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	Hey, we've got more dates for our 2022 stand-up tour.
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	Hey, this is Jimmy.
	Who is this?
	Seamus.
	Hello.
	This is Liam Nason.
	How are you, my old friend?
	I'm doing well.
	Thanks for asking.
	How are you doing?
	Jimmy, I'm heartbroken.
	Well, why is that?
	I'm heartbroken over the state of affairs in our world.
	Once again, the dark specter of war has descended onto our fragile sphere.
	Yeah, Liam, there have been wars waging constantly over the past decade that no one pays a lick of attention to.
	Sadly, this may be true.
	Such is the nature of man.
	But this war is now all over the news.
	So I, like so many other concerned citizens of Earth, am forced to contemplate it.
	Right, okay.
	I stand with the brave, beleaguered people of Ukrainia, as well as those citizens of Russia who do not want this unspeakable violence committed in their name.
	The people of both nations have a special place in my heart.
	Why?
	Because you film movies there?
	No, because they look like me.
	So the Yemeni people don't have a special place in your heart then.
	The who now?
	ah ah ah The citizens of Yemen.
	There have been a brutal and destructive proxy war going on there for years now.
	I'm not familiar with that place.
	Sounds like one of those countries that if I were depicted, if it were depicted in one of my films, it would be made to look like a dangerous hellhole.
	Stay away, Western man.
	Steer clear.
	Here be dragons.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's the place.
	Well, I'm sure the world is glad for your concern, Liam.
	Thank you, Jimmy.
	That means a great deal.
	But I'm not here to offer mere concern.
	Oh, really?
	What else?
	I'm here to offer my service.
	Service as what, as an actor?
	As an international symbol of celebrity, a bringer of peace, an informal diplomat.
	And yes, if the situation so requires a thespian.
	I see.
	Well, how do you see this working out exactly?
	Well, perhaps I could get involved in peace talks personally.
	I cut a very imposing figure in real life, I assure you.
	I'm not to be trifled with.
	Do you have any background in that sort of thing, though, Liam?
	Not officially, no, but how hard could it be?
	Exactly.
	The Ukrainian president himself started out in entertainment.
	A comedian, Jimmy, like you.
	I saw the most delightful clip of him the other day, where he and three of his comrades in laughter were all playing Havanaguela on the piano with, get this, their flaccid members.
	Which, like all good comedies, distasteful on many levels.
	Well, I'm certainly offended by that as a comedian.
	Precisely.
	So I'm already swimming in familiar waters.
	All right.
	Say you were involved in the peace talks, Liam.
	What would you say to the Russian delegation?
	I speak to Putin and Putin alone.
	Really?
	How do you figure?
	I'm Liam Nason, for Christ's sakes.
	I'm not going to spend my time with some underling who'll be beneath me.
	Bring me Putin.
	All right, then, what would you say to him?
	Listen to me very carefully, Putin.
	This madness has gone on long enough.
	Diplomacy must take over at this point.
	You and this phallic jester Zelensky must work out this situation like gentlemen for the good of both you and your nations.
	Yeah, and what if Putin asks what you, Liam Neeson, have to offer in return?
	By even agreeing to this good faith gesture, you have won yourself and your citizens the following boon.
	I, actor Liam Nason, will perform pro bono, my one-man play for seven nights at the Mariinsky Theater in St. Petersburg.
	No other menu.
	It's entitled Tuskbreaker 2, Rise of the Mastodons, which is a dramatization of an action film that is a sequel to a movie that does not exist, but I like to pretend it did.
	And do you think that would work?
	Only a madman, a megalomaniac, would turn down such a deal.
	I have to imagine that even Vladimir Putin has enough sense and humanity to see the wisdom in this move.
	Well, it sounds great.
	I say you send you, we should send you over there.
	I'm way ahead of you, Jimmy.
	I've arranged for a private mercenary firm to smuggle me across the border, where I will emerge somewhere in the Donetsk province, Cologne, with enough provisions and tactical gear to survive on my own for a week.
	In that amount of time, my various movie roles have provided me enough training to reach the proper parties and make contact.
	Well, good luck and Godspeed, Liam.
	And look out for the Nazis on the area.
	You know, they don't mess around.
	Nazis?
	Nobody told me the Krauts were involved.
	I'll make short shrift of them as well along the way.
	No, actually, Liam.
	You know what?
	Never mind.
	Good luck, Liam.
	Slanta, Jimmy.
	Did I mention I was drunk as a skunk?
	Okay.
	establishment media sucks all gaslighting so good luck bullshit we can't afford fomenting this watch and see as the jack off the medium speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on it's the chimney tour show so i just want to bring you up to date and show you that the situation we're in in the ukraine with in ukraine with russia was not only avoidable but
	it was predicted by every expert who ever talked about it.
	And then, of course, Joe Biden.
	in the United States just ignored all that and it's the it's it's as if the United States and NATO wanted a confrontation like this to happen in Ukraine it's as if so I'll show you here's what Aaron Mate's tweeted out he says condemnations of Putin without acknowledging that the conflict started in 2014 are meaningless United States backed the Maidan coup in 2014 and fueled the ensuing Donbass War where 14,000
	plus have died with the united states weapons so i'm going to show you a video where lindsey graham and john mccain brag about and adam schiff brag about arming those people in the donbass to fight russia russians invasion is a new phase it's illegal but not of not out of the blue and so this
	gentleman did a twitter thread he said most fascinating thing about the ukraine war is the sheer number of top strategic thinkers who warned for years that it was coming if we continue down the same path no one listened
	to them and here we are small compilation uh oh so this it goes from kissinger to here's the first guy this first guy's name is a mersheimer and i never heard of this guy before but this is a speech he gave in june 2015 and he's considered like the leading guy on foreign policy and international politics and stuff and he gave this speech so this is like what seven years ago and so well let's learn to what he has to say.
	What got us to this point.
	But I actually think that what's going on here is that the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path.
	And the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked.
	And I believe that the policy that I'm advocating, which is neutralizing Ukraine and then building it up economically and getting it out of the competition between Russia on one side and NATO on the other side, is the best thing that could happen to the Ukrainians.
	What we're doing is encouraging the Ukrainians to play tough with the Russians.
	We're encouraging the Ukrainians to think that they will ultimately become part of the West because we will ultimately defeat Putin and we will ultimately get our way.
	Time is on our side.
	And of course, the Ukrainians are playing along with this.
	And the Ukrainians are almost completely unwilling to compromise with the Russians and instead want to pursue a hardline policy.
	Well, as I said to you before, if they do that, the end result is that their country is going to be wrecked.
	And it's happening.
	What we're doing is, in effect, encouraging that outcome.
	I think it would make much more sense for us to neutralize, to work to create a neutral Ukraine.
	It would be in our interest to bury this crisis as quickly as possible.
	It certainly would be in Russia's interest to do so.
	And most importantly, it would be in Ukraine's interest to put an end to the crisis.
	Thank you.
	Interesting that you never hear that guy on the MSNBCs or the CNNs or even the Fox News.
	I don't ever heard that guy anywhere.
	Do you ever hear that guy anywhere, Max?
	Well, there's a reason, and it isn't necessarily related to Ukraine or Russia.
	It's that he co-authored a book along with another top international relations professor Stephen Walt called The Israel Lobby.
	I don't know if you remember that.
	No, I don't remember that, but that's it.
	He's dead now.
	It was a best-selling book.
	It was really the first book by two of the top IR scholars in the U.S. on the existence of an Israel lobby.
	And then they were painted as anti-Semites.
	Like the whole campaign that we saw against Jeremy Corbin was sort of rolled out against them.
	And they had their reputations destroyed day after day by people like Atlantic editor and former Israeli prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg.
	So Mearsheimer's already been kind of marginalized.
	And that's maybe why you don't see him on MSNBC, although he is so much more distinguished and has far more credentials than the clowns you see on there, like Michael McFaul.
	So there's one amazing expert who you would never think that.
	Even watching other YouTube shows, you would never think like, wait a minute, we intentionally pursued this path that was going to lead to this confrontation, knowing that the Ukraine people were going to pay the price, and we are hanging them out to dry.
	And we encourage this.
	So you're, again, it's amazing to me that you're not going to hear this anywhere else except on the gray zone or maybe Aaron's feed, Twitter feed.
	I haven't heard anybody, I haven't seen it, anybody else covering this correctly in the United States.
	Oh, I saw Glenn Greenwald did it.
	Okay.
	He did a good job.
	But are you stuck?
	I have some more experts I'm going to show you that say basically the same thing.
	And because I just want to make the case, it's overwhelming.
	But how I mean, I'm shocked, actually.
	I know, I can't believe I am.
	Maybe I'm, it's because I'm naive and stupid and gullible.
	And I thought that people learned a lesson from Iraq or Syria or Libya or Afghanistan.
	They haven't.
	Are you as stunned as I am with the poor media coverage?
	Not after Russia Gate.
	This was all kind of, I got to say, this is kind of expected.
	I'm a little bit, well, we can talk about it.
	I'm a little bit shocked at how I think, you know, even I would imagine even the Russian security apparatus is a little bit shocked by how emotionally the West is reacting.
	And they're basing all their decisions on hysteria, including kicking Russian students out of universities, punishing Russian artists for refusing to publicly condemn Putin.
	There's a, you know, the most famous hockey player here in Washington, Ovechkin.
	He's Russian.
	There's enormous pressure on him from the sports media to denounce Putin publicly.
	You know, Texas and the Texas Restaurant Association has banned all Russian products.
	A friend of mine who teaches in New Jersey public schools sent me bulletins where they're doing talks for the students on how to support Ukraine in like public schools.
	I mean, it's gotten, I mean, we watched the State of the Union last night where, you know, if you weren't wearing blue, you had to wear yellow or yellow and blue for with the Ukrainian flag.
	AOC had a little like pendant on for Ukraine.
	And there was a clip in honor of Operation Paperclip, I guess, holding it to her shirt.
	But I mean, just it's almost like we have to all be Ukraine firsters.
	And that, I mean, that's a little bit, that's a little bit over the top.
	I guess I didn't expect that, along with all the other, you know, meaningful decisions, emptying the tank on sanctions, like removing Russia from the SWIFT system, targeting the Russian central bank.
	All of this will come back to bite the U.S. economy.
	And the fact is, most Americans care more about gas prices and inflation than they do about fighting for some oligarchic autocracy thousands of miles away.
	Here's Noam Chomsky.
	Here's what he has to say.
	This was predicted.
	I think this is from 2015, maybe.
	Here we are.
	The idea that Ukraine might join a Western military alliance would be quite unacceptable to any Russian leader.
	This goes back to 1990 when the Soviet Union collapsed.
	There was a question as to what would happen with NATO.
	Gorbachev agreed to allow Germany to be unified and to join NATO.
	It's a pretty remarkable concession with a quid pro quo that NATO would not expand one inch to the east.
	That was the phrase that was used.
	So Russia has been provoked.
	Well, what happened?
	NATO instantly moved to East Germany.
	Then Clinton came along, expanded NATO right to the borders of Russia.
	Now, there are the new Ukrainian government, the government after the overthrow of the preceding one of the parliament voted, I think, 300 to 80 or something like that to move to join NATO.
	But you can understand why they would want to join NATO.
	You can see why Petro Parashenko's government would probably see that it's protecting his country.
	No, no, it's not protecting.
	Crimea was taken away after the overthrow of the government.
	Right.
	And he's not protecting Ukraine, Is threatening Ukraine with major war.
	That's not protection.
	The point is, this is a serious strategic threat to Russia, which any Russian leader would have to react to.
	That's well understood.
	So that's predictable, predictable, exactly, happening exactly what he said.
	And now here's Stephen Cohen, who's recently passed, was leading scholar on Russia.
	He was, I think we had him on our show a few times.
	So here he is.
	If we move the forces, NATO forces, including American troops, toward Russia's borders, where will we be then?
	I mean, it's obviously going to militarize the situation and therefore raise the danger of war.
	And I think it's important to emphasize, though I regret saying this, Russia will not back off.
	This is existential.
	Too much has happened.
	Putin, and it's not just Putin.
	We seem to think Putin runs the whole of the universe.
	He has a political class.
	That political class has opinions.
	Public support is running overwhelmingly in favor of Russian policy.
	Putin will compromise at these negotiations, but he will not back off if confronted militarily.
	So these are the smarty pantsies guys in the world that know about this situation the most.
	And they all predicted this is going to happen if the United States keeps pursuing this policy.
	And of course we did.
	And so did the Ukraine government, which had no interest in negotiating.
	And I wonder why.
	Because the West didn't want them to, because they wanted to force this.
	Here's some more.
	Here's another expert.
	Most recently, right before the war broke out, this is famous economist Jeffrey Sachs.
	We've shown Jeffrey Sachs on this show many times.
	And he told the truth about Syria on MSNBC, and the whole network almost melted down.
	So Jeffrey Sachs is writing a column in the FT, what is that, for foreign, whatever.
	Financial Times.
	Financial Times warning that NATO enlargement is utterly misguided and risky.
	True friends of Ukraine and global peace should be calling for the United States and NATO compromise with Russia.
	So there's Jeffrey Sachs.
	Here's someone else.
	Here's CIA Director Bill Burns in 2008.
	He said Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for Russia.
	And I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine and NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.
	Here's another expert, Malcolm Frassener, Fraser or Fraser, 22nd Prime Minister of Australia, warned in 2014 that the move east by NATO is provocative, unwise, and a very clear signal to Russia.
	He adds that this leads to a difficult and extraordinarily dangerous problem.
	So we created this problem.
	Former U.S. Defense Secretary Bob Gates in his 2015 memoir said moving so quickly to expand NATO was a mistake.
	Trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO was truly overreaching and an especially monumental provocation.
	So we've been provoking this, and every expert who's looked at it or commented on it has said so.
	Except you never see any of this in the news right now.
	And so people are running around like morons, pledging their unity with the people of Ukraine, and they don't realize they're propping up a Nazi organization that just imprisoned all the opposition newspapers and their opposition political leader.
	Did you know that they did that?
	Yeah.
	So here's another one.
	Paul Keating, a former Australian prime minister in 1997, said expanding NATO is an error, which may rank in the end with the strategic miscalculations which prevented Germany from taking its full place in the international system in the early 20th century.
	Here's Sir Roderick Lynn, former British ambassador to Russia.
	He warned a year ago that pushing Ukraine into NATO is stupid on every level.
	He adds, if you want to start a war with Russia, that's the best way of doing it.
	So here's another one.
	Oh, this is from Pat Buchanan.
	In his 1999 book, A Republic, Not an Empire, he said, by moving NATO onto Russia's front porch, we have scheduled a 21st century confrontation.
	And here it is.
	So I'll stop there for a moment and bring Max back in.
	And I still can't get over my jaws agape at just the journalistic malfeasance that's being perpetrated on the people of the United States right now.
	The propaganda that they're being bombarded with at every turn is overwhelming.
	I mean, I don't know how a normal person, like if I didn't study this, if I was just a regular comedian, I probably wouldn't know anything.
	I would think the same thing.
	But it just keeps happening.
	We keep inventing a new boogeyman.
	There's never not a boogeyman for the United States.
	And why did we want to get Ukraine into NATO?
	Many reasons.
	A big one is so that we could sell them weapons, because once you get into NATO, you have a certain amount of military hardware you have to maintain.
	And so that's why we expanded to all those countries.
	NATO is not a defensive organization anymore.
	Anyway, let me throw it over to Max.
	Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think Ukraine is a Nazi organization or that its population are majority Nazi-like people or that they even approve of the Nazis in their midst.
	But even if a president like Vladimir Zelensky wanted to, and he did run on a kind of peace ticket with no shortage of support from the Russian-speaking population, even if he had wanted to follow the Minsk Accords or the Steinmeier formula cooked up by the German foreign minister to de-escalate along the border with the breakaway republics and the Donbass,
	the U.S. was right behind him, pushing for conflict, sending in billions of dollars of weapons, sending in thousands of U.S. troops, U.S. trainers, who have actually worked with the neo-Nazi militias and worked with the most extreme elements on the ground.
	You have people in the Biden administration like Michael Carpenter, who shepherded around the founder of two fascist parties in Ukraine, Andrei Perubi to Washington on a lobbying trip.
	The U.S. has been pushing Ukraine into conflict.
	The U.S. was behind the 2014, 2013-14 Maidan coup, which brought in this government in order to push it into NATO and to drive conflict with Russia.
	And what Americans don't understand and what they're not told is what it means for a country on Russia's border to belong to NATO, which is a permanent war alliance, which has no reason to exist in its current Incarnation after the Cold War, except to encircle, threaten, and contain Russia and push for conflict.
	And now it's moving towards conflict with China.
	It's getting active in the South China Sea.
	It's getting active even in Colombia on the Venezuelan border.
	That's how much NATO is expanding with its partner states.
	What does that mean?
	It means you have dual-use missile systems on your border, if you're Russia, pointed at you.
	You have armies that are trained to fight your soldiers on your borders.
	So there's actually a really good speech on YouTube by another academic, a Russian academic who's actually kind of a liberal, Vladimir Posner, who poses a scenario before an American audience, something that no one could do on U.S. cable news that is so instructive and important.
	It's a thought exercise that everyone should be doing right now.
	What if Russia had an alliance with other powerful countries, let's say China and India maybe, and they put troops on the U.S. border and began training Mexico's military to fight the U.S. and put dual-use missile systems that could reach U.S. cities on the U.S.-Mexico border.
	What would the United States do?
	And what would Americans ask their leadership and their military to do if they were threatened in that way?
	Now, what if those troops happened to also be ideologically, some of them, let's say a substantial percentage, 20%, happened to be ideologically neo-Nazi and wanted to murder and commit genocide against a part of the American population?
	I don't know if neo-Nazi is the right thing, but ideologically, let's say they were ideologically anti-black and wanted to murder black people.
	Because that's a really good analog for the neo-Nazi forces in the so-called gray zone in Ukraine on the front lines in Donbass, who really do want to murder Russian speakers and have done so, who have committed pogroms against Russian speakers, as well as Roma people and minorities and gay people and so on.
	So that's the scenario that we should think about.
	What would the U.S. do?
	What did the U.S. do during the Cuban missile crisis?
	The Pentagon joint chiefs were calling for a nuclear attack on Cuba.
	And it was only thanks to the Kennedy brothers that that didn't happen for the most part and detente with Khrushchev.
	So that's what Russia is facing when we put NATO or try to put NATO in Ukraine.
	And yes, Ukraine is not officially a part of NATO.
	I don't think NATO would actually want them because it's such a corrupt and impoverished country, especially under this post-coup regime.
	But it's been effectively NATOized by all of these U.S. weapons systems, U.S. troops coming in there, and Russia has finally acted.
	And just one quick other point, something Aaron raised, Aaron Mate raised in his tweet about something that you will not hear in U.S. media is that the Donbass has been the site of some 14,000 dead, many thousands more wounded.
	Most of those dead have been on the Russian-speaking side, the so-called pro-Russian separatist side.
	And these are just average people who've been caught in a conflict, who've been shelled by the Ukrainian military and neo-Nazi paramilitaries year after year after year as the Ukrainian government, most recently Zelensky, the hero of U.S. media, violates every part of the peace process and keeps the war going.
	So this is just continuing endlessly.
	And there's no reason to come on here and endorse the Russian military incursion.
	But this is the context for understanding it and the context that the U.S. media consumer is getting.
	If you want to be a sheep and watch MSNBC all the time and watch people like Michael McFaul, who actually helped conceive this disastrous policy of containment, you're going to hear that Vladimir Putin has maybe has brain cancer and long COVID and is sitting at 40-foot-long tables from his advisors because he's gone completely mad and is this isolated doctor skeletor villain in his in his Kremlin psycho
	castle in a padded room alone seeking to restore the Soviet Union.
	The whole conflict has been boiled down to and reduced to one figure who is being painted as insane in order to paper over all of the real issues and the direct responsibility of NATO in fueling this conflict.
	It is NATO expansion that is the root of all evil here.
	And that's what Americans need to understand.
	So I just want to show people what, because nobody in the United States can find Ukraine on a map.
	So here it is.
	And so this is the part.
	So after the 2014 Maidan coup, these people didn't want to go along with the coup to just overthrew their democratically elected government.
	So they were fighting to not go along with it.
	And so the government of Ukraine and their Azov battalion, which is a neo-Nazi battalion, has been shelling and killing 14,000 of these people in the last eight years.
	But there was an agreement for them to stop in 2014 called the Mix Agreements.
	And there was supposed to be a ceasefire.
	They're supposed to withdraw their military from that area.
	And they were supposed to hold elections and let those people who live in this area have more autonomy.
	They didn't do any of that.
	They just keep killing them.
	And so that's why the spokesperson for Russia government said the other day that Putin is, his actions are to end a war.
	He's not starting a war.
	That's what they're Russian.
	And that makes a lot of sense.
	Now, again, I want to go back and say when I said that people are being duped into solidarity with the Ukraine people, which is a good thing.
	Nobody wants to see people be a victim of a war.
	But what unwittingly, people are propping up a government that's unbelievably corrupt and in bed with neo-Nazis.
	So that's what I mean.
	I don't mean the people of Ukraine are neo-Nazi.
	I mean that their government is unbelievably corrupt and was the result of overthrow of a democratically elected government.
	We helped do that, the United States.
	And then we kept funding their shelling and killing of these people here.
	We kept funding it.
	You want to see how I know this?
	Because, well, here's Adam Schiff admitting it.
	The United States aids Ukraine and her people so that we can fight Russia over there and we don't have to fight Russia here.
	Yeah, so it wasn't like Putin woke up one morning and decided to invade Ukraine.
	This has been just we've they've been warned against doing this for decades and we kept doing it.
	And here's here's Lindsey Graham and John McCain going over there in this area that I just pointed out to you, talking to those people who were killing Ukrainians.
	And here's what they're saying, here's what they said.
	I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.
	Eurofide is our fight.
	And Klobuchar.
	2017 will be the year of offense.
	All of us will go back to Washington and we will push the case against Russia.
	2017 will be the year of offense for them against Russia.
	That's what he's saying.
	And we're going to go back to Washington.
	We're going to try and help you in this war.
	There's supposed to be a ceasefire agreement.
	The United States endorsed it.
	So did France.
	So did Russia.
	So did Germany.
	They're not abiding by it.
	And who's there?
	these two warmongering maniacs that keep funding them and keep funding that war and the slaughter of those people.
	Enough of a Russian aggression.
	It is time for them to pay a heavier price.
	It is time for Russia to pay a heavier price.
	You know who's going to pay the heavy price?
	The people of Ukraine are paying the heavy price.
	That's who's paying.
	The people in the Donbass area have been paying a heavy price for the last eight years.
	And now all of Ukraine is going to be paying a price for this kind of warmongering craziness.
	Yeah.
	Lindsey Graham's not paying a price.
	He's actually getting campaign contributions from the Lockheed Martin and Raytheon death dealers that are making a fortune off of Ukraine being an imperial outpost for the U.S. So it's those guys in that picture.
	Those are our bullet stoppers in the U.S. We don't care about them.
	We want to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.
	I want to show you one more expert before we wrap up this segment.
	Here's one more expert that predicted this.
	And Joe Biden and NATO did it anyway.
	I was there, NATO in the origins of the Ukraine crisis after the fall of the Soviet Union.
	I told the Senate that expansion would lead us to where we are today.
	And who wrote this is written in February 15th, 2022.
	That's this year.
	Jack F. Matlock Jr.
	And here's what he said.
	He said, Putin's demand is that the process of adding new members to NATO cease and that Russia has assurance that Ukraine and Georgia will never be members.
	President Biden has refused to give such assurances, but made clear his willingness to continue discussing questions of strategic stability in Europe.
	So this guy who was there at the time predicts.
	So that's just another.
	So every, I could just show you endless amount of experts who predicted that this would happen.
	This never gets talked about.
	Here it is in Ceylon.
	NATO leaves little room for diplomacy, how the war machine upped the ante in Ukraine.
	And this is a quote from George Kennan.
	He's arguably America's greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. Cold War strategy.
	And here's what he said.
	He said, don't people understand our differences in the Cold War were with the Soviet communist regime.
	And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime.
	And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia.
	Of course, there is going to be bad reaction from Russia.
	And then the NATO expanders will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are.
	But this is just wrong.
	George Kennan is, I mean, that's the most significant quote right there, Jimmy.
	It was George Kennan who, as the American ambassador in Moscow or the charge de affair, wrote the famous long telegram, an 8,000-word telegram to the Secretary of State outlining his view of Soviet, of the Soviet Union and how to contain it.
	He conceived the doctrine of containment that became the basis for the Cold War.
	So the guy who was the intellectual architect of the Cold War and to a large extent the U.S. national security state apparatus was telling the truth about NATO towards the end of his life, that NATO would lead to a revival,
	a new Cold War, and new conflict like the one we're listening, we're watching now, we're witnessing now, if NATO continued to expand in explicit violation of the agreements made between Gorbachev and George H.W. Bush.
	And that's exactly what happened.
	So there could be no more significant figure than Kennan to issue that warning, and it's been totally ignored by the leadership today who are just completely reckless and careening towards World War III.
	And here's the part that everybody is ignoring is that we instituted that coup.
	We did it.
	The United States.
	Victoria Newland was caught on a recording.
	She was the Under Secretary of State.
	She's now, again, back there doing that same job and messing with Ukraine.
	And so.
	Chief of Staff to Dick Cheney.
	There you go.
	I didn't know that.
	She was Dick Cheney's chief of staff.
	Yeah, she worked for Dick Cheney.
	Her husband is Robert Kagan, who was an advisor to George W. Bush and helped conceive the project for a new American century with Bill Crystal, which was the conglomeration of neocons who were calling for the U.S. to dominate the world as a benevolent dictator of the world and to invade Iraq and destroy Iran and everything that we're witnessing today.
	I mean, this is a hardcore neocon who is the leading official in the State Department presiding over policy in Ukraine and Russia, who was also the key architect of the Maidan coup from the U.S. side.
	It's scary.
	It is scary, the people that are in charge right now.
	It's scary.
	The propaganda that's being spewed by the American media and the American public just eats it up.
	The liberals eat it up.
	It's liberals who oppose George W. Bush and the Iraq war who are eating it up the most.
	I mean, they are the most warlike.
	Here's what Henry Kissinger said about it.
	Even Henry Kissinger got this right.
	Henry Kissinger to settle Ukraine crisis start at the end.
	He says if Ukraine is to survive and thrive, it must not be either side's outpost against the other.
	It should function as a bridge between them.
	Meaning it shouldn't be in bed with the West.
	It shouldn't be in bed with Russia.
	It should serve as a bridge between them.
	The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine's relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis.
	A wise U.S. policy towards Ukraine would seek a way for the two parts of the country to cooperate with each other.
	We should seek reconciliation, not the domination of a faction.
	So when you saw John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Amy Klobuchar saying we're going to give you Adam Shifk, That's the exact opposite of what a guy like Kissinger said to do.
	Even Kissinger knows that's a bad idea.
	So this is where they're sending the arms here.
	This is what it all started all this.
	So they're supposed to not be doing that.
	There's supposed to be a ceasefire.
	The United States didn't want to ceasefire.
	The United States kept flooding arms there and arming Nazis.
	And I showed you even Canada did that.
	So let's see.
	And by the way, so just so you know, one in six Ukrainians is an actual ethnic Russian, and one in three Ukrainians' first language is Russian.
	So that's a third of the country.
	And most of those people live right here.
	And so after eight years of the Ukraine government with the funding and arms provided by the West, United States, after eight years of them not abiding by the Minsk agreement and not stopping shelling these people, they fight.
	By the way, you know how it all started off?
	There was a Nazi regime that burned a bunch of people alive at a union hall.
	Well, there was a Nazi mob.
	Nazi, right?
	There was a Nazi mob.
	They set up a little protest.
	There were Russian, native Russian speakers in Odessa, which has a large population of native Russian speakers.
	And after the coup in 2014, when they were completely disenfranchised, they set up a protest tent in front of that union hall.
	That Nazi mob was dispatched by almost officially to attack them.
	They ran in the union hall.
	The hall was set on fire and they were burned alive.
	And then when people tried to jump out the windows to get away from the fire, they beat the shit out of him.
	Correct.
	And one of the people who was responsible for it, his name is Sergei Sternenko.
	He was involved as a branch of the fascist group, right sector, that killed all these people in Odessa.
	He was on Fox News like a week ago, a week and a half ago to rally Americans in support of Ukraine.
	He is a fascist organizer who actually Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky sought to appoint as the head of Ukraine's security service.
	I mean, it didn't go through, but this is someone who's, you know, getting on U.S. media and is a straight-up mass murderer.
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	Look at this.
	So people are saying just total fiction how Putin is using Nazi propaganda to defend the invasion of Ukraine.
	So they're saying there's the allegation that the Ukraine military has, and the government has neo-Nazis infiltrated and embraced by the government, actually.
	And here's also, here's the PBS News Hour.
	Remember, it's funded by oligarchs and the government.
	So you're not getting the truth from PBS, even though you think you are.
	You're just as bad as anything else out there, PBS.
	Analysis.
	Putin's claim that war on Ukraine is to target Nazis is absurd.
	Here's why.
	So he says he's going to fight those Nazis.
	So in case you don't know what's happening, there was supposed to be an agreement in 2014 called the Minsk Agreement, which after they overthrew the government in Ukraine, they kept shelling the people in eastern Ukraine, right, who didn't want to go along with the overthrow.
	And so those people are ethnic Russians.
	So they identify with Russia, and they didn't want to be part of this new undemocratic government.
	And so they would shell them.
	And they killed 14,000 of them over the last eight years, even though there was supposed to be a ceasefire in 2015 called the Minsk Agreement.
	And so Putin says he's going in to stop that slaughter of those people in the east of Ukraine, which the Ukraine government hasn't stopped shelling.
	Now, that is true.
	Now, I'm also against his invasion.
	War is not a good idea.
	But here, there's PBS claiming that there is no such, the claim of Nazis is wrong.
	And there was also people, even People magazine got into it.
	So here's Alex Rubenstein.
	So here's, I'm going to, we're going to lay this all out for you.
	This would be nice.
	He says, watch Yevan Karas, the leader of Ukraine's neo-Nazi terror gang, C-14's speech from Kiev earlier this month, straight from the horse's mouth.
	He dispels the many narratives pushed by the left, the mainstream media, and the State Department.
	So he's going to brag about he's not denying he's a Nazi, and he's going to brag that of all the influence they had in the coup, and that the fact that the coup wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the Nazis.
	Watch this.
	So he says Maidan was the victory of the nationalist ideas.
	That was the coup that took place.
	That was the coup that took place.
	And he said that was the victory for the nationalist ideas.
	Well, what does nationalist mean?
	It means Nazi ideas, right?
	Okay.
	were the key factor there and clearly at the front lines.
	Now, there is a lot of speculation saying, well, there were only a few neo-Nazis.
	LGBT and foreign embassies are saying there were not much neo-Nazis on Maidan.
	about 10% of the real ideological ones The thing is that such a thing can say only a moron that never was at war.
	And don't understand that those 10%, maybe even less, 8%.
	But how much they are and how much more effective in the proportion of influence.
	So he's saying, yeah, we might have only been 10% or 8%, but what was our effect?
	That's what he's saying.
	What was the proportion of our influence?
	How much of their effectiveness was?
	It was endless, he says.
	He says, if not for those 8% of neo-Nazis, the effectiveness of Maidan would have dropped by 90%.
	So he's saying most of the credit has to go to these right-wing nationalist neo-Nazis for the coup.
	So it's the numbers.
	It's not the point.
	Also, when they started firing on the crowds, People thought that was the government doing that.
	Turns out now, there's lots of credible evidence that the Nazis were doing it.
	Like now, some left-wingers like Bol Foundation and so on, they're trying to count numbers to disminish.
	So, the reason why they're doing that is that now the West doesn't want to recognize the Nazis in Ukraine because it's bad for them.
	It's a bad look.
	And this guy is saying something like: there weren't many, there were that many nationalists.
	They had that much influence.
	If not for the nationalists, that whole thing, meaning the coup, would have turned into a gay parade.
	That's what he said.
	So, okay.
	So, now he's got, there's more.
	So, that's Max, you want to comment on any of that?
	Well, let's keep it rolling.
	Okay, so here's more.
	He says, we were now been given so much weaponry, not because some say the West is helping us.
	So, they've been given all this weaponry from the West.
	And some say it's because they want to help you.
	And he says, no, that's not why.
	He says, not because the West wants the best for us, but because we perform the tasks set by the West.
	Because we are the only ones who are ready to do them.
	Because we have fun.
	We have fun killing and we have fun fighting.
	And they're like, wow, let's see what's going to happen.
	And that is the reason for the new alliance, Turkey, Poland, Britain, and Ukraine.
	So he's saying, we're starting this whole new thing.
	There's going to be a whole new power alliance, and it doesn't rely on NATO.
	We are the flagman here because we have started a war.
	He's taking credit for starting this war with Russia.
	We have started a war that has not been seen for 60 years.
	So imagine how many weapons we have, how many veterans that we have.
	And imagine Russia falls apart and it turns into five different Russians or something like that.
	We have the most javelins on the European continent.
	Maybe only the UK has more javelin missiles than they do.
	The potential of those armed forces will immediately become a problem for all those who oppose us.
	For all those who are trying to give us problems, it is our joy and our sorrow.
	You need to understand why.
	Yes, it is hard.
	Not because we are Ukrainians and our asses suffered for 200 years.
	Why finally everything good, not just given to us?
	We are such good people.
	So he's acting, he's mocking people as being crybabies saying that.
	But the real reason he says, oh, those people, we want to join Europe.
	He doesn't want.
	This is what he says.
	No, we are a huge, powerful state.
	And if we come to power, it will be both joy and problems for the whole world.
	Therefore, it is a huge, ambitious task.
	We live in a very cool time.
	I don't know what this translation means.
	That's a weird translation.
	We live in a very cool time.
	And that is why there is an extremely ambitious, cool goal.
	See, I don't know what that means.
	Not just become part of a European family that has already collapsed.
	This is about new political alliances on the global level, new political challenges.
	So let's just recap what he said.
	Ukraine is being armed as pawns of the West because we have fun killing.
	We have started a war.
	We have the most javelins on the European continent.
	And the European family has already collapsed.
	And Maidan would have been a gay parade if not for the Nazi influence.
	And so that guy's the leader of the C-14s.
	The C-14s would start as a youth wing of the Savoda Party founded by Ole Tenahambach.
	Is that how you say, how do you say his name, Max?
	Janbach.
	Tjanbach.
	And he's pictured there.
	Here he is shaking hands.
	So this guy, who's big neo-Nazi, shaking hands with this guy who's our president, C-14 signed an agreement with Kiev city government to patrol its streets in early 2018.
	And what happened?
	Well, months later, it began a campaign of pogroms against Romani camps.
	So that's gypsies, right?
	And so they're going around killing them.
	They're beating them.
	And it was sort of an official city program that they went down to the train station or the train tracks and just pepper sprayed a bunch of very destitute Roma people and chased them away and brutalized them.
	So let me just say C-14, the 14 in C-14 refers to the 14 words coined by American neo-Nazi David Lane.
	And those words are, we must secure the existence of our people and future for white children.
	So the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party was co-founded by that guy I just showed you shaking hands with Joe Biden and a guy named Andriy Perubi, who served as the chairman of Ukrainian parliament from 2016 to 2019.
	So do you see where you see where I'm getting at when I start throwing around the term neo-Nazi intertwined with their government and was welcomed at the U.S. Senate by Joe Biden's foreign policy man, Michael Carpenter?
	And this is from the nation from 2019.
	Five years ago, Ukraine's Maidan uprising ousted President Viktor Yanukovych to the cheers and support of the West.
	Politicians and analysts in the United States and Europe not only celebrated the uprising as a triumph of democracy, but denied reports of Maidan's ultra-nationalism, smearing those who warned about the dark side of the uprising as Moscow puppets and useful idiots.
	Freedom was on the march in Ukraine.
	So anybody who pointed this out was called a Putin puppet and a useful idiot.
	Just like anybody who said Russagate was garbage.
	Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultra-nationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West's initial euphoria.
	There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.
	Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world's only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces.
	The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang, the Patriot of Ukraine.
	And here it is.
	That's their symbol.
	Arsen Avakov, the new Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, after the overthrow of Yanukovych government he issued in april 13th 2014 a decree authorizing creating the new paramilitary force from civilians up to 12 000 people So, and then what happened?
	Well, initially a volunteer militia formed as the Azov Battalion, May 2014, during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine.
	Azov has since been incorporated into its arms by Ukraine's Ministry of Internal Affairs, just like I told you.
	The Azov Battalion is a far-right.
	This is from Military WikiLeak, Wiki, Wikipedia, is a far-right, all-volunteer infantry military unit forming part of the military reserve of National Guard of Ukraine.
	Okay.
	And its first combat experience was recapturing Maropol from the pro-Russian separatist forces in June 2014.
	All members of the unit are under contract of the National Guard of Ukraine.
	The Azov Battalion has been labeled neo-Nazi Patriots, a far-right Ukrainian militia.
	And so they're officially a part of their military.
	This isn't a secret.
	Andy Beletsky, the gang's leader who became Azov's commander, once wrote that Ukraine's mission is to lead the white races out of the world of the world in a final crusade against the Semite-led Untermension.
	Baletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine's parliament.
	So again, there's a lot to this accusation of neo-Nazis being in the Ukraine military and government.
	Baletsky is also the head of two neo-Nazi political groups, the Patriot of Ukraine and Social National Assembly.
	In August 2014, he was awarded a military decoration, Order for Courage, by Ukrainian President Petro Porschenko and promoted to Lieutenant Colonel of the Interior Ministry's police forces.
	Do you see what I'm talking about now?
	Okay.
	So let all the other asswipes deny this, but we're here to report it.
	On June 11th, 2015, and you know how I super know these are real neo-Nazis?
	Because our own House of Representatives admitted it.
	In 2015, the U.S. House of Representatives passed amendments blocking any training of Azov by U.S. forces, citing its neo-Nazi background as the reason.
	And on June 26th, the Canadian defense minister declared as well that training by Canadian forces or support would not be provided to Azov.
	So this is our own governments admitting that they're Nazis, and they now deny it.
	Patrons of the battalion included Olai Lishavko and members of the Rada and Billinair blah, blah, blah.
	There's one more.
	While the group officially denies any neo-Nazi connections, Azov's nature has been confirmed by multiple Western outlets.
	The New York Times called the battalion openly neo-Nazi, while USA Today, The Daily Beast, The Telegraph, and Herretz documented group members' proclivility.
	How do you say that word?
	Proclivity.
	Proclivity for swastikas, salutes, and other Nazi symbols.
	And individual fighters have also acknowledged being neo-Nazis.
	So I'll be bringing Mac.
	So I don't know how much else proof that people need, but people will still deny it.
	Just like people still pretend that Russia Gate was real, even though there's never been a shred of evidence.
	In fact, all the evidence goes the other way.
	So would you like to comment on any of that?
	Well, you laid it out really well.
	I don't have that much to add, except that I could go on for another hour adding detail after detail.
	I guess I would make three points.
	The first one quickly, which is that you talked about the C-14 neo-Nazi youth wing of the Svoboda Party, which is one of the largest parties in Ukraine, Svoboda.
	It's not a neo-Nazi party.
	I would call it more ultra-nationalist.
	The U.S. has tried to kind of keep it out of the limelight.
	But, you know, if you look at the 2014 footage of John McCain and Senator Chris Murphy on stage in Maidan Square, Ole Tianbach is standing right there with them.
	I mean, they're on stage with that guy.
	And C-14 is the youth wing of this party that carried out pogroms under the official watch of the Kiev Municipal Council in 2018 against Roma people.
	It's all on video.
	And then after the pogrom, the guy who organized it, Sergei Bondar, he was invited to America House, which is a public meeting place in Kiev, sponsored by the U.S. government to give a talk on the situation, the military situation.
	Yeren Karas, that guy delivering the rant this February about how the ultra-nationalist or neo-Nazi forces prevented Maidan from becoming a gay parade.
	What he meant is like they were the muscle and everybody in the square were just kind of like liberal dupes and they were driving the agenda, which is absolutely correct.
	He has been provided an audience with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, along with other ultra-nationalists, including figures from the Azov Battalion and its National Corps sort of civilian brigade.
	Because Zelensky has a complex relationship with these characters, he pretty much has to beg them for a cooperation in the peace process that he and his administration flagrantly violated and failed to enforce.
	That happened in person in 2019 in a village called Zolote in the gray zone on the Donbass, in the Donbass area, where Zelensky went down to personally ask Azov Battalion figures and right sector figures like Boletsky to leave in accordance with the Steinmeier formula, which called for withdrawal of troops and confidence-building measures.
	And they just told him straight to his face, no fucking way, get the hell out of here.
	Like they just disrespected him.
	And he said he was begging them.
	He said, I'm not a loser.
	I'm 42 years old and I'm the president and you can't do this to me.
	And then he just went with his tail between his legs.
	Then he became deeply unpopular because of trying, because he kept trying to enforce these peace processes and wound up basically throwing his lot in with these forces, like banning opposition TV stations owned by Viktor Medvedchuk, who was the opposition leader, the effective leader of the Russian-speaking population, trying him for treason.
	But this was after these forces attacked Medvedchuk's home, attacked members of his party with rubber bullets while they were traveling through the country, wounding them, and on and on.
	So their agenda kind of, they kind of shifted Zelensky's agenda.
	And now we hear this propaganda in U.S. media that Zelensky's Jewish, so there can't possibly be neo-Nazis with any influence in Ukraine.
	That's what we hear again and again and again.
	They're basically using Zelensky, who is this impotent, weak president who got rolled by these fascist forces and by the U.S., which was arming them.
	They're using him as a human shield, a human propaganda shield.
	They're using his Jewishness to cover up the reality on the ground and the reality that people in Donbass have lived through.
	And it's kind of disgusting when streets across Ukraine have been named after Roman Shukaevich, the commander of the Ukrainian partisan army that collaborated closely with the Nazi SS and presided over so many pogroms.
	There have been stadiums and streets named after him, stadiums and streets named after Stepan Vandera, the founder of the Nazi-allied OUNB.
	He's a national hero in Ukraine.
	And you actually see Christia Freeland, the number two in Canada at pro-Ukraine rallies, the granddaughter of an actual Nazi collaborator, who is Justin Trudeau's number two, waving a red and black UPA fascist flag just weeks after calling the Canadian truckers Nazis and using emergency law to crush their movement.
	And she's waving this flag in the name of democracy.
	What complete hypocrisy.
	What a bunch of liars.
	The propaganda is just too unbelievable.
	And so finally, the situation on the ground today is very dire for the Ukrainian regular military.
	Their command and control structure was knocked out pretty much on the first day.
	They've lost control of the air.
	They're in complete disarray.
	Russia is rolling like a 40, a 40-mile convoy on Kiev.
	It's surrounding the Eastern battlefront completely, enveloping the Ukrainian power militaries and military.
	So who's left?
	Who's really the main fighting force on the ground?
	Well, in Mariupol, which you mentioned earlier, Jimmy, this city that is near Donbass, which was taken over by Azov in 2014, it is under the complete control of these neo-Nazi forces incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard.
	And there's video and testimony of them preventing civilians from leaving.
	And why are they doing that?
	Because Zelensky, who's the hero and who every liberal wine mom is now gushing over and having a orgasming over on their Facebook pages, Zelensky ordered all males of combat age from adolescents to age 60 to remain in the city, in their cities and in their countries and in the country to fight.
	And so Azov is enforcing that order.
	There's been video of them actually attacking civilians trying to leave Mariupol, trying to leave the fighting.
	And meanwhile, there and in the city of Kharkiv, they have started organizing average citizens, training them in guerrilla warfare, and handing out lots and lots of weapons, small arms.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	And what could possibly go wrong when Zelensky, the hero of every American liberal, has called for the release of hardened criminals from Ukrainian prisons to participate in the battle and take those weapons.
	It looks like they're preparing for some kind of serious style situation where instead of the jihadists aligned with al-Qaeda who are backed and armed by the CIA, you have neo-Nazis leading the battle, arming citizens, and weapons just flowing through the country to destabilize another country on Russia's frontier.
	I don't think that's going to work out, but that seems to be the U.S. plan.
	And so it's totally cynical.
	They're trying to use these fascistic forces to lead some kind of civil war that would cause so many more deaths, so many more migrants, and so much more disaster.
	But the U.S., the U.S. regime, is willing to do anything, it seems, anything, and to spare to any cost and see any amount of bloodshed in order to take on Putin.
	And that's where we're at today.
	Well said.
	I hope people know the rest of the story now.
	People are coming to this show for their information on Ukraine because everywhere else they go, they're getting lied to and they're getting propaganda, no matter where they go.
	And so right now our subscriptions are going through the roof and our views are doubled.
	We're up to like 14, 15 million views a month.
	And that's because of this crisis and the trucker crisis.
	And no one else, even on YouTube, will dare go against the cult and tell the truth about any of this stuff.
	And that's what I really think it is.
	I think a lot of people know what's really happening, but they're afraid to go against the cult.
	So they mealy mouth and they can't tell the truth about this.
	Well, look at what's happening.
	RT is being formally banned.
	RT France was taken off the air today.
	Let me talk.
	Let me let's that's my next story.
	Do you want to do you want to stick around for that one?
	Because that's my next story.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	I just wanted to point out, like, anything that the U.S. regime, which includes the EU, can get away with, they will do now.
	And that includes banning state-sponsored networks.
	And so there are fewer and fewer places people can go to to get a counter-narrative.
	And this is just an independent counter-narrative.
	But I'm sure they want to target you, and you are targeted.
	I mean, anytime I pull up, I'll search Jimmy Door on YouTube.
	They'll be in the algorithm, all of these random videos demonizing and attacking you.
	That's right.
	So that's what gets pushed.
	So not my most popular videos.
	What gets pushed is the videos that are attacking me.
	That's what happened.
	That's how the algorithm works, baby.
	And I'm still beating it.
	Bell rings
	Hey, this is Jimmy.
	Who's this?
	Jimmy's president Joe Biden.
	Oh, Mr. President, how do you feel about your state of the union?
	The state of the union is strong.
	Mr. President, you don't have to do this.
	My Turkey says you're behind us.
	The path forward is slanted yet mighty.
	We will continue in a forwardly direction while remembering our past, but also looking off to the side because there might be fucking Russians hiding in the bushes.
	Look out, Jack.
	You don't have to do this anymore.
	The speech is over.
	I know, I know.
	I'm still in speech mode.
	What did you take of the whole deal?
	What did I think?
	Mr. President, you actually said Iranians instead of Ukrainians.
	You know that.
	Folks.
	Oh, come on.
	I learned that trick from Obama.
	Just say folks.
	Folks.
	Anyway, so what?
	It's just a gaff.
	I have a stutter.
	That's not what a stutter does.
	Look, folks.
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