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July 10, 2024 - Jimmy Dore Show
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So they did a press conference today at the White House, and they wanted to let you know that Joe Biden has a rigorous schedule.
In fact, he's going to even do a press conference.
He's going to do a press conference.
They announced that he's going to do one, like it's like he's going to go have an MMA fight or something.
Watch how they say it.
You're not going to believe this.
Watch how they say it.
So this is Kirby, right?
I think that's who that guy's name is.
Watch how they say it.
After that, the president will hold a press conference.
I guess a big boy press conference is what we're calling it.
He calls it a big boy press.
He turned to Corine Pierre Priya Doreen Creen.
He turned to her, this woman.
He turned to her and she confirmed, yes, it's a big boy press conference.
You want to hear that again?
Because I do.
I'm going to play it again.
Here we go.
This is real.
This really happened.
After that, the president will hold a press conference.
I guess a big boy press conference is what we're calling it and take some questions from y'all.
Are you sure you're supposed to say that part out loud?
Isn't that like the code?
It's like we're doing the big boy press conference.
Isn't that like saying Forrest Dump has flooded the valley again?
Repeat.
Forrest Dump has flooded the valley.
Are you...
Can...
Can Joe Biden still recognize basic shapes?
Again, this is how you talk about a toddler.
Is he supposed to come out there with Gerber baby food all over his face?
Oh, it's not disgusting when it's a widow baby, even if it's just mentally a widow baby.
Is he going to come on stage in a giant baby walker on wheels so he can familiarize himself with the environment?
Just picture that.
You're welcome.
This doesn't help him.
When you call his press conference a big boy press conference, you're not helping.
It takes everybody down when you talk like that.
Thank you.
You want to hear her say it?
Watch it.
She says it.
We'll speak to national labor leaders of AFL-CIO, host the NATO summit to show the unprecedented strength of our alliance, hold a press conference, a big boy press conference, according to Justin Sink from Bloomberg.
So what were all the other press conferences?
Was it just like a grade school press conference for kids eight through 12?
What were the other, aren't they all big boy press conferences?
What does that mean?
You make it sound like he knows how to go to the bathroom by himself.
Oh, you're a big boy.
And anybody who's watched him on video knows he knows how to do that.
He does it all day long.
I really don't get why they're using that phrase.
It sounds very much like this.
Yo, you did such a great job.
You answered every question.
Yay, you answered all the questions.
Yay, you answered all the questions.
After that, the president will hold a press conference.
I guess a big boy press conference is what we're calling it and take some questions from y'all.
This is.
These are the, first of all, they're the dumbest people in the world that they would say that.
And his wife, who is he?
Yo, you did such a great job.
You answered every question.
You answered every question.
So Jennifer Jacobs, who works for Bloomberg, she tweeted this out.
She says, Biden scheduled the next 10 days per press secretary, Corinne Jong-hyan, who is trying to indicate that he has a rigorous schedule.
This is he'll speak to the national labor leaders this week.
He's going to host a NATO summit.
He's going to do a press conference on Thursday.
He's going to travel to Michigan on Friday and then travel to Texas and Nevada next week.
So she's saying that like, this is them saying, look how rigorous his schedule is.
He's got one, two, three, four.
He's got five things to do in the next two weeks.
I'm sorry, 10 days.
He's got five things to do in 10 days, you guys.
That's like a thing every other day.
This is hilarious.
I just thought I'd throw this in there.
This is hilarious.
After years of calling Trump orange man, the spray paint Joe Biden orange.
Democrats are.
Did you see that?
I heard a lot of people talking about that.
I heard a lot of people talking about that.
Is that just, is that like some kind of, is that a cheap fake?
Is someone cheap faking?
Are they just making him look orange?
The establishment has turned, the donor class, which is the established, has turned on Joe Biden.
And that's why CNN is allowed to say he gave the questions to this radio host who interviewed him.
That's why they're painting him orange.
That's why I swear to God.
So, well, you know, my theory is that they set him up with these debates, meaning that they wanted to get him through the primary because then the donor class basically gets to pick all those delegates.
So all the delegates that go to Joe Biden are just, you know, completely establishment delegates.
And so when they get rid of them, they're going to have the donor class's hand-picked delegates to pick the next donor class approved person.
There isn't going to be half the delegates or Bernie Sanders type or RFK Jr. delegates or people who want to change things.
It's going to be, no, no, it's going to be.
And so that's why they did the debate.
Why would they do a debate this early?
Why would you do that?
You're supposed to wait till after the convention.
There is big point pants.
These are his big point pants.
You think I'm kidding?
That's what they're called.
After that, the president will hold a press conference, I guess a big boy press conference is what we're calling it and take some questions from y'all.
Jeez.
A big boy.
A big boy.
Doesn't look good.
Well, we'll see how the press conference goes Thursday.
Now, here's my prediction for the press conference.
They will have pre-selected reporters to ask the questions.
That's not new.
So Deucey's not going to get a question.
So I wonder.
I wonder if Deucey does.
I hope we asked him about if he took a Deucey in his pants when he was with Macron.
So there you go.
That's that.
Okay.
Big boy, big boy press conference.
So I think the press conference is going to be as scripted as possible.
But we'll see.
Maybe his team is just throwing him under the bus.
That's why they're going to have him do a press conference.
That's why they're going to have him.
That's why the New York Times printed that thing where he said, oh, no, my body's fine.
It's my brain.
The New York Times printed him saying that.
The establishment has turned on Joe Biden.
They had their elections, their second round of voting in France, and the left party win.
Everybody was afraid that the far-right party, the Le Pen party, was going to win.
I think they call themselves the national.
They call themselves the National Front, but they switch it to the National.
Anyway, political paralysis looms in France after a shock election result.
With parliament roughly split into three different blocks, it could take weeks for MPs and typically conflicted system to build coalitions.
So here's how it works in France, right?
So they have the first round of voting, right?
It wasn't for the president.
This is for their version of parliament, right?
So they do a first round of voting.
And if somebody gets over 50%, then they go right into the parliament.
But nobody did, right?
So they have three major parties.
They have the Macron Party, which is the centrist party.
They had the Marie Le Pen party, which is the right-wing party.
And then they have this lefty party.
What's the name of the lefty party?
Can you look it up?
And so what happened was nobody did.
So then the center party, Macron, and the lefties decided that wherever there was a third person on the ballot, they would get rid of.
So they could go head-to-head with the right-wing Le Pen party.
And so that's how the lefties won the plurality, right?
So they got the most votes.
So here, we'll go through this.
For more than 50 years, whenever France held a parliament election, voters would know the next morning which party would be in government and what political agenda.
This time it's different.
After Emmanuel Macron called a surprise snap election and after the shortest campaign in modern history, French people delivered a spectacular rush of tactical voting to hold back a surge of far-right support.
So everybody was afraid that the far right was going to take over France.
The resulting political landscape is divided and the outcome is complicated.
Macron will take time to let the dust settle, his entourage has said.
An alliance of parties on the left, the new popular front, that's what it's called, Popular Front, surprised pollsters by coming in first.
So the lefty party no longer came in first with 182 seats, but it fell significantly short of the absolute majority of 289.
So you need, there's like 517 seats, I think, or whatever is, whatever is to double that, 290, 290, whatever that is.
So maybe 580.
I don't know.
I'm not a math surgeon.
So that would allow it to instantly form a government.
So nobody got a clear majority.
So it's split up between the three parties.
The lefty party has the most.
Macron's party, the centrist party, has the second.
And then it's Le Pen's right-wing party, has the third most.
This means the Eurozone's second largest economy, which is also the European Union's biggest military power, is entering a period of uncertainty with no clear roadmap.
Less than three weeks before the host before it hosts the Olympic Games.
Oh, I didn't even know that.
It could take weeks of dialogue and potential coalition building to come up with a government and a prime minister.
So do you see what?
Okay.
So what's going to happen is the center party and the lefty party are going to figure out a power sharing agreement.
And then the prime minister is going to be probably from the lefty party.
But France, so there's the prime minister and the president.
Macron's the president.
So those are different things.
But France, with a powerful president and conflictual political system where parties reach vicious standoffs, does not have a recent tradition of building coalitions.
The French parliament is now roughly split into three blocks.
In the lead is the new popular front, that's the lefty party, which blindsided Macron and the opposition when it managed to swiftly and efficiently unite four weeks ago to counter the far right.
It is a rainbow grouping that in parliament will run from the firmly left-wing France unbowed LFI, which has the greatest number of seats at 74, to the Greens, which increased their seats to 28 to the more centrist Socialist Party, which significantly increased its seat to 59.
The broad left alliance's deliberately strident policy manifesto includes capping prices on essential goods such as fuel and food, raising the minimum wage, reversing Macron's increase in the pension age to 64, and imposing a wealth tax.
So the lefties are swinging their power around.
They're not bowing to the centrists.
They're making demands.
It took care not to push forward one leader during the campaign.
Jean-Luc Melashung, the veteran left-winger and firebrand orator who founded LFI, regularly made TV appearances during the campaign.
But each time he did, other parties in the alliance would carefully state that he was not in charge and was not necessarily their choice for prime minister.
I bet he's going to be the guy.
Macron's centrist grouping finished in second place with 168 seats, only 14 seats behind the new popular front.
That's the new lefty party.
The centrists previously in government lost 80 seats amid voters' clear anger and rejection of Macron.
So the voters are rejecting Macron and the centrists.
But the president's entourage immediately pointed out that although they were reduced in number, they were still standing.
Okay.
Beaten back into third place came Maureen Le Pen's far-right anti-immigrant national rally party and its allies with an unprecedented 140.
So they still got a lot of seats.
They still grew.
The key takeaway of the election's final round is the renewed strength of the French tradition known as the Republican Front, in which voters from all backgrounds group together in tactical voting to hold back the far right.
In the space of one week, the far-right party and its allies went from a first round in which it topped the vote in more than half of the constituencies in France and was within reach of forming a government to being knocked back into third position in the sex.
So the first round, they were in first place.
Second round, the lefties got together, they coalesced.
They made a deal with the centrists and they were able to push back the far right.
Beaten back into third place, came Marie Pumaza.
We already did this.
Le Pen said victory had simply been deferred.
She will now focus on the presidential campaign of 2027.
The party leadership will face a reckoning over its strategy and haphazard vetting of candidates, one of whom dropped out after photos circulated of her wearing a Nazi cap.
The Socialist Party leader Olivier Faur recognized the fractured and bruised nature of French society after a divisive campaign.
For many on the left, the immediate priority is to address key issues for Le Pen's millions of voters, including the cost of living and poor access to public services in rural and peripheral areas.
This is essential if the left is to present a credible alternative and continue to hold back the far right's slow but steady rise.
Constitutionally, it is possible for a group in parliament to govern without an absolute majority, really.
But to do this, that group would have to ensure that opposition forces do not club together to form a majority of two.
Yeah, of course.
Okay.
The first session of the new parliament is going to be on July 18th.
It may be that only then will possibilities for coalitions become fully clear.
So there's this guy, Melanchon, the leader of the coalition of New Popular Front, who won the legislative elections in France, dropped some truth bombs.
This sounds like the real left here, not the fake one like in the United States and the UK.
So here's what he said.
Since October 7th, they have tried to use international law.
So this guy wants to recognize Palestine as a state.
So that's a big, big deal.
So here's, let's hear what he says.
Since October 7th, they have tried to use international law to constitute, to construe what is legitimate self-defense.
But it is not legitimate self-defense to indiscriminately murder an entire population as a means of collective punishment.
Let's talk about what Israel is doing to Palestine right now.
Something the world has rejected a long time ago.
So this is a big deal.
What kind of international law do we have that permits the bombing of schools, hospitals, murdering people en masse inside their apartments and homes?
Those are called war crimes, and they must stop.
Cutting off phone lines, water, electricity, hospitals, subjecting an entire population to illness and disease, to death and suffering with no recourse.
Do you know what that's called under international law?
A crime against humanity.
So this is a big deal.
It's time for this to stop.
So this is what happens.
We are a witness to all this, and our presence is the only recourse for the people being killed.
Global public opinion must be heard at the time of this 20th century.
What is he saying?
That never under any circumstances, regardless of skin color, religion, nationality, we will not differentiate between human beings.
We are trapped who are trapped and defenseless.
The law must be applied.
The International Criminal Court must stop and arrest the war criminals, Gallant and Netanyahu.
Wow.
Wow, this is big.
That's a big deal.
So that's a big deal.
So that's what happened with these elections, that this guy is probably going to be the prime minister.
If I'm elected, not only would I grant asylum to Assange and Snowden, but I would also decorate them both because they helped France by denouncing the espionage to which it was subjected.
You see, this is what a real lefty party, Not the bullshit lefties we have here in America.
Jeremy Corbyn says France's extraordinary election results provide an urgent, valuable lesson.
Don't concede ground to those who sow division and fear.
Build a bold left movement that offers an alternative of inclusion and hope.
This is how you defeat the far right.
Got a boy.
All right.
So that's a big deal that happened in France.
And now we'll see how they can put together a ruling coalition.
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We have Max Blumenthal's with us.
You know, he's the award-winning journalist as well as the editor-in-chief and founder of the Independent Investigative News website, The Gray Zone, which I gave a nice shout out to on Joe Rogan, the number one show in the world.
And I had to really twist Aaron Matte's arm to thank me for that, which was a, it really hurt me.
He's also the best-selling author of several books, including Goliath, The 51-Day War, and the Management of Savagery.
It's Max Blumenthal.
Hey, Max.
So why?
Hey, Jimmy, good to see you.
So here's why I have you on.
So you reported this on October 27th, 2023.
You said October 7th testimonies reveal Israel's military shelling Israel citizens with tanks and missiles.
So on October 7th, you reported that it was the Israeli military that attacked their own people and their own soldiers, right?
Okay.
Yes.
And, you know, followed up on this with several other reports that were way ahead of the Israeli media on the Israeli military killing Israeli citizens in large numbers on October 7th and doing so deliberately.
And so when you reported that at your website, The Gray Zone, you got smeared by Horetz, which is the Israeli newspaper.
And it says master class and manipulation, exposing Max Blumenthal's lies about Israel on October 7th.
The Gray Zone editor has a history of denying war crimes.
So it's no surprise he provided a piece that very selectively uses facts, includes purposely edited quotes to change their meaning, and grossly plays down their atrocities.
Now, why is this important?
Why do I bring this up?
Well, here's one more.
I'll show you why.
You also, you got smeared by the Washington Post.
The Washington Post published not one, but two live-filled smears of us for helping expose the Hannibal directive scandal.
First, by the anti-Palestinian neocon, what is it?
Her name, Liz Dwaski.
Liza.
Oh, Liza Dwaskin.
I can't believe she would lie.
Look how pretty she is.
Pretty means innocence.
I bet she just works with the security agencies teaching them breathing techniques and yoga.
Come on.
Nothing about deceiving her own people, right?
Along with everyone else.
You go, then by the mendacious CIA stenographer Joseph Menn, who falsely insinuated Iran and Russia were directing our factual reporting while clamoring for the criminal prosecution of our editor, Wyatt Reed.
Wow.
Where's the accountability for these journalists?
Well, there isn't going to be any.
But why did, so why do I bring all this up, this old reporting of yours, and the fact that you were smeared for being accurate?
Because now Horetz is also echoing what your reporting said back in October.
Now, after smearing you for months and months, now IDF ordered Hannibal directive on October 7th to prevent Hamas taking soldiers captive.
There was crazy hysteria and decisions started being made without verified information.
Documents and testimonies obtained by Horetz reveal the Hannibal operational order, which directs the use of force to prevent soldiers being taken into captivity, was employed at three army facilities infiltrated by Hamas, potentially endangering civilians as well.
So what they did was, by the way, the best way to prevent your own soldiers from being captured is to kill them, obviously.
So that's what the Hannibal directive is.
And it got invented in like 1986 after Hamas had captured some Israeli soldiers and the soldiers didn't shoot at them because they didn't want to kill their own people.
Well, then they came, then the Israelis, they were like, hey, hey, hey, go ahead, kill our own people.
That's called the Hannibal Directive.
And not only did they kill their own soldiers, Max, they also killed their own civilians, correct?
Deliberately, because, you know, one civilian, one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, who was captured in 2006, was exchanged five years later for 1,200 Palestinian prisoners, Palestinian captives.
So for the Israelis, that's just politically devastating.
Yeah, so they would rather slaughter their own soldiers and civilians.
So here, here is a colonel from the IDF, and it's translated.
This is what he says happened on October 7th.
So this is.
So this guy's name is Naf Erez.
Yeah.
He's an Israeli colonel.
And he said it was a mass Hannibal, meaning the Hannibal directive.
It was a mass.
It wasn't just they just killed a few.
They killed mass of people.
That's how I'm interpreting it.
Is that how you interpret that?
Absolutely.
And that's what was corroborated in this new Haaretz report, which I basically already reported back in October.
So here, I'll play this for you.
This is an Israeli colonel.
Here we go.
What we saw here on October 7th was mass Hannibal.
There were many openings in the fence, thousands of people in many different vehicles, thousands of people in many different vehicles with hostages and without.
So, this woman who survived the attacks has also accused the Israeli army of invoking the directive.
They killed hostages.
Hang on, let me back it up.
He says, understand, they killed hostages.
They were killed in the crossfire.
Understand, there was very, very heavy crossfire.
So our forces, the Israeli army, may have shot them.
Undoubtedly, she says.
Yes, undoubtedly.
That's a survivor.
When they tried to eliminate the abductors, Hamas, yes, they eliminated everyone, including the hostages.
So the Israeli army just came in and wiped out everybody.
Thousands of people in cars.
That's why they buried all those cars.
Remember, we did that story?
They buried the car.
They buried them.
Because what they're doing is they're covering up the evidence of a mass atrocity that was committed by the Israeli army.
Here, I'll play a little bit more.
Because there was very.
Okay.
Okay.
Their claims were reiterated by a British author and journalist Jonathan Cook.
The Hannibal Directive enacted at the kibbutz was likely to have been applied as policy towards Israeli civilians captured by Hamas and held hostages in their own homes inside Israel.
The debate around whether Israel used the Hannibal Directive comes after accounts from witnesses indicated the army's role in the high death toll.
So maybe that's why there was such a high death toll, because it wasn't Hamas that killed all those people.
It was Israelis using Apache helicopters supplied by the United States.
And reports emerged of Israeli military helicopters using artillery against civilians at the Nova Music Festival.
These revelations counter the army's claims that Hamas was responsible.
See, there's the cars.
Hamas didn't have the ability to do that.
That Hamas was responsible for the deaths of approximately 1,200 Israelis.
Now we know that it was the Israeli army that was responsible for a large number of those people's deaths.
Is there an estimate on how many people were killed by the Israeli army that day?
How many of their own civilians and own members of their army?
Is there an estimate?
There isn't.
And I've been saying many.
Haaretz falsely accused me of saying most, but based on Haaretz's latest report, which relies on army documents, interviews with officers who were active on that day, who were involved in the killing of their fellow Israelis,
I would say it numbers in the hundreds, which means that the Israeli army has been confirmed as a leading participant in what the Biden administration, what Vice President Kamala Harris called the worst atrocity against the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
And Israel's whole mission, its reason to exist, is supposed to be to keep Jews safe.
And here they are killing more Jews than any other anti-Semite in recent history and doing it deliberately for political reasons.
I mean, they created, according to this, I mean, there was some new stuff in this Haaretz piece that I didn't know about that, you know, was fairly clear to me, although a lot of it just overlapped with what I had already pulled out of, you know, Hebrew language reports that were on the public record.
One of them was that the Israelis created a free, like a free fire zone where nothing was allowed to pass by blanketing this area in the frontier between southern Israel and the Gaza Strip with artillery.
I didn't know they were using massive amounts of artillery, but you can assume that those cars that got roasted that you see there, many of them were hit with artillery.
I mean, 155 millimeter howitzer shells that can kill a lot of people.
So I don't think it was just in the tens.
We do know, I mean, they killed 12 Israeli citizens with one tank shell who were huddled in a house, who were being held captive by Hamas militants who were trying to negotiate their way out rather than negotiate.
One of the top generals in the Israeli army, Brigadier General Barak Hiram, someone who's being put up for a promotion to lead the Gaza division, he ordered the tank to fire into the house to kill everyone, including children, including Jewish Israeli children.
And as we reported at the gray zone, Israeli propagandists and officials went out and said, oh, these cute twins, the Hetzroni twins were at 12 years old, were murdered by Hamas.
But it turned out they were deliberately killed by the Israeli army so they wouldn't have to cut a deal with their Hamas captors.
So now, do the people in Israel care about this?
I don't think it's at the top of their priority list right now because they're focused, you know, they're divided on whether the hostages should be saved or whether Israel should just continue committing genocide forever.
And this does relate to the issue of the Hannibal Directive.
Because actually, the niece of one of the hostages who's being held in Gaza, I think his name is Ofre Calderon.
She went on Israeli national TV and said that the Israeli government is applying the Hannibal Directive now after October 7th to kill the hostages that are being held in Gaza so they don't have to negotiate for their release.
Because once they're gone, Hamas has no political leverage, then Israel just can call it a day.
And there are hostages in Gaza and captives, prisoners of war who were soldiers who were captured who are American citizens.
So my colleague Sam Husseini went to the State Department, journalist Sam Husseini, and he asked Tony Blinkens Flack, Matthew Miller, popularly known as Smircula, asked him, What do you think about Israel applying the Hannibal directive?
Do you think it's possible they could actually kill American captives in Gaza?
You know, this should be something the State Department should answer for.
This was just over a week ago.
Matthew Miller's response: I haven't heard of the Hannibal directive.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Well, here, I think I have that.
Let me play that.
Yeah, this is it.
You talk about the hostages.
Israel has a Hannibal directive in which it has orders in place to kill at least its own soldiers, lest they fall into the hands of Palestinian groups.
And there's substantial reporting that that, in fact, was utilized on October 7th, not just against Israeli soldiers, but against civilians.
Aren't we not now in a situation where Israel may be using the Hannibal Directive, not just on Israelis, civilians and military, but on U.S. citizens and other foreign nationals.
So I am not familiar in any way with either that supposed directive or those reports.
You've never heard of Hannibal?
Certainly never not want to comment on that.
You've never heard of the Hannibal Directive?
I thought you wanted to go out of the region.
Sure.
And you know, and you know, I guess Goebbels never heard of propaganda either.
And I mean, that guy Miller is the Hannibal directive in human form.
He listens to the question, but all he hears is all he hears is what's for dinner.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Max.
You want to say something?
No.
They say they love Israel.
All these U.S. officials say they love Israel, but they don't know anything about that, which makes sense, actually.
I guess just knowing people who've been in the State Department or had any proximity to Miller, they say he and the whole staff, they know nothing about this subject.
And they just do what they're told because they're all hoping for big jobs after the administration's over.
But I mean, this is one of the biggest scandals.
This is one of the biggest scandals of this heinous, almost nine-month-old war.
And the mainstream U.S. media, the only time they've touched it, is to attack us at the gray zone or to attack Electronic Intifada and others who've brought up this reality, which is now just completely corroborated.
So here's you, here's a tweet from you.
Who's Kenneth Roth?
Ken Roth was the longtime leader of Human Rights Watch, the leading arm of the human rights industrial complex and a major humanitarian interventionist who has advanced war and regime change against Russia, everywhere from Russia to Bolivia to Venezuela to Syria.
And now he's kind of, he's sort of independent.
And Ken Roth is, you know, somewhat critical of Israel.
So he's trying to criticize Israel here.
Or he's linking to the Haaretz report in the tweet that I'm responding to.
So he's linking to the report about the Hannibal Directive.
And I'm bringing up the fact that when that Haaretz smear came out against me back in November, when it wasn't popular to talk about this, he smeared me.
And you can read what he said there.
Here's what he says.
He says, the far left makes a big mistake to deny or downplay Hamas's atrocities.
Israel's bombardment and besiegement of Palestinian civilians in Gaza are awful on their own terms.
Whitewashing Hamas's war crimes is wrong, unnecessary, and unhelpful.
So he was accusing you of doing that, of whitewashing Hamas's crimes, right?
And so you tweeted out.
You go, great job acknowledging that what I reported eight months ago was true.
Any plans to delete this tweet smearing me for my factual reporting on October 7th and to apologize for it?
No, no.
Is the answer no?
I mean, he's never going to, he's never responded to me, but I'm getting more engagement on that tweet than his original tweet got because people realize who these frauds are.
And that when, I mean, the timing here is so important because what Israel was trying to do by inflating the death toll on October 7th was to give itself more political space to destroy all of Gaza, kill a large percentage of the population and commit genocide.
And so it was so important to counter their bogus narrative about October 7th right away.
And when I did so and when others did so, we came under massive attack, not only from the usual suspects in the corporate media, but from people like former Human Rights Watch director Ken Roth.
And now they need to be called out for it.
There needs to be accountability because they were complicit in helping Israel make the case for genocide.
So let me just read a little bit of the Horetz report.
Communication networks could not keep up with the flow of information, as was the, this is on October 7th, as was the case for soldiers sending these reports.
However, the message conveyed at 11.22 a.m. across the Gaza Division Network was understood by everyone.
Not a single vehicle can return to Gaza was the order.
That means wipe out all those civilians, right?
And okay.
Documents obtained by Horetz, as well as testimonies of soldiers, mid-level and senior IDF officers, reveal a host of orders and procedures laid down by the Gaza Division, Southern Command, and the IDF general staff up to the afternoon hours of that day, showing how widespread this procedure was from the first hours following the attack And at various points along the border.
So they were just slaughtering people all over the place and everywhere they went.
Gaza, their own people, Gaza division operations and airstrikes in the first hours of October 7th were based on limited information.
The first long moments after the Hamas attack was launched were chaotic.
Reports were coming in with their significance, not always clear.
When their meaning was understood, it was realized that something horrific had taken place.
Now, that refers to what the IDF did, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the thing that's horrific there is the Israeli army slaughtering their own soldiers and their own citizens, right?
No, what that's speaking to is the chaos that enveloped the extremely overhyped, overrated Israeli military, which was suffering possibly the worst defeat in its history, getting overrun by a band of besieged militants on Chinese motorbikes.
And so their reaction was completely out of proportion.
And they had no idea how to hold anything off.
They didn't wind up pulling themselves together till later that afternoon.
And the Hamas attack began at six in the morning.
Israel's intelligence failed.
It's military purpose.
But I mean, you know, we've covered this on this show that, well, and you know, you've covered it too, that they had the plans that Hamas used.
They had them a year ahead of time.
They were, and they, and Hamas followed those plans almost to the letter.
And so Israel was aware they took away, they should have never been okayed that festival because the security people on the ground didn't.
They denied it, and then they got overruled, said, yeah, let them have that festival, even though they knew there was an attack coming, all this stuff.
And they took away their soldiers from where they should have been to protect them.
So this was a setup.
I'll say it.
A lot of people won't.
This was a setup by Netanyahu and the Israeli army to Tanel almost encouraged this to happen by putting that festival there and then by slaughtering the people after the attack started.
So this was so they could use this as a reason to go in and carpet bomb Gaza and now everywhere else in Palestine.
That's what it seems very clear to me.
So I don't want to put words in your mouth.
What do you think?
Yeah, I don't agree with the theory that Israel deliberately made a decision at high levels to allow this to take place.
I think that they're just extremely, their intelligence, military intelligence apparatus is extremely overrated, overhyped.
They're kind of a paper tiger.
What they're doing to Gaza is completely dependent on air power and 2,000 pound, 500-pound bombs supplied by the U.S. as well as tech.
But if that stopped coming, Israel would have to evacuate its entire population tomorrow.
They're not, it's not like a real, it's not the military it's cracked up to be, is what I'm saying.
Its intelligence was extremely shoddy.
And there were reports, of course, that we know about now.
But I also think that Israel's military leadership and its political leadership has not achieved their objectives in Gaza.
They've failed.
Israel is in a very dangerous existential crisis right now, not just militarily or politically, but economically.
Foreign investment is not coming in for its tech sector, which sustained its whole middle class.
So I don't think that this was something that they would allow to happen.
I mean, I'm also not a 9-11 truther, but the 9-11 attacks did work out better for the neoconservatives and the U.S. security state than October 7th has kind of worked out.
The response to October 7th has worked out for the Israelis.
And I also think it underestimates the capacity of Hamas to stage an attack like this.
I don't think anyone would have expected it to have succeeded.
For Hamas, they killed close to 400 Israeli soldiers.
And that was staggering for the Israeli military.
So, yeah, I mean, and since then, we've witnessed so many deceptions, so many lies.
I mean, basically, when an Israeli propagandist is talking, you can assume they're lying.
And so who's to believe that anything they say is real about October 7th?
Like, I understand why people are developing these theories.
If I was privy to Ben Swan's, we featured it on the show.
Ben Swan did some great reporting, investigative reporting, using all reports from Jewish newspapers, Israeli newspapers, and sources.
And it's very clear that this was at the very least allowed to happen by Israel's army and Netanyahu.
And so it's very, very clear.
I don't know if maybe you haven't seen that reporting, but it is fantastic.
There's a video up on our channel covering it.
You can go to Ben Swan's website.
Anyway, yeah, it's very clear.
But this is so you've been vindicated, right?
And but Horetz is not going to ever.
Again, oh, you always are, right?
But so Horetz is not going to apologize to you, nor is that other guy who now works for the Human Rights Watch.
And you're not getting it.
Yeah, the Washington Post.
I mean, Washington Post ran a full-page feature attacking the gray zone, accusing us of spreading misinformation, not just that, of violating Iran's sanctions, trying to get our editor, Wyatt Reed, jailed, literally thrown in prison, because as he publicly stated at the time, he was doing producing for press TV.
So they went to that level because of the reporting we've been doing since October 7th.
And, you know, all the sources quoted in that piece are basically U.S. intelligence cutouts or Israeli intelligence cutouts.
They're not going to apologize because this is their agenda to spread misinformation, to muddy the waters, and to prevent us from having a clear understanding of some of the biggest scandals of bar-time.
It's like one of the biggest scandals of our time that we talked about for years on your show, Jimmy, was Russia Gate.
Yeah.
Not that there was a Trump-Russia connection, but that this connection was concocted in order to take us to war.
Us, the United States, is now directly involved in war with Russia.
And that's partly a result of the manufacturing of a consensus that Russia needed to be attacked because they were destroying our democracy.
It's the same thing with these lies that Israel spun out after October 7th.
And one of those first lies was they inflated the October 7th death toll.
Now, I'm not saying that Hamas or Palestinian militants didn't commit atrocities on October 7th, like shooting civilians, for example, or kidnapping people.
That's all confirmed.
And it was a military attack, a special forces style attack, mostly on military bases.
So people get killed.
But Israel couldn't sell what it wanted to do in Gaza, full-on genocide, ethnic cleansing, with just the facts that were clearly established with video.
So they concocted mass rape, beheaded babies, fetuses cut from women, but it all started with first exaggerating the death toll.
And they first said it was 1,400.
And I think I was one of the first people, at least with a platform in the English language, to say that many of those that they initially counted were actually Palestinians.
And they were disseminating photos of people who looked burned and they looked like they had been charred and burned alive.
In fact, those were Palestinians who had infiltrated from Gaza, who were hit by Israeli Apache helicopters or Israeli artillery fire, and they were trying to pass them off as Jewish Israelis.
Israel months later lowered its death toll to 1,200.
But if we consider that 400 at least of those were Israeli soldiers who are combatants in uniform enforcing the siege of Gaza, not innocent civilians.
And now we consider that hundreds were Israeli citizens killed by the Israeli army.
It doesn't look like this second Holocaust that they tried to sell it as.
And so they have to constantly muddy the waters and attack anyone who dares to talk about the Hannibal directive.
And now it's like nine months later, Gaza's destroyed.
It's too late.
So now Israeli media can really talk about it.
And I bet you, you know, U.S. media will start to, the New York Times will have some discussion about it, like in the fog of war.
Yeah.
And they'll use the passive voice.
And then they'll say, we did it.
We finally covered it.
By the time they do it, the damage is done.
That's right.
So they wanted to inflate all the numbers.
They wanted to make it more horrific.
They wanted to spread the propaganda so they could have the political capital to go in and do this mass slaughter that they're doing.
And now I guess that they've done most of it.
I guess it's okay for Horetz to start reporting the truth.
Is that what it looks like to you?
Obviously.
Why didn't they do it before?
It's just the way that the Western mainstream media works.
I mean, you can look at any, look at any major issue today, like Joe Biden's dementia.
Now it's okay for the New York Times to do real reporting because no one can deny the dementia.
And Joe Biden is a threat to anyone who believes that the most important thing in the world is to stop the new Hitler Donald Trump from taking office.
So the New York Times can report that the Biden White House has been feeding questions to journalists who want to interview Biden, that the journalists have to agree to ask the questions the White House wants.
Now they can report a Parkinson's doctor has been visiting the White House.
But if Biden had performed well in the debate, they wouldn't have done that real reporting because their whole agenda is to back up the political consensus, the transatlantic political consensus.
And part of that is that Israel has a quote-unquote right to defend itself as it occupies indigenous people, tortures them and slaughters them.
So they slaughtered them.
They got away with it.
Now it's okay.
We can talk about this scandal.
Max Blumedhoff from the Gray Zone.
Great job.
I'm glad to see you vindicated once again.
And, you know, I mean, that's the, this is, this is the, this is the life you've chosen, Max.
I mean, let's be honest.
I'm sure you know the feeling too.
Yes, of course.
Of course.
Again and again and again.
Yes.
Everybody should check out the Gray Zone.
They do great reporting, grayzone.com.
Max, thanks for coming on.
It's great to talk to you.
Thanks a lot, Jimmy.
Okay.
Appreciate it.
All right, buddy.
Things are very heated at the White House briefing.
So they're asking her, is Joe Biden being treated for Parkinson's?
And who's the doctor that visited him?
Now, I'll play it for you.
That he gets every year that we provide to all of you.
Very basic direct questions.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
Wait a second.
Eight times or at least once in regards to the message.
So he's like, I'm asking you the direct question.
Did this doctor come to the White House eight times or at least once and to treat him?
And who is this guy?
Who is the doctor?
Hold on a second.
You should be able to answer by this point.
Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, wait a minute.
Ed, please.
A little respect here.
Please.
So every year around the president's physical examination, he sees a neurologist.
That's three times, right?
So I am telling you that he has seen a neurologist three times while he has been in this presidency.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm telling you that he has seen them three times.
That is what I'm sharing with you, right?
So, every time he has a physical, he has had to see a neurologist.
So, that is answering that question.
No, it's not.
No, it is.
It is.
You're asking me.
Can I just answer?
I also said to you, Ed, I also said to you, for security reasons, we cannot share names.
We cannot share names.
We have to others he would have met with.
We cannot.
We cannot share names if someone came here.
We cannot share names of specialists broadly, from a dermatologist to a neurologist.
We cannot share names.
There are security reasons.
We have to, we have to protect.
I understand that.
I are came out of here.
So, what he's saying, I'm pretty sure, is there's a White House visitors list that you have to sign in.
I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying.
It's public record.
And she's saying, I can't tell you what that is.
The only thing I don't get, like, he said, I just looked it up.
Well, you would know who the name of so, so the names are on there, but he doesn't know which one is the doctor.
That's the only thing I'm confused about.
By the way, this was a raucous, this wasn't just this interaction.
There was, there's, it was raucous the whole way through.
And at point, she looked like she was about to cry.
I cannot from here confirm any of that because we have to keep their privacy.
I think they would appreciate that too.
We have to give them.
It is public.
I hear that.
Unless the White House is.
Hold on a second.
There's no reason to get back and go back and forth and be in this aggressive way.
What are you missed about?
What do you miss?
Everything he just asked about.
And then every time I come back and I answer the question that you guys asked, I never answered the question incorrectly.
That is not true.
I was asked about a medical exam.
I was asked about a physical.
That was in the line of question that I answered.
And I so even this is Sagar Anjetty.
He says the White House cannot publicly confirm the name of a Parkinson's expert who they released on their own visitor logs.
See, that's what I let alone confirm or deny whether it was for a visit for Biden's health.
This might be one of the most bullshit answers in the history of Washington.
I thought it was Donald Trump's press secretary that were all big liars.
Sager taking the gloves off.
I guess they really aren't done protecting Joe Biden over at that show.
The White House cannot publicly confirm the name of the Parkinson's expert who they released on their own visitor law.
That's what this guy's saying.
He goes, you got the visitors' logs.
So I don't know why they need her to say the name then.
Except maybe they got the visitors logs and they have to now go back and check out which one of every one of those.
I'm sure there's hundreds of visitors to the White House every day.
So they have to go check which one is a Parkinson's expert, figure out who that is.
I think that's what's happening.
I think that's what's happening there.
That's there.
So, and all the while, they're saying Donald Trump is the big liar.
All the while, while they're in the middle of telling the biggest lies of their political career, that Joe Biden isn't demented.
All the while, they're telling the biggest lie of their political career.
They still, the only thing they have is Donald Trump's a big liar.
So things got heated.
You should go watch the whole thing.
It's kind of crazy.
Oh, there's Deucey, and he was doing everything except light off fireworks to try to get called on, and she would not call on him.
And I got that from Jonathan Tourley.
He was there, I guess.
And he tweeted that out.
He said something similar to what I just said.
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