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The Real Deal: Ole Dammegard,Jim Fetzer and a CIA Whistleblower

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	This is, uh, Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal.
	In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade.
	It looks like one of those scenes of an old building being purposely dynamited and blown.
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	President Kennedy died at 1 p.m.
	Live from the Media Broadcasting Center...
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, where I have two very special guests today.
	One, Ole Damegard, internationally renowned for his research on false flags and covert activities.
	A second, very much unknown to the world, but where we want to change that today, Cody Snodgrass, who is a longtime independent black ops and CIA contract agent who has become working for the, come forward to blow the whistle about events in which he's been involved.
	Ollie, would you like to say a few words about Cody before we begin?
	I would very much like to do that.
	About a year ago, I was contacted by Cody who started telling me his story.
	He had been involved in many different operations and in 1994, I believe it was, he was offered a million dollars to blow up the Alfred P. Murray building in Oklahoma City.
	If you remember this horrific, horrific mass murder.
	That was blamed on Timothy McVeigh, who was later executed for it.
	And Cody explained that he had been offered this job before, but was totally outraged and turned it down.
	And at that point, from being a covert asset to the CIA, he became a risk instead.
	And he's going to tell us a lot about this.
	Also, how he ended up on maximum security, three
	Cells down from from where Timothy McVeigh was even at the time when he was executed and I would just say that over this year and our conversations are I've come to trust Cody with my life almost and I will stand by his side whatever he says I can back it not the details, but his serenity and his honesty that I can vouch for So it's a real honor and pleasure.
	And I also want to say that I salute his bravery to step forward because he has been, they've been trying to take him out several times.
	He's died twice, flatlined, and they helped him back in the hospital.
	They attacked him with cars.
	And I mean, his story is just incredible.
	And still after all of these years, he has the courage to face these very, very dark and sinister forces.
	So I really applaud that.
	Cody, that's quite a stunning endorsement coming from Oleg Domogar, whom I know so very well.
	He certainly believes you to be the real deal, and I am inclined to accept his evaluation as 100% accurate.
	I recall at the time there were numerous reports that the story was not as we were being told.
	For example, there were two seismic reports, one from the fertilizer bomb, which was relatively modest, another far more substantial from the actual explosive that destroyed about half of this massive building.
	In fact, some of us have speculated that it might have had to have been done with mini or micro nukes, but let me not anticipate Cody, welcome to The Real Deal.
	I'm very pleased to have you here.
	Tell us about how you became engaged with the dark side here of the American government and moved from there.
	Okay.
	Thanks, Jim, and thanks, Ole.
	We really appreciate all the work you guys have done over the past, and all your listeners.
	We're all in this together to try to expose the truth.
	I just, uh, I had told Ole earlier this morning, I went through a brief history of how I got to be, uh, where we were.
	And, um, we don't have time here in just an hour to, to, uh, go through all that history, but, uh, people can hear it on, uh, videos and that, uh, Ole's gonna, uh, put out.
	So right now, um, we can focus with beginning in, in, in October of 94.
	I was offered that job to, to bomb the Murrow building by, uh, Another CIA contractor, Harold Leonard, was his name.
	He's deceased now, so I can say his name.
	And anything that we talk about here, I want to follow the 1982 Intelligence Identity Protection Act.
	That's the IIPA, U.S.
	Code Title 50, and Sections 421, 426.
	I don't want to... It's illegal to, you know, say any operative names or anything like that.
	And you probably know, Jim, that CIA officer, John Karaku, if I'm saying his name right, he's the one that blew the whistle first on the CI's RDI, the Rendition Detention and Interrogation Program, and he named a CI officer who was active, and he got sentenced to 30 months in U.S.
	federal prison, and was sentenced January 2013.
	So, I don't want to do that, and I'm not going to name any names unless the guys are dead or otherwise not operational.
	Anyway, Harold Leonard is deceased and he offered me that job.
	I turned it down and then about, let's see... Just out of curiosity, on what ground did you turn it down?
	I was at the end of my career and I had severe PTSD.
	I'd already died twice in the hospital and been shocked back.
	And so I was, uh, I've got a lot of broken bones and various medical issues.
	And so, uh, the main ground that I turned it down on when he offered me the job, I'll just tell you a brief story.
	Harold Little called me.
	We went to a, uh, uh, secure location under the tree canopies.
	So we couldn't be photographed by satellites or whatever, no electronic, uh, equipment at all.
	And he had half a million dollars in a backpack, his purple and black backpack.
	And he said, we've got a, A job for you.
	And I said, OK, what country are you going to?
	Saudi Arabia, Nicaragua, what is it?
	He said, no, it's here in the States.
	And I said, well, what kind of job is it?
	He said, it's an EOD job, explosives and demolitions, a bombing job.
	And I said, well, what is it?
	And he said, we want you to bomb a federal building.
	And I said, what?
	And he said, yeah.
	And I said, well, which one is it?
	And he said, it's the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building down in Oklahoma City.
	And when he said that, I lost it.
	I just went off on him, and I told him, you know, I am not going to do something like that.
	I said, these are our own American people, and I will not do that.
	My dad was at Pearl Harbor in Guadalcanal.
	He was a Missouri State Highway Patrolman for 32 years.
	I was patriotic.
	I told him I don't mind going to Saudi Arabia or somewhere and doing that, but I am not going to do it here to our own people.
	And I said, you guys have went too far this time, and I don't want anything to do with this.
	And that was the point at which I turned from an asset into a liability.
	And so that was basically my break.
	One of my handlers, he's also deceased now.
	His name was Duke Flaglier.
	He was in 63 with the 20th Special Forces Group at Bragg, I think it was.
	No, it was Benning.
	And he'd been overnumb with two tours with Barry Sadler and all those guys.
	And he was one of my handlers here in the states.
	He called me a couple of days later and he said, you need to leave the US.
	And I said, why?
	And he said, you've turned from an asset to a liability.
	You need to get out of there.
	Because evidently he knew that there was a bombing coming up here domestically.
	And so anyway, I turned that down on patriotic grounds is the main thing.
	Yeah, and of course it involved murdering women and children.
	I mean, a lot of innocent civilians.
	So, I mean, I certainly think you did the right thing in turning it down, and I'm very glad you're talking about it now.
	What were your feelings when you discovered it had taken place?
	Well, that was six months later, on April 19, 1995.
	I didn't know anything about it after that.
	I was trying to walk away.
	from almost 20 years of black ops and you can't just quit it like you do a job at Walmart and give two weeks notice.
	So anyway, when that did happen, I immediately went back.
	We had fake IDs disguised as standard tradecraft that we employed in our operations and I disappeared out of here and I went down to Oklahoma I used, you know, fake everything, fake licenses, fake drivers, we had all that stuff.
	I used some dropped vehicles and I got down to some safe houses we had because in the early 1980s I was a petroleum geophysicist at Amoco Production Company in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
	That was my civilian front for our black ops.
	I was involved in all the operations in Arkansas there with Bill and Hillary Clinton and Centaur Rose, Jade Bridge, Screw Worms, all that stuff.
	Supplying the Nicaraguans with the arms and all that.
	So we had a series of safe houses in the Oklahoma area.
	And the friends I went to see had worked for the CIA over in Vietnam and using the Army as their front.
	And so I went down there and hid out.
	And I had a lot of protection.
	And meanwhile, we were watching all the civilian blowback from the Oklahoma thing.
	I knew there was going to be a massive cover-up.
	I knew that that was Apache operation.
	When Harold Leonard first gave me that job, I mean, there's no way that a million dollars is nothing.
	I wouldn't even consider a job like that for $15 or $20 million.
	That was way too sensitive.
	I knew it was a Patsy operation.
	I knew that I was going to be retiring in March of 1995, and I think they were trying to do two things.
	They were trying to shut me up from all the stuff I knew.
	And they killed me as a patsy.
	That's why I didn't take the job, and McVeigh ended up taking it.
	And so when I went down there, I was just hiding out, and I was afraid that they were going to kill me because I knew about it.
	I was an operational rift to the cover-up that was going to follow in the Oklahoma City bombing.
	And I imagine you know others who have been taken out because they were likewise similar risks for knowledge they possessed about other ops, or was this more or less unique in your history?
	No, no, no.
	I did bodyguard work as well.
	One of the jobs we were offered was to bodyguard Barry Sadler, the staff sergeant.
	A lot of older guys from Vietnam know him.
	He stepped on a punji stick in Pleiku in the highlands of Vietnam in 1965 and got a bad infection and went down to Subic Bay, Philippines, a medical facility there.
	He wrote the Ballad of the Green Beret, which was a number one hit single back here in the States in 1965.
	And so, Barry Sadler had been down in Guatemala and he was working, he was doing a lot of covert arms deals and stuff.
	This story has never been before made public, but he was down there working.
	And on September 8, 1988, he was killed.
	I was hired to bodyguard him two weeks before that happened.
	I was fixing to be operationally deployed down there to do that job.
	Two weeks before that time, a CIA assassin, his name is Rosen, he was from the Phoenix Project in Vietnam, and they pulled him out of mothballs to hit Sadler down there.
	And he was laying on top of a bar in Guatemala City and Barry walked out and he shot him in the back of the head with a .380 auto.
	It hit the skull but didn't penetrate and it went around the side between the skin and the skull and exited above the left eye, I believe it was.
	So he was transferred to a civilian hospital in Guat City and then he had to fake a coma because he didn't want to appear conscious because he figured the CIA would dress up the guys with the You know, the doctors would come in and give him a shot.
	Finish him off, yeah.
	Yeah, so Duke Flagler, one of my principals, he died of Agent Orange cancer, so I can use his name now.
	He went with that, I think it was Robert Brown, who runs the Soldier Fortune thing.
	They went down there and they got him, and they extracted him, and they brought him back here to the States in a series of safe houses, and they kept bouncing him around to protect him, and then they ended up in Tennessee, Near Memphis, I think Barry's mother was there somewhere, and then Barry died up here in the States.
	That's a true story.
	And so, what I was told, after we found out Barry was shot, I was just fixing to go down there to bodyguard him, and I flew to Atlanta, where Duke Claywater was.
	He had done two tours in Nome, and was now working as an asset for the agency as well.
	I met him, and he was fixing to go down to Gwat City.
	And he told me, he said, um, that, um, um, uh, okay.
	Take your time, Cody.
	No, no, no.
	Just hold one second.
	Um, I have some security personnel that have been out around the property now and I gotta let them back in.
	Hang on.
	Sure, okay.
	Ole, you may want to turn on your video so we can see you.
	We had some external, some cars and vehicles out here.
	I live way out in the mountains and I have bodyguards and people up here around my property now.
	They're in cars and they're walking around and they're just making sure nothing funny is happening.
	I apologize for that.
	Yeah.
	Cody, can we get back to the Alfred P. Murray building and could you explain why was it exactly that building they hit and what was the reason and who was behind it?
	Okay, well the reasons for that bombing I found out later.
	Alright.
	We have to go back to the Desert Storm War.
	This is in January of 1991.
	And the CIA had covertly supplied Saddam Hussein in the 80s with the Ames drain of anthrax from Fort Detrick, Maryland.
	This was in case they were overrun by the Iranians, where Saddam was fighting the Iran-Iraq War, and Iran enjoyed a 10-to-1 infantry advantage over them.
	We were allied with Saddam.
	He was actually a CIA asset.
	And Donald Rumsfeld went over there and provided him support and satellite intel and stuff.
	And then when Saddam invaded Kuwait, he turned from an asset to a liability.
	To make a long story short, George Bush and the guys over here wanted to go stop Saddam Hussein.
	They were getting a lot of flack from the Saudis.
	And so what they did was, Our normal soldiers got a six-month anthrax course for their injections.
	One vaccine a month to build immunity.
	But they were on a timeline, so they had to reduce it down to a month.
	So they covertly cooked up a new anthrax vaccine.
	And it was only one shot for one month.
	Now they bypassed FDA approval, and this new anthrax vaccine had squalene.
	It was shark oil.
	It's an adjunct used to boost autoimmune system function.
	So, they gave it to our guys.
	The first lot was given at Dover Air Force Base.
	The C-130 pilots and all of them started getting dizzy and sick.
	This had never been used before, but they were in a big jam.
	And they basically sent about 480,000 of our troops over there from all various branches.
	Marines, Air Force, Army, so forth.
	A lot of them got these shots.
	They started getting really sick.
	Very sick.
	And nausea, dizziness, all this stuff.
	Well, then they later called that Gulf War Syndrome, okay?
	And so, to make a long story short, this Gulf War Syndrome, our guys came back after Desert Storm 1, they started getting stateside, and they were sick.
	Another thing they used over there for the first time in 91 was depleted uranium weapons.
	They expended approximately 200 tons of these weapons.
	I know some of the A-10 Warthog pilots, they used the chainguns, 30mm chainguns.
	And also they used the M1A1 Abrams Tank Sabot Rounds.
	These were very high-velocity tank-busting rounds.
	They had enough kinetic energy to knock a tank turret off a Soviet, say, T-54 tank, which Dom was employing.
	And these things, you know, they weigh 11 tons, and they were blowing them up and just spinning them like tops.
	Well, these Sabot Rounds had about an 8 or 9-inch rod of depleted uranium-238.
	And so what was happening, this is the first time they ever used this ordinance in a real war.
	These things were making big fireballs.
	And what was happening was they were creating uranium, uranium dioxide, and other compounds in the micron size of these particulates.
	After these firefights were approximately four microns.
	Now the mop gear, the standard mop gear that our US forces had, You know, there were a number of different countries, Brits, all of us, but I'm talking about our U.S.
	mop gear.
	They go to 10 microns.
	So what was happening was, in a nutshell, our troops were breathing depleted uranium, low-level radioactive particulates that passed through their mop gear.
	Now, nobody knew this at the time.
	So our guys started breathing this, And the low-level radiation concentrates in the thyroid gland and in the testicles.
	So they were coming home, and the first thing soldiers do usually when they get home is make love to their wives and stuff.
	And so the semen of these soldiers was slightly radioactive, and it was being transferred into the ovaries of their wives, then from the ovaries down into the children, and so forth.
	And this was the first time the Pentagon ever dealt with a problem like this.
	You're talking about intergenerational Radioactivity being transferred multi-generationally.
	And so this is very similar to the thing that happened in Vietnam with the dioxin poisoning of the Agent Orange stuff, okay?
	That was sprayed in basically an Operation Ranch Hand.
	I think it went from 69 to like 71 or 72, where they were defoliating the highlands so that they could hit the VC better there.
	So that resulted in a big lawsuit and DuPont settled with the Vietnam veterans.
	And dioxin, a lot like low-level radiation that was used in the Iraq conflict, these two types of toxins accumulate low-level in the body and the effects of them do not show up immediately.
	They take 30 to 40 years.
	But what was the connection with Oklahoma City?
	I know.
	I know.
	I'm getting there.
	I'm trying to cover about 30 years.
	This is fascinating.
	I'm fascinated by all of this, Cody.
	Go for it.
	Go for it.
	Okay.
	So, all right.
	So, we had the Agent Orange thing from Vietnam, and then we had now, in 1991, we had depleted uranium weapons, and we also had ANPRAC shots, both of which were experimental.
	So, these two factors combined to produce what you call the Gulf War Syndrome.
	All right?
	Now, our soldiers start coming back sick, and so they start showing up at the VA hospitals, all this stuff started happening, they began investigating, they began backtracking, they started discovering, holy shit, this is what's happened.
	The Pentagon got worried at this point.
	They started having Gulf War hearings.
	The Pentagon, with this radioactive, they were going to be on the hook for hundreds of millions, hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions of dollars In long-term care, not only for the soldiers, but for their sons, their grandsons.
	The Pentagon did not know how long, how many generations, this radioactivity was going to be transferred intergenerationally.
	It was the first time it had ever been done.
	And the Pentagon was worried that they were going to be on the hook for a lot of money.
	Well, they started these hearings on the Gulf War Syndrome, and there was a senator His name was Chris Shays, a Republican out of Connecticut, I believe.
	He was sitting on one of the committees.
	And so what he did was, he said, look, we're going to get to the bottom of this, but we need the medical records.
	We have to have the medical records of all these people.
	So he tasked the FBI with going around and collecting them so they could determine medical culpability for a potentially staggering amount of money.
	And guess what?
	The records were collected in Oklahoma City at the Murrah Building.
	That's the whole thing right there.
	These records were stored at the Murrah Building.
	And when that blew up, the Pentagon later, in hearings about Gulf War Syndrome, because these hearings were ongoing over years, after the Murrah Building blew up in 1995, at a later hearing, the Pentagon admitted
	To a Congressional Oversight Committee that approximately 400,000 Gulf War Syndrome medical records had disappeared and been lost.
	That is one of the main reasons why that building was blown up.
	It was the cover-up of two things.
	The depleted uranium and usage combined with the vaccine, there was a massive cover-up.
	They had actually waived FDA approval and testing for those vaccines, which effectively made guinea pigs out of all our good military men and women who But this leads to an epidemic of radiologically contaminated offspring all over the country who are themselves going to reproduce.
	I mean, the effects here are staggering.
	What you're describing, Cody, is just beyond belief.
	Well, the Air Force, Dover Air Force Base, they were the first ones to get the lots.
	Now, in this book I wrote, Choosing the Light, Dark Secrets of the Oklahoma City Bombing, I did a lot of research.
	I talked to a lot of Black operators and Pentagon people and, you know, different military guys.
	I have a lot of files and stuff, but the Dover Air Force Base, I got the lot numbers in here.
	The first vaccine, there was a company named BioPort.
	Is the book out, Cody?
	Well, we have several publishers right now looking at it.
	We couldn't do a thing like normal people and put a book first and then go out to interviews.
	If I put a book out this first, I wouldn't be talking to you right now.
	Yeah, you'd probably be taken out already.
	Yeah, we have to get the interviews out first and the book out last.
	I've already had two books on, comparatively speaking, innocuous subjects banned by Amazon.
	There may be a marketing issue here, but this is stunning stuff!
	Has the military done anything to cope with a problem that they're not even willing to acknowledge exists?
	Yeah, well listen, Dick Cheney, some of his companies, all of these defense contractors, BioPort was a vaccine company.
	And they made a lot of lots for this new squalene adjunct.
	You know, in normal flu shots they have the therosal, which is a mercury-based adjunct.
	Right, leading to autism.
	Yeah, they started getting a lot of heat for the mercury with autism and everything, and then they switched over to aluminum-based adjuncts, but this squalene, it was a... Go ahead.
	Pardon me?
	Oh no, I know, the aluminum also generates serious problems, so... Right, and so they went to this squalene thing, so our troops were getting really sick, and the Pentagon didn't want to have to deal with all the money like they did with the Vietnam veterans, and the lingering, horrible medical costs
	I got a lot of my op buddies that are all poisoned with the Agent Orange, and they've got type 2 diabetes, and liver failure, and heart failure, and I could go on and on about all this.
	But as far as the Murrah Building was concerned, that was the main reason why it was bombed.
	The second reason was that when Bill and Hillary Clinton were over in Arkansas, and he was the governor, and Hillary was running the Rose Law Firm, there was a C.I.O.P.
	over there called Centaur Rose.
	It was a highly illegal C.I.O.P.
	Uh, you know, Centaur Rose for Rosewall Firm.
	And in that op, basically in a nutshell, I could talk for hours, I was in all that, but Reagan had passed, uh, he had went to the CI director and told him he wanted to run this op because Congress had passed the Boland Amendment in 84, and they forbid us to be involved militarily down in Nicaragua.
	As you recall, Daniel Ortega was the Sandinista's president, and the Soviets were supplying them all big time, and then the Contras were against them.
	And so, Reagan went around Congress and told the CIA to conduct a covert op to... Ollie North, right?
	Armstrong?
	Yeah, yeah, all that, all that, all that.
	He ran to get money.
	Yep.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, all that goes, and then all the records, basically, from these ops that were occurring They were running these covert ops.
	Bill Clinton was running cover for him, using his position as governor to run cover for him.
	And a lot of that stuff was covered in Terry Reid's book and several other books.
	But basically, the domestic law enforcement in the area got wind of these big operations at the mean airport, and Barry Seals was one of the contract pilots and stuff.
	So they started an investigation, the ABI, the Arkansas Bureau of Investigation, the DEA, the IRS, and so forth.
	They were laundering a lot of money through there and everything.
	So anyway, all those investigative records were there and they were stored in the Little Rock FBI office just prior to the bombing at the Alfred P. Murrah building later in 1995.
	There was a guy named Craig Roberts.
	Y'all probably know him.
	He was a Tulsa police detective.
	He said he got a call from a guy In the FBI, who was unnamed, and he told him, hey, all those records that were implicating Bill and Hillary Clinton have been moved to the Murrah Building, just before it blew up.
	And so, at that time, if you recall, the Whitewater hearings were going on in D.C., and they had a whole lot of stuff on the Clintons, and with the impeachment thing that was going on with Bill, And so, those records being lost and blown up in the Murray Building was a big fat plus for the Clintons.
	And it was also a big fat plus for the Pentagon, because without those medical records, they couldn't prove.
	Some of those soldiers said, I'm really sick, and I didn't get sick until I went to Iraq and came back.
	And the Pentagon said, well, can you prove it?
	How do we know you didn't get these cancers and all these strange diseases?
	You know, radiation makes cancers and leukemia and tumors and all kinds of stuff, but it takes time for it to show up.
	And if you're not doing statistical studies that show the pattern of those who are, you know, in good health before and bad health after, it's very difficult to prove on a case-by-case basis.
	It's very powerful to isolate individuals and leave them to their own devices by depriving them of the evidence they need to prove their case.
	Right, Jim.
	I mean, you know the drill.
	It's like, I've worked with a lot of guys after they got out of Vietnam, and they were doing the black ops thing to make money.
	And one of them was a guy named Dan, and they had drank in that paddy water between resupplies out on the bush.
	He was in the infantry.
	And they were spraying the highlands with that Agent Orange, and that stuff would all run down into the paddy waters and stuff.
	They would dip their canteens and put the pills in it and drink it and everything.
	When he got back to the States, him and his wife, she was his high school sweetheart.
	She's one of the few that actually waited on him, you know, to get back from Nome.
	But they wanted to have a family.
	And they tried hard, and he was sterile.
	So he started calling all of his buddies that were still alive that made it back to the States.
	And he called them all, and every single one of them that had been under his command, We're all sterile.
	And so, they got together, they got their sterility tests, and they filed a private lawsuit, okay, against the Army and against the Pentagon, trying to get compensation.
	And the Pentagon did the standard thing, just like you're saying, they came back and go, you didn't have medical records proving, we don't know if you were sterile when you were 18 years old or not, when you went in the Army.
	And so they got really mad at all this, and then they joined that big class action lawsuit that the Vietnam veterans filed against DuPont.
	So yeah, this is a massive cover-up.
	It's not only just the Murrah Building, this thing is bigger.
	And it's time we shed some light on it.
	It's gargantuan, Cody.
	You're talking about the corrupt core, I mean, of the military abandoning and abusing our own soldiers to avoid fiscal responsibility for ill-fated decisions that led to calamitous consequences on the health and well-being of our own people.
	I mean, this is disgusting beyond belief.
	This is despicable.
	Hey, Jim and Olay, you know what's even more despicable than that is that they bombed one of our own civilian buildings and laid it off on Apache.
	You know, Tim McVeigh had been in Desert Storm.
	He won a Bronze Star.
	He was an M1A1 tank commander over there.
	His platoon commander was Terry Nichols.
	And McVeigh came back to the States and he went to Fort Benning and was going to join special forces and so he got in a group of there's over a hundred soldiers that wanted to be in SF and do the psych profiles and everything they did.
	CIA picked McVeigh and 10 others out of that special forces class and had a covert secret meeting and they told them that we want you guys to work for us.
	Your front is going to be special forces But you're really going to be working for the CIA.
	Your jobs are going to be to conduct black ops, assassinations, bombings, drug shipments, so forth, while you're using the good name of the Special Forces, of course, as a front.
	And so McVeigh was like me.
	He was a patriot.
	And he told them, no, I don't want to do this crap.
	And he quit the Special Forces.
	And then he moved off to a security job up in Buffalo, New York, at Calspan.
	And Calspan, if you do any of the research, it was a major contractor.
	They operated with the Air Force's Redstone program, which was an electronic e-lint, electronic intelligence, electronic counterintelligence, electronic countermeasures thing.
	They made microchips, they made radars, antennas, all kinds of stuff, and that's where McVeigh, I believe, was approached, you know, for the job to bomb the Murrow Building.
	And so, I told Ole earlier, McVeigh had actually been down at the Waco compound when it was being assaulted by the FBI, and he provided night vision equipment to some of my friends.
	And they watched, at night, as black helicopters that were totally, no markings, no lights, they flew over the top of the Branch Civilian compound, and they watch the tracer bullets out of M60 machine guns that are out of the back, the sides of those .204 Huey choppers. And you see them at night every fourth round or fifth round. It's like a tracer. Right.
	The standard military, yeah, yeah, they're all either green or orange.
	I've seen that aerial footage.
	I mean, you know, the claim that the FBI didn't fire automatic weapons into the compound is absurd.
	You can see them being fired into the compound.
	You see this tank with a flamethrower capacity put the compound on fire.
	Well, they burned to death 84 women and children.
	I mean, they could have arrested This guy, David Koresh, when he was walking back and forth to town getting supplies every single day.
	I mean, it was totally unnecessary.
	You may be able to confirm this, Cody, but the story I get is Hillary was pissed off, all the attention of Waco, that she wanted to talk about her health care program.
	She put pressure on Vince Foster and turned on to Webster Hubble and turned on to Janet Rebo to take him out, to take out the compound so she could get her health care program back on the air 24-7.
	Yeah, now that's on the political side of the ops.
	I've told Ole, we did a thing on the whole Branch Davidian thing.
	I had friends that were there on the inside, and the gist of that was from an operational viewpoint.
	I don't know much about the political stuff, but from an operational viewpoint, that's a standard Delta Team tactic.
	When you have insurgents holed up in a civilian structure, like the Branch Davidian compound was, and it has a wood roof, And you have a perimeter set up around it, which the FBI did at the time.
	If you want to collapse that perimeter and get closer to your targets, one of the standard Delta Force tactics is to deny the top ground.
	So they use those choppers at night to machine gun down into the compound, and what it did is it makes the branch civilians go down to the lower floor, and therefore you can collapse the perimeter around it.
	And so that was just a tactical thing that they did.
	But we talked about all the other stuff with that, but I mean, we could go on a bunch.
	I know so much stuff about all this, but... Cody, let me invite Ole to raise some questions here, because I know he has a number in mind.
	No, what I would like to, Cody, is if you can tell us about when, since time is limited, maybe not so much about how you were framed, but your time in prison in the cells next to...
	Timothy McVeigh and so on?
	Yes.
	After the bombing, they had planted me with evidence.
	I talked to the nation's top cop, Blake Butler, and they had it on tape.
	I told him all about the Murr building.
	So the CIA took the tapes and they stuck me in front of Judge Nottingham, as pointed by George Bush Sr.
	and the ex-DCI.
	The U.S.
	Attorney was Tom Strickland, appointed directly by Bill Clinton, so the fix was in.
	So they planted me with evidence to shut me up for something I didn't do.
	Then they threw me in there in Supermax.
	I didn't have one traffic ticket.
	I had a perfectly clean record.
	I was just a black operator that knew the truth that they were shutting up, is what it amounts to.
	I'm lucky they didn't kill me.
	They put me, I was in the FCI Englewood in Denver, Colorado, that's Federal Correctional Institute, and they, Judge Nottingham said I was too dangerous to be in the regular prison population, so they put me in the SHU, that's the Special Housing Unit, that's Supermax Security Solitary Confinement.
	Now, Tim McVeigh had been charged with the Oklahoma City bombing, and they had moved his trial up to the Tenth Circuit Court here in Denver, and he was being held In the most secure place in the prison.
	And he was the worst terrorist in U.S.
	history at that point.
	And so they had me three cells down from him in the tightest security.
	And they were being real mean to me because they knew I knew.
	And they were trying to punish me.
	They took out my mattresses.
	I had to sleep on the concrete.
	They put me in there six to eight weeks at a time.
	Some weeks we'd go a whole week with the lights totally out.
	I didn't know if it was day or night.
	I quit eating food because I thought the CIA was going to poison me to shut me up about the Murrah Building.
	I was getting weaker and weaker.
	Anyway, I was there on that day that Timothy McVeigh was taken out of there.
	He was executed on June 11, 2001 up at the Terre Haute FCI in Terre Haute, Indiana.
	That's where they have the brand new death chamber.
	It's a lethal injection chamber.
	And most of the guys that ran us down there, that pod, they were all in there for double life or triple life.
	There were many multiple injection guys waiting to die, but they didn't have room at Terre Haute to put them.
	But they bumped Timothy McVeigh ahead of all of them.
	And Timothy McVeigh was executed in record time in the Fed.
	The reason they did this was to hush up anything he could say.
	Now while I was there, Um, security was extremely tight, and I never saw Timothy McVeigh, although he was just three cells down from me.
	And there was a whole orderly, his name was Gerald Two Bulls, he was a Lakota from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, and he was there for stabbing somebody, but his job was to get out and mop the floors and take care of the logistics there.
	So he came to my cell door.
	And he had told me the story of how no one could talk to Timothy McVeigh.
	No one.
	Nobody but the lieutenants who had at least 15 years with the Bureau of Prisons, the BOP.
	And it was very tight security.
	And he said he walked down there by McVeigh's cell one day and they had these little windows where you could look out.
	And he said, hey, how's it going?
	And McVeigh said, hey.
	And that's all they said.
	And they took Gerald and threw him back in his solitary cell for days to punish him.
	They told him, you do not say anything to him.
	So when they took him out to execute him, it was a big hubbub.
	Go ahead.
	Well, what was the pseudo justification for nobody talking to him?
	I mean, that's such an extraordinary thing to do.
	I mean, we know the real reason.
	He knew too much.
	But what was the pseudo?
	Did they have an explanation?
	No, it was just an order, right?
	No reason given.
	Right, right.
	They knew.
	I have copies of his letters that he wrote to his sister, Jennifer.
	Where he told her, the CIA came in here and the special forces and wanted me to be a black ops raider and I told them to go to hell.
	And so he wrote his sister Jennifer the letters and she had all that stuff.
	And then during his trial, the FBI went to her house and confiscated everything.
	They were trying to mop up the cleanup.
	They didn't want anybody to know anything about Tim McVeigh's involvement with the agency or any of the black ops stuff.
	They just wanted to paint the narrative the government was trying to put out that he was a lone bomber, him and Nichols, and they had the Ryder truck and all the horse shit.
	That was just their cover, and they were mopping up after that cover operation.
	But I got copies of those letters.
	I have them in my book.
	I'm surprised they even allowed the letters to get to the hands of his sister.
	I mean, that's just astounding.
	They'd let them get to her.
	You'd think they'd interdict them and destroy them.
	Well, yeah, he wrote those letters while he was out.
	He wasn't in the prison.
	They can sell everything in those prisons.
	But while he was out, he was bouncing around, moving around.
	He could have put them in any number of postal facilities.
	But she got them.
	I got a copy of them.
	I've got them in the book here.
	So the point is, to all this, is that there was a massive cover-up and I was in there and I'm telling you what I know and what I saw from my thing.
	So the day they took McVeigh out to execute him, There was a big hubbub in there.
	Lots of brass.
	I mean, FBI, I don't know, lots of suits.
	It was just a zoo in there.
	And then it all settled down.
	And about an hour later, the goon squad came to my cell.
	There was about eight of them.
	They were all dressed in black, you know, and they had the taser shields, their plastic plexiglass shields with the tasers built in.
	You're talking black tactical gear.
	You're not talking black suits.
	Yeah, they're black tactical gear.
	They use them if inmates get violent.
	They have padded vests.
	You weren't being violent, of course.
	They were just paying you a little visit.
	Right, and here's what they did.
	This is part of their psych tactics to shut me up.
	They came down there after they took me out.
	And, you know, they tell you to go to the back of the cell, and then you walk, and they handcuff you through the bean hole, and then you have to walk back to the end of the cell, then they open the door, and they have the chains all laid there, and they put chains on your legs, with a chain coming up to your belly, they wrap a chain around your belly, and then they hook all that to the handcuffs.
	So you're totally chained up.
	So they all chained me up, and the lieutenant that just took McVeigh out, I'll tell you exactly what he said, he looked at me, He got right in my face after they chained me up.
	He said, do you know where you're going Snodgrass?
	And I looked at him and I said, I don't know and I don't give a fuck.
	And he said, well you're going to Terre Haute.
	You're next.
	You mean for execution?
	They just took McVeigh out to execute him.
	And that's what he said to me.
	I hadn't even been to court.
	I've never been found guilty.
	So what the hell were they doing threatening to execute you when there's no legal warrant for it at all?
	I mean, murdering you is one thing, but threatening to execute you as a result of a formal state process is ludicrous under those circumstances.
	Yeah, what they were doing was just trying to scare me.
	They knew that I knew about Oklahoma City, and it's just like, you better shut up or you're next kind of thing.
	Then they all started laughing, they undid the chains and everything, and put me back in the cell.
	Okay?
	And so that's what happened to me when I was in there.
	I never saw Timothy McVeigh's face.
	I talked to people who did talk to him, but that's what I know about all that right there.
	Had McVeigh done other offs for them?
	How did they approach McVeigh in the first place?
	Why did they target him?
	Why did they think he would be a good guy to do this?
	Well, one of the reasons was, during the Desert Storm conflict, we already talked about the shots with the squalene and the anthrax vaccines, okay?
	So, you know, when soldiers go overseas, they all get the standard shots for whatever particular theater of operation they're going to be in.
	The nun fever, yellow fever, whatever it is, they get all the shots.
	Well, what was happening, there was another covert plan in the Pentagon.
	And this was a plan with Lockheed Martin and their satellite systems.
	They had come up with something called the BEAST.
	It was the Battle Engagement Area Simulator Tracker.
	This was a new Lockheed Martin satellite system, which was designed to track operatives and field personnel in live combat situations.
	And so what had happened was, Through the vaccination program, certain people were picked out, and they were injected with implantable microchips.
	Okay?
	These microchips had the early stage protein coats on them, and the autoimmune system of the human body eventually attacked them.
	They've upgraded them now, but they were testing them back then in the 90s, so McVeigh was one of the ones that got that.
	And he went over to Dead or Storm, he did his thing, he won, he had confirmed kills, and won the Bronze Star.
	And then when he got back home, he started having sores up here in his rear, and they removed those chips.
	And then they found out later that the Pentagon was doing all this.
	And what this was, the satellites can look down, if you put a dog tag on a normal soldier, and he gets blown up, and you find an arm or a leg somewhere, you might find the dog tags, or you may not.
	And it made body identification and location a lot easier in a real-time battlefield circumstance.
	So, if you put a chip in them, it's even better than dog tags, because if a leg or arm's blown up, then you have the torso, and you can use a radio identification tracker to locate the torso, okay?
	And so, this is one of the ways they sold this research to the Pentagon.
	And they could do it from a satellite.
	And the BEAST satellite system was tested in Lockheed Martin in real-time over that conflict area.
	Where you have sand blowing in the atmosphere, you have dust storms, there were oil fields, smoke, fires, hydrocarbons in the air.
	Saddam set those fires.
	There was a wide variety of things that obstructed the satellite view.
	Right, but it worked nevertheless, so it was a severe test.
	Yeah, it was a severe test, right.
	Wow!
	I mean, Cody, my God, man, you are just a...
	Monanza of information about the deep state and the corruption to which Americans have been subjected for the last multiple decades, Cody, multiple decades.
	Tell me more about the role of Bill and Hill in all of this.
	It seems to me they have been a particularly pernicious influence on recent American history.
	Yeah, yeah, Jim.
	That's why they planted me with evidence, you know, to shut me up.
	I did not sign a standard national security agreement on these ops we were in.
	Okay, regular agents or case officers, they had to sign those things, and if they ever talked about them like I'm talking now, they'd be thrown in Leavenworth.
	I was a black operator, I was an independent contractor, and I had eyes-on access to a lot of this stuff.
	They have no way to control me.
	They can only threaten me with death, to shut up or plant me with evidence, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right, of course.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	That way when I get out and talk like I'm talking now, they say, "Well, he's a convicted felon.
	You can't listen to him.
	You can't believe him." And then they forget to tell you the story of how they planted me with the evidence.
	Right, of course.
	How you were convicted as a felon so they could attempt to discredit you.
	Yeah, and you got a distraction.
	I just, yeah, I just pled guilty to something so they wouldn't kill me, basically.
	So I thought I'd fight to live another day, and I'm out here.
	The whole story's in this book with dates, times.
	We have DEA tapes, court documents.
	It's unbelievable.
	I also made my own tape recordings inside the United States Attorney's Office.
	We also have our own counter-surveillance footage.
	On the Feds that were doing their surveillance.
	So I have all this stuff.
	It's all coming out.
	We got it all out in a dead man's switch.
	So it's going to come out one way or the other.
	Essential, essential.
	Yeah, what was the question about?
	Hillary and Bill, their pernicious influence, how they have corrupted the American political system to benefit themselves.
	Boy, Ole probably knows a lot about this too, but I can That would take a two or three hour talk.
	I can give you the high points.
	Give me a couple of high points, yeah.
	Well, you know, everyone knows, a lot of people in our fields know the story in Arkansas with the Clintons and so forth.
	And then they got up to be president.
	In my opinion, Bill and Hillary Clinton Are the worst criminal team in the history of the United States.
	They're worse than Bonnie and Clyde or anybody else.
	I believe they are satanic, evil, of the highest order.
	I believe they sold our country out in favor of the New World Order.
	Clinton's a build-a-burger and so forth.
	But the high points of them, down in Arkansas, they were involved in sex rings, drug rings, arms rings, All kinds of things.
	Pedophilia.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Some of the tapes I made that the CIA took were about Kathy O'Brien because I knew her and met her.
	Yeah, I've heard her speak, yeah.
	Yes.
	And so, anyway, Bill, when he got into the office of the presidency, the very first thing he did was fire every United States attorney in the entire country.
	Because he knew he'd been running all those black ops for the CIA in Arkansas.
	He was a front man, basically, for the agency.
	His position was to take up the office of the Presidency of the United States and then use that office as cover for the Deep State.
	I believe this 100%.
	He is a traitor.
	Cody, you're making so much sense.
	I know.
	I know.
	It's just disgusting.
	It means you want to retch and vomit.
	Yes, and so when the fix was in, Clinton knew they'd been running those ops down in Arkansas.
	I was told by a very reliable associate that they were turning $100 million a month in cocaine down there and that Clinton got a 10% cut of that, which was approximately $10 million a month.
	And they were washing that money through the banks in Little Rock over to the Worthington Bank in Atlanta and from that to the offshore bank, BCCI Bank in the Caymans.
	That's the Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
	So those operations were all going there, and they used that money then to launder back into the presidency.
	So when he got elected, I think it was in 1992, he began the cover-up.
	And the fix was in, and the DOJ and the Justice Department.
	Number one, he brought Janet Reno in, who had been in Dade County, Florida.
	I had some no-knock narcotics guys that were best buds of mine that worked with her down there, and I can tell you all kinds of stories about that.
	But anyway, he brought Janet Reno in, and then Tom Strickland, the guy up in here in the 10th Circuit, he appointed him.
	So he put, in position in the Justice Department, he appointed all the U.S.
	Attorneys.
	And the pitch was in for them to control all the judicial stuff for what he was about to do to America.
	One of them was Randy Weaver, that fiasco up there in Idaho.
	Yeah, Randy sent me a copy of his books while I was in prison and told me, hang in there, buddy.
	The feds are dirty.
	We'll try to help and all that.
	And then the butcher of Waco, Janet Reno, she oversaw the Branch Davidian cover-up.
	And then comes along, right after those two fiascos, was the bombing of the Murrah Building.
	And I personally believe, although I do not have actionable intelligence or operational intelligence about it, my own personal opinion, after seeing black ops for 20 years from the inside, and knowing how they work, I strongly believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton were right in the middle of the cover-up of the Oklahoma City bombing.
	Well, sure.
	As you were mentioning, it was a big benefit to them to get rid of all those records.
	Yeah, because they had the Whitewater investigation, as you recall, with James and Susan McDougal down there in Arkansas, and that all was blowing up.
	And they had to do blowback control on that and hush those stories up.
	And then later on there was the impeachment hearings, because by then Paula Jones and Jennifer Flowers and all those sex allegations had been coming out against the Clintons.
	And they had to do blowback control and information control.
	So destroying those records in the Murrah Building blast certainly benefited Bill and Hillary Clinton.
	Now they can play dumb and go, oh those poor people in the Murrah Building were so sad and it's terrible and we didn't know anything about it.
	And they're the ones that benefited from it.
	And the sexual abuses of women and so forth by Hillary of children and women, those were the least of their offenses.
	But can I just interfere here and say, also, the first bombs went off and people were coming from everywhere to try and help the survivors in the ruins of the building.
	But then suddenly they started shouting, secondary explosives here, everybody needs to evacuate the area.
	And when everybody left the area, leaving people dying there, there were some vans coming with people in blue overalls that went straight for the documents.
	They went into the buildings that were blown up, went for the documents.
	Box after box, file cabinet after file cabinet after file cabinet.
	Ola, you're exactly right.
	You're exactly right.
	Took them in the vans, took off, and then people were allowed to come back and try and save whatever the people that were still alive.
	So it's like so cold the way this is carried out.
	Yes.
	So it's so sinister.
	Yeah.
	Oh, those are excellent points, Oli.
	Go ahead, Cody.
	Yeah.
	Since I was offered the job to bomb this building, you know, I'm not bragging.
	I'm a professional.
	I've been trained in EOD and everything.
	They did that bombing op exactly how I would have done it.
	And here's what I think they did down there.
	Okay, they approached Timothy McVeigh.
	He was a Desert Storm guy.
	He's back here from the war after all that excitement and he's bored and he's up at Calspan.
	He's already pissed at the feds because they implanted him with a microchip and didn't tell him about it.
	And he always pissed because he saw what they did at the Waco compound that night with my friend Ron Cole.
	And he didn't like them machine gunning up civilians like that and then burning down The building to cover up their crimes, and he turned down civilian recruitment with the CIA at Benning because he didn't want to do all that stuff.
	And so he's up at Calspan, he's a security guard, he's bored, and they probably, it's a standard program of isolation and alienation, and they wait for a guy to get weird and then they offer him a job.
	And he had motivation to get back at the government for the microchip, the special forces thing, and what he saw at Waco.
	And so he was the patsy.
	He didn't know it.
	He's too dumb.
	I'm way too smart for that.
	I knew what they were doing.
	So McVeigh does the Ryder truck, and he was supposed to show up at the Murrah Building about 9 o'clock on April 19, 1995, right?
	Okay.
	They already had the bomb, as Olay is saying.
	Those three bombs were placed in the Murrah Building beforehand.
	Now, here was the cover for the op.
	You gotta look at this from a black operator's perspective.
	They were going to bomb a federal building.
	They knew that the aftermath would be highly public with a lot of TV and a lot of media coverage.
	So they had to have a cover for what they were doing.
	They were destroying the medical records.
	They were destroying the whitewater records.
	Alright, how are you going to do this and lay it off on a Patsy?
	Okay, how are you going to do it?
	Well, you prewire the building, then you tell the Patsy to show up at a certain time and detonate his truck bomb.
	Then when his truck bomb goes off, you detonate the bombs in the building at the same time, and thus, there's your cover.
	The cover was McVeigh with the truck bomb.
	They wanted to make sure those records were gone, so they put three different bombs.
	One of them was in the daycare center, because part of a PSYOP, from a black operator's perspective, from a PSYOP, you want the maximum number of casualties.
	And babies are preferable.
	I hate to say all this, but this is how they think.
	I'm telling you the truth here.
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	Exactly, exactly.
	So does General Parton have the right idea about this?
	I mean, he's been a leading expert on it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And let me just add, there were the two different seismic reports, you know, the one very modest from the truck bomb and then the far more massive.
	What demolitions were actually used here, Cody?
	Okay, well, what I would use The ammonium nitrate, there's no way it could take out steel billings.
	That type of explosive has a shockwave around it.
	I have degrees in mathematics and physics.
	I could talk for hours about all this, but it's a spherical shockwave.
	It has what they call spherical wave divergence.
	The further you park it away from something, as the wave of the blast goes outwardly in time, it dissipates by the square of the energy in the distance.
	There's no way that a truck bomb of ammonium nitrate and diesel would have the power to do that.
	Now, if I was going to wire that building and blow it up, which I turned down, I would have used C4 with a column.
	It has a real high detonation rate.
	Its detonation rate is approximately 26,000 feet per second, which is a real fast crack, and it's enough to cut steel.
	I'd also would have used some Composition B, which is more like ammonium nitrate, which has a bigger push.
	And you have to tamp the charges and put them in certain areas.
	Depends on the thickness of the beams and so forth.
	What you want to target is the structural beams and so forth.
	And then if you do have access to the nano-thermite, that's the new stuff.
	The nano-thermite is a very hot... I believe they used that in the Twin Towers in 9-11 later, but had I had access...
	to that equipment at that time.
	That's what I want.
	I would have used because what you want the building to do is collapse over and then cover up the truck bomb and cover as much as of the cover up operation.
	But Cody, the nanothermite doesn't have explosive force.
	I mean, it's an excellent incendiary to cut beams and steel, but but but it doesn't blow things apart.
	So, you know, that right, right.
	But I would use it in a way.
	Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	Cody, as far as I've been informed, there was a small little explosion at first, where gas was leaked out in the building, so that when the actual explosion occurred, the impact was multiplied many times.
	Do you know, is that correct?
	Yeah, I don't know about that.
	Like I said, I turned that particular op down.
	If you are operational, and your job is to destroy a building with the... You know, if you're overseas, you use Semtex or whatever's in the area, but here, we have American equipment.
	They stole this stuff out of the armories, no doubt.
	And you have C4, you have Comp B. If you have access, as Jim said, to the nanothermite, that's more of a burning agent.
	If you have anything in the civilian infrastructure that surrounds these buildings, Like natural gas pipelines or electrical transformers.
	What a bomber will do is he will use that infrastructure so that he has to minimize the amount of actual explosives and stuff that he brings in.
	This is an operational trick where, you know, what you want to do is have the minimum operational setup to get the building bombed.
	Okay?
	It's the minimum amount of equipment moved, the least number of people, This is a way you keep a black op quiet.
	That way if something sours up on the other end of the op and there's an investigation started, you have to go back and terminate the compromises.
	And so if you do have gas, big gas pipes, you would certainly use that type of thing in a bombing op.
	Okay?
	You would use it to enhance the effects of the charges you were setting.
	And whoever out there, Jim and Ole, whoever's out there, There are the people out there that really set those charges.
	They may be listening now.
	These are criminals to our country.
	These are traitors.
	They're guilty of treason against the United States.
	And they certainly are not going to come forward.
	I'm coming forward now because I didn't do the op.
	I'm not guilty of anything except telling the truth.
	But these people need to be prosecuted.
	They need to be put in prison.
	The real people behind the Murrah Building and the people who carry that op out And then laid it all at McVeigh's feet is the patsy who was executed in record time.
	These people need to be brought to justice because how do we know, Olay, how do we know, Jim, that they weren't the ones that went to 9-11 and put the nanothermite there?
	How do we know they're not the ones that went over to that Sheffield Tunnel thing in England?
	How do we know these people still aren't out here and they're not going to do another false flag in our country?
	Have you had any contact or collusion with a Mossad in any of these events?
	At one point, I studied martial arts for 20 years off and on, and I went to Japan at one time to do some studying over there.
	And one of the senseis over there, I know all their names, I do not want to say them in public, because they were not involved in any of this stuff.
	They were just teaching martial arts, but I don't want to tarnish their reputations.
	I respect them very highly.
	We had a number of people from SAS in England and various countries.
	It was high level martial arts training.
	It was combat training, sabotage, espionage and assassination.
	That's what we were studying.
	And one of my roommates at a certain sensei's house was a guy that worked for the Israeli Mossad.
	He wasn't a Mossad agent, and he was my bunkie there for a while.
	And it was a funny, you know, Olay and Jim, I spoke English, and he spoke Israeli, and my sensei there spoke Japanese.
	We couldn't communicate very well, but that was my only contact.
	It was not operational.
	The contact was merely incidental with the other operatives.
	If I were to ask for an enumeration of black ops of which you're aware that the government has perpetrated on the people, you know, since the Murah bombing, I mean, you mentioned, we've talked about Waco and Ruby Ridge and so forth.
	What others would you add to that list?
	You mean the ones that have already happened or the ones you think are going to happen?
	Well, let's go there too, but let's talk about the past and then anticipate the future.
	The ones that have already happened.
	Okay, well, yeah, you go to 9-11 and I could talk for several hours.
	I talked to some eyewitnesses there.
	I know quite a few people.
	We need to expand on that, Cody.
	This is so important.
	Let us continue our interview longer than our pre-designated duration to include this.
	It's very important.
	Talk about 9-11.
	Well, I was not involved in 9-11 whatsoever.
	However, on the morning of September 11, 2001, I was down in Colorado Springs, Colorado One of my op buddies, he was Captain Glenn Wilson was his name.
	He's deceased now from Agent Orange Stroke Cancer from drinking that paddy water.
	Captain Wilson did two tours in Vietnam and he got back and he did some liaisoning with the Defense Intelligence Agency.
	He was one of the guys that planned the operation.
	You guys may know more of this about me.
	In 1979 when our embassy in Tehran, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Is it Islamic Fundamentalist groups?
	They stormed the embassy to overthrow the Shah.
	You guys remember all that, right?
	Of course.
	In taking their country back, you know what people leave out, Cody, is that we destabilized their democratically elected government and installed the Shah in 1953.
	So we took out their democracy.
	Most Americans think it all began with the Iranians taking the embassy as though that were their hostile act against us, as though they initiated all this.
	Kermit Roosevelt, a cousin of Teddy, engineered this coup in Iran in 1953.
	Exactly, with Mozadek, yeah.
	So, anyway, that's absolutely right.
	So anyway, Captain Wilson here, he liaison with the D.I.A.
	to set up that op, and it failed miserably, and Carter got the political backlash, but anyway, he had been, he had died, okay?
	And his wife had called me, and I was helping her, and we had about 42 machine guns, belt-fed M60s and some M2s.
	These were all legal class 3 guns, registered in D.C., and she asked me to help clear the collection, so we cleared it all out, and I was busy getting rid of all that, and so we were sitting around on 9-11 on that day, and I told her, I was talking to her, And she goes, I got a funny feeling some weird stuff's going to happen.
	I said, I don't know.
	You know, uh, all I know is America has done a lot of dirty stuff overseas.
	Just like you were talking about, Jim, just like you were talking about with all these coups, they go around and do all this stuff around the world.
	Then they lie to the American people.
	So then when these terrorists attack us, you know, no one understands why.
	Right.
	That's an essential part of the op.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, on that day, I left, and then sure enough, on the drive home, on the radio, I heard all the sad news, and I immediately knew that was another op, you know.
	And then I saw the footage of the planes going in there and everything, and in my opinion, to make a long story short, there's been a lot said about this, if I had been offered that job, okay, to take those towers down, I would have had a large op team to do this, but from an operational black ops perspective, here's how I would have done it.
	Over there in World Trade Center 7, I would have set up a covert telemetry system with radio control of remote controlled aircrafts.
	That would be the cover for the operation.
	The cover like McVeigh with the Ryder truck.
	That was the cover.
	Because you know when the Twin Towers come down, there's going to be a lot of media, a lot of attention.
	So you have to have a cover that the civilians in the country you're operating in will believe.
	All right, so what's this cover?
	What I would have done was I would have went into the twin towers using a variety of explosives, especially nanothermite, because those towers were designed with big steel beams.
	They could withstand direct impact of multiple aircrafts.
	There's no way one aircraft could take them down.
	So you have to prewire them in the structural parts so that they'll kind of pancake down.
	And you prewire them with things like the nanothermite, as you mentioned, the real hot stuff.
	And you get it all pre-wired and set up, right?
	So then you have a story concocted about hijackers that took these planes.
	Well, there's nothing on those planes.
	They were just remote-controlled planes set up.
	And the telemetry equipment necessary to control those planes would be set up in an alternate site like the WCT-7.
	So then you have the place pre-wired.
	You fly the planes in.
	Now, that's the cover.
	That's what you're going to tell everyone.
	Okay?
	And then they hit.
	Uh, you detonate, the things fall, and then later you have to detonate the place where you were hiding all the telemetry equipment and the radio control equipment, because by that time the civilians have all showed up, the press is there, the cops are there, you can't move all that stuff out of the building in the alternate site, so you just detonate it in place.
	And that's why that one pancakes right now.
	I'm sure you've seen that.
	They were prepping Building 7 in the morning.
	Barry Jennings was in there and the explosives were going off and a stairwell was blown out from under them.
	They actually weren't able to use real planes, Cody, because they would have crumpled external to the building.
	The design was so sophisticated, so they had to fake it.
	That's a whole other story.
	The buildings didn't collapse.
	They were being blown apart from the top down and converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust.
	The tell being, when it was over, there was no stack of pancakes in their footprint.
	You had five and a half floors for Building 7, but nothing for the, you know, buildings more than twice that high.
	Should have been 13 and a half or 14 floors, but it wasn't there.
	They appear to have used a sophisticated arrangement of mini or micro nukes, and this appears to have been an Israeli job that we gave the Israelis hundreds of Davy Crockett tactical warhead nukes, and they took them back to Israel and refined them and then brought them back to the U.S.
	for use in the Twin Towers, believe it or not.
	Yeah, see, any of these ops, I was just given a general thing of how it could be done.
	It certainly could have been done that way.
	We've also heard of theories of Directed energy weapons, which I definitely have in this book.
	I have the story of Army Ranger Sequest who was down in Nicaragua on a covert op.
	They pulled him out of the Army Rangers from his MOS.
	He did secret back-offs like the ones they offered McVeigh.
	They take your DOD files and forge entries of where you were to cover it up, standard procedure.
	And he was on op teams and he saw some of those directed energy weapons being used down there.
	And so that whole story's in the book.
	The SDI thing with Reagan, you know, Star Wars defense initiative had been going on in the 80s.
	So it's very possible that some of those weapons may have been used later on in 2001 when the towers collapsed.
	Let me ask two or three kinds of questions, actually.
	One, we know about the corruption of Bill and Hillary.
	We know about the corruption of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, whose stealing the election was a necessity to get them into position to give us 9-11 so that we go to war in the Middle East to benefit Israel.
	What about Obama then?
	I mean, of course he brought Hillary and his Secretary of State.
	I mean, you started to say things that I agree with 100% about the degree of corruption and sadism of Hillary Clinton.
	I mean, I'm just dumbfounded by this woman, Cody.
	Well, I have talked to Jim and Olay.
	Directly to operatives that were at that embassy, you know, the Benghazi thing.
	Yeah.
	Where our three Navy SEALs were killed.
	Right.
	And Prince Stephen, she set them up.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	And they, these operatives were ex-Marine Corps guys who quit the Marine Corps and then they were working with their Prince in the Blackwater thing and other contracting things.
	And they, they were there that night.
	And they whispered in my ear, I don't want to say their names because I love these guys.
	I love them.
	And anyway, I'll tell you the story of what they told me.
	But first of all, you know, when we hit over there in Libya, Qaddafi, one of my associates, had had dinner with Qaddafi over there in his palace and had told me firsthand about some of that over there.
	And then later on, we went in there.
	That's when Hillary said that, you know, we came, we saw, we killed or whatever.
	Hillary Clinton is a witch.
	She's a witch, she's a satanic, she belongs to be tried for treason against the United States, alright?
	She's my enemy.
	The Clintons are my enemies.
	And they're enemies of light and freedom and truth.
	So anyway, to make a long story short, when they hit that over there, Obama and Hillary, they, uh, Gaddafi had a lot of gold, bullion.
	Yes.
	He'd been selling oil revenues, you know, the Russian stuff.
	So he had all that put up, and he had a lot of weapons, a lot of Russian weapons.
	And so they took him out, and they took the gold, and it went off to places unseen.
	I'm firmly convinced that Obama and the Clinton Interstate Department, that they stole that gold and got rich off of it.
	I have no operational intelligence on that, however.
	But the weapons, the Soviet weapons that were there for the Libyan Army, those weapons were then transferred to that station there, where all this fire pipe... Benghazi?
	Yeah, Benghazi.
	And they were en route to ISIS.
	Yeah, we're building ISIS up as a proxy army to go against Assad over in Syria, because the Saudis had a big pipeline deal, they wanted to run through there, and Assad said no, so the Saudis covertly put pressure on our government to get rid of both Qaddafi and Assad.
	And so what was happening there, I'll get to the story that my friend told me straight to my ear in just a second, but it's the background, you know, that we have to go through, so everyone will understand.
	Yeah, we're running all these arms through the embassy, right?
	They're lined with American people.
	And we had our pilots supposedly doing bombing runs against ISIS, coming off our carriers on the meds.
	I know some of the guys on the carriers, wonderful people, the Navy guys.
	And what they were doing was they would have a clear sight in the desert.
	There's a hundred Toyota trucks.
	There's no jungle canopy like in Vietnam or anything.
	You have clear of a line of sight.
	They request permission to fire.
	They were denied permission to fire, then they came back to the carriers and required a standard landing procedure to drop the ordnance, you know, before they land, so there's not a crash.
	Alright, so the pilots were all getting pissed off, going, we had a clear sight, why are you waving us off?
	And they're told to shut up and sign national security oaths.
	Because Obama and Clinton wanted to arm ISIS against Assad.
	Because ISIS was made in the USA!
	It's just disgusting, Cody.
	It's absolutely disgusting, but what you're saying confirms everything else we've put together.
	You've got it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, now this is an important point, and then I'm going to tell you this story.
	This is an eyewitness direct story.
	It hasn't been out in public that I know.
	Our guys had wing cameras.
	Standard procedure.
	You have wing cameras on your attack aircraft.
	Right.
	And so over here in America, on the civilian press, They're telling all our people, oh, we're fighting ISIS.
	Here's a picture of our Valiant Air Force guys shooting a column up.
	Well, what they did was they substituted the wing camera footage from the Soviet attack aircraft.
	And they put it over here on our news to dupe our people.
	Now, all this was going on.
	So the firefight broke out there that night, and here's what my associate told me to my ear.
	We were at a veterans rally somewhere, and we had just dedicated a plaque to the 19 Navy SEALs that got shot down in Afghanistan with Michael Murphy, who won the CMH, the Congressional Medal of Honor, posthumously there.
	And Michael Murphy's mother was there.
	I was there with the guys from SEAL Team 2, old guys, dedicating the plaque.
	on the POW wall there.
	And I went and hugged Michael Murphy's mother after that and told her, you know, I'm sorry you lost a son.
	I have no idea how that must felt.
	But I love you and the angels of light love you and we send you all our support and love.
	And so all in the middle of this was this Benghazi thing.
	And three of our Navy SEALs lost their lives that night.
	Well, my buddy was a contractor, CIA contractor.
	And he was near there and he was listening on the radio.
	They had equipment and everything and they had all their gear there.
	And so when this firefight started, they heard it all and he wanted to go real bad.
	But they kept getting orders, stand-down orders from the State Department.
	And they had air assets that were ready to go, too, and they were all ordered down.
	Meanwhile, this firefight kept going, and three different times, he requested to go.
	I want to go.
	They said, no, stand down.
	You're a contractor.
	You signed a national security oath.
	You don't work for the military anymore.
	You're working for us, so you sit still.
	He was ordered down.
	Finally, after three times, He couldn't stand it.
	Semper Fi.
	Semper Fi.
	He was in the Marine Corps.
	He loved his country.
	He was a patriot like Tim McVeigh.
	He was a patriot like me.
	He said this shadow government stuff is bullshit.
	So he grabbed his gear and he went and got in a firefight.
	Now he knew he was going to lose his contracting job and everything.
	But he didn't care.
	He wanted to go help our guys.
	I don't know if you guys have ever been under fire or anything.
	But when you have a man, and your life is there, and your life is his, and his life is yours, there's a brotherhood bond that is... You're fighting for each other.
	That's right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So anyway, he came, and he fought, and he told me he spent seven hours in that firefight.
	And the first thing the insurgents did was blow the top off that embassy there with Russian mortars.
	And then they attacked with small arms, which is, you know, standard tactics.
	So they got in that big firefight and all, and Hillary Clinton And Obama was scared to death that those insurgents and this situation would lead to the uncovering of their covert operations.
	Because, see, the insurgents operating in that area, they knew that we were taking Qaddafi's arms and arming ISIS.
	And ISIS was over there butchering people and killing them and killing their countrymen, so they came over there to stop the arms, which was what our embassy was.
	And Bill and Hillary Clinton ordered to stand down because they wanted the embassy destroyed.
	They wanted all the evidence destroyed so they could lay it off on the insurgents.
	They sacrificed the lives of our ambassador, they sacrificed the lives Of our Navy SEALs, and I've worked with some of them, I have nothing but absolute, pure respect for those guys.
	Okay?
	And it makes me mad right now, even talking about this.
	Yes.
	Because Bill, because Hillary Clinton and Obama are sniveling, lying little politicians.
	They don't know the first thing about honor and integrity.
	And they got rich.
	They got rich with that stolen gold while they were selling out our country.
	And our American servicemen were dying.
	And then Hillary, and then they started covering it all up.
	Well, my buddy made it back out of that firefight.
	He survived.
	And he told me a whole bunch more stuff, but he whispered this stuff to me at the Veterans Rally into my ear.
	He put his lips right up to my ear, and I thought, jeez, they're going to think we're faggots or something, but I don't care.
	Yeah.
	But I'm sorry I'm getting so emotional.
	No, no, no.
	Cody, Cody, Cody.
	Have you got any report or feedback from the revelations of WikiLeaks that's exposing so much of this?
	I mean, there are WikiLeaks that lead directly to Hillary and Benghazi and all that.
	I mean, it's really, you know, nasty, nasty stuff.
	Completely consistent with what you're reporting here.
	Yeah, Jim and Olay.
	I know Olay knows a lot of stuff, too.
	I hate to hog this whole talk.
	No, no, no.
	You're here.
	You are our guest.
	You are the guy.
	You are it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, anyway, this whole deal is about the shadow government sellout of our country, okay?
	And they're using all this deception and stuff.
	I believe that Barack Obama is a traitor to the United States Constitution.
	I believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton are definitely traitors.
	They're criminals.
	Yes.
	And the reason I'm coming forward with my little piece of the puzzle, I died twice in the hospital in Project Slammer.
	It was a CIA program.
	We can talk about that later.
	But I've seen a lot of things out in the field.
	I was in Panama when Noriego went down.
	I've been out on Central America, South America, Africa, all around.
	Over in Asia and Tokyo and so forth.
	I've seen a lot of things first hand.
	I've shut my mouth.
	That was our job, was to conduct operations and satisfy our principal's requirements without any blowback.
	So that's what we did.
	And I survived that.
	But now I'm here because I love our country.
	My father was at Pearl Harbor.
	He wasn't my father, he was my stepdad.
	But he was at Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941.
	Uh, he went to Fort Hood in 37, took his basic, went through the Pacific Command.
	Uh, and he was there December 7, 41, Pearl Harbor.
	Then he went to Guadalcanal, fought the big battle there in November of, uh, 42, I believe it was.
	And then in, and then into the Highway Patrol.
	And we were here, and he was watching Bill Clinton when he was still alive one day.
	And he turned off the, picked up the remote, turned it off, and he got mad.
	He got red-faced mad.
	I've never seen him quite like that.
	And he said, that goddamn Bill Clinton.
	He said, that man is a traitor to the Constitution.
	He is a disgrace to the office of the presidency.
	He said, do you know how many men I saw die in the foxholes in Guadalcanal?
	Do you know all the men?
	Then he started telling me the Pearl Harbor stories, how they rescued those guys out of the Arizona before it sunk, and all the people burned with the diesel that was on fire.
	They piled all the bodies up in front of the Schofield Barracks there at the hospital.
	He told me these horrendous stories at Pearl.
	He was about to cry.
	He said, that man is disgracing all of our veterans, all the people that suffered to make this country what it is.
	He said, I can't believe someone like that is our president.
	These people, the reason I'm coming forward now, Is because I believe America's at a crossroads.
	And the world's at a crossroads.
	It's not just our country.
	The New World Order and the bankers and all this shadow government crap.
	Enough is enough.
	It's time that we expose them with the truth and we stand up.
	And what I want to do, Jim and Olay, is just say right here, I am not afraid anymore.
	I will not shut my mouth anymore.
	I am going to speak The truth that I know, it's not very much, it's just little bits here and there.
	I want to put it with the other people out there.
	I know there's a lot of guys like me that lived and saw this and shut their mouth.
	They don't want to lose their VA pensions.
	They don't want to lose their medical benefits and all that, and they're scared, so they shut up.
	It's time that we brought these things to light, and it's time that we stood together as not only Americans, but human beings.
	What kind of world are we going to hand down to our children?
	Are we going to hand down a world of covert shadow government, Benghazi, and dope in Afghanistan, and all these wars and killing and crap?
	Or are we going to create a world that's more filled with light?
	And so, it'll be hard, and I'm just trying to do my little part, and my hands are sweating.
	I'm not used to talking.
	I'm used to hiding behind a black ski mask like we did for 20 years.
	Cody, you have my unqualified admiration.
	I want to invite Ole to offer a few observations here by way of concluding, but I can't tell you how much I admire you for coming forward and speaking the truth about these experiences you know firsthand or from others who were there themselves.
	This is extremely telling, very important.
	The American people have to understand the rotten core that has been the American government for the last 30, 40 years.
	Ole.
	Can I also say that should anything, anything at all happen to Cody here or people that are close to him, loved ones, then let it amplify what he's saying.
	It will just confirm what he's saying.
	It will not shut it down.
	On the contrary.
	So, and please, Cody, can you say the precautions you have made with doctors and so on just to Okay, any potential threat against you?
	Yeah, it took me four years to write this book, and then I had to live all of it first, and then I had to stay alive first.
	And when I was in the solitary cell laying on the floor naked and weak from hunger and all the things, blah, blah, blah, I suffered, but I kept hope alive in my heart.
	And I'm the only one that made it out of there about the Oklahoma City bombing.
	McVeigh's dead, Nichols is doing life without parole.
	Kerry Gagin, who moved the explosives down, I told you that story.
	He disappeared in the medical facility in Springfield, Missouri, probably drugged out of his mind.
	I'm the only one out of that group that made it out to tell these stories.
	Say that again, tell me what you said the last... Oh, he wanted to know what precautions you've taken should something happen to you.
	Okay, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, before I started releasing this out and talking here in the last week or so, I went to my doctor.
	He has a top secret clearance.
	He works on a lot of military guys.
	And he's been my doctor 26 years.
	So I had an appointment with him.
	I went in, blood test, everything.
	I told him I'm not taking any drugs whatsoever except for the medications he gives me for diabetes and pain meds.
	And that's all I take.
	And I said, if my body's found with any puncture marks or stray chemicals, then I was certainly murdered by the shadow government.
	And I showed him a copy of the book and told him I'm fixing to go public about a lot of real high-level black ops, CIA involvement, pedophile rings, Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Obama, all of this stuff.
	Um, and I said, I fully expect I'm probably going to be killed.
	Okay.
	So I want you to know if they find my body, um, that that's what happened.
	I am not, I repeat, I am not going to commit suicide.
	You know, I'm not going to do it.
	Um, so that's the Clinton standard black ops team.
	Like they did Vince Foster, Seth Rich, Jim, I bet, you know, all the names, Susan McDougal, Jim McDougal.
	I just want to say that I have a lot more information.
	This book is coming out.
	of them all killed yeah it's unbelievable I know it's grotesque grotesque Cody I can't thank you yeah go ahead I just want to say that um the uh I have a lot more information this book is coming out we have cd copies we've already mailed out to a lot of different people and um I just want to say one thing that's at the very back of the book In the front of the book, I have a picture of a stepdad, Jimmy Howard.
	The Pearl Harbor Survivors Association was there at his funeral.
	The National President of the Pearl Harbor Association was there.
	It was a big thing, the governor's office.
	I have a story in the book about that.
	It's a very moving story for our veterans.
	This book is dedicated to our veterans.
	It's dedicated to our military and police guys.
	A lot of those firefighters that went in at 9-11 breathed asbestos there.
	They're sick now.
	They're suffering.
	Our veterans are suffering in the VA hospitals.
	We do healing work for the VA, the hospital, the Wings of Warriors.
	We help these people.
	I see these guys firsthand with Agent Orange and with all this Gulf War Syndrome crap and their hands shaking and all of the things.
	These veterans are suffering and nobody cares about them.
	I dedicated this book to them and I just want to say one thing at the end of the book and then I'll be done here.
	It says, fear of death is a strong enforcer of silence.
	But guilt, like heart disease, can be a silent killer for the guilty.
	And so all you guys out there that know anything about 9-11 or about any of these ops, please step forward like me.
	Step forward.
	Overcome your fear of death.
	Look these people, look these satanic people in the eye and tell them we are not afraid.
	We are going to take our nation and our world back away from you with the light.
	Cody, I can't thank you enough for coming forward, and Oli, I'm so grateful to you for setting this up.
	Cody, we want to hear more from you.
	We need to hear more from you.
	I just say, on behalf of the American people, we owe you a profound debt, and it's crucial that this information gets out.
	This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, thanking Uli Dammegard for setting things up with Cody Snodgrass.
	I'm in awe, stunned.
	The revelations are simply breathtaking, and I look forward, Cody, to speaking with you again.
	This is Jim Fetzer on behalf of The Real Deal.
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