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The Fetz Presents with Carl Herman, (7 July 2020)

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	Hmm.
	All right.
	Oh, here we go.
	Very good.
	Okay.
	This is Jim Fetzer, The Conspiracy Guy, welcoming you to the Fetz Presents, where I have in-depth conversations with persons of special interest.
	My guest today, Carl Herman, is a nationally recognized history teacher, But his brilliance far exceeds that subject alone.
	He's also an expert in economic statistics and a host of other issues.
	One of the smartest guys I know on planet Earth.
	I wanted to bring him here to help us sort out what's been going on.
	Now, those of you who are familiar with these shows, Know that if you have any questions, you want to put them in the chat line in caps.
	Put them in the chat line in caps.
	And then toward the end of the program, I'll take a look and see if we find questions there for Carl and me.
	Meanwhile, Carl, welcome to The Fetch Presents.
	Why don't you give us a little thumbnail sketch about Carl Herman and where you came from and how you wound up here, my friend.
	I've been a public teacher for 36 years now.
	I'm Ashland board certified in government economics and history.
	I'm also credentialed in mathematics.
	I have degrees from Berkeley and Harvard.
	The key thing that I participated in that really gives me a launching place to have a voice is that for 18 years, I helped grow the political citizens lobby results, which started in California and Southern California.
	I brought it to Northern California as a UC Berkeley student.
	We expanded into 100 communities, seven countries.
	We were key players for the largest meeting of heads of state in world history at the time, the 1990 World Summit for Children.
	And then we were the key voice for the 1997 Microcredit Summit.
	Microcredit, small loans to the poorest of the poor.
	And the founder, Dr. Muhammad Yunus, he was recognized in 2006 with the Nobel Peace Prize for that.
	With 18 years of working with the leadership, For both political parties, we discovered that the world still exists in a neocolonial empire.
	The developed countries have no interest in ending poverty.
	They have a deep commitment to continuing poverty, to force those human resources to extract the most amount of profit of natural resources.
	I've since have published work through the Claremont Colleges in economics, part of which we'll talk about today.
	And as well, I authored a white paper with 200 footnotes that was circulated among interested members of Congress when Congressman Kucinich was working to impeach Bush and Cheney.
	And I regarded Dennis Kucinich at the time as the smartest member of Congress.
	Of course, therefore, they had to take him out, in his case by redistricting, so he wound up no longer having a seat.
	If you were here, I'm looking at a photograph that was taken when Dennis Kucinich came to the Duluth campus at the University of Minnesota when I was on the faculty there, and he came up into the audience.
	And a radio show host who featured me was not far behind in the next row, and he took a picture of me looking up at Dennis Kucinich.
	It's just a wonderful photograph, Carl.
	It's over here in my library.
	Maybe I'll have to pull it over and share it.
	But I was a huge fan of Dennis, and it seems time after time that the best members of Congress somehow are forced out, maneuvered out, replaced, especially if they don't sign the pledge.
	Cynthia McKinney revealed, you know, now well over a decade that new members of Congress are asked to sign a pledge to put the interests of Israel ahead of those of the United States, and if they decline, they find themselves confronted with a well-financed alternative candidate, or that their district's been redrawn and they no longer have a seat,
	A friend of mine on the new JFK Show, Gary King, asked me, and this was a couple of years ago, did I know how many members of the then-President of Congress had refused to sign the pledge?
	And I admitted I did not know, and he put up one finger and one hand.
	One finger, one hand, Carl!
	You don't think that could be part of the problem with governance in the U.S., do you?
	Yeah, and hence the enormity of the task and that perhaps we should trust the plan, not necessarily the plan of Q, but the plan of an enormous, bigger than people's capacity to imagine, to take down the Deep State, if in fact that is happening.
	And that the trust that we really need to exhibit and to put faith in is whatever design this is that we're in allows such a impressively robust evil That the work to take it down would be significant.
	Yeah, you must tell us your big picture take on everything going on.
	I mean, the efforts to take out Trump have been ongoing and horrific.
	We had Russiagate, then we had Ukrainegate, we had the impeachment, then we have the COVID, then we even have Chinagate because John Bolton was claiming China was trying to get Trump elected.
	And then we have Antifa, the riots, the looting, all of which appears to be stage managed.
	I mean, it's absolutely horrific.
	And nevertheless, this guy, Donald Trump, has stood tall.
	He gave what I regarded as a magnificent speech at Mount Rushmore on Friday.
	It was uplifting, it was unifying, it was inspiring.
	He introduced the idea of a statuary garden for American heroes, and yet the New York Times described it as dark and divisive, when it was precisely the opposite.
	I'm sorry to say, the Times, which I believe remains our nation's newspaper of record, meaning that what you read In the New York Times, it's supposed to be our nation's official history, has wandered far off of the reservation of responsible journalism and turned into a propaganda rag.
	In fact, I have for years referred to it as the Langley Newsletter because the influence of the CIA is so vast upon everything it reports.
	Yeah, I got a story about the New York Times.
	So 30 years ago, When we were promoting the 1990 World Summit for Children.
	And this was something that we had worked on for a decade, really.
	And that was so much work, Jim, to put together a meeting for heads of state at the UN.
	And we had all of the data to end poverty is on the side that we should end poverty, including The director of the CIA issuing a memorandum that if you wanted to end global terrorism, the number one correlative statistic to tackle is to end poverty.
	The amount of the investment would be a total of about $100 billion over 10 years, so it's a drop in the bucket.
	And it reduces infant birth rates in every historical case.
	All the data is for ending poverty and all the leaders, including Bush Senior, pre-agreed to back those.
	Of course, you know, they reneged on all promises, public and private, as did the Clintons when they campaigned for the presidency and we met with them.
	But the New York Times, so leading up to the World Summit for Children, we could not get corporate media to even report on it.
	We couldn't get President Bush to accept his invitation.
	I had to personally issue a threat to him that we would unleash 200 newspapers in the US, their letters to the editor with the White House phone numbers and just explain for the last month, the president of the United States hasn't even responded to the invitation to save a million children's lives every month.
	So the New York Times wouldn't cover it.
	And finally they did on the last day of the summit, but they buried the story in the back of the paper, behind corrections, behind the comics, behind editorials.
	And obituaries, no doubt.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And all they did was they lied in the title.
	They lied in the article.
	They said, oh, you know, people are complaining about how much this meeting costs to put together and the traffic, you know, all this total bullshit report.
	And then, you know, they dropped it, the story and never reported on it again.
	Unbelievable, Carl.
	You've been certainly doing your part to promote these efforts.
	I mean, look, $100 billion, as you say, is a drop in the bucket.
	That's pocket change.
	$100 billion.
	It's still about 10 years, the total amount.
	Yeah, a trillion bucks.
	It can be, you know, my position as a generalist, really, is that we have all the technical solutions for this planet to be a really nice place.
	And what you're describing and what we're seeing and the viewers are seeing is this flowering of the weed of evil to make it clear for, apparently, this final choice, this final exam.
	Well, Carl, I really want to get your take on the current state of the world, especially right here in the USA, with your historian's perspective.
	I'm very keen to have it.
	We did get a projection, by the way, from the one student who actually predicted that with 87% confidence that Donald Trump would beat Hillary Clinton, When the rest of the world was saying that she was so far out in the lead and the situation was so staggering that Trump voters might as well stay home, he has now offered a new assessment, namely that Trump
	Has a 91% expectation of winning the 2020 election.
	And Carl, he bases this on cycles in American elections.
	It's very, very interesting, but the guy seems to really have his head screwed on straight, because that's certainly overwhelmingly closer to the facts of the matter, particularly when the Democrats appear to be going all out to destroy the U.S.
	economy.
	I mean, it's completely shocking.
	I learned yesterday, Carl, that Black Lives Matter is roughly a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.
	And if you go to Black Lives Matter and seek to make a donation, it goes to Act of Blue, which is a Democratic Party big fundraising site.
	And it's distributed to people like Beto O'Rourke or, you know, you name it, Amy Okobuchar or Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren, on and on and on.
	In other words, Black Lives Matter is a Democratic money laundering operation and also, I think, is intended to keep the black vote on the side of the Democratic Party, which I may or may not have already mentioned.
	In fact, a recent poll has shown As many as 40% of Black likely voters are inclined to support Trump, and for all the good reasons.
	Namely, as the economy was surging, it was actually having the effect of raising all votes.
	The lowest wages were rising at the highest rate.
	This was true of both Blacks and Latinos.
	And by Trump controlling migration at the border, they were able to sustain and improve their quality of life because they weren't losing their jobs to immigrants who were willing to take them for even lower wages and fewer benefits, which had been the case on and on and on again, where the Democrats had been so enthusiastic about immigration Because they were allowing those people to vote, and they were voting Democratic.
	Just that, Jerry Brown, back in 2014, passed a motor voter law in California that when you obtain your driver's license, you are automatically registered to vote, which sounds horrific, until you learn that in California, illegal immigrants were allowed to obtain driver's licenses and thereby allowed to vote.
	I mean, it was part of the scandal.
	And now, as you're undoubtedly aware, there's this effort to create a compact among the states that they're going to cast their electors for the party that wins a popular vote.
	They're trying to, you know, use California to run up the tally and get to such a massive number of votes that no Republican could have a reasonable prospect.
	And the fact that it undermines the Constitution.
	I mean, Carl, I think those who promote this idea of the popular vote, all apparently motivated because they felt Hillary deserved to be president, when I can guarantee you 100%, and anyone who has watched my Pizzagate presentation will understand, She's a moral monstrosity.
	She's a monster.
	She's a repulsive person.
	I don't think she even deserves to be qualified as a human being.
	She is inhumane.
	And, you know, the idea that she should have been the Democratic candidate for President of the United States is mind-boggling.
	When you look into her history and the sordid activities in which she, Huma Abedin, and their Allies and cohorts in the pedo-gay arena have been involved and complicit.
	It is a disgrace.
	So the Electoral College has the effect of forcing candidates to give attention to all the states.
	Rather than, if it were merely a matter of popular vote, just focusing on the largest states.
	I mean, after all, if it were just popular vote, all the campaigning would go on in New York, in California, in Texas, in Florida, Illinois.
	You know, I mean, your assessment, I surmise, would be similar to mine, that the founding fathers knew what they were doing.
	And the idea of these, you know, these very shallow political figures who are trying to grasp after power should sabotage the Constitution because, not because they know better, actually, they clearly do not know better.
	Their interest simply doesn't lie with the nation, with a country, or with a constitution, but with political power.
	Yeah, the original idea, as best as I can understand the Electoral College, was to avoid these popular figures like military generals being pushed into positions of power.
	So then you would get local people discussing and they would choose an elector.
	They would pick the brightest person to go ahead and check it out.
	To check, to have somebody in the community you trusted Go check out the candidates and then cast votes so that you had this check on people's uninformed opinion being responsible for a vote.
	Carl, I want you to elaborate on whatever threads you think are most important.
	What should the American people understand about the situation we're in today?
	From your perspective as a student of history, economics, mathematics, you're a very qualified guy to be making these assessments unlike say most of the talking heads on the tube who have scripts and who really frankly more frequently assert claims that are clearly demonstrably false rather than close approximations even to truth.
	You are a figure of a completely different character and therefore I believe our audience would welcome your assessment of what's going on today.
	How did we get here, and how do you think it's going to play out?
	Awesome.
	I'm ready.
	Shall I share the screen?
	You may, yeah.
	You may share the screen, Carl, if you'd like.
	Okay.
	You're going to have to... Oh, you're right.
	I'm going to have to give you the permission.
	Go right ahead, my friend.
	All right.
	Step one, allow Zoom.
	Open system preferences, security and privacy.
	All right.
	No, I think you just hit share screen and you're okay.
	Yeah, I gotta be able to record to the new screen too.
	to get it's cool.
	Later, allow the apps flow to record the contents of your screen. .
	Carl, you can't just do a screen share direct on Zoom.
	Let's see.
	It's giving me choices of desktop one and then open system preferences, security and privacy to grant access.
	I've already granted you access as host.
	You should be able to just click the green Share screen at the bottom of your screen there and you know if you've got open the slides you want to present.
	Okay.
	Says it's not going to do it unless I quit Zoom US app now or do it on your own later.
	Well, Carl, I'd say then just use it as a guide if you have access.
	Go ahead and lay out the stories even without the images.
	Just lay it out verbally if that works for you.
	Yeah, I can do it.
	It's always better with visuals, but I can do it this way.
	So everything that I'm going to tell you is on my blog, carlbisboyherman.blogspot.com.
	And as a historian, and as we kind of set the context for this, There is already a provable case of corporate media literally covering up the crimes of an ongoing rogue state empire.
	The wars are lie started.
	The wars are illegal.
	And what we're seeing now with the acceleration of these events, and you touched on them, And I'm just going to read here from this list and you provided on Russiagate, the crime list impeachment, Obamagate now, this pandemic, Ms.
	Maxwell's arrest.
	Now, all of this is.
	Impressive political theater, and I'm going to emphasize that this is just political theater until we have the arrests.
	The biggest context is that the American general public are not awake.
	We're at a precipice of, while I believe that we're on the Beginnings of this victory.
	And that Q, we can demonstrate that Q is a white hat insider through the coordination of language and timing with Trump tweets.
	And Q promised that there would be a drip, drip, drip of disclosure and then a flood.
	That's exactly what we're seeing.
	Q also said that we wouldn't like it because the people have to see the evil for themselves.
	And that certainly is what we're witnessing.
	Now on the downside, is that this would be an unprecedented humanity, a victory for humanity, and all we've experienced to date are black hat psyops.
	That said, I don't think Q is a black hat psyop.
	The disclosure of the truth, I think, is too risky, and they're not just too lazy for it.
	I think that what you move towards with their just being lazy, Evil monsters.
	And the easiest path is what they would do.
	That said, we are at risk of Civil War 2.0 if we don't get arrest soon.
	The riots are escalating.
	Although we can't believe anything that corporate media tells us, we are seeing more heavily armed rioters.
	So that is a concern.
	Oh, I certainly agree.
	And it's outrageous.
	I mean, you have these... I mean, it turns out that Antifa and the Black Lives Matter are, as it were, the paramilitary arm of the Democratic Party.
	And when you see the events they're pulling off, they created chaos in Portland now.
	And you have a very large... Oh, there you go, Carl.
	Way to go.
	There you have it.
	There you go.
	Very good.
	Okay, why don't you go ahead and pick it up right there, Carl.
	Go right ahead.
	All right.
	This makes it easier.
	Okay, so these are just my talking points, and then I'm going to lead you through some of the articles to be able to show people, and then the benefit of this recording is that they can go back and go ahead and look at all this stuff.
	So people really do have a choice and in all kinds of different philosophical considerations and part of my favorite is the transformation of a caterpillar into a butterfly.
	And if you think about the experience of being a caterpillar, is that you just engorge yourself into this monstrously fat, immobile type of being that just hangs themselves up and literally goes through a type of death to be reborn.
	So the idea that it's going to get really, really bad and as dark as before the light, that just may be the way that we face these transformations.
	If you would consider you were the witness of water boiling into steam, you would be horrified at the state change.
	And yet, we're in this type of state change.
	With this particular article, As professional academics, you and I, we are professionally confident that if we say something is historically accurate, we are willing to engage, we are willing to debate, we are willing to be corrected.
	We are ethical scholars.
	There are two documentaries with the arrest of Ms.
	Maxwell, that if people want to be able to see the evidence of this pedophilia and the deeper, darker aspects of it to the child trafficking and the adrenochrome.
	Have you seen Fall Cabal, Jim?
	No, I have not seen it, but I'm intrigued.
	Okay.
	It's in 10 parts.
	It's two and a half hours.
	Uh, Out of Shadows is also that 77 minutes.
	Have you seen that one?
	No, I've not, but you tell us all about it.
	Okay.
	So Out of Shadows is a Hollywood insider who just goes through and just says what he saw through the adrenochrome and the parties and the dark aspects of it.
	And, uh, Falk Cabal just walks people through a lot of what you're seeing with the and the WikiLeaks emails of like saying we're going to have some kids in the pool for further entertainment.
	Their ages are seven, nine and eleven.
	Why would leading Democrats?
	I think this was Podesta.
	Why would they say that little kids in a pool are going to be for entertainment?
	You have emails talking about President Obama bringing in sixty five thousand dollars worth of hot dogs and pizza, which is terms for little boys and little girls to bring them into the White House.
	So this is wide out into the open and we'll see what happens with the arrest of Maxwell.
	out.
	Part of the background of what Americans have been through and the whole world has been through is these ongoing illegal wars of aggression that are all started on lies.
	You and I have had maybe, I don't know, about a dozen conversations.
	I'm not keeping track, but we discussed that in detail.
	And I think that, you know, as a teacher of history and as a teacher of captive high school students is that they are totally able to get this.
	I have not had any student who has been able to say or any parent who's been able to say that, you know, Mr. Herman, this just can't be true.
	The only thing we get is silence or I have taught college level AP courses in U.S.
	government and macroeconomics, I got permanently banned from the AP U.S. government listserv, the discussion among the teachers, about 2,000 teachers, for raising the evidence that the ongoing U.S. wars violate two treaties after each of the world for raising the evidence that the ongoing U.S. wars violate two treaties after each of the world wars and that they were begun with lies known
	Even though I had it completely documented, even though I had written that white paper that was circulated among members of Congress, the College Board just banned me.
	And they literally said, the legality of the wars is not an appropriate topic for a college-level U.S.
	government course, Jim.
	You're kidding me, Carl!
	How could it not be?
	What could be more appropriate?
	I mean, that's just astonishing!
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	It's crazy.
	I just got off a one-month suspension.
	That was a long time ago with the Obama administration.
	I just got off a one-month suspension among the AP Economics teachers, and that was for the stimulus package And a fellow AP teacher had asked an open question.
	I said, hey, how are we going to pay for this?
	And really all I do, because I can't post directly because I get openly attacked, but he asked and I answered.
	I said, hey, the Federal Reserve has just been nationalized.
	Here's the documentation of it.
	And the Fed is just going to create debt free money, which, by the way, could pay the national debt off completely.
	And that got me banned for a month.
	It's crazy.
	In order to quantify some of the damages of and to understand why we have this ongoing Rogue State Empire, it really is to loot the world.
	These are just rapists in an economic sense as well.
	This was documentation that I had been looking for, you know, forever.
	And, you know, there's only so many things you can look for.
	But to quantify what has been the economic value of this colonization, and this was from a couple of years ago, and an Indian economist, and This person came up with a total of about $45 trillion dollars looted from India over 173 colonial years.
	And what I needed to do was to make that number make sense, which I try to do right here.
	$45 trillion, that's about $260 billion And that's about 10% of the modern UK GDP.
	So that would mean that if we had a similar figure for the US, that we would be getting a benefit of about $1.9 trillion a year, about half of our federal budget.
	So in order to understand the motivation for colonialism, to be able to take their resources directly and then pay the people whatever close to slave wages you can, that the value of that Translated to U.S.
	would be about half the federal budget.
	One of the key ongoing things that is available as an absolute immediate solution is to economic reform.
	So we've talked about this too.
	Public banking.
	Over half of the states now, Jim, in their state legislative branches are openly considering public banking.
	Did you know that?
	No, no, no.
	- No, that's fascinating. - Including California.
	You know, of course, nothing is really accelerating with that, but it's in the background, and this might be yet another area of entire breakthrough.
	The benefit of that, to quickly explain, to hopefully motivate people to look into this and that there's nothing, literally nothing more valuable for people to understand, If you have a, for example, a state-owned bank in the Bay Area, we upgraded our Bay Bridge going from the East Bay where I live into San Francisco.
	And we were told that that was, if I remember correctly, $6 billion.
	That was financed through debt securities.
	When you sell the debt securities, this 30-year cost of paying the Wall Street experts to manage that for you, and then paying the for-profit interest rate for that, typically doubles the cost of the bond.
	So you'd have to pay $12 billion back instead of $6.
	If you were the bank, then you can issue yourself the credit directly.
	So as an economics teacher, we all teach that the power of creating credit is a legal authority given to the banks.
	They don't lend people anything.
	They don't lend other people's money.
	They create credit out of nothing.
	Exactly, exactly.
	You'd save 50% of the nominal cost.
	roughly the double expense.
	You have it a whole lot closer to what it actually costs instead of this massive pile on fees for processing an interest.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	You'd save 50% of the nominal cost.
	There's one state that has its own bank, North Dakota, and that's the only state out of 50 that has increasing budget surpluses rather than the threats of austerity that every other state is getting.
	So the idea that we have solutions is very important.
	And We need to know that those who are watching the show are going to have an important role.
	All the pain, all the attacks that you're getting from family members and friends.
	And my personal experience after being a civic activist for 43 years now, beginning at age 17, to really be committed to having command over the facts of ending poverty and then through economics and then all the stuff that I write about now.
	Even though you and I, And anybody engaged become more competent with the facts and our ability to present them.
	My own personal experience now is that this causes more and more avoidance of colleagues and family members and friends.
	So I think that this friction, the heat is getting hotter and hotter, Jim.
	And the ordinary people who haven't woken up yet to the empire are Well, it would be fascinating if other states adopted the North Dakota model, because it makes a huge difference in the lives of the residents of North Dakota.
	They are overwhelmingly better off, and the state, as you observed, is a more vibrant and robust economic entity, and it would have immeasurable benefits if other states were to adopt that model.
	Yeah, yeah, if we quantify the benefits, it's literally worth about $1 million per average household.
	It erases the national debt.
	And I guess I didn't mention the other reform, which is basically called monetary reform.
	The scam that we have is creating what we use for money as a debt owed back to privately owned banks.
	And the Federal Reserve is neither federal nor do they have any reserve.
	That name is intentionally obfuscating that it is a consortium of private banks.
	And monetary reform is just being able to create what we use for money directly as a positive number to invest in infrastructure.
	We could have full employment, the best infrastructure we can imagine.
	And one of the principal areas in economics to emphasize is that when you invest in infrastructure, Hard like a bridge or a hospital or soft like teachers or health care providers.
	Investments in infrastructure return greater economic benefit than the cost of the investment.
	That's why we make those investments.
	You get triple benefits.
	You get the best infrastructure you can imagine.
	You get up to full employment and you get falling prices in the long term.
	So There are always when with these talks that we give and all of our colleagues, Jim, it's this paradox of it's at the same time worse than you can imagine, more horrible than you can imagine.
	And at the same time, it is better than you can imagine.
	And everyone watching this show has an important role to play, no matter what plays out in this strange opera, this space opera that we're in.
	I wanted to take a look at this article here, because as a professional historian, I'm less and less motivated to do the work to document the tragic comic lies.
	But, you know, from time to time, I just have to.
	This is all of the stuff that went on with Russiagate and Obamagate and the lies that they were caught in.
	So part of what I want to emphasize, Jim, is as a historian, and I'd be interested in your take on this, I have never seen such official disclosure through Congress of the deep state's lies and crimes.
	This is really unprecedented.
	Can you think of any time similar?
	Well, I think you'd have to go back to the Pentagon Papers, for example, Carl, to find something comparable, or perhaps to Snowden's revelations or WikiLeaks, where Julian Assange
	has done such a great benefit to the United States by revealing so many secrets that, in particular, in this case, the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, John Podesta, his brother Tony, and so forth, would have preferred the public never know.
	But it all occurred in that case because of the sexting complaint against Anthony Weiner, the Democratic congressman from New York, who was then the husband of Huma Abedin, when they took possession of his laptop to verify secure evidence of his having sent photographs of his private parts unsolicited to young girls and so forth.
	They discovered a veritable archive of activities that were so sordid and disgusting that it caused grown men to cry.
	But I think those are the only parallels that come to mind, for me at least, on this occasion.
	Yeah, part of the great news, and to take heart in, is that there are, you know, about 100 hammers that, if the White Hats exist, they have overwhelming ability to put the deep state down.
	And that Q has said, enjoy the show.
	It's kind of a horror show, and it's a taste I have yet to acquire to enjoy it.
	But it is quite an impressive show, Jim.
	So since we do have time, Let's catch people up because corporate media is never going to remind people of the damning evidence.
	So you had Clacker, the director of the National Intelligence.
	I never saw any direct and periodical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting conspiring with Russia to meddle with the election.
	Okay.
	So to remind people, all these people had to say under oath that all of the Russiagate stuff that they had alleged had no factual basis.
	That is a lie.
	And that corporate media, what, you think that they somehow forgot to ask?
	What is the verification of this evidence?
	What is the factual basis to make this claim?
	So this is just an orchestrated, exactly as the president has described it, and I think not without some tongue-in-cheek, for a witch hunt.
	Because these people are, by all evidence that you're pointing to with these WikiLeaks disclosures and fall cabal and out of shadows, that they are Satanists.
	And even though you and I may make fun of it, it's what they believe.
	Oh, it's no laughing matter, Carl.
	It's so deadly serious.
	I mean...
	They are sexually abusing, torturing, and murdering children in abundance.
	It's just horrific and difficult, I think, for most normal Americans to wrap their minds around it.
	That's part of the resistance to looking at it seriously is that it is so despicable and repulsive in character.
	Yeah, I haven't wanted to do it.
	I can't even recall the number of missing children in the U.S.
	every year.
	Oh, it's a large number and sad to say a lot of them are being targeted by these pedophiles.
	And there's also an incredible number of people who just go missing in national parks.
	And what that is about is this human trafficking is ridiculous.
	So anyway, we do have this amazing breakthrough of people able to, to be able to recognize how deeply they've been played and how deep the evil is.
	This goes back to the attempt to impeach the president.
	I mean, this was for a non-crime and the witnesses reporting hearsay.
	You did have Jonathan Turley, who thank God stood up and reported as a professional lawyer who has argued in front of the Supreme Court.
	And Professor Turley used to have the top legal rated blog to be able to say that this is ridiculous.
	That this is an attempted impeachment over a non-crime.
	Americans are also witnessing the zombie DNC party promoting this demented war criminal, quid pro quo, child groping, hair sniffing, gun grabbing, pathological liar, plagiarist Biden, with Sanders rolling over on command again to push this guy as a candidate, despite his senility and his immorality.
	So.
	You know, it's crazy the contrast and what I see is, like it or not, life is presenting this opera for people to be able to choose a side, which is basically, do you want to back these psychopaths or will you be a patriot and stand up for the U.S.
	Constitution, the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and basic rule of law?
	In context, as you and I had talked about, in the current political environment, anybody who stands up to the deep state is at risk of being assassinated.
	For those in the audience who do not know, the King family civil trial proved this with overwhelming evidence that the United States government planned and then executed Dr. King.
	And this was all the evidence was brought out from the family's work.
	Coretta spent more than twice the number of years married to Martin to bring this evidence to trial.
	And it was Martin's friend and attorney, Dr. William Pepper, who is still alive and still in his early 80s now, who did that work.
	So, you know...
	This is crazy how deep and dark and long standing this history is.
	And our really our only hope is that if Q is true, to be able to have some authoritative voice.
	Jim, I don't think that we're going to have the capacity to win, given my experience of colleagues, family and friends, that they need to be told that this is true.
	Otherwise, they're going to continue to dance around it and defend their own torturers in a Stockholm Syndrome.
	What do you see for that?
	Well, the problem is, of course, that the CIA began infiltrating the media back in the 1950s, so that by 1975, William Colby, then its director, testified to Congress that the agency owned everyone of any significance testified to Congress that the agency owned everyone of any significance in the media, and it's only become much worse ever since,
	I mean, the Founding Fathers never imagined that what they referred to as the Fourth Estate could be corrupted rather than play the role of scrutinizing government actions and officials in order to keep them honest and provide an accurate accounting as to what's going on.
	I mean, it's reached the point where I think Will Rogers observed that you're better off not reading the paper at all than reading and believing because then at least your head is not full of claims that are false.
	I think that's more true today than ever before in history.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you being one of the principal leaders to be able to research and to point out the lies and the crime and the assassination of President Kennedy and his brother.
	The evil of these people go on to... Have you seen the interview with John Lohr, a retired firefighter?
	No, no.
	Tell us about it, Carl.
	That sounds fascinating.
	All right.
	Well, the Northern California fires that PG&E admitted criminal liability to is that John Lord, along with another retired fire captain, they say that they never saw anything like it and they were there when it happened.
	And their interview presents evidence that the chemtrails dried out the The plants and the trees.
	And then these are microwave bursts.
	And the evidence for the microwaves is the trees burning from the inside out.
	straight lines that where you see the fire damage.
	So there is, if people don't take a stand, they are going to be continued to be tortured, abused, killed, and culled.
	So it really is a life or death choice that people are facing.
	This is a very important test for people to be paying attention to.
	Well, what I found so astonishing about those fires is that you'd have a house completely destroyed, reduced to ashes in every element, but it would be surrounded by evergreen that weren't even singed.
	I mean, it was just astounding.
	Yeah.
	Let me see if I can get any pictures of this here.
	So this guy took extensive photographic photographs in order to make this case Of what burned and what didn't burn in his expert testimony.
	And yeah, there was, you know, one house would be completely looked like it was blown up.
	I presume that the smart meters had something to do with it, though I don't know if that emerged during the PG&E Acceptance of responsibility, but it was most certainly bizarre.
	These were not naturally occurring events.
	No, and that's what he as an expert and somebody who trains firefighters concluded as well.
	I think it would be helpful to take a look and To be able to explain to people how the orders they're receiving to wear a mask or to stay inside or that you're non-essential when your business has to be closed because you're non-essential, that that's illegal.
	Yeah, they're unconstitutional, you're right.
	Judge Napolitano is very good about explaining how the federal government can't mandate because the federal government doesn't have responsibility for health care, that that is a function of the states, but even the state can't be actually direct, that you have to take certain precautions unless it's on the state property.
	I'm therefore a bit baffled that we've just had a mandate here in Madison, Wisconsin that you have to wear a mask out in public.
	In Dane County.
	I mean, I am just baffled by this.
	It will be the front page story in the Wisconsin State Journal tomorrow, Carl.
	But I'm 100% convinced that there's no constitutional or legal authority for these measures, and yet they're being adopted by many states.
	Which are being played by the increase in the coronavirus cases, not understanding the fallacy of ambiguity involved there because while they're getting more positive tests for having the coronavirus, That doesn't mean the individuals who have the virus or have any symptoms or are sick and where the actual number of deaths has been dropping dramatically.
	So we have a larger number who have the virus.
	The drop in the deaths means that the risk of death is shrinking enormously.
	And it's one of these cases where the mainstream and, alas, the Democratic Party are playing the American people out of their scientific illiteracy and statistical incompetence.
	It's just stunning.
	They're promoting these cases of coronavirus and the actual test explicitly says that, well, this might also mean that you just had the flu sometime at your life and that you're testing positive from a previous bout of the flu.
	Well, and here in California, the governor recently, and this was reported on corporate media, that he ordered 19 California counties closures, and he literally did it via Twitter and Facebook.
	And then corporate media went ahead and reported this.
	So here's Newsome wearing a mask for the cameras.
	Yeah, what is the legal justification for his making those orders, issuing those directives, Carl?
	Here you have governors have zero authority for non-emergency orders.
	Yes, tell us.
	Okay, so in California code, the governor is empowered to declare an emergency, but really this is in the case of local authority is inadequate to cope with the emergency.
	So this makes sense, and this is exactly what we were told at the beginning, that whole thing of flatten the curve so that our hospitals aren't overrun.
	So people were willing to go ahead and give the governor the benefit of the doubt.
	So the state of emergency means that it's extreme peril for the safety of persons and property and an epidemic.
	And the governor said, all right, so I'm saying that under that authority, I'm making this proclamation of a state of emergency.
	And then they issued From the California Department of Public Health, these guidance and guidelines, which gives it away.
	And they, this recent one, they use the word mandate.
	And a mandate means they're just handing it over.
	So the California Department of Public Health, here's their paper, and it just says guidance.
	So they're guiding you.
	Okay.
	Which makes it non-obligatory.
	You don't actually have to follow it.
	It's like they're giving advice.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And one of the key people who have been helping with this is Peggy Hall.
	And I gotta give her some credit.
	So let me look at this first thing.
	That I did so I can properly, uh, acknowledge her.
	Here it is.
	The Healthy American.
	And this is Peggy Hall and she is somebody who works at UC Irvine.
	She was, uh, somebody who trained teachers there, I believe.
	And she walks people through this.
	So.
	It's guidance.
	They have no authority to do this.
	But they're wreaking great damage on the local establishments.
	I mean, businesses are being shut down, and many of them will not be able to survive.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I think that if I had to bet what's happening is that Q is true, and that they're dragging this out in order to show the American public the evil of our opponents— And our opponents know that they're done and they're at the mercy of the White Hats who are going to go ahead and arrest them.
	And they're just doing what they do.
	One of the key statistics was the CDC admitting that the total number of deaths from COVID only was just 7% of the deaths.
	COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
	And then for all other deaths, there's on average two and a half additional comorbidities, causes of death.
	Yeah, they're mapping this on top of the normal mortality rate so that it's a very tiny percentage of additional deaths that are being caused by COVID, but they're calling them all COVID deaths, which is why you get these staggering numbers of increases in cases and so forth.
	It's a gross manipulation of the statistics.
	Yeah, this is providing exactly what the response that you would hope would happen is that more and more health professionals, nurses and doctors are speaking out and saying that they reject this, that they recognize these lies as authorities in the health community.
	This is, oh, here's Peggy Hall.
	This is a violation of federal law.
	And this is title 18, section 242, color of law.
	And that is illegal.
	You cannot say that you have legal authority when you don't.
	But until we get some leadership and some arrests of these perpetrators, I don't think the American public are going to wake up on their own.
	Carl, I think that's really important because you have massive suits under that very statute, under that article of deprivation of rights under color of law, that this is all fatuous, has no warrant, scientifically unjustified.
	But they're playing a game on models that were fabricated and designed to instill fear into the American people.
	In fact, this whole business is fear-driven, leading the American public to be highly non-rational, non-responsive to reason.
	It's just almost like a religious conversion.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and that really is the status of it.
	And that the human beings just can't, on their own, pull themselves out of this.
	They're going to have to be told.
	We need to have some sort of breakthrough from military leadership or through Q, through the White House.
	Otherwise, I don't think they can be woken up.
	At least I know through the 43 years of my personal efforts, I have been insufficient to the task.
	Well, you've at least been making an effort, I mean, for crying out loud, Carl.
	You've been speaking up about these issues in as wide a range of forums as you can find.
	Yeah, that's all that we can do.
	And, you know, as a math teacher, I am encouraged by what Buckminster Fuller also encouraged himself from through these inventions before their time, is that in an exponential growth curve, you have a lot of work with really almost no visible progress for a long time, until you get to this state change breakthrough where everything pretty much happens all at once.
	And if you consider historical, yes, go ahead.
	No, I was just going to say this looks pretty damn interesting with Amazing Polly explaining how four legal elements that torture our president, state and local governments, official restrictions for our safety.
	To win, involve at least two persons, torturer and victim.
	The victim is under physical control of the torture, social distancing, mandated masking, police power, penal system, too.
	Infliction of acute pain and suffering, including mental, psychological pain and suffering, economic, fear and death, propaganda, social isolation.
	Three, there's implicit in the torture that the torturer wants the victim to submit.
	The torture wants to break the victim to destroy his humanity and will.
	Governors and counties, illegal orders, largest economic attack in U.S.
	history with tremendous pain to force submission to orders and to receive stimulus for it.
	The torture is a systematic activity with a rational purpose.
	Go back up.
	I'd like to see a little bit of amazing Polly, if you could show.
	I've not actually seen her before, though I've heard a lot about her.
	Yeah, same thing.
	I had never listened to her.
	and war criminal Biden on the Democrats.
	Go back up.
	I'd like to see a few, a little bit of amazing poly if you could show.
	I've not actually seen her before though I've heard a lot about her. - Yeah, same thing.
	I had never listened to her, but here we go. - In this video, I wanna ask the audience a question.
	It's a serious question, and I'll go through the evidence of why I'm asking it in a minute.
	The question is this.
	Does the handling of this virus amount to torture?
	On the face of it, it might seem like a ridiculous question, and I can already hear the objections to it, but I'm going to take you through evidence from An Amnesty International report from 1975 where they took a deep look at torture, what constitutes it, what it does to people, and what methods actual torturers have used in this thing called no touch torture.
	It's psychological torture.
	It's mental torture.
	And by the end of this, I hope that you will see that the question doesn't have an easy answer.
	In fact, I think You will come to the conclusion that yes, indeed, the responses to this coronavirus in many regions of the world do in fact amount to torture.
	I'm going to also talk about why they would want to do this very briefly at the end.
	And after I'm finished presenting this material, I'm also going to include responses from the general public to a question that I put out to them.
	Which was, what do you feel you have been forced to do during this pandemic that you would otherwise not do?
	All right, let's not waste any more time.
	Let's begin by looking at excerpts from this 1975 MSD International Report on Torture.
	I want to take you to page 34.
	And by the way, what she's talking about are typical legal elements of torture.
	So I want to ensure people that this is not somehow bizarre.
	This is typical.
	These four elements that she walks through.
	Oh, I love this.
	I'm very glad we're getting this included here.
	Carl, please continue.
	Four elements of torture.
	They say that at least two persons must be involved.
	the torturer and a victim or victims, and that the victim is under the physical control of the torturer.
	They move to the second element, which is the basic one of the infliction of acute pain and suffering.
	They specify in this paragraph that definitions that would limit torture to physical assaults on the body exclude mental and psychological torture, which undeniably causes acute pain and suffering.
	So they say those two elements must be incorporated in any definition.
	The third element of torture identified in the Amnesty International Report on Torture says that the intention of the torturer must be to make the victim submit, to break his will, and destroy his humanity.
	And finally they say, torture implies a systematic activity with a rational purpose.
	It says, the unwitting and thus accidental infliction of pain is not torture.
	Torture is the deliberate infliction of pain and it cannot occur without the specific intent of the torturer.
	Inherent in this element of purpose are the goals or motives for employing torture.
	And while torture can be used for a variety of purposes, it is most generally used to obtain confessions or information, for punishment, And for the intimidation of the victim and third persons.
	The first two motives relate directly to the victim, while the purpose of intimidation, in wide use today as a political weapon, is intended to be a deterrent to others, as well as the victim.
	So in those four elements, we see where Amnesty International defines the boundaries.
	And they finally come up with a concrete definition that they use for the remainder of their report, and it is this.
	The definition of torture adopted here is, torture is the systematic and deliberate infliction of acute pain in any form by one person on another or on a third person in order to accomplish the purpose of the former against the will of the latter.
	TLDR, they want to force people to do something.
	Amnesty International describes a little bit about how this mechanism works when they talk about torture as a stress.
	In physical torture, of course, one of the big things that they do is they bind people into very uncomfortable body positions.
	We've seen this over and over.
	And that is body stress.
	That's physical stress.
	But torture can be a mental stress, too.
	In this section, Amnesty International describes torture as stress, and they go through acute, short-lived, shock-response type stress, subacute, medium-term, Stress, which produces anxiety response, but allows the victim to maintain morale and personal integrity.
	And then through to the chronic response to stress, which is longstanding, and it includes depression, suicidal ideation, dissociation, derealization, regression, becoming accident prone, a loss of will to live, and possibly suicide.
	This is the stage the torturers want people to get to.
	They want to move everybody through the shock.
	Let's say when you first get taken prisoner.
	Now, this is all about POWs, remember.
	But we can apply this more widely, and that's what I'm going to do shortly.
	So their experiences of acute stress might be the initial capture.
	And then the subacute stress is when they're first, they don't know what's going on and they're first being interrogated and maybe left hungry and maybe left sleeping in terrible conditions and this sort of thing.
	But in that condition, the soldier still believes in the mission.
	He still believes that he can get out of there.
	He still believes he can cope with the torture that they're putting him through.
	And then if it goes on long enough, they move to this chronic stress phase, which as you Results in more devastating results and this can all be done without ever touching the prisoner.
	An interesting side note here before we move on to more specifics in this general area of torture.
	Dino just said this is a wonderful preliminary to my guest on Thursday who will be talking about targeted individuals and the use of directed energy weapons Which obviously have a physical dimension, but also a psychological.
	So all of this is really tying together in a very powerful way.
	And I think that they actually consulted social psychologists in planning all these attacks on the American way of life.
	I mean, I have no doubt at this point whatsoever that what we're confronting here is A manifestation of cultural Marxism in an attempt to destroy the identity of the United States, one element of which, of course, is the destruction of icons, of statues that are reflective of our history, of our accomplishments, of our struggles, of where we have been,
	In an effort, basically, to obliterate the past so they can, out of chaos, create a new order, a socialistic or a communistic authoritarian system.
	Honest to God, Carl, in all my life I would never have imagined the United States would reach this point in my lifetime, or that of any other, for that matter.
	She does go on and, you know... Well, I'm on your timeline.
	If you think it would be valuable, let's watch a little more Amazing Polly.
	I'm happy with that.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'll just give her the punchline, is that what she says in her analysis...
	Is that they want regression.
	They want to keep pummeling us and torturing us until we live up and regress back to this childlike state and to be dictated to.
	The destructions of the statues, all of this is about obliterating factual reality and then just to accept being dictated to, being herded.
	Let's go on.
	More responses and desires.
	But they also say giving up could take other forms.
	In their study of soldiers who were POWs for a longer period of time, they say men became susceptible to illnesses like bronchopneumonia, asthma, bronchitis, coronary disease, TB, and cancer.
	Look how many of those, though, are bronchial.
	And what would a bronchial stress response look like today in the paradigm they've created?
	They would make you a suspect of having COVID, wouldn't they?
	Would they say bronchial pneumonia, asthma, and bronchitis.
	So you're super stressed.
	You develop bronchial symptoms and you go to the doctor and they're going to lump you in with the COVID people, thereby increasing your stress and putting you into their system more deeply.
	Nobody wants to be involved in this contact tracing thing or be forced to be intubated or be separated from their loved ones.
	Nobody wants that.
	So it's an evil genius of this type of torture that I say we're under right now, that our stress responses themselves are used against us.
	Amnesty International goes on to describe how people are manipulated.
	And how they resist.
	And they say it is the transition from the subacute to the chronic stress response that the torturer seeks to orchestrate, initially by systematically weakening the subject.
	This forms part of the classic pattern of manipulation described by the post-Korean War research of a guy called Biderman.
	Biderman was instrumental in debunking the myth that Chinese had used mysterious or magical means to brainwash the Allied prisoners of war.
	He found out that they just used this psychological manipulation technique which is now called DDD, dependency, debility, and dread.
	The coercive technique for psychological torture induced dependency, debility, and dread.
	So let's look at that.
	Now keep in mind, they're looking at this from an interrogator point of view, so they say questioners here, but you can replace it with Let me just jump in here.
	torturers.
	First part, debility, physical weakness.
	For centuries, questioners have employed various methods of inducing physical...
	Let me just jump in here.
	Sure.
	So this has been the greatest economic attack in American history for people to be told they're non-essential and to lose their businesses, to lose their livelihood, and to be in fear and this dread, to be dependent upon the government and in to be dependent upon the government and in dread of becoming homeless through this whole thing.
	I I don't have any good data yet on the quantification of the economic loss from these policies.
	Are you aware of any of that, Jim?
	Oh, it's going to be in the trillions upon trillions, Carl.
	It's going to be the most devastating economic blow in our history.
	Yeah, I'd love to get my hands on some of that data.
	And much of it has been a transfer of wealth because Banks and big corporations have been buying up property at bargain basement prices and the big companies are in essence running the little companies out of business or should I say the fake pandemic is being used as an instrument To enhance the strength of the big corporations at the expense of the little companies.
	Turns out that there are like 5.7 million companies in the US, 90% of which have 20 employees or less, 75% of which couldn't sustain no income for a month and it's now been several.
	So we can anticipate You're going to have the emergence and survival of these monsters working in collusion with the state.
	So it's actually a form of fascism that's being promoted and implemented by means of a manufactured medical emergency, which actually is nothing of the kind, but where they're being very, very clever in how they play the public, such as over the ambiguity of the meaning of the word case.
	I mean, it's just.
	Astonishing!
	Yeah, we're being treated like peons and that is the name of the game, is to reduce our independence and create exactly this DDD, this dependency to debilitate us economically, physically, telling us we can't go to the beach, we shouldn't stay outside, and for you to have to wear a mask.
	It's insulting beyond belief and I greatly appreciate this discussion of torture because it's forcing you to be subservient to dictates you would prefer not to follow and you know with threats.
	I mean I think this is very very important that all of us should understand.
	Prolonged constraint, prolonged exertion, extremes of heat, cold, or moisture, and deprivation of sleep.
	The assumption is that lowering the subject's physiological resistance will lower his psychological capacity for resistance.
	They say here, however, there's been no scientific investigation of this assumption.
	That is absolutely not true.
	They go on.
	Many psychologists consider the threat of inducing debility to be more effective than debility itself.
	Prolonged constraint or exertion, sustained deprivation of food or sleep, often become patterns to which the subject adjusts and then he becomes apathetic, withdrawing into himself in search of escape from the discomfort or tension.
	In this case, stability would be counterproductive.
	And what they mean there, of course, is that if you're trying to get your victim to take some action or answer some question, rendering him incapacitated is counterproductive to your particular mission.
	So it really depends on what your mission is, whether or not debility would work for you.
	Another coercive technique is to manipulate the subject's environment to disrupt patterns, not to create them, such as arranging meals and sleep should be granted irregularly, in more than abundance or in less than adequacy.
	No discernible time pattern.
	This is done to disorient the subject and destroy his capacity to resist.
	As you're listening, I hope you're reflecting this on our current situation.
	Nobody can deny that that is what's happened with lockdown, with mask wearing, with social distancing.
	Once stability is achieved, they can induce a dependency back onto the torturer.
	The victim is helplessly dependent upon the torturer for the satisfaction of all basic needs.
	Seems obvious how that applies to our current situation.
	And finally, once the chronic stress phase is reached, the victim goes into a sense of dread, intense fear, and anxiety.
	Sustained long enough, a strong fear of anything vague or unknown induces regression.
	A word of caution, they say.
	If the debility, dependency, dread state is unduly prolonged, the subject may sink into a defensive apathy from which it is hard to arouse him.
	If you are a torturer in search of answers and information from your subject, you don't want him to regress totally into basically, you know, going to the fetal position and just give up on life, because you need things from him.
	I argue that in our current situation, with the coronavirus torture, What they want from their victims, all of us, is basically for us to regress to a childlike state.
	Because the only thing they want from us is for us to blindly obey them.
	They don't need answers from us.
	They need exactly nothing from us.
	They just want to control us completely.
	They want us to vote Democrats.
	They want us to vote a certain way.
	It's appalling, Carl.
	I mean, this is so blatant.
	I think this is a wonderful dissection of the social psychology of the phenomenon that we're up against.
	Believe me, this is being driven by political considerations that are not being explicitly addressed, but which are the underlying subtext without which we can't really begin to appreciate the situation we're in.
	Yeah, and the appreciation of the situation, of the contrast, the polarization, Yeah, yeah.
	what we're witnessing.
	And it really is as simple as good or evil, patriotism or psychopathy, freedom or torture.
	Carl, we can continue with you.
	I'm very glad we had this encounter with amazing Bali.
	I'm very favorably impressed.
	Continue.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I do reflect upon what Gandhi and Dr. King, their methods.
	And Gandhi was trained as a lawyer.
	And I just want to read this quote, or if you want to read it, for what he said regarding trying to get freedom in South Africa back in 1903 or 1903.
	You want me to read it, or you want to go for it?
	One thing we have endeavored to observe most scrupulously, namely, never to depart from the strictest facts, and in dealing with the difficult questions that have arisen during the year, We hope that we have used the utmost moderation possible under the circumstances.
	Our duty is very simple and plain.
	We want to serve the community, and in our own humble way, to serve the empire.
	We believe in the righteousness of the cause, which it is our privilege to espouse.
	We have an abiding faith in the mercy of the Almighty God, and we have a firm faith in the British Constitution.
	That being said, so, we should fail in our duty if we wrote anything with a view to hurt Facts we would always place before our readers, whether they are palatable or not, and it is by placing them constantly before the public in their nakedness that the misunderstanding between the two communities in South Africa can be removed.
	I really like that quote because I can really feel what a lot of the activists resonate with.
	I mean, we're not trying to be rude, but we're not going to lie.
	We're not going to accept a lie.
	And Gandhi characterizes it that he had faith in his own government, the British ruling in South Africa and in India.
	And he felt that it was just a misunderstanding.
	And here you have a two-minute message from Martin Luther King.
	He would say we just can't cooperate with them because they're evil.
	They're alluding and lying to us.
	And here you have a two-minute message from Martin Luther King.
	I think that would be super to play, Carl, if you like.
	It would be.
	It would be.
	This is from a speech a year to the day before he was assassinated.
	The last year of his life, he took on ending the Vietnam War.
	In the King family civil trial, the family and Bill Pepper, Dr. Pepper,
	Their conclusion as to the motive of the United States government to assassinate Martin is that where he was assassinated was his last stop before organizing what he hoped would be a million-person march upon Washington, D.C., the Poor People's Campaign, and then to camp out to occupy Washington, D.C., until the monies used for the Vietnam War were redirected to end poverty within the United States.
	Our leaders certainly couldn't have that.
	So that's, they had to go ahead and assassinate him.
	And part of the benefit of King's sacrifice, of the Kennedy sacrifice and so many others, is that these are among our strongest cases to be able to demonstrate the criminality and the existence of the deep state.
	So this is two minutes from that speech put into a context of our current wars.
	Time comes when silence is betrayal.
	That time has come for us, even when pressed by the demands of inner truth.
	Men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war.
	And I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today, my own government.
	What do they think as we test out our latest weapons on them?
	Just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new torches in the concentration camps of Europe, now there is little left to build on save bitterness.
	We are met by a deep but understandable mistrust.
	To speak for them is to explain this lack of confidence in Western words, and especially their distrust of American intentions now.
	The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve.
	This way of settling differences is not just.
	A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.
	Somehow this madness must cease.
	We must stop now.
	I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation.
	The great initiative in this war is ours.
	The initiative to stop it must be ours.
	You know, Carl, thinking about some words you offered here just before we watched this was very suggestive to me of some of the agenda of the extreme left today, but where I am reminded, you know, of the words of John F. Kennedy when he observed that those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
	What we're actually witnessing here today, I think, with the extreme left of the Democratic Party is a revolutionary attempt to dismantle the system, to destroy capitalism.
	Ilhan Omar was making that point today in a very talk that I caught on national television
	Earlier today about destroying capitalism and having a society in which the motive of profits was no longer applicable and it occurred to me that they are using threats of violence and the actual performance of violent acts such as looting and riots and arson and even murder
	As a club to bring about changes that ought properly to be handled through the political process by referenda, for example, by votes within a society, whether it's a city or a county or a state.
	I mean, the emplacement of statues, for example, and monuments went through an arduous process A democratic process.
	They were financed typically by taxpayers, but also often by other parties.
	They are not the property of Antifa or Black Lives Matter, which are nevertheless destroying them largely with impunity heretofore, sad to say, though I'm very glad to see that various communities are now responding to hold those who are performing these illegal acts responsible for what they have done, but where it's becoming increasingly apparent that this is the divide,
	that the average American believes in the mechanisms that the average American believes in the mechanisms of reform, which include, of course, periodic elections, the recall petitions, other ways of gaining a redress of grievance from the government, whether it's at the local, state, or federal level, whether it's
	Whereas these, the Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and their allies, principally in the Democratic Party, are just going full-blown in a bulldozer-like style to accomplish their goals regardless of the requirements of the law or democratic process.
	We really are encountering here, I think in a very clear and dramatic way, the difference between Reform is an element of a constitutional, republican, democratic process.
	And revolution, the exercise of violence to achieve your goals, where they're even making it manifest that if we do not do what they demand, they will burn us down.
	Now, I don't believe they could succeed.
	We have in excess of a hundred million armed Americans who wouldn't tolerate this kind of nonsense, but they nevertheless can wreak a tremendous amount of damage.
	And I'm even rowing extremely apprehensive that, well, we are being distracted by all these acts of violence and so forth, that events are taking place behind the scene that may be even more ominous Because one of the objectives here has been to transfer from actual cash money to a digital currency.
	Stu Webb, with whom I do intermittent reports, where he's a well-known federal whistleblower, informed me earlier today that he had been to two dollar stores and that both of them had a sign at the cash register saying they no longer had any coins, that they couldn't give any change, reporting that the Federal Reserve had instructed them to put up these signs and that they'd been notified that paper money is no longer going to be available even later this reporting that the Federal Reserve had instructed them to put up these
	And everything will be done digitally.
	This is a banker's wet dream, of course, because doing everything digitally, they can keep track of every action we ever perform, whether it's buy a candy bar, a shotgun, go to a movie, but more ominously, they can cut us off.
	It appears to me to be part and parcel of a social credit system or a merit system such as is employed in China.
	Well, if you don't conform in the fashion that is desired by the authorities, they can punish you.
	In this case, if all of our financial transactions are digital, anytime we reach a certain point of being objectionable to the deep state, they can simply cut us off.
	I'm apprehensive that this may be an even greater threat than the riots and looting we've observed.
	On such a widespread basis already heretofore.
	Yeah, you hit upon a couple of great and essential points.
	One is, and I like, part of why I like and believe that Q is true.
	Why don't you go to your image?
	Stop sharing here so we can see you, Carl, better.
	Just stop.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	All right.
	Or maybe... Maybe let me see, Carl.
	I can regain host.
	Okay.
	But you need to stop share.
	I gotta find where that button is.
	Should be right in the middle at the bottom.
	I'm getting...
	Sorry about that.
	That's all right.
	That's all right.
	Let me see.
	Exit full screen.
	I want to get us there.
	Yes, Carl continues.
	Yeah, good, good, good.
	Yeah.
	Okay, good, good.
	That's where I wanted us to be.
	Yeah, go ahead, Carl.
	Pick up where you're talking.
	I was, you know, this digital currency, you know, social merit system, mechanisms of control.
	I mean, I'm just flabbergasted that this should be happening so fast.
	I have no doubt what Stu Webb is reporting is true.
	Coming from dollar stores, how appropriate because they deal in sales that are very modest in amount and that they're being cut off by the Federal Reserve from having access to coins.
	That's just stunning.
	And in my opinion, highly ominous.
	Yeah.
	Well, in the rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and Antifa, and part of what Q has been hammering on is this idea of psychological projection.
	So what they're going to say is they say that they're reacting in response to the violence of that staged death of George Floyd that you guys have picked apart on the Real Deal report, which I highly recommend to all of our listeners that I watch and share daily.
	So they say that, oh, violence, and we need to demonstrate against that to stop it.
	When they enact exactly what they say that they are against, they are the ones who are violent.
	They say that they want to end capitalism because somehow it amasses enormous profit.
	Well, they're the ones amassing the enormous profits in the tens of trillions of dollars.
	And it's important that people understand the endgame that we're talking about.
	Is no less than exactly what this torture program is about is our dependency and our status as subjects, not as free and independent people, but as a human resource to maximize our utility to want to be masters and that people have a choice and, uh, whatever life has in plan for this whole scenario, whatever there is for God, whatever there is
	for this being a program is that, uh, this robust evil is playing out in front of us for us to be able to see.
	And the polarization of the difference is, you know, I keep getting as shocked as you are was like, how much longer can this go on?
	Well, apparently it's going to be going on longer because people have yet to clearly make a choice.
	In your observation, Jim, with family and friends and colleagues, it seems to me that What I observe is most of them are just becoming more defensive and less willing to engage in these conversations.
	That's my subjective opinion of what I'm seeing.
	What are you seeing?
	Oh, I think you're completely right, Carl.
	It's, you know, and I think the more I've pondered it, it's more got to do with the overwhelming mass of propaganda you're getting in the newspapers, you're getting in magazines, you're getting from all the channels, you're getting from most of the cable channels.
	Fox is the only real exception.
	Tucker Carlson is extremely good.
	Laura Ingraham is very good.
	Sean Hannity is pretty good.
	The advantage with Sean is he intermittently has the president on and he actually gets to hear his thoughts directly from the president himself.
	Now my respect for Donald Trump has simply grown enormously.
	No president in the history of this nation has ever been besieged with so many diverse efforts to take him out from so many directions with such overwhelming force.
	And if he can navigate us through this morass, if we can survive intact to thrive and flourish once again, Dan, although it's been conjectured only in a hypothetical fashion, this guy really would deserve to join George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt on Mount Rushmore.
	I mean, you know, that's obviously purely hypothetical, but it's to make the point that he will have achieved A monumental feat in navigating through these treacherous shoals where, frankly, I mean, they're pulling out all the stops.
	And I think there are a whole mass of reasons why they're doing this.
	In many cases, it's really to save their own posteriors.
	You know, as Hillary said after she had this town hall with Matt Lauer and she was asked one question.
	She hadn't known in advance about her emails, and she blew up.
	And Donna Brazile, who was supposed to have managed the whole thing, was at the receiving end, and she was just unleashing on Donna Brazile.
	And she added by asserting, if he's elected, we will all hang.
	And she meant that literally.
	Literally.
	That this was a man who was coming in who was uncontaminated by past experience in government, that he wasn't under their control, that they didn't have the goods on him, they couldn't manage him, that he actually would want to perform something he would refer to as drain the swamp.
	And Carl, it's got to happen.
	It's got to happen now.
	We've been very patient waiting for this to occur.
	You've made many references to Q. I've been mildly skeptical, but I would like to believe there are many reasons to think that what Q has been telling us could very well be true, but we need to see the results.
	We need those indictments.
	We need to see These terrible players who are vicious and corrupt as they come, who have committed grotesque criminal acts, be locked up.
	When they were talking about Hillary and her cheers at Trump rallies, lock her up.
	There was good reason for that, which anyone who has watched my presentation on Pizzagate knows very well, more than they would like.
	To know, because as I pointed out, you know, this is very disturbing stuff.
	I wish I never had to report it.
	But the fact of the matter is Trump has been right again and again and again.
	It's just astonishing how often he has been pilloried and lampooned in the press when in fact he was correct.
	He was right about Obama not being born in the U.S., wasn't eligible to be president of the United States.
	He was right about Ted Cruz's father, Raphael, being on the fringe of the JFK assassination.
	He is right again, again, and again, and he's never given the least credit.
	It's part of this onslaught of propaganda, the likes of which the world has never before seen.
	Frankly, in my wildest dreams, I could never imagine this kind of constellation or array of forces set against a A duly elected President of the United States.
	And by the way, Carl, I just want to say for our audience, those in the chat room, if you have any questions for Carl or me, put them there in the chat in caps so I can take a look and share them with Carl.
	We can be responsive.
	I'm very glad you're here.
	And what we're talking about is extraordinarily serious.
	So if you have questions for Carl and me, just put them in the chat.
	I've got the chat available here at my side.
	Put them in caps so they'll stand out.
	But Carl, I'd welcome your response to what I've just characterized as a situation as I see it.
	Unbelievably desperate for the sake of the nation.
	Absolutely serious, you're correct.
	And if people consider that a lot of the patriots have become impatient, and there really isn't any choice other than to express ourselves into this storm as best we can, and to accept the limitations of our self-expression.
	If you think of the enormity of the task, if you really wanted to take on the deep state, given the existence of the CIA control, the capacity to assassinate President Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and hundreds of others around the world, the total domination of corporate media and public education, and our own anecdotal experience of attempting to communicate to friends and family,
	And having the exact opposite effect, that the more we speak, the less that we are considered to be rational with this.
	It's a huge undertaking, and it might just be exactly what Q has promised, that this evil must be shown.
	There is a chance, of course, that this is just another PSYOP and that the, the, if I put on my black hat and think about how Q could be a black hat PSYOP, it might just be that they're just telling us the truth to get enough patriots and then to spark a Civil War 2.0 through the staged or real assassination of Trump and or Obama to destroy America.
	But I think that's too much work for our Black Hat opponents.
	I think that they're fundamentally lazy parasites.
	I don't think that they would go through this.
	So I do have hope, and I'm with you too, is that I'm ready to win this thing.
	But what are we going to do except...
	Carl, I've seen just enough signs to encourage me to believe that Q may in fact be spot on.
	We didn't have the ship Mercy that actually sailed in a configuration that looked like a Q.
	We've had other manifestations, you know, where cues appear where you would not have anticipated something shaped like a cue would appear.
	I think that the man really is dedicated to the best interests of the United States.
	And while Nancy Pelosi's and others actually project by suggesting he's put his own self-interest ahead of that of the nation, it's clear that claim was refuted.
	When he gave up his greatest strengths heading into the election, namely the surging economy and the soaring stock market, when he was convinced by Anthony, Tony the Rat Fauci, and Deborah Birx that the Neil Ferguson model that projected as many as 2.2 million Americans would die, as well as 500,000 Brits if the economy were not shut down, He shut down the economy.
	That was a self-sacrificing act.
	That was altruistic.
	That was to benefit the American people.
	Now, he himself was being played.
	I believe today he understands that it was all really a psyop against him.
	And it even appears that there are dimensions to this that have remained unexplored to this day.
	For example, Just before you and I came on the air together, we learned that Ghislaine Maxwell, who of course was the procurer for Jeffrey Epstein, who was running this very elaborate Mossad operation,
	To obtain compromising photographs and videos of American political elites and others engaged in activity that would be profoundly embarrassing in order to blackmail them to benefit Israel.
	It turns out that her sister is married to Anthony Fuschi.
	So it turns out to be a very small world, Carl.
	And disturbingly, there are many indications that Israel really not only is not but never was the friend and ally of the United States.
	In fact, if you go back to around 2000, Bibi Netanyahu said in Hebrew, That we are going to destroy the United States, we're going to suck it dry, and then we're going to dismantle it, which is what we do with nations that we hate, in spite of the fact that the United States has been overwhelmingly generous to Israel.
	Where Donald Trump has made any number of moves that I personally deplored, but were clearly beneficial to the political prospects of Israel, not only declaring Jerusalem to be its capital, which was a matter that had to be settled by an international agreement with the Palestinians, that the Golan Heights, where we have a vast
	A natural gas deposit discovered belongs to Israel when for the rest of the world it's simply Israeli-occupied Syrian territory that he really went to the extent of defunding the International Refugee Organization that assisted Palestinians in distress and
	My executive order redefined anti-Semitism to include criticism of the actions and policies of the government of Israel, which is far removed from its legitimate definition, as discriminating against a person on the basis of their religious orientation or ethnic legacy.
	All those counts I have seriously faulted Donald Trump.
	On the other hand, I say there is no one in the position to salvage the nation and its future prospect than this man.
	And if the Democrats think they can convince the country by destroying the economy that it should be held against Trump, the outcome is going to be precisely the opposite.
	Because the American people will perceive that in this time of the necessity to rebuild our economy, there's no man in the world better qualified than the man who brought us the greatest powerful economic engine in the history of the world and the most soaring stock market, Donald Trump.
	We need you.
	Your time is now.
	We do need leadership to step up.
	That's true.
	And to quote Dr. King from that speech is that it does require a maturity of Americans.
	They're going to have to discern the difference between good and evil.
	And one of the aspects of Q as well is talking about that this is biblical.
	And the whole idea of knowing the difference between good and evil raises a whole cosmic question that that also may be an evolutionary part of this design and a grand test.
	But the American people are certainly seeing on stage an unprecedented show.
	And perhaps allowing Fauci to take the stage in order and keeping him on stage instead of bringing in the...
	Real experts to refute this ridiculous show of the pandemic and the masks and the lockdown.
	He's kept Fauci on stage.
	Now this breaking news of Maxwell's sister married to Fauci, the photographs certainly look like it.
	And if this is true, this could play out.
	And the bigger they are for Fauci, the harder they fall.
	And I hope that's true.
	Well, it's become obvious that the Democratic Party has sold its soul to the devil.
	It's the most astonishing development, Carl.
	I actually voted for Bill Clinton twice.
	I voted for Barack Obama twice.
	But when it came to Hillary versus the Donald, it was a no brainer for me because I knew of the vast corruption of the Clinton Foundation, their drug dealing out of Mena, Arkansas.
	Bill's predilection to sexually abuse women.
	He wasn't just a womanizer.
	He actually was a rapist.
	And of course, we find this history that Clinton body count has exceeded 200 at this point in time.
	They dispose of their enemies and they're not very subtle about it.
	So I just say, you know, Hillary Clinton, how a major political party could nominate a woman of her degree of corruption?
	To be their candidate is beyond belief.
	That was certainly an inappropriate thing to do, but where she has, you know, acquired so much power.
	I mean, remember this whole idea of the Russia hoax was introduced by John Bodessa and Robbie Mook, who were Hillary's campaign managers after her defeat.
	To obfuscate that they had run an incompetent campaign.
	Even Michael Moore, the darling of the left, was predicting that Hillary would lose because she was neglecting the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
	Throw in Ohio too if you want, which is exactly how it played out.
	Where they wanted to obfuscate Hillary's own entanglements with Russia, where she sold off 20% of the U.S.
	uranium reserve to Russia for a $145 million donation to the Clinton Foundation.
	Which, incidentally, required the approval of then-President Barack Obama in where they sought to distract attention from the Pizzagate revelations that were being published by Julian Assange, which included that revelation that he'd spent $65,000 of American taxpayer money to fly hot dogs and pizza from Chicago to the White House for a private party.
	And I say, and I've asked this question before, if Julius and Ethel Rosenberg receive the electric chair for sharing the atomic secrets with then-Soviet Union, what do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama deserve for selling off 20% of U.S.
	uranium reserves to Russia?
	This is a staggering crime, a major form of treason, Carl, and the American people have yet to put two plus two together.
	Which, by the way, apologists for Antifa and Black Lives Matter tell us, 2 plus 2 equaling 4 is just a white man's indulgence, and so it could be otherwise.
	I mean, this is just incredible, the lengths to which they're going here, Carl.
	It is mind-boggling.
	And it gives me hope and cue, because a whole predication of that is that, you know, as I think that the easiest in road and that the most logical response of opposition would be the US military, who are the men and women who were chewed up in these wars, and having a military coup plan, and then instead taking the option to recruit Trump.
	And then it might be that Trump was offered a deal that he couldn't refuse.
	That, you know, if I had to bet, I don't think that Trump is clean.
	He's gotta be dirty with sex and money.
	And it might be that he was offered a deal.
	Look, you do what we tell you, and work with the White Hats, lead this great victory, and we'll overlook this.
	Well, let me just say a couple of things.
	When Trump was first told about the phony Russian dossier, which the DNC and Hillary Clinton paid to have manufactured by Christopher Steele, he said it was absurd.
	He said, among other things, I'm germophobic.
	You know, he wouldn't hire prostitutes to pee on a bed.
	He's germophobic.
	I believe he's germophobic.
	He was a wealthy guy.
	He was a playboy.
	He was dating the most beautiful women.
	He had them schmoozing.
	He didn't have any necessity to resort to any, you know, prostitutes or hookers or any nonsense like that.
	I believe he discovered what was going on.
	Jeffrey Epstein visited him and had photographs of them taken together, but was Epstein visiting Trump rather than Trump visiting Epstein?
	I think it was just one more part of his very elaborate political relations.
	I actually do not think That Trump was complicit in the kinds of acts that have been so devastating here involving these underage girls and so forth and the sexual abuse and even satanic rituals.
	I do not believe that is true of Donald Trump.
	And I do believe that he was horrified to discover what in fact was going on in that, therefore, Hillary was petrified at the prospect.
	They didn't have the goods on Trump.
	If they could have controlled Trump, Carl, they wouldn't have worried about it.
	It's because they can't control Trump because he's led basically a decent life.
	And by the way, the guy is anything but a racist.
	I mean, he was very successful dealing with people of all races as a builder and contractor in New York City.
	He also appeared to be a 9-11 truther.
	He was interviewed, you know, virtually the day after the event.
	By a local New York station, and explained how the same builders who had erected the Twin Towers, built the World Trade Center, were now working for him, that there was no way that planes could have caused those buildings to collapse, and that something else had to be involved.
	He even used the word bombs.
	And by that he meant, of course, massive sources of explosive force, and he was 100% correct.
	So I'm still holding out, perhaps during the second term, that he may go forward there.
	He did release quite a lot of JFK documentation, not all, but the very fact that he was held up from releasing it all, which was clearly his disposition on grounds of national security, of course, raises the obvious complaint to wit If the official story of the assassination of three lucky shots by a disgruntled former Marine were true, there is no national security aspect to the case.
	So any withholding of evidence about the JFK case and its investigation on grounds of national security Implicates the government in the crime where it played a key role.
	Now, one of the commentators here in the chat room denies that Foushee's, that Gaswell's sister was married to Foushee.
	But the source I have substantiates it and looks to be authentic, but I'm certainly willing to come back to review the issue.
	I don't want to tell our chat room member that he's necessarily wrong, because we know that all of these findings are tentative and fallible and subject to revision with the acquisition of additional evidence, as I emphasize when I explain the nature of scientific reasoning.
	We're doing our best to piece these things together.
	It would not surprise me.
	And then you have, as another member of the chat room observes, this niece of Trump, Mary Trump, publishing a book.
	I think the chat has it right.
	This is a desperate final attempt to nail Trump.
	I think it looks faintly ridiculous.
	The American people have been lied to so many times about this guy, this president.
	I don't think they're easily going to be swayed, and I most certainly do not believe any of these latest efforts are going to make the least difference to his prospect for re-election, which I believe is going to be massive.
	They're going to try the mail-in ballots, because that way they can flood the system.
	It's a clear effort.
	They're going to call on Google, which is going to provide them with at least 16 million votes they wouldn't otherwise have, as Robert Epstein, who is the editor of Psychology Today, testified to Congress now about two years ago in relation to the election, where they're sending out selective vote reminders to parties that they already knew were going to vote Democratic.
	And this happened indeed.
	You know, Joe Biden, after 32 years in politics and three presidential campaigns, had not won a single primary or a single caucus until South Carolina.
	You got Jim Clyburn coming out and endorsing it and then Google does its thing and all of a sudden he has a huge Huge victory.
	He wasn't going to beat Bernie Sanders, or at least if he did, by only a small margin.
	But then he got these overwhelming victories.
	Well, it has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
	It has to do with manipulating the vote behind the scenes, at which Google has excelled.
	And we have to have a complete Reconstruction of the social media, Carl.
	They have to be brought into reign.
	The idea they were exempt from liability was because they were going to perform the function of being a neutral platform on the order of a library, where they took responsibility for the contents of none of the books, but made them equally available to everyone, where we had a golden age of about 15 years.
	Carl, I can't thank you enough for coming on.
	could survive and thrive and you'd have access.
	You used to go on for any subject.
	You just find tons of stuff on both sides of the issue.
	And as much critical of the government as supportive today, that is no longer true.
	The media has compromised itself in the forms of censorship or simply limitless, it would appear.
	Carl, I can't thank you enough for coming on.
	You're certainly welcome to take a few last opportunities here to say some words of summing up your views.
	I'm just so pleased to have you here.
	Well, it's great talking to you, Jim.
	I do consider you as one of the re-founders of America and a leading scholar to be able to provide benefit for those in the future wanting to know what happened.
	To close, I am quite hopeful that Q is true.
	My personal experience working with the leaderships of both political parties over 18 years is What we saw in the 2016 election of Hillary being so sloppy and arrogant and not running a campaign at all, but just figuring to steal the election the same way that the election process had been stolen and then running Biden as your candidate.
	These people are sloppy, and I think that they're self-destructing.
	And as we've talked about, I hope it's sooner rather than later.
	That's not in our control.
	The only thing that we do control are our thoughts, our words, and actions.
	And we'll do our best, buddy, and keep going to work for the outcome of freedom and truth and breakthroughs for the American people and the world.
	I've got to say, Carl, as a final parting words, If you're not able to defend yourself, you are not going to be able to count on the police.
	Look how the Democrats are actually trying to get rid of the buffer between criminals and the people.
	That's despicable in and of itself.
	I recommend everyone, if you don't already know how to shoot, learn.
	Go to the effort.
	Find a firearm that suits you, that you feel comfortable with, that has enough stopping power to do you some good in an emergency situation.
	Because today, if you call the police, call 911, it can take them on the average 20 minutes to respond to an emergency.
	In the meanwhile, in the first five or six, the mayhem occurs, which may include your daughter being raped, your wife being murdered, you being mugged.
	If you can't defend yourself, don't count on others.
	We're reaching a state where every one of us have to be able to defend ourselves.
	And I think when the crutch comes down, you're going to find there are over, now well over, 100 million armed Americans who aren't going to let this country go down without a fight.
	And if Black Lives Matter thinks they can parade a group of armed thugs around and make a big impression, well, they are, but it may not Come out the way they would like.
	I'm telling you, sometimes you might get more than you want.
	So if you wish for a physical military violent confrontation with in excess of 100 million armed Americans, if you go far enough, you may just get it.
	But it may not come out the way you'd like.
	I want to thank everyone for being here.
	I want to thank Carl Herman, especially, for being my featured guest tonight.
	I admire him greatly, and I'm very happy to have had this opportunity to meet with him, to share with him his thoughts tonight.
	I am ending the meeting now with everyone, but I'm so pleased you were here, and I just say thanks.
	We'll be back on Thursday where I will have an expert on targeted individuals.
	This is a wonderful person who has led the legal fight against the use of directed energy weapons to harass and torment human beings around the globe.
	You won't want to miss it.

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