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Oct. 20, 2023 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Craig Pasta Jardouli here.
How can I help you?
Hello, Pasta.
This is Senator Mitt Romney of the great state of Utah.
Oh, hi, Senator Romney.
Why are you calling in?
Or where are you calling in from, should I say?
Greetings from Sunny Israel.
Oh, that's right.
You're part of the senatorial delegation in Israel.
How's that going?
Oh, boy, Pasta.
I always enjoy coming to the Holy Land, and especially this time of year.
You always think of Israel as the desert because of the Bible and whatnot.
But it's also a Mediterranean country with beautiful beaches and palm trees and delicious Mediterranean cuisine.
Is that so?
Yes, we've been eating very well.
As I've said many times before, my favorite food is hot dog.
It goes without saying that kosher hot dogs are the best.
And wouldn't you know it?
The rules of kosher were developed right here in Israel hundreds of years ago.
A little hot dog history for you.
Thank you, Mitt.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish there in Israel?
Well, I'm here with Senator Schumer and others to assure our Israeli allies that the United States is here to provide whatever help they require in their current kerfuffle.
What kind of help?
Oh, you know, whatever they need.
Prayers, moral support, words of encouragement, naval blockades, air cover, boots on the ground, you know, whatever.
Yeah, I heard it got a little dicey a few days ago.
Oh, yes, Pasta, but that's part of the course in this dark corner of the globe.
Yes, while we were in Tel Aviv, Hamas launched some rockets at us, and Senator Schumer and I and others had to go to a bomb shelter.
Wow, that sounds horroring.
Oh, it was, Pasta.
Honestly, I was terrified.
It was very noisy, and I was worried that our supply of hot dogs might run out.
This anxiety increased the rate at which I was eating the hot dogs, which, of course, made the hot dogs go away faster, thereby increasing my anxiety even further.
Luckily, I was the only one concerned with this particular issue.
Also, we were only down there for 15 minutes.
Needless to say, I have had severe indigestion and heartburn ever since, for which Hamas is solely to blame.
Man, that sounds scary.
Oh, it was, but we made it out, thank God.
What do you think of Israel's disproportionate response to the October 7th attack, though?
Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was disproportionate.
I'd say it's quite proportionate.
Senator, they're claiming that they're going after Hamas, but they're indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians, killing literally thousands.
Well, they brought this on themselves.
How?
Well, Hamas uses civilians as human shields, from what Israeli officials tell me.
Also, by being Palestinians, they're on the opposite side of a conflict with Israel, which makes them the bad guys in the Western narrative.
These are all choices that Palestinians have made, and they are paying for them dearly.
Senator, they've bombed a hospital, killing over 500 people.
Well, now, hold on there.
We don't know exactly what happened.
What do you mean?
Well, I just want to say that, yes, I believe that was a horrible thing that happened, that explosion.
I'm going to stand with my fellow senator Elizabeth Warren, who tweeted, and I quote, the blast killing hundreds at a hospital in Gaza is deeply wrong.
I couldn't agree more.
The blast was wrong, and I strongly condemn the explosion itself.
And who caused the explosion?
I'm not even sure that matters at this point.
It's the explosion itself that I found deeply inappropriate.
Can't you at least acknowledge that this is an Israeli war crime?
No, no, no, no.
First of all, the IDF said it didn't do it.
That's good enough for me.
They said an Aaron Hamas rocket did all the damage.
That's impossible, Senator, and you know it.
Pasta, what I know is that Israel is our ally, and when you have an ally, you don't question them.
It doesn't work like that, Senator.
Well, it should.
Sometimes when you're an ally, the objective truth doesn't matter.
Israel is living their truth, and that should be all that matters.
Well, glad to hear you're just another shill for their murderous regime.
Thanks, Pasta.
That means a lot to me.
Well, I should probably get going.
There's a lot of sightseeing left for me to do.
Sightseeing?
Well, what else am I supposed to do?
You can only pray on camera with Chuck Schumer so many times.
And tell you what, I'll be sure to send you some extra kosher hot dogs right from the source.
Gotta go, Pasta.
The whaling wall awaits.
Goodbye, Senator.
Hey, Senator.
Establishment media sets of artists fighting.
So good luck.
Bullshit.
We can't afford.
Why is fomenting this?
Watch and see as it's jacked off the medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on.
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you you Thank you.
Thank you.
Dan, I want to talk about displacing because I think that sometimes is forgotten.
I don't know what the number is exactly right now.
I heard something that it could be close to a million Palestinians.
One million Palestinians of the 2.3 million that are in the Gaza Strip are now currently displaced from the Israeli shelling that's going on.
They have a history of doing this, right?
And I think you have talked about it before.
There are people who start questioning why they do this, but there are Zionists within the government that want to colonize Gaza.
In other words, they want that land back.
So the displacement, and you showed this in the movie in 2014, is very real.
Do you want to talk a little bit about displacing before we get into what happened in 2014?
I have a clip of the Zafer Tower and the Italian compound, which were in the middle of Gaza City, right?
Correct?
And they had no military institutions anywhere near the place.
It was just about displacing people.
Go right ahead.
Yeah, I mean, the destruction of those towers was I mean, there are several Zafar towers in Gaza, or at least there were.
There's Albasha Tower that was destroyed in the last nights of the 2014 war when I was there and I was with a Palestinian colleague at about midnight, one in the morning when we received, so we were in another high-rise tower that had also been bombed, just at the top floors were no longer, were destroyed, but the building was standing.
But we got a notification around midnight.
that Israel was going to bomb these entire towers.
And so therefore they have to be evacuated.
You know, they give you 15 minutes, 30 minutes, something like that for the people in there to run for their life.
And if they don't, well, too bad.
And they'll call like one person in the tower and say, you're responsible for getting everyone out.
So you can imagine the panic that causes, which is part of the psychological warfare.
So I watched this from, I don't know, half a mile away where, you know, you open all of the windows in where you are, because when that bomb hits, it will turn all of the glass to shards and that will go flying through the air and cut you up and maybe kill you.
Every Palestinian knows that when there's bombing, your windows are open.
So these, all of a sudden, these mass, there's a smaller bomb that hits the Italian compound.
And you see this in the documentary.
I filmed it.
And then a giant bunker buster, I think a 2,000-pound bomb bunker buster that were actually made for bombing supposed like Iranian nuclear weapons program targets or something like that hits this tower and then another one.
And it's just the most massive explosion.
I mean, I've never seen anything remotely close to that.
And the entire, everything shakes.
And then all the smoke, the entire, all of the air throughout the areas is just smoke.
So smoke just pours into the building.
And, you know, again, I'm like half a mile away.
Smoke pours in the building.
You can't breathe.
And it's that way for a while.
And there's just ash in the air.
And then they did another one that night and they did another one the next night.
And so what do those towers represent?
Those towers were built during kind of the neoliberal heyday of Gaza when the collaborator regime of the Palestinian Authority was in power before Hamas was elected and before the siege in kind of the so-called better days of Gaza.
And so there was allowed to be some kind of economic development, a sort of professional class developed and modern high-rise towers that were commercial and residential and that kind of thing.
And so at the end of the 51-day war, that's when Israel decided we're going to take those out.
We are going to take that privilege that we granted you away.
We're going to destroy your economy.
We're going to target kind of the middle and upper class of Gaza, which does exist.
And we're going to make you people just like the poorest.
And of course, displace, as you point out, huge amounts of people in the process.
For one big bomb, you just place an entire building, the residents of an entire high-rise tower, you know, hundreds of people and destroy their lives.
So that is when that whole policy of taking down entire towers, rearranging Gaza's skyline began, was at the end of the 2014 war, the last few nights.
About a year later, I was in an Israeli military conference outside of Tel Aviv where I listened to a recently retired general named Gershon Hakohen, no relation, of course.
And he said, you know, we did that to send a message to them in the same way that Al-Qaeda took out the twin towers in the U.S. to send a message.
It was all psychological as much as it was economic.
That's why we did that.
So he compared the Israeli army, his actions, to Al-Qaeda, Al-Qaeda's attack on the U.S. So that's 9-11 on that.
Remember what he said?
He said they did it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And this is to keep Israel safe.
Yeah.
Well, great job, guys.
Listen, we have a little quick clip of it.
Let's take a look at this.
And once again, the displacing.
I think people don't talk about this enough because they're like, well, at least they alerted them that they were going to bomb the building.
What do they call it?
Knocking is another technique they have.
You don't understand.
Okay.
Because I'm telling you, I didn't understand this from many, many years.
Americans, I'm sure a bunch of them think America tries to avoid civilian casualties as well and thinks that, you know, surgical strike.
You know, those words they use, like surgical strikes?
Yeah.
You know, like how your doctor would do surgery on you with a series of explosions because it's surgical.
So all those moronic phrases that I've heard for since I was a kid.
And then you watch on TV in the green.
Oh, it's a smart bomb.
Okay.
Smart.
Yeah.
It's a smart bomb.
They just do that.
So they all assume that they're doing the same great job we're done.
By the way, we're doing a not a very great job.
Not at all.
And we don't even have that much of a personal enmity with the people we were doing that to.
Imagine if you really don't like the people that you're doing that to, how much extra damage you might cause.
And the displacing is when they, you know, well, at least they got a chance to live and move on.
There's no place for them to go.
They have no freedom of movement.
They can't go anywhere.
I don't think people even know that.
I think they think that it's just like a Mexican border wall.
Yeah.
Okay.
They think that.
I'm sure I think, first of all, I didn't think about it too much at all because it's very uncomfortable to talk about.
In fact, I don't want to be in trouble for you showing me video evidence of things.
I hope it doesn't affect me that I partook in watching this video.
There's no evidence of that evidence you showed.
There's no freedom of movement.
It's an open-air prison.
And when your house is destroyed, you got nowhere to go.
Take a watch.
By August 22nd, 2014, it appeared that the war was finally ending.
Diplomats in Cairo had agreed on a ceasefire.
But with the Israeli public clamoring for more war, the military arranged one last round of strikes.
This time, targeting the heart of Gaza City.
The End
*BANG* *BANG*
Allah-u-akbar.
No.
These are the ruins of Zafir 4, a residential tower with no military value whatsoever.
Its residents make up the core of Gaza's educated middle class.
Nearly all of them had been forced to evacuate and watch as their homes, their belongings, and their memories went up in the flames of an American-made bunker buster bomb fired by Israeli jets.
From a distant tower, Dan Cohen filmed an Israeli drone strike followed by successive bunker buster bombs launched by F-16 attack jets at the Italian compound, another residential tower that was home to scores of middle-class families in Gaza City.
*Tonk*
The Israelis failed to topple the tower, but they destroyed it nonetheless.
At the base of the shattered building, we met a group of workers as they attempted to retrieve the belongings of its now homeless residents.
The water was too close to the building.
Deep inside the tower, we found one of the 2,000 pound bombs the Israeli military used to destroy it.
Thank you.
There's some things I want to talk about right here because this is after the war had ended, right?
In other words, there was a ceasefire that came through.
But, you know, you and Max had talked about in this movie, the systematic displacing of people.
And you also mentioned that the Israeli public was still hungry for more attacks against the Palestinians.
Can you provide a little context to that?
Well, the Israeli public has been inculcated, I mean, all of them since they were babies, with the idea that they are a master race and that the Palestinians don't actually exist, but they are Arab invaders who are the modern reincarnation of Nazis that murdered Jews in the Holocaust.
And that is genuinely what the vast majorities of Israelis believe.
So they see themselves as these victims, these eternal victims.
They imagine themselves as concentration camp inmates that are, that they actually, you know, who have now gotten weapons to defend themselves and are saying never again by slaughtering Palestinians, by destroying their homes, their entire families at a time and erasing them from public records.
So when the Israeli military is about to, or Netanyahu is about to declare victory for arbitrarily, because they can't actually defeat the resistance without, you know, or subjugate Gaza fully without committing a full ethnic cleansing as they're attempting to do right now.
They just arbitrarily declare, you know, oh, victory, that's it.
But the Israeli public knows that that's not true.
So they want more.
They always want more, more, more until you get like, you know, a final solution kind of thing.
So bombing those buildings, of course, also gave the public another kind of level of depravity to enjoy, you know, while imagining that, you know, they're defeating these reincarnated Nazis.
And yeah, I mean, again, you know, displacement, I think, is, you know, displacement, ethnic cleansing.
I mean, that's what it's about is just this slow ethnic cleansing.
And that's the, it's a parable for all of what's happened to Palestine through all the century of Zionism before the state of Israel.
And so what's happening now, what happened there, what's happening now, it's all about destruction, forcing people to flee, making, and it's not just about the bombing.
It's about making life unbearable in every way, even when there's not a war, that you only have electricity for two or three hours a day.
Well, maybe you want to flee.
Maybe if you're given the opportunity, you want to escape.
They're going to make the pressure so great that you're going to give up your homeland, your desire to be free, and all of those things and break and flee.
That's the idea.
And this is today, right here.
Okay, the ultimate goal by Dr. Yara Hawari.
The ultimate goal is to push Palestinians out of Gaza.
This amounts to a war crime.
It is the forced displacement of a population that already is mostly refugees.
That's why people in Gaza are saying they will not leave their homes because they know it could mean permanent exile.
We've seen this before in 4748.
And here is the doctor talking more about it on Al Jazeera.
And that's why I kept using the term ethnic cleansing because I don't think it will stop with the bombardment.
I think the ultimate goal is to push Palestinians out of Gaza or even to cut Gaza in half so it's an even smaller, smaller space.
And we've heard Israeli officials talking about wanting to pressure Egypt into opening the crossing to allow Palestinians to go into the Sinai Peninsula.
And they've even described setting up a tent city.
This amounts to obviously a war crime.
It's the forced displacement of an entire population of people that are already refugees several generations in.
And that's why we're seeing messages and social media posts from people in Gaza saying that they will not leave their homes because they know that leaving their homes will probably mean that they will be exiled permanently from them.
So I think it's very clear that we are seeing the Israeli regime attempting to garner support for this plan.
They will call it, of course, a temporary rehousing or a temporary moving of people for their safety.
But the reality, and you know, you don't have to take my word for it, we have seven decades of Israeli regime consistently denying Palestinian refugees the right to return home as proof of their intentions.
But I do think it will be a hard sell to the Egyptian regime.
The Egyptian regime certainly does not want any Palestinian refugees, let alone millions of them.
So, Dan, a lot of people are saying that the end game for Israel is the fact that they want to take out Hamas.
They want Hamas to give themselves up.
But a lot of other people are saying that, no, the end game is ethnic cleansing.
They want them off this land.
They want to colonize the Gaza Strip.
And there's a lot of people within Israel that believe that land belongs to them and they want it back.
I have a question because I just looked at that Jerusalem Post headline.
It said like a crazy number, supposedly, of the public there is blaming Netanyahu.
And also, like, so is that, is there a shift in the public?
Like, why is that now?
They figured it out.
Well, we'll get to that too as well.
We do have some, we're going to touch on that on what's going on in Israel because I think there is a little bit more, it's a little bit more deeper of a story, right?
You know what I'm saying?
It's not just surface level where we see all the Israelis coming together.
There is a split within the population of Israel too as well.
It reminds me of 9-11.
Like at the time of 9-11, I was all for going to Iraq.
It didn't really make any sense.
But I was all for it because I lived in New York.
Most people were.
Smelled like dead bodies for three months.
I remember that.
And, you know, now looking back, it's another 9-11.
Like, well, I don't remember at the 9-11 go, if we ever have another 9-11, let's handle it even twice as crazy as we did.
Well, they said we would say, let's kill five of them for every one of us.
And we were like, that's how I felt.
We were like, all right, that's good.
What they did, they flew planes into a building.
So we kind of justified it.
I think they were hoping that this attack over here would do the same thing.
It would justify any type of ethnic cleansing and mass bombing.
And they started on the north part of Gaza and they're working their way down.
Almost a million displaced, right?
So Dan, why don't you tell us about the policies in which there's a lot of people within the Israeli government that believe that that land is owed to them and they have the right to take it by displacing all these Palestinians?
Yeah, that's not only in the government, that's throughout Israeli society through large swaths and the power centers, that they believe that all of that is land given to the Jews by God, that, you know,
me or, you know, any of the any Jews in America or whatever should be able to, you know, next week or whenever this war ends, after Gaza has been ethnically cleansed, as they hope, that we should be able to go build, you know, like a nice villa on the beach, you know, clean it up, and that's great beachfront property.
That's cool that God gave us a country and you a country.
God gave us this great nation, and he also gave you the land of Israel.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, you know, just it's a backup country, you know, just in case.
So, I mean, that ideology is, you know, I mean, it's ISIS-like, the idea that, you know, what is ISIS is people, you know, messed up people from the West or wherever, or, you know, who thought like, oh, this is, you know, now Syria belongs to me.
I'm some like loser from like Birmingham in the UK and this is my land, just like some, you know, outcast kind of sad loser from Brooklyn is like, oh, I'm going to go, you know, I'm going to go set up shop in Gaza and, you know, on some stolen land.
But it's crazy when you think about it.
Well, it's hard to buy a house.
It's crazy when you think about it.
Like, because, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's, I mean, you know, one of the reasons people like American Jews get into Zionism, even if they're not like raised in it, is because like American Western capitalism, McDonald's, is so empty and soulless, and there's no real culture.
So people like think that Israel is like, oh, I'm Jewish.
That's like my culture, it turns out.
So I'll just go join that.
And it gives them a sense of purpose and meaning, you know, where it's like this kind of like hollow shell of empty, like, you know, meaningless existence in, you know, just being some like white person in America.
Yeah.
So, you know, I can't remember exactly what the question was even.
Well, I mean, we were just talking about, you know, pretty much the fact that, you know, this, this is the displacement, right?
And everybody likes to play the victim, I think, too, as well.
You know, and they're making themselves out to be the victim.
So.
Yeah, we were talking about this whole ideology.
So basically, ever since, look, the 2004, 2005, in 2004 or 2005, Israel unilaterally began to withdraw its settlements that it had inside Gaza.
It basically calculated, Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, who was always a friend to the settlers, calculated that it was far more beneficial and sensible to take those settlers out, relocate them to the West Bank, which is much bigger and more resource-rich.
And you can imprison a huge amount of Palestinians.
At that point, you know, it was over a million Palestinians in this extremely tiny piece of land.
So you get basically a lot of bang for your buck.
So he did that.
The Israeli, the kind of like the Israeli public, large swaths of it, the settlers and those Zionist ideologues were incensed by it.
In fact, they put a curse.
They did a chance publicly calling for God to kill Sharon for doing that.
And then Sharon's, he fell into a coma soon after, and they were like, yes, it worked.
They really thought they killed him.
So, you know, it's what happens if you turn against the settlers.
You know, they'll kill.
I mean, they literally killed Yitzhak Rabin, you know, a decade before.
If you're Jewish and not for it, you're like 10 times worse than somebody not Jewish.
Exactly.
The only thing they, the only thing Zionists hate more than like Palestinians is like, you know, Jews, well, basically anti-Zionist or leftist Jews, or what they basically, you know, if you, if you give away Jewish land is what they say, then that is, means, you know, that means you can be murdered.
That's, you know, they have like some religious thing they made up that means it's okay to murder the person at that point.
So Ariel Sharon withdraws the military from that land.
It's very traumatic for like the Zionist psyche.
And ever since then, there has been this movement.
They've never given up on it.
They've always said, well, we want to reestablish those settlements in Gaza.
And once you pull out, you can't just like go right back.
Now you have, you know, the place is under siege.
You have this armed resistance movement that has, you know, Hamas and the Al-Qassam brigades, among others, that have gotten very powerful and strong.
And so they know that it's going to require a huge brutal military operation, aka ethnic cleansing, in order to be able to take that land.
And so when Hamas carried out this attack on October 7th, that gave them the pretext to carry this out.
I mean, what's going on there now obviously has nothing to do with security or protecting Israelis.
If they wanted to protect Israelis, they'd be negotiating to get those 150 Israeli hostages out that are held by Hamas.
But that's not what they're doing.
They're bombing them.
And at least according to Hamas, something like 30 of those hostages have been killed from Israeli bombing.
Wait, do you know people are saying they're dead already?
Like that's going around that the hostage.
Hamas has already killed all the hostages is being spread around all over America.
So that's a scam to kill people.
It doesn't make any sense.
No, it doesn't.
But that's what gives them the green light to go and carpet bombing the ball.
The people in Israel that are like, hey, don't do this.
Let's get our family back.
They've already signed.
The government's already, oh, it's a sacrifice that has to be made.
We'll just tell people they're already killed and then go do.
I mean, it looks like that to me, very obviously.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it doesn't make sense for Hamas to kill them because those are, you know, they basically take hostages so they can negotiate.
So in 2006, Hamas took captive an Israeli soldier named Gilad Shalit, held him for five years.
And in 2011, they traded that one soldier for 1,050 or so Palestinian prisoners.
Now there are about 5,500 Palestinian prisoners and Israel and Hamas just got 150 Israelis and not just soldiers, but grandmothers and children and so if you do that math, I mean, Hamas has all the leverage, except Israel is basically like, you want to go crazy?
I'll show you crazy.
And they're just like, we're going to kill the hostages ourselves.
That's the logic.
And there's actually a directive called or a procedure called the Hannibal Directive, which Israel has, the Israeli military has, where any soldier who's taken captive by enemy forces, they will try to kill them.
And that's explicit.
There's a Wikipedia page about the Hannibal Directive.
You can pull up right now.
So that happened in 2014 when a soldier, an Israeli soldier named Hadar Golden was taken captive by Hamas in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.
And what did Israel do?
They unleashed this massive bombing campaign and killed like 100 Palestinians and the soldier.
Success.
So what I wonder is if that's what's being applied in a way in combination with the Dahia doctrine of punishing the civilian population, mass destruction, which we mentioned earlier, that in combination with the Hannibal directive, so to kill their own people in Gaza too.
It's like Tropic Thunder.
We don't negotiate with terrorists, right?
Yeah, well, it sounds like, you know, because, you know, if I just think all the people I know, you know, I told you my ex was like not religious, but Zionist, and I don't think she knew that much about it, even though she was born in Israel.
What do people think this, let's say none of this happened, this attack from Hamas, like, where was this going to go?
Like, is the idea you're going to just break their back and they're going to be like, oh, we're cool.
We like you now.
I don't think that they're that stupid.
I think it, I mean, I'm sure there's some like same Pollyanna Americans that still believe in the nonsense we do.
But I think a bunch of people just know deep down, well, sooner or later, we're going to have to kill all of them.
And they're not going to say it out loud.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, basically, Gaza has served as the open air concentration camp, the worst level of hell for Palestinians in like, you know, under Zionism.
So like the, when all those prisoners were released, ones that were from the West Bank were sent to Gaza.
If you go to, if you watch like Israeli white, right-wing demonstrations, these fascist mobs that go out in the street, they'll say, smoleem bazaar, like leftists go to Gaza.
You know, they want to send you to Gaza because they know that's the worst place.
Yeah.
Um, so I mean, it's just like, well, we're just going to concentrate all those people there for a while.
And, you know, we all, I mean, where does that logic lead?
Eventually, it's going to be extermination when you after the concentration camp, you're eventually going to exterminate.
Because they've expanded all their settlements up into the, you know, up into the walls.
You know, I mean, this attack from Hamas or the Al-Hassa brigades, they had to just go over the wall to grab people because it's, you know, they've expanded these settlements everywhere.
Why would you have a buffer of buffers?
Like, why would you be right up against the wall?
Because they keep bringing people, settlers in.
Is that like weapons in a hospital?
Isn't that the same as hiding weapons and all that?
There's no one in the target zone anymore.
Yeah.
Am I right or wrong?
Yeah, I mean, exactly.
No, you're right, Kurt.
It's Israel's using those people, its people as human shields.
I mean, putting, you know, these people in a besieged concentration camp where they know there's an armed resistance group, but they're telling us right now Hamas is worse than ISIS.
I mean, then that must mean they're the worst bloodthirsty people in the world, according to Israel.
And then they're like, we're going to put our families right next to them.
And we know they have a very advanced military capability.
They have a tunnel system where they popped out and attacked us before.
We know, you know, they have rockets.
They have all snipers.
I mean, you know, frankly, look, Hamas could have done this at any point over the last, I don't know how many years.
They could have done it at any point.
What did we see in 2000, what, 18, 2019, the Great March of Return, where like thousands of Palestinians would go every Friday and demonstrate and try to get as close as they can to this like border fence wall and just going with their flesh and bones and Israeli snipers would just shoot them one after the other like fish in a barrel.
How many did they kill on Nakma Day?
I think in 2019, like I can't remember, like 80?
80.
And all they would want to do was like put a flag on there.
And I went to those demonstrations.
It's in the documentary.
You see that in Killing Gaza.
I went to those in 2015, 2016.
Those demonstrations have always been there, but it became a much, it became a much bigger kind of formalized thing when the Great March of Return happened.
And that went on for like a year, where every Friday they would just massacre Palestinian protesters.
And it's like, well, what do you expect?
Like, what does Israel expect these people to do?
It's just like, just die quietly and we're going to shoot you and shut up.
And if you react, then, you know, the world's going to be on our side and then we're going to ethnically cleanse you.
At the top level, they expect them to blow up, to get mad so they can kill more of them.
That's at the top level.
Then you got your, you know, I don't want to think about it level, which is the one you said, which is like, well, if they would just be, you know, it's sad that that has to happen.
I've heard this before, like personally from people.
Yeah.
It's really too bad, you know, but what safety, you know, for our safe.
It's amazing, by the way, the amount of people flipping out and wanting people get censored who were talking about how cruel it was to have a wall on America's border.
Like, how could you do this to children?
That's amazing to me.
I think now that what's a little different is we just had how long now?
Seven years of like, this is crazy to have any kind of border or tell people they can have a border.
And now this is happening.
And these details get out to people.
They do.
So the cognitive dissonance has to build up at some point, doesn't it?
Dan, do you want to say anything about that before we get to the next part of this?
Your movie?
Yeah, I mean, you know, just the, can I say cutservative?
Can I say that on the Jimmy Dore show?
Yeah.
I mean, yes, it's okay.
Okay.
All right.
Okay, good.
Because I already said it.
I mean, yeah, it's just the whole, you know, phony anti-war right that, you know, we were all saying we should ally with them to oppose the Ukraine war.
And I still believe in that.
You know, that's politics.
You don't have to agree with everything, but it's just they've been, they've just exposed themselves as like, you know, the neocon.
It's like what they were during the Bush years, that they were all like crazy neocons who just wanted war in Iraq and Afghanistan and every other place.
And now like, you know, when it comes to like, if they actually believed in like freedom and liberty and, you know, all the things like brave heart, you know, freedom.
If they actually cared about that, they would be like defending Palestine.
That is the ultimate like, you know, Second Amendment, you know, gun rights, defend your land from property invaders.
I don't think they understand.
They're all just like.
Yeah.
I think, I mean, like, but they're, oh, they totally don't understand it, let alone like the fact that, you know, Israel is ethnically cleansing Christians in the Holy Land too, you know, destroying churches.
I mean, that's going on all over the country in Israel proper, too.
So, you know, Palestinian Christians, just like Syrian Christians, are being like ethnically cleansed.
They didn't understand that about Iraq, right?
Iraqi Christians that were being like they didn't understand.
They're called Chaldean Christians, and we really screwed things up for Christians in Iraq in a big way.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think there were more Christians in Iraq than probably most Middle Eastern countries.
They're living here originally.
They're called Chaldean.
They're like the original.
Yeah.
And even Saddam said they're, you know, Iraqi Christians, but they're still Iraqis and we're going to protect them.
But that's not what happened when the United States forces went in there.
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Kurt, I know You love this over here because you said you gave up on Hamas in 2018.
I gave up two years to mellow out 2006 when the blockade came.
That's when I gave up on them.
But you know who didn't give up on them was Netanyahu.
Look at this.
And I put this up on tweet, sirs.
Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.
He told a meeting of his Lukit parties.
How do you say that?
Knesset?
I don't know.
Knesset?
Knesset.
Knesset members in March 2019.
This is part of our strategy to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.
And that's from our good friend, Prime Minister, Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu, otherwise known as Bibi.
This all looks so, this like weird Game of Thrones nonsense.
It all looks so worth it for the great safe state they've created.
Yeah.
It looks like it's all been worth it.
Here it is again.
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas.
Now it's blown up in our faces.
You even sent me a little thing about there's a poll taken and they want such right wing, that paper, is it not?
The Times of Israel?
Yes.
And I believe it says his poll members are really bad.
They want him removed.
It's very like centrist.
It's very likely different paper.
It was a different word.
Muslim post is more right-wing.
Yeah, you got the Jerusalem Post.
But I got to say, the Times of Israel in 2014 and in 2021 both published explicit calls to genocide of Palestinians.
The one 2014 was When Genocide is Permissible.
No.
That's what it was called.
That was the title of it, When Genocide is Permissible.
Google it.
Times of Israel When Genocide is Permissible.
And then they were like, oh, we deleted that.
You know, that was an accident.
You know, it was like Yaroslav Junka in Canada, the Canadian Parliament.
That was an accident.
We didn't mean to, you know.
So, and then they did it again in 2021.
They had an article, you know, calling for like obliteration of Palestine or something like that.
So, I mean, that's, you know, that's the centrist wing of like the Zionist fascist party.
Yeah.
Well, you know what?
In this particular section, I wanted to point out some of the people on the populist right who are calling out what's going on.
The fact that Israel has been propping up these entities to try to pit people against each other's throats.
So when they start screaming, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, to try to justify what they want to do in the future, they're full of you-know-what.
Chris Sky, I don't know if you know this guy, his name is Brostradamus.
This is the guy who talked about when it came to COVID about what was going to happen.
He kind of laid it out.
He was set, you know, he's like I said, part of the populist right.
He was set to speak at a lot of places in the states.
He's from Canada, and he's been getting pushbacks.
Here's Chris Sky says: the Israeli invasion of Palestine brought to you by the same people as COVID, climate change, rigged elections, and censored social media.
That post made October nice, October 9th, just had the cops and secret security cancel my speaking, trespass me, and threaten to arrest me for being a bullshit artist.
As usual, I'm right on target.
And I got the video of him right now.
He was set to go speak, and they're like, uh-uh, now you can't speak because why?
He spoke out against what Israel was doing.
This is in America.
This is in America, but he's from Canada.
He's Canadian.
So who's Canada stopping him or America stopping him?
No, this is here in America.
Watch this because he started speaking out about what Israel is doing.
And he's, you know, now he's been ostracized.
It's kind of like what Dan was talking about.
Those people who speak out against Zionism or what the state of Israel is doing, they're actually worse in the minds of those Zionists than the Palestinians.
So he's getting this treatment right now.
Check this out.
I'm just going to take some information for you.
What is this all about?
Because I made a post about Israel.
Look at this, guys.
Because I made a post about Israel saying that COVID, climate change, and all the rest of the stuff and the Israeli invasion is brought to you by the same people.
Police have been called the Trump Hotel, Miami.
I'm being trespassed off the property while I was supposed to speak today because they're afraid that I might tell everybody that the invasion of Israel is not what they're telling you it is.
And I better not tell anybody that Israel is a hub of organ trafficking and child trafficking.
And I better not tell you that Israel is the aggressor in the invasion.
So look at this.
This is all for me, guys, because I made a post on Twitter a week ago.
Be honest.
This is not all for you.
Oh, not all for me.
But you're keeping me here.
I'm surrounded by police.
You're dishonest.
I'm being dishonest.
So why am I here?
Can I leave right now?
We need your information.
Oh, but it's not for me, but they won't let me leave.
It's not for me, but they won't let me leave.
You get it?
Just like you're allowed to talk about Israel, but as soon as you do, the cops get called.
You're going to go from being trespassed to causing disturbance when you get arrested.
No!
You're a fraud.
I'm a fraud.
So they're going to try to arrest me.
Because nowadays, guys, I'm not allowed to leave.
I'm going to keep recording right now because this is my right.
You can absolutely record.
So then I would like my license back.
I'm not causing a scene.
I'm standing here waiting for my ID so I can leave.
Wow.
The only ones causing a scene are you guys.
You're a YouTube superstar.
I'm not a YouTube superstar.
Okay.
No, it's not all I'm doing.
I'm keeping you people honest.
That's fine.
Leave on your own accord.
No problem.
Well, then don't say you're not here for me.
I'm not.
Oh, you're not here for me, but you're just down because if you cause me a disturbance.
Oh, yeah, sure.
I was caught in a disturbance now by standing here and walking off the property as I was asked to.
Hilarious.
This is what happens when you talk about Israel.
Who made the call?
So he was supposed to speak there?
Yeah.
And so who said have the police come?
I don't know.
I'm trying to figure that out.
But he's been getting the cold shoulder from a lot of people.
It's kind of awesome, too, as well, because you see people from the populist right.
There's another guy named Lucas Gage, right?
He's an ex-Marine, also from somewhat of a populist right figure who's been speaking out.
People like Patrick Henningsen.
I want to highlight these people because they're going against the grain.
They're going against what their team is saying.
And the whole time.
Can I interject?
Please, please.
Can I just interject one thing?
Yeah.
Lucas Gage is clearly an anti-Semite.
I want to say that about him.
He tweets about, you know, Jews are a nation and a single nation.
The same thing that Zionists say.
And he talks about that all the time.
Exactly.
Zionists and Nazis say that they're a single nation.
And he talks about how Jews are flooding Germany with hordes who hate whites and they're anti-white, and also that Hitler, that's why Hitler had to kill them.
So that guy's, you know, this is a thing.
We have to be careful about thank you for pointing that out.
You know, who, yeah, who, who, yeah, exactly.
No, it's really shady.
I actually, you know, I saw him just speaking out against Zionism.
So, you know what I'm saying?
But now that you're exactly, exactly.
But Patrick Henningsen is great, you know, very principled guy.
So that's that's just about Lucas Holmes particularly.
His name is Lucas Gage, but we the actor?
No, no, he's an ex-Marine.
No, no, just some Twitter Twitter personality who's, you know, kind of does this whole like phony anti-war populist thing.
But, you know, if you actually look at what he's saying, you know, he talks about how Jews are a single nation.
And that's what if you believe that, you're either a Nazi and or a Zionist.
And I don't think he's a Zionist.
It's really bizarre times, man.
I really, the next thing I want to point out about this, too, as well, is because I think the conflation inside the media too, as well, not understanding who exactly Hamas is and still trying to tie Hamas directly to Iran.
In other words, saying that Iran is the one who supported this whole invasion and that's who's to blame when Iran said, you know, their public, their official statement was like, we had no clue what's going on.
So they're trying to conflate a lot of things what's going on in Qatar and whatnot.
Take a look at this real quick, Dan.
I want your opinion on this clip here from Fox News.
How they just really conflate everything.
An issue that rankles a lot of people.
Qatar.
Qatar is a non-NATO ally of ours.
We have a huge base in Qatar.
And take a look at what we saw yesterday.
The Hamas leadership, they're running around there free.
Ismail Hanaya, he's the head of Hamas.
These Hamas leaders live in, we're told, in these luxury hotels.
And he's sitting there in Qatar yesterday, meeting with the Iranian foreign minister.
We have a base.
Can we go and arrest the Hamas leadership?
Can Qatar arrest them?
They're not closing the office.
They're not doing anything about this terror group operating freely on Qatar's land and in those luxury, luxurious hotels.
What can the administration or we do about this support group operating headquartered?
And look what it says: Iran threatens to interfere in intervene in Israel-Hamas war.
I can't believe that's the reporter saying that.
Yes, it is.
Is that the guy's job out of Qatar?
Well, there's several things we can do.
First, we need to cut off funds flow into Gaza.
I've put forward legislation.
I'm going to bring it back to take the funds that we send to Gaza, which Hamas takes these funds.
The funds are fungible.
And they use this to attack Israel.
Instead, we're going to use those funds to replenish Iron Dome.
With respect to the people sitting in Hamas right now, as the IDF, the Israeli Defense Force is calling for Palestinian civilians to leave to evacuate.
These people are sitting in hotels in Qatar calling for them to stay.
What cowardice.
We need to get our allies to the extent they are in Qatar to step up and help us stop this, to jail them, to extradite them, to do whatever we need to do.
I'd love to see that happen.
Senator Bill Haggerty, we'll see if this continues and if they eventually end up in the dock of the International Criminal Court, Qatar needs to cooperate.
They are not yet.
Thank you for joining.
Who belongs to that court still, by the way, who's not black?
Anyone?
And not to mention that, you know, you were talking earlier about the Hamas wing, the militant wing, and the political wing, right?
So the political wing has an office in Qatar where, you know, Blinken and whatnot.
This is Craig Murray.
He says the ignorance of how the world really works is astonishing.
Qatar hosts the Hamas office, just as it previously hosted the Taliban Information Office at direct U.S. request.
It provides a venue where the U.S. can talk to Hamas directly and deniably level or through Qatar government.
So the fact is they're using this so they can have conversations, so they can have peace talks or whatnot, you know, diplomacy.
And everything is thwarted and confused on Fox News.
And then Craig Murray goes on to finish and say, so when Blinken is there one day and the Iranian foreign minister there with Hamas the next day, these are in effect proximity talks.
Qatar is dependent on U.S. support.
It hosts a U.S. military base.
Without the U.S. support, it would be vulnerable to Saudi Arabia.
Qatar would never make any foreign policy move or host any organization without U.S. agreement.
All of this was explained to me in detail by the government and royal family member a few years ago when I visited to ask whether WikiLeaks might eventually cite itself there.
So he's saying America knows Hamas is there.
Of course, they understand that because they're there for diplomacy.
They're there to have talks.
Dan, do you want to say anything about this?
Yeah, I mean, they want to just pretend that, you know, Hamas, like one day, you know, it's clear that Hamas is a very pragmatic organization, even if you disagree with it, you know, on ideological grounds or whatever, but it's proven again and again that it's pragmatic and that's why it has that political wing.
I mean, it's kind of funny to me that they complain these guys are there and Qatar are living high on the hog.
Meanwhile, like, you know, where's Juan Guaido?
He's living in Miami now and he's just a tool of the U.S. who's like, you know, on, he's living off stolen money from Venezuela.
What is what is what about those?
How many billions have been looted through the Ukraine money laundering scheme?
Do you remember that Ukrainian minister who just suddenly her breasts had grown like you know four cops after after a bunch of money?
Yeah, it was on Twitter like six months ago.
She, you know, there was the before and after.
She was one early on.
She was posing with her wind in her house with a gun by the window.
Oh, yeah, remember that?
Wait a minute.
You saying we bought her a couple of bunker busters?
That's right.
Exactly.
That's what we're doing for Ukraine.
Meanwhile, like we bought fake tips for you, we all figured out.
I remember that.
I remember that piece too as well.
You know, I mean, if you, if you go to like the wealthy suburbs of Barcelona, where like a bunch and Costa Brava in the north, where it's in, it's like filled with like Ukrainians who are just high on the hog, living huge, living great, that it just made tons of money.
I mean, so it's just like the ultimate hypocrisy.
It's just hilarious when you actually like really look at this.
But the points that Craig Murray made there were great.
And it's funny because it's also, you know, the like populist right figures, they're saying the exact same thing.
This guy, Jordan Schachtel, or I don't know how you say his name, this big, dumb Zionist, populist right figure who he was good on COVID and like, you know, he did good work debunking that.
And he followed me and promoted my work at one point.
And then I just noticed he blocked me.
And like, I saw his article the other day.
You know, those guys are living high on the hog and in Qatar.
And it's just like, you know, the conflate the issue.
They're trying to make it so complex.
Exactly.
Hamas look as barbaric as can be, that there's no diplomacy talk.
Meanwhile, they have an office set up in Qatar where we can have peace talks with them, right?
Cease fire.
Exactly.
Here's the thing that's the most shocking thing ever since I started working on the show.
How many people like literally don't know anything about the situation?
I mean, like, I would think I don't know anything.
And then the people that should know something.
Like, who is how many people are like intentionally putting this out?
Because that trickles down to people that know nothing, that should know something.
Yeah.
And then they spread around sincerely.
I mean, you got to kind of do it that right, right?
Everybody can't be in on the scam or it's going to leak.
You got to have a nice class of people that aren't going to look too hard into what you're telling them.
Yeah, well, that's the majority of society, right?
I mean, I think George Carlin said it.
The people are just too tired nowadays to really dig in around the dinner table.
But the guy you just said should know that.
First of all, he's part of the propaganda piece.
We covered this story, which blew my mind, which was Netanyahu bragging that they got the Pfizer vaccine to Israel first because he cut a special deal.
You make sure we get it in all the Israelis first, and we'll give you all the data of how it works out.
Yeah.
Which to me sounds like personal DAGA, but you know, it sounds like, well, near my personal data, sounds like a medical experiment.
So you're going to be able to do it.
And then he'll get the results back from us.
You mean an experiment?
Yes.
One of the reasons they're supposed to be in Israel to prevent that.
Yes.
Good.
Pfizer executive.
There's a Times of Israel article.
A Pfizer executive said Israel is like a laboratory for us.
Yeah.
He explicitly said that.
So, you know, it's like for Israel and Big Pharma, the Israeli population, the Jewish population are lab rats for big pharma, and the Palestinian population are lab rats for the military industrial complex.
15 minutes.
In Gaza?
What's that?
They're a 15-minute city.
That's what they were testing out.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Yeah, that's what they want to do after they ethnically cleanse Gaza.
Israel's going to build 15-minute smart cities with, you know, that are all solar power.
And then it's going to be Israeli citizens that have to move into those.
I mean, they've already shown that they, you know, a lot of the people on the populist right who were all against the protocols and whatnot and were against, you know, that whole situation, they looked at the Israeli data when it came to like what's going on with Pfizer and all they were looking specifically at that data.
Because Pfizer experimented on them.
Yes, they were looking at they used that data.
They called it Pfizrail.
They called it Pfizeral, P-F-I-Z-R-A-E-L.
And I thought that was hilarious.
And I was like, oh man, I hope some of these people will like finally, you know, start to see.
And then when Pfizer wants to bomb Gaza, you know, they're like, yes, Pfizrail.
Yes.
Kuckmi Hole.
Well, you know, I think there's a yearning.
People are anti-Semites.
Like, I didn't know, I don't know any of the people that he was just telling you about, but it's amazing the people like there's a yearning to get back to when we were fighting radical Islam.
Like Tulsi Gabbard, you could just hear the yearning.
Like, don't you eat this woke crap.
Remember back when we knew, like, the Team America Durka Durka World Police Days?
Yeah.
Like, that was some good, but way better times.
We had an enemy that we all agreed.
We don't care what happens to them.
I mean, I used to joke, like, hasn't it been nice of Islamic terrorists not to attack America?
And for some reason, it's only these guys who are now.
It's just amazing.
The irony is never, the irony is always lost on everyone.
Like, as soon as they're in the spot that these other people were just in, they can't comprehend.
They can't even fathom the similarities.
Hey, this is the Jimmy Doyle show.
Craig Pasta Jardullah filling on in.
Hello, Craig Pasta Jardulla.
This is actor, director, producer, podcaster, husband, and father, Alec Baldwin.
Oh, Mr. Baldwin, I'm a big fan.
As many people are.
But I'm not calling you today in any of those capacities.
I'm calling you as a citizen of the world.
Oh, I see.
Pasta, I want to come on the show and publicly denounce the horrific violence that we are seeing in Israel right now on both sides.
As an extremely moral, good person, I call for its immediate end for the good of humanity itself.
Uh-oh.
What's wrong, Alec?
What do you mean?
Well, usually when you call into the Jimmy Dora show and do some moral grandstanding, it's because some bad PR is coming your way.
I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about.
Are you sure sure?
All right, fine.
It appears that I'm about to be recharged in the shooting death on the set of my film Rust, which I had previously been cleared of.
Oh, there it is.
But I am not concerned about that.
You're not concerned about a potential murder charge?
No.
You see, these charges are only coming about because after extensive testing by the local police department, the prosecutor's office and the FBI, it was determined that the firearm in question could only have been fired if someone pulled the trigger, which is the way guns usually work.
Okay, yeah.
However, I had previously claimed that I did not pull the trigger and the gun fired on its own, which is a lie that a Child could see through, but since I'm a handsome, famous, well-regarded actor, they gave me the benefit doubt.
Only after months of testing, which I assume involved them holding the gun and seeing if it would go off on its own, did they get to the truth?
Actually, this all sounds pretty bad for you, Alec.
I mean, how in this any way is gonna help in your favor?
Don't you see, Pasta?
By even believing me in the first place, this police department has shown a gross lack of competence.
Oh, they fell for such an absurd lie.
If they did, then how could they possibly be trusted to have sufficiently concluded any other part of the investigation?
Wow.
My defense is built in.
Your Honor, I move to have this case dismissed on account of the police having believed my lying client.
A lie which turned out to be a brilliant chess move.
This is amazing, actually, you know?
It is amazing.
Being a handsome, famous, well-regarded actor is indeed amazing.
Don't you think the jury will see through this, Alec?
Not if I'm there and I'm allowed to testify.
Get me on that stand, and I'll have those 12 jabronis eating out the palm of my hand.
Wow, you really have this all worked out, don't you?
Pasta, I am as cool as a cucumber.
Nothing bad has ever happened to me, and nothing ever will.
That sounds nice.
Oh, believe me, it is.
Anyway, back to the horrible events in the Middle East.
Well, hold on.
Since you already spilled the beans about your whole situation and your nefarious plan, is there really any point to go back to doing your moral grandstanding?
You know what?
I suppose there is no point.
What am I even doing talking to you?
I don't really know.
Me neither.
Well, I'm going to hang up now.
You are beneath me.
All of this is beneath me.
Goodbye.
Goodbye, Alec.
Alec.
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