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Sept. 18, 2024 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, Governor Tim Walls here.
How the hell are you?
I'm doing fine, Governor.
Thanks for calling.
Oh, hey, don't mention it.
Hey, did you watch last night?
Did you watch the presidential debate on ABC and CNN?
I did, as a matter of fact.
Wow.
What an absolutely stellar performance by Vice President Kamala Harris.
Boy, I am proud to be her running mate.
And I'm going to have some big shoes to fill following that act when I debate JD Vance.
Uh-huh.
And didn't Donald Trump just seem weird?
Oh, dude.
Didn't he seem weird to you?
Not really.
He seemed like the same Donald Trump we've seen for the past nine years.
Yeah, well, I just thought he was weird.
Something really weird about that guy.
You're really trying to make that weird thing stick, aren't you?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I mean, he's weird.
Going on stage and saying the immigrants are eating dogs and cats in Springfield, Ohio.
Are you kidding me?
If that's not weird and racist, I don't know what is.
Eating cats is a racist dog whistle and cat whistle for that matter.
Do you know for a fact that that's not happening?
No, but I know for sure that it's racist to say that it is happening.
Here's a little advice, Jimmy.
Anytime anyone says anything about immigrants or foreigners eating dogs or cats, that person is racist.
So there's nowhere on the planet where people actually eat dogs or cats.
Of course not, Jimmy.
Think how weird that would be.
Eating a dog?
Give me a break.
The racist imagination is something else, Jimmy.
I have a story that would directly contradict what you just said, but okay.
Oh, well, you know, I was kind of implying that that was a dumb thing to think.
But forget about all that baloney.
We're bearing the lead here.
Of course, Kamala rocked the debate.
We knew she was going to.
We knew that we were not dealing with serious people.
In this election, she and I are the grown-ups in the room.
Here's the big news: Taylor Swift endorsed us.
KK herself?
Can you believe it?
Squee!
I can't stop pinching my nipples.
That's great, Governor.
Very happy for you.
That's not weird at all.
That's not weird.
With Taylor on our side, I tell you what, we are now an unstoppable force.
A true juggernaut.
And Jimmy, Jimmy, I tell you what, I'm a huge Swifty.
I'm proud of it.
I'm not ashamed to say it.
And like my wife and daughter, and I say, this is Taytay's world.
We're just living in it.
Yeah, so they say.
And I found out in the coolest way possible.
I was on with Rachel Maddow, you know, doing her show.
And man, I just love her.
She is wonderful.
And Jimmy, I swear to God, it was like this just in moment.
She stopped what she was saying, and she read Taylor Swift's entire Instagram post on here.
Cat Lady Barton Hall.
And I was just floored.
I was so moved, I put my hand on my heart.
From the bottom of my heart, I really hate you, and I hate talking to you.
But what's even though this is a spot-out impression, I just hate, I hate it.
I hate him.
I hate what they're doing.
I hate that the military-industrial complex and the deep state is behind these pieces of it.
Anyway, what's go ahead?
Getting back to this to the sketch.
Well, all right, duly noted.
What songs does she sing again?
Jimmy, it's not so much about her music itself, but the unimaginable struggles Taylor has been through to get where she is today.
Really?
Like, what struggles?
Nobody knows.
Yeah, I know.
Okay.
But I tell you what, with Day Day on our side, we've got that youth vote locked down.
That voter base will be even more energized than they already were.
White House, here we come.
Do you honestly think that Taylor Swift's endorsement will change anyone's mind?
Jimmy, this is Taylor Swift we're talking about here.
I don't want to tell you how to run your show, but I'd watch you when it comes to questioning the cultural influence of this absolute Titan.
The last thing you want is the Swifties coming after you.
Trust me, they can be vicious.
Pretty sure I've dealt with worse.
You think young people who are not supporting Harris because of the Gaza genocide will come around now because of Taylor Swift?
I don't see why not.
I sure would.
She offered no substantive plan to move forward and end that conflict.
Jimmy, today is the 23rd anniversary of the darkest day in American history.
Kamala and I are both taking time to reflect what that tragedy means today for all Americans.
And nothing.
I just wanted to say that right there.
Seemed like a good out.
Is there something connecting that and what's going on in Gaza?
I'd probably have to talk to the campaign guys to see what the answer is there.
You know, just to be safe.
Sure.
You sure you don't want to take a stab at it on your own there?
Russia did both.
Okay, fair enough.
Well, thanks for calling, Governor.
You're an admirable addition to the Harris Cambay.
And congrats on the Taylor Swift thing.
And it doesn't matter because the deep state's going to throw this thing anyway.
Oh, thanks, Jimmy.
We're going to celebrate that one for sure.
The Taylor Swift part.
Gonna throw some brats on the grill.
Broad summer isn't over yet.
Get some potato salad, the yellow kind.
Kamala might have a few glasses of Pinot Gregio.
I'm more of an IPA guy myself.
So a 9-11 barbecue.
Oh, shit, that's right.
God damn it.
Oh, well, I'll get the hang of this eventually.
Always a real pleasure, Jimmy.
Good talking to you.
This is Colonel Tim Walls of the Swifty Army.
Signing off.
And don't tell anyone, but there's talk of promoting me to Brigadier General if we win.
Bye.
Bye, you fucking piece of shit.
Establishment media sets of arguments fighting so good luck on bullshit we can't afford life.
Watch and see as a jack dog.
Comedy who speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on.
It's the chimney tour show.
So J.D. Vance went on.
He's went, Trump made the big mistake of instead of just talking about immigration and Haitian immigrants and what dropping 20,000 Haitian immigrants into a city of 60,000 people in the Midwest would do.
It'd cause problems.
That's not the Haitian immigrants' fault.
It's our imperialism fault, right?
And what we're doing to Haiti.
But J.D. Vance decided to go.
And so Trump, like a guy who looks like he wants to lose an election, runs around talking about Haitians eating cats and dogs instead of talking about the actual problem, which is a winning issue for him.
He can't help but F it up.
So J.D. Vance went on TV on Sunday and all different shows to talk about it, try to defend them talking about cats and dogs being eaten instead of about the real problem.
And then he went online.
He went on Twitter and watch this internet.
I had an interaction, but watch this.
He says, if you were to ask what caused me to change my tune about President Trump from 2016 to 2020, I would give you a few reasons.
But what we're seeing in Springfield really drives it home.
He's talking about Springfield, Ohio.
Now he's from Ohio.
Housing costs have skyrocketed.
Communicable diseases on the rise.
Car accidents, crime, and insurance premiums moving up.
Citizens complaining for months or longer and mostly ignored.
Okay, again, that's not the fault of the Haitians.
Okay.
But it's not just what's happening.
It's the way our leadership responds to it.
Now he's getting closer.
He's getting closer because what the manufacturing base wants is cheap fucking labor.
That's why they brought those Haitians to Springfield, Ohio for the cheap labor so they could pay them less than they would pay Americans.
Because Americans, yes, that's what this is.
So instead of sending the jobs to Haiti, they just wreck Haiti and then bring the desperate people here to work for substandard wages.
That's what's happening.
Okay.
The businesses get money to hire the migrants that you didn't vote to make legal.
Purdue, remember Purdue Chicken fired all their employees and hired cheap amnesty people because they were getting funded by the government to do it.
That's right.
So back to this.
It's the way the leadership responds to it.
Confronted with many of their citizens begging for relief, our broken elites offer only scorn.
He's right about that.
And he gets it half right.
It is racist, they tell us, to get angry at being unable to afford a home or to complain about being again, quit blaming the people with no money and no power.
If you find yourself not able to afford a home and you're blaming someone lower on the economic ladder than you, pretty good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you.
Okay.
That's this.
This is the classic, let's get poor workers to hate on even poor, more desperate people.
And that's what J.D. Vance is playing into.
It is racist, they tell us, to get angry at being unable to afford a home or to complain about being unable to drive a car safely down the streets paved by your neighbors or to call 911 because strangers are slaughtering geese in a public park.
They have ignored this town's problems for years.
Now they pay attention not to focus their considerable wealth and power on helping their fellow citizens, but to use their platform as a weapon against those who dare to notice that their lives have gotten worse.
So again, he gets it half right, but he's blaming.
He then says they are here legally, they tell us.
Yes, they are here legally because Kamala Harris granted temporary protective status to 100,000 Haitians.
But Kamala Harris waived the magic amnesty wand is not a justification for the presence of 20,000 newcomers in Springfield.
It is an indictment of her despicable orphan vote.
So he's getting closer to blaming the right people.
Because if you're a desperate Haitian whose country has been screwed over by the United States imperialism for over 100 years, you would come here too.
So it's not the Haitians' fault that corporations and that Kamala Harris is flooding the country with more desperate poorer people.
So it's Kamala Harris.
It's not there.
It's Kamala.
So he's getting closer.
Nothing justifies violence or the threat of violence levied against Springfield or its residents.
We condemn both, but the existence of threats doesn't justify silencing those who wish to petition their leadership for a better life.
There is no heckler's veto in our country.
Donald Trump was shot in the head, and yet they still call him a threat to democracy.
No heckler's vetoes in this country.
We'll try working the humor hole in Waukegan on a Friday night.
Am I right?
Anyway, anyway.
So here, I just want to, he says, yes, it is Kamala Harris who is a threat to democracy.
It is Kamala Harris who would rather import new voters than persuade the ones who are already here.
He's so close to getting it right.
It is Kamala Harris who would rather ignore the citizens of Springfield than undo the policies that hurt them.
It is Kamala Harris who would rather censor her fellow Americans than listen to them.
What we are seeing from Kamala Harris and her enablers in the media is disgusting.
And there is only one person who has consistently stood up to Kamala Harris and the entire corrupt system she represents.
So he's closer.
There's its corrupt system.
It's the corrupt system.
So don't hate on the immigrant who's who we made desperate with our imperialism.
There is only one person who has consistently fought for the people Kamala Harris laps or ignores.
That's Donald Trump.
Okay.
So then this guy, Zayed Jelani, he says Springfield was declining for years until they saw an increase in jobs and growth driven by people moving in.
That means more wealth, healthier budgets, etc.
Are there no upsides to immigration in your view?
What about Usha's parents?
Should they have stayed in India?
He's talking about his wife.
Does she come with the 20,000 mass bomb migration from Washington people who wouldn't allow them in Martha's Vineyard?
Do you recall when they bust the people to the places where the Democrats live?
And when they said, we cannot absorb this.
We don't have the infrastructure to help these people.
We have to ship them out of Martha's Vineyard.
What about all the benefits that immigrants provide?
No, there's upsides, of course, just not for the residents of Springfield.
It's for the conglomerate.
Unbelievable.
So, J.D. Vance responds.
He said what I said.
He just said what I said.
He says, dude, I've always liked you, so maybe this should be a longer conversation.
But come on, are there no upsides to immigration?
It's a radically different question from should we drop 20,000 people from a radically different culture in a small Ohio town in a matter of a few years.
Again, he's getting it.
He's correct on that.
He's getting it half right.
Yeah, that part's 100% right.
First of all, remember that I've been on this issue for months, well before it became viral.
You have actual leftists who will say, look, housing prices have gone up.
It's great for the local residents.
What about the people who don't own homes?
What about the grandparents who do own homes but would like their kids to have a chance to buy a home?
Look at the number of Medicaid recipients who are newcomers.
Do you not think that stresses the local hospital system?
I have constituents who say they've lost their jobs or been told they won't be getting a raise because new migrants are willing to work for cheap.
He's so close to getting it right.
He just won't tell you the whole truth.
There are homeless people who can't get homes.
Look at the numbers of ESL students in a small school district increasing over threefold to nearly 1,000 kids.
Do you think it affects the quality of the education for locals when their schools are flooded with a bunch of people who don't speak the language?
I could go on and on.
Again, a longer conversation, but I don't know why your automatic assumption is that the only reason people are complaining about this is that they have bad motivations.
And I cannot stand the condescension directed at all these people who on the record are giving very specific testimonials about how their lives were made worse.
So here's what I say back to that.
I say the part you're leaving out is those Haitian refugees are created by the oligarchs, the same oligarchs that fund J.D. Vance.
Western economic hitmen and imperialism.
So that's the part he won't ever tell you.
He won't ever tell you that.
He'll blame his political opponent.
He'll even mention a corrupt system, but he won't tell you what that system actually is.
They love to see workers, the oligarchs, Western economic hitmen, imperialists, they love to see workers turn on even poor, more desperate people instead of turning their attention on the people who created those refugees in the first fucking place.
Kamala Harris is busy creating more Haitian refugees as people lash out at their neighbors instead of the oligarchs who are creating them.
You should point this out, J.D. Vance.
Trump and you would be doing a service if you pointed out what the root cause of the problem is instead of focusing on the result, which makes people turn on the desperate refugees U.S. economic hitmen and imperialism has created.
I haven't heard him or Trump ever, or the news media, by the way, talk about why there's 20,000 Haitians in a town of 60,000 people in the middle of Ohio.
Well, here's one of the reasons that they won't ever tell you about.
Don't believe for a second the Democratic Party gives an F about Haitians any more than Trump.
This was Hillary and Obama's administration.
Biden said the U.S. Empire wouldn't care if all of Haiti sank into the ocean.
Unsurprising statement, considering his nickname is Genocide Joe.
So when the minimum wage in Haiti was raised to 61 cents an hour, Hillary Clinton's State Department intervened on behalf of American garment manufacturers and had it cut in half to 31 cents.
So don't believe for a second that Kamala Harris or the Democrats give a shit about poor Haitians.
They're the ones creating the poor Haitians and making them desperate enough to move to someone else's other country to find work and affordable housing.
Here's a little bit more.
In 1914, the U.S. military, how long has this been going on, Jim?
In 1914, the U.S. unilaterally seized the entirety of Haitians' gold reserves and transported the gold directly to the vault of a Wall Street bank.
The next year, it invaded Haiti and occupied it for 20 years.
And now we're giving them your job.
And now we can screw over Americans by giving those desperate people your job for a wage lower than you'll take.
Here's another one.
On this day in 1915, U.S. Marines invaded Haiti, beginning a brutal 19-year occupation, which killed 15,000 and returned slavery to the island.
Finally, the Americans looted Haiti's wealth, stole 100,000 of acres of land, and secured harsh control over the country for U.S. business interests.
That's called economic hitmen.
That's what go ahead.
Remember when Laura Silsby tried to traffic 30 kids out of the country and Bill Clinton went and made sure to get her out of jail?
Yep.
And it was just a mistake.
She didn't do the paperwork, but it was her second trip.
So she actually got some kids out the first trip.
And so now that Haiti, which we've reported, they're starting to, the people on the street level are starting to organize themselves and come together.
The capitalist and the economic hitman can't have that.
Again, this is the part of the story Trump and J.D. Vance will never tell you.
And so they're coming together and they're getting rid of the puppet government that's a puppet of the United States.
Well, the United States can't have that.
So what is the United States doing?
The Biden administration overrides the GOP and authorizes $109 million to pay Kenyans to come do imperialism in Haiti.
So they're paying lower, Jimmy, than they pay other people, by the way.
Yes, it's right.
Seems a bit lower.
So we have a stranglehold on Kenya.
And so we got Kenya to go there to do our dirty work.
And what they're doing there is to put to suppress and oppress and tamp down the uprising of the people who are actually coming together in Haiti.
And who's funding that?
The United States.
So we can make sure that the Haitians stay poor and desperate.
And that's what's happening.
Exclusive, U.S. seeks to turn Kenyan mission in Haiti into a UN peacekeeping operation.
Meaning, making sure we can keep control with a puppet government and so that the people of Haiti never ever get underneath out from underneath the boot of U.S. imperialism.
This is the story that JD Vance won't tell you.
They want to make it about the immigrants are the problem and Kamala Harris instead of the people who pull Kamala Harris's strings and tell her and Joe Biden what to do, which is the billionaire class, the same billionaire class that funds J.D. Vance and Donald Trump.
They'll never tell you this.
That's why Donald Trump wanted to overthrow the government of Venezuela so we could steal their oil.
Except Trump is such a political novice, he says that quiet part out loud.
Hey, wait, Jimmy, Venezuela is another place we're being flooded with immigrants by.
That's another place we're being flooded with immigrants by Venezuela, who Trump put sanctions on to make it such a hard time to live there that people would flee there or overthrow their government.
So the hardest programming to break is a bunch of people, even when they see how fucked everything is, to make them understand that, no, actually, America's not a force for good in the world.
That's right.
Like Stephen Colbert says.
Oh, I've heard it from at least five to ten people.
So that's a parrot idiot mind control phrase as far as I'm concerned.
If you say, I believe America is a fool for good, you are a moron.
You have never read any history because we're not.
And this is happening right now.
That's a headline from September 4th of this year.
That's happening right now.
We are invading Haiti so we can suppress their people in their uprising, their populist uprising, and keep a puppet in power or install a new one that serves the imperialists and the economic hitmen.
Here's what Dan Cohen says: There's no doubt that suddenly importing tens of thousands of foreigners into a small town will have dramatic consequences and engender resentment from the residents.
But pretending this starts at the border is naive at best and disingenuous.
Permanent Washington, permanent Washington, has long meddled in Haiti's affairs via invasions, occupations, multiple coups, and is now engineering another military occupation of Haiti with hundreds of millions of American tax dollars.
If you pay for it, and by the way, no one will tell you this.
PBS, CBS, New York Times, they won't tell you this.
If we'd stop destabilizing countries under the guise of democracy promotion, then we wouldn't have these immigration crises in the first place.
Will you pledge, if elected, to abandon the Biden administration's policy of meddling in Haitian affairs?
Well, of course, he won't.
Dan, J.D. Vance won't address that.
Jimmy, ask Peter Thiel if it's okay.
Ask Peter Thiel.
Here's what.
Can we stop doing that?
Peter Thiel, who has Palanter.
Look up what Palanter is.
Anya Parrimpel, who wrote a book about Venezuela and was our guest on this show, she says same thing with Venezuelans, Hondurans, Syrians, and any other minority group that has migrated here in recent years.
It always begins with our government's crimes abroad.
Then our media and politicians use the problems they created to divide us and call us racist and xenophobic.
This cycle can only stop when this truth is spoken and addressed.
So J.D. Vance will not speak that truth.
So this cycle will not stop.
So I know I have a lot of people who watch this show who are J.D. Vance and Trump fans, and I will work with them on anything that I agree with them on.
And closing the border is one of them.
But the bigger problem is to stop creating desperate migrants and stop screwing up other people's countries that make them.
No more spreading democracy.
Why is your business?
So when you see something called the NED, the National Endowment for Democracy, that's the CIA being, we're doing the bidding of the economic hitmen, meaning the corporations who want to go in and exploit a country.
And they're not spreading democracy.
What they're spreading is imperialism and oppressing the people and stealing their natural resources.
That's what they're doing it to you.
They're doing it to people here.
And now they're doing it.
And you're not doing it to other people.
So now they're screwing you out of good jobs by making those people who they just made desperate and bringing them here to take your jobs.
It's a great system.
It's a really ecosystem.
That's the part of the story.
So J.D. Vance and Trump get it half right.
But the biggest part of that story, they leave out.
Why?
Because they work for those economic hitmen.
Trump bragged about it, how he wanted to steal the oil in Venezuela because Venezuela wanted to keep it for themselves.
They didn't want to give it to ExxonMobil.
They didn't want to give it to Shell Oil or BP.
And that's why we're doing everything we're doing to Venezuela.
And that's why we're doing everything we're doing to Haiti.
And that no matter, or Syria, right now we're occupying a third of Syria.
Which third?
The oil part.
So, again, all those, most of those refugees in Western Europe, we did it in Iraq.
We did it in Libya.
We did it in Syria.
We're the ones creating those refugees, just like we created the Haitian refugees, just like we created the Venezuelan refugees.
And that's the part the corporate media won't tell you because they're owned by the people who did it, just like J.D. Vance is owned by the people who did it.
Well, he's funded by them.
Same thing with the corporate media.
And so you have to come to a show like this to get the other side of the story.
So if you get a chance to talk to JD Vance or Trump, you should bring this up because if I get a chance to talk to them, this is exactly what I'll bring up.
But instead, they want to talk about geese and they want to talk about cats and dogs instead of the real problem.
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So big news: there's a big, massive strike happening at Boeing.
You know, Boeing, where the doors are flying off and safety standards have been completely abandoned, except they keep giving their CEOs hundreds of millions of dollars.
So 33,000 machinists are walking off the job, demanding better wages and an end to the aerospace giants' wanton violation of safety standards for its own profit.
Boy, I would Boeing is a corporation that has a greater safety record when nobody shows up for work, just so you know.
So here, here is one of their union meetings.
Looks like they're eating a lot of seed oils, but here we go.
I'm sorry.
Strike, strike, strike, strike!
So I don't know why I was expecting to see more people there, but maybe some of Boeing's problems stem from the fact that they're using 30 people to do everything.
So Dan Price writes, Boeing workers are going on strike after Boeing fired its CEO in 2020 after two plane crashes that killed lots of people.
And then they paid that CEO $62 million to leave after he cut 16,000 jobs.
Come on.
Before him, they fired the previous CEO and gave him $44 million to leave.
Most recent CEO just left after getting a 45% raise to $33 million.
The 737 MAX crashes killed 346 people.
And the company pled guilty to a felony.
Its punishment, zero executives went to jail and a fine equal to 0.6% of its actual revenue, annual revenue.
It got $17 billion in taxpayer bailout during the pandemic.
Boeing got $17 billion.
You know how much the music industry makes in a year?
$12 billion.
That's every CD, every music tape, every record, every concept, everything.
$12 billion a year.
They got $17 billion from the government for nothing.
Wow, Jimmy, that's enough to pay for a hitman to take out two whistleblowers and make it look like you didn't do it.
That's enough.
In 2010s, it spent almost all of its cash, $43 billion, in stock buybacks, not investing it in the company or paying their workers.
No, capitalism is great, Jeremy.
What do you want socialism?
Oh, we want to be a communist capitalism.
I'm just trying to be in the dialectic.
And then at the end, after they did that, at the end of that decade, they cut 27,000 jobs.
Nice.
Capitalism works.
Nice.
Let's all praise capitalism and never talk bad about it because clearly it's great.
And you should just, your fear of communism should make you allow them to do this to you forever.
Yep.
In 2013, it got record $8.7 billion subsidy from Washington State.
And then it cut 17,000 jobs and then moved 30,000 more jobs to South Carolina, which has fewer worker protections.
Oh, I know some Haitians that would love that job.
So the smart money is on the Boeing CEO hoping another plane goes down.
And it's easy street.
It's easy street for the CEO after that.
Who knows you could get rich quick from making a plane crash with your deliberate negligence?
No kidding.
Do you know what their slogan is?
Their slogan is Boeing, where failure isn't an option because it comes standard.
So here is the union leader Goes on with CNN host, and let's watch.
It has been a difficult few years for Boeing, to say the least.
Earlier this year, a Boeing plane lost a door plug mid-flight.
Now the company risks temporarily losing some 20% of its workforce.
After years of losing money and two fatal crashes, the aircraft manufacturer is now facing a factory strike that its CFO says could jeopardize its recovery.
But it's union members.
And just keep this in mind.
After years of losing money, why would they be losing money?
They have no competitor in the United States.
How are you running a business that loses money, but you make all this extra money?
Right.
How would that be possible?
Oh, you lost money?
Here's $44 million.
Thanks for coming in and losing money.
Do people think this is a real country they live in?
Here we go.
It'll unanimously voted down the company's first contract offer, which included a 25% pay increase.
By the way, 96% of the union people voting voted down the contract.
That is almost unheard of.
You need to have two-thirds of them voting so that at least 67% have to vote for a strike for a strike to go into to be implemented.
So you often get 70%, 70.96% of the people voting voted for a strike.
That's saying something.
And so this is what they turned down.
25% pay increase.
The union is seeking 40%.
Why?
Because they've been cutting jobs and cutting their money and not getting pay increases for years as the CEOs and the management making and $43 billion in stock buybacks.
They got the money.
How about the company recover?
Hang it.
How about 25%, just that?
But they get that CEO and put him in a powdered wig and knee socks and they get to watch him get guillotined.
I would take that if I worked it.
Okay, let's watch.
Of stagnant wages.
Just last year, Boeing's now-departed CEO received a 45% pay hike despite the company's failure to turn a profit since 2018.
I spoke with the president of the union that represents most of the workers on strike, John Holden, earlier this evening.
Here's our conversation.
John, thanks so much for being here with us.
We appreciate your time this afternoon.
Thanks.
Happy to be here.
Yeah, I just want to ask you first if you were surprised when your members rejected this deal that union leadership negotiated, called the best deal it had ever gotten with Boeing.
No, I'm not.
I know that we bargained the best we could get at the bargaining table short of a strike, and we had to put it in our members' hands.
And I knew that that's where our power resides.
And they spoke loud and clear, and we're ready for that.
So when the union leader says that's the best deal we could get without striking, so the union workers decide, well, let's strike because that's our only power anyway.
It means it was a shit deal.
This mystified reporter.
They said it's the best they've ever been offered.
And it was still shit.
And it was still a shit deal.
Okay.
And you said you're going to, quote, push the company further than they ever thought they'd go.
What does that mean?
Well, we have to.
I mean, we've spent the last 20 years being attacked, being threatened, seeing our jobs moved out of state, stagnating our wages, loss of health care with a cost shift, massive cost shift onto our members, and of course, the loss of our defined benefit pension.
And so we're ready for this.
And I know that our members, it was a bridge too far.
There's a lot of deep-seated anger, and it came out in that vote.
And listen, to somebody to an outsider, a 25% pay increase over four years sounds pretty good.
But again, 96% of your members voting against this, rejecting this.
Do you like how she goes, hmm.
Did you hear her do that?
I mean, you think she would stay at her job at CNN if that was all she wanted to do?
A 20 in that vote.
Seated anger, and it came out in that vote.
And listen, to somebody to an outsider, a 25% pay increase over four years sounds pretty good.
But again, 96% of your members voting against this, rejecting this deal.
Are you confident you're in step with your membership here?
I am.
We're here.
We serve at the mercy of our membership.
We're here to support them and take their issues forward, which we are.
We have to do some surveying, find out exactly where the issues are that we can propose going forward.
But I know it's about wages, and I know it's about the defined benefit pension.
And that's what we'll be pushing as we get into talks, hopefully next week.
And so, how much of the unity that you're seeing among your members, how much leverage does that give you, do you think, at the negotiating table?
It's immense pressure.
We have maximized our leverage.
We are peaking at the right time, and our members are confident.
They're standing strong, shoulder to shoulder.
And this gives us the most leverage that we've had in years.
And we're going to use it.
And I hear you when you're saying that obviously this is about money.
This is about this pension deal.
Is it also more about money?
Is this years of frustration coming to a head?
Well, it was really tough in the last 10 years where we had stagnated wages, very low wage increases.
We had massive cost inflation or massive inflation that we experienced.
And so our members didn't keep up and they deserve better.
And so we were just trying to catch up.
And for many, the 25% just was not enough, especially some of our newer members that aren't making as much.
So they're still struggling to find rent, places they can rent.
They have to move 50 miles away from the plant so that they can afford a place.
So this is about a work-life balance.
It's about a quality of life.
And our members are fighting for better.
And all of this is happening as Boeing is under immense financial pressure.
They haven't turned a profit in years.
There's risk of their credit rating going down.
What happens if the bottom falls out here?
You're asking for a lot.
Can the company even do that?
Oh, my God.
What happens if it's going to be on them?
They have the plane if the bottom falls off the plane like it has been?
They have no competition.
What happens if the doors fall off?
What huh?
What happens, huh?
It's a.
I can't believe anybody agrees to talk to these empty-headed dolls that they have on CNN about anything.
They just got $17 billion for free from the federal government.
They got $8 billion for free from the state government.
The workers who weren't getting paid right got taxed out of their money to pay the dipshits at Boeing to not pay them.
So this is what he says.
We're asking for reasonable things.
Our members have gone through A lot.
It's time for them to make up for some of the past and to make gains for the future.
These are reasonable things.
They are affordable, and our members are on the right path.
And how long do you think they're prepared to strike?
And I'm curious if you also spoken at all with the Biden administration.
One day longer, one day stronger.
That's what our members are talking about.
I have not had any recent conversations with the Biden administration.
So that's where that's at.
And what about the role of this new CEO?
Because this person has replaced the former CEO that was there for so many tumultuous situations.
What is your relationship there, and what kind of role do you think they'll be playing?
It's a new relationship.
I know that Mr. Oortberg is going to be involved in talks going forward.
I think he probably came in at a very tough time.
He's now responsible for what's happened for the last 20 years, and that's not an easy place to be.
All I can say is I'm focused on what our members' demands are, and that's what I'll be proposing going forward.
And how would you describe it?
I hear you saying that they're ready to strike.
They're prepared to strike for as long as it takes.
What would you say, though, is the morale amongst the- But how long would it take for the company to break them?
That's really what you want to say.
I was just thinking when.
Here's what it'll be: it'll be this guy who's focused on the job he has.
We get ready.
It's going to be something with DEI in the union and something with race and women, blah, blah, is going to be inserted into this union if it becomes effective in their negotiation.
That's my prediction.
As long as it takes.
What would you say, though, is the morale among those workers?
What is kind of the headspace that they're in right now as they strike?
Well, they're angry, for one.
And this was their release.
This was their ability to get their pound of flesh that they needed to get.
I believe they're ready to go for the long haul.
They're very confident.
They're standing together.
They're more united now than they ever have been in the past.
And that gives us strength at the bargaining table.
And what comes next?
When will you all sit down again?
And what do you hope happens in that meeting?
Well, FMCS mediation has reached out to both sides.
We will most likely get back to some mediated conversations starting next week, early next week.
We'll be reaching out to our members, having some discussion, communicating so they're aware of what's happening and they can give us their input.
And hopefully we can continue working forward to reach the agreement that our members deserve.
All right, well, we'll see what unfolds.
John Holden, thanks so much for your time.
We appreciate it.
Thank you.
Okay.
So I stay with the workers on this one.
Boeing is basically they've been mismanaged.
And the safety problems at Boeing are because of the workers.
They're there because the workers are put on timetables that they shouldn't have to meet.
And they have to cut safety corners because the management dictates it.
And anybody who stands up and says anything gets fired.
Or they commit suicide in their own car in a parking lot.
Go ahead.
They outsource important safety things outside of the goddamn shop.
That's right.
Surfboard makers are getting contracts.
Remember that?
Yes.
It's insane because they thought they could save a buck to do more of those buybacks.
Boy, that's one of the best parts of capitalism to me.
The stock buybacks.
Stock buybacks.
Who could argue against that?
It's why America's great.
And so this is kind of a crazy story out of Scotland.
You want to hear what happened?
This is real.
There's a rape crisis centre.
And the head of it was a trans woman, so a biological male.
And here's how they reported it in Scotland.
The charity Rape Crisis Scotland has said it will pause the referral of rape survivors to a support service in Edinburgh after a review found the centre had failed to protect women-only spaces.
The independent report into Edinburgh Rape Crisis found that it did not put survivors first and that the chief executive, a trans woman, failed to behave professionally or understand the limits of her authority.
A reporter in Edinburgh, Joanne Macaulay, has the story.
In May, Rose Adams, who worked at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, won a constructive dismissal case against her former employers.
She said she'd been unfairly treated for believing that people using the support service should know the sex of their support worker.
So at a rape crisis center, that woman said the victims of rape should know the gender of their person working with them.
And so she got fired for that by a transgendered person who was leading that rape crisis center.
I'll play that again, just so just in case you missed it.
That person there.
She said she'd been unfairly treated for believing that people using the support service should know the sex of their support worker.
The tribunal found that the chief executive at the time, Riddle Wadwa, who's a trans woman, had conducted what was described as a heresy hunt against Rose Adams and appeared to believe she was transphobic.
The tribunal ruled in Rose Adams' favour.
Sexual violence is about bodies.
And sexual violence is perpetrated by 98 to 99% male people.
So male-bodied male people who have been socialized as male.
And so we need to respect that when people are traumatized by that, their senses are highly, highly alert to the person in front of them.
After the tribunal, Rape Crisis Scotland ordered an independent inquiry into how the Edinburgh Centre had been run.
Its conclusions were published today and it found that Edinburgh Rape Crisis failed to put survivors first, failed to protect women-only spaces.
The chief executive failed to behave professionally or understand the limits of authority.
And the actions of some staff had a detrimental impact on some women.
Rape Crisis Scotland says it's paused referrals to the Edinburgh Centre, although people can still self-refer.
In a statement, Rape Crisis Scotland said it was extremely concerned that the Edinburgh Centre had failed to provide women-only spaces and that the needs of survivors should be respected at every rape crisis centre.
Edinburgh Rape Crisis say they recognize they got things wrong and they're sorry and they're committed to implementing the recommendations of the report.
Joanne Macaulay Reporting Scotland, Edinburgh.
And so here it is.
This is from the Times.
Trans boss of Rape Crisis Center quits after damning criticism.
In a statement, ERCC said, Mr Dool Wadwa, that's the and the board have decided that the time is right for a change of leadership at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Center.
You mean you get the biological mail out?
At a rape crisis center?
Oh my God.
A biological male.
I don't feel safe anymore.
I had a sister who had to go to a counseling center for abused women.
And she was going through a hard time and she wasn't mentally stable.
And so my brother, my two brothers and I, we had to go get her for some reason.
And we found out where is she?
So she's there.
So they flipped out.
We were not allowed to even walk in the building.
We were males.
They're like, no, we walked in.
They're like, you're not allowed at a crisis center for battered women.
And there they have biological males, and then they're having biological males take care of raped women.
What in the F?
So Wadwa, who identifies as a trans woman, was put on leave in May after an employment tribunal found that she had presided over an investigation that should not have been launched in the first place.
They found it was designed to force out a member of staff who held gender-critical views.
The report highlighted that under Wadwa, ERCC lacked focus on the core requirements, core requirements of a rape crisis center.
Really?
Somebody with a penis didn't focus on the core requirements of a rape.
Isn't that weird?
During her research, Ling asked the ERCC for further information on the woman-only services it provided, but was told that there were very little demand for them.
It emerged that for a 16-month period until February of this year, there were no protected women-only spaces available through the ERCC unless they were specifically requested.
Ling said putting women in the position of having to discuss whether the service they receive will be provided by someone who was born and continues to identify as a female has caused damage and does not amount to the provision of protected women-only spaces.
The report also questioned the values adopted by ERCC, which were not fully consistent with national service standards.
Accepted criteria such as survivor-centered, trauma-informed, and gender-informed were augmented by two new approaches: loving and brave.
These innovations were not best practices, said Ling, and appeared both inappropriate and to raise boundary issues when used in the context of survivors of gender-based violence.
The report was commissioned earlier this year as details of Wadwa's impact emerged during the tribunal, in which Roz Adams, a former ERCC counselor, won her case for constructive dismissal and discrimination.
She was hounded by her employers after expressing sympathy with the victim's wish to have only female counselors.
Under Wadwa, ERCC's internal inquiry was reminiscent of the work of Franz Kafka, according to Ian McFactridge, the employment judge.
Many critics see the ERCC crisis as the result of trans-inclusive policies pursued when Nicola Sturgeon was first minister, which they say were promoted by government-funded organizations such as Rape Crisis Scotland.
Joanne Cherry, the former MP and a critic of gender ideology, said the report showed that Wadwa failed to set professional standards of behavior and should resign or be dismissed without further delay.
Today, now J.K. Rowling weighed in on this.
She said, Today has seen the publication of a damning report into the culture of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Center under CEO Midrill Wadwa, a man who identifies as a woman.
That's according to J.K. Rowling.
I think it's a woman.
J.K. Rowling says, it was because I knew sexual assault victims were self-excluding from the only rape support center in my home city that I founded and fund Beer's Place, a woman-only service for female survivors of sexual assault in Edinburgh and Lothian.
Responding to Ling's report, Rape Crisis Scotland said today, it is important that survivors can make informed choices about the services they access at rape crisis centers.
And we recognize that for some survivors, this includes the choice of single-sex service.
Yet, Edinburgh Rape Crisis has never referred a woman in search of single-sex service to Beer's place and was also and was found to have constructively dismissed support worker Roz Adams for believing that service users have the right to know the sex of the staff.
A staff slack conversation about Beer's place came to light during Ross's tribunal.
The opening of a new single-sex center was described by one employee as really terrible news and a festive stinker.
This is the culture that that trans woman created at a crisis center for rape victims.
J.K. Rowling says, umbrella organization Rape Crisis Scotland claims to have been in ignorance of the Edinburgh Center's failings.
As for Woman Scott says below, this is nonsense.
They were warned, yet they supported the trans woman And his ideology throughout his tenure.
That's her pronouns, not mine.
Chief executive Sandy Bridley appears to have been fine with Wadwa's publicly expressed views that female survivors are bigots if they don't want to share spaces with trans-identified men and that the best way to deal with gender-critical staff is to fire them.
There it is.
There are many more of us who think you are an amazing sister, mother, and warrior for women's rights.
It's the opposite of women's rights.
It's misogyny.
That's dismissing women's rights in favor of a biological male's rights.
Love to you.
So that's what she pointed out.
She also says, Wadwa remained in a post even after the Edinburgh Center allowed a man now convicted of serious sexual assault who the judge said harbors hostility towards women to access a space supposedly reserved for traumatized female survivors.
So they let us male sexual assaulter access someplace.
Here's the last slide.
Some might have expected the chief exec and her amazing sister to resign today, but no, the government continues to fund a service dominated by ideologues.
Vulnerable women have been denied help, and Brindley and Wadwa continue to draw their salaries.
So that was September 12, 2024.
And those are her pronouns, not mine.
I certainly think that Wadwa is a female lady.
Now, you're a lady.
Right?
As far as I can tell, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to misgender you, but you look like a lady.
I mean, when I was, I used to joke to my kids, I was like, babe, I was the they, them before there was a motherfucking they, them, because I always called myself an actor.
I always thought I was a boy, but a boy, but I loved that I was who I was.
But I, you know, when you're a kid and growing up and confused and you don't fucking know who you are, don't start pressing ideologies into kids' heads.
They need to just grow up and be what they are.
I have a lot of weird thoughts about all this because I've never really spoken about it and I don't know this story, but it's like every time I tried to even wrap my head around it, something would emerge like, oh, my daughter's best friend.
The mom would be like out of nowhere.
This kid is trans.
Like all kinds of weird things were coming at me.
I'm like, I'm meant to deal with this somehow.
So how am I going to deal with this?
But I think the more, and I have so many gay friends and, you know, we had wild, fucking incredible times.
And I'm still just trying to understand.
I know that they wanted to divide the entire world in every, which way they could.
I'm trying to understand why this ideology.
Why did this have to emerge?
What was the point of this one?
Trans.
It's not gay rights.
It's not gay marriage, which I, which I think is fucking awesome.
This is something so different.
And to do it at a level of like kindergarten, like the whole play for it when we were in COVID, when we came out of COVID, it was like from chaos to chaos.
It was such a chaotic topic.
Like that's even following that story with you just now.
I don't even know what's going on because I can't figure out who's a man, who's a woman.
I'm just so lost and I feel so old.
I'm just like, what the fuck has happened here?
I want to understand what part of the playbook, I want to understand what the words were, how they described this when they created this because this was part of the playbook.
What was it?
What do you think?
I don't know, but I think I know where it comes from.
It comes from BlackRock Vanguard.
Oh, 100%.
But what's behind, what's behind?
It's their way to divide and keep people and create chaos.
You can do a billion things.
Why trans?
And it's also a way for them to wrap themselves in a patina of virtue while they rape the planet.
And I think it has something to do with the transhuman thing too.
You know, that's real.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, a lot of people talk about, I mean, I don't want to get too crazy here, but you may as well fuck it.
Who cares?
But, you know, when you talk about Baphomet, who's made a huge comeback these days, Baphomet is like, you know, all these kids are, there's just a lot of very strange, a lot.
I don't want to say too much because my, you know, this is one of the ones I stay away from.
But I start thinking about kids.
I start thinking about my kids and what would I want from my daughter.
And if my daughter came to me and she said, I don't feel like I'm a girl.
I'm a boy.
And I have people that have said to me, well, it's better to have a dead.
I mean, alive.
Yeah, that whole thing.
And it's like, yeah, well, I want to deal with this at home.
And I'm going to deal with this with my kid.
And she's going through puberty right now.
So if she tells me she can't go through puberty or I'll kill myself because I've heard people have said such things.
I'd be like, I'm going to sit here with you until you go through puberty and we're going to talk every fucking day.
And we're going to get through this.
And then if you decide by the time you're 18, 19, 20, that this is still not the body you want to be in, then we'll figure it out.
You'll figure out what you want to do.
I'm never going to hold you back from doing what you want to do.
But you're 12.
I don't give a fuck what your friend's doing.
I was like, you're going to do what goes on in this fucking house.
And that's talk it out, figure it out.
Because it's the same thing if my, you know, I was an addict when I was a kid.
So if my mother would have been like, honey, I'll get you the heroin.
It's fine.
What kind of mother would she be?
You know, mommy, I don't feel good in this body.
I feel fucked up.
I feel weird.
I got to take heroin to feel better.
She would have been like, yes, let's go to the store and get you a bundle of heroin and let's get this thing rocking and rolling so you can feel better, baby.
No, that's not how it fucking works.
You know, we're going to do a podcast on Saturday with a tattoo artist.
And my daughter is an amazing artist and she's going to be designing the tattoo and doing all this stuff.
And I said, I promised her at 16, I could give her her, she could have a tiny tattoo that represents balance.
So that every time she looks at it, she remembers that mommy said, maintain balance no matter where you are.
It's always about balance.
Even with the trans movement, even with the whole, all of these social issues, it's about balance, I feel like.
And everyone is, everything's just tipped so far over.
But he said, you know, we can't, I can't give her a tattoo.
And I said, why not?
I'm the mom.
I'm with her.
There's consent.
And he said, no, it's illegal in the state of California.
They can call child services on me.
I said, I'm sorry.
She's allowed to get her own therapist without me knowing.
She's allowed, I'm not allowed to have access to her medical records at this stage.
So why is she allowed, not allowed to get a tattoo if I'm sitting there?
And that's the way it is.
So the liberals in California passed a law that you can't get a tattoo until you're 18.
Is that real?
That happened?
That's real.
But that's back when they used to care about protecting kids.
And now.
You can't get a tan.
You can't go to a tanning bed.
Really?
You can't go to a tanning bed.
You guys know all the shit.
Did you know that?
You can't go to a tanning bed.
But apparently you could go on, you know, hormones, which are sterilization drugs.
Yeah.
I mean, my 13-year-old comes home right now and he is a raging lunatic right now.
And I'm like, can you imagine if I would put a child on meds in this house?
What the fuck would happen?
Like they would go bananas.
Like they're meant to lose their minds right now.
It's part of the process, man.
They need to lose their minds and be in a safe environment to do it.
And to, you know, not that every kid has a safe environment.
And that I understand, but I feel like they need to go through the natural process before they make any crazy decisions for themselves.
Kids can't make decisions for themselves.
They're wild animals.
How old do you have to be to get a tattoo in California?
You have to be at least 18 years old.
Yeah, he told me, the tattoo artist told me, he's like, I can't do it.
So instead, she's going to tattoo me.
She's going to, we're going to give her the gun.
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