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June 9, 2023 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Beep.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy.
This is former New Jersey Governor Chris Christian.
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
What?
He hurt me.
Do people remember?
But why are you calling after all these years, Chris?
Because I'm about to announce my candidacy for president.
I'm relevant again.
I made the fucking news over here.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But your voice.
What about my voice?
What about your voice?
Fuck your eyes.
When did the Sopranos go off the air again?
Just to remind me when the Sopranos went off the air again.
What difference does it make when it went off the air?
It's still available on streaming services.
It keeps being rediscovered by younger generations.
There's still a robust online discussion about the show and its legacy.
It's a beloved cultural push stone that still resonates to this day, you fucking funnel.
Okay, settle down.
Kiss my front button.
Governor, Governor Christie, please.
Maybe this is just how I talk.
Do you ever think of that?
Yeah, but it's not, though.
Maybe it's just a really inaccurate impression that sounds like a totally other guy as a coincidence.
Okay, maybe.
And another thing.
Isn't this funnier?
Isn't this funnier than how he really talks?
I mean, come on.
Really?
Really?
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha.
um Okay, fine.
Okay, good.
I don't want any beef with you, Jimmy.
We can't move forward with any beef.
Are we good?
Yes, we're good, Governor Christie.
No beef.
God, I'm so fucking hungry right now.
Oh, brother.
Wow.
Of course, it's going to be fat jokes.
All right.
Can we at least have a serious conversation about the 2024 race?
Jesus.
Sure.
Of course.
Whatever you want.
We'll talk about whatever you want.
That's what I'm paying you for, right?
Paying me?
Sorry, I got you confused with somebody else.
Yeah, the Republican field is getting pretty full as we speak.
What sets you apart from your competitors?
Because I'm the only one who's not going to pussyfoot around Trump.
Everyone else is going to pussyfoot.
I'm not going to pussyfoot.
You're not going to beat Trump unless you take Trump head on.
Hit him hard.
Hit him where he works, where he sleeps, where he eats.
Hit him at the tanning salon where he least expects.
I see.
I'm not afraid of him.
Fuck him.
Are you sure you're really in a great position to challenge him after endorsing him twice, working for him, and being publicly tossed aside and humiliated by him?
Come on, Jimmy.
Why you gotta say that?
Because it's true.
I gotta be tough over here.
I gotta look tough.
I gotta talk a bunch of shit about him.
Knowing full well I'll fold like a pool chair The second he challenges me Or calls me chub chubby or whatever laughter laughter laughter laughter laughter laughter laughter Well, then how are you gonna handle being on a debate stage with him?
Let's be honest.
This probably isn't gonna get that far.
Then why are you doing this?
Attention.
Wow.
Really?
I mean, mainly, yeah.
It could go further.
Who knows?
I get to look tough.
I'll be tougher than my fets, that's for fucking sure.
I'll bully some of the other candidates, the ones I can get away with.
Maybe some regular citizens, too.
And then once I drop out, I can write a book called Tough Talk by Chris Christie or some shit.
Retire a millionaire.
How inspiring.
Just a simple kid from New Jersey who had a simple dream to absolutely fuck up traffic one day over a petty dispute and then run for president twice unsuccessfully only to be humiliated by a shot.
And believe me, I've almost accomplished them all.
Well, I certainly would buy your book.
Really?
Absolutely not, Chris.
All right.
I don't need this.
I don't need this fucking abuse.
I could go home and get this kind of abuse from Calm if I wanted.
Calm if I wanted to.
Thank you.
Chris, you're not Tony Soprano.
I don't know who I am anymore, Jimmy.
I'm confused.
I'm lost.
I'm hungry.
All the fucking time.
I need to do some soul searching.
For real this time.
I mean it.
Maybe speak in your real voice.
Fuck that.
That's the last thing I'm going to do.
I'm going to call you every week to talk to you in this voice.
You like that hot shot?
How do you like that hot shot?
Feel tough now, hotshot?
Hotshot.
Okay, I'm done.
Goodbye.
Bye.
Yeah.
Establishment media sets of artists fighting.
Oh, good luck.
Bullshit.
We can't afford.
Why is fomenting this?
Watch and see as the jet go.
The medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on.
It's the Chimitor Show.
you you you Thank you.
We have a special guest with us.
Mike Byner is an American writer, filmmaker, stand-up comedian, and actor.
He's directed film starring Kevin Costner, Adam Sandler, Ben Affleck, and Octavia Spencer.
His acting credits include Steven Spielberg's Minority Report, and he wrote the 2016 novel entitled Keep Calm.
And he currently produces a comedy-themed stub stack called Stand-Up World.
Plus, he also did the Comedy Store documentary series on Showtime and lots more things.
Please welcome Mike Binder.
Hey, how you doing?
Hey, thanks.
Welcome to the show.
It's great to have you on.
I'm really happy to be on the show.
I really enjoy it a lot.
I watched a lot.
So we're going to talk about this today.
So you wrote this article over at Stand Up World.
It says, What does it mean to be brave as a comedian in today's world?
And so let me just read a little bit of it to the people who will get a start.
It says, What does it take to piss off the powers that be nowadays in the ways that Richard Pryor, Lenny Bruce, Mort Saul, George Carlin, Joan Rivers did in their day?
Who is brave and bold today in that way in the world of stand-up?
Is it pushing the envelope to simply berate white women, even if it's funny?
Does that make a smart comic brave?
Does crudely and in detail talking about sex as a woman comic make you someone that courageously walks the edge today?
In Yemen?
Is it as risky as some of the other stuff Pryor and Paul Mooney or even Eddie Murphy or Chris Rock or Bill Hicks were doing as they were breaking through?
The best stand-up is always counterculture.
It always spanks the elites and those that have their hands on the wheel and in the till.
It's telling us things we're not supposed to hear, didn't want to hear through humor.
Now, most comedians stopped doing that during COVID.
I would say, yeah, during COVID, maybe even a little before COVID.
A lot before COVID.
Okay, I would say before COVID.
Let me just.
Some of the most successful and respected and so-called edgy comics today are not brave in the slightest.
At least not in the last five or 10 years they haven't been.
They've been fake brave, and we've accepted it.
They, by and large, have been pretending to be willing to push the buttons, to be telling the truth, giving the crowd exactly what they know they want to hear.
Yes, they're talented as hell, but with the wind at their backs, they're playing the same game state-sponsored media has been playing in the same time period.
Whoa, that now, what, Mike?
Let me bring you in now.
Name names, first of all.
Start naming names.
No.
And now, I've known you as a comedian, you know, before I was even a comedian.
So you're somebody who knows the ins and outs of the stand-up game, and it's obviously close to your heart.
So tell me what led you to write that and say those things.
Oh, just tired of it.
Tired of it.
And also inspired by a few people, you being one of them that are telling the truth.
And I just, you know, actually, I just, you know, it's just you do.
You get tired of it.
You get tired of even, you know, I just got back into doing stand-up again since last June, you know, and you just get tired of realizing, you know, you just the things you can't do, or you say, oh, I'm going to try this joke out, and your wife and your kids or your friends go, you can't do that.
You can't say that, you know, or, or, you know, and you realize, or, you know, and, you know, I've been writing this platform stand-up world for a couple of years.
And as I wrote in there, you know, I really love this Jim Brewer special that he wrote called Somebody Had to Say It about the vaccine.
So yeah, here it is.
So you wrote this article.
That was in 2022.
Yeah, it was February 7th, 2022.
It says, Jim Brewer, not your father's goat boy, right?
So, and you wrote it.
Go ahead.
Right.
And it was really about this special that he had called Somebody Had to Say It.
Got someone's got to say it.
Yes.
And it was mostly about blowing up the COVID narrative.
He was the first comedian I saw on film.
It was for his special.
And he was pushing back against the ridiculousness around all of it, all of it.
So, and it was a lot of it was very funny, I thought.
I thought it was brilliant.
I thought it was brilliant.
And he was so physical and crazy.
And I just, I really thought he was brave.
He was brave.
It was definitely brave.
It was at a time when nobody was pushing back at all.
And he was really talking about how just the fact that you're not allowed to ask, say anything, you know?
And I just wrote about that and how he made me laugh, this guy, you know?
And boy, I got in a lot of trouble.
And I had a lot of friends call me and tell me to knock it off.
And I was so surprised by it.
And, you know, at the time, I think I had on Twitter just by being a comedian and having a TV show for a couple of years and 100,000 or something, 80,000 Twitter followers.
I immediately just dropped down to nothing.
And then, you know, it just basically Twitter just froze me out.
And then when I, my buddy Bobby Kennedy, who has been my friend for 30 years more, he came out with the book, The Fauci book, and I read it and it was great.
Yeah, it's a great book.
Let me, before we get to that, let me just show what you have to say about Jim Brewer.
You said when you wrote that article, a lot of my friends got pissed off at me over it.
I think Twitter throttled me.
I thought I was safe.
I've been a registered Democrat my whole life, donated to the right causes, walked the walk, thought I could write about whatever I wanted to, thought I was inoculated.
More vaccine bashing.
I was wrong, he says.
I mean, I could have told you this 10 years ago.
I told everybody like 10 years ago, like, no, I mean, I had to be one of those guys.
I really did tell everybody years ago that everybody wanted to still be cool at the industry.
And one by one, a whole bunch of guys are like, hey, they're all, this isn't right.
I don't mean my.
I've been watching this for a while.
It was way before COVID.
I mean, like, and what it is, it's not stand-up.
It's showbiz.
Joe Biz.
Like, everything gets, they get conflated all the time, but you could always do stand-up.
Louis's still doing stand-up.
Yeah.
Okay.
Showbiz is the thing that, and that's where all the nonsense is going on.
And yeah, you have to be a Scientologist if you want to be in good graces with the, you know, the Scientology business.
Stand-up's the lowest rung of comedy.
I've loved.
You can't kick that.
That's what you get sent to as a punishment.
Stand-up is the lowest rung of show business.
Showbiz.
I'm sorry.
So when you wrote that article, Mike, about Jim Brewer's special, and his special was all about pushing back against the COVID narrative.
You had a famous comedian.
I think I want to say his name, Don Knott.
He called you.
What are you talking about?
And you had this, and you had this conversation with him about Jim Brewer's special.
He was upset at you for writing something nice about it.
And then you asked him, and I'll show it.
And you asked this comedian, you asked him, did he see it?
And Don Knott says this.
He says, fuck no, I didn't see it.
I'm not going to watch some anti-science thing.
Misinformation like that is just going to get more people killed.
And the people that don't get the vax are going to prolong this damn thing and then screw it all up for everyone else.
Oh, please say who it is.
No, it's Don Knott.
Well, if everyone else has the vaccine, then you say, but do you.
But this is what they thought.
So you can't, like, as Joe Rogan says, that if I didn't, if Joe Rogan didn't have access to all the people and information that he does, he would have thought like this.
And I did think like this at the beginning.
I thought just like so.
Here's the thing.
Go ahead.
I didn't because I was friends with Bobby Kennedy.
Right.
And I read, actually, I think I read a manuscript of the book, you know?
But, but even that, I just also, and I read.
I listen.
Oh, that's all good.
That's not because you're desperate.
No, it's not good, Ed.
We don't need no reading.
I love that bit.
But, you know, so what happened was I would, early on, I would say things to guys like this guy who I was working with, and they would get mad at me.
And I was like, I'm just, listen, it doesn't matter.
Look, I had to get the vaccine because I was working on a show and I had to get it.
But I just said, there's some questions about it.
It's okay.
You know, and even now, you know, listen, even now with everything that's come out, everything that's come out, you know.
They still deny it.
Don't you know it's anti-science to attack someone's faith?
And they, and they memory.
And they memory hole everything.
They memory hold like the fact that they said it would stop contraction, it would stop the transmission, and then it would end the pandemic if everybody got vaccinated.
They have now memory hold that.
They pretend like nobody ever said that.
They say still say it, a bunch of them.
Well, the biggest thing they memory hold, the biggest thing they memory hold was they said that this was a pandemic of the anti-vax of the unvaccinated.
They said it was a pandemic.
And that was that the people that aren't getting the vaccine are keeping this thing going.
Yes.
And it was okay to lay them off and to ostracize them.
And they know now they were dead wrong about that.
And nobody, when I talk to my friends now and say, look, you know, that was just wrong.
And that's what Jim Brewer, you know, so it was wrong to get down on Jim Brewer for having that special.
There's no, yeah, I was wrong.
There's just, there's nothing.
And that's, to me, what's going on here is, is it's okay to be wrong.
It's okay to be wrong.
Yes.
But it because, and you said it's so great in your special.
That's what science is.
That's what this whole thing that we went through, we were clawing our way through the dark.
It's okay if we made mistakes.
What's not okay is to not have to make questions along the way.
Yeah, to shame inquiry, that you're not supposed to do that.
So what I say in my special, and I've talked about this on the show, is that this idea that you have to trust science.
You don't trust science.
That's not science, it's a way of thinking, and it's a way of thinking skeptically.
And there's never something called settled science because that's why we know about black holes and the speed of light and EMC equals MC squared is because Einstein didn't accept the science of gravity that Newton talked about.
He questioned it.
And that's how you've moved forward.
That's how you always move forward.
So people say, when they say, I trust the science, what they mean is I have blind faith in what the guy who says he's a scientist on television says.
And I'm not going to question what he says.
And so you want to say something real quick?
You know, consensus.
Consensus.
Remember, you're the guy who figured out you need to watch the doctor Ingo something or something.
Yeah, wash your hands?
Yeah, because the doctors, it was like the consensus higher death of babies because they were working with corpses and then delivering babies.
And then delivering babies.
And he realized, and they didn't go, oh, great.
Now they ran him out of his job and he died in insane asylum.
That's right.
So this idea.
So let me give, let me just.
Before you move on, can I tell you one funny thing?
Yes.
One just little funny caveat to this conversation behind you.
Yes.
Right before I got on with you today, right now, I got an email from this guy who I don't want to say his name.
Don Knott.
Don Knotts.
One of his employees says, sends me an email that I hadn't talked to in a couple of years.
Says, hey, great job, badmouthing so-and-so and his wife.
And I said, I didn't mention his name.
He goes, oh, come on.
You didn't have to.
The way he was talking about the vax and all that, you know, that was him.
I said, okay.
So, but I've had, so my point is, you can't, I can't blame those people.
Here, I just want to get back to my point.
So I totally understand how people thought like that.
I thought like that.
I thought that if the people didn't wear masks and they didn't get vaccinated, they're the motherfuckers that are going to keep this thing going.
And I thought all that until I got vaccine injured, which was early on in early 2021.
And then when I looked into it, it turned out they were lying about everything.
So my point is, I've had conversations like this, and it's very frustrating.
But I don't try to dem, you know, I don't think you do either.
We want to be able to have conversations with people.
No, no, I don't want to demonize anybody.
You know, listen, I also, the same thing when they were all jumping down on Joe Rogan.
And they were all Joe Rogan's friends and they were mad at him.
I was like, hey, man, I think you're making a mistake being so mad at him.
But I understood why they were so mad at him, but they were wrong.
They were wrong.
And I knew something.
Also, I have a really good friend who works in Nicaragua.
He grows cigars in Nicaragua.
I think I told you this.
And they didn't have a COVID breakout in Nicaragua because they all take ivermectin regularly from the government as a malaria thing, right?
Well, I got to push back on you there, Mike, as YouTube.
Does that slow the spread in the hospitals?
Ivermectin is not.
Your miracle horse drug.
It has not been approved by the FDA to treat COVID.
So we can't recommend that whatsoever.
We have to push back on you on that.
Well, don't push too.
Well, don't push too hard.
Okay.
Because I got a horse that'll kick you right in the head.
Listen, here's the thing, man.
I got a vaccine and then I got COVID.
And I happened to be somebody who had been reading enough about it.
And I went over and got a dose of ivermectin from Bobby.
And I had COVID for about a day and a half.
So I was also prescribed ivermectin.
And I was in a test.
I was in a study where they were trying to figure out how to treat people like me.
And that was their.
There's no treating people like you.
There's no treating people.
But there was a lot of stuff.
There was a lot of stuff that I took, and ivermectin was one of them.
But of course, we have to tell you, remind people that the FBTA does not approve ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19 at all.
So, and I like you get to the, so I, I, I, uh, let's just, I just want to get back to this.
It's really an interesting article.
And you, you, you talk about Chris Rock, and you talk about his kind of journey when he was super edgy, and then he stopped being edgy.
But now you say he's coming back.
You talk about Dave Chappelle.
You talk about a lot of people, Dave Smith in this article, Sarah Silverman.
You talk about a lot of people.
Hey, listen, one of the things I talk about is your special, which I got to say, man, I really loved your special so much.
And it's one, I think it's actually the thing that started me to write the article because I thought your special was so brave and so great and really funny.
I just, you know, I really got into it because I saw you do a few minutes of it at that theater in what's it called again, the theater that we were at the Two Roads Theater and Studio City.
But you, you really, the special, you didn't do, you didn't do so much of the special at that night, but it's really, it's really a way to, you found a way to just find so much comedy, gold in all of this.
And it's really one of my favorite specials in a long time.
Wow.
I really love it.
I'm really flattered that you said that.
I really appreciate the compliments.
I didn't care for it myself.
I didn't like it.
But I hope you don't keep it to yourself.
Spread it around.
But well, you know, you have it on, you have it on your site, you know, and so.
Yeah.
Well, I'm going to try.
I'll release it soon.
How will you do it?
You'll have it on YouTube?
I'll probably just put it up on YouTube, but a lot of it, I don't know, you can't say on YouTube.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
I wonder what I could say about January 6th on YouTube.
I wonder what I could say.
Pull one of those information bars under each joke.
So I don't know if I talk about ivermectin in that special.
I talk about the vax not being a problem.
Don't even talk about it.
But let me get back to your article.
And you say, let's be honest, no one trusts much of anything about authority anymore.
It's the number one reason that stand-up is so strong right now.
That stand-up podcasts like Joe Rogan's, Tim Dillon's, Jimmy Doors are so popular that they're telling the truth about not believing they're hearing the truth.
So when we feel like we're being lied about it, we tell the truth about it.
But other people, it's risky to tell the truth about it.
So they don't.
Not just that.
If you work in an A-lot in showbiz, you had two or three or four shots mandatory and there was no getting out of it.
And you're like, well, I don't want to lose my job.
So imagine that it is true.
And you just got pumped out like that for a job in showbiz, which is what everybody did.
So that's a load-bearing narrative now on so many levels that you can't acknowledge.
No, I don't need that anti-science thing because there's the last thing I believe about it.
And it's fine.
Plus, I had four shots.
I wouldn't have, I put that in my kids.
I wouldn't have done that if it was dangerous.
There's a lot riding on this.
Listen, and here's the thing.
I'm not anti-vax.
Me neither.
Me neither.
I think the vax worked and it was there at the right time.
But it's also a lot of people have been hurt by it because that's what happens.
We paid the price of having to do it real fast.
But don't lie that it that it had that we didn't have to pay that price.
It's not like we can sue.
Right.
That's not like we can sue, and we were lied to.
They didn't get it wrong.
It wasn't because they were moving too fast.
They hid data.
They didn't want the FDA didn't want to release the vaccine trial data for 75 years.
But the bigger, not only that, not what happened to people physically, okay?
That's that's another, but I'm talking about what happened to us culturally when people, their masks came off and they became authoritarian Nazis.
And even people like I've said this on the show that people who were supposed to stand up and have a sense of history about informed consent and experimental medical treatments and turning us against each other and staying skeptical of big pharma and government, especially when they come together.
And so those people like Chomsky, he said that the unvaccinated should separate themselves from society.
And when asked how they were getting food and water, he said that's their problem.
And he'll never apologize for it either.
Chomsky has not apologized for it.
So what if he did?
It would go a long way to make people like me and you feel whole again and feel like we could maybe get a little bit of our reputations back.
But they won't.
Chomsky is just as big a coward as the people he's critiqued all his life.
He just think he should have to go listen to Neil Young over and over again for the rest of his life in a small little room.
Neil Young tells us stuff his wife told him for an hour.
Neil Young, before COVID, was protesting GMOs in food.
And then all of a sudden, when an experimental mRNA vaccine came along, he had no questions.
And you were a jerk if you didn't take it.
It's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
That's right.
And by the way, I would have rather them say, listen, this is a vaccine.
We rushed it through.
It's not going to be perfect.
And you're right.
You're absolutely right, Kirk.
You know, some people are going to have to sue this to get justification.
And they should have been okay with that.
The big pharmacy could have handled those lawsuits.
You know?
And that's the biggest problem.
Nobody believes anybody because everybody formed a circle and decided to lie to everybody's face.
And comedy fell down on the job.
Stand-up comedians fell down.
They became repeaters of propaganda, the most insidious evil propaganda that turned people against each other instead of against a big lie.
The virus was never as deadly as they said it was.
They weren't curious.
I think they weren't curious.
No, that's right.
They weren't.
They were the opposite.
Again, I've told you this before: is that comedians I know that I still don't think we landed on the moon and think Elvis is still alive had no questions about COVID and nothing about any of the lockdowns, mass, herd immunity, natural immunity, the vaccine.
No, no.
And if you did have a question, just like you experienced in your conversation with your friend, that they weren't, it was, they were impenetrable to facts and information.
Even if you asked them where they got their information was, they wouldn't tell you.
They didn't get it.
They did their duty and didn't get it.
Here's the thing, Jimmy.
At the very beginning, you said to me, since COVID, this has been going on for a while now, and it has nothing to do with COVID.
It's, you know, let me tell you, as soon as we left Afghanistan, we just jumped into this Ukrainian thing, and everybody of a certain type of person put our Ukrainian flag out on their front of their house or on their Instagram files or whatever profiles.
And they didn't ask.
They didn't do any reading.
They didn't really, there was no curiosity.
Well, why, why is this so important?
What, what, what, what, what?
It was just, when you would ask people about it, about the Ukraine and what, what is this really, and why, what, what, well, Putin is Hitler and we're saving democracy.
And I got to go.
You know, it was the same exact thing.
It was that same symptom of no curiosity.
And if you had any curiosity or if you had any opinion any different, you were part of the problem.
You know, not only did you like Trump, you liked you liked Hitler's dead body.
You liked his mother.
Right.
You know, and it just came out of nowhere.
And that, you know, I would say, because I have the, my best, I'm talking about my best friends.
I would say, well, what happened to you like hating the FBI?
I know.
You know?
And they'd say, yeah, but that's this, that was a different time.
I'd say, no, it's the same time.
It's the same FBI.
Yeah.
Let me get, so it, so you're, yeah, I did.
So, you know, we'll talk about Jon Stewart real quickly is that we covered it on this show.
Jon Stewart went on Stephen Colbert's show and he told the truth about the Wuhan lab virus and that it came from the COVID-19 came from a Wuhan lab virus.
I told you he's sorry for that.
And Stephen Cole and the Hillary Clinton voters and the Joe Biden voters have not let him forget about that.
In fact, he got excised from polite society and they were telling him to go F himself and he's a right-winger.
All the things they say to anybody, which by the way, this is all cult behavior.
All the comedians I know, except for maybe two, acted like they were in a cult during COVID.
They're acting like they're in a cult during Ukraine.
They won't, they're not going to.
And Jon Stewart, so ever since he did that, ever since he told the truth about the Wuhan COVID-19 virus, he's been trying to get back into the good graces of those people who ostracized him for telling the truth, not for lying, for telling the truth.
And so what has he been doing?
Well, he did an interview with Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton where he didn't lay a glove on him, gave him a tongue bath.
He did that.
And then he pinned a medal on an actual Nazi at Disney World.
He flew down there at the behest of the Defense Department and hung a Nazi, a medal on a Nazi.
And everybody knows he did it because Joe Rogan talked about it on his show.
So everybody watches Joe Rogan.
I brought it up on his show.
Yeah, you brought it up.
I don't think John knew, but he ain't talked about it since it's been out.
And so then after he did that, he did the Condoleezza Rice Hillary Clinton interview.
He hung a Nazi.
Wait, you don't think that John knew that he did it?
The guy covered his Nazi tattoo with like a red armband or something.
So he had a Nazi tattoo, but the guy's a well-known Nazi.
It wasn't like this guy.
John didn't know it.
And so, well, now he does.
He's doing research.
And that's why you don't do your own research.
And so now he knows, and he still hasn't said anything.
He hasn't apologized for it.
You're crazy.
And then the latest thing he did, he brought on, he had a show about vaccines.
And of course, he doesn't bring on anybody like RFK Jr. or Robert Malone or Dr. McCullough or anybody who's a leader in their field that would have a counter narrative.
He brings on three bought and paid for by big pharma liars.
And he pretends like he's doing a deep dive into the great work vaccines are.
Turns out they didn't have any questions.
There was no problems.
And so that's what Jon Stewart's.
And so this is what we're talking about.
He was fake brave.
You even talk about it in the article.
And it's disgusting.
And it's like, I want Jon Stewart.
He was my hero.
You know, I had comedic heroes.
He's definitely one of them.
That show he did was amazing.
And now he's not anymore.
Now it's like, I'm doing better work than you.
Shame on you, Jon Stewart.
I'm not even talking about it.
But you are.
You are.
And let me tell you, the guy who really is fake brave, and I didn't, you know, I didn't write it to name names.
To me, the guy who is like the epitome of this is fake brave is Stephen Colbert.
It's horrible what he did.
It's like you just want to go, wait a minute, that's like saying, I run so fast whenever I go downhill.
Yes, because it's exactly what you're doing.
It's so easy to be brave when you're called him brave.
You're selling that kind of bean, you know?
And my thing is, you're not helping society by giving them what you think everybody's supposed to hear.
And I love it.
James Comey came out the other day.
This was so amazing.
He came out and said, you know, the biggest problem with Trump winning again is he would weaponize the systems of government.
Yes.
After five straight years of Russia gate, which was invented by the FBI or Twitter, everything on Twitter that came out of the entire thing.
Yeah, all the Twitter files, all the government and social media colluding to stuff.
No, it's Trump.
He's the ultimate evil.
We have to always vote Biden.
I saw that.
You know, I'm just saying it's like there's no irony to that.
There's no irony for James Comey to say we have to be afraid of letting someone else hands on the wheel because they're going to weaponize the instruments of government.
The FBI that killed Martin Luther King.
Yeah.
You know, it's just, but so I'm saying it's not just COVID.
It's just, we don't trust anybody anymore.
And I don't try, I didn't trust the Trump administration.
I didn't trust the Obama administration.
I don't, and it's a problem.
So if you, on top of it, you know, at least in the 60s and era, you know, you have guys like Lenny Bruce and George Carlin.
And, you know, even though Mortzal, I don't think he ever really figured out how to be really funny, you know?
You know, but at least, you know, you had guys that weren't, Richard Pryor was hysterical.
But, you know, you had comedians who you knew, these guys would go to jail if they had to to get their shit off, to keep doing their stuff.
Lenny Bruce did, right?
Yeah.
George Carlin did.
But you just, you just, you know, so that's why.
And by the way, you know, when I wrote this thing and then put it up this morning, you see all these people giving me comments.
She's not brave.
He's not brave.
Forget this guy.
This guy, Joe Rogan.
You know what?
Everybody has their different version of what's brave.
But to me, the only thing that matters is who's willing.
Here's the biggest thing.
You said it.
You wanted to be in with the Johnson with the elite crowd and be invited to the right parties.
That's what they really want.
At the end of the day, they don't want to lose their card key to go to the right, to be in the right club, you know.
And I remember when Louis C.K. got canceled, you know, he had a great joke.
I don't know if you get a great joke, or I actually heard him say it one night just hanging out to some friends.
He said, you know, I'm really fine and everything.
And if I found out who my friends are and everything, but at a certain point, I go, boy, do I miss my friends.
You know, I don't want to know who my real friends are.
That's why I was what?
He said, I don't want to know who my real friends is why I got famous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, but, but, you know, that's the thing when you, a lot of these guys, you know, and, you know, one thing, you know, Rogan, he just made his own pack, his own group.
And he didn't, he doesn't, he doesn't want to go to the great to the right dinner parties.
I'm right there with you.
I'm right there with you.
You know, I remember when I was at the Young Turks, Jenkins used to get invited to the Washington White House correspondence dinner.
And I'm like, what, you want to go to that?
You're supposed to go there and fucking make fun of those people.
Those people are the problem.
Let me, let me just finish your article real here, real quick.
You go, what was true was that people who didn't take the vaccine didn't hurt anyone else.
They didn't jam up hospitals and they weren't the people from The Walking Dead.
They didn't spread anything to anyone.
They weren't ignoramuses.
They had questions.
We were told something completely different, way different.
That's a big one to get wrong.
There were also good doctors, good scientists, good writers that had done a hell of a lot of research.
We had the right to hear it.
And Joe Rogan, Jimmy Doerr, Tim Dylan, Dave Smith, Jim Brewer, and everyone else had every right to ask questions and make jokes about it.
Yet something went goofy in our society.
And suddenly we were all supposed to not color outside the lines, no matter what they sensed, smelled, thought, heard, or had a hunch was off about COVID, elections, lockdowns, the Ukraine, transgenders,
Hunter Biden's Russian-bought computer, teaching kindergartners how to give head, George Floyd's sainthood, Clarence Thomas's defamation campaign, that special needs kid who wandered into Wisconsin with the shotguns or anything about any stripper anywhere that wasn't banging Donald Trump.
For most comedians, none of the above have been jokeable subjects since 2015.
That's a big, that's, I mean, that kind of for me, that's well, just if they want to make it and get on like a TV thing, right?
That's that's what it is.
That's what it is.
You could do all those.
You do the stand-up you can always do and have your own audience, which is why it's smart that Rogan built that podcast up like that.
Yes.
But all the people that wanted to be in show biz, Bobby Lee said to me, I came on my podcast.
He goes, I want to be in show biz.
We weren't talking about COVID, but that's not the same as being a stand-up.
And a show biz dictates to the stand-up.
The stand-up does not dictate to showbiz.
I always just wanted to be a stand-up.
That was my problem in show biz.
I'm sorry, guys.
I disagree at this point in 2023.
And maybe it's just because I'm old and I've been around.
So I think you guys are in show business.
You know, I think that I think the rest of it's dead.
What you think going on Stephen Colbert's dusty ass phony show?
No, not at all.
I mean, what's showbiz?
What's showbiz?
That crap.
That, that crap.
What the AdSense, the stuff that the advertisers, that's that's what got manipulated ultimately was when all the ESG nonsense came out and the advertisers, who's going to advertise with what?
And everybody's hemorrhaging money, so they got to commit to these rules.
And then it's like when years ago, Pop-Tarts, a bunch of comics, we were doing like a fake stand-up bit for a Pop-Tarts campaign.
Yeah.
And I had to keep rewriting my toothless Pop-Tarts material over and over.
I had like two jokes because, you know, I would keep messing up the ad for Pop-Tarts.
And I got paid.
It's like none of that was worth it to have to sit.
Everything's that.
A corporate ad for Pop-Tarts, no matter what.
It's all corporate gigs now.
Those used to be the gigs that suck.
Well, that's the beauty for now of social media for me and the YouTube is that I don't need traditional legacy show business at all.
And I went right past the gatekeepers.
And as soon as I started my own show, it took off.
So I'll take the compliment, Mike.
I am in show business.
Yes, you are.
I mean, I don't know what kind of censorship YouTube is giving you, but they better stop or they're going to lose it, you know.
But I don't know that.
But I do know that you are.
And to me, and that's why I started Stand Up World and I write about people that I believe.
And it's not a political thing to me.
It truly isn't.
I really like to write, you know, Leanne Morgan.
You know, do you know who that is?
Uh-uh.
Well, she's a rates comic.
Uh-huh.
Started her own specials on YouTube.
And then eventually her fans kept writing Netflix.
So they gave her a special.
But she sells out huge concert halls.
And she doesn't need Netflix.
She can go back to YouTube.
But she created her own lane.
And she built her own world.
And I write about her a lot.
I write about people that create their own world that don't need, you know, and believe me, I'm so pro this writer's strike.
But if you spend too much time complaining about the executives and how greedy they are, which they are, you're that same time, you should be going, we're in an era.
Let's create our own world.
Let's do what you guys are doing.
Let's let I'm going to create my own lane.
I'm not going to let an executive make that much money off me.
Or if they do, I'm going to do it because I decided to let them, you know, because it was a good deal for me.
Well, Mike, you know, now, like, when I first got into stand-up, it was like all my, it was all writing and everything I did was for ViCom for like 10 years.
I didn't even have a concept of fighting on podcasts or doing your own thing was even a, you know, I'm not even that old and I, and I'm old to compare.
All kids now coming up all know that for the most part.
It's just there's still a sad allure of like, I don't know, the cool kid table in some way.
And it's not anymore.
All the people that were cool got kicked off of that table.
Yeah.
Well, that's right.
Everybody else is like on guard.
Again, people I like and I'm friendly with all the time.
I can watch them.
And everybody's so trained to think it's normal.
Like, what?
Like, not having an opinion about any of these things.
Just bringing it up.
Just bringing it up.
I don't think we should be talking about this unless there's somebody who personally knew George Floyd who's next to me talking about this confidential topic.
You have a programming.
You should have a commissar.
Yeah.
Everybody just went along with that, which if you work in an office like a jerk off, sure, you should do that.
I got into this because I don't ever want to do that.
I know.
Well, Mike, it's really a great article.
I encourage everybody to go check it out at your sub stack, Stand Up World.
No, it's not my sub stack.
It's standupworld.com.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Standupworld.com.
Okay.
And it's great.
It's really, it's, I mean, you know, me, of course, I'm, I love reading about comedy.
I like talking comedy.
And it's really a great read.
And everything you said about Chris Rock, I thought was right on.
And by the way, I wasn't slamming Chris.
No, no, you complimented him highly, very highly.
And everybody's career, you know, lots of people's careers go like this.
And, you know, he's back on top.
So when you're famous and you get to talk to all these other things, I can't believe what people I know is not really anything guy.
I know a bunch of people.
I can't believe I know that guy.
When you're really famous, the biggest elites are giving them the inside track.
Why would you go look up to see if they're wrong?
Like, I don't need to read.
I know the guy.
My friend from intelligence just told me all about how Trump's colluding.
I get a lot of that.
I get a lot of guys go, well, I know a guy in the CIA, and he's people, I'm sure they know a guy in the CIA.
And that's lying because you're dumb and you don't read things.
So you'll pass it along.
I know.
And then they repeat it.
But can I tell you one more thing?
Are we running out of time?
No, go ahead.
You know, it's really what Chris said is right.
You know, I think a new guy coming in understands it, but everyone, they're still so allured of, you know, a dying animal or something.
You know, last night I was at the improv.
I had to say at the improv, and I was talking to a buddy of mine who's a hot comedian.
And he said something that was so funny and real and raw and great.
And I said, are you doing that?
He goes, no, I can't do that on stage.
On stage?
Really?
And I said, what are you talking about?
He goes, no, okay.
No.
And then afterwards, we were talking about it some more.
And he goes, you can have it.
You can run with it.
And I said, Are you kidding me?
You would give me that?
Why wouldn't you do that?
And he said, no, well, you can do it.
He goes, I might come back and take it from you if you make it work.
I said, well, then I wouldn't do it.
But I was just so blown away because it's so smart.
So he said, if it doesn't work, like it's cursed, you take it.
But if I find out it did work, I might come take it.
He was kidding.
He was kidding.
Honestly, the truth is, he was given.
He's just a pussy, not a man.
And that comedian was Dana Carvey.
No, no, it was a young kid.
I got it.
But it was like he just really was like, I don't want to, I don't want to, I get in too much trouble with it, you know?
And I want, but he doesn't understand.
He's in movies at least to throw away the actual basic thing like that.
You know, I hope he's like, I got a movie deal I might lose.
Yeah.
And not just the show or something.
What he doesn't understand is he's missing the boat.
He just, and I love the guy, but he's just like, you're wrong.
You don't, you don't, you're thinking wrong.
You're thinking wrong.
Yeah.
It's real.
It's raw.
It came out of you for a reason.
But that's okay.
That's that's just, you know, I hear you.
It's a pretty hacky philosophy.
Let me show.
Let me show the article again before we say goodbye.
There it is.
What does it mean to be a brave, be brave as a comedian in the world today?
And of course, you're truly right in the middle.
I'm very flattered.
Thank you very much for the nice comment.
You got the top spot.
Hey, so by the way, anybody lives in LA, Jimmy's going to come out to the ice house, right?
With me?
Yeah, July 2nd, correct?
Is that so?
No, July 2nd, there's some really hacky people.
What day is it?
July 1st.
Oh, July 1st.
Okay, at the Ice House in Pasadena, Saturday night.
I'll be doing a spot on that show with you.
There'd be a bunch of funny people on that show.
I did it recently.
It was good with the hockey glass room you told me about.
Yeah, yeah, with the hockey glass room.
Yeah, it's funny.
So we'll be there July 1st on Mike Binder's show.
Everybody come say hi.
Okay, Mike Binder, thank you.
Thanks a lot.
Hey, guys.
It's really nice to be on your show.
I'm a fan of both of you.
I appreciate you coming on.
Is Steph here?
Stephen here.
Steph is here.
I can't see anybody.
Okay.
Nice to have.
Thanks for having me on.
Okay.
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*Bell rings*
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hey, Jimmy, baby.
It's Double V. Ah, friend of the show, Vince Vaughan.
How are you?
I'm good, Jimmy.
How are you doing?
I'm great.
Now that you've called, what's on your mind?
All nothing.
He he he he he.
Nothing.
Yeah, just kind of hanging out.
How are you?
Like I said, I'm great, Vince.
That's great news, man.
Again, what do you want to talk about?
Brother, I have no idea.
Okay, Vince, what's going on here?
What do you mean you have no idea?
Jimmy, I'm sorry.
I don't have a script.
I don't know what to say.
I don't know what to talk about.
How is this possible?
Mike McRae is striking in solidarity with the WGA.
He refused to write anything this week, so I got nothing.
Isn't he the one doing your voice right now?
Yeah, but voice actors aren't on strike.
Writers are.
So he can do the voice, but not actually write anything.
I'm lost, Jimmy.
I don't know what to say.
I'm not an improv.
I'm not an improv guy.
I don't know what to do here.
Okay, just calm down.
We'll get through this.
You and me, buddy.
Okay, okay.
I'm calm.
I feel good.
This is good, actually.
Maybe we can just chat and get To know each other, okay.
Don't you have a usual segment that you do?
That Hollywood Minute thing?
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's that called again?
I don't know.
I mean, usually it's written down right in front of me.
I just say whatever the words say.
I'm an actor for Christ's sakes.
I can't come up with this shit on my own.
I think it's Vince Vaughan's Tinseltown Show Pinions.
God damn, that's clunky.
But it sounds right.
You know, I think you're right.
Can you do some of those?
What, like on the fly?
Why not?
God damn it.
I hate this strike so much, Jimmy.
These whiny fucking bitches.
The clunchiest people that you met doing stand-up comedy all of a sudden don't have something that they want, so everyone has to suffer.
I have to be out here on a limb doing fucking improv because of these bony-armed snobs.
Jesus Christ got a real job.
Vince, just calm down.
We'll get through this.
Okay, go to the entertainment tab in the Google News.
That's where Mike McRae and fuck Mike McRae, too.
That's where Mike McRae gets his entertainment stories.
All right, fine.
Okay, looking, scrolling.
Okay, here's one.
Taylor Swift broke up with her boyfriend.
That's a big thing, apparently.
Nope, not that one.
Okay, okay.
Prince Harry, there's this trial about phone hacking.
Okay, what about it?
If I was going to hack a Redhead's phone, it sure wouldn't be this limey ginger.
It would be that lady from Mad Men with the cans.
Oh, God.
Okay, not bad.
Got anything else?
Yeah, not for that one.
Oh, here's one.
Actor Elliot Payne.
No, skip.
Skip.
Okay, probably a good idea.
Okay, there is yet another Transformers movie out.
Did you hear about this, Jimmy?
Did you hear about this new Transformers movie?
No.
Well, it was released regardless of you having knowledge of it.
Boy, I tell you what, Jimmy, I wish I could transform into someone who gives a shit about Transformer movies.
Too obvious.
Fuck, this is hard.
It's okay, Vince.
You did your best.
I'm sorry, man.
I need a script.
I need someone to write this shit for me.
When are Mike and the rest of his commie friends going to go back to work?
You know, years ago when coal miners went on strike, they would hire Pinkerton detectives to go mow them down with Gatlin guns.
Rat-a-tat-tat, take that bitch.
And you think we should do that for television writers?
Why not?
It would work, wouldn't it?
But are the comedy writers going to shoot back?
Come on, man.
Give me a break.
Half of these people would have a sobbing fit if they even saw a picture of a gun.
Right.
So tell Mike McRae to get off his ass and start writing again.
He's not in the union.
No one gives a shit if he's writing or not.
What is he just pretending he's important so he doesn't have to do anything?
Sounds nice.
Sounds real nice.
Like, that's shit.
Okay, well, we'll have Jimmy Door management negotiate with him or something.
Okay, sounds good.
And don't be afraid to use some strong-arm tactics with him.
Something tells me he'll fold pretty quick.
He doesn't exactly strike me as Eugene V. Debs over here.
Okay, Vince, we'll do.
Hey, next time you call, I'm sure we'll have a script for you.
Yes, please do, Jimmy.
I don't like to make up things to say.
That's not my job.
I don't like it.
It's below me.
It's shameful.
I hate it.
I'm too sickened by all this.
I have to go.
I guess now is when, if I had a script, I would say goodbye.
Ha ha!
Ha ha!
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