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April 29, 2022 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is Senator Chuck Schumer of New York.
Chucky to Shoe.
We're just talking about you, buddy.
Why?
What did I do?
Well, you and Senator Warren are pushing for student debt forgiveness.
Yeah, when pigs fly.
Hey, up, you little ingrates.
Anyway, that's not why I'm calling.
Well, why are you calling?
I'm calling to voice my support for my friend and colleague, Senator Diane Feinstein.
So you're saying she's of sound mind?
I'm saying I am voicing my support is what I'm saying.
Senator, come on.
She's fine.
She's totally fine.
Feinstein.
It's right there in the name.
So you're not making a very convincing case, and several unnamed congressional sources say that she is unable to fulfill her duties anymore.
Oh, Poppycock, who said that?
I don't know, but several reliable sources I hear.
So you're saying you forgot?
See, it happens to the best of us.
Maybe you're senile, Jimmy Door.
No, I didn't forget, Senator.
I didn't know it in the first place.
So you pre-forgot.
Wow, your case is even worse than I thought.
Jesus.
Come on, Senator.
Give me a breaker.
She's 88 years old.
I know.
The oldest sitting senator.
Isn't that amazing?
We should be celebrating that, not denigrating her with salacious rumors.
We stay in a queen, a true queen with immense political power.
I'm not denigrating her.
It's very plausible that someone in their late 80s has a slipping mental function.
Look, like her office said, if she has missed a few steps lately, it's because she was recently widowed.
We're sorry about her husband's passing, but I'm not sure I've ever heard of grief being mistaken for dementia.
Jimmy.
What?
Please stop.
Stop what?
Can you just let it go?
This is hard enough already.
Oh, so you're admitting her decline.
Jimmy, she's out of her fucking gourd.
Thank you.
What the hell are we supposed to do?
You're supposed to get her to resign, Chuck.
Right.
That and Medicare for all and serious action on climate change.
We're Democrats, not the fucking Avengers.
Her resign never.
She's in till 2025, baby.
At this point, that seems even cruel to her.
Well, we're just going to have to prop her up like weekend at Bernie's or some shit.
Yeah.
Because we can't lose any Democratic senators.
Ain't going to happen.
No way.
Not on my watch.
My ridiculous, very ridiculously expensive watch.
At the expense of this woman's welfare?
At the expense of any goddamn thing.
Look at the way the winds are blowing, Jimmy.
American democracy is essentially over.
We are moving towards a gerontocracy.
A gerontocracy.
It's inevitable.
A system of government dominated by people in the 80s and 90s who have absolutely no fucking idea what's going on.
It's never been tried before.
Actually, I'm pretty excited to see what happens.
You know what?
I take that back.
The ancient Greek city-state of Pylos experimented with the gerontocracy in about 550 BC, and they were immediately wiped off the map by eight guys from Sparta.
But no, that was a long time ago.
This sounds like a horrible idea, Chuck.
Well, it could be.
I don't know.
I'm not much of an idea guy.
But this is where it's going, and I have to adapt.
I have to be a savvy politician.
How is this being savvy?
Jimmy, someday I will be a doddering, 95-year-old, senile fool, and I fully expect to be representing the state of New York in that capacity.
Why?
Why would you even want that, Chuck?
Because I deserve a seat at the table.
If America is to be governed by drooling vegetables, I expect to be one of the top turnips.
I've earned this, Jimmy.
And I will not get to that point if I have a history of trying to escort Paleolithic narcissists off the political stage.
I would be a pariah, and I want to be a papaya.
Jeez.
This is depressing, actually.
But don't worry, Jimmy.
I see a bright future for our country.
A benevolent dictatorship of extremely wealthy, mummified ghouls might be just what we need.
So a cabal of artificially animated human husks just might get us Medicare for all?
If the human lifespan reaches 140 years, maybe.
No promises, though.
No promises.
Gotta go, Jimmy.
Gotta go have lunch in a cafeteria.
Gotta get used to the lifestyle of the powerful.
Peach halves and pumpkin pie, here I come.
Alright.
Establishment media sucks.
All gaslighting, so good luck.
Bullshit we can't afford.
Fomenting this.
Watch and see as it's jacked off.
The median speeds and jumps the medium.
And hits them head on.
It's the Chimitor Show.
you Okay, so guess what?
They're doing it.
They're still freaking out about.
So the establishment has lost control.
Their system is making everyone miserable and poor and working their heads off.
And people are kind of fed up with the system.
So all they have left is all they have left is censorship, right?
So they have to have narrative control to make you think everything's okay.
And what do they do?
They always bring this guy out, the gray-haired Fonzie wannabe, who's here to give you corporate talking points and make it seem like he's a badass outsider because he's wearing a leather jacket and he's got crazy hair.
And he does it.
This guy has worked for the establishment his entire life.
He worked for the New York Times.
He worked for Vice.
He worked for MSNBC.
So he's worked for all the bad people, right?
He's taken the money of the corporations, the warmongers, and the crushers of the workers.
So that's who's funded him his entire life.
And watch what he has.
Watch what he has to say about Elon Musk, the threat that Elon Musk might provide freedom of speech.
This drives them crazy.
And so now they send this guy out to totally gaslight you.
But man, is he shitty at it?
Because the last time they sent him out to gaslight you, he had to tell you that what's wrong with corporate press isn't that it's all owned by the same people and funded by the people they're supposed to be investigating and exposing.
That's not what's wrong with the news media in America today.
He said what's wrong with the newsmedia in America today is each individual journalist has habits of mind.
I'm not kidding.
Not that they manufacture consent because they're paid by the people and that's how they're chosen.
And the people like me would never end up in an editorial.
Anyway, so his new thing is freedom of speech is bad, but what kind of speech do we need?
You ready?
Here we go.
My friend, what does it mean for Elon Musk to privately own the town square?
The nature of the technology is now such that if you are now Elon Musk or a Mark Zuckerberg or others, it is not just owning a newspaper or owning the rail and owning the railroads and owning this and that.
It is specifically this particular kind of straw into the live consciousness of a very large chunk of humanity at all times.
There's studies that have been shown that this power can be used to tilt elections if someone were to want to use it that way.
So wait a minute, Anon.
Let me get this straight.
Thanks for bringing it down.
What you're saying is everyone can talk to everyone.
Anybody could just talk to everyone using social media and it can affect elections, like how a straw works.
That's what you're saying?
Like how a straw works.
Okay.
Believe me, Anand has looked at the studies and he's what he's seen would make your hair turn white and stand on end.
Here we go.
Right now, I mean, I call it winners take all for a reason.
This is the winner's take-all playbook.
First, you just try to make money.
That's the kind of foundational overriding goal.
But if you just do that, you're going to have regulatory pressure.
You're going to have people mad at you after a certain point.
You're going to have all kinds of problems.
And so what you do is you take the spoils of that moneymaking and you buy political influence in Washington.
You fund super PACs.
You fund things like the Federalist Society, different approaches that you know well.
He's talking about what the people he's worked for his entire life, this is what they do.
He's talking about the people he's worked for his entire life.
This is what they do.
They take the money they make with their corporation or their media company, and then they use it to influence politicians.
The people he's worked for his entire life have done that.
Okay.
He's trying to pretend like this is going to be a new thing that Elon Musk is going to do.
Okay.
And then you start investing in rigging the discourse.
It's not enough to just rig law and policy.
You want to rig the discourse.
You want to make sure you control the terms on which people can talk back at you.
I'm curious what the safeguards are at Twitter after this acquisition.
Do people get to read the DMs of the leading dissidents and journalists and regulators in the world?
I have DM'd over the years with people who work in governments, people who have critical positions relative to all kinds of authority.
I'm curious, what are the safeguards preventing the world's richest man?
I'm sure there are.
What are the safeguards right now, Elon?
There aren't any.
Right now, social media is being censored by an opaque cabal of Silicon Valley technocrats who are beholden to the Democratic Party and everybody else.
What are the safeguards?
No, he's not telling you, hey, by the way, there aren't any right now.
But he wants to institute safeguards on your speech.
Hey, Anand, let me ask you, what are the safeguards in a library?
What are the safeguards?
What are the safeguards in a library?
How about in a bookstore?
What are the safeguards at a bookstore?
Hey, Anand, what is this?
What are the safeguards in Central Park?
What are the safeguards there?
Oh, we don't have any safeguards.
We just have the law and the First Amendment.
And if you break the law, there's a problem.
But you want it.
You're not talking about Bray.
He's talking about just unelected technocrats putting restrictions and censoring things the establishment doesn't like.
That's what he means by safeguards.
Isn't that what he means, Max?
It has to be safe for people with political views like him.
I mean, that's what they mean.
Yes.
And, you know, when you talk about rigging elections, using Twitter or other social media platforms to rig elections, that the executives could make a decision which would affect American politics.
They banned the former president who was the presidential frontrunner in 2024.
They banned him.
So you think they're changing politics?
Yeah.
And then I remember the reporting in the Washington Post was like in the Twitter's boardroom, they cried after tears of relief after banning Donald Trump.
Like that's not people who are wanting to shape the electoral map.
I'm not saying I agree with Trump or I want him to win.
I'm just saying this is the reality of what Twitter has done and what this character, he's afraid of just.
Because with his omnipresent leather jacket, he's standing and sitting in front of a dragon.
I mean, it looks like he's like in a downtown Chinese restaurant or something.
I don't know if that's like chic.
I don't know what the dragon is supposed to confer, like some kind of authority, some authority or like dragon blood.
But anyway, yeah, this is what they're trying to protect, the ability to ban the former president if you disagree with him.
And then to go out and claim that, you know, if Elon Musk takes over, he could do the same.
And they're right.
He could do the same.
But that's what's already been happening.
And I should mention, I mean, what really frustrates me is this talking point that I've been seeing again and again this week about hate and the need to moderate to moderate moderation to weed out the hate.
And it's true that there have been hateful, you know, racist elements on Twitter who've been removed, but this is just a distraction from the reality that's been taking place where Scott Ritter, former UN weapons inspector, Marine intelligence officer, was banned from Twitter permanently for questioning the official narrative around Ukraine and specifically what took place in the town of Bucha.
Peter Van Buren, State Department whistleblower, blew the whistle on the U.S. military and State Department, wasting taxpayer money on contractors in Iraq, removed for practically no reason several years ago.
No one even remembers this, that Peter Van Buren was banned.
Daniel McAdams from the Ron Paul Institute, I think one of the best analysts of war and peace from the libertarian side of politics banned from Twitter for no reason that I can see other than that he upset neocons.
And this has been happening again and again.
Venezuelan friends of mine who are Chavistas, who support the socialist government there, booted off Twitter as soon as the U.S. decides to wage an economic war with sanctions on Venezuela.
They were not promulgators of hate.
They were just disrupting the agenda that these people at MSNBC support.
And they're so desperate at MSNBC.
I'm just looking at the YouTube video right now on my browser.
A future of equitable speech terrifies those like Elon Musk, blah, blah, blah.
Look at how many views it has.
24,000 views on this MSNBC segment.
We did a live stream two days ago at the gray zone.
We have far less subscribers than MSNBC.
We did a live stream with a reporter in the Donbass region of the independent Donetsk Republic from Telesur, which is a news network based in Venezuela that has been sanctioned by the U.S. government, Alejandro Kirk.
And our live stream got 40,000 views in just a few hours.
I mean, we doubled the view count in just a few hours of this segment on one of the biggest networks in America with like millions of subscribers.
So they're scared of us.
They're frightened.
And they, I mean, we know what their agenda is.
It's to run out their competition.
And they're afraid.
They're not just afraid of Elon Musk.
It's anyone who will come in and prevent them from enacting that censorious authoritarian agenda.
So let me let me play the rest of this because I wanted to get to he talks about equitable speech.
Let's get to that part.
I'd love to hear what they are.
But this is truly the winners take all world where not just, as you said, not just one form of power, but every form of power is used to purchase the next.
And up to the point where we are fully encircled and democracy itself is suffocated.
I mean, I would not, I would doubt that there would be very many safeguards.
I mean, Elon Musk calls himself a free speech absolutist.
Well, first of all, that's BS because he has a long history of.
Oh my God.
Free speech absolutism is BS because he threatens to wait.
Well, here.
Threatening to sue bloggers who say things he doesn't like about him or who post things about Tesla.
Because he threatens to sue people for defamation.
That's what you're saying.
Because he's threatening to sue people for defamation.
That means he's a free speech absolutism is BS.
Because I guess the one kind of speech that should be defended is defamation, Joy.
Is that what you're saying?
But only when you do it, right?
Not when, okay.
All right, here we go.
Like his history is that it's free speech, sure, but don't say anything about me I don't like because I will sue you.
He also, I think, is showing, I think it's a tell.
And I don't know if you agree with this.
The right has made multiple attempts to remake Twitter.
They've had Getter, which I'm sorry, it does sound like a porn name.
They've had Parlor.
They've had Gab, which is full of Nazis.
They've had all, and it never works because the thing is they don't want to talk to each other.
They want to talk to us.
Ew.
Not only do they want to talk to each other, but they want to talk to us.
Well, she gives the whole game away right there.
She says that Twitter is us.
Yes.
In other words, Twitter is liberals.
That's right.
You're right.
She gives the game away.
That's our Twitter is ours.
Meaning Democrats, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton voters.
Okay, here we go.
They want to talk to the culture.
They want to tell me if they were where black Twitter was not, they would be sad because they couldn't attack black people.
Elon Musk tweeted today.
I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter because that is what free speech means.
Charles Blow had already beat them to the door and said, I'm done.
Lots of people were trying to get on counter social today because counter social is actually moderated.
It doesn't allow people to attack people.
Do you see this as a tell that they can't recreate Twitter?
Because Twitter, without us, without the regular people, isn't useful or entertaining to them.
I think that's very true.
And I also think this free speech issue needs to be unpacked because like a lot of issues promoted by people like this, the actual thing they're saying is not the actual issue.
The concept of free speech, Max, needs to be unpacked.
Did you know, did you hear that?
It's packed too tightly, Max.
You see, when anyone can talk, people can say things that I don't like, like racist slurs or even legitimate criticism.
So we need to unpack the free speech suitcase and dump out the unwashed underwear.
And, you know, then there'll be more room in the suitcase for my awesome hair.
Here we go.
Let's listen to Warren Bank.
So the actual issue, I think, there is a feeling that people like Elon Musk propagate, and it's certainly widespread on the fascist right today, that this is a time of censorship and control and suppression of ideas on the right by these social platforms and other institutions.
Well, what's actually been going on is that there have been.
By the way, it's not just stuff from the right.
He's trying to make it seem like the only kind of censorship that's been happening on social media up until Elon Musk has been they've been censoring stuff on the right.
That's not that's a complete not true.
It's not just right-wing ideas.
It's just ideas.
It's news memes.
It's U.S. presidents.
It's protesters.
Anything Pfizer or the Saudis want removed.
It's a lot of stuff, actually, Anon.
Max, you want to comment?
Yeah, I mean, he's trying to, he's hitting that talking point.
They're trying to create the impression that the only people who've been censored or removed from Twitter have been Nazis with swastikas emblazoned on their chests, except for the Azov Battalion, which is still on Twitter for some reason.
That's right.
So here we go.
More of the watch, here.
Now, here comes the big one.
I buried the lead, but here it comes.
Modest, pretty inadequate, modest, slight efforts by some of these platforms to solve an actual free speech issue, which is that so many human beings feeling so unsafe and being so unsafe when they use these platforms, being bullied, being harassed.
I feel unsafe.
Why doesn't Twitter make me feel safe when I'm talking?
I don't feel safe.
You mean in your apartment?
I'm in my apartment, but I don't feel safe.
Why don't you go into a bunker?
What do you mean you don't feel safe?
I don't feel safe.
I might see something I don't like.
I bet you feel bad reading the New York Times or watching HBO.
I don't feel safe.
I might see something I don't like.
Do you hear what he's saying?
He's saying that it's somehow up to Twitter to make you feel safe.
Well, Jimmy, I think we need to unpack safety.
Here we go.
It's being brigaded, being doxed for the crime of being female or of color or both.
That you were actually drastically limiting the amount of speech out there because people just don't want to play in that kind of sandbox.
And these platforms have understood that and have made faint, modest efforts to address that by saying, let's not have as much Nazism on the platform.
They've made modest efforts, really?
Because I remember when it was, we're just going to ban that one crazy guy, Alex Jones.
And then it was, we're just going to ban that one crazy guy who's a former environmental lawyer and everybody's hero, son of a former presidential candidate, RFK Jr.
It's going to just going to be him and Alex Jones.
Then it was just going to be, oh, that one doctor guy.
Then it was going to be all those doctor guys.
Then it was just that one scientist guy.
Then it was all those scientists guys.
Then it was a weapons inspector.
Then it Was a fucking comedian.
Then it's fucking everybody gets censored for a little bit.
Yep.
Everybody needs a little censorship.
It's not just a hit.
He's trying to make it look like it's just assholes.
That's no, it's everybody who has a different narrative than the establishment.
Well, also, people have been censored for things they said off Twitter.
Alex Jones, and correct me if I'm wrong, was not censored for anything he said on Twitter.
I think it had to do with his comments on Sandy Hook, which he made on his show.
And I remember his Twitter account was just, it was just InfoWars and it was just promoting episodes of Alex Jones' show.
Yeah, and they did it all in conjunction.
They did it all at once.
Yeah, they removed him from Pinterest.
Like he was removed from every platform.
At once.
At once.
And we're all safe now.
We're safe.
I feel safe.
So here, we're still getting to, I still have buried the lead.
Here it comes.
As much misogyny and bullying.
Let's still have a lot of it, but less.
Anyone's ever actually reported a tweet knows that it almost never still is shut down, but they've tried.
And this is what's called censorship.
Elon Musk lives in a world in which the only kind of free speech is white men feeling free to say whatever the hell they want.
And what he doesn't understand.
Just white men.
Is that what he's saying?
Just white men.
So Elon Musk is going to censor people of color, but not white men.
Is that what you're really saying out loud, Anon, you fake fucking Fonzie?
You propagandist manufacturing consent.
You sell out liar.
Is that really what you want us to believe?
Okay, here we go.
Those folks don't understand is speech is actually freer when everybody, everybody not only has the opportunity to have an account and able to afford a phone to be able to tweet, but can feel safe.
Can feel safe, meaning that you get protected from bad words of other people that might hurt your feelings.
No, that's not, that doesn't help free speech, dummy, and you know it.
Do they get to feel safe when they go to a library?
They might read something that upsets them.
Do they get to feel safe when they go to a political speech in Times Square or in Central Park?
Do they have the right that the government has to make them feel safe?
He fucking crazy.
What he means is that people who say stupid shit like him who believe that the same things he does should not be held accountable in public.
And actually, if you look at his behavior on Twitter, he blocks anyone.
He just blocked me today.
He criticizes him.
He blocks anyone who criticizes him, just like instantly.
So here, let's get back.
I still haven't gotten to the part.
Can know that they're not going to get harassed, can know that they're not going to get outed, can know they're not going to get piled on by the astroturfed stands of some very rich man.
And this future in which there would actually be more abundant and equitable speech terrifies the crap out of people like Elon Musk.
Did you hear he said it?
More abundant and equitable speech.
So he's now saying censoring people equals abundant equitable speech.
So now it's not free speech, it's equitable.
And what makes it equitable?
Well, I've censored people under the pretend guise of protecting other people.
That's never why they use censorship, ladies and gentlemen.
They use censorship because you're telling a truth that scares the shit out of them.
They're not afraid of lies.
They're afraid of the truth.
Julian Assange has been in prison for the last 10 years, not because he lied.
They're afraid of his truth.
They don't censor you because you're lying.
They censor you because there's a truth they're afraid of.
And this guy is paid by the billionaire class that wants to keep you censored, stupid, and a willing dupe of the oligarchs because they pay his salary.
That's who Anon is.
And he just equitable speech.
I've never, you mean like more like private equity speech.
Am I right?
I got to give it to him.
Most people wouldn't put in the time to dress up censorship in such a creative way.
But then again, most people wouldn't dip their head in a cotton candy machine every morning.
So go ahead, Max.
Well, he's using a kind of a code with equitable speech, which essentially means the speech of historically oppressed groups has to be protected against those who are historically oppressive, which he referred to explicitly as white men.
White men.
And what he's doing is presuming, first of all, let's leave Elon Musk out of this for a second, that all white men think alike and that all people of color think alike.
And Joy Reed referred to black Twitter as if it's all one thing that agrees with her.
But the fact is that Twitter has gone after prominent black activists and black public figures in the same way that it has gone after white men on the right.
One person that's consistently getting targeted on social media, I'm not saying I agree with him, is Louis Farrakhan, who is one of the most influential and important black leaders in America today.
And he just doesn't count in this just vast stereotyping of people of color or all people according to their racial composition by Anon Geraritis.
Louis Farrakhan's been accounts that have promoted the speeches of Louis Farrakhan have been removed from Twitter and Instagram.
So the censorship is targeting all sorts of people.
What it really comes down to is protecting the speech of people who support the objectives of the dominant wing of the American elite, which is the sort of liberal center and the kind of coastal establishment.
That's what they're saying.
And they're using people of color as a human shield for that reality and obscuring class in all of this.
Exactly right.
Obscuring class.
So let's move on.
I've heard enough from him.
So this is the tweet.
Joy Reid show tweeted out, a future of abundant, equitable speech terrifies people like Elon Musk.
Hey, what about all the targeted harassment Elon Musk's going to get because you guys say that?
Oh, that's okay.
I go, so I retweeted that.
I say, we are losing control of the narrative.
We have to make them not only accept censorship and the silencing of dissent, but embrace it, says the billionaire.
I'll go on MSNBC and call it equitable speech while looking like a gray-haired Fonzie.
Trust me, it'll work.
And what did I get for that?
I got blocked by him.
I guess my tweet wasn't equitable enough for him.
And do you want to know who he so he's on MSNBC right now?
So he's saying all this shit on MSNBC.
They're on MSNBC right now.
And he's saying all this shit about nefarious billionaires in control and they can do whatever they fucking want.
Who owns That's owned by Comcast, MSNBC.
Who owns Comcast?
Let's go Brian L. Roberts.
What?
Huh?
He doesn't own it all.
Well, let's look.
Comcast is described as a family business.
Brian L. Roberts is its chairman, president, and CEO.
One guy.
He is the son of founder Ralph J. Roberts.
Roberts owns or controls 1% of all Comcast shares.
Well, that doesn't sound like a lot.
Why is that bad?
Okay.
But he controls all of the Class B super voting shares, giving him an undiluted 33% full voting power over the company.
So one guy controls it.
He's saying that on MSNBC, where one guy controls the message, which is why Glenn Greenwald has never been on that show since RussiaGate started, which is why Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate have never been on that show on MSNBC ever.
So that this is, I mean, since RussiaGate started.
I saw Max Blumenthal get kicked off MSNBC by Joe fucking hardball.
I saw that.
Yeah.
So he's saying all that shit on a media platform run by this fucking one guy, billionaire.
There's the irony.
That's how you know Anand is a complete tool and an insidious motherfucker.
Like that guy like Anon is worse for you than a guy like Alex Jones because you can see a guy like Alex Jones coming, but a guy like him is there to trick you.
You could, I don't even want to mention Alex Jones because Alex Jones gets shit more than fucking MSNBC.
Let's say Mitch McConnell.
Let's say Mitch McConnell.
I think that guy, Anand, is much more insidious than a guy like Mitch McConnell because you can see Mitch McConnell coming.
You know who he serves.
Anon's whole thing is to trick you.
That's his whole game, to trick you into thinking he's a hip truth teller.
And what he's really there, again, he wouldn't be on this guy's news network if he wasn't manufacturing consent for this guy's interests.
That's who he's propping up.
This guy.
And I like what Katie Herzog said, from this moment forward, I will only be using ethical social media sites like Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok.
And again, no great joke goes unpunished.
Look at all those quote tweets.
This is Twitter, not an airport.
You don't need to announce your departure.
Thanks.
Says 6,000 people who don't understand comedy.
So there's a bunch of them like that.
So there's Anon.
I don't want to spend too much time on Anon, but it's amazing.
And one of my favorite things is exposing Anon.
And anything you want to say at the end of this?
Yeah, just little caveat, which is that there are real reasons to distrust Elon Musk, none of which were laid out by Anon Geritis, Joy Reed, Ari Melber, any of these MSNBC characters.
That's not what they're focusing on.
I mean, his union busting, the fact that he has partnerships with the national security state, which have enriched him, relying on government subsidies while pushing libertarianism, all of the massive failures of his companies in the past, his call for his boasting of some role in the coup in Bolivia in 2019.
These are lithium.
The support for transhumanism, which represents one of the greatest threats to human freedom and individual freedom, which is essentially a merger of humans and machines.
He has a company called Neuralink, which aims to turn the brain into a kind of smartwatch.
I mean, he openly says this.
And then in his statement about what he aimed to do with Twitter, there are some very admirable objectives and goals there.
For example, making the algorithms open to the public, but he also called for authenticating all humans, which sounds like a call for a digital national or international ID.
And that's something that everyone should be aware of, that this could be a Trojan horse for a much more terrifying agenda than we currently understand.
But none of those objections are being made by people who are simply trying to protect the fact that they've turned Twitter into their own power base.
That's right.
They're not, again, just like the Democrats didn't, they didn't criticize Trump for the actual shit that they should criticize him for because they're complicit in it.
And that's why it took so long for the Democrats to finally impeach him because they had to find a crime that they weren't also doing at the same time.
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First up is Boston-based activist, social critic, and host of the Sabby Sabs podcast, which is part of the Revolutionary Blackout Network.
Sabrina Sabby Sabs, welcome back to the show.
Good to see you.
Hi, Jimmy.
Hi, Steph.
Hello.
Great to have you.
I love your show.
I love the theme song to your song.
And it really is catchy.
It is.
Like they say on the American Bandstand.
It's got a good beat and it's easy to dance to.
So I gave it a 90.
So I appreciate you coming on.
I saw you had some thoughts about the way people were covering Nina Turner.
And I had an interesting interaction with Nina Turner today on Twitter I want to tell people about.
So let me just show this video.
This is what Nina Turner said about me, I think, a little while ago, a couple years ago.
And my husband, Jimmy Dore, will be interviewing you soon.
Oh, and I've been...
Now I'm meeting the woman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's behind the operation.
Now I know what all that power comes.
Are you kidding?
I love that man, and I hear you do too.
I do.
So I am thrilled.
All right, I know I'm going to see you in a minute.
Jimmy Door says stuff that I can't say.
I know.
He's my alter eagle.
All right, I see it a little bit.
Thank you.
So she said, I say stuff she can't say, and that I'm her alter ego.
So one of us has changed, and you get to decide which.
So she tweeted this out, right?
So you know what's going on with Nina Turner, right?
So Nina Turner decided to defend the squad during Force the Vote.
And that was this watershed moment.
That was a mask off moment for a lot of people.
And she told us straight up that she's going to disappoint us when she gets, if she gets elected, meaning she's going to act just like the members of the squad are acting and they're not actually using their leverage or power.
That was her words.
That wasn't mine.
And so I've been trying to urge Nina Turner to run third party.
I think, you know, that would be great if she did that.
It would be, it would be a great thing.
So I would hope she did.
So when she tweets out something like this, and then by the way, it's the progressives and caucus in Congress, the Democratic Progressive Caucus in Congress that put the knife in her.
They're the ones not supporting her.
They're endorsing her opponent.
It's not.
So if you're worried about a comedian and a pothead comedian on YouTube, I think you should be more worried about the people in power that you helped get elected who are stabbing her in the front.
So that would be AOC and Pramila J. Apollo and everybody, Corey Bush.
Are any of them standing up for her?
No.
So, but it's still, I've all the power in this situation.
People are going to.
So she tweeted this out today.
So that's why I'm trying to, hey, your friends are the people who you want to join don't want you to join them.
That's my message to her.
Why don't you run third party?
She tweets this out today.
The GOP sure doesn't want Congresswoman Turner in Washington.
Okay.
The problem is that the GOP.
The problem is the Democrats control everything right now and they're not doing shit for anybody.
And the people who you just defended aren't using their leverage to help anybody like they said they would.
They're rolling over for the establishment and now you want to join them.
So the problem isn't the GOP.
The problem is we have two parties that work for the same people and you knew it.
So I retweeted her and I said, FYI, the Congressional Progressive Caucus doesn't want you in Congress because they endorsed her opponent, who's a corporatist.
But I appreciate you have to pretend that the Democrats are somehow on the side of the people instead of what they really are: a pro-war, pro-Wall Street, anti-worker party that you still want progressives to support.
So that's me doing that thing she said.
I'm saying things she can't say because she wants to remain inside the Democratic Party.
She's made her choice.
That's her choice.
So I'm saying the stuff for her.
Like she said.
I thought that she would welcome me to say that.
Because, by the way, she was the keynote speaker at the People's Party's convention less than two years ago.
She was all rah-rah, third party, how corrupt the Democrats are.
And we don't, we got two right-wing parties, the whole deal.
She was saying all that stuff.
She was the keynote speaker at the People's Party convention less than two years ago.
So that's why I've been urging her to run third party.
And that's why I get to tell the truth that she's not allowed to tell.
I thought she would appreciate it.
She did not appreciate it.
She's a politician and you're blocking people covering the news.
That's not a good sign.
You're a politician and you're blocking anybody.
It's not a good sign.
So this is what Black in the Empire said.
Translation: I will still be loyal to the crooks in the Democratic Party, no matter what they do to me.
Please give me a chance.
GOP bad, okay?
And then someone also said, Hey, LOL, what?
Why would she limit who can view her tweets?
Why wouldn't she want everybody to see her tweet?
I'm giving her more press.
Thousands and thousands of more people are going to see her tweet because I retweeted it.
Why would she block it?
So let me bring in Sabby.
What would I know you have an opinion on this, and so I'd love to hear it.
I think it's important for people to know that the Democratic Party chooses who they want.
So right now, they've chosen Chantel Brown and the Progressive Caucus has chosen Chantel Brown.
And this isn't the first time.
I mean, we've watched them do this to Bernie Sanders two election cycles in a row.
I should have known better.
I should have known the DNC was never going to let Bernie Sanders be the nominee.
So for people who are wondering why the squad has not endorsed Nina Turner, I'm willing to bet that they have already been told not to endorse Nina Turner because the Democratic Party is not moving in that direction.
They have chosen Chantel Brown.
So for people who continue to want to put progressives through the Democratic Party, well, my question to them is, then why aren't you focusing on getting money out of politics?
Because the reason why the politicians in DC don't do anything for us is because they answer to their donors and they answer to corporations.
So that should be the primary focus if they want to use that strategy.
I, for one, I'm done with the strategy.
It's not working because the money is still a problem.
So even if you have a grassroots candidate that went in and won and got elected, it doesn't matter because the speaker of the house is Nancy Pelosi and she loves to take corporate money.
So they're always going to run into this issue.
And I was reading about this recently about Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders raised over $100 million.
Do you guys know what that money could have done for mutual aid?
We could have actually helped people immediately in this country instead of donating that money to a politician and hoping that they get elected and hoping that they create legislation to get those policies passed.
Nothing has happened for us.
Nothing has improved for the American people.
I was just with Rome from RBN doing tour for the poor.
There is now a mini skid row in Boston.
It is depressing to see the homeless population has increased and we have so many people divided over left versus right.
And what I keep telling people on my show is you need to focus on the class issue.
We need to focus on the top 1% versus the rest of us that we're nowhere near to that, but they don't want us to do that.
They want us to be divided over left versus right.
Well, you actually commented on this because Nina Turner goes on some shows and you were actually watching an interview she did on Kyle and Crystal and you had a reaction to it.
So I'm going to play a little bit of that here.
Bernie Sanders isn't even passionate about his own damn movement anymore.
So you're trying to get that to happen and you're ignoring the fact that people are in worse economic situations now than they were when Bernie ran before.
We have this pandemic.
People are unemployed.
More people are unhoused.
And you're telling people to donate their money to these politicians and do this same damn strategy for them to go into a party that is owned by Wall Street.
It's not about the individuals.
Some of those candidates have been on this show.
It's not about the people, goddamn it.
It's about the system that they're going into.
It's about the corruption.
It's about the money.
And Crystal and Kyle damn well know that shit.
That's what pisses me off.
Pathetic on the one hand to those who have almost conceded to the nihilism because I get where that urge comes from and everybody on their worst days feels like that.
Not once in this discussion do they mention the alternative.
I don't see them trying to get out in the streets.
They want to talk about people need to organize.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Rome travels across this country doing tour for the poor, feeding and clothing homeless people.
I didn't see Crystal Ball cover that shit.
Did you?
No, they don't talk about it because it doesn't fit their brand.
Because if they talk about it, the first thing their audience will ask, why aren't you doing that?
Why aren't you getting out there helping?
Why aren't you going out there in the streets with all the resources that you have and trying to start a mutual aid organization?
Why didn't you tell us about this?
Instead of giving $100 million to Bernie Sanders, do you know what that money could have done to help people with mutual aid in this country?
That's what this is about.
So he says he sort of understands.
He doesn't understand.
Kyle Kalinsky's not poor, hasn't been poor.
He doesn't fucking get it.
Period.
Okay, so that was well said, I think.
And I get your point.
I share your enthusiasm for that point.
And there's a new buzzword going around calling people who are done supporting our oppressors.
We're supposed to, we're called nihilists.
So they're calling us political nihilism.
No, it's political realism.
And what those people are practicing is access journalism and wanting to be part of the group.
They want to be as far left as you can be inside the Democratic Party.
That's what those people want, just like AOC.
And so that's what's happening.
What do you make of the people who say we're nihilists?
I think they're doing what helps their brand.
I mean, a lot of people, they did grow during Bernie Sanders' two campaigns.
So that is a reality.
And then when Bernie Sanders decided to suspend his campaign, well, then it was like, well, what do you do now?
Because Trump lost and Joe Biden won.
And they're still trying to get us to push progressives through the Democratic Party, even though the squad, they're not fighting for us.
They're not doing anything.
And I want people to know.
No.
And I want people to know the people who do fight and do push back, they are gone.
Cynthia McKinney, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, they're gone.
They're not going to let you stay.
And that's what I want people to really understand.
So what we're asking people to do at RBN, instead of putting 80% of your focus into electoral politics and 20% into mutual aid and direct action, we're saying flip that.
Do 80% direct action and mutual aid and 20% focus on electoral politics.
And even with electoral politics, I really asked people to focus more on the local level because that's where you can create the most change.
I've talked to a number of people who don't know who their city counselors are.
City council, they control the budget.
So that's important things for people to know and ballot initiatives as well.
That's how we passed legalization of marijuana here in Massachusetts.
So I really want people to just shift their focus for once.
And I know that's not easy for a lot of people to do because we've been so conditioned to do things the electoral way.
But if you look at the movements in this country that have happened, they didn't happen through electoral politics.
The civil rights movement did not happen through electoral politics.
The women's rights movement did not happen through electoral politics.
So that's where I want people to start thinking and thinking about the fact that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, neither of them have solved the poverty issue that we have in this country.
And that's why we still have a big class divide.
That's very well said.
People need to remember that, right?
The civil rights movement, right, went through Martin Luther King and people like that.
And you're right about women's rights.
It's such a great point.
And Chris Hedges has been saying this for years, ever since Bernie Sanders' first campaign for president.
He's been saying that we have to walk away from these two parties and we have to find another way.
And, you know, this idea of voting for the lesser of two evil leads us to Donald Trump.
And that's what people don't want to realize and they don't want to accept.
And so that's why they had to create a evidence-free conspiracy theory that breadbaited everybody who was their political enemy called Russia Gate and even said that the president of the United States was a traitor to our country, but they just couldn't get the evidence and put him in jail.
So that's the establishment.
And that's why they have to do censorship now, because all they have left, their policies are manifest failures.
80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck before the pandemic.
Half the country is poor, low income right now.
That's called a failed system.
So they don't have anything left except sheep herding you back into the Democratic Party with people like Nina Turner, AOC, people who say the things you want to hear and then get immediately absorbed into the corporate pro-war pro-Wall Street Party and do their bidding, which is exactly what AOC and the squad are doing.
They're doing the bidding of Nancy Pelosi.
Who does Nancy Pelosi serve?
She serves Goldman Sachs.
She serves the military industrial complex, big pharma and the health insurance companies and the energy.
That's who 40% of all the money spent on politicians comes from Wall Street, right?
The next big sector is healthcare and big pharma.
That's it.
And that's who you're not allowed to criticize.
Big pharma during the COVID, you're not allowed to criticize.
They will shut you down.
So when you go into that party, it's all over.
And that's been the lesson of the Justice Democrats, which Kyle Kalinsky and Jenkins Uger provided a very valuable service in that regard.
It's not a failure, the Justice Democrats.
It's a warning.
They've created the ultimate warning sign for progressives that look what happens, even when you get the best people involved.
And they get into that, just like Shama Sawant says, the road for progressives into the Democratic Party leads to a graveyard.
And that is the point of my tweet.
And I was trying to say what Nina Turner isn't allowed to say.
And she blocked me for it.
That's how far she's gone.
She's sitting there defending the people who are stabbing her in the front right now.
I didn't endorse her.
I didn't endorse her opponent.
I didn't endorse her opponent.
That's what her friends did in Congress, that she defended around forced to vote and made activists seem like they were out of line for demanding that our politicians who we helped get elected were selling us out.
And she gaslit us into thinking we should shut up.
And that's what's wrong with Nina Turner.
And that's what she's revealing by blocking me.
That's what gets revealed.
Hey, I'm not friends with her.
I'm not friends with any politician anymore.
That's a mistake to think that politicians are your friends.
That's a mistake.
A lot of people make it.
I was one of them.
But I'm going to call out any politician, especially someone like Nina Turner, who is supposed to be our defender and fighter.
And what she really did when the time came, and you saw it happen, Sabby, when the time came around, forced the vote, she turned on the activist base and she defended the politicians.
And I can't ever forget about that.
Can you forget about that, Sabby?
No, I can't.
And I can't forget about it because I remember during that time seeing them come and pull bodies out of my apartment building.
This was all during the pandemic.
And some people didn't experience this, but I was right here in Boston and we were shut down for quite a while, actually.
So I saw bodies come out.
And I think seeing that just, it really does something to you.
And seeing them not even want to try to fight for Medicare for all, it really made me feel some kind of way.
It's like they didn't even care.
They were more worried about their careers and worried about, oh, we're going to do this different strategy.
And when Max Blumenthal interviewed Corey Bush at the Capitol, when he asked her, like, why didn't you force the vote?
Her response was, well, that's Bernie Sanders and Pramila Jayapal's bill.
Excuse me, but you, you ran on it.
You said you were going to fight for Medicare for all.
Now you're trying to pass the buck and blame Bernie Sanders and Pramila Jayapal.
It's a constant rotating villain.
They have to have somebody else to point to instead of taking responsibility themselves.
And a lot of people will not call them out on it because they want to maintain access to them.
And it's unfortunate.
I think the only person I've seen really push back on them when they've come on and more recently with Rokana is Breonna Joy Gray.
But other than that, no, they don't really push back on them because they want to maintain access to them.
They would never come on my show.
You're saying this stuff about Corey Bush and AOC and Nina Turner because it's obvious you're a misogynistic racist.
I know they can't use that one with me.
But they will say they have told me they can't, but they have told me I'm actually a part of a red-brown alliance.
All of us at RDM, by the way.
We're secret right-wingers.
I'm like, really?
This is news to me.
Like, they're voting for Joe Biden.
They're voting for the biggest racist, fascist, authoritarian war criminal in the country at this moment.
That's who they're voting for.
And they're calling someone else that isn't pure enough for them.
They're pledging their support to that stuff.
It's terrible.
I think they need to realize, and I think I'm going to do a panel on this one day.
I think we need to hear from people who canvassed for AOC and Bernie Sanders and other members of the squad who were on the ground knocking on doors and people who donated a lot of money to them.
Because I did a call-in show on Friday, and I got to tell you, the topic was Bernie Sanders' 2024 possible rhyme.
Jimmy, the call, the callers were not feeling it.
No, they were not feeling it.
I don't need to hear Bernie for two years go, Donald Trump is the most corrupt, racist, misogynist, sounding just like every other fucking jackass running for president.
That's what Bernie Sanders sounded like in 2020, like every other jackass Democrat.
And then he, and he was, and his good friend, Joe Biden.
Joe Biden, who was, by the way, caused way more damage to this country than Donald Trump.
I know people like to hear that, but that's a fact.
But that's his good friend.
So that's who Bernie is.
He's a partisan, which I think is one of the creepiest things you can be.
Agreed.
And the fact that Bernie Sanders left his movement, he suspended his campaign and told us to vote for Joe Biden and then just walked away from his own movement.
That really said something to me that at the end of the day, his loyalty was going to be with the Democratic Party.
That's right.
He was supposed to be independent.
That's right.
His loyalty is to the Democratic Party and the establishment, not to you and not to his movement, his movement.
Barack Obama, same thing when he got elected.
He had a movement of young people.
Guess what he did?
He disbanded them.
Same thing with Bernie Sanders.
As soon as he drops out of the primary, he disbands his movement, tells them to do nothing except listen to what Joe Biden is saying.
Nothing.
He tells them to do nothing.
Same thing with AOC.
She's got 12 million Twitter files.
She tells them to do nothing.
Nothing.
You know who's getting stuff done?
Chris Malls.
That's who's doing something.
Anyway, all right, we have to run.
I really appreciate you making time for us.
Thank you very much.
Everybody, check out Sabby Sam's show on YouTube.
It's one of my faves.
Thanks.
Talk to you later.
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Jimmy is President Joe Biden.
It's Wednesday, so I thought I'd give you a call.
I figured I'd...
I have no doubt, Mr. President.
You know, I heard a rumor that you're considering canceling student debt after all.
Fucking what?
Yeah.
You had a meeting with the Hispanic Congressional Caucus on Monday, and someone at the meeting said you appeared, quote, positive about relieving student debt.
God damn it.
I cashed Jen Shacky with walking that back, but I guess I got to do it my own damn self.
Okay.
Yeah, I throw him a bone.
I throw a lot of people a lot of bones.
The bone tosser.
That's what they used to call me back on the main streets of Dover, Delaware.
That's where I'm from, right?
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