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Aug. 4, 2023 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, baby, it's Vince Vaughn.
Double V. How are you, buddy?
I'm doing great as always, Jimmy Door, but the question is, how are you doing, birthday boy?
I'm doing great, Vince.
Thanks for.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday, Jimmy.
Thank you, Vince Vaughan.
What did you do?
What did you do for your big day?
Tell me all about it.
Don't leave anything out.
Went up to Santa Barbara and had dinner at my favorite new restaurant.
Wow, that sucks.
If I had been in charge of your birthday, it would have been way better than that.
Believe me.
I would have spared no expense for my sweet baby James.
All right, Vince.
Well, thanks again, but I enjoyed it.
It was perfect.
Well, okay, suit yourself.
But here comes the big question from last week.
Which one did you see?
Which what did I see?
Which of the two movies, dumb shit?
Which movies?
There are only two movies?
Only two that matter in our current cultural zeitgeist, Barbie and Oppenheimer.
Which one did you see?
Or did you do the bisexual thing and see both on the same day?
I saw neither, actually.
What?
Well, then, how do I know what kind of person you are?
I don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of these movies in particular.
It's just because they were released on the same day?
Well, that's part of it for sure.
But you are what you consume now.
That's the rule.
So your choice in this matter says everything about you that is important, and we get to judge you on it.
Oh, okay.
I see.
If you chose Barbie, first of all, that means you're one of these everybody's a little bit gay people.
Which really just means if you're a super good-looking guy, you can get away with wearing pink and performatively being into girly shit.
It makes you even hotter to some women.
But again, only if you're a hot guy, if you're an average guy and try that shit, people want to call the police.
I know.
Okay.
And if you really want to double down, you weigh in on the Barbie discourse.
Oh, God.
Dare I ask, what is the Barbie discourse?
Well, there's the patriarchy for one thing.
What do you mean by the patriarchy here exactly?
Nobody really knows, Jimmy.
It's interesting.
In a traditional sense, patriarchy refers to a way in which traditional societies are arrayed such that decisions for women are largely made for them by men throughout their lives, and they're relegated to tightly defined gender rules that typically are in the domestic sphere.
But in the Barbie discourse sense, it means anything that women don't like.
I see.
So, for example, men being attracted to certain female body types, that's a patriarchy right there.
And men not being sexually appealing to women at all for any reason, that's definitely a patriarchy.
It's a beautiful enigma, this patriarchy.
Is a movie about Barbie really the right platform to explore these issues?
I mean, actually, I heard the movie is rather self-aware in this regard.
I wouldn't know, Jimmy.
I haven't seen the fucking thing.
I said he wanted to go, so I locked him in the basement with a bunch of old G.I. Joes that I got off eBay.
I'm just going on what I see people talking about on social media.
I see.
And then we have Oppenheimer.
If you're a deep thinker and a very serious-minded person, this three-hour bladder challenge is the summer flick for you.
Just look how serious his face is.
Yeah.
His face.
Yeah.
And boy, oh boy, is there Oppenheimer discourse?
I bet.
Was Oppenheimer a good guy?
Why are there so few minorities in this movie that is exclusively about American scientists in the 1940s?
And also, the big one.
Should we have dropped those two bombs?
Should we even have made them in the first place?
Yeah, but that is...
Is it?
Is it really?
Yes.
Okay, Jimmy, you're starting to sound like a Barbie guy, I'm going to be honest.
First of all, we won the war.
Would we have won the war without the bombs?
Probably, yeah, but this was like the coolest way to win.
It definitely looked the coolest.
Japan started in a pretty cinematic way.
We were just wrapping up the movie on the same note it began on.
Okay.
And if we didn't, we wouldn't have had the Cold War or any of that shit.
Our entire childhoods would have been different.
The entire 20th century.
We never would have had that Billy Joel song where he lists all those things.
Yeah.
I love songs where they list things.
Have you no soul?
I don't see this as a very good argument, Vince.
Well, it doesn't need to be, Jim.
Jam, it's movie discourse.
It's online.
What did you think of these two movies, Vince?
I didn't see them.
Oh, no?
Yeah, no way.
They're both missing one very important element.
Vince Vaughan.
I see.
Yeah, well, I gotta go.
I'm gonna go see Mission Impossible 7 for the third time because that's the type of movie that I should be in.
So I'll make an exception there.
Just shit blowing up.
Tom Cruise doing his own stunts for absolutely no fucking reason.
No reason.
No internet discourse at all.
Nobody's talking about that shit.
It's the perfect summer flip.
But you have fun doing whatever you do.
And remember, this is your birthday week, baby.
Go nuts, do drugs, rob a bank, blow up a hospital, whatever.
Double be out.
Double B!
Yeah.
Establishment media sets of art inspired.
So good luck.
Bullshit we can't afford.
Why is fomenting this?
Whoa.
Watch and see as the jet go from medium speeds and jumps to medium and hits them head on.
It's the Chimmy Tor Show.
you you you So Trump got indicted, and this is the headline in the Washington Post.
Trump lies fuel January 6th riot.
Special counsel says.
So this is what they're going to try.
They're literally going to try and say that his words would stand down.
This is just.
It seems like every indictment gets more ridiculous.
But I'm not saying that they won't find him guilty because it's going to be a jury full of Democrats.
Get the right judge, get the right jury, which they will.
They can find Trump guilty of stuff.
Michael Tracy says, special counsel reveals itself to be an MSNBC monologue with prosecutorial powers.
Finally.
Glenn Greenwald says the same thing.
It says, the newest indictment reads exactly like a jointly written monologue by Joe Scarborough, Chris Hayes, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Jen Saki.
It's like Jack Smith randomly borrowed from the MSNBC scripts from over the past two years and just mixed it like a resistance ad-lib.
So what they're saying is they're trying to blame Trump for inciting the January 6th protest.
They call it an insurrection.
They took over and then we wouldn't have been almost back.
They almost took over the government, Kurt, except they forgot to bring guns.
Yeah.
Isn't that weird?
They were taking over the government.
They just forgot to.
So those are people who went to a protest.
And then the FBI, hundreds of feds were in the, so there were local cops embedded.
There were hundreds of feds.
There was Secret Service embedded.
There were all kinds of people.
They've been helplessly by.
And they incited this people to go into the Capitol so they can make Trump and his political movement criminal.
So they don't have to run against him.
That's what's happening.
Yeah, yeah.
Let him pass it.
Teammates.
They don't pick it up.
Okay.
It's okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So here's, let me just, so it's, it's, every case they bring is thinner than the first.
And here we go.
Here's what Glenn Greenwald says about it.
Since Donald Trump will be convicted on one of these or more of these charges, and there's no guarantee this is the last one coming.
As I said, liberals were really hoping for this sweeping indictment that accused Trump of being guilty of treason, basically, of being part of an insurrection, of inciting an insurrection.
And it doesn't do that.
It doesn't allege that he incited violence at the Capitol.
It doesn't charge him with crimes pertaining to violence at the Capitol.
Instead, it essentially says that the claims he made repeatedly, both in public and in the courts, that the election results were the byproduct of fraud in the election were false, that he knew them to be false, and that by conspiring with his lawyers like Rudy Giuliani and others, it named six, or it refers to six co-conspirators without naming them.
Although it seems clear we know who some of them are based on who meets the description, that it was a conspiracy to unlawfully obstruct the January 6th proceeding as well as the 2020 vote.
Now, how that is a crime is a very difficult question to answer.
And why is that a very difficult question to answer?
Because they say in the indictment, everything Trump did was, of course, protected under First Amendment free speech.
You can say false things.
It's not a crime.
But here's the problem.
Again, none of these cases have any legal or merit at all.
And we've debunked every one of them.
The first one, even CNN, laughed at.
The first one by the DA brag in New York.
Now, the second one is in Florida.
They're saying he took classified documents.
Trump was the head of the government, could have declassified any document he ever wanted at any moment.
It's another garbage charge.
If he couldn't, then that should scare you.
Yes.
If there's someone else who's supposed to classify an unclassified documents higher than the president, that should scare you.
By the way, there is.
By the way, there is.
And that means we don't have civilian control of our government.
But here's the problem.
Here we go.
So let me show you the key paragraphs of what I think are the key paragraphs of the indictment based on my preliminary read of it.
So he's charged with four different counts.
There you see it on the screen.
Let's put the caption back on the screen.
Count one is conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Count two is conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
Count three is obstruction of and attempts to obstruct an official proceeding.
And count four is a conspiracy against voting rights, meaning an attempt to deny the voting rights of other people by falsely claiming the election was fraudulent.
Now, we covered on this show before, and it is very relevant to note that there have been a thousand people, a thousand people criminally charged in connection with the January 6th riot.
The vast majority of them are nonviolent, by which I do not mean that I believe they didn't engage in violence.
What I mean by that is they're not alleged to have engaged in violence.
They're alleged to have entered the Capitol, to have believed that the election was the byproduct of fraud.
And yet many of them have been charged with felonies, felonies, for nonviolent political protest.
And there has always been a question, how is it that people, American citizens who are involved in nonviolent political protest, we've watched violent protests break out all throughout 2020.
And members of the Democratic Party often raise money for their bail.
And very few of them were actually charged with felonies or even misdemeanors unless they really harmed somebody through violence.
So the question is, how do you turn people who did not engage in violence, who are protesting an election into criminals?
And one of the ways they did that in the District of Columbia was by using.
So we don't need to know that.
But this is all about criminalizing a political movement.
But here's, let me get to the problem problem.
Of the indictment, and it is a paragraph that is intended to say, we acknowledge Trump had the right to do certain things.
And we want to make clear we are not prosecuting Trump for doing the things we acknowledge he had a right to do.
Quote, the defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim falsely that there had been outcome determinative fraud during the election and that he had won.
So they're saying he was Allowed to say, I'm the real winner of the 2020 election.
There was fraud in this election that changed the results, even if what he was saying was false.
He has that right.
They acknowledge that.
They're saying free speech right.
So they're saying that, and then they seemingly completely could contradict this paragraph in their own indictment.
So here it comes.
He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits, challenging ballots and procedures.
This is all legal.
And of course, that's what Trump did as well.
And they're acknowledging he had the right to do that, even if the claims on which those challenges and lawsuits are based were false.
So what's he guilty of?
Indeed, in many cases, the defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results.
His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.
So the question becomes: if you acknowledge that Trump had the right to do all of those things, how is it that you're able to file four federal felony counts against him in connection with his allegation that the election was the byproduct of fraud?
And here's what they say in paragraph four.
Quote, shortly after election day, the defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.
Unlawful means?
As far as I know, they never lay that out, what the unlawful means were, because everything he did, they just said he could do.
So here we go.
Doing so, the defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies.
Quote, a one, a conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government in violation of 18 U.S.C. 371.
No, those are just a lot of words.
Those are just a lot of words that are made to sound scary, but they already told you what Trump just did, and they already said it was okay.
And now these are just different words to describe the thing that Trump's okay to do.
There's no laying out the fraud coming.
So here we go.
Number two, a conspiracy to corrupt, to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6th congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1512.
And three, a conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted in violation of 18 U.S.C. 241.
Now, if you spend your time reading this indictment as we did before the show, and again, I don't want to suggest I conducted an in-depth scholarly study of it because we didn't have the time to do that.
But if you read it just on the first and second reading, you will see that there's very little substance to what they're claiming Trump did beyond the things they claim and acknowledge and concede he has the right to do, which is challenge the election, the results of the election by claiming it was the byproduct of fraud.
They use a lot of accusatory words.
A conspiracy to use unlawful means.
They talk about the attempt to overturn the results in Washington, in Arizona and Wisconsin.
They talk about the pressure put on Mike Pence to reject the electorates presented at the January 6th hearing.
But it's unclear within the scope of what they've conceded he has the right to do, any of that encompassed that went beyond what they acknowledge he had the legal right to do.
He tried to overturn the Wisconsin and Arizona results through the lawful means of suing in court and trying to speak with people in those states to gather evidence that fraud was committed.
And with regard to the attempt to convince Mike Pence to reject the electorates, he had lawyers telling him that those theories were valid, that Pence had that power.
They cite things that were Trump admitted, this seems kind of crazy, but that's hardly a proof that you know you're engaging in fraud.
That seems kind of crazy, but it seems like the lawyers are right.
So I don't want to sit here and vigorously defend Trump from this indictment.
But what I'm telling you is that if you're going to indict the former president of the United States, the person who is currently the leading oppositional figure to the incumbent president, you need to have very solid ground for doing so.
That was our claim about the ridiculous, preposterous, laughable Alvin Bragg indictment in Manhattan.
And what I acknowledge is the stronger but still frivolous claim that he committed felonies by holding classified documents that he had every right to declassify had he wanted to, given how often in Washington, every single day, you can pick up the Washington Post or the New York Times and see that people are leaking classified information without authorization because it serves their interest to do so.
People in Washington are never convicted or charged with crimes for doing the sort of thing Trump did in that case or the one in Manhattan, nor is this even close to a strong indictment.
And I think they're playing with huge fire by piling up these criminal indictments in a way that polls already show at least half of the voting electorate perceives to be abusive and politicized to the point that it's strengthening Trump when they do so because they don't really have very compelling evidence that he committed serious crimes of the type that justify bringing these charges against him in the context of how politicians are usually treated.
And I think we should think about what our media would be saying, what our establishment would be saying if in some other country that was a country we're taught to dislike in Russia or Iran or Venezuela or whomever, where they do actually have elections,
if the government in place looked at polling data that showed there was an oppositional politician gaining popularity.
This is what it said about Putin and Alvani, for example.
And the government is instead of engaging them in debate or trying to defeat them in elections, instead putting them in prison on dubious charges.
I watched that happen here in Brazil twice.
In 2017, former president Lua DeSilva was leading all polls.
So now remember this.
So remember how Lula was put in jail.
Bolsonaro becomes president.
They say he's the new Trump.
And then they let Lula out of prison.
And then he beats Bolsonaro.
And Joe Biden congratulates and all.
And that's what made me and I think Jackson Hinkle and someone else very skeptical.
Like, what's going on with Lula?
That's not good when the establishment is happy that this guy who's supposed to be against the establishment, supposed to be a socialist and a lefty, is being congratulated by the king of cap of imperialism and capitalism.
And now he's going to explain that to you.
He's going to explain that to you why they put Lula in jail, why they let him out of jail, and why they're putting Bolsonaro in jail right now.
It's the exact same thing that the establishment is doing here in the United States.
And by the way, it's the same establishment.
It's the capitalist establishment.
The CIA and the FBI and the military work for the same capitalists that put Lula in jail and took him out of jail.
The same capitalists.
Okay, so he's going to explain it to you.
By significant margins at a time when the Brazilian establishment wanted to get rid of Lula and his party because they were hoping to get a center-right party in place that they've loved forever and couldn't get.
And so they impeached the president from Lulua's party.
They then put Lula in prison.
And instead of getting the center-right establishment candidate they thought they were getting, they instead got Bolsonaro.
Boom.
Just like with Trump.
So you remember when the Clintons convinced Donald Trump to run?
And then the Clintons got everybody in the media to elevate Donald Trump so that they could run against Donald Trump because they thought they could beat him.
So they even cheated Bernie Sanders in the primary to do this.
So that's a kind of rigging of an election, too, if you look at it like that.
So they got the media to do propaganda for them, got them their hand-picked candidate, suppressed Bernie Sanders, lied about him, smeared him, did character assassination.
Plus, they also cheated him 100%.
Donna Brazil even said in her book, and I lost my train of thought.
I was going to say they openly said they'd rather have him than yeah, they said they'd rather have Trump than Bernie.
I forgot what I say.
And then when Bolsonaro was president, they knew that there was only one person who could defeat Bolsonaro, and they were desperate to get Bolsonaro out of office.
So they let Lua out of prison.
Our reporting was credited for that.
And they did use our reporting as a pretext for it, but they would never let him out of prison had they not needed him to defeat Bolsonaro.
They would have kept him in prison despite that evidence.
They let him out of prison.
He beat Bolsonaro by less than two points, despite all of the same things aligned against Bolsonaro, the entire media, COVID, allegations of criminality.
And in less than a year of Lua winning that election, in less than six months, in fact, courts have already declared Bolsonaro ineligible to run again for the next eight years until he's 70.
So they're doing to Trump what they already did to Bolsonaro.
Now, again, I'm no fan of Bolsonaro.
I'm no fan of Trump.
You know me, I'm a committed lefty.
But what they could do, if they can do that to Trump, then they could do it to anybody.
And that's why, and I've tried to explain to people that who were Bernie Sanders backers, who are loving the Trump prosecutions, that they would be doing the exact same thing to Bernie Sanders that they did to Donald Trump.
And not just now, but what they did to Donald Trump in 2017, 2018, 2019, all the Russia gating stuff, all that.
They would have tried to delegitimize Bernie Sanders' presidency, and they would have done it because they would have had most of the Democratic Party going along with the Democratic establishment, the entire Republican establishment, and the entire media.
People on MSNBC said they would rather vote for Trump than Bernie Sanders.
So that's the point I want to make, that they would be doing that.
So that's why it's easy to dismiss this.
Just like with Alex Jones, people are like, oh, who cares?
It's Alex Jones.
They're kicking him off all the platforms and taking away.
And I had to make the case to the young Turks.
Well, this is how they start it.
And now it got even worse than I thought.
It went to censoring the leading doctors and scientists in their fields, censoring them, not just randos and idiots and people or people who are provocateurs.
Leading scientists from Stanford and Harvard and Yale, they were censors.
And that's where that ends up.
And so the same thing, if you allow this to happen, they will do this to anybody who actually...
Way worse.
And so right now we're being, again, the idea that the Democrats and Republicans are the same is true.
They both want to kill Julian Assange.
They both want to keep us from having health care.
And they both want a warmonger around the world.
And they're both against the minimum wage.
They're both against.
Either of them has no plan to help anybody.
And that established that, so because that's not that government isn't here, they don't care about America.
Their donor class doesn't care about America.
Go watch the movie Network again and watch Ned Beatty's speech when he says there are no countries.
That's an obsolete idea.
There are only corporations.
And the international money system, that's what runs the world, not countries.
There are no countries.
Right now, American capitalists are wrecking America's economy and bankrupting us and hollowing us out from the inside as they fund proxy wars to the tunes of trillions of dollars.
Why?
Because they don't care about America.
They care about Raytheon and Boeing and General Dynamics and Halliburton and Exxon and Wall Street.
That's what they, they don't care what happens to the country.
There is no goddamn country.
And Joe Biden doesn't represent this goddamn country.
He represents his donor class, which doesn't give a shit about any country.
And so we are living in a worldwide criminal cabal of capitalists.
And now they're just outright jailing and criminalizing anybody who stands up against the establishment.
They see Trump.
Think about Trump.
Trump's a billionaire insider who used to bribe all these politicians his whole life.
Then he grabs power and they turn.
He's not enough of an insider for them.
Trump's not enough of an insider for them.
They have to get rid of Donald Trump.
The donor class hates Donald Trump.
The only person they hate more than Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders.
That's the only guy they hate more.
So that's what we're living in right now.
So you could have a Democrat who's a warmonger against the people and it's going to crush workers.
Or you can have a Republican who's a warmonger against the people and going to crush workers.
But you can't have anybody who's going to challenge that.
And if they do, we're going to immediately call him a racist.
We're going to call him a sexist.
Then we're going to call him a Russian.
And then we're going to criminalize him and his movement.
They already did that to Bernie Sanders.
They said his movement was sexists.
They were racists and they were violent.
They did that to me when I opposed the Democrats over forced the vote.
They said I was committing violence and I was sexist and I was right.
They do all that.
That's what they do.
And that's what they did to Trump.
And if you watch Joe Rogan, you saw Joe Rogan blow Jim Gaffigan's mind.
I know.
Jim Gaffigan goes, they would do all that just to keep Trump from abuse.
Yes.
Wow.
Like, what else could be more?
So that they don't, these are people who don't know that Russia Gate was completely made up to legitimize Donald Trump so he couldn't be president anymore.
That's why they impeached him twice.
That's what this is all about.
And people see it.
And Glenn's right.
Half the country is not going to put up with this.
And so if there actually comes to be a real civil war, by the way, the country is not as divided as the media wants you.
I travel the country every week.
People don't hate each other like you think they do.
But you know who never comes up?
I made a joke about it.
The show.
Greta Thunberg has ever come up in the conversation once.
You would think that's the most important thing.
Never come up.
Never once.
The country is not, they are dividing the country.
Who?
The capitalist cabal, the same people who run the CIA, who the military works for.
Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
Listen to Smedley Butler.
The war is a racket.
The same people who run the wars are running our government, and they don't care about our country.
You've got to remember that.
They don't care about our country, the people in charge of the government.
They don't care because who's in charge of the government?
The donor class.
And all they care about is their corporations.
They don't care what happens to this country.
So they don't care if there's an actual civil war, but it helps them contain.
Because so we've said this a million times.
Foreign policy is domestic policy.
Whatever we do overseas, we're eventually going to do to ourselves.
So we are doing it now.
So what do we do when we go overseas?
We go and we fund a rebel group to create an insurrection.
We create a civil war.
And then so then we can control with our money who becomes the next president or the ruling ruler of this country, like we did in Iran when we overthrew Mossadegh and installed a puppet, the Shah, who was there for decades.
Like we do, like we do in Afghanistan for 20 years, like we tried to do in Syria.
So we did that.
We fomented a civil war, a horrible civil war.
We funded it and we thought he would fall.
Then we would install our puppet.
Oh, like we did here, too, by the way.
They've been fomenting stuff the whole time.
So they're doing it here in the United States.
That's what all those Black Lives Matters, that whole summer, that was to create chaos.
Yeah, that's what the bricks, the pallets of protest bricks left out.
That's right.
This is January 6th, instigated by a SIOP, by those were peaceful protesters.
They were instigated by the FBI.
They didn't bring guns.
So now all they want you to do, all the FBI is doing is they're working against MAGA.
So they're trying to criminalize Trump's political organization and say they're domestic terrorists.
And so they're politicizing politics.
They're criminalizing political speech and politics.
And they don't care if there's an actual literal shooting civil war.
Who's they?
The donor class, which controls the FBI, the CIA, and the government.
They, the 15 to 20 freaking billionaires who run this goddamn country, they don't care if there's an actual shooting war.
They don't care how many millions of people get killed in Iraq or Libya or Syria or Afghanistan or Ukraine.
They don't care.
This is all, this is global economics.
And it doesn't matter if there's an actual civil war in this country.
That's not hyperbole.
And they're trying to foment a real civil war.
Who is that?
The establishment of the Republican Party and the Democratic Party through their media.
I have a bit about it in the COVID lies are funny special.
They report every story in a way that divides the country, no matter what it is.
And Glenn Greenwald is telling you, they're not going to, they're not.
I watched some of the CNN coverage of this last night.
He did?
It was unfreaking believable that they were pretending that this is real.
Well, Jim Gaffigan believed it.
Again, I'm going to do a segment on it.
I love Jim Gaffigan.
He's one of my all-time favorite comics and a good person.
And I think that's why, I mean, from my judgment, if I can make that judgment, I think he's a good person.
And I know him and his wife.
They're very nice.
He doesn't know anything.
That's all.
But I could easily have been him if I didn't do this show because I used to watch MSNBC and CNN religiously read the New York Times and the Washington Post, and I believed what I was being told.
And most people are like that.
Now, since I do this show every day, I see through it.
I saw through Russia Gate.
I saw through the Syrian war.
I saw through COVID.
I see through this.
I saw through the indictments.
I see through.
So that's because I'm doing this.
And those people don't.
They're busy doing other things.
And so my thing isn't to judge Jim Gaffigan, but to show as an example, this could happen there.
But for the grace of God, go I, because we're all propagandized and we don't know we're propagandized.
They think that happens to someone else.
I think it's starting to dawn on some people.
If you think Russagate is real, you've been propagandized.
If you think Trump works for Russia, you've been propagandized.
If you think what Trump did is criminal and he should be thrown in jail, you've been propagandized.
This is exactly what the establishment is doing: criminalizing a political movement.
The actual fascists here are the people trying to put Donald Trump in jail.
Again, I'm no fan of Donald Trump.
But if they could do it to him, they could do it to Bernie Sanders.
They could do it to Cornell West.
They could do it to RFK Jr.
They could do it to anybody.
You could do it to you.
They could do what they did.
They could do it to me.
They could do anybody they want.
Nothing you could do.
There is nothing you can do.
Look what happened to those protesters on January 6th.
Those people, they're locking up for years in solitary confinement.
They're treating them like terrorists.
Nobody had a gun.
Well, good thing we all got North Korea in our pocket.
Yeah.
Somehow.
So let's watch a little bit more of this.
Eight or something, 76.
So they already got rid of Bolsonaro, using legal means, just like they got rid of law.
This is becoming the standard tool of the establishment in Western democracies throughout the world.
And that is clearly what's happening here.
Now, one of the things I want to remind you of, because so much of this has been forgotten, is that.
So he's going to tell you that this idea that so they've made people like our friend Jim Gaff again, they've made people think that Trump is a special kind of bad.
And they have to.
They have to make Trump out to be a 30-foot Hitler in order for you to vote for a demented, war-mongering enemy of workers who just crushed a strike with using real fascism.
In order to vote for that guy, you have to think there's some real monster you're fighting.
And Trump isn't.
Trump governed just like any other Republican.
In fact, he wouldn't do the foreign war entanglements as much as they wanted him to.
He did a lot of shit.
He gave you your lockdowns and your vaccine.
He gave you your vaccine and he gave you your lockdowns.
Social distance and meds.
All of it.
So that's what, just letting you know, that's what this is.
And Glenn's got some more interesting things he's going to share with you.
Let's see what this is.
And the government is instead of engaging them in debate or trying to defeat them in elections, instead putting them in prison on dubious charges.
So what he's going to tell you is that the Democrats, when Donald Trump first got elected, they tried to undermine the election.
Remember, they tried to get the electoral college people to vote against the will of their states.
Do you remember that?
And we've showed you the video, and I can't believe I didn't put it in this today's show, but there's a 10-minute video, 10-minute non-stop of Democratic politicians, elected politicians, from Kamala Harris to Hillary Clinton to Joe Biden, all denying the election of 2016, saying it was rigged.
It was overthrown by Russia.
He's a fraudulent president.
They did that non-stop for the entire time Trump was president.
But did they throw a plate with ketchup on the wall?
No.
Did they lunge for the wheel?
They lunged for the wheel.
So they did.
That's what the Democrats have done.
And I could show you that video.
But people don't realize this.
And then he's going to tell you about how they, in 2016, tried to get the Electoral College voters to overturn their votes and go against the will of the people.
And he's going to show you that he shows you the news reports from PBS.
And he goes, do you see the tone?
No one thought that was wrong.
No one thought we were dangerously going to lose our democracy.
In fairness, that is what the Electoral College is for.
That's right.
They were just following our system.
But now, because Trump, that's the worst thing in the world you could ever do was to question the integrity of an American presidential election.
They've been doing that every election in my freaking lifetime almost that they lost.
They did it with El Gore for certain.
Well, do you want to have principles or do you want to win?
In 2000, right.
In 2004, they did it again because there were real shenanigans.
And then in 2016, they would never stop doing it.
Al Gore still feels like it was stolen from him.
That's right.
To this day.
And so does Hillary Clinton.
He probably was.
And so does Hillary Clinton.
Hers wasn't.
Al Gore's was, but it was the same establishment oligarchy.
It didn't matter if it was Al Gore or George Bush.
They're going to get that war.
They got that war with Bill Clinton that they wanted.
They got Bill Clinton to deregulate Wall Street while he gutted welfare and exploded the prison population and deregulated the media at the same time.
They were going to get it, and it didn't matter.
So there's your Trump indictment story.
This is really not good.
Like, again, no fan of Trump at all.
This is horrible for democracy.
The people who are telling you that you got to vote for them to save democracy are actual fascists.
Well, actual.
They're criminalizing their political opponents.
That's what this is.
There's no two ways about it.
That's what all these indictments are about, trying to criminalize not only MAGA.
That's what George, what Joe Biden's red speech was all about, criminalizing a political movement.
And that's why they're going after that Farage guy in Ukraine because he was for Brexit.
So Brexit and Trump, same thing.
It was the regular people voting and sticking the thumb in the eye of the establishment and they lost control.
And the way they get, they do that, the get-back control is what they're doing to Donald Trump and MAGA.
And if it was Bernie Sanders, they would be doing the exact same thing to Bernie Sanders and his followers.
And that's why this is important.
But of course, the morons over at TYT and NSNBC, contract people, and all those idiots, Kyle Kalinsky is going to not report this correctly.
And they're not going to tell you that truth, that the establishment is trying to foment a civil war so that they could have more power over you.
Why does the FBI infiltrate groups and then create crimes that they could stop so they could get more power so they could have control over you?
Okay.
Anything you want to say, Kurt?
Well, once you get a nice, the anger that this is going to generate, hopefully something not from me, I don't hope.
I'm sure they hope because that'll hasten more of, you know, all that scary minority report kind of technology.
Like, oh, we're going to need brain transparency, UBI, then the AI is going to take your job, all kinds of angry people.
So it used to be that they used to just go after Muslims after 9-11, but now they're going after, they want you to hate your neighbor.
Yeah.
Well, don't worry.
We'll go after the Muslims when they don't get on board with the rainbow flag thing.
So you'll be in the same boat.
That's right.
We'd be in the same boat.
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I feel like the politician, I know how people live in this country because my job, which is suing polluters, brings me to areas of this country like I sued.
You know, I represented 10,000 families in Spelter, West Virginia against DuPont and one of the biggest jury verdicts in history.
But I had to go and meet the families in this, you know, in some of the poor, the poorest state, second poorest state in America.
I represent today a thousand families in eastern Ohio, western Pennsylvania, whose lives were upended by the Norfolk Southern spill.
I represented 14,000 families who were home gardeners all over the country who got non-Hodgkin's lymphoma from Roundup.
And I have to meet the clients.
I get to meet the clients.
I talk to them.
They see the way people are living in this country.
And it's unbelievable today.
It's like when I used to visit Latin America when I was a kid and just see the huge disparities between rich and poor, which if you're in Washington to run for Senate in New York State, you have to raise $50 million or $100 million.
You can only do that by talking to 10,100 millionaires or billionaires.
Don't have time to talk to other Americans.
And so, you know, you get into this bubble, which everybody in Washington is in this bubble, and they're not seeing how people are living.
And it, you know, I know, I see how they live that people are having to make choices every day.
People are listening.
You know, Americans are 57% of Americans could not put their hands on $1,000 if they have an emergency.
35% of Americans are not making enough money to pay for basic human needs, transportation, so gasoline, housing, their rent, and food.
They don't have it.
These are people who are making choices every day that would make you suicidal if you had to make them.
I was talking to Cheryl, you know, who you know, my wife, and she was talking, you know, she grew up very poor, and she said, poverty makes you depressed.
You're anxiety written all the time.
And these people are sitting, you know, and listening to a baby cry in the room next door and having to wonder whether that baby is $200 sick or $300 sick or $500 before they bring him to a hospital.
They have to choose between gasoline in their car and food or medicine and food.
You know, Cheryl was saying to me, he was saying, I used to watch the gaslight, an engine light come out of my car.
And it was like the end of the world because I knew I didn't have the money to fix it.
And I'm going to now go and have to give up eating in order to make sure that my car can get me to work.
And Americans are making those choices now every day.
And it's purposeful.
We created a system that was designed to strip mine the equity and the wealth of the American middle class and destroy it.
And people, you know, people love Donald Trump because he actually, I won't describe him as an honest man, but he's honest about what is happening, about how little guys are getting screwed, you know, and they know it.
And they, you know, people like where I am and where I am representing all these people in Eastern Ohio, there's a Trump sign on every lawn.
And they're there and they don't even think I talk to them and they don't even think Trump is going to help them or do anything, but they know he'll break things and they Want things broken because they know the system is totally rigged to screw them.
And that, and nobody cares about them.
Nobody's listening to them.
And it's, it's, you know, to me, it's just, it's heartbreaking to see, you know, what's happening in this country.
Well, I, you know, with the first time in 2016, I interviewed a Waffle House chef from Virginia.
And I think his name was Nick Smith.
And he said he was going to vote for Donald Trump.
And he said, you know, we all know that Donald Trump's a loudmouth Yankee.
He should have had his ass kicked a long time ago.
But he's at least offering us something.
And that's when Hillary was offering to shut down their coal mines and give them nothing.
And so I got upset at the system that made people desperate enough to vote for Donald Trump.
And that wasn't triggered by Donald Trump.
Donald Trump's a game show host.
And he didn't govern any different than any other Republican in my lifetime or Democrat.
He gave a tax cut for the wealthy people and he demagogued, right?
And he gave us the COVID lockdown, which reminded, you know, that was the last, that was the last, that was the coup de grace.
That was the last nail in the coffin in the American middle class.
We transferred, we closed down 3.3 million businesses and taught everybody how to use Amazon so that Main Street will never open up again.
And we shifted $4 trillion from the middle class to the super rich.
500 days of lockdown, which were Trump and Biden, created one billionaire a day.
500 new billionaires and the billionaires like Bezos, who, you know, who came into it with a billion increased their wealth by 30%.
And we wiped out entrepreneurs and business people in this country.
We wiped out Main Street and completely unnecessary.
No good came of it.
It just turned our country into an oligarchy.
And the establishment and their media, they take the pain that people were feeling from the COVID lockdowns and they want you to blame your neighbor for it.
Instead of blaming the people in charge, they want you to blame someone who didn't take a vaccine because somehow they're to blame for the lockdowns.
And they were never to blame.
There was always a lie that the vaccines would get us out of the pandemic.
You could vaccinate everybody and we're never getting rid of COVID.
And so they always knew that and they lied about it.
And so we've been propagandized over and over and over.
I can talk about that.
Well, you know, the WHO had pandemic protocols.
CDC had pandemic protocols.
The National Health Service in the UK had pandemic protocols.
The EU had pandemic protocols.
And they all said, you don't lock down society.
And then when they started, they actually started planning it.
You know, the neocons came out of the neocons.
In 2002 and 2003, they started publishing these little papers saying when there's a pandemic, we're going to lock down the whole society.
And D.A. Anderson came out of retirement.
And the guys who wrote that paper ended up running Operation Warp Speed.
But D.A. Anderson, who is the most famous epidemiologist in the world, infectious disease expert, he's the guy who's credited kind of single-handedly with exterminating smallpox.
So everybody, nobody questions his judgment.
He was the guy in charge of eradicating smallpox.
He came out of retirement when those papers started being published.
And he said, you can't do that.
You will kill more people with the lockdown than the disease is going to kill.
And he did all these wonderful publications saying it's the worst thing you can, it's going to make the disease spread.
Disease, disease, respiratory disease spread indoors.
Yes.
And, you know, and you protect, you, you isolate the sick.
This is what they did with smallpox.
They isolated the sick.
And, you know, a lot of people believe there's a lot.
I'm not going to, I don't take a position on one way or not the other about this because I don't know.
But there are books written that the smallpox vaccine had nothing to do with eradicating smallpox because it disappeared in areas where there was no vaccine.
But the reason it disappeared was because of this traditional pandemic management.
You isolated the sick.
You got them away from people.
And that's how they killed.
And then you protect vulnerable, the elderly, et cetera.
And that's how they eradicated it.
So, you know, again, I'm not taking a position on that.
I do not know.
I don't know enough about it.
I haven't studied it.
But that, you know, is, but that's what D.A. Anderson did.
You know, he did the vaccine and he did the lockdowns.
That's what people say.
A lot of the scholars say.
But did it demoralize you like it did me to see every Democrat, including Bernie Sanders, vote for the CARES Act, which was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history.
And they pretended they were doing it to somehow help workers, which was a lie.
And they all lied about it.
Yeah, I mean, it was dismaying, but what I was curious about was the sort of the mechanisms that, because I don't believe Bernie Sanders did that maliciously or malevolently.
I think he was.
Not only did it, he lied about it.
He not only did he do it on purpose, he lied.
He lied when he said that he put, he got the unemployment.
He didn't get the unemployment put in there.
That was, I'm thinking, another senator got it put in.
I can't think of his name right now.
And then Bernie tried to take credit for it.
So he's not what he pretends to be.
And right now, he already endorsed Joe Biden a year and a half out.
That's the most unprogressive thing you could do, undemocratic thing you could do.
He's a willful tool of the military industrial complex and Wall Street on purpose.
He's voted for all these wars.
He's a war pig.
That's the worst thing you could be as a progressive is a war pig.
Yeah, that's the truth.
And so, yeah, I don't know him personally.
Maybe you do.
So maybe you have warmer feelings towards him, but I don't.
I feel like a big betrayal to the progressive movement.
He took all the, I mean, we were we figured out that the Democratic Party was taken over by corporations and there wasn't a difference between the parties that was worth anything.
And that's what he, and then all of a sudden, he just all that got thrown out the window.
And he's all that progressive revolution.
He used to start every speech.
Sounds like you're ready for a revolution.
He doesn't say that anymore.
He hasn't said that for five years.
And he took all that revolutionary energy and he funneled it right back into a pro-Wall Street, pro-war anti-worker party.
And that to me is the unbelievable betrayal without even a discussion.
Like you won't even let a debate happen in a primary before he endorses the warmonger-in-chief.
Anyway, so but what?
So how would you so you talk about you go around the country and you know, just much like your father did when he traveled to the south and he saw the poverty that he didn't know existed in the country and that really changed him.
And so you've seen that you so and I travel around the country too.
So I see what's going on.
You see what's going on.
What is your plan to help middle-class people and poor people get their head above water so they're not treading water all the time and they can afford a $400 emergency and they don't have to live paycheck to paycheck.
What is your plan?
I mean, you know, the biggest, the biggest attacks on the middle class are coming from military expenditures.
You know, we were supposed to get a peace dividend and we in 1992 when the Soviet Union shut down.
I know.
And we were supposed to get a reduction from $600 billion to $200 billion.
And instead, today, the total military expenditure of Uglu National Security is $1.3 trillion.
And the reason we need the national security is because the military is abroad getting everybody pissed off at us.
So, you know, and that's why my grandfather and all of the framers of the Constitution, John Quincy Adams, everybody else, Quincy Adams said America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy because when we turn America into an Imperium abroad, we are going to turn it into a national security state at home.
The two things are joined, conjoined.
And everybody knows that.
You can't have an Imperium abroad.
You can't have an Imperial Nation abroad and still continue to have a democracy.
You're going to turn it into a garrison state, a security state, a surveillance state.
And that's what we've got today.
And all of it is connected and it's costing us $1.3 trillion and it's enriching the military contract.
You know, Mitch McConnell, when he was asked recently about the Iraq or about the Ukraine war, says he said, don't worry that it's $113 billion.
It's $113 billion.
He said, he said, that money, none of that is staying in the Ukraine.
It's all coming back to U.S. military contractors.
He admitted it's just a money laundering operation, the whole thing, you know, and he said it's enriching our country, but he meant it's enriching these military industrial economies.
And by the way, the same month that we topped off our commitment, which was in March, we topped off our commitment to this March of $113 billion to Ukraine.
And that same month, I have a buddy who's a commercial fisherman and a lifetime, long, long-term buddy of mine.
I represented commercial fishermen for all of my career, you know, in lawsuits.
That's how I started environmental law representing commercial fishermen on the Hudson.
And this guy is a commercial fisherman from, he's fished out of Well Fleet.
He fished out of Chatham and also a couple of ports in Long Island.
But his whole life is that.
And that business is, you know, privately owned business.
His son-in-law now owns the oyster business, but he has no pension.
He has no equity.
He has no salary.
And he is disabled permanently.
He cannot work.
So he's on disability and he was getting food stamps, $283 a month in food stamps.
Now, meanwhile, the price of food over the past two years, okay, has gone up now 36%.
But actually, for basic foodstuffs like chicken, dairy, and eggs, 76% in the last two years.
And so he's watched the value of that $283 shrink.
$283 is about $9 a day to feed yourself.
All you're going to get is bad food for that.
So we're feeding the poor bad foods, make them sicker.
On March 1st, the same month that we topped off Ukraine at $113 billion, he got a phone call, a roto call from the government telling him that his food stamps were cut by 90% to $23 a month.
30 million Americans got that call.
You know how much that saved us?
$113 billion.
The same amount we're sent to Ukraine.
And that same month, 15 million Americans were cut off the Medicare rolls.
And that same month, the government, the Fed printed $300 billion unanticipated to pay off the investors in the Silicon Valley Bank.
So there's a lot of money for military contractors and there's plenty of money for the banksters.
But if you're poor in this country, we can't feed you.
You cannot feed yourself.
And, you know, so the first thing we need to do is we need to cut the military.
We got 800 bases abroad.
We need to cut those expenditures back from the raw military expenditure, $900 billion.
We need to cut that to $500 billion.
And we need to do that right away.
And then we need to cut our health care costs.
Now, all of the Democrats and Republicans are arguing about Obamacare, different ways to pay healthcare, different ways.
Who pays?
None of it reduces the cost.
It's just who's paying for it and how do you pay for it?
Is it individual Americans who get stuck with the bill?
Is it the hospital systems?
Is it the insurance industry?
Who is it?
And it's like moving deck chairs around on the Titanic.
The ship is still going down.
And you're just figuring out who's going to get saved and who's not.
But the real question is: why are we spending so much?
We spent $4.3 trillion.
We spend 20 times as much in real dollars on healthcare than we did when my uncle was president.
20 times.
Why is that?
Here's why.
Chronic disease.
In 1960, well, let me say this: 80% of healthcare costs are now going to chronic disease.
So 80% of that $4.3 trillion.
In 1960, 6% had chronic disease.
By 1986, 11.8%.
So 12%, it doubled.
By 2006, 54%.
They won't tell us what it is now because they don't want to tell us.
Really?
Yeah, they won't do that study again.
But there was a study that came out this week.
So we're getting sicker and sicker.
We're getting sicker.
And we are the sickest country in the world.
We have the highest chronic disease rate of any country, burden, of any country in the world.
That's one of the reasons we have all these deaths from COVID.
We only have 4% of the population.
We had 16% of the COVID deaths.
How's that a success story?
Number one, how's Tony Fauci getting all the laurels and ribbons pinned and the metals pinned on him?
Number two, he had the worst death rate of any country in the world by far.
And part of that was mismanagement, not giving people ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.
But the other part of it was chronic disease.
These people weren't dying of COVID.
I was pushing them off the cliff.
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