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So you might have heard that Coleman Hughes had a bit of a hard time this week on The View when he went on to promote his new book.
Now he went on with Joe Rogan, and Rogan was pretty funny.
He called The View a rabies-infested hen house.
He must be taking lessons from Keaton.
That's a Keaton line if I ever heard one.
This is the man who described Debbie Wasserman Schultz as a raisin-faced Medusa.
This is probably his all-time classic.
All right.
So I intercut these.
I intercut the Rogan interview with the relevant clips from The View.
So we'll talk a little bit about the thesis of his book as we go, as it arises.
So let's take a look.
I didn't know who Sonny Hostin was.
I actually still really don't know.
So I wasn't expecting necessarily for her to kind of try to ambush me in that way and attack my character in that way.
And I responded to it in the moment as I do.
And I didn't expect it to go as viral as it did.
It is the show that people love to hate.
Yes, that's true.
They get so much hate watching and hate watching viral clips of them saying ridiculous things.
I mean, it is a rabies-infested hen house.
Not my question, but when you say that socioeconomics picks out people in a better way than race, when you do look at the socioeconomics, you see the huge disparity between white households and black households.
You see the huge disparity between white households and Hispanic households.
So your argument, and I've read your book twice because I wanted to give it a chance.
I think she came into it with an agenda.
Of course.
They do everything with an agenda.
Yeah.
You know.
She came into it, it seems, really wanting to paint me as someone that has been co-opted by the right wing.
Yeah.
And I don't know how much research she had done into me.
She claimed to have read my book twice, which is almost certainly not true.
Yeah.
Because she was totally mis-summarizing.
When did the book come out?
February.
The odds are very low.
Very low, right?
Yeah, very low.
Think of how many guests they have on their show.
How many things they have to do.
Family obligations.
Yeah, yeah.
What is it, about 250 pages?
Something like that, yeah.
I don't think so.
Yeah.
Your argument for colorblindness, I think, is something that the right has co-opted.
And so many in the black community, if I'm being honest with you, because I want to be, believe that you are being used as a pawn by the right and that you're a charlatan of sorts.
He's not a Republican.
So how do you...
He's never voted for a Republican.
Well, you've said that you're a conservative.
No.
No.
No, you did.
You actually said that in a podcast that you did two weeks ago.
I said I was a conservative.
He's not a Republican.
Yes, he did.
So, but my question to you, my question to you is, how do you respond to those critics?
Okay, let's give it a little answer.
First thing I want to, I think it's very important.
The quote that you just pointed out about doing something special for the Negro, that's from the book Why We Can't Wait that I just mentioned.
Yes.
A couple paragraphs later, he lays out exactly what that something special was.
Yes.
And it was the Bill of Rights for the Disadvantage, a broad class-based policy.
But he also says you must include race.
No, he didn't.
He says it's a...
Yes, he does.
Okay, well, everyone can go, everyone should go read the book Why We Can't Wait.
Let's not get sidetracked by that.
Yeah.
I don't think I've been co-opted by anyone.
I've only voted twice, both for Democrats.
Although I'm an independent, I would vote for a Republican, probably a non-Trump Republican, if they were compelling.
I don't think there's any evidence I've been co-opted by anyone.
And I think that that's an ad hominem tactic people use to not address really the important conversations we're having here.
And I think it's better and it would be better for everyone if we stuck to the topics rather than make it about me.
With no evidence that I've been co-opted.
I want to give you the opportunity to respond to the...
Yeah, I appreciate it.
All right.
So, yeah.
So, that whole segment, whatever you think of Coleman Hughes'theory, which is essentially it was the Bernie Sanders premise that, you know, I didn't include everything in the segment.
But he's basically saying because black and Hispanic people are disproportionately impoverished.
And if you do more class-based programs, they will disproportionately benefit.
Now, Hauston points, tries to attack him as believing that, you know, that we should have a colorblind society, which he says, you know, that's impossible.
Of course, you're going to recognize race.
It's a question of dealing with people first as human beings.
Now, this was, as he pointed out in an interview he did with Matt Taibbi, this was left-wing race relations 101 until people like Ibram X. And Ibram
X. you agree with that or don't agree with it the way that he was treated by them on the view was absolutely unconscionable and as i will demonstrate um in terms of what she says about what uh mlk's book says or doesn't say which i I must say,
yes, you can invoke the thoughts of somebody that you admire, but it's certainly not decisive either way, either way.
Now, I suspect because Hostin is so dishonest, what Hughes contends, and from what I know about the end of King's career, is probably true.
He probably advocated a class-based program similar to what he's advocated.
Well, no, that's absolutely true.
I mean, that's, as a matter of fact, true.
I mean, it was unbelievable that she said, I forget exactly what she said, but she says something to the effect of, well, King wrote about class earlier in his life, but had mostly backgrounded it later in his life, which is absolutely not true.
I mean, that is just that is just a bald face lie, or she's just incredibly ignorant.
His last project was the Poor People's Campaign.
His last project was the Poor People's March.
He talked, he foregrounded economics in his last days.
Some might say that's why he met the fate that he met.
Exactly.
Some might say that.
Well, she acted like he had somehow abandoned any sort of like class rhetoric.
That's just absolutely untrue.
Well, it's just the whole, the whole display is disgusting.
The name-dropping of King's daughter that way.
Just even, you know, Taibbi pointed this out in his article.
No, she mentioned his daughter to make herself sound like an expert when what she was saying was completely wrong.
It is just factually, historically 101 wrong that Martin Luther King stopped talking about class as much later in his life.
His last project before he was killed was the Poor People's Campaign, was the Poor People's March.
That was the last thing that he was working on.
Right.
And what he's saying is true.
These people, they will always want to attack the character of the person rather than the ideas they're presenting because their own ideas are on such weak ground.
And they'll just lie.
They'll just lie.
I mean, according to people who have tried to find this, he denied that he ever described himself as a conservative.
It looks like she just threw that out there, just made it up.
But at the end, she says something that we can demonstrably prove is just not true.
So let's see what Rogan had to say about this.
It's a dumb way of addressing a thing and to immediately say that someone's been co-opted with no evidence whatsoever.
There's nothing about anything that you say that seems right-wing.
You know, you're just objectively looking at these subjects and giving a very intelligent and measured opinion of them.
That's just not, and just because some people who happen to vote Republican may agree with you.
Yeah, that's a ridiculous statement that you're co-opted.
I think you're probably one of the least co-opted people I've ever talked to.
You're very open-minded.
You're very objective.
I try to be.
I try to be.
But, you know, I would argue, even if I were co-optive, co-opted, hypothetically, that doesn't make my argument here right now wrong.
Right.
Right.
Because people that are co-opted sometimes say true things.
Yes.
So even if I were, I would say it's still an ad hominem attack.
It's to the person rather than to the argument.
Yes.
So let's get on to the issue.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, now you want to see a ding bat at work.
All right.
So Joy Behar here doesn't even know what she's talking about, which she concedes.
She says, we talk about anti-racism.
I don't know who the people are.
Maybe you know.
He actually has to tell her who the people are and then goes and makes a case against his book based on the fact that he has an issue with anti-racism, which she concedes at the beginning of the question.
She doesn't know what it is or who advocates the idea.
So here you go.
Good question.
Because you write that the anti-racism movement, there are a couple of people I don't even know who they are.
Maybe Robin DiAngelo.
Robin D'Angelo, Ibram Kendi, for instance.
Okay.
Like he has to help her set up the question.
Right.
But if you need the guest to set up the question, maybe you shouldn't be asking the fucking question.
Maybe you shouldn't be on this panel.
Maybe you should not be on TV.
Maybe you are too much of a ding bat to be on TV talking about politics.
Something you could say about most of the people on this show.
Well, you say that that is just another form of racism.
And you even say it has a lot in common with white supremacy.
How can you compare those two things?
Anti-racism.
You're comparing it to white supremacy.
Because they both view your race as an extremely significant part of who you are.
So white supremacists, they obviously say, we all know what they say.
Neo-racists like Robin D'Angelo, they say that to be white is to be ignorant, for example.
Well, this is a racial stereotype.
And I want to call a spade a spade and say this is not the style of anti-racism we have to be teaching our kids.
We should be teaching them that your race is not a significant feature of who you are.
Who you are is your character, your value, and your skin color doesn't say anything about that.
That's actually misunderstanding what Robin D'Angelo's position is.
It's in her book.
Okay, so keep that in mind.
Hostin's denial that that's what Robin D'Angelo's book actually says.
We'll get back to that.
If you see the audience applauding there, that happens repeatedly during the segment.
And I think that was really pissing off Sonny Hostin because these ideas, they are not popular, even in the communities that they are supposedly trying to address.
When Hostin says in that segment, you know, some black people are saying which?
The rich ones that you know?
Which ones are saying that he's co-opted?
Who exactly?
Keaton, anything?
Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I think that's all right.
And that's all good.
And in this context, I mean, yeah, they came off looking like idiots because at the view, that's exactly what they are.
But he's also a pretty pro-Israel piece of garbage.
I know.
As well.
Yes.
So just want to say that.
I don't feel like we can let that go anymore.
Like, I don't feel like, I feel like that sticks in my craw too much to just ignore in a segment like this.
Yeah.
He actually, from what I understand, maybe we'll do a follow-up on this.
Yeah, that was a whole other thing on Rogan where Rogan was putting out into genocide.
Yes, they got into it a little bit.
Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing.
I watched like the first minute and a half.
That was enough to know, enough to say that.
Yep.
Yep.
No, you're right.
Interesting part was their audience seemed to be on my side.
Yes.
Yes.
And that's their audience.
Yes.
Well, their audience is not really their audience.
Their audience is a group of people they bring in to watch television shows.
You know, I don't know if you've ever seen audiences before for TV shows, but a lot of them are paid.
They're paid to be there.
So because they have to guarantee that there's going to be people there.
So there's services that you hire.
And when a show gets really, really popular, like Letterman or something like that, obviously it has its own fan base.
Those people will try to get tickets before anybody else does.
And in that case, they probably don't need to use a service anymore.
They just get actual fans.
But arguably, like the fans, the real fans of the view that are like, oh, these ladies are on point.
Most of those people can't leave the house.
Like they're probably immobile.
Right, right.
That's true.
Okay.
So now I've been out here in Hollywood enough times to know that if you walk around in the right areas, they'll be handing out free tickets to the Bill Maher taping, for instance.
I didn't know they actually pay people to sit in audiences.
Misha, you've been out here forever.
Have you ever seen this?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
I always thought it was just free.
I mean, I knew they didn't charge to get in.
I knew it was free.
I was like, I'm not sure if I'm doing this when I was like a young guy.
But yeah, I didn't know they actually paid audience members.
Depending on the show.
Yeah, some of them.
It's very, very, very little.
Okay.
Yeah, I had no idea.
All right.
Well, that helps to explain because you very often wonder who the fuck wants to be in a room with these witches.
That explains it.
They're paid to be there.
Okay.
Thank you, Joe.
Cleared that up.
All right.
So Matt Taibbi did a great article on this.
If you're not a member of his sub stack, I am do dissonances, Racket News.
They do some great, he does some great stuff over there.
On the view, a crack finally shows in the propaganda facade.
So he did a little bit of a QA with him.
I'm just going to get into a little bit of it.
But if you remember, Sonny Hostin said that he was misrepresenting Robin D'Angelo's work.
And Taibbi dug up a relevant quote.
This is from White Fragility.
How can I say that if you are white, your opinions on racism are most likely ignorant when I don't even know you?
I can say so because nothing in mainstream U.S. culture gives us the information we need to have the nuanced understanding of arguably the most complex and enduring social dynamic of the last several hundred years.
A positive white identity is an impossible goal.
I strive to be less white.
I mean, it sounds like he accurately described it to me.
Striving to be less white.
Okay.
So this is a little bit from Taibbi.
His current career is only possible or necessary.
In his new book, he says he finds race boring and says he didn't choose the topic, it chose me because he's confronting anti-racist writers like Kendi, who have had extraordinary recent success in radically redefining both racism and the goals of the civil rights movement.
Kendi has also radically redefined grifting because it looks like he stole $40 million from the institute he was supposed to be running.
And I don't know, I haven't heard anything about it.
Looks like he's going to get a pass on that.
Nice work if you can get it.
Surfing on ideas that until recently were niche concepts in remote corners at a handful of elite universities, Kendi popularized the idea that all unequal outcomes are caused by racism and made respectable the incredible idea that the only remedy to racist discrimination is anti-racist discrimination.
This shift from a standard of equal opportunity to equity, from the Kingian, all we say to America is be true to what you said on paper, to Kendi's, the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination, is a huge leap.
And it's plain dishonesty to pretend it isn't or that one flowed naturally into the other.
Exactly.
That's how I think a lot of these ideas play.
They try to present themselves as building on previous movements when actually in many ways they are repudiations of previous movements in these areas, whether gender or race or sexuality.
You have anything, Keaton?
Well, yeah, and I think part of why King was so much more effective than any of these sort of modern day grifters, if you want to call them that, I think that's fair, is precisely because he brought an economic component to it.
He organized workers.
He spoke to ordinary people in ways that these people really don't.
Robin D'Angelo gets paid by corporations to go and lecture workers, so she gets some exposure to them, but it's in this very sort of like clinical setting.
Abram X. Kendi is an academic.
And, you know, a lot of those ideas live and die in those types of settings.
They don't really become zeitgeist in the way that King's ideas did, thankfully.
Yeah, I mean, I think what's really obvious is if you want to know how effective these ideas are at challenging power, look who promotes them.
Big corporations.
Yes, big corporations are in the business of undermining their own power.
Yes, it's academia and corporations.
These are top-down.
Whereas, you know, Martin Luther King was like very salt of the earth.
He spoke to ordinary people.
And, you know, that's where you're always going to find more power because there's more numbers.
Exactly.
And speaking to that, finally, this is just one question from the QA Taibi did with him.
Is this neo-racism just fashion among a narrow slice of people or something that's actually spread far and wide?
To which you responds, I tend to think it's only popular in the liberal elite.
These views do not have deep subscription in the Democratic Party base, even.
And the easiest way to see this is by how many people have made this point with the word Latin X. At first, it's like you heard it every two seconds.
It came out of the mouth of even Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and so forth.
And then when they finally did a poll asking Hispanic people, do you know this word?
Do you like this word?
You had literally 4%.
But you'd actually never guess that if you were yourself an elite in the bubble.
If you were just on Twitter, you'd think it was 30%, 40% of people.
I think it's like that about a lot of these things.
Amen.
Amen.
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So Biden warns Netanyahu the situation in Gaza is unacceptable.
Oh, you think?
I think you just noticed that, huh?
All right.
Well, you know, he's slow, but he's determined.
Today I spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu.
Humanitarian situation unacceptable.
Israel must influence civilian harm and the safety of workers and work towards the ceasefire to bring the hostages home.
President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday that the United States would reassess its policy toward the war in Gaza if the Jewish state does not take immediate steps to address the disastrous humanitarian situation in the enclave and protect aid workers.
Quote, in the coming hours and days, we will be looking for concrete, tangible steps that they're taking, said White House spokesman John Kirby.
Is that Count Morlock Keaton?
Is that the Count Morlock guy, John Kirby?
No, the Count Morlock guy is Matthew Miller.
That's Matthew Miller.
That's right.
The phone call between the two leaders came three days after seven workers from the Jose Andres-run World Central Kitchen were killed by an Israeli strike on a clearly marked convoy, igniting outrage in the United States and abroad.
The president held the call with Netanyahu specifically because of the deadly strike, Kirby said, adding that Biden was shaken by the attack.
Okay.
It got through to him.
In Thursday's call, Biden, quote, made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers, according to a White House summary of the call.
All right.
In all seriousness, I mean, we have fun at the president's expense, but it sounds like he just woke up to the fact that he's dealing with a nation of psychopaths.
Yes.
You know, like it got through.
Holy shit.
They actually, with purpose and aforethought, killed a bunch of aid workers working for a company that's very close with the IDF and the State Department.
Like, I think he just was not prepared to process that.
I mean, I think, you know, a huge part of this is the realization that Netanyahu doesn't give a shit about Biden's policy.
He's a rabid dog.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He doesn't care.
And I think Biden realizes finally, not that the Israelis are like murdering innocent people.
I think he's known that all along, obviously.
But I think he realizes that it's not just going to be Brad.
Netanyahu is not, that does not answer to me at all.
Like I actually hold no sway because reporting, I remember when I don't know if it was in this first wave of the most recent wave of State Department resignations rather or the previous one, but it came out in a report.
I think Politico put it out.
I could be wrong about that.
But one of these major newspapers put out that Biden thought at the beginning that by giving Israel most of what they wanted early on, they would feel a certain loyalty to him to the point where when he asked them to rein it in, they would.
No.
Of course not.
They'd rather have Trump back.
They'd rather have Trump back.
They're just going to use you for all the money and weapons they can suck out of you.
And then, yeah, they'll just feed you to the wolves.
And, you know, if you lose, you lose.
They don't care.
They are the most disloyal people you could think of.
Biden, I mean, I don't know if you have these on the show list, but you got like neocon Zionists here who are now Saying that Biden is pro-Hamas.
You had Joe Walsh tweet out, you know, because it was Anthony Blinken who made a speech that said, well, you know, we have to, you know, manage our response better.
Otherwise, we, meaning Israel and Israel's allies, become indistinguishable from those we fight.
And how dare you compare Israel to Hamas?
These are people who are just staunchly pro-Israel, and they were pro-Biden to the extent that they felt Biden was sufficiently pro-Israel in the early days of this, I won't say war because the war started way before October 7th, but this latest escalation.
As soon as Biden turns around a little bit, they will jump shit.
And I think he's, I do think he was blindsided by that.
I don't think he was ignorant of the fact that Israel was murdering women and kids.
I think he was a lot of people of the disloyal scumbags they were.
I thought, you know, and this is what all of those pieces that I mentioned a moment ago wrote.
He thought that if he gave them what they wanted early, they would show some loyalty to him and cooperate if and when he needed them to wind it down or rein it in.
And no such loyalty exists, obviously.
My theory is they showed him the pictures.
He said, hang on, this must be a mistake.
They're white.
He made clear that U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel's immediate action on these steps.
It marked the first time Biden has indicated a willingness to reassess his unwavering support of Israel's campaign in Gaza as pressure grows among prominent Democrats to condition weapons sales to Israel as the death toll in Gaza has surpassed 33,000, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The president's rhetoric has grown increasingly sharp regarding Israel's handling of the crisis, but until now, he had not directly warned Israel of consequences if it does not change course.
It also marked a rare moment in recent decades when the United States has suggested its support for Israel was anything but unconditional.
Secretary of State Anthony Blinken reiterated the message in Brussels on Thursday.
And Senator Chris Koons, a close Biden ally and staunch supporter of Israel, said the United States is at that point where conditions must be placed on military aid to Israel.
So just to remind people not to take this for more than it's worth, this is from Walid Shaheed.
Every time Netanyahu crosses a line, Biden resets the countdown for consequences.
So here are some headlines of Biden warning them.
In Tel Aviv, Biden's embrace of Israel came with a gentle warning.
Lincoln will discuss in Israel steps to minimize harm to Gaza civilians.
So we've been down this road before.
Dan Cohen points out: Biden just approved another $18 billion in weapons to baby killer Netanyahu.
So this official's comment is presumably about the president's adult diaper, the comment being Biden is pissed.
And here's Afshin Ratanzi.
Biden approves billions of dollars worth of more bombs, bullets, and fighter jets to Israel, then calls Netanyahu to demand an immediate ceasefire.
A man gives an arsonist lighter fluid in matches and tells the arsonists to stop starting fires.
Yeah, exactly.
You want to show your Sirius, you cut them off.
Biden breaking Biden to send sternly worded letters to Netanyahu along with upcoming weapons shipment.
So that skepticism is completely warranted.
But we're going to end the show today on a positive note.
It seems to have had some effect.
Israel to reopen Erez crossing into Gaza after Biden sounds warning over protecting civilians.
The office of the Israeli prime minister said early on Friday that the Erez crossing, which lies in northern Gaza and for years served as the only passenger terminal for people to move in and out of the territory, would be temporarily reopened.
According to the statement, more aid would also be allowed through the port of Ashdod, which lies about 40 kilometers north of Gaza.
And authorities would also allow, quote, increased Jordanian aid through Karim Shalom, a border crossing in southern Israel.
White House National Security Council spokesperson Adrian Watson welcomed the announcement, adding that the plan must now be fully and rapidly implemented.
Quote, as the president said today on the call, U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel's immediate action on these and other steps, including steps to protect innocent civilians and the safety of aid workers, Watson said.
The U.S. has provided crucial military aid and diplomatic support for Israel's nearly six-month offensive, which was launched in response to Hamas's 7th October attack in southern Israel.
WCK has called on Australia, Canada, Poland, the U.S., and the UK, whose citizens were killed in the attack, and that's what it took.
I mean, let's not forget, you have over 30,000 Palestinians were dead, but the hammer did not come down until some white people got killed.
I mean, that's just a fact.
This shows you Biden could have done this at any time, right?
It could have gotten hard on them.
He didn't get hard on them until some white people got whacked.
Not to minimize it with that term.
It's horrible.
To join an independent investigation of the incident.
On Thursday, the parents of one of the WCK kitchen employees, U.S.-Canada dual citizen Jacob Flickinger, told the BBC that they did not accept Israel's apology for his death and rejected Netanyahu's description of the attack as a tragic accident.
So my question, because we did a segment on this too, what was the name of the Gray Zone affiliate who did the video of the settlers so that people can look at Lafredo?
Jeremy?
Lafredo.
Lafredo.
All right.
So you can look up on X. He did an incredible video of settlers blocking the aid trucks.
So this is great news, I would assume, because Israel, whatever Biden said, I guess made them decide to play along until he gets distracted and then they'll go back to the same shit.
But for the moment, they're letting aid in.
Will the settlers be blocking the aid as they were doing before?
I hope not.
And then will Israel stop them from doing it this time?
Yeah, I mean, you know, on the previous question there, the other thing I just want to add is that where it does boil down to just idiocy and incompetence is that Biden thinks he has any political future to fight for at this point.
Like, how do you not realize how too late it is?
Like, this was stuff to be doing right away, in my opinion.
They should have imposed an immediate ceasefire on October 7th.
That might sound extreme to some in the audience, but given Netanyahu's promise for an unprecedented response, he said on October 7th, as the attack was happening, he says the enemy will pay an unprecedented price.
Anyone with the most cursory knowledge of this issue knew that unprecedented could only mean genocide because Israel has been walking up to that line for the past 75 years.
And so it really should have happened that day.
We should have told them: you are not going into Gaza one inch until we oversee exactly what you're doing because we do not trust you one bit to respect innocent life there.
That's what I think they should have done.
Politically speaking, at latest, that had to happen November.
As soon as they hit that first refugee camp, I think that was on Halloween, right around Halloween, you know, late October.
They leveled that refugee camp, killed a couple hundred people because they said there was one Hamas commander they were looking for.
At that point, at that point, you had to say, not a dime more, not another weapon.
And to let this go to this point, now it's April.
It's April, seven months later, or six months later, whatever it is.
Now you're going to say, now that there's only one city left in Gaza, and it's not even really a remaining city.
I mean, Rafa is in ruins.
Now you start saying we're going to start conditioning aid.
That's completely toothless.
No one with any self-respect could vote for Joe Biden anyway at this point, even if he secures everything that they want at this point.
And so the idea that they thought they had as much political leash as they did, to me, that can only be explained as just that is just dumb.
Yes.
But it's such a sea change in U.S. policy.
And this is such a toothless administration.
It took tens of thousands of deaths for them to get there.
It's a political organization whose ethos is do nothing.
Do nothing.
Do nothing.
Nothing will fundamentally.
Democratic Party.
Yes.
Do nothing.
Nothing will fundamentally change.
Nothing can change.
Nothing should change.
And that is part of why they were caught as flat-footed on this as they were.
And now it is, it's too late.
What?
These Arab voters in Michigan are going to all of a sudden warm up to you because you secure a ceasefire now?
Now that there's no Gaza left?
Now that, I mean, we've kept saying 30,000.
It's really more like 40 at this point.
Sure.
Sure.
You know, and these numbers are going to start going up.
Horrible to say, but probably at a faster rate than they already have been because starvation is going to set in.
Disease is going to set in as the weather warms up.
So it's just, it's far too late.
We still obviously need a ceasefire because we need to save as many people as we possibly can.
But how the Biden team thinks there's anything to fight for at this point in terms of saving their own ass come November, that ship has to have sailed by now.
It has to have sailed by the way.
Well, well, I'll tell you, I decided not to cover it specifically.
But, you know, Trump lost two of his court cases this week.
He made bail for the Letitia James thing.
But, you know, he'll probably be on trial in the next couple of months.
That's what they're banking on.
Oh, no, no.
Look.
No, yeah, absolutely.
No, but look, they could still fall ass backwards into a win in November.
That's not what I mean by that ship is sailed.
What I mean by that ship is sailed is none of these voters, none of the Arab and Muslim voters.
They're not going to have a change of heart past this point.
Yeah.
No, look, through some random, you know, mix of events with Trump's prosecutions and other, you know, possible deep state interventions or crises that haven't been manufactured yet.
Yeah, could they figure out a way to smuggle him through and over?
Yeah, it's possible.
But I'm talking about people who have abandoned Biden over Gaza at this point are not going to be one back with any of this bullshit.
Yeah.
All right.
I think that is a show.
Hey, Keaton, you did a good job, man.
Where can they find you?
Oh, thanks.
Yeah.
Do dissidents.
Do dissidents and Rumble.
Yes.
Do dissidents, YouTube and Rumble.
And we're on Substack.
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All right.
That will be it for the weekend.
I will hang around for the super chats.
King goes to, I don't know, man.
He can't have those baked chicken wings anymore.
Not if he's a man of principle.
I ate already.
I ate early today.
I had an early dinner.
I had a Sunday-style dinner today because I knew I was going to be here.
All right.
All right.
I will see you Sunday on Dew Dissidence and Monday back here.
Morning Joe did some journalism.
They really hurt themselves.
I hear Mika's in the hospital with a hernia now.
But they revealed what anybody who really pays attention to this story knows, but that does not include the audience of Morning Joe.
So they gave him a little bit of an education.
So Netanyahu bolstered Hamas.
Did you know that?
I bet our audience knows that.
This is from the nation.
That's what Kurt said last time.
Yeah, Trump is like, it's like the Democrats, Hamas.
Because Hillary, you know, they get the one in the first place.
Yeah.
The intelligence failures that allowed the October 7th attack to take place have received some press attention, but have yet to be the focus of sustained political ire.
The same is true of Netanyahu's long-standing policy of bolstering Hamas rule in Gaza, including encouraging Israel's de facto ally, Qatar, to finance the terrorist organization.
While the much-respected Israeli newspaper Heretz has covered this issue, it has been largely ignored by the international press.
On Sunday, the New York Times gave new prominence to the long-standing Netanyahu-Hamas connection in a detailed and lengthy report.
This was back in December, by the way.
According to the newspaper, quote, just weeks before Hamas launched the deadly October 7th attacks on Israel, the head of a Mossad arrived in Doha, Qatar for a meeting with Qatari officials.
For years, the Qatari government had been sending millions of dollars a month into the Gaza Strip, money that helped prop up the Hamas government there.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel not only tolerated those payments, he had encouraged them.
According to the Times, Israeli intelligence agencies traveled into Gaza with a Qatari official carrying suitcases filled with cash to disperse money.
Understand, this was not Qatari money.
Israel used Qatar as a go-between.
Retired Israeli general Shlomo Brahm described the logic of Netanyahu's position, quote, one effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
So when you hear these Zionists tell you about how many times they've offered the Palestinians a state, it's total bullshit.
They've occasionally made noises for the cameras, but this has been their actual policy behind the scenes.
That is why anytime they propose now, whether anyone proposes a two-state solution, you should reject it out of hand because Israel has demonstrated over the course of 75 years with policies like this, they have no actual interest in a two-state solution.
You're only encouraging them.
You're only giving them more time to eliminate Palestinians from the area.
That's all they've ever used those conversations for as a smokescreen for their actual agenda.
Back to the article.
If the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza, then the Palestinian authority, a compromised comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bank, would be further weakened.
This, according to Brahm, would allow Netanyahu to say, I have no partner.
And you'll hear that from Zionists all the time.
We have no partner for peace.
In 2015, Basile Somtrik, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu's government, summed up the strategy by stating, quote, the Palestinian authority is a burden.
Hamas is an asset.
According to the Times, quote, as far back as December 2012, Mr. Netanyahu told the prominent Israeli journalist, Dan Margalit, that it was important to keep Hamas strong as a counterweight to the Palestinian authority in the West Bank.
Mr. Margalit, in an interview, said that Mr. Netanyahu told him that having two strong rivals, including Hamas, would lessen pressure on him to negotiate toward a Palestinian state.
Netanyahu denies this conversation.
You know what that's worth.
Although informative, the Times article suffers from the historical amnesia and political myopia of the newspaper's coverage of the conflict.
The article presents the policy as the fault of Netanyahu alone and ignores the ample historical record that the current prime minister was following a cynical strategy that is decades old.
All right.
They want to say, oh, Netanyahu has to go.
They're trying to scapegoat him.
Problem isn't Netanyahu.
Netanyahu is the logical conclusion of where the entire Zionist project has been going all of this time.
Anything before we get into the video, Keaton?
No, let's get to the video.
This is great.
I love this one.
This is great.
And I want you to make note because you want to see what scumbags these Israelis are.
Look at how he tries to deflect to Qatar as if this is Qatar's fault.
These people are all degenerate liars, always.
Qatar is a big enemy of Qatar, Mr. Mayor.
Mayor, can I ask you a question?
I'm so glad you brought that up.
So I have always looked at Hamas as Nazis.
They're terrorists.
Have you always looked at Hamas as Nazis?
Unfortunately, yes, and it was demonstrated October 7th what they do.
Yeah, so you always have.
Have most of the Israeli people always looked upon Hamas as Nazis?
Well, you know, some of the people in Israel, because we seek peace, thought maybe one day they will prefer peace than war.
October 7th Netanyahu.
What about Benjamin Netanyahu?
What about him?
Has he always looked upon Hamas as Nazis?
Well, you're talking about Qatal or Hamas?
Hamas.
Hamas.
I think that everyone understands that Hamas's charter is to destroy Israel.
And by the way, not only Israel.
So you've always known this.
I mean, yeah, you know, so let me ask you this question.
And I can't get an answer.
And maybe we're just not covering it in the press.
Maybe you can help me out.
Why did Benjamin Netanyahu send the head of Mossad to Doha three weeks before the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust and told Qatar to continue funding Hamas?
I think, if anything, October 7 shattered that concept.
And it's my understanding.
Like you just said, you always knew they were Nazis.
I always knew they were Nazis.
I would never give.
We were always angry that Qatar funded Hezbollah and Hamas.
I want to know why Benjamin Netanyahu do that.
Let me ask you this.
Why did Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump know in 2018 the sources of Hamas's illicit funding and they still did nothing?
They wanted that money to get to Hamas.
I'd like to know why, because we don't know in America.
Have there been any investigations in Israel at this point?
I'm sure we'll investigate it.
And I totally agree with you.
That Qatar is a wolf in sheep's clothes.
Look at this fucking scumbag.
Look at this fucking scumbag.
Has nothing to do with Qatar.
It has nothing to do with Qatar.
This is, if you've watched Mark Regev, if you've watched any of the other proxies for Israel, this is what they do.
They just lie in any way that they think they can get away with, any way they think they can get away with, because they have.
They have for so long.
They've been able to get away with this for so long.
Anything, Keaton?
Well, I mean, we did a segment on our show yesterday morning about a Morning Joe panel.
Joe and Mika weren't around for that one, but a Morning Joe panel that basically just skewered Israel and skewered Biden for his weakness on this issue.
And I said in that segment, the dam is broken now.
And you can see this now, too.
You know, this is not, this is nothing Joe and Mika didn't know for the past six months.
It's been pretty common.
Story broken.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, this has been, you know, this has been fairly common knowledge for a long time now.
Now that Israel has lost the PR war and now that MSNBC sees it as being in its own interest to pile on them, now you're going to see interviews like this.
That's what I mean.
The floodgates are open.
There's just too much momentum going against them now.
They're never going to be able to sort of patch this up because now that you have more, I mean, once Joe and Mika, I mean, they were hosting Jonathan Greenblatt in January, bitching about the anti-Semitism on the campus rallies.
I mean, they were lockstep with the whole program and now they're doing this.
Forget it.
You can't reverse that.
You can't turn that around.
Agreed.
And there's no, no, no, no, no.
I must correct you.
Benjamin Netanyahu was asked by the leaders of Qatar, do you want us?
Do you want us, Qatar, to give money to Hamas?
This was in September.
And Netanyahu's representative said, yes, of course.
You're feeding that wolf and you're telling that wolf to feed the Nazis in Gaza.
So explain to me, because I really want to know why was Benjamin Netanyahu and his government funding, they were allies with Qatar in the funding of Hamas.
Why?
I think it's a mistake.
And it was uncovered October 7th.
October 7th demonstrated that if you think you could buy quiet peace by funding Hamas, it's a huge mistake.
And it's clear to me.
Why did Benjamin Netanyahu, knowing that their charter said that they were to kill Jews and eradicate Israel?
Why would any leader of Israel work to fund that organization to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and work with Qatar to fund Hamas?
I think that question should be asked and we'll get an answer.
We'll ask.
When are we going to get the answer?
We've been asking it for six months.
When are we going to get the answer?
At the end of the day, once we finish the war, you assholes have not been asking it for six months.
You just started this morning.
You've been doing segments about anti-Semitism on college.
You've been doing segments with fucking Jonathan Greenblatt about anti-Semitism for the last six months.
You haven't been asking these things.
That's why we're covering it now because it's the first time that you guys have covered it and it's newsworthy for that reason.
And the second quick point, I know Joe keeps talking about Nazis, Nazis, Nazis, Hamas are Nazis.
They're Nazis in Gaza.
They're not Nazis.
The Nazi on the screen is the guy in the purple tie.
That's the Nazi.
The idea for Nazis, Netanyahu is a Nazi.
These fucking scum of the earth.
Yeah, they are the Nazis.
Now, I don't condone violence against ordinary people.
I do not condone violence against civilians.
So to the extent that that happened on October 7th, I obviously do not wish that kind of violence upon anybody, but they're not Nazis.
They are a prison gang.
They're a prison gang.
And the people responsible for the creation of prison gangs are the wardens of the prison, and that's Israel.
Yes, right down to funding this gang.
Yes.
As the segment focuses on.
Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things.
Like, in the end, it's Morning Joe.
They're going to condemn Hamas, right?
Of course, he's got to say that.
And I understand.
I mean, in this case, it has some actual utility because by painting them in such severe terms, he's able to more hammer down the point.
You knew this.
You've been saying this about them for all these years.
So why are you running money to them?
Well, and you can see this guy Has never gotten a hard question.
And it just, yes, after the war, after the war.
They're all just degenerate liars.
All Zionists live with the assumption that the ends justify the means because this land was given to them by God.
Elon Papi said it best.
Most Israelis are secular, but they all believe God gave them Israel.
Right.
Yep.
Well, we'll rise and we'll deal with them.
Right now, we're focused on winning the war.
All right.
So, well, that was the end.
All right.
So they had good instincts.
Came in right at the right time.
So the press is turning with their usual profile and courage manner.
And this happens over and over in the news cycle.
If you're somebody who pays attention to the media, they love to jump out in front of a parade.
They love to take the moral position once there's no risk to taking that position.
And they'll never take the moral position if there's even an ounce of risk that they're going to run afoul of somebody in authority.
At this point, yeah, we keep hearing these intentionally leaked stories about how Joe Biden is very angry.
We keep hearing about how angry Joe Biden is.
So the word went out.
The word went out on the wire.
The Israelis are fair game.
They unleashed the media on them.
Yes.
Yes.
That's obviously what happened.
That's obviously.
And once that happens, then that's it.
I mean, you know, before these floodgates opened, poll came out last week that said only 36% of Americans supported Israeli military operations.
Right.
What's it going to be?
That was before MSNBC turned on them.
Right.
I mean, and now they have done a full turn.
I mean, like I said, if Joe and Miko wanted to, they could have done that exact same segment four months ago.
They had not performed.
Yeah.
They do it now because they have permission.
And once once MSNBC gets the green light and once the Atlantic magazine, they ran an op-ed, I think it was a week and a half ago about saying, you know, it's no longer moral to back Israel's war.
At that point, it's over.
It's over.
I don't see how they can possibly reverse this to the point where the people who are still parroting the party line, I mean, you really got to be a sicko.
I mean, you got to really just be like die in the wool, a brainwashed zombie sicko.
Well, I think at this point, they're down to Shmooly, RFK, and Juliana Margolis.
I mean, that type, yes.
Debra messing.
Yeah.
We're starting to get down to we can count them.
There was a Hollywood letter that came out today.
115 Hollywood Jews wrote a letter in defense of the Oscar speech.
And if you notice, some of the names on that list, Wallace, Sean, Joel Cohen from the Cohen brothers, Joaquin Phoenix.
If you go down the list, one thing that they have in common is they have talent.
And the Jews who signed the first letter all suck ass.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that definitely tells you something as well.
And you're going to see more and more of it.
Like, you know, hey, that's great that they did that.
They could have done it a month ago.
So I would put it in that category as well.
They sense that the tide is turning and they can get away with it.
Again, I'm glad that they did it, but they could have done it at the time and they didn't.
Oh, of course.
And that's not an accident.
Yeah.
No, absolutely.
Absolutely.
But yeah, no, obviously it's great that they did it.
It's great that they ran that segment two days back that we covered on our show.
You know, it really indicates that the bottom has fallen out.
It's not really a momentum shift.
The momentum's been going against them this whole time.
I mean, their polling in terms of support for Israel's war has gone steadily down since October 7th.
But this was just the bottom just completely falling out.
Where according to reports, Biden is upset with Netanyahu.
They had a tense phone call.
Yeah.
Right.
They had a bad phone call.
I mean, I'm sure that Safaka Lemur line didn't go over as well as Biden had thought.
That is the.
You're like a Safaka Lema.
You're always moving sideways to.
What is that supposed to mean?
I knew there was a segment.
It's a fuck a lemur.
It's a fuck.
Yeah.
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