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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Raw Deal with my very special guest, return appearance from Rolf Lindbergh from Madison, Wisconsin.
Lindgren, who's an expert on what's been going on with Michael Flynn, the Russia hoax, all the Durham investigations.
I couldn't think of anyone better to address these ongoing issues than Rolf.
Welcome back to The Raw Deal, my friend.
This is Rolf Lindbergh.
Go ahead, Fred.
It looks like the deep state perp walk is getting ready to rumble.
Things are looking good right now.
Michael Flynn had his case dropped.
Now the judge is going to take a look at it.
It could be thrown out on Monday or Tuesday by the judge.
That's sensational, Rolf.
Give us a whole lot of background.
You know so much about all of this.
Tell about All the key players, how it's going to fall out.
It looks as though Michael Flynn has been completely exonerated.
I've even been told he was at a meeting with Donald Trump and the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Saturday, that there's a photograph with Michael Flynn in uniform present on the occasion.
Okay.
I know President Trump has already stated he'd like him back and Mike Pence.
Which might even be more important, supposedly Flynn lied to Mike Pence, but that probably isn't actually true.
Mike Pence said he'd welcome him back.
Now I want to, before we get into this, I want to try to organize things about what I think is going to happen.
Now, one of the things about this Obamagate scandal is that there's so many different people.
I've talked to some people and they kind of get confused.
And, you know, people get confused.
There's a lot of information.
There's way too many people.
that are mentioned here and there, but as far as what's going to happen in the near future, there's six people who are fairly well known to people paying attention, but only one of them is very well known to the general public.
These six people who I think are in grave legal jeopardy are James Comey, the former head of the FBI, Everybody knows who James Comey is.
The second person is John Brennan.
He's the former director of the CIA.
He's probably not known to the average person, though, believe it or not, because the news media doesn't cover him that much, although he is on those cable channels.
I don't know if it's CNN or MSNBC, but by being on those channels, he raises his profile.
I'm on the air right now.
I'll call you.
And then the other four people are Andrew McCabe, who was briefly the head of the FBI and second in command for a longer duration.
Andrew McCabe is also a cable commentator and has a book out.
Just remember, Andrew McCabe is not that well known to the average person.
He's known to some people, but not to the average person.
And then there's Peter Stroke and Lisa Page, the two FBI lovebirds that were having affairs that sent 50,000 text messages while at work, most of them outlining their conspiracy.
And those two, like the New York Times, for example, rarely, rarely mentions Peter Stroke.
So if you're a New York Times reader, And that's all, when you get your news, you wouldn't even know who Peter Stroke is.
Okay?
And the average person does not know who Peter Stroke is, or Lisa Page, for that matter.
Now, there's three other people, those are the six people that are most likely to face legal jeopardy, along with one other person named Kevin Clinesmith, who is an FBI lawyer.
He was the head of the Chief Lawyer of the Miller Investigation, and he altered a document On the third Pfizer warrant, so that's a slam-dunk crime, but he's most likely a cooperating witness in what's going to come, the Deep State perp walk.
Now there's three other people that are linked to these people that everybody knows.
Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Robert Miller.
What I think is going to happen is in the next couple weeks, hopefully before Memorial Day, these things will happen.
Number one, the new Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, will be confirmed.
He's a congressman who's been all over Spygate and now has been nominated and is likely to be confirmed maybe this week.
Once he's in place, then I think they're going to roll out some charges to get things rolling Hopefully before Memorial Day, although it's possible it could be in the summer.
It's hard to know.
These are very, very complicated cases.
The defendants are very, very powerful people, and the defendants have the news media on their side, which makes a huge difference.
That's a big factor.
But I think that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, And Robert Mueller will be implicated in these charges, not charged themselves, but implicated in the crimes.
In other words, they'll be either someone who knowingly let the crimes happen, they might have been involved, but they weren't charged, unindicted, co-conspirator, they might be witnesses to criminal activities, or something to that effect.
One way, one of the things about this prosecution is not just the legal prosecution, it's going to be the media coverage of it.
The media doesn't want to cover anything that favors Trump, except Fox News.
And of course the other alternative media is like conservative talk radio.
So, one of the ways you get people interested in these charges is if the people they've already heard of Are involved.
And those people, of course, are Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Robert Mueller, and of course, James Comey, and maybe to a lesser extent, John Brennan, because he was the head of the CIA.
To my knowledge, there's never been a head of the CIA charged with a crime in the history of the CIA.
Have you ever heard of anything like that before?
No, no, not actually.
I haven't.
Oh, they've committed many vicious crimes, including, of course, Involvement in the assassination of the President of the United States in 1963.
Yes, so I agree with that, but unfortunately they got away with it that time.
But this time they didn't get away with it.
It's the same with the FBI Director James Comey.
James Comey is probably, the other most famous FBI Director is J. Edgar Hoover, who was Very crooked individual, although he did a couple good things here and there.
For the most part, he was a very crooked individual.
He was never, of course, he was never charged with any crime either.
But I don't think that J. Edgar Hoover ever did anything to the extent of what Comey, at least not as elaborate, of criminal activity.
The amount of criminal activity that these people were involved in is just shocking.
I want to talk about a couple New developments that people might not have heard.
You've heard about the insurance policy, right?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Stroke and Page called it an insurance policy that they had.
Stroke and Page are sending these text messages and Lisa Page is saying, Trump isn't going to win, is he?
Trump isn't going to win, is he?
And then Peter Stroke says, well, in case he doesn't win, we've got an insurance policy.
What is the insurance policy?
Those text messages, by the way, were exchanged on August 15th, 2016.
What was going on on August 15th, 2016?
Trump received the official nomination on approximately July 19th, 2016 at the National Convention.
July 19th.
July 31st is when Crossfire Hurricane was opened.
That was the investigation by the FBI into the Trump officials.
So August 15th is only about two weeks later.
What is the insurance policy?
The insurance policy is Michael Flynn.
Did you know that?
No, that's fascinating.
I did not know that.
Yeah.
The next day, After they sent the text message about the insurance policy, the FBI opened an investigation against Michael Flynn.
Did you know that?
And they called it Hurricane Razor Hurricane.
A razor hurricane.
Razor hurricane.
Yeah.
And then the next day, on the 17th, Michael Flynn was at a press conference, and the FBI actually sent agents to watch Michael Flynn and assess his mannerisms, especially regarding any mention and the FBI actually sent agents to watch Michael Flynn and assess his mannerisms, especially regarding any mention So they were already doing like a psychological profile.
Okay?
Not to mention they were doing, they were doing their, they have giant computer databases, of course, to do profiles, but they were doing an actual profile By looking at this guy.
So they were already planning on doing something to Michael Flynn.
But Michael Flynn was the insurance policy.
Because remember, they didn't think that Trump was going to win the election in August of 2016.
You see?
They thought that Hillary Clinton was going to win.
So what happened was, they opened this investigation of Michael Flynn and did some psychological profiling and some checking.
They didn't find anything.
They did find out that he had some business dealings in Turkey, and they were looking at things like whether he was violating these... whether they were looking at it this early or not, I don't know, but there's these requirements for what's called the FARA Act, which is a Foreign Agent Reporting Act, and
There's been some discussion of whether Michael Flynn broke that law, but actually, according to what I understand, Michael Flynn was registered to do what he was doing through some other program.
So it would be quite a stretch to charge him under the FARA Act, because he was registered to do it.
And like I said, these are regulatory offenses, so these are things that are already legal.
They're already legal, but you're supposed to have a license to do it.
So it's not the worst thing in the world.
But anyway, so whatever they were checking on Michael Flynn, we know that after Trump won the election, we know that on December 29, 2016, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian ambassador, Kislyak, on the phone.
That's on December 29th, so that's during the transition.
Okay, so now we're thinking about, we're back to the insurance policy.
Think about it, because now Trump won the election, so now we have to invoke the insurance policy, right?
And I want to do a sidebar.
According to what I understand, you probably do not know this, Lisa Page has been called in and testified under oath
about all these text messages okay so she's been asked about what does it mean when POTUS wants to know everything and the White House is running this and all that stuff but one of the and I've looked at the what from what I've seen it's been declassified she seems to answer all the questions honestly never she's telling She's admitting, yeah, that's what we were talking about.
It says, we met in Andy's office.
She said, oh yeah, that's Andrew McCabe's office.
Things like that are in these text messages.
But there was one thing, there was one thing that she, I think she lied about on the text, when she talked about the text messages when she was investigated, and that's the insurance policy.
She never, she didn't tell any investigators, at least not on the public, publicly known, That the insurance policy was Michael Flynn.
She did not.
She never said that.
Now it's possible that she's been pulled back in since the first line of questioning, which is like two or three years ago now.
And maybe it's come clean.
She could be a cooperating witness and she may have come clean on the insurance policy.
But I do know that from what was declassified She never said what the insurance policy was.
Okay?
So, just keep in mind that this insurance policy is an important thing.
I've also seen it debunked in the newspapers like the Washington Post and the New York Times.
They try to debunk the insurance policy and say it doesn't mean anything.
But of course it does mean something.
So getting back to December 29th, During the transition, Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador.
Now here's a couple things you probably don't know.
You know what else happened on December 29th?
Michael Flynn was in the Dominican Republic on vacation, and that was the day that President Obama kicked out the Russian ambassadors.
Remember that?
That was pretty bizarre, and of course, now that we're getting more evidence of how profoundly Barack Obama was involved in all this, you can see it was just one move in creating an elaborate deception.
That's right.
So when we get along here, this could be considered an overt act to further an illegal conspiracy when we're done looking at this.
So Obama kicks out the ambassadors on the 29th of December.
I think they had 48 hours or something to leave.
So what happened?
Of course, Michael Flynn says, oh my God, I better call up the Russian ambassador and talk about it.
So then, because he's out of the country, it's easier to tap, you know, to listen in on the phone call.
We already know they're going to listen in on the phone call anyway.
But remember, Michael Flynn is authorized to do this.
Michael Flynn is a government employee at this time.
Remember, when you're on the transition team, you're an employee of the government.
You're not just a private citizen calling up an ambassador.
You're a government employee.
You're the incoming Director of National Intelligence.
It's perfectly sensible to discuss a few things or touch base with the ambassador and And what did they say in that conversation?
Well, first of all, what we do know is the original report of that phone call is missing.
It's called a 302.
It's a report of what, well actually I'm getting ahead of myself, the report of the FBI interrogation is missing.
So the phone call itself is not missing.
There's a transcript of that phone call which has never been released.
Okay?
Never been released to the public.
But of course, investigator John Durham has the transcript.
Okay, so this is on the 29th.
So think about it.
What was probably going on on that day?
Obama kicked out the ambassadors when Flynn was out of the country on purpose so that Flynn would call the ambassador so they could listen in and then they could use that as a pretext to investigate him, to investigate Flynn.
Over something they knew there was nothing there.
That's on December 29th.
On January 4th, which is only about a week later, is another important date.
This is January 4th, 2017.
That's the day that the FBI manager of the case, Crossfire Razor, wrote up a report that said there's nothing here, there's no derogatory information on Michael Flynn, This phone call, there's nothing on the phone call that's important.
I'm going to close this report.
Okay?
And then, 20 minutes later, Peter Stroke sends a message over to the FBI manager.
I'm not sure who the manager is.
Says, hey, we better keep open this report.
The 7th floor wants to know, wants it open.
The 7th floor is the headquarters floor of the FBI building.
Where James Comey and Andrew McCabe have their offices.
So they don't close Crossfire Razor on January 4th.
And incidentally, it's kind of funny, there's text messages between Page and Stroke where they're kind of saying, we're really stupid, we should have told him ahead of time not to close this.
And 20% of the time when we screw up, it works out anyway.
So they, Peter Stroke, You know, and this is another thing you have to understand.
When you have these, quote, master conspirators, people think of this master conspiracy, the New World Order, or whatever, the Deep State.
These people make mistakes.
Some people think that they're invincible, but they're not.
They make mistakes, they often cover for their mistakes so you don't know about them, but in this case, they made a mistake and covered it and nobody would have known about it had this not opened.
And a good example of someone who was thought to be invincible was Hillary Clinton.
We thought she was going to win the presidency twice, and she didn't win.
So you have to remember that these people are really good at making you think they're invincible when they're not.
They make mistakes.
So on January 4th, this Crossfire Razor investigation into Michael Flynn is kept open.
Okay?
January 5th.
What happens on January 5th?
Oh!
That's the big meeting In the White House!
Okay?
There's a meeting in the White House, and who's there?
Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Sally Yates, James Clapper, James Comey, and John Brennan.
All the big shots, right?
So they have this meeting, and according to new documents, Obama knew about the transcript, And Susan Rice knew about the transcript.
Probably Susan Rice obtained the transcript from the NSA, gave it to Obama, and then Obama, according to this transcript, told Sally Yates.
And then they discussed this transcript.
Okay?
Well, what were they doing on January 5th?
I would propose that that was a meeting planning a conspiracy.
Planning a major conspiracy.
Because what happened on the next day, on January 6th?
On January 6th, James Comey, James Clapper, and John Brennan briefed President Trump on the dossier.
But they briefed him on a bunch of things.
But then when they got to the dossier, before they got to the dossier, Brennan and Clapper left the room and Comey individually briefed Trump on only one portion of the dossier.
However, the pee tape with the hookers in the Moscow Hotel.
So James Comey told Trump about that.
Trump is like, that's not true.
And then James Comey's like, well, we, we just want you to know what, what, what's out there.
Okay.
What does that sound like?
We want to, we just want you to know what's out there.
That sounds like extortion, doesn't it?
Yeah, sure.
Isn't it sort of like when a mobster says, we know where your kids live.
Okay, they didn't know they didn't directly threaten to kill someone.
The mobster didn't, but it's a threat.
Okay, this is an extortion attempt by by Comey, but it's not just by Comey.
It's a it's a conspiracy involving a lot of people to do an extortion attempt.
So then after this briefing occurs, What happens next?
Comey tells James Clapper.
James Clapper calls CNN.
CNN runs a story that says, um, President Trump was briefed on a top secret intelligence report, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
January, that's, that was, that was leaked to CNN.
That's a, that's a crime right there.
Leaking this stuff to CNN.
This is a crime.
It's a standalone crime, but it's also a part of a conspiracy.
An extortion conspiracy or whatever.
Okay, now here's a couple other things you might want to know.
You might want to know, why did they leak it to CNN on January 6th?
Why didn't they do it sooner?
Okay, well the answer is they did.
They leaked the dossier.
And by the way, the dossier was first used in a court proceeding on October 21st.
2016 to get the first FISA warrant on Carter Page.
And remember, FISA warrants have two hop rules, so by getting a warrant on Carter Page, you can effectively spy on almost all of the Trump campaign.
Okay?
So, the dossier had already been leaked to 16 different news agencies prior to January 6, 2017.
Did you know that?
16 different news agencies But none of the news agencies would report on it, probably because they probably have their own legal eagles who said, look, we can't report on this.
We could get sued over something like this, or something like that.
This doesn't look right.
So after leaking it to 16 news agencies, including BuzzFeed, Yahoo News, and Mother Jones, not to mention all the other big names, CNN, You know, New York Times, Washington Post, and 16 of them.
None of them would run.
They kept leaking it to more and more reporters, and still nobody would still run it.
You see?
So then they had to cook up this briefing, and at some point, someone at CNN told Clapper or Comey or whoever was doing the leaking, organizing the leak, said, look, we need a hook.
If you brief the President on the document, we can run a story that the President has been briefed on it.
Okay?
You see how that works?
So that's why they did the briefing on January 6th.
Now, of course, this is... Okay?
But it's my understanding that That Bill Barr and John Durham have undermined this report to determine that it's completely bogus.
What is the report again?
The ICA.
This is the assessment when they said 17 different intelligence agencies have determined that the Russians meddled in our election.
Remember that?
Right.
That reporting is all based on this report to On January 10th, 2017, the declassified version of the report was a joke.
If you remember reading it, I do.
The main evidence they had was that Russia Today TV station was reporting on our election, so therefore they were meddling in the election.
That's pretty stupid, isn't it?
Yes.
That'd be like saying the BBC is meddling in the election because they reported on our election.
Pretty stupid.
Okay.
The declassified version has not been released, although I suspect it will in not too long.
Okay, so all this is to build up the fake story that Trump was colluding with the Russians, and the second part of the story is the Russians meddled in the election.
So there's two different things, and of course we know now that there were two different reasons for this.
One is that once Trump proved that he didn't collude with the Russians, They can fall back and say, well, the Russians still meddled in the election.
And by the way, if you notice, when President Trump talks about meddling in the elections, all kinds of people in the government, including Trump's friends, will say, oh yeah, we know the Russians meddled in the election.
They always meddle.
We know that.
Okay.
But one person who never says that is President Trump.
President Trump never, never says the Russians meddled in the election.
Okay.
And what does that mean?
That means he already knows that they didn't meddle in the election.
And that's going to come out when the deep state per block starts.
So, on January 10th, they have this report that says that the Russians meddled.
Okay?
And then there was a leak to the Washington Post regarding Regarding this as well, and that came out on January 12th, by the way.
So there's a lot of stuff going on with this plot.
It gets very complicated.
Then we have to move forward to January 24th.
Well, what happened on January 24th?
Well, remember, that's four days after President Trump was inaugurated.
inaugurated on January 20th.
January 24th, that's when the FBI went to Michael Flynn's office and so-called interviewed him.
And then this is where supposedly he lied to the FBI, which is not true.
He never did lie to the FBI.
Okay?
Well, what Barr determined was that even if what he had said had been false, it wasn't material to the investigation and therefore would not be a criminally prosecutable crime.
So they're just, you know, there's so much bullshit going on here, Rolf, and Barack Obama's right at the heart of it all.
That's, that's right.
Bill Barr determined that If there was a lie, it wasn't a material lie.
Remember, it's only a lie... It's only illegal to lie to the FBI if it's material to an investigation.
So, like, let's for example, let's say the FBI comes over to your house and says, what did you have for breakfast?
And then you say, well, I had Rice Krispies.
And let's say you really had Corn Flakes.
Okay?
That's probably immaterial to an investigation.
Okay.
Probably immaterial.
So therefore, that wouldn't be a materialized or wouldn't be a crime.
It's even worse if the FBI doesn't have a legal reason to come over to your house and ask you what you have for breakfast.
And that's what we have with Michael Flynn.
With Michael Flynn, we have a case where they didn't have any legal reason to interview him.
And, on top of that, they already knew what he said In the phone call, they already had a transcript of the phone call with the Russian ambassador, so what was the point of asking him questions about what he said if they already had the transcript?
You know?
I mean, they could have went over the transcript with him and said, hey, we got a transcript of your call, what did you mean when you said this?
They could have done that if they were really investigating something, but remember, they weren't investigating anything.
And that's what happened.
And this probably happens a lot.
Believe me, this happens a lot in the federal prosecutions over the years.
It happens to a lot of people who have been railroaded.
But maybe Michael Flynn's case will be an eye-opener to hundreds of other cases and say, wait a minute now.
This isn't the only time they did this.
They did it in this case.
They did it in that case.
There's a lot of cases out there where There's very, very questionable prosecutions.
Martha Stewart, she has a case where she supposedly lied to James Comey.
James Comey was running that case with Martha Stewart.
I don't know if he was the interviewing FBI agent, but it's kind of the same thing.
How do we really know?
I mean, if you hear that the FBI arrested someone for lying, What are you, how are you supposed to react?
You might react by, well, how do I know they really broke the law if the FBI is crooked?
It was so peculiar.
Why were they going after Martha Stewart for crying out loud?
Well, that was something to do with a stock sale or something.
And I think they wanted her to tell, I think they wanted her to tell on someone else and then she wouldn't.
So that's why they, That's why they charged her.
This is all so crude.
This is all so brutal.
This is all so grotesque, Rolf.
Just blatant violations of the law by the agency that's supposed to be our premier law enforcement investigative entity.
Yes.
Yes.
And, of course, they're also doing, in the middle of all the devious stuff they're doing, they're also leaking things to the news media.
Here's something that we just found out recently.
The interview with Flynn was on the 24th of January, but on the 23rd of January, the Washington Post wrote an article from a leak that said, uh, we looked, uh, Michael Flynn had a phone call with the Russians, but nothing, nothing important was said on the phone call.
It was a very innocuous phone call.
Okay?
Well, what happened?
Those guys leaked Somebody in the FBI leaked that to the Washington Post.
They ran the story to put Michael Flynn at ease, and then as soon as that story appeared, then they ambushed him the next day about the phone call.
Michael Flynn had probably read the article in the Post that said, oh, there was nothing on the phone call.
So he was probably thinking, well, there was nothing on the phone call.
So then he'd come in and ask him about the phone call, you see.
So they were trying to, it was a setup.
And even though it was a setup, I don't think anything really happened.
It was illegal.
I mean, and then they took the case and they shelved it and let it sit.
And then it wasn't until the, like sometime in August, I believe when Mike, when Robert Miller got over that, Robert Miller picked up the case again and decided to use the case again.
And what he did is he tried to, what they did is they threatened Michael Flynn with charging his son.
Although, according to information that's been released, it looks like his son didn't commit any crimes anyway.
And it doesn't look like Michael Flynn committed any crimes, as far as his foreign lobbying laws.
They just basically made him think that.
Remember, he had lawyers from this law firm called Covington, who has one of the partners of that law firm is Eric Holder.
So he picked an establishment law firm They thought it would be a strong offer for him, and they obviously sold him out.
You see?
They sold him out.
So... Anyways, that's basically how they set him up, uh, in the early stages of the, uh... Then there were leaks later, then it wasn't very far into the... where there was somehow leaked that Michael Flynn was lied to.
Okay?
Well, that's the part about trying to get him fired.
Okay?
Remember, Michael Flynn only lasted until like February 24th, and then he was fired.
Supposedly he lied to Vice President Pence about something.
Michael Pence may have thought he was lied to at the time.
It's probably clear to Michael Pence now that he was not lied to about anything.
And remember, lying to the Vice President isn't illegal.
So what they did is, the first thing they did is they got rid of him by getting him fired, and later they got him charged.
You see.
But now Mike Pence has said he'd be happy to welcome Michael Flynn back into the administration.
Okay, so Michael Flynn knows what happened.
He was probably never lied to.
So, that's the latest with Michael Flynn.
Now, Michael Flynn's case hopefully will be thrown out by the judge pretty soon, maybe tomorrow.
And there's supposed to be lots more bombshells released.
So, what else do you want me to talk about?
Well, Devin Nunes was just on Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Martiroma and had a pretty devastating interview talking about how much Schiff and the others had concealed relevant information that was exonerating.
We just had a mass of documents released that are showing Trump wasn't engaged in any Russian collusion and that the Democrats with the DOJ and the FBI were conspiring against him.
I mean, the voluminous evidence exonerating Trump and implicating the Democrats is stunning, Rolf.
Yeah, according to my information, Adam Schiff had three primary news sources he leaked to, and they were CNN, Politico, and Washington Post.
And of course, everything that was being leaked to them was not true.
He was just leaking stuff that was either made up, or I don't know, maybe he leaked a sentence here or there.
First of all, if he's leaking any of these transcripts, that's illegal.
So I would like to see these leakers brought to justice.
I would like to know who was leaking.
A lot of people think that Adam Schiff was leaking.
It's hard for me to believe, with all the technology we have, that Adam Schiff would be able to leak this stuff and not get caught.
Maybe initially at the beginning of the Trump presidency, but Trump gradually Gain control of everything until by the end of the year he had pretty good control of the administration.
So any leaks that occurred, even in the middle of the year, even by the middle of the year the leaks really dropped off.
Say after June, by June of 2017, most of the leaks were in the first six months and there were more in the second six months, but then after that there haven't really been any leaks.
You know, not from the Deep State, not from the Deep State, or maybe from other departments that are, you know, non-Deep State departments, like the, you know, Urban Development or something.
But not from, like, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the White House, the NSA, the DNI.
Those departments haven't had any leaks, as far as I know of, since December of 2017.
And that's a key element in the war with the press, because the biggest fight here is over the fight with the news media.
Because the root of the evil is really the news media.
Okay?
Because we wouldn't have any of these problems if we had honest news reporting.
Think about it.
There wouldn't be any problems at all.
Because nobody could get away with this stuff if the news media was honest and reported real news.
Right?
Nothing could happen.
You couldn't run the Deep State like this if the news media wasn't in on it.
It would be impossible.
Now, Michael Flynn, as you may know, was sentenced on December, or he pleaded guilty on December 1st, 2017.
So think about that.
That's almost two and a half years ago.
December 1st, 2017.
What happened on December 2nd, 2017?
That's the day that the stroke and page text messages were declassified.
So somebody, somebody decided it's like a tit for tat.
So this is when the comeback started.
On December 1st was a dark day for Trump and for America and for me and you and for Michael Flynn.
It was a dark day on December 1st, 2017.
Michael Flynn Pleaded guilty?
The Deep State probably thought they won.
On that day.
They were probably drinking champagne that night.
Somewhere.
Okay?
But on December 2nd, 50,000 text messages between Stroke and Page were released.
And ever since then, the Deep State has been losing, and the good guys have been winning.
Well, talk about the hand-written notes, you know, that appear to have been especially incriminating.
What are our aims in dealing with Flynn?
Do we want to, you know, do we want to incriminate him or do we want to catch him in a lie so he can be prosecuted later?
Okay, those notes were written by Bill Priestap.
Bill Priestap was a high-level FBI official, like the third man at the Third man down, I think.
He was the highest level official in the FBI who didn't get fired or laid off initially in the first wave.
He actually stayed into that position for another two years at that position.
Bill Priestap, I can tell you right now, I guarantee you, he's been cooperating with the investigators from the very beginning.
Bill Priestap.
He's been cooperating.
He's been singing like a canary.
He probably wasn't the criminal anyway.
He's one of these guys who was involved in stuff and he probably let some of it go when he shouldn't have.
But he was not the guy running the criminal enterprise.
Now what did Bill Priestap write in those notes?
Bill Priestap wrote, what are we doing?
Are we trying to get him to lie?
Or are we trying to get him fired?
You know, what are we trying to do?
Well, apparently one of the things they weren't trying to do was find out any information from him.
Why was he asking him the question?
Because normally when you do an FBI investigation, you want to know what the guy knows.
Now, someone we both know, Colleen Rowley, FBI agent and named Time Magazine Woman of the Year several years ago, I heard her on a radio interview and asked about this.
And she was an FBI agent.
She's done interviews and she said, she said, it's easy to get people to lie.
The hard part is to get people to tell the truth.
That's what she said.
And that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
You're an FBI agent.
You're trying to solve a bank robbery or a bank fraud.
And you want to go interview someone.
The hard part is to get them to tell the truth.
It's easy to find people that lie because they're afraid or they're embarrassed or they're committed crimes or they don't want to be in whatever.
So that's another reason why this case is thrown out, because they weren't doing an investigation into anything.
There was no legal investigation.
The key words you have to remember, think of what Bill Barr has been saying from very early on in this, since he took over, almost from the beginning, he said there's no predicate.
Doesn't sound very sensational, right?
When Bill Bach says, there is no predicate for this, there was no predicate for that.
That's actually extremely explosive.
He said there was no predicate for Crossfire Hurricane.
You know what that means?
That means the whole investigation was illegal.
That means he knows that the CIA manufactured the evidence that was sent to James Comey on July 31st 2016, that's called the EC, the Electronic Commission, Communication, Electronic Communication, that was sent from CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey, July 31st, 2016, that's when Crossfire Hurricane was opened.
Bill Barr has said that was a fraud, when he says there's no predicate He's saying that it's a fraudulent document.
That means he knows that John Brennan fabricated all the evidence, the stuff about George Papadopoulos doing all this stuff.
George Papadopoulos, remember they said he was drunk?
And then told someone that Putin had all these emails?
Well, according to these documents that have been released, the tapes of Papadopoulos With the undercover cops.
George Papadopoulos never even talked about any emails.
George Papadopoulos said, I never talked about any emails.
He said, I never, I don't even know who Joseph Massoud is.
He never told me about any emails.
Uh, who's the guy from the Maltese professor?
You know, he, and almost everything was a lie in those documents.
So he said that they were trying to, he had women coming up and trying to get, get in with them.
They had Israelis giving him $10,000 when he was in Greece, and then they were trying to set him up at the airport, but likely he gave the money to his lawyer to hold on to.
So, all this stuff, which I'm not going to review here necessarily, this is all bogus.
None of this stuff Was a real investigation.
There was no real investigation of George Papadopoulos either.
There wasn't anything.
He was already working for Ben Carson, you know.
He worked for Ben Carson's campaign and Ben Carson dropped out of the race and then he switched over to Trump's campaign a little bit later.
Okay, so all they did is they did a profile on George Papadopoulos and figured out This is like a young, eager beaver.
We can get him somehow.
We can set this guy up.
This guy wants to move up the ladder.
He's a young guy, eager to impress his boss.
So they got him on tape, and what's the biggest thing that he brags about when he's on tape?
You know what he bragged about?
He said, I set up a meeting between the President of Egypt and Trump.
Big deal.
That's what they came up with.
That's his biggest brag.
I'm certain that John Brennan is going to be facing justice very soon.
And James Comey is going to be facing justice.
Now one of the ways these guys get away with stuff is Comey's first defense is, let's say that everything from the CIA is bogus.
What's his defense going to be?
Well, I didn't know it was bogus.
We assume that if it's from the F.C.I.A., we assume it's all true.
Right?
So if there's something wrong with the information, it's the C.I.A.
that did it.
That's their fault.
Right?
See?
And that's why it's so hard to bust these people, because they always have, they compartmentalize things, and it's hard to prove it.
It's hard to prove it.
Barr's proving it.
He's already got the proof.
I know what he's going to do.
He's going to nail these people.
He's probably got dozens and dozens of people singing like a canary.
Remember, every time this stuff is in the news, there's somebody out there, and someone's out there, and all of a sudden the phone rings at the DOJ, and it's, I'm a lawyer, my client is an FBI agent, They want to cooperate.
They want to come forward.
That's why they do this.
They do it with organized crime.
They do it with other racketeering organizations.
This is the same thing.
It's just that it's more complicated because the criminals are more sophisticated.
But, there's certain advantages and disadvantages with prosecuting these criminals.
Okay, they have a couple advantages.
One is they have the news media on their side.
That's a big advantage.
The mafia normally doesn't have the news media on their side.
Okay?
Another advantage they have is they have plausible denial.
Okay?
In other words, they can say, I'm a law enforcement officer, I've been serving my country for 30 years, and I was just trying to protect us from the Russians.
They say stuff like that.
Okay?
Alright, and this is the same reason why a policeman, say, who shoots an unarmed suspect, often is acquitted at trial.
It happens very often.
Sometimes they're found guilty, but oftentimes they're found not guilty, and they always say the same thing.
I'm protecting our neighborhood for 20 years, and I thought the guy had a gun, and I'm very sorry, but it turned out he didn't have one.
Okay?
Then there's reasonable doubt.
Sometimes, and then the person gets acquitted.
The same thing with these FBI agents, FCI agents, who say, well, I was trying to protect us from the Russians.
Okay, someone might think, okay, they have reason, we have reasonable doubt here.
Maybe they really thought that the Russians were meddling in the election.
Okay?
So to prosecute these people, you have to overcome certain hurdles.
Okay?
To overcome the hurdle of plausible denial, Bill Barr is doing that.
Bill Barr is overcoming the hurdle by showing that the Russians, he's going to be showing that the Russians didn't meddle in the election, Trump didn't collude with the Russians, and all the evidence they came up with was manufactured.
If they show that, then it's going to be pretty hard to argue that they were just trying to protect us, right?
Because they were manufacturing the evidence, you see?
So that undercuts those defenses.
The other thing that they do in federal courts, and federal courts are very good at convicting innocent people, and they're even better at convicting guilty people.
Federal courts use what's called conspiracy charges against people.
Conspiracy charges have all kinds of advantages When you're doing a prosecution, and I'm going to run through a couple of them.
One advantage with a conspiracy charge, and by the way, a conspiracy charge, to prove it, you have to prove that somebody had a corrupt and illegal intent, and then you also have to prove they committed an overt act to further the conspiracy.
That's how you prove a conspiracy charge.
Well, before you go further, I want everyone to know that Rolf's going to take calls this second hour.
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And since we're coming up on the break, Rolf, you may not get a chance to complete the discussion about conspiracy charges But yes, conspiracy, it turns out to be the most widely prosecuted crime in the United States.
So when they attack anyone for being a conspiracy theorist, it's absurd on the basis of empirical evidence alone, because it's the most widely prosecuted crime in America.
I mean, this is idiotic.
Keep going.
Here we have our break, Rolf.
We'll continue when we return with my special guest, Rolf Lindgren from Madison.
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Hello.
Hello.
Hey, hello, Ralph.
How you doing?
I don't I don't see Jim or hear Jim on the call.
I don't know what happened.
I was just talking to him and then the break came up.
I hear him now.
Yeah, he's out in the kitchen.
The wife called.
Hey, I was going to jump in here for a minute, Ralph.
I was waiting for some callers.
Okay.
Cause I've, you know, I've done a lot of looking at, you know, this, this, uh, Russian conspiracy, Spygate, um, hookup of the Trump campaign.
And it seems that every, every, uh, major player, I guess, within the Trump team had an agent attached to them, uh, one way or another, you know, we know Michael Cohen had, um, Had Felix Sater attached to him.
We know Paul Manafort, Konstantin Kilmannik, the Ukrainian embassy guy.
He's the guy that supposedly fed information to Joseph Mifsud.
Did you know that?
No.
That's what I understand.
Remember for George Papadopoulos to know about Putin's emails, supposedly Joseph Mifsud told him, but how did Joseph Mifsud No, that Putin had Clinton's emails.
Well, supposedly Konstantin Kolomnak told him, but Konstantin Kolomnak, isn't he like a Ukrainian?
He's Ukrainian, yes.
Okay, so how did he know about it?
I mean, and the other thing is, at the time this was going on, people were speculating that anybody could have hacked into Clinton's server and had those emails, including foreign countries like China or Russia.
So the idea that someone Thought that Putin had the emails.
What is that?
What is that proof?
Rolf, we've now had confirmation.
Mitchell, thank you for stepping in.
I had this phone call and it distracted me and I wasn't back here in time.
We've now had confirmation that there were communications directly between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks.
And of course, he did the downloading because he was a Bernie Sanders supporter and pissed off that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was sabotaging Bernie's campaign.
So that with the assistance of Kim Dotcom, he downloaded directly from the server.
I've had Bill Benny on this very show confirming it was done at a rate too rapid to be distant Russian hacking and was done in the Eastern time zone.
So I think we pretty much wrap that up, which mean the whole, the entire Russia hoax was nothing but a messy pile of bullshit.
And what you're sorting, what you're disentangling, Rolf, are the legal ramifications of the serious I got some more information on CrowdStrike, by the way.
You probably haven't heard.
Someone from CrowdStrike testified to the House Intelligence Committee in either 2017 or 2018, and those, remember they just released 6,000 pages of transcripts?
The guy from CrowdStrike never determined that the Russians hacked the DNC, He's testified that it's possible the Russians did it, but they didn't say the Russians did it.
They just said that we don't really know who did it.
It could have been the Russians, okay?
Because it could have been a lot of other people.
And the point is that the news media and supposedly the intelligence community assessed that the Russians did it.
Remember they said we are assessing with a high degree of probability Yeah.
That the Russians did it.
That's not what the report said.
There is no report from CrowdStrike that the Russians, with a high degree of certainty, did it.
They just said that it could have been the Russians, and I think it's because whoever did it left the Cyrillic alphabet behind.
Yeah, but Rolf, we know that was planted.
The CIA did that.
I'm talking about what the guy from CrowdStrike, the CrowdStrike guy isn't reading political theories in the news.
The CrowdStrike guy is simply examining the server and saying, who hacked this?
And he says, we don't know who hacked it.
It could have been the Russians, it could have been the Ukrainians, it could have been You know, whatever.
That's all they came up with.
They never determined that the Russians did it.
And by the way, did you know that the guy who runs CrowdStrike was a former FBI agent?
Well, but Rolf, there wasn't any hacking at all.
It was just a download.
It was a leak, not a hack.
Yeah, it wasn't a hack.
But they never determined who did it.
That's my point.
The point is that the documentation of these... It's another lie that was peddled in the news.
The CrowdStrike never determined that the Russians did the hack.
And if it wasn't even hacked, then of course they didn't do the hack because it wasn't hacked.
Rolf, by the way, you were on a very interesting line talking about the elements of conspiracy before we went to the break.
Could you go back?
What Bill Barr and John Durham are doing is they're putting together A conspiracy case against the main criminals are going to be James Comey, John Brennan, Andrew McCabe, James Clappers, Lisa Page, and Peter Stroke, and a few others.
But those are the main people that we've heard about.
When you charge someone with a conspiracy, there's many advantages.
Here's the first advantage.
I'll ask you the question.
If you've been charged with a conspiracy, what's the worst thing that could happen to you?
The answer is, your co-defendant pleads guilty.
Right?
Sure.
Okay, so what I'm thinking is that they're putting together, and they're probably building several conspiracies around each fake document.
So the EC From July 31st, 2016.
That's a conspiracy.
Then there's the ICA from January 10th, 2017.
That's a conspiracy.
There's a Pfizer warrant on October 21st, 2016.
That's a conspiracy.
Then there's another Pfizer warrant in January, another one in April, and another one in July.
Those are conspiracies.
The Scope memo for Robert Miller may be another conspiracy.
All these things are conspiracies.
They're opening Crossfire Hurricane is a conspiracy.
Opening Crossfire Razor is a conspiracy.
Opening Crossfire Typhoon, which is another one.
Who makes up these names, by the way?
Crossfire Typhoon, that's the one to get George Papadopoulos.
That's another conspiracy.
So what they're doing is they're going to pick the cases that they have the best evidence for and put together these conspiracies.
And then they're probably going to get some people to plead guilty, okay?
Because that's the worst thing that can happen.
If you've got ten people in a conspiracy and three of them plead guilty, the other seven are really screwed.
I'm just telling you.
Another advantage of a conspiracy is it allows more evidence to be admitted into the trial.
Remember, in a conspiracy, you have to prove an overt act was committed to further the conspiracy.
Think about Peter Stroke and all of his text messages.
Think of all the different things that he was doing that would be overt acts.
Things like sending a message, don't close Hurricane Razor.
That's probably an overt act.
The advantage of overt acts is you can You can have more evidence can be admitted into the trial.
The more evidence that you have, the more likely the jury is going to find that you're guilty.
So that's another advantage.
And then of course another advantage is if you have a hundred overt acts, the jury only has to believe that you committed one overt act to find you guilty.
So if a jury thinks that 99 overt acts you didn't even do, if that could even happen, but one overt act you did it, The jury, then you're guilty.
Because you only have to commit one overt act to further the conspiracy to be guilty.
It doesn't matter how many you didn't do, it matters if you did one.
That's another advantage of an overt act.
And that's why these conspiracies... Another advantage of a conspiracy is jurors naturally think people in the government are crooks and do conspiracies.
So when you tell a jury that somebody in the government did a conspiracy, A lot of people are just inclined to believe it.
Without even hearing any evidence at all.
Yeah, well, most of the audience is probably in shock that we're not talking about the COVID fake pandemic, but this is such a striking development.
There's so much there.
You're so good in addressing it, and I felt we all deserved a break.
I'm glad to say we do have a caller on the line, Brew from Chicago.
Brew, join the conversation.
Yeah, there's a lot more to CrowdStrike to that meets the eye.
They just aren't this company that was, you know, making up reports and saying we investigated and there's nothing there.
There's a lot more entanglement to it.
I think Rolf just brought up a point that an ex-FBI agent, whatever.
So there's a lot more to them.
And of course, it was suspicious from the beginning that the DNC would not allow the FBI to inspect the server they claim Edmund hacked.
I'm just saying, the whole CrowdStrike, they're a bigger player than anyone knows, the money they got, how they got established and so on and so forth.
I don't really recall the whole story right now.
I'm just gonna feed you that to get your interest.
When we talk about Seth Rich and the download, you know, William Benny and saying, you know, the direct download from the servers and whatever.
Here's the story that I've heard that's not being told.
That you had young staffers, young interns, young campaign people on these campaigns all across the nation during that year that were, you know, young and so enthusiastic about politics and so on and so forth.
And they were working on these campaigns and then they saw what happened, you know, they got their reality shattered when they saw what happened to Bernie Sanders, when they saw how it actually worked out and what happened to Bernie Sanders and so on and he should have nominations and so on.
So these people were like in disbelief.
So what ended up happening is these staffers all across the United States, not just Seth Rich, imaged servers Not just the DNC servers, the RNC servers.
But you only, to this day, still only hear, well it was the DNC server that got hacked.
But you never hear a thing about the Republican servers getting, you know, imaged or hacked or anything else.
That stuff is out there.
And these staffers, these interns, image these servers.
Now, how it gets all just always tied into Seth Rich and blah blah blah, I'm not sure.
We had a lot of disillusioned people out there, and both sides got compromised.
Now, I don't know what's going on, how it's going to come out in the future, but let me tell you, RNC, DNC, they're both in the same boat, and there's a lot of compromising information, because when we talk about these parties, we say it's the Uniparty, you know?
Yeah, I think you're right, Brew, 100%.
He actually did a hostile pick.
the Republican Party, I mean, separated, given some, at least some degree of separation before they were the Alipac party one and whole.
Yeah, I think you're right, Brew, 100%.
Wittig League had the RNC stuff too, but they never ran any of them because there wasn't anything, there wasn't really anything in there that was interesting, where there wasn't a plot going on in the RNC emails.
There was a plot going on in the DNC e-mails.
And by the way, I'm not sure if I want to talk about Seth Rich.
I don't think that the case that John Durham has going on right now has anything to do, frankly, with Seth Rich.
The closest you're going to get to Seth Rich in the Durham probe, at least initially, is simply going to be that the CrowdStrike person who testified That's a nice point, Rolf.
I want to bring Mitchell back in.
He has more comments to contribute.
Mitch, come on, join the conversation, my friend.
really need to know.
That's a nice point, Rolf.
I want to bring Mitchell back in.
He has more comments to contribute.
Mitch, come on, join the conversation, my friend.
Yeah, you know, as we look at all this, we have to understand that when you peel back all the layers of this onion, it all goes back to protecting the Clinton Foundation, the Hillary Clinton email scandal it all goes back to protecting the Clinton Foundation, the Hillary Clinton email scandal and
So the government itself that is basically had become a business of bribery wasn't exposed.
And, you know, when we look at everything moving forward, you know, the cover up of Hillary Clinton's email scandal, the mid-year exam investigation, and the giving of immunity to people who destroyed evidence and committed perjury.
And we look at the evolution of all of this.
It really is about the deep state and the government trying to maintain control of their government.
And they don't think it's our government.
I have an update on that, by the way.
Christopher Steele testified in the new declassified transcripts that the GPS fusion was funded, 50% funded by the DNC and 50% funded by the Clinton campaign.
So there's another fact that's been revealed.
That's good.
And we also know that, and also two of the people who testified, who was declassified are Michael Sussman and Mark Elias.
Mark Sussman and Elias are Perkins Coie lawyers.
The law firm of, remember the law firm of Perkins Coie was hired by the Clinton campaign and the DNC.
Then they hired GPS Fusion.
But two of the lawyers testified and according to testimony that's been revealed these two lawyers are the likely go-betweens who were taking information from GPS Fusion and relaying it to Hillary Clinton and also relaying the information to Susan Rice through a separate channel.
So those are some more things that are being put together.
My opinion is that GPS Fusion is crooked.
I would suspect that Christopher Steele will sing like a canary.
And if they can take down these Perkins Coey law people, then the Clintons are next.
Because those are the only two people left before you get to the Clintons.
Also, I want to add that Michael Sussman, who's the lawyer at Perkins Coey, has already testified.
Other testimony shows that he went To see James Baker.
James Baker was the legal counsel for James Comey.
He's the son of James Baker, the famous diplomat.
Michael Sussman took a pin drive of information that he got from somewhere, went to James Baker and said, I want you to give this to the FBI.
James Baker's like, well, why don't you give it to the FBI?
I'm only a lawyer.
I'm not supposed to handle evidence.
I'm supposed to give legal counsel.
And apparently these guys knew each other from law school, so James Baker handed the pin drive off to somebody else, and I don't remember if it was Bruce Orr or Joe Pientka, I forget the name of the person, but that's another angle in this case where they're trying to get information into the FBI from different sources.
So this Michael Sussman guy is in the middle of a lot of stuff.
If this guy flips over, then we could see the Clintons actually, you could actually see Hillary Clinton charged.
That could happen.
We could also see Perkins Coie go down.
We could see GPS Fusion is, is could, GPS Fusion could just be considered a criminal operation.
There's a federal law, a RICO statute, you can have what's called a continuing criminal enterprise It could be deemed that GPS Fusion did no legitimate work.
They keep saying they do legitimate work.
Maybe they do, I don't know.
But if they're doing this, they look like a criminal enterprise in many ways.
And there's legal standards to charge them as that.
And remember, GPS Fusion, who worked at GPS Fusion?
Nellie Orr?
The wife of Bruce Orr?
We haven't even talked about today.
And also, Glenn Simpson, who we haven't talked about today.
Glenn Simpson probably lied to the investigators.
He's probably looking at lying to Congress charges.
He's probably going to sing like a canary, though.
That's what I think will happen.
And Nellie Orr, she's in the middle of it because she works for GPS Fusion.
Her husband is the number four official at the Justice Department.
So they're in the middle of everything.
Bruce, I can tell you right now, Bruce Orr and Nellie Orr, I guarantee you that they're singing like a canary.
They're cooperating with investigators.
I'm absolutely certain.
Bruce, come on back in.
If it hasn't been revealed already, or if it even gets revealed in the future, you're going to find out that Adam Schiff had connection with Christopher Steele, where they actually met and Adam Schiff asked Steele how to proceed where they actually met and Adam Schiff asked Steele how to proceed on So that's all I got for you there.
But there's a connection between Adam Schiff and Christopher Steele.
Whether it's been revealed in documents already, or it's coming up, or if it will ever come up, I'm not sure, but it's there.
That's an interesting point, because another thing we haven't talked about is these news media are real dirty.
We know that.
But here's a question for you.
Are they committing crimes?
Are these reporters committing crimes?
It's very likely that if reporters are collaborating with CIA or FBI people on how to report leaked information Then they've crossed the line.
They're not just reporters, they're part of a criminal conspiracy.
Now there's a case pending against Julian Assange, and that case has not yet been litigated, but that case could have ramifications if people from the New York Times or the Washington Post are
are implicated in these in these in the deep state purport it's very it's it's almost a hundred percent likely that the New York Times and in the Washington Post will have people implicated in these in these in these charges that are likely to come out and so it's as well as CNN and probably NBC and maybe some others there's going to be there's going to be these reporters are going to be
Mentioned when they when they write up these indictments they list they list like different things and if these reporters Are doing more than just receiving information then they could be criminally liable and then though then there would be a big First Amendment fight about that and And the Supreme Court has never really ruled on this but what they would probably rule is that routine actions by reporters are legal like meeting with sources and
But they would probably draw the line if they're actually actively participating in strategic decisions on how to leak, what to leak, what to write in the article, and there's a back and forth.
And remember Julian Assange has only been charged with supposedly, it's a very weak case so it probably won't go anywhere, but supposedly he assisted Chelsea Manning with a password which didn't even work.
Okay.
These reporters are doing a lot more than Julian Assange ever did.
And they've been doing it at least since the JFK assassination.
They've been printing lies and weaponized intelligence for 50 to 60 years at least.
The mockingbird media never died.
It just kind of buried underground a little bit and became a lot more sophisticated, rebranded itself.
I think you got that right, Mitchell.
Bill from Australia has joined us.
Bill, speak up.
Yeah, I'm a bit of a novice.
If Donald Trump's the president and he was going to put Hillary in jail, why has he spent all this time defending himself that Hillary's trying to put him in jail?
Why is the tables turned?
Is it because he's like the good cop and a good cop bad cop thing and he's really on the same side or sincere?
What do you think?
Well, it appears to me, and then Rolf can add his opinion, that Hillary had a CIA get-out-of-jail-free card that exonerated her from past crimes so that Trump has to nail her for new crimes since he became president, for example, that weren't covered by the get-out-of-jail-free card.
Rolf?
Well, what I would say is that, first of all, they're not on the same side.
They're on the opposite side.
It's good versus evil.
The reason why it's taking so long is that the New World Order has a lot of power.
That's the reason.
And when Trump becomes the president, remember in the United States we don't have a king or a monarch.
He can't just do whatever he wants to do.
First of all, there's lots of people who work in the executive branch who have civil service protection.
Trump can't fire people with civil service protection.
A lot of these people who are plotting against Trump probably had civil service protection.
Another problem is, if Trump appoints people into these positions, he has to get the Senate to approve.
When Trump became President, he had 52 Senators the first year, and 51 Senators the second year.
And of the 52 Senators that he had the first year, one of them was John McCain, who hated Another one was Lisa Murkowski, another one was Bob Corker, and another one was Thad Cochran.
So there's some bad senators out there.
There's also Richard Burr, who's still there, who's another, you know, pretty crooked Republican.
And so Trump can't just put anybody he wants into these positions.
If he was a king or a monarch, he could fire anybody he wanted and put anybody in that he wanted.
But this is the way the system works in our country under the Constitution.
So it took Trump about a year to really clean out the swamp as far as the main people in the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA, and the State Department.
And remember when he was getting impeached, which wasn't very long ago, it was only like three months ago or so, Those were ex-State Department officials that were all attacking Trump.
They were all people from the State Department.
And I think they were all ex-State Department by then.
So, that's why it takes so long.
It also is routine for organized crime prosecutions to take two years to put together.
It happens all the time.
It just seems a bit wake of Trump to me because You know, here you've got the ex-president Obama, who wasn't even American, should have never been president, had two terms, and Hillary, who's, you know, totally evil, and those people are attacking Trump, and Trump's not doing much about it.
Now, everyone says, oh, Trump wants them to hang themselves, but I think he should... Yeah, I don't think he's doing enough.
Thanks, Bill.
Thanks for your contribution.
We've got Pete from Florida here.
Pete, join the conversation.
Yeah, good evening gentlemen.
I'm wondering where, um, you're talking about taking these guys to federal court, under federal charges.
Where do these, uh, as Q's been saying, lead to military tribunals?
Where's the treason and sedition?
Does it not go to a military tribunal?
Well, I don't think it meets the legal definition for treason.
Treason is defined in the Constitution as waging war against the United States.
That's not what they're doing.
Now, treason, some people use it in a colloquial fashion, so you could say they're traitors.
I could say that.
But that's not what they're going to be charged with.
They're not going to be charged with treason.
They're going to be charged with conspiracies, most likely.
Here's what they're going to probably be charged with.
Let me run through it.
The main charges are going to be conspiracies to defraud the U.S.
government, conspiracies to deprive civil rights, And conspiracies to obstruct justice.
Those are the main charges.
There also should be charges for lying to Congress, lying to investigators, lying under oath, which are lower level charges.
And another type of charge that could occur would be misuse of government property, which that's if you take classified documents home with you that you're not supposed to, things like that.
And then, of course, leaking classified documents is also illegal.
Those are the types of things that they're likely to be charged with, not treason.
Not the overthrow of the U.S.
government?
Well, it's in a political sense, it's the overthrow of the U.S.
government, but the legal charges are not, that's not what they're going to be.
I mean, that's not what they're really going to be.
It's going to be conspiracy charges.
Let me bring in Paul from California.
Paul, go ahead, join the conversation.
Thank you.
I was somewhat reluctant to call, but I thought I might add a little bit of color here.
So, a listener, who shall remain nameless, sent me an email, and it says this.
At this point, I'd be willing to bet Rolf about $100 that nobody he's talking about will be arrested or even charged by the end of this year, let alone Memorial Day, okay?
So I happen to agree with that so much, I'm going to add my own twist, which is my response to this individual.
I said, you could make it a lot more money than that.
Any amount would be safe.
So here's, here's what I'm going to say.
I think this is all pretty easy to agree with.
If the kind of things that we're all just talking about is true, such as Trump has this limited power, limited ability to arrest people, to fire people, to do this, to do that.
My response immediately would be, OK, well, then what good is he?
OK, because apparently the deep state can do whatever they want.
And I don't think the deep state is descriptive enough for my mind.
It's a little vague.
So I'm going to call it the Jewish pedophile financial counterfeiting criminal racket.
Deep state can do anything they want.
They can fund acts of war against us.
This what's going on now with this covid folks, economic shutdown is an economic act of war at the very least.
The chemtrails are an act of war that's been going on for 20 years.
I could go on and on about all the stuff that's wrong with this country that's not ever going to be addressed.
That's why most people, including myself, don't really care about Comey or General Flynn or Brennan or Mueller or any of this other stuff.
And the average person doesn't know.
I don't know that much.
I know what I've heard from this show and other shows.
But I know in my mind it doesn't make a difference.
If these people are still in power doing what they're doing, which of course is mostly treasonous, then what's the point?
It's all political soap opera.
So that's my little point for now.
Thanks for hearing it.
Okay, well, according to the odds right now, if you want to bet on who's going to be charged, there's a 15% chance it says that McCabe will be charged by the 30th of June.
There's a 17% chance that Brennan will be charged by the 30th of June.
There's a 16% chance that Comey will be charged by the 30th of June, and a 6% chance that Hillary Clinton will be charged by the 30th of June.
So, if I was betting on that, I would not bet on Clinton, but I would bet on McCabe, Comey, and Brennan.
They're basically pays you between 6 and 7 to 1.
Are these offshore betting sites?
Are you serious?
This is Predicted.com.
Predicted.com.
So you can take your $100, and you can bet that they won't be charged, since you're so certain of it.
I would do it, though.
I'll bet $500, and what I'll also do, I'll sweeten the deal.
You can do it.
You can bet.
You can go right on the... You know what you can do?
You can push the odds... You can push the odds lower, so the people who do bet the charges... Just let me finish this thought, please.
I'm going to make it interesting.
I will bet $500 and I'll sweeten the deal for you or Jim and everybody listening.
I will bet $500, and if I lose, I will also piss in a cup, pour a little beer in it, and drink it down in front of people.
There you go.
What I would do is go to PredictIt.com and place your bet.
I would place your bet.
I love it.
We got Dominic from New York standing by patiently.
Dominic, join the conversation.
Hello, Dr. Fetzer.
I just had a couple of points that are mysterious to me, and that is, why would General Flynn go to Perkins Coie, who he knew was related to Eric Holder... He was Covington, not Perkins Coie.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Covington Burling.
Yep.
You're right.
Why would he go to that firm when he knew that Eric Holder was connected to it previously, and then went back to it after he came out of government, right?
Because he knew they were crooked.
And then the second thing is, Gordon Duff is running a story that this whole Russia thing is a cover-up, because who was really interfering in the election were the Israelis through Roger Stone, and he's released some transcripts of Roger Stone's emails going back and forth, showing that he was communicating with the Israelis.
Well, Gordon Duff is completely unreliable and is most likely a Mossad agent.
So the question is, why did he hire the Covington Law Firm?
He probably just thought they were a powerful establishment law firm that could protect him, you know?
And he made a bad decision.
Yeah, but he did.
Eric Holder was the wingman for Obama.
Well, he's a partner of the law firm.
That's right.
Right, that's what I mean.
Why would he go there?
He was Obama's wingman.
He knows Obama as he was the head of the Director of Intelligence for... Well, maybe he just made a bad decision, and that's why he fired those lawyers who hired Sidney Powell.
If I'm not mistaken... Yeah, but that was way later.
Way later.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, hold on a second, I think Covington and Burling got involved with Flynn over the FARA Uh, demands, uh, from the government.
They were demanded that Flynn, uh, Flynn Intel Group, uh, the lobbyist group that Flynn had put in a FARA, um, and, uh, Covington and Burlington, um, Covington and Burles, I guess it is.
Burlington.
Burlington.
Yes.
Screwed it up.
And that's how the charges ended up against Flynn's partner and in association with this.
So.
Yeah.
Flynn had a partner who was already charged with, uh, I forgot all about that.
He was charged with the FARA Act, right?
One of his partners.
Or an Agent's Registration Act.
Yeah, and that's who did that for the Flynn Intel Group.
That's how Flynn got involved with them, because that previous relationship, it rolled into his criminal, that plea, that guilty plea stuff.
That's how that got all tangled up.
You don't believe that the Israelis would have any interest in meddling in our elections?
There's one link to the Israelis.
Somebody from, some agent from Israel gave, if you look at the scope memo, one of the scope memo items is that, is George Papadopoulos an agent of Israel?
In other words, was he violating the FARA Act?
And doing lobbying for Israel illegally.
That's in the scope... He's actually Jewish.
He's actually Jewish, even though he's got a Greek name.
I don't think he's Jewish, but... Well, it's been reported... Who cares if he's Jewish?
What's the relevance of whether he's Jewish?
There's no relevance.
Because all Jews are dedicated to Israel, and you know that.
No, they're not.
No, they're not.
Okay, so do you want to talk about a legal issue, or do you just want to come up with some kooky...
And a whacked out stuff.
Okay, George Papadopoulos had some agent, some agent from, somebody from Israel, who had something to do with Israeli intelligence, actually approached him, and then he was given money for some sort of speaking fee, and George Papadopoulos was forced to take the money back to the United States, but when George Papadopoulos, before he left, he was in Greece, I believe he was in Greece at the time, gave the money to his lawyer,
And then he went back to the United States, and then Robert Mueller seemed to have jumped him at the airport, but they thought that he had this $10,000 in cash, but George Tripodopoulos did not have that cash.
If he had had that cash with him, he would have been screwed, because they would have nailed him for all these different laws, like FARA Act, not reporting cash, blah, blah, blah, blah, plus it looks suspicious.
But he didn't have that money, so they somehow got him to say that he lied about something.
So he made a very poor decision.
By pleading guilty to lying.
Very poor decision.
Okay, thank you, but I feel bad about being accused of being kooky going into this show.
First of all, you don't even know him.
He's a Greek, and his wife is Italian.
Okay?
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Mitchell, you want to add a further thought?
Yeah, the the 10 grand was later that was a plot by alleged plot from the Mueller special counsel squad with Andrew Weissman, they believe was behind the attempted entrapment of Papadopoulos in that in that in that event.
Yeah, it was a it was a setup.
What did he give the money for?
Was it for a speaking fee, or what was it for again?
It was going to be for some kind of consulting something or another.
And then they flew back, actually they flew back to Cyprus or somewhere.
Cyprus, that's right.
Yeah, that's where they gave it, he put it in a lawyer's safe.
And they actually had recently, not long ago, retrieved that money and was turning it over Um, either turning it over or claiming it.
I don't know which, um, but they wanted to track and see if they could track and see where the money came from.
Could I just say one more thing, Dr. Fetcher, and then I'll hang up?
Sure, of course.
If Gordon Duff is supposedly an agent on Mossad, why would he be trying to expose the Mossad being involved with Roger Stone to meddling in the election?
Thank you.
Maybe he's pretending to be a beautiful idiot.
Gordon is CIA, but CIA and Mossad are closely aligned.
Roger Stone wasn't working with the Mossad.
That's about as absurd as it gets.
I know, Roger.
This is a ridiculous suggestion, but that Gordon is You know, maybe 80% true and 20% deliberately false is very plausible, because that's a classic mix for a disinformation operation.
Brew, I know you want to have further thoughts.
Brew?
Well, someone said a couple years now that, uh... That's not me.
0-5-4-9-7-0-0.
That's not me.
Oh, I know.
At the tone, please record.
We get this.
Go ahead.
It's been long said a couple years now that Russia is actually the Israeli gate.
I mean, however you want to twist it, but they're there.
Israel, you know, everybody messes in the American elections.
I don't care who it is.
Everyone messes in it.
But who's the strongest candidates to do it?
It's often, it's definitely the Israelis.
We know this.
We know this.
I mean, just these past midterms in Broward County.
We know this?
You think I know it?
What does this really have to do with the case by John Durham and Michael Flynn besides this one?
Is that Dominic?
Let Bruce say his piece, Dominic.
So I'm not specifying there.
I'm saying they missed in our elections.
You can just take the midterms by example.
Is that Dominic?
Let Drew say his piece, Dominic.
Go ahead, Drew.
So anyway, yeah, Flynn got involved with Covington-Berlin because of that Ferris stuff where they just said, you know, to cover your buns, you know, let's get this document.
They messed up the document and then, yeah, they used that against him.
And because he already had them representing him for that document, they were representing him for the rest of the case going on.
And then, thank goodness for Scott Bennett, who Scott Bennett got involved and ran into Michael Flynn's brother and Sidney Powell over at John B. Wells Operation whatever it was called and helped get them together and Sidney Powell put her foot down and got all this new stuff exposed.
This is all good stuff.
But, you know, what we're facing today is look what's going on with all this.
You know, I know this isn't a coronavirus thing, but look what's happening in front of our faces.
Look at all the stuff that's going down in front of our faces where they're like, we're going to give you a coronavirus tracing and everyone's got to get tested.
And we're doing these dragnets everywhere.
And you can't go to work and you can't get on a plane.
You can't get on a bus without having health certificates to say you're healthy.
And then we're going to test you everywhere you go.
And we're going to give you fever checks.
This is going on with Trump.
So whether or not we have Hillary in office or Trump in office, we're getting the same thing.
It's just Trump has given us a softer shoe.
He's giving us a velvet shoe when Hillary might have given us a spiked boot.
So what's the difference here?
I mean, that's what we're looking at.
Is he really going to stop this?
Because if he was going to stop this, Fauci would be in jail, Bill Gates would be in jail, all these people would be in jail.
They have committed... How is Bill... I know that we know we don't... I know that I don't like Bill Gates either, but how is Bill Gates going to be... what crime did he commit?
Listen here, wait, hold on.
He's a billionaire, what are you supposed to do if he makes big?
First of all, who cares if he's got money?
Who cares?
It's the United States government.
You know, India wants him.
India kicked him out and they got charges against him.
He's a billionaire, he can go wherever he wants to.
Yeah, you know what, they just say, hey, you ain't going anywhere, buddy.
All you're doing is you're moving the goalposts, so that means if the CIA and FBI directors You're gonna say, "We never caught the Rothschilds in New Cays." - I'm not picking an argument, I'm just scaring. - "We never were caught, you know, that's all you're doing.
It's just a load of crap.
Trump is doing all kinds of great stuff for this country, including, he was helping until the virus came in.
He was doing a great job on the economy.
The virus was obviously created in a lab by the new world order to take down Trump." - Ralph, 100 million people were still out of work when Trump, during this Trump administration, Just because the stock market was doing good?
The stock market does not represent the economy.
Your local community represents the economy.
We had a record low unemployment rate.
No, there was not.
There was a lot.
Donald Trump had the magic wand.
Do you know what that means?
The magic wand.
He's going to deregulate.
He's going to deregulate.
He's deregulating.
That's what he's going to do.
Yeah, you know, we already know.
Look, over the past, since this COVID-19 thing happened, the billionaires and the trillionaires have already, their net worth has gone up, accumulated to be $218 billion.
So you're jealous of rich people, is that what you're saying?
That's what you're saying, Ralph.
I work for a living.
I don't know what you do, but I work.
- A couple of minutes, would ya?
Two minutes. - That's what you're saying, Ralph.
I work for a living.
I don't know what you do, but I work.
I bust my butt. - Okay, great.
But you know, nobody's going to call me essential and not essential.
No one's going to put psychological warfare on me because we're all essential, Ralph.
I'm not sure, but you want to tell me I'm jealous?
I ain't got an envious or selfish bone in my body.
But you're going to say, well, I don't care who has what.
I'm talking about stuff that's relevant.
Bill Gates has a lot of money, that's all.
No, he's got a lot of stolen money.
Bill Gates is a fraud.
What about Jeff Bezos?
All these billionaires are fraud.
Andrew Cuomo is a fraud.
They're all frauds.
You don't have that much billions of dollars if you get legitimate.
Fraud.
They're thieves.
Yeah, thieves is a fraud, too.
Fraud.
I want to give Paul a minute or two to get a word of the next one.
Thank you.
I mean, as much as Brew is dominating, you know, and I mostly don't mind it because he's making all the important points, you know, I'm just going to pile on to this.
See, you know, here's the thing.
Look at what's going on right now.
Yes, Brew said this is not a coronavirus show, but that's not, that doesn't matter.
We can't go up the street and have a cup of coffee in the coffee shop, right?
We can't go out to a restaurant and have a meal.
People are getting $1,000 tickets in Malibu for going to the beach.
And the virus conveniently interrupted the John Durham investigation, didn't it?
So think about that.
Just as the impeachment ended, the virus appeared.
Isn't that amazing?
Just by coincidence.
Paul, go ahead, Paul.
Okay, thank you.
So here's one thing that is near and dear to my heart for a number of reasons.
It's sports, okay?
I'm right on the New York Times right now because I was looking last night at a little bit of that UFC event, and President Trump made a surprise so-called pre-recorded video appearance where he says, quote, I want to congratulate Dana White and the UFC.
They're going to have a big match.
He says, get the sports leagues back.
Let's play.
You do the social distancing and whatever else you have to do, but we need sports.
We want our sports back.
Okay, so President Trump probably spoke for tens of millions of Americans there, okay?
Leave alone the social distancing nonsense.
But here's what took place, in case any people don't know.
They held the fight in an empty arena, okay?
All the people surrounding the ring had masks on.
The fighters didn't have a mask, but the arena was empty.
There was no crowd in attendance, no crowd noise, nothing.
It's bizarre.
Not only that, but right here in the New York Times article, it says that the fighters Had to sign an agreement where they would not be critical of the handling of the coronavirus, COVID-19.
Okay, that's what we've come to, all right?
So all this crap that Rolf is talking about, all this political stuff, all these supposed arrests, indictments, whatever else, never ever going to take place and it doesn't matter.
They are doing so many things.
So now it doesn't matter.
So you went from it doesn't going to happen, so now it doesn't matter.
So that means if it does happen, you're covered, right?
You can say it doesn't matter.
I'm always covered.
So let's just let the deep state run wild then.
Is that your position?
Right, yeah.
That's a good summation.
No, no, no, Rolf.
No, no.
Let's see who we have here.
Is Pete from Florida still here?
Pete, did you want to add some more?
No, I don't think he's here, Jim.
Mitchell, your thoughts, your thoughts.
Well, it's a, um, these guys use every happenstance to their advantage.
Everything that happens, whether it is or isn't a false flag, it is manipulated in the end to, uh, for their means.
Um, You know, the Chinese got caught unaware of something that they, that escaped from a lab and they didn't know what the hell it was going to do.
And it wasn't until all the numbers worked out after three or four months, but it, you know, went all around the world.
So, you know, all those, uh, people in the world with, uh, vulnerabilities, um, Got stuck and that shut down dissent and revolution and investigations and everything worldwide.
It wasn't just a shutdown and reset here in the United States of the Durham investigation or some other something else.
It was, it was something that was essentially worldwide.
So, you know, that's something we kind of have to look at and understand that it was, um, today the masks are essentially.
Silencing free speech.
And that's the way I look at it.
We have about four minutes left.
Literally, literally, literally.
Brew, did you want to add a final thought?
Brew?
Paul, a final thought?
Yes, the famous phrase, whenever a government becomes destructive of these ends, it's the right of the people to alter or abolish it.
I think it matters at this point, in my opinion.
Thank you.
Yes.
No, I agree, Paul.
Bill, Bill, Bill.
Go ahead, Bill, a final thought.
Well, these politicians are meant to be doing our will, not their own.
They're elected to do the good thing by the people and they're not.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
Thank you for calling.
Thank you all for calling.
Rolf, I'd like you to give us a few words of wisdom, what we can expect.
I'm going to close with a statement.
Donald Trump just posted a tweet and here's what he said.
CBS and their show 60 Minutes are doing everything within their power, which is far less today than it was in the past, to defend China and the horrible virus pandemic.
That's what's going on.
These New World Order media corporations, TV shows, all have much less power than they used to.
CBS has less power They can't pick the winners of elections like they used to.
They can't control the narrative like they used to.
They're losing their power.
And Trump, if Trump gets re-elected, he's going to crush, for all time, these news corporations, especially the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, NBC, and CBS.
They're going to be crushed if he can get re-elected.
It just takes a lot.
It's hard to do it in four years.
He needs another four years.
They're going to be crushed.
Rolfi's done a brilliant job of exposing the fake news media.
I mean, the concept is in the mind of virtually every American that we cannot trust the mainstream.
And I think after this coronavirus catastrophe, they're going to be even more awake than they were before.
I think the whole country is turning into conspiracy theorists because they can see They went in the grip of a medical conspiracy that was a political pandemic and not a medical emergency.
I mean, it's outrageous!
These powerful media companies, they have less people that listen to them and they have less people that believe them.
And it's a double whammy.
And I think what's going to happen is when we get close to the election, Trump is going to gain momentum and he's going to crush Whoever the heck the Democrats end up running, he's going to crush them.
I think he's going to win 38 states.
That's my prediction.
Paul, wouldn't you agree that they can't possibly run with Joe Biden, who's clearly cognitively impaired, brain damaged from aneurysm.
Who do you think they might nominate in Milwaukee?
I don't know who they, I mean, who they don't have.
I haven't seen a choice that they can pick.
Cuomo isn't going to run, so he's not, I can tell you that's not going to happen.
I don't know what they're going to do.
Maybe they'll just leave Joe Biden on the ticket with Stacey Abrams.
My guess is they're going to use Joe Biden and Stacey Abrams at this time.
Well, the latest I've got is Joe Biden and Michelle Obama, which is just fine if you want to vote for a man with breast implants and a huge safety bill.
I don't think that Michelle Obama is going to be picked because her husband is now implicated I had a great time!
massive deep state perp walk.
So that's the last thing she's going to want to do is run for vice president.
That may be one of the enduring benefits of this whole fiasco.
Rolf, thanks so much for exposing so much of what's going on here.
I think you're right.
The Durham investigation is going to have very important consequences and that we're likely to see some of them emerge in the next week or 10 days or so.
I thank you so much.
I had a great time.
Great.
And thanks all of you out there And I really like the colors, too.
too.
Good, good, good, Ralph.
Good, good, good, good. good.
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