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Dec. 16, 2022 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, it's President Joe Biden calling you on the telephone.
Glad I got you on the horn.
Same here, Mr. President.
What's on your mind today?
What's on my mind?
I'll tell you what's on my mind.
A particular number.
What would that number be?
I'll tell you what number, Sesame Street.
45.5%.
Is that your approval rating, I assume?
According to a USA Today poll, yes.
I feel like I'm walking on the moon.
You know, that's still less than half the population, Mr. President.
Yeah, but at least it's in the range of a president who just isn't doing that well.
Before it was so low, it made me look like a total jagoff.
I mean, I acted like it didn't bother me, but of course it did, man.
I see.
And this uptake makes sense, Jimmy.
We've had a string of successes lately.
Brittany Griner has been freed from a Russian prison, shooting hoops back home in Texas.
Our national nightmare is over.
Jesus.
Hopefully, this will make the WNBA so popular that they won't have to play exhibition games in Russia anymore.
Okay.
Plus, inflation is being curbed.
Gas prices are falling to normal levels again.
This loosening of the squeeze is coming at a crucial time.
And Jimmy, I just had the honor of signing the Respect for Marriage Act.
It's such a beautiful ceremony in the Rose Garden.
Cindy Lauper got up there and just sang a little heart out.
That sounds nice.
She wasn't invited, wasn't scheduled to perform.
But that didn't stop that plucky broad from grabbing the mic and going to town.
I think she's still in custody.
I should probably check on that.
And Jimmy, it was so progressive.
We had a drag queen there.
A drag queen who does those kids' shows.
This person is a this person's in a gay marriage, I assume.
No, just an activist.
And we could have gone with any activist, but we chose one who's one of these drag queen for kids type people.
That's how much a finger is on the pulse.
Red meat for the base, baby.
Did they perform as well?
Well, considering one of their songs is called Show Me Your Dick, which you can find on YouTube.
We decided no.
I mean, we're progressive, but we're not dead for Crutch.
I see.
And that was my goal.
Not everyone agreed.
Kamala Harris got so drunk and high on whatever she does, she started yelling, Show me your dick at the Cockdale portion.
So we had to, you know, we had to get her out of there like we do sometimes.
But, you know, whatever.
Onward and upward.
What's next on the Biden success docket?
Africa.
I see.
You're going to go to Africa.
No, man.
Jimmy, I'm pleased to be able to say we're hosting the second U.S. Africa Leaders Summit.
The second annual?
No, second one since 2014.
Okay.
And I'm going to be honest with you, the U.S. hasn't done shit for Africa since.
Kept none of the promises.
So that will be an action item for the second summit.
An autopsy of the failure of the first.
Sounds productive.
Not only that, Jack.
We have some tangible shit to offer the Africans this time.
First of all, get this: $55 billion in aid to Africa over three years.
Well, you're giving an entire continent less foreign aid than you've given the nation of Ukraine.
Well, yeah, but I don't think there's much armed conflict in Africa these days.
But not only that, we are appointing a special representative for U.S. Africa Leaders Summit Implementation.
That's right.
You heard me.
And if you act now, you will also get a free U.S. promise to get the African Union a permanent seat in the G20 offer voyage in 30 days.
Wow.
That should really reset U.S.-Africa relations.
It fucking better because Russia and China are beating our ass over there.
China's building them an entire infrastructure, and Russia's selling them cheap weaponry.
We have to reestablish ourselves as Africa's friend, but not make it seem like we are using them as international pawns.
It's a delicate line, but I think we can walk it.
At the summit, maybe you could have that drag queen sing show me your dick.
Well, I'm not sure the gentleman from Uganda would care for that very much.
You kind of got to read the room with these things, if you know what I mean.
I hear you, Mr. President.
Well, good luck.
Thanks, Jimmy.
I gotta go.
We have to sit down and figure out an awkward moment for this summit.
You know, like I learned to say a phrase in an African language that none of the attendees even speak.
Or have a children's choir sing Africa by Toto wearing little hats.
Ooh, I like that one.
That'd be Cringe City.
All right, bye now.
Yeah.
Establishment media sets of artists fighting.
So good luck with bullshit they can't afford momentum.
Watch and see as a jack dog.
Comedium speeds and jumps comedium and hits them hit on.
It's the chimtor show.
We've got a great guest with us right now.
I'm very excited to talk to Jennifer Say.
She's an American author, filmmaker, business executive, retired artistic gymnast.
She was the 1986 USA Gymnast National Champion and a seven-time member of the U.S. women's national team.
She produced the 2020 Emmy Award-winning documentary film Athlete A, which connected the crimes of Larry Nasser to systemic abuses in the Olympic movement.
She was also the chief marketing officer and brand president at Levi Strauss until her very vocal opposition to the extended closure of San Francisco's public schools during the COVID pandemic.
She wrote about the experience in this book, her recent memoir called Levi's Unbutton.
Please welcome to the show, Jennifer Say.
Thanks For coming on, thanks for having me, Jimmy.
So I just want to read a little bit.
This is the description at Amazon of the book.
So I just want to read a little bit of it.
So you describe yourself formally as left of center progressive.
But everything changed when you publicly opposed the closure of San Francisco's public schools at the height of the pandemic.
In response to her wrong think, management gave her a choice, shut up or leave.
She decided that defending at-risk children was more important than the job that she loved.
And so she resigned.
After more than two decades at the company, she gave up her professional future in order to retain her voice.
So that's quite it.
So let's start.
I just want to give people the backup.
So you will talk.
I want to talk about your gymnastics stuff because that really lays the foundation because you've been a fighter your whole life.
You've been willing to take on the status quo and have people turn on you.
And this is just another example of that.
So you went to work at Levi's in 1999 and you shot up the ranks very quickly, correct?
It was a slow and steady climb, but I mean, I was there 23 years all in.
So I started entry level and ended as the brand president.
Yes.
And you were next in line to be CEO.
That's right.
And so you were, so let's get, so in 20 March 2020, you were already speaking out against school closures.
So I just want to tell people, just to give them to let them know, we've already covered this on the show.
For children without a serious medical condition, the danger of severe COVID is so low as to be difficult to quantify.
The risk of lung COVID among children, a source of fear among many parents, is also very low.
That was in the New York Times, and that was in 2021 that was in there.
They also said this in New York Intelligence magazine.
It said, according to the CDC, among children, the mortality risk from COVID-19 is actually lower than from the flu.
So, and now that was when we had the Delta virus, which was more virulent than the Omicron.
The Omicron is less virulent and more contagious.
And so, I just want to show this.
This is from July 2020.
So, get this.
The doctors, so NBC News, which is owned by Big Pharma, you know that they did a segment and then they asked all the doctors, pediatricians, if they would send their kids back to school in the fall.
This is in 2020.
Listen to what they say and watch the chagrin of the host.
Watch this.
Would you let your kids go back to school?
I will.
My kids are looking forward to it.
Yes.
Period.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
As much as I can.
Without a hesitation.
Without a hesitation.
Yes.
I have no concerns about sending my child to school in the fall.
I would let my kids go back to school.
Dr. John Torres, NBC News.
What happened after that?
Yes.
Well, they all said yes.
Huh.
They all said yes.
So why?
So you in March of 2020, you were on board and they all knew it.
So what do you think happened?
Why do you think nobody followed what the doctors were saying?
Why did we have lockdowns?
Well, you forget what happened right after this.
These pediatricians saying they'd send their kids back is Trump said schools need to open.
And then the American Academy of Pediatrics reversed their recommendation in the summer of 2020.
But let me add one thing, if I might.
As early as March, there actually, it was already known that the median age of death was over 80, I think, coming out of Italy.
There were already articles being written sporadically.
I found them that kids were at very, very little risk and that long-term school closures were never part of any pre-pandemic playbook because they're too harmful.
They're too harmful to the most vulnerable among us.
And in this case, with COVID, where children were actually not at equal risk, it was especially egregious.
So I was outspoken from the get-go.
And San Francisco, I think, was the very first school district to announce school closures on March 13th, 2020.
And so you were right, by the way.
So just spoiler alert, she was correct on the science because now everybody who was forced locking down the schools is now trying to pretend that they were never for locking down the schools.
And who am I talking about?
I'm talking about Dr. Fauci.
Here he is bragging or not, he's going to tell us that he recommended we shut down not just schools, but the whole country.
Listen to this.
I recommended to the president that we shut the country down.
And that was a very difficult decision because I knew it would have serious economic consequences.
And so here he is now trying to deny it.
Down schools, if you had to do it all over again.
Well, you know, again, it's first of all, I didn't recommend locking anything down.
So Dr. Fauci is an unbridled pathological liar.
Every time he opens his mouth, he's lying.
We've documented he's lied about masks.
He lied about the origin of the virus.
He lied about funding the virus.
He lied to Congress about that twice, which is a felony.
He lied about herd immunity.
He lied about natural immunity.
He's lied about everything at every step.
He's a criminal liar and should be in prison.
And you were right about this.
You were right about it.
So when they started closing down, so I just want to show you were right about it.
Now everybody's coming around to pretend they were on your side.
Unfortunately, you lost your job over this.
So just walk us through.
In March, you started speaking out against school closures, right?
And San Francisco.
I did.
Yeah, I did.
I'm in San Francisco and then, you know, eventually more broadly, nationally.
In San Francisco, 50,000 public school children were shut out of school.
The private schools closed at first as well, but of course they opened not too long thereafter.
And that was fine.
And I was alarmed from the beginning.
The data was there from the beginning.
And so I was vocal on social media.
Eventually, I had no one followed me.
I didn't think anybody would notice.
But eventually, you know, those of us who opposed the lockdowns and the school closures, we all found each other and I developed a little bit of a following.
Eventually, I wrote op-eds.
I led rallies in San Francisco.
I ended up on the local news.
I became especially incensed when the private schools opened in September of 2020 in my city of San Francisco while public schools remained stubbornly closed with no sign of opening anytime soon.
And of course, at this point, my peers at the company, other executives, as well as my boss are telling me you have to stop talking about this.
You really need to think about it.
When you speak, you speak on behalf of the company.
I said, I don't.
I'm a mom or four.
I'm speaking on behalf of myself as a citizen of San Francisco.
I was urged repeatedly.
I would ask, do I have to stop?
They had acknowledged they couldn't tell me I had to stop, but it got more and more heated.
And I just, you know, when they sent their kids back to school, because they all sent their kids to private school, I was the only one with kids in public.
Go ahead.
So you're telling, so wait a minute.
So your kids are in public school and you start Advocating for them to open the public schools.
Meanwhile, all the executives that you work with at Levi, all their kids go to private school and their private schools are open.
Yeah, and they're not too scared to send their kids to school.
They clearly think in-person learning is better and that it matters and they're sending their kids.
And at the same time, behind the scenes, they're telling me you have to stop.
This is controversial.
And I would say, based on my history in gymnastics, and we can get to that next, this is an extension of my advocacy on behalf of children.
I don't have my title in my bio on social media.
When I'm on the news, it always just says mom of four.
You know, I was very, very careful not to identify myself.
During this time, when I was getting all this pushback from my peers, I got promoted to brand president.
So that's evidence of the fact that I was actually doing a good job, right?
You don't promote someone from chief marketing officer to brand president and say, you know, you could be the CEO one day if they're not doing a good job.
Our business was great coming out of lockdown when our stores had been closed.
All that's fine.
Then in the spring of 2021, I made the fatal mistake of going on Fox News when invited.
And that you got invited onto the Laura Ingram show to tell your story about you standing up against the COVID policy of locking down schools.
So you go on.
By the way, that's not allowed.
Right.
Well, I know.
So you, now you would have.
So let me just put it this way.
Because the same thing happens to me.
I get invited to go talk about my issues on Tucker Carlson's show.
And the reason why I do that is because I'm not invited to go anywhere else on anyone else's show.
I'll go anywhere and send my message of anti-war and peace.
I'll do that anywhere.
Tucker Carlson's the only one who invites me on because he's the only one willing to go against the establishment narrative on Ukraine and Syria and other places like that.
Now, you went on Laura Ingram because you weren't being invited on anybody else's show, right?
That's right.
And we tried.
I mean, we, I, at this point, had developed a network of moms across the country.
We called ourselves open schools moms.
We tried.
We'd approach the New York Times.
We approached CNN.
Nobody would have us.
All they had, they never had a mom.
It was just sort of one incendiary statement after the next about how if schools opened, all the teachers would die.
And they would put forth these metrics that were impossible to meet.
You know, the CDC guidelines, as influenced by the teachers union, were so impossible to meet, it made it clear that the schools would never open.
They wouldn't invite us to talk about the harms being done.
And Laura Ingram, look, I never watched the show.
You know, I knew the reputation.
I consulted my open schools network.
They said it's going to be incendiary, but you should do it.
It's a platform.
A lot of people watch the show.
And to her credit, she was, I believe, the first national news personality, I think as early as late April, to say this is wrong.
The lockdowns are doing more harm than good.
The school closures are.
So I went on the show.
I said, nothing I regret.
I would do it again.
And I would say it to her.
But that unleashed the beast, as you might imagine.
Employees began to complain incessantly.
The social media bom came after me.
And it just became more and more heated.
Now, I should say, I survived almost another year at the company, even after that, because I was still doing a good job.
But the employees were very angry.
I shouldn't even say the employees, a tiny, tiny percentage, a very woke, very angry.
You know, I get to say what I want and she is evil.
She's a conspiracy theorist.
She's a racist.
She hates masks.
She's anti-vax.
And so what?
So would you ever have a conversation with any other of the executives at Levi when and you would say to them, but your kids are going to school?
How could you?
Oh, yeah.
And what would they say back to you?
You just can't.
It's too, I mean, even one, the head of HR said to me, Jen, you're right, but you just can't say these things.
What?
I mean, so what is that?
So it's like cult-like behavior, right?
That's like.
Yes.
As you discussed in an earlier segment, it's cult-like behavior.
These are the tenets and the beliefs of the cult.
If you violate them, you're a heretic.
We can do what we want off to the side, and that's fine, but you have to uphold these penetrates of the cult.
Otherwise, you're an apostate and you need to be banished.
And by the way, if you advocate for this one thing, it means you're all these other things.
You are an alt-right QAnon conspiracy theorist.
I mean, I was asked point blank, are you a conspiracy theorist?
As if anybody says yes to that.
I don't even think conspiracy theorists say yes to that.
My answer, if I had thought of it, it would be, yeah, you're conspiring against me.
So I do actually believe in conspiracies at this point.
I was, I was, you know, I had to do an apology tour.
No, no, wait.
No, no, who, who, first of all, who asked you if you were a conspiracy theorist?
First of all, you voted for Elizabeth Warren, right?
In the primary primary.
Democratic primary.
You're Elizabeth Warren voter.
So, but again, immediately, if you go against the status quo or the narrative or the establishment narrative on COVID, you are immediately a bad person.
It's like a world of good people and bad people.
I played a video of Fauci yesterday.
He was saying, we're good people all the way.
Like, I don't know where this came from.
Everybody in government is always supposed to be suspect.
There's no good people, bad people.
That's why we have a transparent, you're supposed to have transparency.
So you don't have to rely on if someone's a good person or a bad person.
Go ahead.
Well, here's, yeah.
So at one point, the sort of cacophony of complaints got to be enough that I was asked to do this apology tour where I would have to stand up in front of a certain subset of employees and apologize.
I agreed to it, and I didn't apologize.
I figured, I'll explain myself.
I thought of myself as convincing enough that perhaps I could build, I could build bridges.
But I received an email from a colleague in corporate communications framing up what I should be prepared to do in this apology tour.
It started with, are you a good person or a bad person?
Are you with us or against us?
What in the, what does that even mean?
As all their kids are going to school, you're advocating for science.
And now all of a sudden you're a bad person or a good person.
We can't discuss your ideas.
Where does that come from?
Well, I'm also advocating for the values I thought that we all had agreed to.
I mean, San Francisco public schools are 60% low-income children.
They're disproportionately black and brown children.
Here in the summer of 2020, we did all this, you know, arm waving about equality of opportunity and fighting racism.
And yet the one thing we could have actually done to help minority students in San Francisco and provide them with equality of opportunity is to advocate for schools to open because the rich white children were in private schools and the other kids were not.
But that was not the narrative, as you well know.
The narrative of the Democratic Party was you've got to lock down until I don't know when, no more COVID.
You've got, I mean, the rule kept changing as to when that would be over and you've got to support closed schools or else you want teachers to die and you want black children to die.
That was the narrative.
If you challenged it, you were all right conspiracy theorists.
I don't know.
Let me just read from that sub stack you did with Barry Weiss, just very briefly, just to let people know exactly the environment you were kind of operating under, why you had to go on an apology tour.
The comments from Levi's employees picked up about me being anti-science, about me being anti-fat, because I'd retweeted a study showing a correlation between obesity and poor health outcomes.
77% of the people who were hospitalized with COVID were overweight or obese.
And that's a fact.
So science now is racist or anti-fat about me being anti-trans.
They said you were anti-trans because you tweeted that we shouldn't ditch Mother's Day in favor of birthing People's Day because it left out adoptive and stepmoms.
And about me being racist because San Francisco's public school system was filled with black and brown kids.
And apparently, I didn't care if they died.
The head of the HR department told me personally that even though I was right about the schools, that it was classist and racist that public schools stayed shut while private schools were open.
And that I was probably right about everything else.
I still shouldn't say so.
I kept thinking, why shouldn't I?
Okay, so I just want to let people know that.
So then you were then asked after you went on Laura Ingram, you were then asked to go on an apology tour because a vocal minority of people at your company were calling you anti-fat, anti-trans, anti-science.
And so they wanted to.
I was also, you'll appreciate this.
I was also told I would need to answer questions about my husband.
My husband was very vocal and has a more aggressive tone than I do.
I have sort of a well-trained diplomatic voice of a woman in corporate America.
He doesn't.
He expressed a lot of criticism of the mandates at first, vaccine mandates, and then of the vaccines themselves.
He's been kicked off on Twitter of Twitter.
He's still banished.
He's still not been let back on by Elon, even with the Twitter files.
11,000 people were kicked off.
He's one of them for COVID misinformation.
So I was told I would also need to answer questions about him and his stances.
And is he an anti-vaxxer?
My answer to that was: what does that have to do with anything?
He doesn't work here.
Wow.
Okay.
And so that you have to disavow people, you know, in this sort of cult-like situation.
You have to, it's like Scientology and disconnection, right?
You have to sever ties with people that don't believe, that are not true believers.
And so I was expected to sort of disavow him, essentially.
I couldn't disagree with him.
That wasn't sufficient.
I couldn't agree.
None of it mattered.
He didn't work there.
None of it matters.
It didn't work there.
So did you do pub?
Did you do the public apology tour?
I did not apologize.
How did that go?
I did the thing.
I mean, I spoke and I explained myself and I took questions because I thought you thought you would be, you know, you're a good communicator and you could explain to people that you're just following science and this is actually out of concern for kids.
And since all their kids are going to rich persons' school, you should.
And then what happened?
Well, that was June of 21.
And it actually went pretty well.
I heaved a sigh of relief.
You know, there were only two questions.
I got some nice notes after saying this totally made sense.
I don't have children.
I hadn't thought of it that way.
It went well, but it was a very brief respite from the continuing onslaught.
And so when, so what happened?
So when did the goodwill generated dissipated quickly?
Small minority of employees continued to complain.
My peer, the head of corporate communication, delivered a dossier of my tweets and social media posts to the CEO, my boss on a weekly basis.
Wow.
So, you know, at this point, they were kind of gunning for me.
And then, you know, by the fall of 21, I had more followers, so a little more high profile.
And I got some heftier trolls, you know, and that made them nervous.
They kept saying it was this reputational risk.
And yet our stock price had doubled since I took over as brand president.
Our business was great.
There was no reputational risk.
Nothing was happening.
Then I was told I was still a candidate for CEO if I would stop tweeting.
I said I wasn't going to stop tweeting and writing op-eds and all the other stuff.
Yeah, that's him.
I think they held it out at this point to get me to stop.
I think by this point, there was probably no intention, but he told me we need to do a background check on you and your husband.
I agreed because I had no real choice.
And I think to be CEO, that's probably pretty standard.
Probably not for your spouse, but for you.
So I agreed.
And three months late, I told him what would happen.
There's no financial indiscretions, no crimes.
You know, I'm totally above board, but you're going to find the social media to be a gray area and you're not going to want to continue.
You're going to, you're going to tell me I have to go, which is exactly what happened in January 2022.
I was told there's no longer a place for you.
We'll offer you severance, a million dollars to walk away quietly.
I did not want to sign a non-disclosure agreement, so I quit instead.
And I resigned on February 13th.
And the piece in Ferry Weiss's Common Sense Now, the free press, appeared on February 14th.
And the next day, you'll find this interesting.
Three members of the San Francisco Board of Education were recalled by 75% of the voters in San Francisco because they refused to open the schools.
So a majority agreed with me, but failed to speak up.
So I looked like the lunatic fringe right insane person.
And so, yeah, I had that happen to me too.
I was advocating for schools to open and while the Chicago schools union was not.
And so then I was then on social media.
The big pharma trolls came at me and I was called anti-union because I got that one too.
Because I was advocating for children to go back to school, which was the science.
And they didn't know the science, just like nobody knows what the real science is on masks.
Nobody knows what any of the science is on lockdowns.
Nobody knows what's actually happening with the thing.
And so, and I'm not allowed to say what's actually happening with the thing unless I go on Rumble.
So keep, so now, so what, what happened after that?
So you write the Barry Weiss on her sub stack.
Anything, is there any, is there more to this story?
I mean, there's not a ton.
I would say, you know, there was a lot of press right after the piece went kind of viral that week.
And I would say the press was fairly, it was fair.
You know, I wasn't painted as some demon.
They had nothing to say.
They were stunned that I would do such a thing.
They couldn't imagine a world in which somebody would pass up money.
You know, that's beyond their kind of ability to even fathom.
So, you know, I'd broken some sort of code, like we stay quiet on this stuff and we take the money and we walk away.
And that's not what I wanted to do because I wanted to continue to advocate.
And the thing beyond the kids that I had been pushing for and fighting for for two years was to be able to express An opinion and have a conversation because the fact is, if we had had a societal-wide debate about this that was honest, that didn't silence doctors who had opposing opinions, the schools would have opened sooner.
That's not what happened.
And so, I felt it was too important.
The liberalism and silencing and censorship, I wasn't going to take money.
That felt too hypocritical just to stay silent.
So, I didn't do that.
That's what happened.
And now, on a daily basis, I get from people, I don't understand it.
Schools opening, that's not even controversial.
Well, I'll tell you, try to remember back through what a difference three years makes.
People have amnesia around COVID like nothing else.
Like right now, people are running around going, They never said it stopped transmission.
They never said it.
I mean, they're running around saying that.
Like, I mean, with a straight face, so it just shows it's in writing, it's everywhere.
I have the videotape of them saying it, I have Fauci saying it, I have the head of the CDC saying it.
I have them all saying it.
I have Rachel Manau saying it for five minutes straight.
Anyway, how do they get away with it?
So, Leanna, you know, Lena Wen, right?
So, she was a doctor who was popular.
She writes op-eds of the Washington Post, and she was on CNN all the time as their go-to COVID person.
And she was very much for the lockdown, she was very much for masking.
And then she realized that her kid was having verbal developmental problems because of all the masking.
And so, she then started to like, oh, so it woke her up and she started to think for herself.
And then she wrote this in the Washington Post.
She wrote, As for most Americans, COVID in our family will almost certainly be mild.
And like most Americans, we've made the decision that following precautions strict enough to prevent the highly contagious BA5 will be very challenging.
Masking has harmed our son's language development, and limiting both kids' extracurriculars and social interactions would negatively affect their childhood and hinder my and my husband's ability to work.
So, she's turned around.
She sounds like you now.
And she was one of the most ardent lockdowners and maskers and all that stuff.
She was a good cult member.
And so she broke from the cult.
And as soon as she wrote that, they all attacked her.
They all went after her.
And now she's a heretic.
The same.
Now everybody hates her.
Yeah.
Now everybody hates her, right?
Yeah.
Well, you know, not to give her too much credit because she vociferously advocated that the unvaccinated should not have basic civil rights, like being able to leave their homes, if you recall.
I do recall.
So, you know, she was a fervent cult member.
I'm glad she's seen the light, but because of that, both sides hate her because the people who were anti-lockdown and anti-mandate from the beginning think she's terrible.
And now the pro-lockdown, pro-closure, pro-maskers hate her because she's kind of walking it back a little bit.
So she's got no home.
And so what is this?
What does this make you think now?
You used to, again, your whole life, you advocated you're a lefty.
You voted for Elizabeth Warren.
You believed in free speech.
You believed.
And then, well, now everything's kind of turned on its head, right?
Now, the Democratic Party is against free speech and they're for big farm.
And so what has this done to you and your idea about politics?
Well, I don't trust anyone.
I don't, I think it's all a lie.
They never believed any of the things they said.
I feel maybe I was duped.
Maybe I didn't see it.
Maybe they changed.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter what happened in the past, but I'm certainly not a Democrat anymore, but I'm not running to the other side either.
But I am disgusted with the Democrats more so at the moment because I had, I mean, I feel like at the end of the day, I don't actually think I've changed.
You know, I always cared about free speech.
I cared about public education.
I cared about opportunity for kids who were vulnerable.
I cared.
I still care about that.
I didn't change.
You just revealed yourselves to be hypocrites and liars.
That's it.
Everyone thinks, oh, you were red-billed.
You were there.
No, I'm exactly the same.
Yes.
Well, I will, that's exactly what I've said.
It's like, I've stayed the same.
I'm anti-establishment.
I've said the same thing.
I've been critical of the Democrats' corporatization.
I didn't change, but because of Trump, I wasn't supposed to criticize the Democratic Party anymore.
And that if I did, that meant I was enabling fascists.
I don't know if you saw Joe Biden and the Democrats, which control all of federal government right now, just ended the railroad workers' ability to organize and strike.
So when a government comes together with a corporation to screw the workers, that is fascism.
So this idea that voting for Joe Biden and the Democrats was somehow fighting fascism, you're a chump if you think that.
Democracy was not on the ballot.
Your democracy was stolen decades ago by corporate America.
Go ahead.
No, I mean, you know, as we've seen, the social media censorship, like Elon Hayden, it doesn't matter.
Social media, private companies worked hand in hand with the government to censor, deplatform, blacklist, I don't care what you call it, to censor everyday Americans who challenged all of these insane, harmful mandates.
If you wanted to do an anti-lockdown or anti-mandate protest in 2020 and you posted a notification for that protest, it was removed by every social media platform.
So that's fascism.
That is social, private social media companies carrying water for the Democratic Party.
They're working in lockstep, whether they were doing so under direct guidance or direct insistence from the government or just doing it as lackeys.
I don't know what another word is.
It's the same thing.
They're so integrated.
And by the way, the press didn't hold anyone accountable.
They did the same thing.
The press did not operate as the fourth estate or whatever estate it's supposed to be.
They published government-issued talking points as if they were news.
They didn't interrogate the data.
How I am a normal, regular person with basic math skills, and I could interpret the data and understand it.
Why couldn't the science reporters from the New York Times?
So I asked this question the other day.
It was in the data.
Always.
It was in the data that Pfizer submitted that they never even tested for transmission.
They never even tested it.
So why didn't, and I asked, why wasn't there some science writers or some doctors who do writing?
Didn't they look at the data?
Didn't they know this?
They knew this at the beginning of the vaccine rollout and nobody reported it.
It didn't get reported until a member of the European Parliament questioned an executive by Pfizer and asked directly, did you test to see if it stopped transmission?
And she said, no, of course we didn't.
Of course.
But the press let them get away.
And they now say they never said it stopped it, but we all have it on video.
We know Borla said it.
They all said it.
Walensky said it.
Fauci said it.
You won't get infected and you won't transmit.
It was right there.
All you had to do was read the footnotes.
Why wouldn't a reporter do that?
Because they just read the press release and they didn't challenge any of them.
They never asked any questions.
They didn't interrogate the issues.
I lost my train of thought, but that's the fascism.
So all this, you know, we've all been accused of fascism, right-wing.
I'm like, it's right in front of your eyes.
It's happening.
No one, I was locked in my home.
Playgrounds were closed.
I couldn't leave the house for however many months.
We were policed.
When we were finally let outside outside the house, we were policed because you weren't allowed to be with members outside your household.
Citizens were encouraged to tell on other citizens.
There was a hotline number you could call in San Francisco to, you know, tattletale.
I mean, is this, this is not, this is like China.
This is like, right, this is like East Germany before the fall.
That's what this feels like.
This is what when I grew up, this is what I was told life was like in the Soviet Union.
That's what I was told.
Everybody's suspicious to everybody.
The government wants you to tell on your, even if it's your parents, you're supposed to turn them in.
All that.
That's what I was.
That's what I was, that was the myth I was told about growing up in under communism.
And now we're, it's here.
Right.
Like I was just saying before, since 9-11, they have every telephone call you make.
They have every text you send.
They have every email you send.
They have it.
They're not collecting it.
They are collecting it.
And it's all.
And so now when the news media is funded by big pharma up to 70%, they basically work.
They are just an extension of big pharma.
And so you can't believe anything they say ever.
Look at the unbelievable lies that they've told.
Look what they've, the lies they told about ivermectin, that it was some kind of horse medicine instead of what it actually is, a Nobel Prize winning human medicine that's on the WHO list of essential medicine that's not only been saved millions of lives, it saved billions of lives.
It was considered a wonder drug before COVID.
And the reason why they had to demonize it and made you think it was horse poison was because on the chance it could treat COVID, they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for their vaccines and they would lose $100 billion.
And so that's why, I mean, just the most unscrupulous, unethical behavior by everybody in the media, 100%.
I'm here telling the truth about it.
And YouTube, Google, which is again the establishment.
And I'm sure they own vaccine.
Oh, by the way, Google is in bed with vaccine companies.
And so they don't let you.
So I'm not allowed.
I've been unfairly censored on YouTube, right?
And they won't even give me the data.
I go, well, what did I say?
We can't show you.
What?
You can't show me what I said that was wrong.
No, that's an internal document.
We can't show you.
So that's the kind of garbage that you've gone through.
That's the kind of garbage we've gone through.
And I never thought I would see it in America where we value free speech, where we value questioning authority.
I can't believe that this whole society used to be about do your own thing, question authority.
Apple used to say think different.
And as soon as COVID happened, that all went away and we became a cult and you weren't allowed to step out of line.
Yeah, it's true.
I mean, I think the reason my story resonated so much is Levi's is like the epitome of those American values.
It was about rugged individualism.
I mean, I traveled to Moscow when I was a teenager to compete in the Goodwill Games in 1986.
I brought 20 pairs of 501s to trade.
Like that was valuable currency.
That's what the Russian athletes wanted.
It was 1986.
You know, they meant freedom in all the best ways.
But I think what I find most alarming is everything you say is true.
And somehow it makes you the conspiracy theorist.
But people seem all too willing to trade those values, free speech, the ability to congregate, protest.
They seem willing to trade it for perceived safety.
They're being promised some idea of safety, which is always how the authoritarians take over.
You know, it is always.
They offer safety.
It's too dangerous to have these other things.
That's why you can't have them, but we're going to give you safety in exchange.
But they don't see it.
It's so clear.
Like the board is laid out.
And yet everyone seems most, not everyone, many seem all too willing to accept that exchange.
I'll take safety and I'll take fitting in with the group and I'll take feeling virtuous for upholding these talking points rather than challenge and fight for basic freedoms.
Well, I just want to remind people, this was the former CEO of Levi's and his name is Chipberg.
And he offered you, well, first he said that, you know, if you, he basically intimated that if you don't shut up, you're not going to become CEO.
And if you do shut up, you will become CEO.
And you kept talking.
And then he said, okay, we're going to fire you and we'll give you a million dollars if you shut up about what happened.
And you walked away from a million dollars that he offered you, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
So I just want to get that out there.
So that should give her some bona fides in telling her story.
And of course, you know, people are going to call you a grifter.
I don't know what your grift is here.
You lost everything to tell the truth, just like we did here.
Lost all my friends and everything and almost lost my channel.
But you've been called a grifter, correct?
Constantly.
I mean, this is a really crappy grift.
I got to tell you, I made a lot more money before.
I mean, I am bad at this grifting thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
You know, this is a man who makes over $40 million a year.
That's what a CEO at Levi's makes.
Really?
$40 million?
Well, with stock.
I mean, under the cover of COVID, the company laid off 15% of its workforce, close to 1,000 people.
The business was tough, as you can imagine.
The stores were closed, laid off 15% of the workforce, bolstered the stock price during the same timeframe.
He cashed out $43 million worth of stock.
He said the layoffs were, you want to talk about anti-worker?
He said the layoffs were done with empathy.
It was, you know, all couched in his flowery language, and everybody believed it.
They believed it was woke and it was good and we were taking care of people.
But he took care of himself.
That's who he took care of.
And that's in part, in addition to telling my story, which we've just discussed, I really kind of challenge the woke capitalism, as I call it.
These companies and CEOs, they wrap themselves in this cloak of wokeness.
And it's a lie.
They're all about money, as they always have been.
The pro-worker, socially just thing to do would have been to keep those folks in their jobs, even if it meant less profit and a challenged stock price.
And actually, you know what?
Say the stores need to open because we need to employ people.
There's a lot of people counting on these jobs.
They feed their families from these jobs.
Let's open the stores.
That's not what we did.
We upheld the Democratic Party principles.
You got to shut down the world.
I'll stay home in my fancy place and order Uber Eats and Netflix and tell everybody else to stay home and then get rid of 15% of the workforce.
Now, can you speak?
So it's good to see that you're not afraid to be critical of Levi's.
That's good.
And you're not afraid because you didn't take the million dollars.
So now you can speak freely.
You have your voice.
What did Levi's do in Haiti?
And didn't they squash the booth to get minimum wage for their workers that make the Levi's?
Oh, goodness.
You're going to ask me about something I don't think I know very much about.
I mean, I will say this.
Beyond Haiti, you know, all of Levi's production and supply chain was offshore in the mid to late 90s.
They were really the last American company to sell off American factories and made the USA good or bad, you know, whatever.
But all of it is offshore.
They don't make product in China.
So I'll give them a little credit for that.
They sort of had been exiting China over the years because of the lack of transparency.
What I had often pushed for, and I didn't run supply chain, so not my area.
You know, the idea of a living wage.
That is not what is paid in these countries.
The company has strict what they would call terms of engagement.
The factories are said to be monitored for working conditions.
I think that's not totally clear.
And there's definitely not a living wage being paid.
And what is that?
What do people, so what do people do?
So how do you walk around Levi's making $40 million a year, knowing that the people who are creating that profit for you don't even have a living wage?
What kind of disconnect has to happen in your brain?
That is a great question.
One, I think they start to believe the lie.
You know, they take all these stances and these social justice causes and they want to be viewed as good and liked, like Sam Bankman Freed saying, you know, we do this so people will like us, but they actually start to believe it about themselves.
You know, greed is no longer good.
It's not enough to be super rich.
You've got to also be, you know, put on a pedestal as this great social justice warrior.
But really, somewhere in their brain, they know it's really about the money.
And the way they justify what you just said is, well, we can't attract the best talent if we don't pay them this much.
That's just the rules of the game.
Okay.
That's it.
That's how they do it.
Okay.
Well, listen, Jennifer, we're out of time.
I'd love to have you come back on.
When we have more time, we can talk about it.
It's a fascinating story about you as a gymnast and what gymnasts have to go through.
I have no idea all the pain and especially when you went through it.
It was worse back then in the 80s, right?
All the sexual and everything.
You went through it.
It's just nuts and how you broke your femur and then you, and you, for two years, you competed with a broken ankle, even though your doctor kept saying it's not broken.
And so you had to come.
Anyway, I'd love to have you come back on and just tell that whole story.
That would be fantastic.
Would you?
We'd love to have you.
I love it.
I love it.
I can't believe you made me look at a picture, Chip, for the last 20 minutes.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
All right.
Jennifer Say, former executive at Levi's, and she's a freedom fighter.
She's out there speaking for our freedom of speech and advocating for children and for exchange of ideas is what we're supposed to have in this country.
So thank you for doing that.
You took a lot of shots and you're going to continue to, but I really salute you.
Thanks for doing that.
Thanks, Jimmy.
Thanks for having me.
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So you know that the Pentagon just lost $2 trillion again.
They did it in 2001.
They couldn't find $2 trillion.
And just now, they just couldn't find $2 trillion.
$2 trillion.
Did they check the couch?
I don't think so.
Well, now, guess what?
The Senate negotiators agree to add $45 billion to Biden's defense budget.
Now, $45 billion is enough to end homelessness in America.
They're not going to do it.
I mean, they could send everybody to college.
They could give everybody a living wage.
They're not going to do it.
What are they going to do?
They're going to do this.
Why?
Because America is a failed state.
We are 100% corrupt.
America is not regular corrupt like people think.
America is 100% American.
The United States government is 100% corrupt.
And it's been bought by corporations and mostly people in the military-industrial complex, which is why we can do this while we have people sleeping under every bridge and people going bankrupt when they get sick.
And we don't have air conditioning or we have chipping.
We have in schools.
We don't have enough hospital beds when people get sick.
We don't have enough teachers right now in America.
Right now, we don't have enough teachers.
They're after recruit people from the military to go teach school.
But we could do this all fucking day long.
And you're worried about Russia?
If you're hurting, it's not because of Russia.
It's because you keep voting for people who are criminals like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump.
All those people are your enemy.
They're not going to do anything for you.
Who are they going to do stuff for?
Here it is.
Joe Biden's the biggest fucking criminal we've ever elected president.
That includes Donald Trump.
And this is proof of it right here.
You know, all those awesome movies and that montage from the other segment, they're not even going to make awesome movies like that for you anymore.
No.
You get nothing.
You'll get nothing like it, like Judge Smales said in Caddyshack.
An emerging compromise on annual defense policy legislation will endorse a $45 billion increase to President Joe Biden's defense spending plans.
Again, there's nothing.
How is it we can't?
I remember in the $2,000 measly.
And I heard conservatives, we can't afford to do that.
And then all of a sudden we've $100 billion to send it to Ukraine.
And now we found another $45 billion.
I hope if you're conservative, it's starting to dawn on you that you're getting dragged a little bit.
The deal would set the budget top line of the fiscal 2023 National Defense Authorization Act at $847 billion for national defense and would go as high as $858 billion when including programs that fall outside the jurisdiction of the Senate, House, and Armed Services Committee.
Though the major bill is still in late stages of negotiations, lawmakers are poised to deliver a second straight bipartisan rebuke to the Biden administration's defense spending plans.
The White House sought $802 billion for the national defense spending budget.
They're calling this a rebuke.
When was the last time someone rebuked you by giving you more money than you asked for?
I mean, they're going to have to give them $2 trillion because we're going to lose another $2 trillion.
This is all not enough.
Can I get a kiss?
No, she rebuked him.
But how about a blowjob?
Lawmakers are aiming to have an NDAA ready.
That's a National Defense Authorization Act ready for a vote in the House next week.
From there, it would go to the Senate, if approved, would head to the Biden's for signature.
Negotiators have been tight-lipped on how they resolve the top line, but a compromise was just, how about we all just totally loot the Treasury?
Is that a compromise?
Compromise.
How do you think this will do versus paid sick leave?
They can't give pay.
you know how much paid sick leave for the railroad workers would cost?
$275 or $300 million.
No, we need every penny.
45 billion is given.
Why not give that to...
What better way to address high inflation and throw money away?
How do we keep pace with China?
Well, China will raise defense spending by 7% faster than last year.
You know what they spend?
Defense spending will rise to 1.45 trillion won.
That's $230 billion.
Do you know that's, I don't know, 25% of what we're spending?
They don't even spend a quarter.
What if they get a blue water navy?
The total U.S. defense budget for 2022 comes in at just under $770 billion.
That's what China's spending.
That's what we're spending.
And they're increasing it by $45 billion because we have to keep up with the people spending less.
Well, we have to keep up with all of NATO has to keep up, and we pay for everyone else's stuff that they don't pay for because they get healthcare.
With inflation factored in, it is a good increase, but it's essential because of inflation and also the need to continue significant programs.
Said Armed Services Chair Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island, and a complete fucking tool.
And your enemy.
He said in an interview, though, he did not specify what amount of panels agreed upon.
In the Senate, 13 Republicans are threatening to oppose advancing the bill unless they receive a vote to undo the administration's military vaccine mandate.
They want to bar the Department of Defense from kicking out troops solely because they don't receive the shot and reinstate personnel who have been drummed out with back pay.
While the Department of Defense certainly must make decisions that will bolster military readiness, the effects of the mandate are antithetical to the readiness of our forces and the policy must be revoked, said the GOP.
Rand Paul says, so how do the big spenders from both parties in Congress respond to the Pentagon failing to track $2.1 trillion?
They increased the Pentagon budget.
That's the penalty.
The Pentagon bill now totals $857 billion.
That's $55 billion more than the president requested.
It's more than we spend on transportation, veterans education, veterans, education, justice, international affairs, the environment, housing, science, space, job trading, and employment combined.
So if you don't think you're living in a complaint.
So you think Trump was corrupt?
Yeah, that's cool.
You have no idea how much corruption is in $857 billion.
By the way, that's just what's on the books.
That's just what's on the book.
You can end homelessness with less than $55 billion.
A budget is a reflection of values, and we should value our unhoused neighbors and provide them resources, not further expand the military-industrial complex.
What about the Merle Haggard?
Did you help vote for the $90 billion in aid to Ukraine Nazis?
Oh, so Ilhan Omar getting called out for her hypocrisy.
You are also part of the reason the Pentagon bill has exploded.
She voted for the $90 billion aid to Ukraine.
She's also a bullshitter.
So there you go.
If you want to know about corruption, it's your government.
It's not Russia.
It's not China.
It's your government, the United States government, more corrupt than Russia, more corrupt than China, more corrupt than maybe the rest of the world put together.
You're being run by criminals, and their name aren't Donald Trump.
You're being run by criminals.
Their name is the military-industrial complex, the military-industrial complex, the health insurance industry, big pharma, and the oil companies and big tech.
That's who's actually running your country.
And the people like Joe Biden, who's demented, is not making any decisions.
Those decisions are being handed to him by Wall Street and a military-industrial complex.
And if you don't think so, look at that fucking budget.
That budget tells you where their priorities are, and the American citizen ain't it.
They're your enemy.
Who's your enemy?
Russia?
No.
Your enemy is the United States fucking government.
And it's time you rise up against it.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is Vince Vaughn.
How are you, baby?
Yay, double V. What's on your mind, baby?
Feel like talking politics?
Absolutely not, controversial internet figure Jimmy Doern.
I value our friendship too much and decided that since every time we talk politics, I get physically disgusted by what a lefty chodi are, that moving forward, this will be a politics-free zone.
Well, that might be a problem considering what the Jimmy Door show is all about.
You know what?
I hear that.
Loud and clear.
I hear that.
That's why I'm not coming to you empty-handed.
There is something else we could talk about.
Tinsel Town, baby.
What?
You know you love it, bitch.
Hollywood, the lights, the stars, the hits, the flops, the bottoms, and the tops.
I got out right here, baby.
So without further ado, it's Vince Vaughn's Hollywood minute.
Oh, wait a minute, Vince.
I think that name might already be taken.
Okay, then, how about this?
Vince Vaughn's Tinsel Town Show Pinions.
Okay, that'll.
All right, let her rip, Vince.
Jimmy, this week, the long-awaited Avatar 2, The Way of Water, splashed out in theaters.
Are you going to see it, Jimmy?
No.
Oh, my goodness, why not?
Critics are calling it a sumptuous feast for the census.
And hopefully we'll answer some of the burning, unanswered questions from the first avatar.
Such as who actually fucking saw the first avatar.
It was one of the highest-grossing movies of all time, but I didn't see it.
You didn't see it.
Literally, no one I know saw it.
How's that even possible?
And I don't even know anything about it.
All I know is it looked like if the Blue Man group were trust fund kids and moved to Bali.
Yeah.
I can't even name one character, can you?
No, not nope.
Me neither.
I've never seen Star Wars, but I know who fucking Darth Vader is.
That's right.
With this horseshoe, I can't even name one guy.
Not one.
Anyway, moving on.
Speaking of water, the whale is also making a splash on the big screen.
The whale?
The whale, Jimmy.
Directed by Darren Aronofsky.
Brendan Fraser plays a reclusive 600-pound man struggling with morbid obesity.
Despite Frasier's sympathetic portrayal, the film is being blasted.
Blasted, Jimmy, as fat Phobic.
Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here because the movie is titled The Fucking Whale.
Right.
But furthermore, fat rights activists argue that such a character should not be portrayed by a normal-sized person in prosthetics, but rather by an actual 600-pound actor.
Which, as you know, the A-list is teeming with.
I can't go to a party in the Hollywood Hills these days without getting awkwardly wedged between a couple of morbidly obese superstars holding three Oscars each.
I just can't.
I see your point.
I mean, come on, man.
Let's get real.
If a script calls for an ugly person, Hollywood won't even cast an actual ugly person.
I know.
They have to get Christian Bale or Jared Leto and fuglify them.
There aren't ugly actors.
There just aren't.
In order to have the confidence and complete lack of conscience to make it in this industry, you have to be super good looking.
I've always said it.
Moving on.
Okay, Vince, what else you got?
I'll tell you what else, my man.
Netflix is highly anticipated.
Harry and Megan.
Harry and Megan produce documentary series about how the bad, about the bad things that happened to Harry and Megan is making quite the splash.
A lot of splashing going on, baby.
And as someone who has not watched one second of this show, I can highly recommend it to people who like to get mad about shit that has nothing to do with them, body language experts, and everyone's mom.
Sounds wonderful.
Oh, Jimmy, it is what they did to that poor woman over there.
Two brothers having a silent riff, and the queen is kind of cold.
All these twists and turns.
It is just the talk of the town on both sides of the pond.
I really don't understand this interest in the royal family.
Jimmy, honestly, I think it's because we can all see a little bit of ourselves in them and their struggles.
Really?
No, it's because people have no lives.
Who are we kidding?
Okay.
Okay, well, there it is.
My show opinions about things that I have never seen and never will, but know about.
Well, great, Ben.
We really, really appreciate it.
My pleasure, Jimmy Door.
You know what I think we should do now?
What's that, pal?
I think we should both pour one out to Rick Torn.
Yeah.
A classic, an absolute legend, and still missed.
Later, baby.
Great idea.
Thanks, Vince.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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