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May 20, 2022 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, I'm on tour.
Come see me in Irvine, California, Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Salt Lake City, Washington.
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You mean Washington State?
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is Senator Chuck Schumer of the great state of New York.
Hey, Senator Chuck, how are you?
It's Senator Schumer.
Oh, Senator Schumer.
I'm sorry.
What's on your mind, Senator Schumer?
The state of American democracy.
That's what's on my mind, Jimmy.
I'm pleased to report that it is looking very healthy, I must say.
Is that so?
Did you see the results of last night's primaries?
Did you see them, Jimmy?
Yes, I did, Senator.
Well, then, I don't need to tell you nothing, Buster Brown.
Well, actually, it seems to indicate Trumpism is still alive and well in the Republican Party.
Well, put that aside for the time being.
Madison Cawthorne was defeated by his primary opponent, and he conceded his defeat.
Well, yeah, that's probably for the best.
But I don't know that means that American democracy itself is alive and well.
You bet your bottom dollar it does.
It means that no naive greenhorn in Congress will ever again tattle about the coke-fueled orgies where the real nuts and bolts of the American political process get hammered out.
Excuse me, what?
Jimmy, you know why he lost.
Yes, because someone leaked lewd pics up videos of himself that he made.
Someone, me, I did that.
My office.
What?
Yep.
Like I always say, if you want to try and expose our dirty little congressional secrets, you better not have footage of you doing gay stuff with your cousin, or we'll find it.
And luckily for us, Mr. Cawthorne Mary, we've made it very easy.
It was all on his phone in this tidy little folder labeled, just doing gay stuff with my cousin.
ha ha ha ha ha da ha ben This is kind of hard to believe.
Yeah, no, my staff is really good at finding that stuff.
No, no, no, no.
I mean, the Coke orgy thing.
Oh, Jimmy, Coke orgies are how things get done on the hill.
It's the only time we really all come together, Republicans and Democrats of all stripes.
Okay.
And good work gets done there, believe you me.
Kirsten Jilfrey and I came up with our bill to make it illegal to boycott Israel while we were on Chuck Grassley's sex swing together.
She said, can you imagine anything more depraved and perverse than what we are doing right now?
I said, actually, yes.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, my God.
Jimmy, we are representatives of the American people in Congress.
We are power-hungry psychos.
The only time we can be vulnerable and truly cooperate with each other is when we are being sexually debased.
Okay.
I see.
For example, I'll spare you the details, but when we were what we were doing to Joe Manchin a few months ago, well, let's just say when we finally did take the ball gag out of his mouth, he agreed to approve of a much larger chunk of the infrastructure bill than he did beforehand.
Oh, my God.
Not everyone plays ball, unfortunately.
That sort of rankles me, to be honest.
Kirsten Cinema is one of them.
She's unwavering, even in Maxine Waters' sex dungeon, if you can believe that.
She's just there for the cocaine and sex.
And I find that a little gauche.
How rude.
And she is there for it, my friend.
The appetites of this woman, I swear to Moloch, I have never seen the like of it in all my days, nor even heard of it.
First to show up and last to leave, devours men and women alike, indiscriminately in this insatiable manic age of unbridled lust.
And attacks a snack table like a starving hobo.
Oh, my God.
Nobody can keep up with this woman, even catering.
We're all a little frightened of her, to be honest.
Is that so?
Oh, yes.
A few months ago, she took Jim Acosta in a privacy chamber for a few hours, and when he emerged, he was full-on catatonic.
Like, hello, anybody home?
He just sat in a room and stared at the wall for three days.
CNN had to say he got COVID.
Hold on.
Members of the press are there?
Well, of course, dummy.
How come you've never heard of all any of this talked about on the news?
They're included for insurance reasons.
And when they say they want access, this is what they mean.
This is what they're talking about.
I can't.
I cannot believe this.
Oh, for sure.
One of the funniest things I've ever seen was Brian Stelter standing around eating shrimp cocktail, watching Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene scissor each other on top of a giant pentagram.
He just slowly stopped chewing, and an entire shrimp was hanging out of his mouth for like 15 minutes.
Okay.
It was priceless.
You know what?
I don't want to hear about any of this anymore.
I'm getting sort of ill, to be honest.
Well, good news.
You don't have to.
Cawthorne is gone, never to return, and the message is loud and clear.
Don't talk about that shit, dummy.
Well, all right.
I guess in politics, as in anything else, you don't want to see how the sausage is made, so to speak.
Oh, funny you should say that because Liz Cheney always brings this delightful but devilish contraption called the Sausage Maker.
Okay, enough.
Goodbye.
Establishment media sucks All gaslighting so good luck Bullshit we can't afford Fomenting this Watch and see as this jack off The median speeds And jumps the medium And hits them head on It's the Chimitor Show Max Blumenthal is with us, ladies and gentlemen.
He's an award-winning journalist, as well as the editor-in-chief and founder of the independent investigative news website, The Gray Zone.
He's also a best-selling author of several books, including Goliath, The 51-Day War and the Management of Savagery.
Please welcome to the show, Max Blumenthal.
Hi, Max.
How are you?
Hey, Jimmy.
I'm good.
Good to see you.
Now, I don't know if you heard the big news, Max, but I bet you did.
The U.S. Did for Disinformation Governance Board, which really was just there to approve disinformation that they said was okay.
And this was the head of it, Nina Jankovic.
She's gone.
And now she resigned.
So that's the, and they're, and they're pausing the disinformation governance board.
So that's the lead.
I don't want to bury it.
But I want to show you how this was reported Today.
Now, a lot of people were complaining about that.
I'm a left of the Democratic Party, way left of the Democratic Party.
I was complaining about it.
Max Blumenthal's left of the Democratic Party at the gray zone.
They were all complaining about it.
There are lots of lefties complaining about it.
Glenn Greenwald is a lefty complaining about it.
I don't know what he would call himself, Glenn Greenwald.
He certainly is a jerk.
I'm sure, I'm just going to guess all the good people were complaining about it.
But they want to make it seem like it was just right-wingers.
And this is Taylor Lorenz.
You know, you remember Taylor Lorenz, right?
Her job is to pretend that she does journalism.
And so what she does is she targets people with no money and power normally and tries to humiliate them.
Like she just did with the lady who has that account, Libs of TikTok.
And she doxed her.
And so that's who Taylor Lorenz is.
We know who Taylor Lorenz is.
We've covered her before.
So she says, scoop just three weeks after its announcement.
The disinformation governance board is being paused.
By the way, did you see this on her Twitter?
It says, my personality is better on Instagram.
That's because on Instagram, I put on makeup and say bullshit.
So here she is.
She says they paused it.
They paused the Disinformation Governance Board and intra-department DHS working groups focused on disinformation have been suspended.
Nina Jankowicz is considering leaving.
No, she actually did leave, right?
So the, so Nina Jankowicz has officially resigned from the Disinformation Governance Board.
That sounds like a, it sounds like we're, it's a cartoon, right?
The disinformation governance board.
They did not, they did not workshop that name, I'll tell you.
They didn't focus group that name.
But there it is.
The dream is dead.
We'll never find another censorship jar who can sing like that.
That's all I'm saying.
We're never going to find.
We lost Nina, the Taylor Lorenz of clucking hens under 50 years old.
We lost Nina.
I think just froze.
Good riddance.
It wasn't the so, and then they want to blame it on the far right.
And KC10 Driver says, good riddance.
It wasn't the far right that stopped this.
It was sensible people from all sides who objected to an Orwellian government apparatus.
Max, were you surprised that they shut down so quickly?
I'm going to get to the article.
We're going to get to how crazy this article is because it is insane.
This is in the Washington Post.
And at no point did they talk about this was a bad idea.
At no point did they talk about why this is a bad idea or any concerns about the government overreach and censorship.
It was all about the newspaper was defending the government from rando attacks online.
I'm not kidding.
So, Max, were you surprised that they got rid of this so quickly, this disinformation governance board?
I somewhat wasn't surprised because my thinking was actually under Trump, there was a version of a disinformation governance board under this character, Christopher Krebs.
And he was the kind of person you would expect to lead this.
He wore a suit or khakis, was national security bureaucrat.
And then you bring in weird Nina Yankovic.
No offense to Weird Al.
Just a complete freak of just an absolute freak and a flamboyant wannabe Broadway singer who does, you know, child like nursery rhymes on methamphetamines about disinformation and Russian propaganda.
You bring her in there and she just becomes the perfect target.
And obviously there was pressure on the Biden administration from the camp that she represents within the Democratic Party's infrastructure to create this kind of office for her.
And there are, I'm sure, think tanks behind it, the kind of think tanks we associate with censorship on social media like the Atlantic Council.
And people like Taylor Lorentz seem to have been involved in this network, which is why she's griping about the end of this board.
But what I think happened was Maorgas, Alexander Maorgas, the DHS secretary, was grilled by Rand Paul and other senators and admitted that he didn't know what a complete nutjob Nina Jankovic was or how embarrassing this fiasco had become ahead of the midterms.
And what I think they're going to do is do something more sub-rosa below the radar with another character like Christopher Krebs, who's just a grim bureaucratic figure who exists behind the curtain instead of a flamboyant wannabe Broadway singer.
So I'm not actually surprised.
What I would say, though, is I'm very pleased because contrary to, and we'll talk about Taylor Lorenz's article, but contrary to her framing of this being a right-wing campaign, this was actually a right-left campaign that involved, including civil libertarians as well.
I mean, the ACLU, which has been terrible over the past few years, actually condemned this board as an attack on civil liberties.
And so this is what we need: we need a cross-partisan or non-partisan alliance against online censorship by people who seek to control reality and shield out any information or facts or journalism that contravenes the objectives of a discredited establishment.
And that's what happened here.
So everybody who would participate in this campaign should give themselves a hand, left and right.
We did it.
So here is this crazy article.
I can't, honest.
There are a few articles.
I mean, it's hard to shock me anymore, but it happened.
This article is the most unbelievable defense of the powerful that I've ever seen in my life.
And they're doing it like they're protecting a rape victim instead of what they're doing is instead of who they are protecting is a very, very powerful person who wanted to censor people.
And it's a history of pushing misinformation.
This is, there it is, how the Biden administration let right-wing attacks derail its disinformation efforts.
And I just want to go back.
It wasn't the far right that stopped this.
It was sensible people from all sides who objected to an Orwellian government apparatus.
Now, I just want to say this is disinformation.
The irony here is that this should be labeled misinformation if you're going to do that sort of thing.
I don't want to.
So I'm against that.
But if you're going to be consistent, this is exactly why you can have a disinformation governance board because they're always lying.
And no one will ever agree on what is real or true or disinformation or not.
Because this is disinformation.
It wasn't right-wingers.
It was everybody.
Left, center, libertarian, far right, far left.
Everybody was against this.
Um...
Here's Vince Cogene says, this entire piece, meaning this article, is a slobbering defense of power.
And by the way, that was my name for my punk band in high school, slobbering defense of power.
Not a moment of concern about the way government bodies are used as a predicate for censorship.
Well said.
I don't write that well.
Not a single mention of Jankowicz's long record of credulously pushing blue and on conspiracy theories.
None of that.
That's correct.
None of that was in this article.
None of that.
She wrote a book called How to Win the Information War.
And that's like step one, not mentioned.
I'm bringing up that part.
Don't bring it up.
I think it was actually called How to Lose the Information List.
Oh, that's right.
She was going to come in and tell people how to win, and now she lost.
And now she lost.
So this is from the article from the Washington Post, Taylor Lorentz, maniac, professional victim, gaslighter.
And two of the oligarchs, Taylor Lorenz, wrote this.
Just three weeks after its announcement, the disinformation governance board is being paused, according to multiple employees, blah, blah.
On Monday, DHS decided to shut down the board, according to multiple people.
By Tuesday morning, Jankowicz had drafted a resignation letter in response to the board's dissolution.
I like how they say paused.
They paused it, right?
Just to leave, just to leave, just to leave some hope for the world's biggest pieces of shit out there.
That's what that is.
Okay.
We might still have censorship, right?
Eventually.
Eventually, we might still have it.
We're just pausing it now.
So don't get too disbutted.
Tuesday night, Jankowitz was pulled into an urgent call with DHS officials who gave her the choice to stay on, even as a department.
Work is put on hold because of a backlash that it faced, according to multiple people of knowledge of it.
Wow.
The one weapon they couldn't defend against.
A backlash.
Working groups within the DHS focused on misdis and mal information have been suspended.
I've never heard that one before.
Do you get the feeling that the book 1984 is Taylor Lorenz's Star Trek?
Do you get that feeling?
It's an optimistic view of a future utopia, right?
Can you imagine if Big Brother let a little backlash stop him from creating the Ministry of Truth?
He'd lose his iron grip on Oceania.
No, Big Brother was too effective, and he didn't cry when he accidentally succeeded.
Patriarchy.
On Wednesday morning, Jankowicz officially resigned from her role within the department.
Nina Jankowicz has been subjected to unjustified and vile personal attacks and physical threats, a DHS spokesperson told the Post in a statement in between putting kids in cages.
Wow.
This is like what Coolio did to Weird Al when he made rapping homage paradise.
Jankowicz's experience is a prime example.
This is real.
This is real.
Jankowicz's experience is a prime example of how the right-wing internet apparatus operates, where far-right influencers attempt to identify a target, present a narrative, and then repeat mischaracterizations across social media and websites with the aim of discrediting and attacking anyone who seeks to challenge them.
Oh my God.
It sounds like the playbook from the establishment media, right, Max?
Sounds like projection to me.
That's exactly what they do.
And you know how I know that's what they do?
Because they did that to me when I was doing Force the Vote.
I challenged them, and so they had to discredit me.
They wrote column article after article.
Jimmy Doar's the head of the dirt back left.
Jimmy Doar's alt-right.
Jimmy Doers this.
Jimmy Doar's that.
That's what they do.
That's what they do.
The Washington Post themselves smeared me.
That's what they had to discredit me because I was challenging the Democratic Party.
And so they did this to me.
That's not what some fucking nefarious far-right group that she can't identify does.
That's what the Washington Post does.
That's what Taylor Lorentz does.
This is called projection.
And this is why I study Carl Jung because he invented that idea of you project your worst attributes of yourself onto other people.
That's what this is.
She's writing this.
She says it also shows what happens when, by the way, what she's really pissed off is she's pissed off that the right-wingers are doing this when it's really her job.
That's her job.
That's what she does.
And what do you think she so she says it also shows what happens when institutions, when confronted with these attacks, don't respond effectively.
What does that mean?
You think she means they don't respond effectively by censoring enough.
Is that what that means?
I don't know what that means exactly.
Look how it says mischaracterizations.
The actual group, they didn't characterize themselves.
Like they asked them directly, what exactly you're going to be doing, and they never gave a straight answer.
Like you could have cleared all that up if it was mischaracterization really easily.
Oh, so what, yeah, so she's saying that they're mischaracterizing.
And what Kurt's saying is, why didn't the DHS just say what they were doing?
They could never give a straight answer to what the hell their job was.
So if you're going to say other people are mischaracterizing them across all, that's not what's that, it was their own fault.
It wasn't characterized in the first place.
That's right.
You have to first characterize something for it to be mischaracterized.
Okay.
Just hours after Jankowicz tweeted about her new job, this is a real story in a real newspaper.
So this person, a powerful person inside government wanting to censor you at the Department of Homeland Security, which puts kids in cages there, just after that person at that institution inside government tweeted about her new job, far-right influencer Jack Prosobiak posted tweets accusing the Biden administration of creating a ministry of truth, pro-Sobix to pro-Soviets 1.7 million followers.
They quickly sprung into action.
They tweeted because this guy tweeted something.
By the way, how many millions of followers does the Washington Post have?
Right?
How many, because they fucking smeared me in an article.
How many millions of people subscribed to the Washington Post?
Why are you guys pretending like this isn't what you do for a living?
And it's true that me and everyone I know, we were absolutely fine with Nina Jankowicz, that demented theater kid with a history of spreading disinformation.
We were all okay with her being in charge of policing disinformation.
That was until this asshole Postobiak tweeted something about it, and that woke us all up.
By the end of the day, there were at least 53,000 posts on Twitter mentioning disinformation governance board.
Many rep yet, that's how Twitter works.
There's billions of people on it.
This happens every day.
That's called a trending topic.
And something inside the government trending is a good idea.
That's a good thing that people are aware of what's happening in the government.
But to Taylor Lorenz, this is evidence of a nefarious right-wing conspiracy that people are talking about a new government body inside our government.
That's bad.
People are talking about the disinformation governance board on Twitter, and that's harassment.
That's literal violence.
In the days following, that number skyrocketed.
So word got out.
Word got out.
Postobex's early tweets shaped the narrative, and Jankowitz was positioned as the primary target.
Republican lawmakers echored post-Sobik's framing and amplified it to their audiences.
Why are these representatives speaking?
They're talking about a thing happening in the government to people online.
U.S. Senate Hopeful and Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmidt and Representative Andrew S. Clyde of Georgia both posted similar tweets to Postobik's former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard also posted a video repeating Postobik's statements.
Is that how you say his name?
If I have to say it a million times, I'd like to get it right once.
I think so.
Oh, okay.
Oh my God.
It sounds like basically Taylor Lorenz and the Washington Post are upset that democracy worked because that sounds like democracy.
People speaking and their representatives speaking to them and we're all conversing and coming to an understanding about something.
The week following the announcement, approximately 70% of Fox News's one-hour segments.
Can you show the week following the announcement, approximately 70% of Fox News's one-hour segments mentioned either Jankowicz or the board mentioned?
You mean a news show is going to mention this unbelievable Orwellian freaking Ministry of Tooth Truth that just got laid on us with no explanation of what they're really going to be doing?
And they're talking about it on a news show?
They're mentioning it.
That's supposed to be bad.
She's making it seem like they spent 70% of their time talking about it.
Right.
That's not what happened.
And nearly 70% of their one-hour segments maybe mentioned it once.
That's right.
Because it was a running story, which would be a whole lot less than Chris Christie and Bridgegate on MSNBC.
Right?
Yes, I remember that.
That was constant.
That was 99%.
I was glued to that coverage, I'll be honest.
He shut down the board, the bridge for an hour.
Listen to this.
This is also in the Washington Post.
The Fox News coverage was referenced in some of the most popular posts on Facebook and Twitter criticizing Jankowitz.
Oh, my God.
People are talking about a thing.
That's all this is.
People are talking about a thing that the government's doing.
And Fox News is talking about it.
And then when people talk about it, they reference Fox News talking about it.
How do we stop people talking about a thing?
This is in the Washington Post.
Dozens of websites, including Breitbart, the Post Millennial, The Daily Caller, and the New York Post began mining Jankowicz's past social media posts and publishing articles to generate controversy.
You mean they started doing reporting?
You mean they started looking into the person who was the head of this new agency inside the government instead of being derelict in their duty and going and looking at TikTok videos?
You mean they were actually doing fucking journalism?
And that upsets Taylor Lorentz and the Washington Post, owned by Jeff Bezos in bed with the CIA.
They did it to generate controversy, Jimmy.
They did it just to generate these bastards are just out there generating.
Everything would be fine.
People would be happy with her.
She sounds like Spiro Agnew.
I don't know.
You guys might be too young for that reference.
The nattering nabobs of negativism, right?
That's right.
That's what he said with the news was.
And now she's saying.
She's Dr. Smith from Lost in Space.
You nattering nabobs.
So they, some of the people were simply mocking, making fun of her for parroting a song from Mary Poppins to talk about misinformation.
So they were mining her past.
My God, people do that.
So you're saying that.
Yes, that's exactly what Taylor Lorenz docked somebody, went to their relatives' homes to try to get him to say things about her.
She was harassing everybody to do with somebody who had a TikTok account.
So what Taylor Lorentz is saying is that they gave Nina Jankowicz the old Taylor Lorenz treatment.
Right?
Oh, wait.
They didn't try to destroy her children's lives.
So I guess it's not the full Taylor Lorenz treatment because that's what Taylor Lorentz does.
Here's more of this.
This is amazing.
In another instance, a performer where Jankowicz sings a performance where Jankowicz sings a popular musical theater song like a fucking maniac about a person's desire to become rich and powerful.
No, she, the one, the song I saw was her singing a song about wanting to censor people for disinformation to the tune of super cadafragilistic expialidocious.
I didn't see the other one.
Yeah, it looked like some karaoke thing.
Okay.
Why would you pick that song?
They said it was misrepresented, Kurt, that when she, her desire to be that song, that was misrepresented to imply that Jankowitz herself was after money and power and would sleep with men to get it.
I mean, it didn't, that doesn't misrepresent her as much as her singing that song did.
How about that?
All right.
Go ahead.
Whose criticism was that?
Like, I heard she sleeps with men from money and power.
No one gave a shit.
They're just making that.
They just make, well, they just pick up randos, right?
So one person with no followers on Twitter says something.
They pretend like someone said that, and it's important to pay attention to.
That's what Taylor Lorenz is doing right here.
So here's what I'm saying.
I mean, it was just a crazy video.
I don't know if you've seen it.
No, I didn't see it.
I saw it.
It just underlines the correct portrayal of her as kind of an unhinged whack job.
I wasn't really paying much attention to the content of it.
Did you say, I'm sorry, before that the job maybe was kind of built around Nina Jankowitz?
Like they were like, we need to make this new thing and put this Nina Jay.
Did you say that anyway?
Or do I misunderstand?
You're asking Max that, right?
Well, Nina Jankowitz, when she announced her position, she stated pretty clearly, if I remember right on Twitter, that she designed, she had been working with the DHS to design this position in this board.
Oh, right.
Okay, there you go.
So this board is Nina.
Yeah.
So here's the next paragraph I want to share with you.
It says, experts say, experts, experts in disinformation?
What kind of experts say that right-wing disinformation?
They just say experts.
They don't tell you who these ex just experts.
Experts in disinformation.
You know who those people are?
They're people like Taylor Lorentz.
They're people like Bellingcat, people who just give themselves a fucking title.
I'm an expert in disinformation.
Yeah, it doesn't even link to anybody there.
No, it doesn't.
Experts say that right-wing disinformation and smear campaigns regularly follow the same playbook.
The one that Taylor Lorentz and the Washington Post use on a regular basis.
That's the one playbook for it.
Here's the play.
Here comes the playbook.
The playbook is, and that it's crucial.
This is what she's writing.
She says it is crucial that public and leaders of institutions, especially in the government, the media, and educational bodies, understand more fully how these cycles operate.
It's crucial that people understand how these Twitter things work because I'm getting my feelings hurt on Twitter.
This is real.
I got some good news, Taylor.
The government definitely knows how the cycle of misinformation works.
You fucking genius.
Go ahead, Max.
If you go down a few paragraphs from the mention of experts, I think you can find the expert that she's referring to, and it's Emerson T. Brooking, a resident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab.
So we all know what the Atlantic Council is.
It is NATO's unofficial think tank in Washington or semi-official think tank in Washington, funded by everyone from NATO to the U.S. State Department to Raytheon to the Turkish and Saudi governments, Saudi Aramco, Burisma, which gave Joe Biden's son a lucrative contract, was also a major donor to the Atlantic Council buying influence in Washington.
And this is the expert.
So it is essentially a cutout of the government and the intelligence services and all of these U.S. vassal states.
It is the government.
And Nina Jankowicz has been involved in several U.S. intelligence cutouts that push regime change and anti-democratic campaigns.
I can talk about it in a minute around the world within Western supposed democracies.
Well, let's get to more of this article because it's crazy.
I'm honest, this is the most insane article I've ever seen.
She's writing in defense of the Department of Homeland Security head of censorship.
By discrediting those made to represent institutions, they seek to bring down, they discredit the institution itself.
Harassment and harassment and reputational harm is core to the attack strategy.
That's exactly what the media does to people, like me.
I mean, that's what she does to people like me.
Institutions often treat reputational harm and online attacks as a personal matter, one that unlucky employees should simply endure quietly.
He said he was frustrated by.
So this is a, so then they start to quote some guy who's supposed to be a disinformation guy from a university, but he's just an idiot.
He said that he was frustrated by the Biden administration's lack of a loud and vocal response to what Jankowitz was going through.
What in the fuck?
Are we going to have drum circles?
And saying it's amateur hour is cliché, but it's amateur hour, he said of the administration's inaction.
Now, isn't this Taylor Lorentz and the Washington Post now harassing and trying to discredit the Biden administration's right?
How many followers does the Washington Post have?
And you're just going to insult and harass these people like this in your newspaper?
That's what you're harassing the people you're saying they're amateur hour over at the Biden administration.
Now everybody's going to hate them.
That's not okay, according to Taylor Lorentz on the Washington Post.
Isn't that?
Isn't she doing the exact thing?
Of course they are.
Wouldn't they maybe just think she's going through the thing that they all have to go through to be in public life?
She went through a tenth of anything Biden went through, deserved or not.
Like, why would he even register?
All I tried to do was get Congresspeople to take a vote on Medicare for all in the middle of a pandemic, and people doxxed my house.
That's what I was trying to do.
This woman in the government is trying to censor people, and she's got power.
I had no power.
I have no power.
Why is it amateur hour?
I mean, she's an expert on amateur hour.
This is like amateur hour Broadway, amateur hour, disinformation.
Wait, why are they isn't hiring Nina Jankowicz amateur hour?
Exactly.
That's the amateur hour.
Yes.
Exactly.
And so now here's what Taylor Lorentz and a lot of maniacs who are sympathetic to people like Taylor Lorenz, what they do.
They pretend like random comments on social media amount to something.
They don't.
They're just random comments on Twitter or wherever.
And watch, this is how they do it.
In response to one post on Gab featuring a video of Tucker Carlson discussing Jankowitz, users commented, time to kill them all.
Users!
Who?
We don't know.
It could have been Taylor Lorenz under a fake name.
We don't know who did this.
Just users.
So a rando on Gab said something crazy.
And that makes the Washington Post.
Here's another one.
Another post featuring Carlson's coverage of Jankowitz was shared to a right-wing forum With the caption, this is the point where we have to draw the line.
That sounds reasonable to me, by the way.
That's even worse than killing drawings.
You're going to draw a line?
No line drawing.
That is violence.
And here, by the way, Jamal Jamil Jafer tweeted out, the Washington Post piece should have acknowledged somewhere, perhaps even at the top, that some of the criticism of the Biden administration's disinformation governance board came from civil liberties and human rights group.
Yeah, maybe at the top.
You said the far right.
And here's what he said.
And then he links to this.
He goes, here's the letter that the Protect Democracy at EFF and Nightclub Night Columbia sent earlier this month.
And there it is.
So those are far left.
That's far left or less.
It was actually, I would say, mainstream.
These are very pedigreed institutions.
Okay, there you go.
Corrected.
I stand corrected.
So these aren't, these aren't harassed.
So the point is, these aren't.
What's that?
I just, I just bullied you.
I said you harassed Jimmy.
I harassed him.
Yeah, I mean, and this show has to have a response to when Max does that.
I mean, this is an amateur hour, Jimmy.
But then this guy, what is this?
Who's this guy?
Oh, and then he, anyway.
So this guy says there were plenty of good reasons to criticize the DHS initiative, but I think the Biden administration just ignored those thoughtful criticisms.
It seems the bad faith conservative campaign against the disinfo board is the story because that's what actually mattered.
What?
One who cares too.
First of all, how is it bad faith?
Is he employed censorships are to be so?
Apparently, they ignored thoughtful criticisms.
So if they came from the left, they're thoughtful criticisms.
But if they came from the right, they're bad faith.
Even though they both were saying the same thing, that this is a bad idea.
But it's bad faith when someone I don't like says it.
Isn't that mental?
Well, I think what the right was saying, which the thoughtful critics that this guy is pointing out, what the right was saying, which was actually more valuable and more salient in my view, was that Nina Jankowitz is a prolific disseminator of disinformation.
She has lied about major political events again and again, and we can't make this point enough.
And that was really at the heart of the critique I saw on both the right and the left.
It wasn't within the critique of these civil liberties groups, which were just concerned about what it means for a national security or law enforcement organization to police speech, which is also valid.
Again, I'll just requote the guy earlier in this segment.
This is the most slobbering defense of power.
That is just disgusting.
If you could read that article and not have your stomach churn or your hair stand on fire or something, that is in the Washington Post.
I mean, that is just shocking.
That's something that shouldn't be in Glamour magazine, that fucking article defending.
Well, it's obvious that she has some relationship with her, like that they're friends or associates or something.
It feels that way.
Like she's just speaking on her behalf.
Well, Nino wrote How to Be a Woman Online, which I'm sure went big in circles of people who are obnoxious online, such as your Taylor Lorenz.
I'm sure that's like a Oprah book club thing for them.
And she said that these right, I don't have this slide in there from the article, but she said in the article that they often pick a, most often pick a woman or a person of color to go after, right?
These conspiracies online.
Do you know over half the population is women?
What the fuck?
So this is like most of the time or half the time.
Yeah, half the population is women.
You're a woman.
You're in power.
You're writing.
She's a woman.
She's in power.
Who do you want to?
Hey, where are the guys over at DHS?
It's just, anyway, I can't get it.
You know, part of the reason they pick a woman is because they're like, now you can't say anything about it because a woman.
Well, that's what they do.
That is exactly what they're doing.
All right.
So let's move on.
Anything you want to say before we wrap this up, Max?
Yeah, well, she's gone after us at the gray zone.
And so the article by Taylor Lorentz starts off by saying, now Jankowitz finds herself the target of the very people she has spent her career taking down.
And it's like, yeah, yeah.
The irony.
You fucking lying ass charlatan.
You accused us of being a Russian disinformation operation in public with no evidence at all.
How dare you?
Like, of course we're going to go after you and challenge you when you are given police powers to censor us.
We are going to be very upset.
You called us destructive disinformation, which is kind of a compliment because I'm happy to be destructive to your authoritarian censorship agenda.
But she openly stated that she wished to censor us.
So of course we're going to be upset.
And why does she want to censor us?
Because as I mentioned before, she is involved with regime change U.S. government cutouts in Eastern Europe that have tried to topple any government that the U.S. doesn't want in power.
She doesn't believe in democracy.
So of course we're going to be upset.
And I wasn't doing this because I wasn't criticizing her because she's a woman.
I never said anything about her until she started smearing us, libeling us, and spreading disinformation about the site that I founded and that I run.
Oh, but if a man did it, you'd like it.
I would have felt much more like, you know, liberated to go after them.
Well, that's who these people are.
This is the world we're living in.
And they want everybody to think that people in the Democratic administration are good people and everybody in any other political party are bad people.
That's what this is.
Can I just take a second to say thank you for your service to Nina Jenkins?
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So it gets worse.
MSNBC now has an ex-Fox guy who I actually bumped into in Iowa.
Bit of a douchebag.
This guy, Carl Cameron.
And this is tweeted out by Ryan Grimm, by the way, the D.C. Bureau, friend of the show, and D.C. Bureau Chief of the Intercept.
So he caught this.
This even caught his attention.
He's retweeting a video from the Washington Free Beacon.
They caught this.
So watch what this guy says.
So they're talking about, oh, how horrible things are at Fox News.
There's only, by the way, is it as if there's one cable station worse than another?
That's just amazing to me.
I'll tell you, one cable station actually tells the truth about Ukraine once in a while.
Does that ever happen at MSNBC?
No.
Does it ever happen at CNN?
No.
So here we go.
Champion by Tucker Carlson.
What happens at Fox News when something like this happens?
So I guess she's asking what happens at Fox News when there's a shooting that people are trying to blame their political enemy for, Tucker Carlson.
That's the question.
What happens at Fox News when some like this happens?
Okay.
I can't even imagine.
It's partly why I ended up getting out of there.
And it's partly why I've never had an original thought in my life.
Okay.
It really is kind of horrible to think that journalists with national and international capacity are putting together this type of nonsense.
I think the president did a great job.
I wish he had.
This guy was the Fox News chief political correspondent.
And now somehow he's a Boy Scout.
Because he doesn't like Tucker Carlson.
Bill O'Reilly was, oh, you're okay with Bill O'Reilly?
You're okay with Roger Ailes?
I think they are.
I think they're just not okay with Tucker, and they're saying Fox to put pressure on Fox to take off Tommy.
That's right, because Tucker once in a while, because Tucker tells the truth about foreign policy, and they can't have that.
When Carl Cameron was at Fox, Bill O'Reilly almost explicitly incited for the murder of George.
Oh, tough.
We had a tough Kansas.
So you froze for a second.
Repeat that?
Okay.
Yeah, when Carl Cameron was at Fox News, Bill O'Reilly explicitly incited or almost explicitly incited for the murder of George Tiller, who was the only women's health care provider who performed late-term abortions in Kansas.
O'Reilly said he has hell to pay for it.
Oh, that's right.
And a few days later, George Tiller was shot in the back in his church as he prayed by an anti-abortion extremist.
That was just, you know, before the Tucker era at Fox.
And that was something, you know, Carl Cameron didn't really seem to alarm him at the time.
Yeah, they used to call that guy Tiller the baby killer.
And then someone killed that guy in church, right?
And yeah, Carl Cameron didn't have a problem with that.
But now Carl Cameron is a Boy Scout all of a sudden.
The guy who was the biggest bullshit artist in the world now is somehow he's good.
He's with another Bush, with a Bush person from the Bush administration, a torturer, and they're going to talk about how bad someone else is.
Okay.
A lot of this a lot sooner, and we need a lot more from the left and the middle.
And we got to watch out because the Republicans have become the purveyors of misinformation.
Just in time for the midterms.
But I love how they say Fox News hosts blames Democrats, blame shooting on Dems and on mental illness.
Okay.
And when our two-party system is broken like that, democracy is seriously in trouble.
The president acknowledged that it's time to actually start doing things and maybe taking some names and putting people in jail.
He said maybe it's time to start taking some names and start putting people in jail.
So they're talking about Tucker Carlson.
You're talking about putting news people in jail over at Fox News.
They have names, yeah.
That have names.
And by the way, that seems crazy to me to say that.
I mean, if you're going to blame, you want to pin this on the Dems, okay, but don't try to pin it on mental illness.
The one thing we know had nothing to do with this.
Yeah, that guy was a completely rational individual.
Completely.
I mean, obviously.
So who sounds like the radical there, Max?
Who sounds like the extremist nutjob?
Is it Carl Cameron?
Yes.
That's who it sounds like an extremist nutjob.
He wants to start taking names and putting people in jail for opinions.
Go ahead, Max.
Well, this is the chatter.
This is like the water cooler chatter at MSNBC.
You know, we got to jail these people.
This is what's being discussed.
And now it sort of came out impromptu.
But this is, I've been saying, and, you know, in discussions also with other people in independent media, mostly people on the left who challenge U.S. foreign policy, that we are pretty much prepared for the U.S. government to start trying to find ways and its Western allies to start trying to find ways of actually legislating speech so that they can do what they did to Russian state-backed media, for example.
Like Canada just banned RT completely.
I think the UK has done it or is going to do it.
But they're going to do it to independent sites just on the basis of their speech.
And so this is kind of the same mentality.
It's just people we don't like, we're going to find a justification and just do it.
Because these people, the establishment, I mean, MSNBC to me isn't even left.
It's just establishment.
That's why they have all these ex-Bush officials there with Democrats and they all are circling the wagons because they have lost credibility.
They have lost the hearts and minds of normal American people.
And they see Americans.
They're frightened and they see Americans as the enemy.
They've seen the poll that shows over 50% of voters would support an independent candidate who is not Biden or Trump.
They can feel the anger out there.
They've seen the polls that show most Americans are concerned about inflation and rising food prices and they're mad as hell and they don't give a shit about Ukraine.
That frightens them.
So they're going to start to legislate it and start locking people up who have dissenting opinions.
Here's Occupy Democrats tweets this out.
This is disappointing.
Breaking former Fox News reporter Carl Cameron says that the, no, former fucking chief political correspondent for Fox for years and years.
Former Fox chief political correspondent Carl Cameron says that the Buffalo mass shooters ideology mirrors that of Tucker Carlson and Republicans spreading misinformation is so dangerous that it might be time to start putting people in jail.
Retweet if you agree with Cameron.
Whoa.
So they want to just start putting people in jail for words that they don't like.
Here's another one.
Glenn Greenwald says, in the late 60s and 70s, the state of Mississippi tried to hold local NAACP leaders liable for the violent acts of their followers, claiming they incited the violence through their angry rhetoric.
In 1982, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in favor of the NAACP.
That would violate the First Amendment.
Now, now, look at this.
Now they want to lock people up.
This is amazing.
By the way, that rhetoric, I saw the clip.
By the way, I watched the clip of Tucker Carlson talking about that, you know, the ideology that they're talking about.
The Democrats have been saying this stuff for years.
Gleefully, like, guess what?
We're replacing you.
Like, you don't think that prompts people to be angrier than whatever the hell you think Tucker Carlson said?
We showed on another video that I dropped today that Bill Clinton had this rhetoric.
Hillary Clinton, the Democrats talked like this up until about five minutes ago.
Barack Obama deported more Hispanics than all the presidents combined since 1890.
Do you know that?
You know, he built those cages.
You know, Barack Obama gassed immigrants at the border.
You know, Barack Obama bombed Muslim weddings.
Do you know this stuff?
No.
Yeah.
I mean, I've covered the border since I began doing journalism like 20 years ago.
I was constantly going down to the border in southern Arizona.
I saw the deaths start in the Bush era.
I saw the Minute Men come down, you know, the right-wing border vigilantes.
I wrote profiles on them.
And, you know, Obama comes in and I start going down.
I continue going to the border.
And it actually gets worse.
And the Minutemen become kind of super, I mean, as awful as they were, and many of them were infested with white nationalists.
They were just kind of like this side piece to what the state under Obama, with the full support of Obama and his DHS and ICE, was doing.
And I was like, you know, I've been writing about the right and this transmission belt to the Republican Party for years, but here are the Democrats on the border and the amount of military, the amount of militarization on the border.
It just was out of control under Obama.
What was the ideological basis for that?
Well, they never said what it was.
They never said.
But it was the same program that the Trump administration advanced in many ways.
And we all know that the Democrats have preached replacement theory, but just in different words.
And that the Hispanics are going to come here and take our jobs.
And they're going to come here and take our resources.
They're going to come and take our government services.
That's what Bill Clinton used to say all the time.
And Hillary Clinton.
This is what the Democrats used to say.
And Bernie Sanders, just a few years ago, said that open borders is a right-wing conspiracy.
That's what the Koch brothers want to do so they can flood us with cheap labor.
That's exactly what Tucker Carlson says.
That we have to.
Go ahead.
Back in the 90s when the border was more open and people would actually go, maybe some people would actually go to like junior college on the Texas side and come back home to Juarez or wherever their community was.
There was a different situation, but a group of protesters in the San Diego area who are right-wing Republicans started a movement called Turn on the Lights.
And they set up their cars along the border with their lights on all night and started creating this pressure campaign that went all the way to Washington when Bill Clinton was president.
And what did Bill Clinton do?
How did he respond to this right-wing anti-immigrant pressure movement?
He initiated Operation Gatekeeper, which saw the government for the first time build militarized walls in San Diego to keep people from Tijuana out and in El Paso to keep people from wars out.
So it was a Democratic president that started to check off the boxes on the right-wing's wish list.
And there's just been a steady progression ever since then.
It's just that the Democrats don't advance the ideological point of view that we, you know, they're replacing white Americans.
They don't really explain why they're doing what they're doing.
Well, I just remember when lock her up was a Trump catchphrase.
Now MSNBC is advocating the same thing for its political opponents.
And those are all, by the way, these are all one, two, those, those are five right-wingers.
These are not left-wing people on MSNBC.
This is a certified right-winger.
So the FBI, 100%.
This guy's former Fox News chief political guy.
This is Donny Deutsch, who said he'd vote for Trump over Bernie Sanders.
And I don't know who the fuck that is.
Those are five right-wingers.
Maybe we should consider them all terrorists because they're right-wingers.
They don't represent anything except just authoritarian control, just establishment control.
I don't think they're left or right.
They're nothing.
They're just hollow creatures of the establishment who don't care about anything in the Constitution.
They're like Brian Williams.
They're an institutionalist.
Yeah.
I'm an institutionalist.
Here's what Black and the Empire said.
You have just watched the former communications director for George Bush lead a panel talking about locking people up for misinformation.
While our government tries to extradite Assange, which is the biggest threat to journalism in our time, they aren't talking about trying to free him.
They are trying to jail somebody at their rival network.
And if you want to start locking people up for misinformation, see, there it is.
They hated it.
Nicole Wallace on Tuesday ripped her former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, for once encouraging a lock her up chat about former secret.
So it's bad when it's someone you like, but if it's someone you don't like, lock them up.
So they're all just like Trump.
And that's what I've been saying since 2016.
They all are Trump.
They just hate that Trump doesn't hide it.
And by the way, I don't care what we did.
Nicole Wallace's rant reveals what America's torture.
She doesn't care about torture.
They were torturers.
And she doesn't care.
And you want to see, if you want to lock somebody up for misinformation, RussiaGate was one big evidence-free conspiracy theory.
The dossier was funded and put together by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Hillary Clinton lied and her campaign lied about that for a year straight.
And then they had to pay a fine.
And then it's all about the dossier.
You ready?
And remember, they said the dossier was real?
We all know it's all phony.
It was all paid for by Hillary Clinton, which she lied about.
And it's all made up.
And let's listen.
It may be dirty, but it ain't fake.
Is there anything in the dossier that has been disproven?
No.
No, I guess the short answer to the question is, Has anything been soundly disproven about the Steele dossier?
And I would agree with Jim Clapper.
I haven't seen anything because a lot of these facts have not been disproven.
It's not been corroborated, but it hasn't been disproven either.
The dossier, in fact, is far from bogus.
The dossier is far from bogus.
This portion of the dossier hasn't been publicly proven or definitively disproven, but obviously, were it proven true, it would pretty definitively establish extremely involved levels of collusion.
I'm still waiting for the innocent narrative to come out.
Some elements of the dossier have been verified, but none so far have been publicly disproven.
To date, none of it has been disproven, and whole big parts of it are holding up.
That's Nicole Wallace herself right there.
None of it has been disproven, and big parts of it are holding up.
Their part that there was a dossier.
Yeah, it's Michael Steele.
The bit where he filled his name out, that part holds up well.
None of it has been disproven, as you said.
It's a fact that none of it, not one word, has been disproven.
In fact, a lot of it turned out to be right on the money.
So there's many videos like that put together.
I could do that all day.
So, should those people be put in prison?
The FBI guy would want those people put in prison.
Carl Cameron would want them people put in prison.
They're doing it.
They're currently doing it.
Julian Assange is in prison.
And UK Home Secretary Preeti Patel is going to decide on whether he's extradited to the United States.
And Biden's Attorney General is seeking to prosecute Julian Assange for the crime of journalism.
So there you go, ladies.
Who's next?
Anybody who discovers a war crime, they will be next.
And there's plenty of, or any of us lying about what.
By the way, they do it right out in the open now.
They steal, as Chris Hedges says, they lie, cheat, and steal right out in the open.
They don't even try to, that $40 billion griff that they just gave to the military industrial, $40 billion.
Do you know what $40 billion could do for you and your family?
You could buy Twitter.
Do you know what $40 billion could do for every billion dollars for each 40 top cities in the country?
Just give them a billion dollars each and say, hey, put it on your do a jobs program.
How about clean up your homeless problem?
How about make affordable housing?
There's a million things we could do with $40 billion in the United States.
They did it right out in the open.
Bam.
They can't get you health care.
They can't get you a living wage.
They can't get you a $2,000 fucking check.
But they just got $40 billion like that to give to their friends at the military industrial complex.
But that would be taking javelin missiles out of the hands of Ukrainian Nazis, Jimmy.
Yes, that is cruel.
Yes.
You're a missile snatcher.
Okay, over to State.
Taking missiles out of my kids' mouth.
My kid's name is Javelina.
That's my daughter's name.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is Er Pacino.
Ah, hi, Al.
How are you?
I'm going to get right to the point, Jimmy.
What are these fucking UFO things?
Al, I'm not really sure, to be honest.
They're strange aerial phenomena that have been picked up on radar, U.S. military radar exclusively, I might add.
Okay, right.
But what are they?
I don't know, Al.
Congress just had a meeting about this shit.
I'm well aware, and not surprisingly, our military wants to see these images as grave threats.
Well, are they?
I don't know, Al, but I sort of doubt it.
So you don't know.
I appreciate your trust in me, but I can't know the unknowable.
Anyone who is being honest about these things say they simply can't be explained.
I see.
Fair enough.
Can you at least tell me where they're from, though?
Al Sorry, sorry.
I just, I just gotta know.
Are we alone in the universe?
Hello.
Hello.
Little green man, come on and play.
Who knows, Al.
This isn't really my area of expertise.
Well, you better make in your area.
Area 51.
What could be more important than this, Jimmy?
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hey, Jimmy, this is Vince Vaughan.
Vince, how are you?
Jimmy, I gotta get sticked.
What?
Because of Roe versus Wade.
Let me tell you, baby, these ladies are steamed ad men.
They're so mad.
They're not gonna pour out unless the dude is completely zip-tied down there like a recently apprehended terror suspect.
This is your first thought in response to Roe v.
Wade probably getting overturned to make this about your own love life.
Yeah, what the hell else would I do?
This is about me, Vince of Vossectomy.
Come on.
I can't believe this is happening to me.
This is a nightmare.
Who could have ever imagined this might happen?
Lots of people, Vince.
How could the Democrats let us down like this?
That's a good one, Vince.
Do you guys really think, wait a minute, I thought you were a libertarian?
I am.
I had the flag on my car and everything.
There's a flag?
Yeah, I designed it myself.
It's the don't tread on me snake wearing sunglasses saying deal with it, bitch.
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