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Feb. 10, 2023 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Yeah, yes.
Hello, Jimmy.
This is Senator Mitt Romney from the great state of Utah.
Oh, hello, Senator Romney.
It's been a long time.
How you doing?
Oh, Jimmy, I'm just doing fantastic.
Thank you for inquiring.
I appreciate that.
Yes, fantastic.
Very well.
My wife Ann is just stunning these days.
And last night was the State of the Union address, of course.
Oh, yeah, a very lively affair, I'm told.
Oh, quite lively, Jimmy.
In fact, lively may even be a bit of an understatement.
I heard you had a run-in with Representative George Santos of New York.
Yes, I suppose you could say that he and I had a bit of a tete-tet.
A tet-a-tat.
Yes, Jimmy, a tet-a-tet.
What's that?
I suppose you could say a run-in.
That would be another way of saying it.
I see.
Do you care to elaborate?
Oh, Jimmy, honestly, I barely remember it.
It was so insignificant.
A bit of a heated exchange, that's all.
No big shakes.
I mean, you'd have to jog my memory as to what was even said.
Apparently, you told him you don't belong here.
Well, because he doesn't.
Excuse me.
I'm very sorry.
I should not have spoken that way.
But it's true.
He's a fraud.
He doesn't belong in Congress.
End of story.
Is that so?
Well, okay, yes.
Here's what happened.
He's leaning over the rails as the VIPs are coming down the aisles, looking to gladhead and who knows what else.
Well, he and I cross paths, and I'm so overcome with disgust by the sight of this little sleaze weasel who has lied himself into Congress that I just had to tell him you don't belong here.
I said it to him, Jimmy.
I should have it right to his face.
Wow.
And then he gives me this little drag queen sass, gives me some guff and talk back, and I was almost like a man possessed.
I did something I rarely do, which is swear.
Yeah.
I just looked at him and it said ass.
I called him an ass, Jimmy.
I said ass.
Oh, I just said ass right now.
Yes, you did.
But honestly, I was using it more in the donkey sense, like jackass.
Still no excuse.
Then he says, not as big of a one as you are, which is interesting because that retort is not exactly denying that he is an ass.
He said nothing along the lines of I am not an ass.
It was you and I are both asses, but you are the larger of the two, which I found interesting.
What's your problem with Mr. Santos?
Seriously.
What are you crazy?
What are you crazy?
What do you mean?
He's a liar, Jimmy.
And I have nothing but contempt for liars.
He's lied about every conceivable thing.
His family background, his ethnicity, his work history, his education, the Holocaust, 9-11, should I go on.
Yeah.
And he tricks voters and gets himself into the United States Congress, one of the most somber, venerated institutions on earth.
After the whole thing, I was so steamed, I had to go cool off.
So I went and sat down next to Senator Kyrsten Sinema, who was dressed like Big Bird.
You see that yellow?
Yes.
Do you really think being a liar disqualifies you for being a U.S. Congresswoman, man?
Well, to that extent, certainly.
May I remind you that the somber, venerated body lied our country into the Iraq war.
Okay, Jimmy, you really need to get over that.
I'm saying that as a friend.
Congressman said, Congressman Santos later tweeted at you, a reminder that Mitt Romney will never be president.
Oh, sick burn.
How will I ever recover?
Jimmy, let's cut to the chase.
There's a wing of the Republican Party that sees me as a bit of a joke, and I understand that.
I'm a goody two-shoes rhino.
Well, considering who these people are, that doesn't bother me too much.
Like who?
Jimmy, do you remember Matt Schlapp?
Who?
Matt Schlapp.
He runs the CPAC Convention, the gathering of the creme de la creme of the conservative elites.
The real far-right monkey mugs.
Well, he has always made a big deal of not inviting me and making it clear that I'm not welcome and in their midst, despite the fact that as a traditional Mormon, to my understanding of the word, I'm more conservative than all of these motherfuckers.
I see.
Well, what is Matt Schlapp up to now, one may wonder?
This man, this married man, has been accused recently by a Herschel Walker staffer of grabbing and fondling his genitals after a night of drinking.
How conservative.
My goodness.
I'll say.
So Matt is facing some lawsuits and other problems at the moment.
But that isn't stopping him from moving forward with CPAC, which will be held this year, March 1st through 4th, at the Gay Lord Resort and Convention Center in Maryland.
No.
Oh, yes.
It's just a gay lord.
Such a child.
Such a child.
Senator Romney, you can't make jokes like that anymore.
Oh, don't worry.
These aren't jokes.
The following is simply a string of facts.
A man who has been excused, accused of grabbing male genitalia, whose name is Schlap, which coincidentally is exactly the sound it makes when you grab male genitalia suddenly, is hosting a convention at the Gaylord.
All true.
Can't get in trouble.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Slap.
laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing Are you serious?
Yes.
So I am perfectly fine with being excluded from the Gaylord wing of the Republican Party because they're right.
We don't have much in common.
But George Santos, or whatever his name really is, I have a feeling will fit in quite well there for however long he is allowed to remain in politics.
They will welcome him with open arms, I'm sure.
Right, okay.
So they can have a gay old Mitt Romney free time over there at the Gaylord.
Matt Schlapp, George Santos, Matt Gates, and the Cuban man he adopted as a teenager.
I've never personally had a room at the Gaylord myself, so I don't know how big the closets are.
Jeez, I hope for their sake.
Jesus Christ.
Oh, my God.
Okay, Senator Robner.
They're big is all of them shit.
Yeah, they're big closets.
Roomy closets.
We should probably go here.
Okie dokie.
I'll let you go, Jim.
But let me know if you find anyone else out there who wants to talk shit about me.
Do any of you little fucking bitches out there want to talk some shit about me?
Because I will fuck you up.
I will get you a room at the Gaylord.
Hello?
Anybody?
I didn't fucking think so.
Ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
You're somehow a right winger now.
If you're for free speech, because that's why all those things I'm for, they make you out.
So the Democratic Party, these are Democratic rags, right?
So I think Chelsea Clinton is on the board of the Daily Beast, right?
Oh, look how this gets cut off.
People I know who are not into politics, but they go, whatever left is, is whatever.
The Democrats say, or the corporate media says.
Well, the guy's right.
My friend just says about another friend of mine who's like really some lefty.
And he's like, yeah, he's like a right wing guy.
And it was something over.
He didn't get a booster.
I swear to God.
But people can't help it.
And here's another one, right?
So this is New York mag.
The intelligence is the left's most naive cynics have turned on AOC.
Naive cynics.
So I was called a naive cynic.
That's what aimed at me.
This whole article is about me.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
How does that work?
You're both naive.
And a cynic.
I know.
Well, none of this stuff makes sense.
In fact, they start off with a lie, right?
So it says in 2016, Dorr informed his audience that it should not freak out about a Donald Trump presidency.
No, that whole don't freak out was in the primary with Bernie Sanders when he was losing some primaries.
And I would tell people don't freak out.
That's what it was about.
And they just make it fit their narrative.
So their narrative is Jimmy Dorr is a right winger, trumper.
And so we have anything he said, we're going to make it into that.
Also, by the way, maybe don't freak out about it.
Maybe next time, you know, don't screw the whole thing up.
Be productive.
So here that means there's been a lot of them.
These are just some of my favorites that have been written about me.
And Jimmy Dorr is undeniably good at swearing.
That's their first one.
That is true.
I did have to sign a contract not to say the C word one time after a show that you were there the week before.
years ago.
Oh, really?
Do you remember in Lavonia, Michigan?
Lavonia, remember?
Oh, yeah.
Because of me, you couldn't say C?
That was when I first heard, like, I had you mixed up with another Dorr.
Oh, John Dorr.
Yeah.
No, that was me.
Yeah.
And I thought it was like, I'm like, boy, he must have got really mad, John Dorr.
They go, they made me sign a contract.
I wouldn't say it.
Ah!
Well, here's the latest.
So I even missed this one.
So I don't even bother with them.
They make so many.
Those lines.
They make videos now, you know, about me.
I always go, I wonder how they're going to clip it.
I wonder how they're going to pretend I'm saying the opposite.
And they always do.
And they always do.
So now I just even.
Like, there was that one video that got like 700,000 views.
It was all Jimmy Dorr sells T-shirts.
It was all that kind of shit.
Trying to.
And guilt by association.
And just garb.
Like trying to make me out to be a grifter.
Right.
Jimmy was for the vaccine.
So wait, this whole thing?
Then something changed and he was against it.
And it's all that stuff.
Hold on.
This whole thing is for the T-shirts?
I know.
And so here it is.
So here's the.
And I didn't even bother with this.
But then how's the populist left has become vulnerable to the populist right?
Wow.
Vulnerable to what exactly?
Finding a common enemy in corporate douchebag complex?
That's what we're vulnerable to?
To more flirting probably.
So this is.
But I'm in this one.
Right.
So they didn't put my face on the thing, which it hurt my feelings a little.
This was written by.
Well, I'll show you who was written.
So Matt Taibbi wrote the response on MSNBC and authoritarianism.
He says MSNBC opinion columnist Zisham Alim.
Just penned the latest in what's become a parade of hit pieces from mainstream outlets directed at me and other independent journalists.
Even by the low standards of the genre, how the populist left have become vulnerable to the populist right is a humorous standout.
It argues that after I, meaning Matt Taibbi, after Matt Taibbi spent a month detailing how the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Defense, the CIA and other agencies built a system for mass delivery of censorship requests to firms like Twitter and Facebook.
I helped fuel a subculture that could funnel people from leftism to authoritarianism.
Oh, my God.
So the two.
I've learned so much from this one sentence.
So the two wings available are left and authoritarian.
That's it.
That's it.
And you're funneling people.
I'm funneling.
A subculture funnel.
So what Matt Taibbi just did was expose authoritarianism coming from the Democratic Party.
And so they call him a right winger.
You know, thanks to MSNBC and every one of them, most a lot of these people who you should stop flirting with, I guess, literally think those are the same thing.
Leftism and authoritarianism.
Yes.
Like deeply believe that's the exact same thing.
Well, here's all the people that that mainstream news, MSNBC and NBC News have.
These are all spooks.
These are all authoritarian.
I was trying to look him up because I was thinking that he had to be connected to some kind of, you know, You mean the writer?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's from D.C. So here's all the people that that have that are on this list.
These are the third.
worried about us they're not worried about these people john brennan former director of the ca now senior intelligent analyst at msnbc frank figalizi former assistant director of counter intelligence at the fbi asher rankpara former special agent for the FBI, specializing in colon.
Nicole Wallace, former communications director for George W. Bush.
Now at the goddamn MSNBC, all these people are at this news agency that is warning you that people like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Tulsi Gebbard, and Jimmy Dore.
Is he like the one guy, this author, who's not from a government agency before he worked here?
I think maybe.
The right word to describe, so this is what Matt says to this reporting.
The right word to describe this brand of gall escapes me.
The nerve, the bottle, the damned cheek.
The chutzpah, Matt.
It's called chutzpah.
But both MSNBC and similarly foundering competitor, foundering competitor CNN, which lost 19 and 27% of their audiences respectively last year, have been open for years now in their desire to serve as final revolving door destinations for the shadiest conceivable military and security officials.
With the viewership of the remaining people who still just wear masks.
This is who populates MSNBC and NBC News.
CIA spooks, Department of DEA, every kind of spook in the government.
Everybody's cop, every kind of cop in the book.
Actually, every authority that we have in America, they work at MSNBC.
So this article then, it's a long article, but this, then it talks about me.
It says, there are also other players who aren't as big as Gabbard, Greenwald, or Taibbi, are also involved in this game of pushing the left to consider right-wing populism across a number of different issues.
I don't like what?
Exactly.
Like what?
Why, if it weren't afraid of being canceled for Microsoft MBC, I'd say they've gone off the reservation.
YouTuber Jimmy Dore deemed the self-described leftist lawmakers in the squad frauds for what?
For declining to try to block Nancy Pelosi's speakership to force the vote on Medicare for all.
No, I call them frauds for going against what they campaigned on.
That's a little bit of a difference.
Wait, she didn't campaign on I'm going to strategically not do that.
They campaigned on explicitly doing what I asked them to do, and then they wouldn't do it.
In the same words, you said it.
Yes, in the same words.
I used to bring a ruckus on the Democratic Party.
That was AOC's words.
Violence.
Violence.
This was not your idea.
It wasn't even my idea.
It's from the DSA's handbook, which AOC is a member of the DSA.
It was their idea.
It wasn't something I made up.
So they're frauds because they went against their own words, their own campaign pledges, the things that they ran on.
That's why they're frauds, MSNBC or NBC News, forced a vote on Medicare for All, a strategic question that split the left.
Split, I split the left.
That question split the left.
Really?
Regardless of one's position on that issue, I had mixed feelings.
What is flirting with the right?
The populist right?
Having mixed feelings.
Why would you flirt with the right like that?
Purple feelings?
So what that means is, of course, everyone knows that they should have done that, but I can't say so because I want a job at NBC.
So there's the mixed feelings.
That's the mixed feelings are.
I know what Jimmy Dore was saying was 100% right.
Everybody does.
But I want to work in corporate media.
So I have mixed feelings.
That's what that is.
It's illuminating to contrast Doar's eagerness.
Now, here it comes.
It's illuminating to contrast Doar's eagerness to dismiss the squad as sellouts with his charitable attitude to the right.
How are you charitable by assuming they sucked at the outset?
Just a few months later, he conducted a remarkably credulous interview with a Boogaloo boy.
So that's their proof that somehow I'm a right-winger because I interviewed a guy.
Remarkably credulous, you say.
I interviewed a guy.
I literally interviewed a guy.
So if I interview Charlie Manson in prison, does that make me a murderer?
Didn't MSNBC who got if I interviewed Donald Trump?
That makes me a Trumper.
So anybody who interviews the president or a right-winger is now a right-winger, according to MSNBC, who is riddled with right-wingers at their station.
You are who you platform, Jimmy.
That's what I learned at MSNBC.
They have CIA, the heads of the CIA, sitting on camera.
They have George Bush's torturer apologist, Nicole Wallace, a torturer, apologist for a torture program.
That's pretty right way.
I think she said she won't apologize.
And I bet she wasn't even...
And she's on MS...
You guys have literal fucking torture apologists and torture criminals on your news show hosting them.
People who apologized for the Iraq war.
That's who's on your news show.
But Jimmy Dore interviewed a guy.
And by the way, the Boogaloo boy, that's why they keep bringing this up, is because this is what scares them the most.
The left and the right figuring out we have a common enemy.
And the Boogaloo boys are the people you're going to have to, when you say you have to organize along class lines, that means Boogaloo boys.
That means people who voted for Trump.
You know, just like Christian Smalls did in Staten Island at Amazon.
You don't go to, when you're organizing, you don't go, who hears a Boogaloo boy?
You're out.
Who here's a libertarian gun nut?
You're out.
Who hears a Trumper?
You're out.
Who hears a proud boy?
You're out.
Okay, now who's left?
We're going to organize with you.
We need to suck up.
That's not how it works.
You know that's not how organizing works.
That's what that guy, Jerry from the World Socialist website, said when he came on my show because he's a CIA plant.
And that's a tactic that the CIA uses.
They try to keep people in the same class from coming together to fight the oligarchy, which is, it's not left-right fight anymore.
It's us against them.
And MSNBC wants to keep you fighting left and right because this is a billionaire-owned news agency.
This is in service of the oligarchy.
Unlike Jimmy Dore, interviewing a Boogaloo boy is a threat to the oligarchy.
Liquid says, a member of a violent accelerationist movement with roots in right-wing anti-government and white nationalist beliefs.
So that's just all garbage.
It sounds like George Washington in the Continental Army.
But that's just all made up.
They have to say that stuff.
The Boogaloo Boys are response.
The Boogaloo Boys are a response to the Proud Boys.
The Proud Boys, which were far-right, racist, pro-cop, pro-war, all that shit, pro-Trump.
Boogaloo boys were anti-cop, anti-Trump, anti-war, pro-Black Lives Matter, pro-LGBTQ.
And so that's why all the, and you know who said that?
The ADL, the anti-defamation league.
And they are really.
And they say everybody is a racist.
They said the Boogaloo Boys weren't.
But MSNBC knows better than them.
I think SNBC should have called them up because I'm sure they would have been happy to change it to the lie we're all going with.
They just didn't want to notify them.
The hosts of Red Scare, a popular podcast once considered part of the dirtbag left, also probably fits into the anti-lib populist scene.
The co-host of Red Scare issue critiques of capitalism and reserve plenty of venom for liberals.
But they also pal around.
So I went from flirting to pally.
Now they're paling.
That's how it starts.
That's how it starts.
Starts with flirting.
Then you start paling.
And then you start conducting friendly interviews.
They did it again.
They're talking to people that are outside the cult.
So this is how cults behave.
It's called the Overton window, Jimmy.
It's not a cult.
This is, it's unbelievable.
This is how cults work.
Curtis Yarvin, a neo-monarchist blogger.
I actually saw him talking about what, and it was, he was not him talking about what he actually thinks is really pretty far from what they're saying in this MSNBC article.
So when they say I conducted a remarkably credulous interview, first of all, remarkably credulous.
That sounds like a great name of a show that Todd, Chuck Todd would host on NBC.
Remarkably credulous.
Remarkably credulous.
Remarkably.
Talk Chod with Chuck Todd.
So they're palling around.
That's first of all, I think that's a felony.
That's first-degree palling.
Right.
That's what that's called.
That could lead to aggravated clumminess.
Chumminess?
Chumminess, I mean.
That sounds like they're getting ready to have doing a conspiracy to commit platforming.
That's what it sounds like to me.
I think the FBI got like a secret report that read like this, and they used was the premise to murder Fred Hampton.
So do we do?
I mean, I appreciate that I'm that.
It makes me feel good that I got pilted into an article with Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, two of the leading journalists of our generation.
I'd say two of the last of a very small number.
A very small number of real journalists.
And Tulsi Gabbard, someone who got smeared.
Let's remember why she got smeared because she stepped down from the DNC chair so she could endorse Bernie Sanders, which made her persona non grado with the Democrats.
And then she ran against Bernie Sanders and all those pieces of shit at Bernie Sanders' campaign didn't know how to do it right.
And they didn't know how to ask her for endorsement because they didn't want it because they just wanted to be good boys.
And Bernie Sanders funneled all his movement back into the Democratic Party.
Tulsi did too.
But it's nice of me to be.
So this, so do I have to.
Anyway.
Anyway, so the smear pieces are nice.
It makes me, I know I'm over the target if they're writing smear pieces about me because that's what this is.
They're writing smear pieces about Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi.
They're sticking Jimmy Doer in there.
Sounds like these are three guys over the target.
Well, Jimmy, what are they supposed to do?
They can't go after your advertisers.
Which is how they normally would do that.
That's how they normally would do it.
Well, they do go after our advertisers, Kurt.
You know how they do it, right?
So they get a New York Times or The Washington Post to write articles to scare the advertisers that we're Nazis and pedophiles and we're radicalizing children.
And that's how they try to go after our advertisers.
Then they have articles like this.
You know why?
Because the ads use a thing that rounds up all the assessments of all the shows because everybody doesn't know all the podcasts or they can read a thing.
Right.
The New York Times said or Jimmy Doris or something.
That's right.
Oh, we don't want to stay away from that.
And that's the purpose of Wikipedia, too.
This is all establishment narrative control and discrediting critics of the establishment.
That's what Wikipedia is there for.
Go look at Dr. John Campbell's Wikipedia.
They call him an anti-vaxxer.
A guy who's been writing medical books his entire life.
He's been teaching nurses how to be nurses his entire life.
He's also advocated age group that is at risk to go get the vaccine.
And he's advocated for the vaccs since the beginning.
They call him an anti-vaxxer.
Well, it's like being a right-winger.
That's why they call me a conspiracy theorist because I debunked the conspiracy called Russia Gate.
And I debunked the conspiracy theory called the Syrian gas attacks by Assad.
I debunk those things at this show.
We debunked, we debunked the mainstream news narrative about Kyle Rittenhouse.
He didn't shoot three black people.
He shot three white people and they were all attacking him.
One of them had a gun.
The other one was just let out of prison that morning and pedophiled.
He shot, like, he tried to get away.
Tried to get away.
Only the people who attacked him.
Right?
Yes.
The last one, he shot a gun out of his arm instead of killing him.
Instead of killing him, he's better than cops.
He's better than him.
Cops don't even do that well.
That's right.
Anyway, so whenever you see a smear piece coming at me, you know I'm over the target.
Forced to vote.
Well, definitions of a lot of stuff are real loose right now.
That's right.
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Hey, I've got to show you something.
David Sirota said, why would anyone unquestioningly trust national security punditry from the same corporate media that lied the country into the Iraq war?
And so he's talking about the corporate media that lies us into every war, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, and now Ukraine and China.
So this show is called The Independent Americans, I guess.
So he had Rachel Maddow on.
This guy had Rachel Maddow on.
He's got a great smile.
Wait, which one of them is the independent American here?
This would be the independent American.
I'm pretty sure.
Because why would she be doing a show if he was an independent American?
Well, that's kind of a misnomer.
It's kind of a misnomer.
So Rachel Maddow is a big liar when it comes to a lot of things.
She repeats CIA and FBI talking points on the regular on the ready, and she even says more stuff than they even ask her to.
And so here she does it again.
This is not a meeting of two clashing forces.
So she's talking about Ukraine and Russia.
Hey, you know what else this isn't?
A meeting of the minds.
This was not a meeting of two clashing forces.
This was not, you know, Ukraine provoking Russia when they knew they ought not to, but blah, blah, blah.
You know.
Yeah, it wasn't Ukraine provoking Russo So much as NATO using Ukraine as a puppet in hopes Russia would invade.
So not so much.
So I'm just going to, you know what?
Not so much provoking as entrapping, maybe.
Or as Rachel says, blah, blah, blah.
You know, Ukraine was just minding its own business.
Is she going to say that?
The Russian mindset, like people who are like, oh, we need to facilitate peace talks here.
Really?
She's against peace talks.
Really?
Oh, these people.
I have never heard someone be against peace talks.
Have you ever the craziest right-ringer?
I don't know.
I've never heard people say that they're against people.
Maybe it's a new thing.
Maybe people are saying it.
The Russian mindset, she just said.
But a gay, a gay newscaster is now against peace talks.
I mean, a lesbian newscaster.
We all saw how Ellen DeGeneres turned out.
Oh, she was running Abu Ghraib in the back of her studio there.
I don't know, because it kind of seems like Ukraine was minding its own business and Russia came in and stomped into their house and started setting things on fire.
Yeah, Ukraine was just minding its own business, bombing its own Donbass.
Just like it's our job to mind everyone's business.
Never our own business.
We're minding their business.
So if you don't know what the Ukraine was doing, they, first of all, the CIA did a coup in 2014 of the democratically elected government in Ukraine.
Ukraine started bombing the Donbass, which is the Russian-speaking eastern part of Ukraine.
And then they had a peace agreement called the Mins Accords so that Ukraine government would stop bombing its own citizens in the Donbass.
Ukraine never abided by that peace agreement.
It's called the Minsk Agreement.
She never mentions that because she's a liar.
She's not just wrong.
She's on purpose lying.
And so what happened, they never abided by the Minsk Accord.
And so what NATO wanted was for Russia to invade.
And so what they did was they ramped up the bombing of the Donbass in the months just previous to the invasion.
They doubled it so that Russia would do this to protect the people of the Donbass.
And that's exactly what happened.
This was completely provoked.
And she's not, she's lying.
She's not telling you any.
She's telling you bits and pieces of the story.
And she's pretending like Ukraine wasn't with their Nazi battalions bombing the crap out of the Russian-speaking people in the east of Ukraine called the Donbass.
That's what led to all of this.
And by the way, this was planned for years.
How do I know it?
Because the prime minister, former prime minister Angela Merkel of Germany, admitted as much, that they'd been planning this war for eight years, meaning they've been planning to provoke Russia to do this so they could have this war.
So Rachel Maddow is just, she knows this.
She's lying, just like she lied about Russia Gate, just like she lied about Russia turning off Euro power grid, just like she's lied about everything.
She lied about the vaccines.
She said that they would stop.
You know what she said.
And she did it for five minutes.
She's not a little bit of a liar.
It's a sparkly story, Jimmy.
So here we go.
Let me start it from the beginning.
This was not a meeting of two clashing forces.
This was not, you know, Ukraine provoking Russia when they knew they ought not to, but blah, blah, blah.
You know, like the Russian mindset, like people who are like, oh, we need to facilitate peace talks here.
Really?
I don't know, because it kind of seems like Ukraine was minding its own business and Russia came in and stomped into their house and started setting things on fire.
So there's not like a negotiation between the homeowner and the home invader at that point.
So the outcome has to be specific to Russia.
And we need to do our best to save and to save the Ukrainian people to the extent that they can be saved and protected and to help the Ukrainian government and military stand up with the so she says, Kurt, to the extent to which the Ukrainian people can be saved and protected, to the extent.
We got to do it to the extent to the extent, which means not much.
They're going to be massacred, but that's really a secondary objective, isn't it, Kurt?
This is about Russia.
This is about Russia.
The Ukrainian people are going to be massacred because of this war.
And Rachel Maddow wants this war, and she doesn't want a peace talk.
And it gets worse.
They do to take care of their own people, but Russia needs to lose.
That's right.
Because otherwise, the lesson of this is that Putin can.
That's right.
So they're going to be massacred.
The people of Ukraine are going to be massacred.
But first, Russia has to lose.
And why?
Because otherwise, she'd be really embarrassed about all the Russia gating she did.
That's why she'll never forgive Russia for not doing the thing she said they did before.
Wow.
Putin can keep doing this.
It's not like this is his first invasion.
So she says if Putin doesn't lose, if Russia wins this war, which there's no way they're not going to, if she says then Putin will just keep doing it.
This isn't his first invasion.
Do you know that we're currently occupying the country right next to them?
It's called Syria.
We're occupying a third of that country that isn't ours.
That's called an illegal occupation.
And you know why we're doing it?
Because we can steal their oil.
That's why we're doing it.
And you know how I know we're doing it to steal their oil, Rachel?
Because the president of the United States who ordered those troops in there told us that's why he did it.
So this idea.
No, she wasn't mad.
She's not mad about that.
That was Trump, the bad one.
That's the bad.
And even if Trump did it, she still didn't.
That didn't bother her.
Well, finally, he was a president today.
Because the military industrial complex, who signs her check, told her not to be upset about that.
So she wasn't.
And now she's saying that, well, if we don't do something, then Putin's just going to keep invading.
The country that's been invading other countries has been your country, Rachel Maddow, the United States of America.
We invaded Iraq, killed million people.
We invaded Libya.
Same thing.
And we invaded occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, killing motherfuckers for 20 years.
Then we dropped more bombs.
You know what?
We dropped so many bombs in Syria.
Barack Obama ran out of bombs.
That's a fact.
The Air Force ran out of bombs.
And now we're currently occupying Syria.
We're currently helping commit a genocide in Yemen.
Does that matter?
And we're bombing at least probably four or five different countries in Africa.
Hey, you want to talk about the past and also the present?
And also the present.
So here we go.
And it won't be his last.
So she wants you to be afraid of Putin.
The people who are setting the world on.
And by the way, so she says no peace talks.
Do you know who wants peace talks?
Guess what?
It's their territory.
I'm not going to tell them what they should and shouldn't do.
But It appears to me that at some point along the line, there's going to have to be a negotiated settlement here.
What that entails, I don't know.
So, Rachel Maddow says no peace talks.
Joe Biden says we're going to have to have a negotiated settlement.
You know why?
Because that's how wars end.
That's a home invasion.
By the way, if this was a real home invasion, like to a single, an individual person's home and there's only been they shot the person, she would be against the homeowner and for the home invasion.
That's right.
But then he's using that analogy for a war.
That's unbelievable.
By the way, I invited this guy on the show today.
I said, hey, I saw your interview with Rachel.
I'd love you to come on.
He follows me on Twitter.
So I gave him a DM.
He didn't.
Let me see if he responded.
I don't think he did.
I went and I checked.
He was out.
He was tweeting nonsense, like things that didn't matter.
And so I wanted to make sure.
Well, maybe he's not, you know, maybe he's not on Twitter.
But yeah, he didn't.
Yeah.
Let's see some of the important things he's been tweeting.
I mean, even the logo.
He's letting people know that tomorrow he'll be on News Nation at 11 a.m.
There's no way this isn't independent anything.
There's no way.
Like you don't get Rachel Maddow on.
There's nothing independent.
They're independent of why would you be an independent news and then repeat the exact same news that the mainstream news gives you.
This makes breaking points look like the Greys or that's funny.
That guy follows me.
So you know who else thinks there should be negotiations?
Barack Obama.
And I do think probably the thing that I'm most concerned about is that lines of communication between the White House and the Kremlin are probably as weak as they have been in a very long time.
Even in the lowest points of the Cold War, there was still a sense of the ability to pick up the phone and work through diplomatic channels.
A peace?
Peace talks?
Did you hear what Rachel Maddow's disgust for that was?
These people like Obama who said that.
Obama said peace?
I don't think so.
Because then if you have a peace talk, then the lesson will be that Putin can just keep doing this.
And then because only we get to keep doing this.
It's called full spectrum dominance, and it's super progressive.
I'm glad to be an independent American talking about full-spectrum dominance.
Yes.
Russia has to lose this one, Kurt.
Otherwise, everything Rachel Maddow has ever said has been fucking wrong.
And that will not stand.
You can see that she fancies Putin her personal nemesis.
And I'm sure he doesn't think about her at any level ever.
I mean, isn't that kind of, I mean, Kurt, I mean, even someone, that's jaw-dropping to me to see someone say that, what she just said, with a straight face.
She just pretends history started in February of 2022 instead of talking about the Maidan coup and how we helped the CIA and the Nazis in Ukraine helped overthrow their democratically elected government and how this is all about economics.
It wasn't, oh, yeah, Putin just woke up one day and went, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm going to invade Ukraine for no reason.
It reminds me.
I know Kamala Harris did a better job of explaining it on that morning than she is that.
I guess she said Putin's going to learn.
He can keep doing it.
It's kind of like when a court rules that you can just lie on the news and it's a sparkly story.
Yeah.
And you get the message you can just keep doing that.
Kind of like that.
Her own lawyer actually argued that in court, that she's not speaking.
Sparkly stories.
People don't expect her to be truthful.
So here's what Noam Chomsky would say.
This is what Noam Chomsky is going to tell.
I'm going to school Rachel Maddow.
Rachel Maddow already knows she's just lying.
And I'm not kidding about that.
She knows.
And here's Noam Chomsky, and he's going to tell you what's happening.
The right question is, what is the best thing to do to save Ukraine?
The right question is, what is the best?
Not should we send arms.
That's not the question.
The question is, what should we do to save Ukraine?
The right question is, what is the best thing to do to save Ukraine from a grim fate, from further destruction?
And that's to move towards a negotiated settlement.
Rachel Mattow.
What?
Peace?
A peace agreement?
Is that what he's saying, you crazy right-wing maniac?
A peace agreement.
There are some simple facts that aren't really controversial.
There are two ways for a war to end.
One way is for one side or the other to be basically destroyed.
And the Russians are not going to be destroyed.
So that means.
So there's two ways it could end.
One is one side or the other gets destroyed.
Well, it's not going to be Russia.
So that means Ukraine will be destroyed.
That's wrong.
It could be all of us in nuclear fire.
That could be possible.
There's a possibility.
One way is for Ukraine to be destroyed.
The other way is some negotiated settlement.
If there's a third way, no one's ever figured it out.
So what we should be doing.
That's it.
Either Russia gets destroyed or Ukraine gets destroyed.
There's no third way.
The only other way is a peace agreement.
That's it.
It's devoting all the things you mentioned, if properly shaped, but primarily moving towards a possible negotiated settlement that will save Ukrainians from further disaster.
That should be the prime focus.
Now, that requires, we can't look into the minds of Vladimir Putin and the small clique around him.
We can speculate, but can't do much about it.
We can, however, look at the United States, and we can see that our explicit policy, explicit, is rejection of any form of negotiations.
The explicit policy was way back, but it was given a definitive form in September 2021 in the September 1st joint policy statement that it was then reiterated and expanded in the November 10th charter of agreement.
And if you look at what it says, it basically says no negotiations.
What it says is it calls for Ukraine to move towards what they call an enhanced program for entering NATO, which kills negotiations.
Increased sending of, this is before the invasion notice.
Increase.
So what he's letting you know is all the things the United States did to make sure this happened.
This war happened.
Meaning they wanted to get Ukraine into NATO, which they know that would trigger an invasion.
They also said no negotiations.
They've already said this before the invasion.
An increase in the dispatch of advanced weapons to Ukraine or military training, joint military exercises, weapons placed on the border.
It's can't be sure, but it's possible that these strong statements may have been a factor in leading Putin and his circle to move from warning to direct invention invasion.
We don't know.
But as long as that policy is guiding the United States, it's basically saying, Code Ambassador Jeff Freeman, it's saying, let's fight to the last Ukrainian.
Basically what it amounts to.
So the questions you raised are important and interesting.
Just what is the appropriate kind of military aid to give Ukrainians defending themselves enough to defend themselves, but not to lead to an escalation that will just simply lead to massive destruction.
And what kind of sanctions or other actions could be effective in deterring the aggressors?
Those are all important.
But they pale into insignificance in comparison with the primary need to move towards a negotiated settlement, which is the only alternative to destruction of Ukraine, which, of course, Russia is capable of carrying out.
That's it.
There's either peace or Ukraine gets destroyed, Rachel.
And Rachel Maddow doesn't care.
Because Rachel Maddow, I don't know if you've noticed, is a full-blown psychopath.
Again, I'm not using that.
She is a full-blown psychopath who's lost all connection to reality.
Or maybe she is in touch with reality and she just knows she's a full-blown psychopathic liar because that's what she is.
Chomsky just so she doesn't tell she pretends that like history started in February 2022.
She gives you no context, and she knows the context.
I'm going to make a bet that the only reason that she's on that guy's show is that she knows she can be an absolute unrepentant.
That's right.
He's not going to challenge her whatsoever.
No.
No.
The general nature of it has been pretty clear on all sides for quite some time.
In fact, if the U.S. had been willing to consider them, there might not have been an invasion at all.
So the United States, he says again, could have prevented this war, but of course they did the opposite to make sure this war happened.
The general nature of it has been pretty clear on all sides for quite some time.
In fact, if the U.S. had been willing to consider them, there might not have been an invasion at all.
Before the invasion, the U.S. basically had two choices.
One was to pursue its official stance, which I just reviewed, which makes negotiations impossible and may have led to war.
The other possibility was to pursue the options that were available.
To an extent, they're still somewhat available, attenuated by the war.
But the basic terms are pretty clear.
Sergei Lovrov, Russian foreign minister, announced at the beginning of the invasion that Russia had two main goals, two main goals, neutralization of Ukraine and demilitarization.
Demilitarization doesn't mean getting rid of all your arms.
It means getting rid of heavy weapons connected to the interaction with NATO, named at Russia.
What his terms meant basically were turn Ukraine into something like Mexico.
So Mexico is a sovereign state and choose its own way in the world.
No limitations.
But it can't join a Chinese-run military alliance and placing advanced weapons, Chinese weapons on the U.S. border, carrying out the military, joint military operation.
So what he's saying is that the United States could have prevented this war in the first place, but they didn't because they wanted the war.
And secondly, what the Russians have proposed, we could have did, which was turn Ukraine into the equivalent of what Mexico is on our border, a neutral state.
That's not in a military.
Mexico is not in a military alliance with China.
They don't have Chinese military bases in Mexico like we have surrounding China and Russia.
And we wouldn't put up with that.
That's what he's saying.
And Russia is saying, hey, we're not putting up with Ukraine, which is on our border like Mexico is on yours.
We're not putting up with them being in a military alliance with you.
And that's that.
And just like we wouldn't put up with it if there were Chinese military bases in Mexico.
We wouldn't.
We almost had a world war over missiles going to Cuba when Kennedy was president.
So this is all known.
Rachel Maddow isn't telling you any of this stuff because she's a psychopathic liar, criminal who doesn't care about the Ukrainian people being slaughtered at all.
Doesn't care at all.
Just to the extent that we can care.
And here, I'll show you one more thing.
Now, this is from 2015.
This is considered the leading scholar in international politics.
Let's hear a parabola.
I actually think that what's going on here is that the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path.
And the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.
And I believe that the policy that I'm advocating, which is neutralizing Ukraine and then building it up economically and getting it out of the competition between Russia on one side and NATO on the other side, is the best thing that could happen to the Ukrainians.
What we're doing is encouraging the Ukrainians to play tough with the Russians.
We're encouraging the Ukrainians to think that they will ultimately become part of the West because we will ultimately defeat Putin and we will ultimately get our way.
Time is on our side.
And of course, the Ukrainians are playing along with this.
And the Ukrainians are almost completely unwilling to compromise with the Russians and instead want to pursue a hardline policy.
As I said to you before, if they do that, the end result is that their country is going to be wrecked.
And what we're doing is, in effect, encouraging that outcome.
I think it would make much more sense for us to neutral, to work to create a neutral Ukraine.
It would be in our interest to bury this crisis as quickly as possible.
It certainly would be in Russia's interest to do so.
And most importantly, it would be in Ukraine's interest to put an end to the crisis.
Thank you.
Condemnations of Putin without acknowledging that the conflict started in 2014 are meaningless.
United States backed the Maidan coup in 2014 and fueled the ensuing Donbass War, where 14,000 plus have died with U.S. weapons.
Russia's invasion is a new phase, illegal, but not out of the blue.
But she pretends it is.
Even in the LA Times, I say Russia's got a point.
The United States broke a promise to NATO.
What promise was that, Rachel?
Beginning in the mid-90s, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic, the Baltic states, and others were granted NATO membership, blatantly violating the non-expansion arrangement that the United States had with Russia.
And while Russia leaders objected to these moves, it wasn't until talk turned to bringing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO that Russia began to act in response and to shore up its influence over these strategically critical neighbor states.
Again, imagine if the roles were reversed, if Russia had helped overthrow the Mexican government and installed a Russian puppet while arming neo-Nazi paramilitaries who threatened war with the United States.
Would the United States moving troops closer to the Mexican border be considered an aggressive or provocative act?
And let's not forget that in addition to annexing Crimea, Putin also invaded and overthrew the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and is still waging a dirty war in Syria while illegally occupying a third of that country.
Oh, wait, that's the United States doing that stuff.
So I could go on and go on and go on.
I'll stop it there.
But I just want you to know, if you talk to people and they don't believe you when you tell them what's happening in Ukraine, you can point to people, psychopaths like Rachel Maddow on that show.
And that guy giggling like an idiot instead of pushing back.
And of course, he doesn't have the, he doesn't have, he doesn't have the courage to defend what he said anywhere ever.
And neither does she.
Codependent Americans?
I think it's called codependent Americans.
So what they're doing is evil.
Again, I'm choosing my words carefully.
What Rachel Maddow did on that show was evil.
What that show just did is evil because tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people are going to be murdered because of propaganda, slaughtered because of propaganda by that, like that.
And this is an economic war.
This is another U.S. war of imperialism.
This is so we can sell liquefied natural gas to Europe.
This is so we could sever Germany and Russia coming together as an economic power.
That's exactly why we blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.
That's what this is all about, economics.
And Rachel wants you to think it's a morality play.
Why?
Because she is a psychopathic, war-mongering, fucking evil maniac.
And that is fact.
Beep.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, it's Vince Vaughn, baby.
How are you?
Are you ready?
Ready for what, Vince?
Vince Vaughn's Title Town Show Pinions, Indian.
Yes.
Yes.
Just like that, we just jump right in.
I don't have time for idle chit chat, and neither do you.
We have lives to lead here.
So let's jump in.
Jimmy, did you see the Grammys?
Absolutely not.
Excellent.
Neither did I. Let's talk about it.
Okay.
So it seems the main takeaway from the Grammys is that Sam Smith did some raunchy dance dress as the devil to a song about banging a married man on the down low.
Since I want absolutely no part of that sentence and never will, let's talk about the other main takeaway from the Grammys: Madonna's face.
Oh, did you see it, Jimmy?
Did you see Madonna's face?
Uh, I did see it.
Okay, okay.
Well, some super smart internet sleuths have taken the image of Madonna's face and using computers and super science have determined that this broad may have had a little work done.
Okay, right.
And by that, I mean, holy shit.
This lady busted into the plastic surgeon's office and said, Boys, give me the unrecognizer.
If Madonna were to come out on stage at the Grammys and play one of her old standards, it should have been who's that girl, because no one knew who the fuck she was.
Or borderline as in personality disorder.
Fins, don't you think you're being a little harsh?
What?
Don't blame me.
I didn't cut her up.
I'm a big fan of the aging actually, but boy, oh boy, you can't say that anymore.
At least not out in la-la land.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, now all these women are coming to Madonna's defense saying not to comment on her obvious plastic surgery.
That would be like me walking into a room with an eight-foot-tall top hat on my head and expecting everyone to not only say nothing, but be very reverential of my presence.
Give me a fucking break.
Okay.
And now Madonna herself has said that this was a weird camera angle, and she's now a victim of ageism and misogyny because of these online comments.
Look, personally, I just want women to not do that to themselves, to not feel like they have to do that to the beautiful faces.
Does that make me the bad guy?
Am I the bad guy here?
Not sure.
Do you not like this?
Are you on her?
Okay.
You can cut this part out.
We're the whole other part.
Thank you, Jimmy Dore.
I appreciate that.
Madonna's great.
Moving on.
Okay.
And this is by far my favorite Title Town nugget of all time.
Are you ready?
Yes.
Okay, Netflix movie called You People starring Eddie Murphy.
Have you seen it?
No.
Perfect.
Me neither.
Let's talk about it.
Okay, so Eddie Murphy has a smoking hot black daughter who gets engaged to fucking Jonah Hill.
Really?
Yeah, and Jonah's lost some weight.
I'll give him credit, but he's still a not-good-looking Jewish butterball.
Anyway, the movie is about white and black families coming together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like the actress said in an interview that she had trouble figuring out why these two were even dating in the first place, these characters.
It hit.
Okay.
So when it came time to film the climactic makeup kiss between them, sources on the set say that they moved in for the kiss and then froze, and they made the kiss happen in post.
It's the world's first CGI on-screen kiss.
No, are you serious?
Yes.
So technology and the Me Too movement have combined so that actresses can now say there is no way I'm actually kissing that ugly motherfucker.
They had the industrial light and magic in here to do it.
Wow.
And what does that say about Jonah Hill, baby?
I know you're trying to be a leading man, Jonah.
Like a rom-com guy, this is a bad sign.
A real bad one.
When your leading lady won't kiss you.
Yeah.
I know he saw Seth Rogan was like, I could do that too.
But no, Jonah Hill, you cannot do that.
Jethro is cherub-like and trustworthy.
There's a charming version of ugly that can actually pull.
You don't have it, Joni.
I think you're right.
Take it for me, these actresses are horny and want to kiss the leading men.
Usually, some of these cows were on me before they yelled action.
I swear to God, Jimmy Dore.
Rachel McAdams jumped the gun so much they had to throw ice water on her.
Switherspoon got handsy.
Really?
The director yelled, okay, cut.
Reese grabbing his crotch is not the vibe we're going here for on four Christmases.
Right.
And then this chub stack can't even get a smooch from his leading lady.
She said, no way.
They had to fucking Jurassic Park to mouth touching.
Amazing.
Just the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Well, that's it.
Really?
Just two things?
Yep, that's my promise to you.
I keep it short and sweet.
And I only talk about gossip I've heard about shit that I have not even seen and nor ever will.
That's the Vince Vaughan Tinsel Town Show opinions promised.
You take care, Jimmy Dore.
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