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Oct. 13, 2023 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is President Joe Biden.
Oh, boy, here we go.
Jimmy, I wanted to call into your show to let your listeners know that you stand firm with the people of Israel, right?
That I stand firm with the people of Israel.
And that the United States is fully prepared to help its ally in any way it can in its struggle against brutality.
And that the United States is fully prepared to help its.
Wait, how the hell are you doing this?
Because I know the script, Mr. President.
It never changes.
Damn straight, it doesn't, and it never will.
No matter what happens, this problem will never be solved by sober-minded adults.
So the U.S. must be resolute in this cyclical madness.
Promising money is usually part of the script, right?
You better believe it, Jimmy.
In addition to the billions of dollars of foreign aid and military assistance sent to Israel annually, I am going to ask Congress for another large aid package.
That would be difficult considering the state of Congress at the moment.
Yeah, you're telling me.
But the Republicans are more favorably inclined towards Israel than Ukraine.
They may approve the aid package to Israel on the condition of no more aid towards Ukraine.
As much as I hate to say it, Ukraine may have to take a back seat for a while.
It's going to strain your Trump relationship with Zelensky, won't it?
Yeah, I know.
Don't remind me.
I've been avoiding his calls all day.
I don't know.
I'm going to break it to him.
It sounds like a real pickle.
Hey, hold on.
I'm getting another call.
Hey, it's Jimmy Door.
Who's this?
This is Vladimir Zech, Ukraine president.
Joe, where is money?
Oh, hey there, little V. How you doing?
Yeah, I've been meaning to call about that.
I want money, you promise.
Yeah, about that.
You see, he's clowns in Congress right now.
It's Israel, isn't it?
You're going back to Israel.
I always knew you would.
Oh.
Lil V, baby, that's not what's going on.
It's just that Israel's in a real bad place right now.
So is Ukraine.
War still rage.
Still need that sweet American money.
Can't leave without.
I know, baby, and I love giving it to you.
But like I said, you just have to be patient.
It'll be just like it was, I promise.
I hate to interrupt this, but I'm getting another call.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Jimmy, BB.
No.
Oh, my God.
Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, how are you doing?
I've been better, Jimmy.
But thanks for asking.
Hi, Joe.
Hey, hey, BB, look, now's not a real good time.
Why is now not the good time?
Because you are talking to your little homewrecker friend?
Not you.
Now you listen to me, you little schmool.
You may think you're the hot new young thing, but nothing will ever replace the relationship between Israel and the United States.
Just because we occasionally drift apart doesn't mean we don't get right back together when times are tough.
Oh, yeah, well, that's bad news for you.
Our war is new and sexy.
New place, never heard of.
But with classic bad guy, your war, thousands of years old.
Old hat.
In there, don't rat.
How do you explain how we have better videos of atrocities?
For the love of God, please quit comparing wars.
Both of your wars are the most terrible things I've ever seen, but in different ways.
Look, I don't want to choose between you two.
The thought of it makes me physically ill.
But my hands are tied here.
I don't know.
If I could figure out a way to now, just open your minds here.
Give you both obscene amounts of money.
Would you be down for that?
Oh, I say go for it, guys.
Israel is a loyal ally, but not a jealous one.
Yes, this would work for us.
As long as I get money, yes.
Money, though, will do anything for money.
Anything?
Not that.
Well, this is great.
This is fucking awesome, man.
This really worked out.
I think this is actually what I've always wanted deep down.
I've just never really admitted it to myself.
I'm pretty stoked about this.
Yes, now give money.
Joe, I think we're going to have to teach our little friend here about finesse and diplomacy.
Yeah, you might be right about that, baby.
One condition: you couldn't get iron dome like Israel.
We want iron dome.
Well, I bet between me and Joe, one of us could give you an iron dome.
Would you like that?
Yes.
Yes, I would.
Okay.
Well, we got a lot of show to get to, so we're gonna let you gentlemen go now, okay?
No, yeah, that's cool.
We probably ought to get going.
Oh, my, look at the time.
Thanks for calling.
Glad you could work it out.
Nani, I mean goodbye.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Watch and see as his jet golf The medium speeds and jumps the medium And hits him head on It's the Chimmy Tour Show you Here is the question: What were the people of Gaza supposed to do?
I'm going to give you A frank, personal admission, and I'm not proud of it.
But I want to place this current situation in context.
I first became involved in the Israel-Palestine conflict in June 1982 when Israel invaded Lebanon.
I ended up writing my doctoral dissertation on a topic related to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
And then I ended up devoting the whole of my adult life to that conflict.
40 years.
And come 2020, even I gave up.
I started to write about other subjects.
I thought the situation was hopeless.
And there was a lot of guilt stirred up inside me because I realized I was abandoning a people trapped in a concentration camp.
Now, I don't want to be emotive.
I don't want to be dramatic.
However, it behooves me to say both my parents were in concentration camps during World War II.
My mother was in Majdana concentration camp.
My father was in Auschwitz concentration camp.
And I was riddled with guilt that people facing circumstances like my parents and I had abandoned them.
So if even I had abandoned them, not making any claims to sainthood, but simply the fact that I invested 40 years of my life in that conflict and finally had to resign myself to the fact that nothing could be done.
So does it really surprise you?
Is it really a shock that a couple of days ago, the people of Gaza, most of whom, let's bear it in mind, most of whom were born in that concentration camp.
They were born into it.
Does it really shock you that they would do something desperate to break free of that concentration camp?
Who dare criticize whatever tactics they employ?
I am not approving it, but I am not disapproving it because I don't know what I would do if I had been born into a concentration camp and spent 20 years of my life there.
Yeah.
I've seen you in videos talk about what a lot of these IEDF soldiers have done to these children, these kids, and taking out eyes and limbs and whatnot.
But I want to stay with Hamas for a second because I think this is important.
Because there's a lot of people right now, especially when it comes to our government, you know, our lawmakers, they immediately go to Hamas.
They single out Hamas and they say Hamas is a bunch of terrorists.
They're awful.
And that somehow manufactures consent for the United States to supply Israel with as much weaponry as we can.
And then for them to go after and with no compassion whatsoever, bomb buildings and schools and hospitals.
I mean, I don't think we see a month go by without a Palestinian baby getting killed or shelled or shot.
But I want to talk a little bit more about Hamas because there's a little bit more nuance to the situation.
Now, first question I have is from what I said before you came on, right, when we were introducing you.
A lot of people are kind of framing this as Israel versus Hamas.
I think Hamas was just one small faction of this, or maybe a big faction of this, but I would say this is Israel versus Palestine, that there are other groups that have joined with Hamas and whatnot because their backs are so against the wall that they have nothing to lose at this point.
And I also said that this was inevitable, that this was bound to happen.
I mean, it had to happen because, you know, like I said, their backs are completely against the wall.
There's been a blockade going on there for quite some time.
Israel has not stopped expanding their settlements.
So for me, this was inevitable that it was going to happen.
So the first question is, number one, is it right to say it's just verse Hamas or is it more of a bigger resistant coalition going on in Gaza and Palestine?
And number two, we have this video here from Ron Paul when Ron Paul mentioned on the floor of Congress that Hamas was actually started by Israel.
I'm going to play this really quickly and then we'll get your answers.
What's happening in the Middle East, in particular with Gaza right now, we have some moral responsibility for both sides in a way because we provide help and funding for both Arab nations and Israel.
And so we definitely have a moral responsibility, and especially now today, the weapons being used to kill so many Palestinians are American weapons and American funds essentially are being used for this.
But there's a political liability, which I think is Something that we fail to look at because too often there's so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn't be involved in.
You know, Hamas, if you look at the history, you'll find out that Hamas was encouraged and really started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasser Arafat.
You say, well, yeah, that was better then and served his purpose, but we didn't want Hamas to do this.
So then we as Americans say, well, we have such a good system, we're going to impose this on the world.
We're going to invade Iraq and teach people how to be Democrats.
We want free elections.
We encourage Palestinians to have a free election.
They do elect Hamas.
So we first, indirectly and directly through Israel, help Hamas.
Then we have an election.
Then Hamas is dominant.
So we have to kill him.
It just doesn't make sense.
During the 80s, you know, we were allied with Osama and we were contending with it was at that time our CAA was good.
We'll leave it at there, Professor Finkelstein.
But the two questions.
Number one, is this a war that now Israel has declared is directly against Hamas only?
And second, is it true also that Israel started Hamas as to push back against the PLO and Yazar Arafat?
Can you give us a little insight to these statements over here?
It is factually correct what Ron Paul said that Israel encouraged in various ways, for example, by not exerting as much repression on Hamas as it did on the PLO back in those years in order to create a counterweight to the PLO.
I don't want to get involved in that history because to some extent, even though the point he made is historically valid, if you don't mind my saying so, it's water under the bridge.
It's happened.
So we're going to just accept it as a fact, though, as a historical point, he is correct.
Let's talk about several things about Hamas.
Bear in mind, as I continue, I do not defend Hamas.
That's the responsibility of the Palestinian people to choose their leaders.
If that economic blockade had not been imposed and Hamas failed in its leadership responsibilities, presumably it would have been voted out.
Hamas would have been voted out in the next election.
The democratic process was never allowed to the Palestinian people.
Hillary Clinton, who was a senator at the time, when the elections occurred in Gaza, this was her response.
I'm quoting her.
We should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.
That's the American notion of democratic elections.
We should rig them so the people will choose only the candidates that we want.
Now, having said that, it is true because we do not in any way want to distort the historical record.
The truth is on the side of the Palestinian people, and the truth is on the side of the people of Gaza.
It is true that up until the election of 2006, Hamas didn't recognize Israel as a state.
However, once it came into power, it was undergoing an evolution which quite possibly, I'm not going to say certainly, it quite possibly would have resulted in a leadership willing to negotiate with Israel.
They were never given the chance.
Now, you say, is it Hamas or is it the people of Gaza?
I am not going to say they are one and the same.
However, I will say that who fertilizes Hamas?
Who foments the support for Hamas?
Who are the young people who join Hamas?
If they were given an opportunity in life, if they were given a chance, if they were able to breathe, I don't know if they would have joined Hamas.
Most of these young people are at the point where they're willing to just sacrifice their life because the situation is so hopeless.
So I can't separate Hamas from the people of Gaza because the blockade creates, the blockade creates a synthesis and assimilation between the people and Hamas.
They have no other options.
They have no other choices.
And this is the question.
This is the question that we must constantly ask ourselves.
What were their options?
Allow me, since you wanted me to fill in for your audience, to look at the history.
Now, periodically, periodically, Israel launches these brutal, merciless, criminal assaults on Gaza.
There are so many of them that literally I can't remember all the names, but at least two might be familiar to your listeners.
In 2007, Israel launched Operation Cast Lead.
It went from December 26, 2008, to January 17th, 2009.
Amnesty International published a report on that, a large report on that assault.
They called the report 22 days of death and destruction.
Israel killed about 1,400 people, including 350 children.
It demolished, it flattened 6,000 homes.
Then I'm going to skip.
I'm going to skip the three or four other assaults and go to 2014.
Israel launches Operation Protective Edge.
It kills 550 Palestinian children.
It demolishes 18,000 homes.
Peter Moore, he was the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
He went to visit Gaza after those 51 days of death and destruction.
And now I'm going to quote him.
I hope your audience will bear in mind: we're talking about the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, which means he's seen many war zones.
Indeed, his job is to visit war zones.
And this is what he had to say after Israel's Operation Protective Edge.
Quote, I've never seen such massive destruction ever before.
I've never seen such massive destruction ever before.
And who is this destruction being visited upon?
This unprecedented destruction, who is it being visited on?
It's being visited on a population that's overwhelmingly refugees and which is half children.
That's who the heroic IDF, Israeli Defense Forces, inflicts the most massive destruction that the president of the ICRC ever witnessed in his professional career.
Now, you might say, justifiably, you can talk about options.
Well, why haven't the Palestinians tried nonviolence?
Why haven't the people of Gaza tried nonviolence?
But they did.
In 2018, they launched the Great March of Return.
And at the beginning, at the beginning, it was wholly nonviolent.
What did Israel do?
Well, there is a very good human rights report that was issued by the UN describing what Israel did.
Does the audience want to know?
I'll tell them.
According to the report, Israel targeted medical personnel targeted.
It targeted journalists.
It targeted people with physical disabilities.
What were the snipers targeting?
They were targeting kneecaps at the loan.
So, does it shock anyone?
Is it really so bewildering that after attempting a nonviolent resistance, medical personnel were targeted.
Journalists were targeted.
People with disabilities were targeted.
Is it really a shock that it deteriorated and ultimately failed in its goals, in its objectives to end that brutal, inhuman blockade of Gaza?
So, let's go back to the basic question.
What were they supposed to do?
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I have some of the things that you were mentioning before, because I think this is very important to talk about, because you've said several times.
These aren't my words.
These are the words of Netanyahu's government on what they plan on doing.
Netanyahu's announcement on the attack.
Citizens of Israel, we are at war.
Not in operation or in rounds, but at war.
This morning, Hamas launched a murderous surprise attack against the state of Israel and its citizens.
We have been in this since the early morning hours.
I have convened the heads of the security establishment in order, first of all, to clear out the communities.
They have been infiltrated by terrorists.
This is currently being carried out.
At the same time, I have ordered an extensive mobilization and that we return fire of a magnitude that the enemy has not known.
The enemy will pay an unprecedented price.
In the meantime, I call on all the citizens of Israel to strictly adhere to the directives of the IDF.
We are at war and we will win it.
I want to clarify a point there.
There were two points.
That one that you just heard.
And secondly, Netanyahu made a statement that the Palestinians should leave from the areas.
I was going to get to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me get to the first one, the one that you just played.
Gotcha.
I don't want to sound too technical about this because often legal technicalities just confuse more than the enlightened.
However, here I think the point is important.
He said, Hamas attacked the state of Israel.
That is incorrect.
Gaza is part of Israel.
Israel has de facto annexed the West Bank and annexed Gaza.
Under international law, very simple.
Every one of your viewers will understand it.
Under international law, what distinguishes an occupation from an illegal annexation, it's very simple.
An occupation is temporary.
An annexation or an illegal annexation is permanent.
Those territories were occupied, meaning the West Bank and Gaza, a half century ago, a half century.
It's permanent.
That being the case, Gaza could not have attacked the state of Israel.
Gaza is part of the state of Israel.
What we witnessed a couple of days ago was a slave revolt.
The slaves rose up in revolt against their masters.
That's what happened.
So don't let these technicalities about our state is under attack.
No.
Gaza, the West Bank, by international law, and I know the law.
I teach the law.
I've studied the law.
Under international law, Gaza and the West Bank are part of Israel.
What we witnessed was a slave revolt.
I'm not saying I approve of it, but I won't say I disapprove of it.
Then the course of slave revolts, historically, many innocents are killed.
That was awesome.
And before you get to your second point, which I was going to bring up because I have it written down here, if Netanyahu is stating that he's going to hit the Gaza Strip hard and he says people should leave, but they can't go anywhere, isn't he talking about genocide?
And this is a defense.
Like, where are you going to go?
You can't.
You're not even allowed to go.
You're not even allowed to exit that way.
But this is the defense minister saying we're fighting human animals, referring to Palestinians, and vowed to attack accordingly.
I'm going to play this, and then please, Professor Finkelstein, give us your thoughts on that whole statement of him saying, you know, pretty much it reminds me of when George Bush was like saying in Iraq, we're going to hit you, so get out of there.
Like, where are you going to go?
But this is even worse because they're not allowed to technically leave.
Not technically, period.
They're not allowed to leave.
That's the problem.
Period.
Yes.
That's the problem.
Yeah.
Let's play this and we'll get your further get your opinion on it.
We are putting a complete siege on Gaza.
No electricity, no food, no water, no gas.
It is all closed.
We are fighting animals and acting accordingly.
That's the defense minister.
Well, we have Professor Frinkelstein.
We can ask him, Professor Finkelstein.
We just got done helping with.
I want to just emphasize, for the sake of your listeners, I said at the beginning, if you understood certain basic facts, everything becomes blindingly clear.
When he's saying animals, we're fighting animals.
Half of those animals are children.
Half of the animals are children.
That's who they are instituting these sanctions against.
They are attempting to subdue through starvation, through lack of water.
They're trying to subdue a population that's one million children.
And I really do wonder, I'm serious now, if that fact, that simple basic fact, if every day our media pointed out, hey, do you Realize one million of the people in Gaza are children, half the population.
I really wonder whether American, the American people, would go along with these statements that are being made.
They wouldn't.
I don't think people know it's a concentration camp like that.
I really didn't realize the population was that high until you said it, how dense it was.
Because, you know, what is Israel the size of New Jersey?
So my town I grew up in on the shore is probably about that size.
It had 30,000 people in it.
5 million people and no one can leave.
But that's like literally concentrating people in a camp.
My late mother, my late mother, occasionally spoke out on the question of the Palestinians.
And one of the things she said, I quote in the very first book I wrote on the Israel-Palestine conflict back in 1996.
She was once asked about the Israel-Palestine conflict, obviously because she's Jewish, she survived the Nazi Holocaust, and because I had been speaking and writing on the subject.
And she said, quote, what crime did the people of Palestine commit except to be born in Palestine?
Now, I would say, whatever you want to say about Hamas, I may not agree with you, but for argument's sake, I will concede.
What crime did the million children in Gaza commit except to be born in the concentration camp?
What crime did the million children in Gaza?
You know, a million happens to be a sacred number for Jews.
Because of the six million Jews who were exterminated during World War II, one million were children.
So, that million number, and it's a million children in Gaza.
It's a million children.
And now they're openly boasting about wiping them out.
I don't think the American people, you know, during the war in Vietnam, the Secretary General of the UN was a fellow named Utant.
He was from Burma, very decent guy.
And during the war in Vietnam, he once said, the first casualty of war is truth.
And then he went on to say, I do not believe if the American people were aware of the true facts of this war, they would support it.
Now, it is true.
He said that I think in 1965.
It took a long time before the truth about the war seeped out.
But once it did, there really was a lot of genuine opposition to that war.
And I do believe that where the basic, I don't mean reading even my books, which can be very dense, just the basic facts, were they known, I don't think people would go along with it.
And that's why I leapt at the opportunity to appear in your program.
I don't want to toot my own horn, but on the other hand, I've never seen any point in false modesty if acknowledging your competence can be of a service.
I very much doubt there's anybody in the West who has more scholarly knowledge on the Israel-Palestine conflict, or Gaza in particular, than myself.
I devoted a large part of my adult life.
And yours is the first program in a very long time that I've been allowed on to reach a reasonably sized audience.
And it's impossible, especially now amidst this hysteria.
And I'm not saying, incidentally, I'm not saying that a lot of the visceral, the instinctive revulsion, I'm not even saying it's invalid.
I can understand it.
But even that instinctive visceral revulsion has to be placed in the context of what has happened to Gaza, not since 1948,
because as I said, it all begins when approximately 300,000 refugees from Is land in Gaza.
But not even to go all the way back there, but just in your lifetime and in my lifetime, I'm talking about since 2006.
It's 18 years ago.
That's not so long.
Just that history.
If they only knew the past 18 years, I don't think I can accept the revulsion and the outrage, but I still believe people are capable of both feeling that revulsion and outrage and still saying, you know, I kind of get it.
I kind of get it.
People don't know it's a prison.
They don't know it's a prison.
They don't.
They don't.
And think of it as a prison riot.
Yeah.
That's what you described.
And when you hear a prison riot, you're like, oh, it's revolting.
Slaves don't attack.
They revolt, right?
That's exactly.
Nobody thinks of it as a prison.
I know that.
And that's the key to it because it makes a lot of sense when you think of it that way.
Well, we have a controlled media apparatus that is controlled by the Israeli lobbyists.
They have a lot to say when it comes to things.
So we're in a race right now to get the truth out there before it gets any worse.
Because like you said, Professor Finkelstein, the number one casualty of war is the truth.
Well, I don't want it to get to war, right?
We're trying to stop and educate people what's really going on there.
So there will be some pushback.
And I've noticed some pushback online.
There has been a little, you know, comforting things to see.
All right, some people are starting to get this and they're going to push back.
Please continue, Professor Finkelstein.
Well, either he's a pathological liar or he's completely demented if Netanyahu really believes they could go somewhere.
How could they know people don't know?
Like, I don't, I think people kind of think, I swear to God, that, oh, I mean, they just have to do like checkpoints.
They can probably leave.
I don't think people understand.
They can't.
Like, and I've known pieces of it for a long time, but I never thought of it.
I mean, I remember when the blockade happened, the list of stuff people could just couldn't have, like musical instruments.
It seemed like a bit much at the time.
But, you know, time flies.
Much like Guantanamo that's still open.
Just kind of forgot about it.
At one point, hard to believe, but facts, as the British adage goes, are stubborn things.
At one point, the Israeli officials actually calibrated.
I hope you listeners who listen.
They calibrated the number of calories that should be allocated each dozen to keep them just above starvation.
To keep them just the calories.
Yeah.
That's almost German precise.
Unfortunately, I didn't say, I should say, fortunately, I didn't say that, but fortunately, you did say that.
Yeah.
No, it calls to mind some historical things.
It calls to mind people who do experiments on children.
But I won't go further because your program might be canceled forever.
So I'll just leave it at that.
This might be Japanese level either.
Let's show just really quickly because this is what's going on.
Gaza is now blackout in Gaza as bombs are being dropped.
Israel, right now, they just hit a high-rise building, one of the tallest buildings in Gaza.
Let's take a look at this.
Now, there was a worry, Professor Finkelstein, that once this pushback took place, this action on Saturday morning, that Israel is just going to wipe it clean.
The term is called mowing the lawn, right?
I believe is the term when they just go in there and bomb the hell out of the place.
But this has come back.
Hamas threatens to execute civilian hostages and air each execution via television.
Dan Cohen had just mentioned the Palestinian resistance just announced that if Israeli bombardment of civilian homes without warning continues, it will begin to execute captives one by one and publish the videos for all to see.
Hamas has more than 100 Israelis held captive.
Israeli society simply won't be able to handle the psychological pressure of watching these executions.
If Israel wants to save its citizens' lives, it must negotiate.
No amount of bombing can change this.
And he put down.
I don't think it has to check me.
You think they won't let them people die and go ahead.
Well, I don't know, but we do see a lot of chaos now at the airport with a lot of Israelis trying to leave the country.
I don't know if they have the stomach to deal with this.
You know, they've never been under this type of pressure before.
I think the Israeli citizens.
That's why when people had talked about the festival that they raided, I mean, it was on the other side of the Gaza fence.
How can you be so naive as to think that you're going to be safe there, that that attack could never happen upon you?
You're right on the other side of the fence.
You're not in Telese.
You're in Ukraine.
I know.
But Professor Finkelstein, what are your thoughts about this as far as I'm going to?
Thank you.
If you go back to like 2007 and you look at the Israeli government's statements about what they were going to do to Gaza just before Operation Castle, I can assure you, because I quote them at length in my book on Gaza, I can assure you, they made the identical statements as they made today.
Now, you might ask, well, then why didn't they do back then what they did today?
And the answer is very, very simple.
It's because international public opinion could rein them in.
There were some restraints, not a lot.
But Gaza lived to see another day.
Why do I say this?
Because all of those people from Matt Getz to Marjorie Taylor Moore.
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I'm thinking of Marjorie Taylor Moore.
She's spinning around in the city of...
By age away.
they bear the burden.
They could rein in Israel.
Israel can be stopped if international public opinion bore down on Israel.
Israel is not an island.
It lives in the world.
And the pressure on it can become unbearable.
The statements That you read this evening, all of them.
Everyone is prosecutable in the International Criminal Court.
Everyone could haul these monsters before the court.
So the institutions are there to stop them.
And it's the green light that's been given them by our Congress and our elected officials.
They bear the responsibility, not primary, but certainly not tertiary.
At least secondary responsibility for the annihilation of the people of Gaza.
Every one of them should be held accountable for every child that's starved to death, for every infant who dies because of a lack of water.
Today, according to a friend of mine who's generally very reliable, they bombed the incubator center in Al-Shifa Hospital.
I actually have a little connection to Gaza.
After one of the annihilatory attacks, I raised $100,000 for one of the hospitals, and they put up a plaque at my request to the memory of my parents in that hospital in Gaza.
And my guess is, knowing Israel as I do, that hospital is no longer there.
And that is, we have to say, I won't say primary responsibility, but certainly secondary responsibility culpability is that of all those people who you cited, because Israel can be reined in.
All the United States has to say: Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Defense Minister, if the case goes before the International Criminal Court, sorry, we're not going to support you.
We're not going to block the prosecution.
And I dare say, having studied international law and having studied prosecutions in that court, it's actually an awful court, but that's beside the point.
There is quite sufficient evidence to bring back a guilty verdict.
That's a question.
Does Israel, you know how we don't belong to that court?
Because, you know, otherwise we could get prosecuted for what we did in Iraq.
So back around there, we withdrew from the Hague Invasion Act, Bush signed that if we ever brought on trial, anyone will invade The Hague.
Is Israel a part of it?
Or do they take...
Like, hey, we could do whatever crimes we want.
It seems like it's the same as us.
There is technically a state of Palestine.
And the state of Palestine does belong to the International Criminal Court.
And the state of Palestine has twice brought cases before the criminal court on the basis of Israel conduct in the occupied territories and also when it attacked the humanitarian flotilla in 2010, May 31st, 2010.
So technically, yes, it can be prosecuted.
And if the United States says we're not going to protect you, I think Israel will think twice.
It's the impunity, it's the impunity granted this government and country by the United States in particular, but also the EU, that enables it to carry on like Mongol hordes.
Because that's exactly what they are: it's Genghis Khan, it's Mongol hordes.
But they couldn't do that without the impunity granted them by all the people you quoted this evening.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hi, Jimmy.
Guess the distribution.
Is this disgraced former New York Governor Andrew Cuobo?
Well, well, Luca gets a cookie.
Good to talk to you, my friend.
Well, it's good to hear from you, Governor.
What's on your mind today?
The same thing that is on everybody's mind.
The pressing need for everyone in politics to publicly state that I stand with Israel in this dark time.
So I'm saying that.
I stand with Israel.
I see.
Jimmy, when I heard the awful news that was coming out of the only democracy in the Middle East, I was heartbroken and furious.
I have been firm and consistent in the past in saying that this scourge of senseless anti-Semitism needs to be stamped out.
So I immediately took to Twitter and aggressively tweeted those very sentiments.
So they are now part of the public record.
Uh-huh.
I've been tweeting a lot, Jimmy, for X-ing, I guess.
A lot of people think Twitter is a dying platform, but I'm loving X. I'm one of the X-Men.
And my mutant power is my ability to revive my political career using social media By saying things like I stand with Israel.
You really think you're going to make a comeback using social media?
Yes.
But not just by tweeting brave statements like that.
Oh, brave.
Tweeting links to my podcast.
Oh, you have a podcast?
Of course I do.
It's called As a Matter of Fact with Andrew Cuomo, featuring the Andrew Cuomo dancers.
You have backup dancers on your political podcast.
Well, of course, these are metaphorical dances, Jimmy.
The dances being the various virtuous political stances that dance around in my brain all the time, such as Israel needs to be defended against the forces of darkness.
Those are my dances.
And Jimmy, you got to see the legs on these broads.
Snap you right in half.
Do you really think that podcasts and tweeting are going to put you back in the good graces with the voters of New York?
Well, that's what my political consultant has told me.
You've got political consultants?
Who?
Oh, it's a common thing.
And I couldn't really say who it is.
That's private information.
Unless he calls in.
Oh, God, I'm getting another call.
Good grief.
Hey, this is Jimmy Dorsey.
Who's this?
Hey, Jimmy, this is David Axelrod.
Hi, Andy.
Well, hello there, David Axelrod.
How are you?
So, David Axelrod, you're the Governor Cuomo's political consultant.
Yes, I am.
Well, for a minor fee, of course, podcasting itself doesn't pay the bills, as you know.
And by the way, my podcast is called The Axe Files and is available exclusively on CNN.com.
You should take a listen, Jimmy.
Very insightful stuff.
You could learn a thing or two about politics.
Thanks, Andy.
So you've been consulting the governor about his Twitter presence.
Oh, absolutely.
The governor's political instincts have always been correct about standing firm with Israel vis-a-vis the voters in New York State, especially when competing with the likes of Kirsten Zilibrand.
And that's all his own pure political genius right there, I must say.
Thanks, Davey.
And that's right.
I have to stand firmest, the most with Israel standard.
That's right.
And when these atrocities occurred on October 7th, I saw the opportunity to double down on that message via tweets.
This is what you pay him for, really?
Handsomely, but it's well worth it.
Oh, geez.
Luckily for Governor Cuomo, a few days later, it was Monday.
So in the midst of his pro-Israel tweets, he had an opportunity to tweet a pro-Columbus Day tweet.
Because I am a proud Italian American.
Right.
But specifically not tweeting about Indigenous Peoples Day, the PC or woke answer to Columbus Day, indicating to the New York voter a subtle political message.
And what's that message?
Andrew Cuomo does not care about indigenous brown or whatever type people, including Palestinians.
Thereby saying he really, really means the Israel shit.
That's correct.
I absolutely fucking do not care.
Well, it sounds like you're in good hands, Governor.
Hey, David Axelrod, how much is he paying you for this service, really?
Well, it's more of a barter thing, actually.
He's training me how to be a bull like him.
Oh, Jesus.
I've always wanted to be an assertive, aggressive male, but have lacked guidance.
And he's just the guy to do it.
That's right.
And he's been a good little student, actually.
Maybe steps for sure, but we'll grow a pair of stogats on him before it's all done.
Why, just the other day, he passed his first lesson of treating weight staff like his own personal servant.
Yeah, I sent my food back and everything.
It was exhilarating.
Well, this sounds great, guy, but we got to go.
Best of luck to you both there.
Best of luck.
What's that supposed to fucking mean?
I mean, thank you, thank you.
Sorry, sorry, you were being nice.
Good try, David.
You'll get there.
You'll get there.
Jesus.
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