Johnny Vedmore exposes how investigative journalism targets elite networks, like his early Epstein revelations—including Nicole Juncker’s 2017 Paris flight logs and her ties to intelligence-linked figures like Daniel Korski. He alleges Juncker’s legal battles suppressed his findings, while her investments in Carbine 911 allegedly funnel emergency data to Israeli intelligence. Vedmore dismisses climate change as a manufactured crisis, framing it as part of broader globalist control, and links Epstein’s operations to systemic grooming, underground bases like "Terramar," and fifth-generation psyops—where media manipulation obscures truth under the guise of free speech. His work suggests elites exploit power through psychological warfare, from modeling agencies to tech surveillance, all while evading accountability. [Automatically generated summary]
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Investigating Les Wexner00:15:41
And I was, I constantly do this because I'm on a really crappy little, I've got a laptop which I position on a pile of books and I use its camera.
I haven't got any of this fancy stuff.
I think this is your problem here.
This sounds like your problem.
You need to start getting a couple of bits of fancy stuff.
But why?
So, just so that you don't have to hurt your neck.
I wonder whether that would actually affect my behavior, though.
Whether I, if I had a camera, a proper camera, would I not be leaning forward to the camera?
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
It takes a bit of time.
When I was doing the TNT radio stuff, it was quite hard to understand where I should sit in comparison to, you know, you start thinking about yourself too much and watching yourself too much or worries too much.
Like, not the kind of thing I can be bothered to do.
I can understand.
I can understand.
I can see that in your nature, James.
You're like, I don't need any of that.
I just got to deal with the main facts at hand.
You're that type of guy.
I like getting on the horse and riding off.
No pussy about.
I want the.
I'm glad you were riding off then.
I want the grooms there to take care of all the boring stuff.
You want the groomers, did you say?
The grooms.
Oh, right.
Okay.
A groom is a person who looks after a horse.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Probably grooms the horse.
And normally they're female.
So I.
Well, that's something Gillaine Maxwell used to do, I believe, back in the day.
She was big into horses.
In actual fact, that might explain, and just might explain her connection with Aber Wiswith.
I think it's Aberwiswith.
Some of the files show that she has a connection with Aberwiswith.
And of course, Aberwiswith's got a lot of horse training facilities around it.
Has it?
Yes, yeah, yeah.
It's got quite a large equestrian lilt to the whole area, really.
She wasn't at Aberwiswith, you know?
I don't know.
I don't know what she was at.
I don't know what she was at.
I don't think she went to the college there, but she did some sort of deal with them.
They were doing deals with everybody.
They would just have their fingers in all the pies.
Before we move on, because I can see that there's so much you know, we could run away with ourselves.
Let's just take a pause, shall we, Johnny, and describe.
Well, tell us about yourself.
Hello, my name's Johnny Vedmore.
I became a journalist at one point and just got interested in the idea of going through history and finding information no one else really could find.
I realized I knew information that no one else could find.
I could find it.
I could think esoterically outside the box, and I could think where to find something that no one else could have thought of before.
And I used that skill over the past 10 years to write many articles and many investigations.
It led to being an investigative journalist.
I've got a complicated upbringing, complicated past, and not usual, you could say.
I've lived around the place now.
I've worked for a few platforms.
I wrote a couple of times for UK Column.
I wrote for Unlimited Hangout with Whitney Webb for a while.
I helped her research for One Nation and the Blackmail.
So I got to cut my teeth on some proper research work as well.
And then I've just been producing.
I try and find in a story.
I try when someone comes to me with something, they say, Oh, I want, can you concentrate on this person or this person?
I always look at those people, and it's always the people that are the most impossible to beat.
You could throw stones galore at them, and nothing would all bounce off like the Peter Thiels or the Elon Musks.
You know, they got a memetic quality, which means that every insult, everything bounces off them.
It's kind of like a neoconservative quality, you could say, about them.
And for me, I tend to try and find the weakness in the armor.
I look for the place where the I see myself as a lone wolf, irrational actor.
And those people have been dressed up as terrorists and nerdy wells for many years.
But in actual fact, we need more lone wolf actors.
We need people who are willing to say, Okay, I'm not going to end up within an organization telling me what to do.
I'll only do what I think is the right thing to do at whatever time that I feel is right to do it.
So that's what I kind of do.
I go in between the lines.
I do a lot of naughty things.
So my journalism tends to be like now they're reporting about Junckerman links to Epstein.
I started reporting about that seven years ago.
They're only just reporting on the base level, really.
Like the essence of my first article is what they're reporting on now in the mainstream.
They haven't got to any of the real nitty-gritty information.
That'll take another five, six, seven years.
So my journalism tends to be 10 to 15 years ahead of what the mainstream offer.
And that's all across the board as well.
There's a lot of different articles that I've tackled.
I went through each year and multiple times a year sometimes.
I break stories that the mainstream media will not allow on the screen.
And what I try and do is I try and push the boundaries of what they think they, you know, they get away with a lot because no one pushes boundaries.
So they get to leave out a lot of history.
I'm closer, getting closer and closer to making it so awkward for the mainstream, my presence, that they're going to have to at some point let me on something and then all hell will break loose because I'm not like a lot of the rest of people.
I'm not motivated by things like money and wealth.
I'm motivated by something which is kind of like an obsessive order, really.
That I gotta, I love, I love asking the questions you're not allowed to ask.
Love it.
Thank you, Johnny.
That was that was very fluent.
Obviously, we've got to talk about Junckerman because you've done the legwork.
You've earned the right, I think, to talk about it.
But first of all, can we talk about because it's on my mind at the moment?
I've just seen on Twitter this Leslie Wexner in court, and his attorney is whispering in his ear, shut up or we'll kill you, or something similar.
And just to put this in context, having been familiar with some of Whitney Webb's research into this and perhaps your co-research, I thought Leslie Wexner was sort of pretty much a top dog in Crime Inc. that he's a big, big money man.
He sort of ran Epstein to a degree, didn't he?
That is very Leslie Wexner was a prolific Zionist organizer, organizing large groups of Zionists very early on.
This includes within the Jewish business community.
He was always pushing the agenda for Israel in amongst the Jewish community, and they were active for a long time.
When I was researching for One Nation under Blackmail, one of the things I was asked to look into was basically the entire rise of Les Wexner and not so much the later years, but how he was when he was younger, because he was extremely competitive, a very strange man, a man who claimed to have a demon.
He openly wrote admitted within an article in a mainstream newspaper that he had a debuk, a Jewish, a playful spirit that made him do evil things.
And he always followed whatever his dabuk said.
And that he said out loud.
I think if you look at different things like that throughout Leslie Wexner's life, you start to realize he's this character that is so wealthy and powerful in his state of Ohio.
I mean, he owns almost all of Ohio.
If you talk to people in Ohio, they'll say, oh, yeah, everybody we know, like one degree of separation from someone who works for Les Wexner or is like a major part of one of his major businesses or enterprises or organizations or foundations or funds because a lot of this is university driven sort of funding.
He makes sure that he funds organizations at every single level, both business, academic, government.
So early on, he's working in a clothes shop with his dad.
Then his dad doesn't like his suggestion.
So he goes off, makes a competing clothes shop and drives his dad's business into the ground to prove a point.
And then his dad goes works for him and he makes Victoria's Secrets and all of this.
And the limited brand comes after that.
A lot of it, really, it was based on teenage underwear and bikinis.
He liked making teenage underwear and bikinis and selling it to very young girls.
He became the lead in that and it made him loads of money.
Targeting girls of a certain age was what Les Wexner did within business.
Targeting girls of the same age was what Jeffrey Epstein did in business as well.
So there's a crossover there that I think needs to be really looked into.
The modeling front as well, Victoria's Secret, etc., put Leslie Wexner in touch with lots of different models who were the best possibility for the highest level compromise agents.
Models who were willing to sell something of themselves over to the state were fantastic for compromise operations, especially at the highest level.
If you want to compromise world leaders, you need to have the most beautiful and intelligent women in the world, something Junkerman is, or Melanie Walker, or one of the other people who were around Epstein.
Leslie Wexner was probably funding 90% of Epstein's organization.
He was handing his houses over to him.
Epstein was helping with swapping properties over.
Guido Goldman, Henry Kissinger's best friend, the head of the German Marshall Fund, which is a CIA front, was part of the thing of one of the people who was trading properties between Epstein, Bronfman, and Wexner in different places.
So there's loads of weird connections, and it looks like they're basically funneling money and funds through different assets and supplying Epstein with an operational basis to do a massive operation.
And lots of people wanted it to be.
Oh, it's the Mossad.
I think they didn't want it to be.
They were told it was the Mossad because, quite simply, they were fed this idea.
And this is the idea.
It's a pantomime.
It's a kabuki theater idea.
The Mossad is all-pervasive, controls absolutely everything.
And the CIA is a poor victim of the Mossad that has been manipulated.
The government agencies are all poor victims of the Mossad.
They've all been manipulated.
They like children.
They don't have any.
Oh, what's happening?
Oh, we're the biggest funding deep state spy and intelligence organization in the world, and we're just going to be taken over by there's a symbiotic relationship.
There's intelligence partners, is how it works on the global stage now.
And people want, it's really easy in an operation like Operation Condor, which was a mixed national nation-state intelligence operation that was multiple South American agencies would take sanctions against certain countries and they would use mixed nationals so that the people couldn't be held to account or countries couldn't be held to account.
Well, that's the same sort of thing they do with CIA and Mossad and with British intelligence, French intelligence, Canadian intelligence, because I can tell you, Epstein was working with them all.
And what Wexner was doing was he was he working to mini, was Epstein working just for Wexner?
That's a really simplistic view that discounts the fact that he that Epstein was recruited by the CIA, funded by the CIA, run guns through Iran-Contra with the CIA, and went on to really control the Democratic Party for a Republican-leaning CIA, and then to control the technocratic leadership contenders for what is a Republican-leaning CIA.
So I think there's a lot of CIA there, and the Leslie Wexner sort of like, oh, he's the big boss, was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek, easy way for them to dress it up as something else.
But really, it's all of them in it together.
We always find this.
They dress themselves up as being taken advantage of by one person.
So one person has to take account or accountability for all the other ills.
And then, if you've got something like that happening in a courtroom, people will be like, oh, they won't be concentrating on what he's actually done.
They'll be concentrating on the idea of conspiracy.
Maybe he's also being controlled by a bigger entity.
So they're doing the same thing that they've done with Wexner for Epstein with Wexner by doing that because they'll have someone else who's telling him what to do.
And he's either big, but oh, he must be just a puppet.
Oh, poor Wexner, he's a victim in all of this.
And you see this throughout the Epstein case: the recategorization of perpetrators and accomplices as victims.
This is something that happens at every single level throughout the Epstein case that is present.
So do you think that that incident with the lawyer whispering and they could hear what he was saying?
Do you think that was staged?
Yeah, I think they're just all of these different methods of it's fifth generation warfare.
Everybody's got to make everybody not know what's happening.
You've got to be completely don't know what's up, don't know what's down, don't know who's good, don't know what who's bad, constantly leave doubt.
If you do something that's a tactic you know it's going to work to seed doubt into the public consciousness and you're a high-class lawyer, you're doing it for a reason.
You're not just doing it by accident or if you're a billionaire.
I mean, the whole thing looked ridiculous, sounded ridiculous, and allowed for the exact thing they want, which is to take away responsibility from Les Wexner and make it look like it's somebody else who's responsible.
Right, right.
And yet, at the same time, there presumably is a higher tier than Les Wexner.
Well, yeah, but I mean, I suppose a logical fallacy, you could describe it as a logical fallacy to think that those two things are connected.
Les Wexner being not the be-all and end-all is, I think, something that everybody should just accept.
Les Wexner's Cog Machine00:15:22
He's part of a cog in a massive machine, and that machine has much higher.
These are the people Les Wexner looks like a business corporate Zionist who was running intelligence operations on behalf that were interlocutors, really.
He's one of the interlocutors between the Mossad and the CIA and other American agencies.
So, I mean, really, what he is, is just an employee who's allowed to keep his cash and function in certain ways and is allowed to get away with his certain proclivities, whatever those proclivities may be, so that he can help out the intelligence agencies.
So, he's just a cog in a machine.
The people who are above him are much wealthier than him.
There's people who are much wealthier than him.
There's people who are so wealthy that we don't even know who they are.
There's a whole world being created.
I'd love to know who those ones are.
Yeah, we'd all love to know who those ones are, but there's a whole there's there is an entire other reality being created elsewhere, and we don't even know about that.
I think we've got to accept now there's all sorts of like it was last year and the year before, I was still not allowed to talk about what my own findings without being called a conspiracist or conspiracy theorist and all of this.
And now I have major papers coming to me and saying, Excuse me, well, you've done all the work on this, we need your advice.
So the switch over, Johnny.
Well, let's just get it out there at the moment.
That's the most important thing, especially when it comes down to Junckerman.
We're going to come on to Junckerman in a moment.
I was going to ask you one more question, but I forgot what's deal with Junckerman.
Tell us about Junckerman.
Well, Junckerman was an interesting one.
I mean, quick, quick rundown.
I wanted to find something to do in the Epstein case.
I wanted to get into it somehow.
It was 2019.
I'd already been investigating a few different people for quite a while, and I wanted to write something, but I'd come across this one woman.
In about 2017, I'd come across this woman in the flight logs.
And the flight logs, I had colour-coded them.
And one colour was only repeated three times in the flight log that I had, where everything else was like mapped out.
There was just one, which was Jeffrey Epstein flying with someone else without his entourage, without Glenn Maxwell, without Sarah Kellen, without anybody like that.
Just Jeffrey Epstein and somebody else was a real rarity.
There was always somebody else with them, serving them, helping them, doing all of these things.
But why would you need such secret?
It was so secretive.
And it was from flight from Paris to Britain, to Birmingham Airport.
Why go to Birmingham Airport?
That piqued my interest.
And then in 2019, I discovered she was being brought onto the Health Tech Advisory Board on the NHS by Matt Hancock.
We both got lots of names for Matt Hancock, I'm sure.
And a guy called Daniel Korski, who later went for, tried to become mayor, I think.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
He's 10 miles of bad road.
He's a very bad person.
Yeah.
Yes.
I think he's an intelligence.
He brings people into the government from intelligence.
That's what it looked like.
And tries to, it related to tech startups, very much so related to what is called the digital panopticon.
I wrote an article in 2020 about Daniel Korski called Daniel Korski's Digital Panopticon for Unlimited Hangout.
And it was really looking at what they're investing in and what he's involved in.
It's about sifting data.
And it looks like he is, I mean, he could be, he's one of those globalist multinational Jewish men who you raise an eyebrow at because it looks like he's a spy and that he's hanging around with other spies and doing spy business at the highest level, including being one of the main advisors to Hamid Karzai just after Afghanistan was taken.
That's a little bit of a highbrow job, isn't it?
or being in there with David Cameron, that's a bit of a...
I think that Daniel Korski is something that people really want to watch.
He was standing next to Junkerman.
He helped bring Junckerman on board to the Health Tech Advisory Board.
And I was like, you know, the NHS, however hard they are, however difficult they may be, they have saved my life.
I did go through eight years of intense stuff, including radioactive treatment and serious throat surgery.
So I love my NHS.
And I went against, I just reported. on Junkerman.
And then next month I found out where they had actually gone when they were in Britain, which was a little place called Foxcote House in North Warwickshire, near a place called Ilmington, owned by Abigail Wexner.
In 1999, they'd actually had a little bit of an uproar in the local area because Les Wexner wanted to build a helipad, a helipad, which was used on this occasion by Junckerman and Epstein to bring them to this mansion house.
And there they met two sitting US senators.
And there were two very important things happening just after these senators were meeting, Epstein and Junckerman, in Abigail and Les Wexner's mansion out in the middle of North Warwickshire.
Two very important things.
Two days later, the Amber Alert Bill was being introduced by Epstein's friend, Hillary Clinton.
It was about stopping child trafficking and child kidnapping.
That's a very interesting fact that I don't think people have properly looked into yet.
And a month later was the vote of whether or not to go to the Iraq war.
Now, someone else managed to inform me only yesterday of the two likely names I haven't gotten written down, but the two likely names for the senators, seeing as a joint intelligence task force was noted as visiting the UK, two senators during those days.
And they had to have met from the 1st of September onwards.
And those would have to be the ones who met with Junckerman Epstein and another woman, a brunette.
You see, in the nighttime, Epstein walked into this mansion house with a girl, a beautiful model-looking woman on each arm as he walked in to meet the senators.
I know that.
The police know that.
I contacted the Metropolitan Police and I asked them, Freedom of Information Request, if they can give me the name of the senators.
And they said they couldn't for national security reasons.
That's in 2022.
I say for national security reasons now, we should know the name of those senators.
And it is for exactly those reasons we should know the name of the senators.
Then I released an article in 2020, which was basically all of the rundown of Nicole Younkerman's history.
She's an amazingly wealthy tech investor.
Now she's an Italian Countess Countess Bricetti Paretti.
She married Ferdinando Bricchetti Paretti, also in Epstein's little black book, along with his brother Hugo.
They're the heads of API Oil Family Oil in Italy, which is an extreme, is the wealthiest oil firm in Italy.
And then she spent seven years strategically litigating against me, taking out multiple injunctions from Berlin courts to go to platforms and have my content taken down one after another.
She had microtaskers delisting me from every platform, including Google.
They were going one by one.
Microtaskers were contacting me because they felt so guilty once they worked out what they were doing.
They started contacting me one by one.
In actual fact, loads of people have ended up contacting me because loads of people have been affected.
People who talked to me over seven years about Junckerman at all had their podcasts hit for defamation and they used the interim court injunctions, which are meant to lead to a defamation case, but never led to a defamation case because they used it as strategic litigation against public participation.
And it was truly, truly a really hard time.
And then in December, the Vatican, who are connected with Countess Procetti Peretti and her husband, they also had their baby baptized in the Vatican.
They offered me to the Vatican under false pretense.
I knew it was going to be, I knew what it was anyway.
I knew it was a trap.
But I also, I'm an investigative journalist, so I go into anything.
They're wild.
So when I got there, I got harassed by police as soon as I got off the plane.
I got intimidated.
I had a driver who no one knows who he worked for.
I had loads of different things happen, including someone ride up to me and shove an envelope in my chest.
And it was pictured, gave me pictures of me walking around Rome to intimidate me, to let them know they're watching.
Ended up in a negotiation between me and the Vatican on behalf of Nicole Junckerman.
And they told me by the end of it, they told me loads of things.
They told me they had a camera.
The Vatican people told me they had a camera that could see ghosts and could tell that ghosts were attached on people's shoulder.
They had knew the name of the Antichrist and they tell me and I could tell everyone.
And they also told me that Nicole Junckerman was actually working with the Vatican to take down Jeffrey Epstein and showed me a load of fake emails to try and make convince me of that, which was a load of bollocks.
But in the end, they admitted that she was obliged because she was working for the Vatican.
She was obliged to speak with them and now we could negotiate.
And so it was just a negotiation, it turns out, with a load of intimidation added on.
And that's been seven years reporting on Nicole Junckerman.
everybody can speak about her like home and everybody can be more most of my stuff still geo blocked on different bird in different countries Everybody else can talk about the stuff.
But still, loads of my articles, about 30 of them, have been banned.
Even Rumble at one point deleted the three of my Junckerman read-throughs without even telling me, not even informing me.
I only found out three months later.
That's Rumble.
She was in business with Peter Thiel.
When she entered in, when Nicole Junckerman entered into the Health Tech Advisory Board, she was also part of Carbine 9-11.
Carbine 9-11 was invested in by Jeffrey Epstein, Peter Thiel, and Ehu Barak, who was also on the board alongside Nicole Junckerman.
Ehu Barak, 10th Prime Minister of Israel, and Princess Bruchos, who was the head of the Unit 8200 Cyber Security Division, along with Alex Disengoff and Emir Elikai, also Israeli intelligence stooges.
It's crazy.
Let me pause you there.
Junckerman, what's her backstory?
She's a German countess.
She's countess by marriage.
No, no, she became an elite model.
She went to the University of Monaco.
She became an elite model like Naomi Campbell, elite agency John Casablanca, which was partly being used as a runoff for John Luke Brunel's younger models.
Some of them were going up to elite models.
But I've only been able to find one photo shoot.
In that era, if you were a model, you were everywhere all the time.
There's photos, you were everywhere.
I found one photo shoot in a magazine.
It looks like it's a cover.
She then entered into a company called Winner Max with a guy called Robert Louis Dreyfus.
He was the head of Adidas, and he became her.
They were having an affair.
His wife, she ended up marrying Philip someone or Hildebrand from head of BlackRock.
But basically, Robert Louis Dreyfus and Nicole Junckerman had relationships and business partnerships until he died.
And he protected her a lot.
She made a lot of front organizations with him.
Winner Max was a front organization.
It was early like internet sort of fantasy football type thing.
It was created by someone else, but they all took the claim for it.
And then they created Infront Sport Media.
And Infront Sport Media was run by Philip Blatter, the nephew of Set Blatter, and they won the rights for all of the FIFA World Cups at really base level.
And it was a way for Set Blatter to give his nephew a load of rights.
And I know a guy, David Wheeler, who wrote the Lenin assassination books, he says he was in-front sport media when it was set up, and it was a front.
Everybody knew it was a front.
They all knew it was.
And they ended up having to go to a German inquiry and inquest or inquest into the actual activity that went on with that company.
Everybody, basically, Robert Louis Dreyfus took the fall for it.
He was already dying.
He took the slaps on the wrist.
He ended up dying.
She made loads of money.
And then she went into tech, big tech businesses.
And they're all big tech that's connected with lots of different things.
Like she's involved, she she created, um, she was involved in Swarm, which was a satellite array that was sold into SpaceX, and now she owns parts of SpaceX.
She owns part of Revolute, she owns part of Jobio Shimbo.
You can actually, there's about probably about 50 or 60 big major tech companies that she knew to invest in.
Because if you look at what she was talking about with Epstein as well, it wasn't only will you marry me and will we have babies together at a superior race, but it was also the idea of what do I need to invest in?
What options do I need?
So they were doing, she was being helped with investments by Epstein in the tech world behind the scenes as well.
So she's an extremely big player, even bigger than I even thought.
And I wrote a lot about her.
And then she, like I said, it went on for seven years.
This whole legal battle backwards and forwards is kind of ended now because they sent a load of information to Substack and Substack gave me that information.
And it turns out she was denying she had flown on the Lolita Express, even though she's on the flight manifest.
She was denying an extended relationship of any type or business relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
She said she wasn't on the board to car by 9-11, even though she was definitely registered on the board.
And then they've signed it legally as well.
So they've actually, when you claim defamation against someone, you have to say two lines at the end, which are legal.
They're legally binding.
They're saying that what you're saying in this is definitely the truth.
And the majority of the copyright claims and other things they tried to use, the pictures weren't in any of the articles or any of the videos, but none of the platforms checked.
They took it down automatically because these guys used interim Berlin court injunctions to show them, oh, look, we've got a court behind us.
And none of them bothered checking to see what that meant.
So I got a one hell of a case against Junckerman.
We're going head to head eventually.
I don't think she'll want that as a court case.
High-Level Models and MK Ultra00:03:33
So early life, I mean, you're obviously familiar with the way that high-level models and people like that are often monarch programmed or MK Ultra and they're used by the cabal for intelligence works, for honey traps, for spying and stuff.
Do you think she might be one of those?
Her father was extremely wealthy.
It is a complicated normally I go into people's in deep into people's family history.
It's one of the first things I usually do.
But in about 2020, late 2020, early 2021, Nicole Junckerman's people started a campaign of disinformation.
They already were combating my journalism, having it taken down, but they were also producing loads of fake websites with false information on there, loads of them, so that when people went to them, they would find the wrong information.
And if I was to report that wrong information, then it would, of course, undermine my whole platform.
That's kind of what they're doing it for.
I tried to stay away from going into her ancestry too much, but she was brought up in a very wealthy area.
She was, her father was a wealthy, I think he was a financier and jewelry sales member for the elite.
And basically, it could very well be that she is somehow trained like that, but it also could be that she's already got the mindset, a mindset like her father, a very good businesswoman, but she was also, I got to say it, vibrant and sexual.
I think that one of the reasons, probably, and this is speculation, but this is from seeing how she is, seeing her relationships.
She likes older men.
I think she dazzles them to a point they can't even, like, Robert Louis Dreyfus was willing to, for his, his family lost the fortune in, lost a fortune in Robert Louis Dreyfus because his wife took all of the money because he was off gallivanting with Nicole Youngerman and he would not give her up.
I think she could not, she wasn't only a dynamo in the office, she wasn't only extraordinarily stunning.
And not only was she probably amazing in the other areas that you need to be, but she also didn't care about, she was willing to do the compromise, I think.
I think the high level, highest level.
And if you're in the highest level, I mean, the same accusations have been made about Naomi Campbell as well.
And they were with the same people during this period, doing the same things for the same elite modeling agency, run by the exact same people, flying on the same Lolita Express, both Naomi Campbell and other models as well.
They're all linked in because really, you know, if you pay those girls masses and masses of money to make someone happy, well, you're not talking about just any old Joe.
Compromises In Elite Circles00:02:41
You're talking about world leaders.
You're talking about heads of enterprise and business.
You're talking about lots of money changing hands and you're talking about old classic compromise that we know exists.
We know this stuff exists.
Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skull juggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
No, we don't.
It's a scam.
You're talking about heads of enterprise and business.
Desires and Dominance00:04:26
You're talking about lots of money changing hands.
And you're talking about old classic compromise that we know exists.
We know this stuff exists.
We know it exists.
I suppose it makes sense.
Now you state it like that.
If you are a supermodel, you're going to have a price, aren't you?
I mean, you're not going to be proud if you're being offered, I don't know how much to sleep with somebody.
You're thinking, well, you know, it's just one night.
Listen, If when I was younger, say I was like 18, 19, 20, 21, if someone had come along and offered me a large amount of money to sleep with me, some woman out there, I'm not sure I, I, I, you know, I think I possibly would have done it.
I mean, the fact is, is that one thing that we underestimate is sex.
People like it, people enjoy it.
Actually, people have your parents did it, and their parents did it, and their parents did it, and so on and so forth, all the way back.
And we really, we are prudes when we come to think about how other people relate to that.
And I think, especially post-women's liberation, we're well gone.
If we enter into the 90s, we've not only passed the swinging 60s and raucous behavior of the 70s and 80s, but women are like, we can do whatever we like now.
You know, there's some women who have empowered themselves so much that they're in control and they like that control.
And for those women, if they're completely and utterly, totally beautiful, they can wrap any man around their finger and they know how to use that control.
Because this is okay, this is one of the things.
I tell you, I know loads of people who like, I'll sit in a cafe or a bar.
There's loads of people who come in and you see them and some of them are pretty.
You say hello, et cetera.
Every now and again, someone comes in who's so totally and utterly overwhelmingly beautiful that no one can stop looking at them.
And those people don't have to try very hard.
The majority of time, they're probably very nice people.
Sometimes they're involved in trades that mean they don't really learn that much or take in masses of information.
They don't need to because they've got looks.
And looks gives you something else.
It gives you people willing to do things for you because you're beautiful.
And the more beautiful you are, the exponential line goes with that.
You know, it goes up and up and up and up.
If you are so gorgeous that you walk into a room that men shake around you, you are in a situation where you can bend anybody to your will and you learn how to, if you learn how to do that as well, if people like this, Youngkerman, Naomi Campbell, Kate Moss, if these women were doing that, well, it's going to be easy for them.
They looked pretty confident.
They learned how to sell themselves and looks.
They might not even need to do that much, to be perfectly honest, but they also have wants, desires.
They want some women want to dominate men and some men want to dominate women.
Usually it's the one way round.
Sexually, if you're in the sack with someone, it's either you're with someone who wants to be dominated or wants to dominate you or want some sort of equal ground, which is very rare.
Usually women, you know, like men to be men, and there's a stereotype to it, and there's a certain subset of characteristics that come with that.
Women who are in charge, who are dominant, who are tall, beautiful, can get their way, can bend you round every single finger over and over again.
This is like no-brainer work for them.
They're just having fun.
And can you imagine the amount of money you could make from being open to just living life wildly?
And maybe even when she's doing it, it doesn't look like any one of these women.
It doesn't look like they're actually doing anything wrong.
All they're doing is having fun, sleeping with people, and they don't care because they look around, they go back to their modeling world, and that's what everybody's doing anyway.
So why should we, I mean, okay, so Junckerman is a pretty girl on the make.
Why We Should Worry00:06:59
Tell me why we should worry about her.
A lot of her investments are in companies that have some form of ability to gain data.
And Carbine 911 was definitely one of those companies.
So she's involved in a company that is 911.
That's not a dodgy name, is it?
I know.
And what the company is, is you call 911 or 999 in the UK.
And instead of the police, you're going to get Carbine 911.
Now, they're going to send out drones, check the cameras, have access.
They'll have access to absolutely, they say in their website, we'll have access to people's cameras outside their doors.
We'll have access to the security on different cars.
We'll have access to the drones and this, that, and we'll check and we'll be able to prevent crime before it even happens, you know, pre-COG sort of way.
We can see behavior in the neighborhood if it's normal or not, and we know whether to send someone out.
So when you phone 911, you're not phoning 911, you're phoning Israeli intelligence.
And Israeli intelligence, because of this, get to have access to every single bit of data about UK citizens or US citizens.
And then if they decide that the police in the country actually needs to react, they contact them and they send them out.
Is this legal?
Yes.
We've given all our video feeds to the Israelis.
But apparently, they started getting contract after contract.
And during COVID, they got contracts in different places in America.
And they're aiming to do this.
This is what the idea is.
This is why Thiel was invested in it, Epstein, Ehu Barak, and Nicole Junckerman.
That's why the Health Tech Advisory Board, at the same time, on the Health Tech Advisory Board, is a guy who's his name escapes me, but he's the head of Oakin.
That's O W K I N.
And this guy, this company is invested in, again, by Nicole Junckerman.
And what they were announcing through NJF Capital, Nicole Junkerman Financial Capital's website, they're announcing, hey, look, we've got the rights to get all of the data from the NHS.
All of the information to use it for our AI.
So what are they trying to do?
She's trying to constantly get information.
Now, the next thing, why should we worry?
Well, this is our problem.
We should worry about that.
That's obvious we should worry.
And we would worry if it was if Jeffrey Epstein was the front, or if Peter Thiel was the front, or if Ehu Barak was the front, because it's a beautiful six foot seven ex-Italian supermodel, German supermodel.
She's six foot seven.
She's six foot seven, something like that.
No.
Yeah, she's totally an at least proper supermodel.
I mean, she is absolutely gorgeous, divine.
She's like a giant.
She's like...
Wow, maybe she's six foot four.
Yeah, but...
Maybe I've added a lot of a giant.
She is.
I do say she is like an eight foot creature with technocratic.
Maybe she is descended from the giants.
She could be a Tartarian.
There's a possibility.
But I mean, the reason why we should be what we should view her as is part of the collection of data for the digital panopticon and access and rights to access data for the digital panopticon on behalf of the worst people in society.
They do it by using a pretty face, as simple as it is.
Now, if you look at the people who were surrounding her, you start to realize that's all it is, pretty face time.
And they need a lot of people, really high-ranking people to defend her.
And they do that.
Her main legal advisor, NJF, is the guy who last year or the year before was the main legal advisor to Baron Rothschild when he was alive and had been for the past four or five years.
What's his name?
Avidor, I think his name is.
Ben Davidor, maybe.
I'll have to go to the actual website and check it out.
Just due to the fact I've forgotten his name.
But yeah, he was Jacob Rothschild's legal advisor before Jacob Rothschild died.
So obviously she's got quite big access.
Just briefly sidetracking you, although I hope it's not too much of a sidetrack.
What's the story about this being a kind of war within the Rothschild family, a sort of power struggle?
Is there anything in that?
Well, I don't tend to, you know, I don't tend to think that we ever know what's going on behind closed doors with all of these people.
I just, I think a lot of what spills out into the public is it's, oh, if something hits the public, it's been made to do that on purpose.
It's not real.
Okay.
So I just, I don't want to.
Okay, so we've got this six foot seven or however tall she is, technocratic creature.
Stealing all our data and giving worst people in the world.
Yeah.
And everyone's just going, everyone in government who might be responsible for any kind of oversight is going, she's a pretty girl.
And make me do things.
Yeah.
It makes me do things.
And they don't even know how to do it.
Come on.
You know what it's like.
Pretty girls and stuff.
They make us go do Lally in the mind.
They're pretty.
I have known not biblically one of these women.
And they are.
They're just something else.
Not biblically.
No, not biblically.
So are we done with Junckerman or is the more?
Well, you can, I mean, that is Junckerman.
She's now in a situation where times have changed.
Before, it was only me.
She had to try and like a target and arrast to cover up her connections with Epstein and Barack and other people.
It should have been obvious, but now she's been outed as really key, a key player.
I wasn't expecting that, to be honest.
I thought she, you know, I thought her association was a little bit less than what it's turned out to be.
She's even more important.
Nuclear Weapons Trafficking00:10:34
I think these guys in different countries, you're going to see this happen in different places.
So I think that's one of the things we can look for is that, and it's happening in Spain now as well.
There's people who are related to other people who have had connections with Epstein and it's caused like uproars in each of these little European countries.
So I think the Europeans are going to start to get Epstein fever soon.
What do you mean?
You mean they've been reading all the stories and they've realized it's the current no, Epstein was in bed with like loads of royals, loads of families, loads of big financial firms that have massive links all around the world that are based all around the world.
A lot of the like Spanish royalty, Spanish politicians, people like that will probably have connections in different ways to this network because it's a large criminal conspiracy.
There'll be the same within Italy, within Germany, within France.
Each of these countries one by one will learn that this isn't just something that's an American or was an American operation.
It was a big globalist intelligence blob operation, and they happen all over the place.
A lot of what we, I mean, a lot of what we're talking about when we're talking about what he was doing, he was trafficking children.
Trafficking children.
He was tailing.
John Luc Brunel was taking children, we're getting children from Eastern Europe and from other places, trafficking them across to France, flying them from France.
I think flying them from France to Newfoundland in Canada and then dropping them off and then traveling back.
So already you've got the Canadians who kind of know what's going on because I've also, I mean, what you'll find interesting, and I can give you a little, this you'll find very interesting.
I've been doing some other investigations.
There's an article I got coming out soon.
I haven't told people completely the crux.
I have said out loud the basics of it.
Is that I met someone, I've interviewed a few people, and I discovered someone who had a telephone switch in Westminster that were in the 1980s.
And he bought it from some people in America.
And it had been set up by the Mossad and by Robert Maxwell's people to ping loads of the calls from Westminster across to other countries where they could then be recorded or listened to.
And they knew what was happening in the halls of power is how Robert Maxwell was helping Israel or how we think it was Israel to spy on the world.
But Israel were making money off it.
Israel were setting it up.
Israel were funneling the information, but that information was going through Canada.
And a Canadian firm in particular, Videotron, had a load of switches within London and were working on, they were kind of breaking the rules of the telecom industry back in the day.
They were working on both sides of the river.
They had been kind of like a gentleman's agreement not to.
But Videotron, this Canadian company, started to get involved in both.
Videotron, at the time, or at the time of when I was investigating Videotron, the head was Brian Mulroney, who was one of Robert Maxwell's very close friends.
Brian Mulroney was Prime Minister during the time that Canada was doing this.
Robert Maxwell, Brian Mulroney actually talks about Robert Maxwell once inviting him to the Ritz in Montreal and him going there and him telling him Margaret Thatcher's going to stand down tomorrow and saying, oh, you know, Robert Maxwell always had access to this information.
But that's because the Canadians were helping the Israelis to spy on the British government.
Now, they're all in it together.
Every single one of them.
They like to say, oh, it's Israelis here.
Oh, it's the British here.
Oh, it's the Americans here.
It's all of them together orchestrating it.
Even the British would have known they're being spied on by their allies.
So it's a big grey intelligence blob.
That's a lot to take in.
Okay.
So, what do you mean by switches?
You mean that whenever MPs were making private phone calls, they were...
So, communication went through telecom switches, which were, like, basically bits of infrastructure, technological infrastructure that sit there.
The calls, so someone in Downing Street is going to make a call in the 80s.
It goes through a switch.
Now, if that switch has been loaded up with the right information or the right software, which is the software as well, part of the software that Robert Maxwell was helping to develop with things like promise software to spy on people at the same time.
We know that the promise software at the same time was doing exactly the same thing.
It would go to that switch.
And what we discovered is that in one case, it was going to that switch and then going to Singapore.
In another case, it was going to that switch and it was going to Sri Lanka and then back to Canada.
And in Canada, it's like a backbone of the telecommunications network.
And from there, all of that information could be spread to wherever they wanted it to go.
So basically, it was costing the people who had owned a switch.
It was costing them three, four times as much to run that switch.
And they were losing money and they couldn't work out why.
Because they were losing so much money because it was being triangulated.
They were triangulating the calls so the Mossad could listen using Canadian infrastructure.
And the Chinese were involved, by the way.
Just saying.
That's an investigation that even when I, again, when I put that out, it's going to be 10 years ahead of what the mainstream report.
None of the mainstream will report on that.
They won't dare report on that.
They won't report on how Israel and Canada were spying on Britain.
They won't do it.
I can say it out loud now and it won't be in the newspapers tomorrow.
It shouldn't be.
Of course it won't.
And it should be though.
It should be.
That should be how the media works.
It should be that someone chose something and people investigate and go, blood, yeah, that's true.
Quick, listen, it should be like that.
But, Johnny, you know why.
You're a conspiracy theorist.
You know very well why that the media is part of the problem.
They're all here together.
Is it your thesis that all the intelligence agencies, I mean, even the FSB and the Chinese and stuff, they're all in cahoots to a degree.
When they want to be, I mean, they've got to put on a show.
They've got to put on a show.
So they have their own little ecosystems.
They have their own little pools.
But here and there, they work together.
So one of the ways we can see this, and I think with China in particular, we could probably see this from about the 1960s, late 50s, 60s.
America make this decision that they're going to go along mutually assured destruction route with their philosophy from this point on.
Everybody fires nukes, everybody's dead, no one will fire nukes.
So that means that more people in just more countries than just Russia and America have to have nukes.
So they start proliferating weapons technology.
I actually have recently released an article on Substack, which is about Benazir Bhutto being trained by the same people as Klaus Schwab were being trained in Harvard, just after Klaus Schwab had been trained and going back to leak nuclear weapons technology while her father, during this period, her father was actually being given behind the scenes nuclear weapons technology by Kissinger's people as well to help with the Pakistani nuclear weapons program, Zufika Ali Bhutto.
So there's a lot of history of purposeful proliferation, including with China, including with Pakistan, including with India, including with South Africa, 1967 to onwards till he left in the early 70s.
Klaus Schwab was working for his father's old firm in a merger, Schulze Escher Weiss, and that company was later, it was outed in a Swiss inquiry that they at that time were proliferating nuclear weapons technology illegally to the apartheid South African regime while Klaus Schwab was heading the remerger.
The merger of these companies and the reformation of these companies, he was actually doing what his father had also done with the Nazis, which is proliferating nuclear weapons technology or selling nuclear weapons technology or working on nuclear weapons technology.
You use that word technology.
Does any of this stuff work?
I mean, do you believe in nuclear weapons?
Do you think there are?
I mean, they've said these tests exist.
And if we were to posit that those tests exist, and there's been loads of nuclear weapons that have been gone off, at least recorded between 1945 to 1992 or 1993, something like 2,000 weapons is meant to have gone off.
But what I've learned during my investigations on everything is that you can't believe your eyes on most things.
You have to posit that it's either this way or it is not.
So either there's been that many, if there's been that many, then we're not all dead.
But we could say maybe rates of autism and other things like that and idea that things have risen quite significantly.
Maybe that's from a multitude of different attacks on our system and an extra amount of nuclear waste in the atmosphere could probably help with all of that.
And maybe it was intentionally done to partially destroy our world so we would want to be keeping it.
But maybe, maybe it doesn't exist at all.
Irrelevant to me.
If they're going off and they're not going off, they're not going off in South Wales and they're not going off in South Wales.
Where Are The Terramar Bases?00:03:14
So it don't make no difference to me at the moment.
I have no idea.
You know, I'm well accepting that Jeffrey Epstein's alive and well, that Virginia Gouffrey is alive and well.
I can Epstein's in the district of Tel Aviv, isn't he?
I think if he would be anywhere, I think it would be a Terramar out in the middle of the sea.
A Terramar.
Now, tell me about Terra Mar.
What's a Terramar?
Well, Ghelane Maxwell was working on a project called Terramar.
It was building a sea base out in the middle of nowhere.
Now, if you are the elites and you want to build a most amazing sea base out in a place where no ships ever go past, no planes ever go past, no satellites ever functioned to look at, you could have a life where everything goes on, a whole different world, a whole different society.
And they were forming this.
They were creating this.
Terramar was a project.
And she was really serious.
Ghelane Maxwell was really serious about Terramar.
Now, if you think, okay, if they're creating a place for them all to go that's impossible for us to find or see, and where they can do what they want, and then they all start disappearing, one by one, what are we going to think is happening?
Are we going to think that they're all dying?
Are we going to think they're all hanging out in a place that we could actually capture them by camera?
I think they're going to be somewhere far away and I think Terramar would be the bill bit the bill.
So is that where Bowie is?
What David Bowie?
I thought he was in Antarctica, but I I like the idea that he could be, you know, in a sort of no, he's a big Captain Nemo type setup.
No he's, he's life on the bottom.
Maybe he's learning the organ like Captain Nemo.
He already didn't use the organ.
I reckon he already knew automate.
Yeah.
Ground control to Terramar.
No, actually, he's probably with some of the...
Who's Rick Wakeman?
Is he dead?
I don't know.
You know Rick Waitman from Rick Waitman?
Do you know Rick Wakeman?
No, no, I can't.
I can't do a Rick Waitman impersonation.
He's got or had long hair, but I'm sure he played the organ, didn't he?
On Spiders from Mars.
No, no, no.
Rick Waitman was a different band.
So, um, Terramar.
You see, I knew you were Terramar.
Listen, I got a lot of songs on my plate.
Terrama.
Teramar.
Teramar.
So where do you think the Terramar bases are?
in the Marianas Trench or something?
Well, if you, if you actually look, okay, try it.
Try looking at where planes fly.
Try looking at where ships go.
And then just imagine where they would want it.
And from the triangle.
I don't know.
I think that's going to be.
want to be too far away you wouldn't want to be in the middle of yeah you mentioned where no nobody goes nobody looks but you at the same time she's gonna you're not gonna want to go on holiday to malaga No, not Malaga.
Vulnerable Kids Grooming Lure00:09:52
That's silly.
But they might want to go to a holiday to Costa Rica.
I don't think so.
I think that if you reform or you form an entire new society that's perfect to you.
What, of sort of pedos, of city creepy pedos?
Yes.
Yes.
This is what.
This is, unfortunately, you know, I wouldn't have even said that a couple of years ago.
I would have accepted that.
I sound a bit mad at least if I did say that.
But it's pretty obvious that these guys have issues, significant issues.
Well, because a lot of them have been sexually abused from birth, pretty much.
Man, fractured personalities.
Unfortunately, our society, and even down in standard society, doesn't really protect children.
And when you do try and protect children, you find that the organizations that are built to protect children actually hinder any investigation and look after the system and the structure itself.
Because that's gone.
Yeah, but it's continued.
It's continued on and on in a way that is honestly, if you see it sometimes, you're just like, how can these people not see they're the evil ones?
But the fact is, is that's the way life is.
These people exist.
At some point, we've got to get over the fact that they believe this or they like this or they want this.
We've got to get over that fact.
We can't understand it, but it's true.
So we've got to get over that fact and start then working on, well, if that's true, what does it mean?
And it means that if they are in control of society and they want to build a new society in their image, it'll be pretty dark and it'll be fueled from our children.
Oh, you mean they'll launch forays from the do you know how many children go missing?
I mean, it's insane numbers, insane people going missing.
I can't even remember if it's children or people, but I mean, for a two, three-year period in America, it's something like 325,000 people go missing across the water alone.
300, that's crazy.
Missing people, the amount of missing people in every country is insane.
I think there's very likely that there's a whole, I mean, it's not very likely.
It's proven that there's masses of networks that systematically groom, lure, groom, and brainwash children into being slaves for them.
That is what the Epstein operation was.
When I was researching for One Nation under Blackmail, part of the thing I had to research was something that later became the Epstein 101 series.
One of the episodes that was lure, grooming and abuse.
They were straight in.
They knew what they lure it to lure kids.
There's a technique.
To groom kids, there's a technique.
They employed those techniques systematically because they were that operation.
They were there grooming young girls for that reason and looking for ones who could be used for other operations and other purposes.
We know those exist.
We've seen them over and over again.
To now think that they don't exist now because we've seen them.
That would be crazy.
They are everywhere and it is systematic.
And out on your streets, yeah, your kid might not go missing.
But that would then not mean that no kids are going missing in the world.
It means that the vulnerable kids are the ones who get picked off.
And there's a lot of vulnerable kids out there.
There's a lot of kids who don't have parents who are very good.
There's a lot of parents who are just completely lost.
They got no sense whatsoever.
I go out and see some of the people on the streets.
They can barely look after themselves, let alone children, and they've got five children.
So, I mean, there's going to be loads of things like this.
And if we actually examine the witness testimony in the Epstein case, they were systematic.
They were going out there.
They knew what they were doing.
They knew what they were looking for.
And the more you do it as well, the more you detach.
If a girl is going every day to a place where they're being lured, groomed for sex, their behavior changes.
Their behavior changes towards their family.
Their family starts to notice their behavioral change.
They start to question them.
It separates them from their family.
And soon those girls or boys run away from home and go elsewhere.
And then, in running away from home and going elsewhere, they run into the arms of their abusers and become part of the traffic network.
And that is a loop that goes around.
In the luring and grooming stage, that it also, a large part of that is separating those kids from their families and making them after a deer by different rules in a different system.
And then slowly they detach them from the family until they themselves reject their own family because they have been groomed.
So, that system, that systematic nature, that's what grooming does.
It separates people.
And those kids, we don't see them as going missing either because they've had enough of their families.
It looks like they've made the decision themselves.
But it's a selection of illegal processes of harassment, of abuse, of psychological coercion that have led them to basically feel like they are closer to these people who they've got a twisted version of love with.
And sexual abuse is a twisted version of love.
I was groomed for two years by a prolific sex offender called Paul Lavanchi.
He got tried in a court.
He had molested a three and a half year old at the same time he was grooming me.
And the things he would say to me were both horrible, disgusting, and twisted and loving.
So he would say things that were almost like he loved me, but he would describe what that was, and it did not sound like love.
Now, if then that goes on to something else, that'll twist you up forever.
That'll mess you up forever.
I mean, it's hard.
It's hard to understand.
I know I had a very good friend, won't say his name, but a very good friend who was abused all throughout being a kid.
And he told me he now finds much older men attractive.
So in the 60s and 70s, he often gets with guys who he looks after as they die.
He's totally loving.
And he told me that he doesn't even think he would be homosexual if it wasn't for the abuse.
He thinks he would have been straight.
And so there's a lot of things that happen in that process that we then no longer know how to attach responsibility or accountability for and look seemingly natural.
You know, now, if you take away all of those things and you lock someone in a room and imagine they have their own terror ma.
Imagine it's their rules that apply.
Those people have no idea of what justice will be.
Kids can be brought up in a world where they have no idea what is going on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, somebody just Another wrong digression.
Somebody told me about this town.
You'll know about it in America, in one of the American states, on a lake, which is basically a sort of pedo, sort of normal, normalizes paedophilia.
No, I don't know about this place.
Oh, okay.
Somebody watching this.
Well, I've talked about on the previous podcast.
Shifty Lake.
Yeah, it is.
It is non-sill.
Exactly.
Disneyland.
Yeah, there you go.
Florida.
Just Florida.
You're talking about Florida.
Yeah.
So, so these children, okay, so they're satisfying the perverse urges of, I hate to call them elites, the predator class or whatever.
They're a bunch of perves, aren't they?
Yeah, no satisfaction.
I don't think there's, I don't think that's, I don't think they don't think that's what it is, but it's something that's not compromised.
It's about it's obviously loads of different Epstein.
The most of the girls who were molested was molested by Epstein for his own personal gratification.
So yeah, to an extent, satisfaction, but it's, I think, gratis, the gratify gratification is the perverse pleasure of bullying these children.
Yeah, yeah.
And the witness testimony, a lot of the witness testimony is a mixture between either he was extremely loving towards them and extremely caring and like a father figure to being extremely aggressive and extremely forceful and dominating.
So I think it depended on the nature of the girl themselves, how he would target them.
And what age are we talking about here?
Because we only know about Virginia Giuffray when she was 17 with Prince Andrew.
I mean, there must have been.
So he seems to be, he seems, and this by a lot of the testimony, 13 to 18, same as George Huntington Hartford II, who mimicked Epstein's life in many different ways back 30, 40 years before.
He liked girls prime, and that was between the ages of 13 and 18.
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They described as that.
When one girl brought home a girl who was 18 or 19 to Epstein, she was reprimanded, told off, and said, Don't bother bringing back anyone that old.
Right.
And what about the other visitors to Epstein Island?
Were they being sort of hooked up with whatever age Epstein Island is New York House was much more the El Brillo 358 El Brillo way was a house of hell.
That was where the majority of Epstein's victims were molested.
They were groomed from the West Palm Beach, from the slum areas of Palm Beach by all the different network, the top girls that Epstein had working for him.
And they would bring these much younger girls into the house.
So most of the stuff, and all of the people who went to these places, there would be some who would have sent something was weird, but wouldn't have seen anything, but would have seen that it was full of young girls everywhere and would have made their own judgments from that.
And there were a load who would be obviously really positively smiling about the whole thing.
And I'm sure they probably would be offered certain things because this was everything was kind of free for Epstein, you know, and Epstein's friends.
That's the whole point.
It's a party boat.
It's a place where they all go, they all indulge.
And in that way, everybody's in it together.
There is no compromise.
They compromise themselves.
You're just part of it.
And he would film all this.
I don't think so.
Like in Foxcote House, so I have to be careful about how I talk about Foxcote House because I know someone who was there the night of the meeting.
I know I've talked to someone.
I have that person's information.
We've talked a fair few times.
He gave me a load of information.
I know there was a fair few people at Foxcote House.
Some of them were on camera units.
One of those camera units was identical to one that was in the island houses and looked like it had been made, a signature piece made for both places.
So there's obviously they have, I think they have back then, they had rooms hooked up with cameras and the like.
But I think the guests who go there know that fully well.
You're not going, you're not going to go somewhere like that to an obvious compromise operation and not know you're being compromised.
And you have to think about whether or not that person's bottom line is enough to accept being compromised.
So if it's a senator in Foxcote House and they're about to make love to the most beautiful woman who is going to be completely and utterly mind-blowing in every different way and an intellectual equal, if not superior, and totally blow your mind.
If that is their bottom line, they're on the party boat.
They don't care if cameras are up.
They don't care.
There's no chance in their life that they're going to get to sleep with a six foot seven supermodel.
They just do not care.
Being on the party boat, it doesn't even matter anymore whether this camera's there or not.
But there's got to have been some classic compromise.
But I think it is tongue-in-cheek compromise.
A lot of this was just everybody was in it together.
If one person got affected, the whole network got affected, which is what we're seeing now.
So they compromised themselves by just being a part of it.
That's interesting.
So they just sort of thought safety and numbers.
Yeah, I can see that on paper this looks bad if I'm filmed having sex with an underage child, say, and it could be used against me.
But look, there's X, Y, and Z, and they're even more famous than me.
And well, even so, think about it like this.
So, so what you just said there, imagine the process that it would have to come to that authorities or the public are seeing a famous person molesting a child.
You wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
It would be held by Department of Justice or FBI.
It would only be viewed by a very small amount of judges and jury if it ever did come out.
And likelihood is, it would only come out if it was found after someone else had been arrested and they had found where all of this compromise was.
Otherwise, why would it come out at all?
It's very rare amount of circumstances that someone would use that compromise because, in using that compromise, they're saying, look, that person did that in my house.
And if that person got questioned by the police or the FBI, they're going to go in, say, a senator who's say a senator has gone to El Brillo Way, stayed in the first room in the El Brillo Way mansion, met Epstein, got given a 14-year-old girl to go off, make love to whatever.
You know, I say that, have sex, rape, abuse, you go down the thing, but it's all about keywords and getting blocked online.
Actually, like, abuses a girl, gets recorded on camera, yeah, doing that, and then Epstein goes and says, I'm going to show someone that.
Why would you do that?
It would compromise him.
It wouldn't even make sense.
It'd have to be through like detached.
That would only work if they were in another hotel or they were in another house or in another someone else's things.
And look, we've got you doing this elsewhere because you wouldn't be inviting someone over to your house to break the law.
You wouldn't be inviting someone over to your house to do that if you're going to then use that against them with the authorities.
None of that makes any sense.
So I think once people start to actually analyze how compromise works, the idea that you would invite them over to your own house, record them doing something, and then use that evidence against people.
That is, I think that's mad.
Yeah.
So just in a nutshell, what was the purpose then of this?
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Compromise, but compromise by people being involved in the same business.
You're buying people off.
You're not buying people off with fear all the time.
If you've got 100 different currencies and one of them is using fear, intimidation, blackmail, compromise, and the rest of them is just giving everybody everything they desire and they want, which one are you going to use by default?
There's no point in doing the negative one over and over again, especially if you want repeat business off these guys.
You're working with them all the time.
You're friends with them all the time.
You want them just to be on the party boat.
That's why the difference between the party boat idea comes into effect, because, well, the party boat is different from compromise.
They're not taking pictures or things like that.
They're just getting on the boat.
And in being on that boat, everybody protects each other automatically, partially because they don't want to be caught.
They don't want to go down with the enterprise, but also partially because they want to continue having whatever they want that they can't get elsewhere.
Right.
Right.
Can you explain to me briefly what fifth generation warfare is?
Because you said this is what's going on right now, all these Epstein revelations.
Yeah.
So the easiest way to describe previous generations of warfare, there is a full list of it, you know, from sticks and stones, muskets and the like.
There's lots of generations of warfare, but a lot of it in the past has been about kinetic warfare.
So it's about shooting somebody, about firing a missile at somebody, it's about blowing somebody up.
We have battles where loads of people die because of explosions and projectiles, etc.
Back in the day, it was spears.
Nowadays, they kind of reformed it.
Once they worked out how technology will work, well, in the future, if we have all drones, it's very hard for us to kill each other.
It'll end up just be robots fighting robots mostly, you know, and robots could butcher people with 100% accuracy.
If you give a man a musket and you send him out to a field, he can fire 100 musket balls and maybe injure one person.
The chance you can actually kill someone with a musket is very, very small.
Rifle, more.
Machine gun, much more, but still, you've only got a limited amount.
Maybe your shot to death rate at most will be a 0.002 or something.
With robots, it's 100%.
They don't miss.
So that warfare will be a thing of the past.
There's no point in just everybody just obliterating, robots just going around obliterating everybody.
No one would allow it.
It would just go crazy and it would just be mad.
Again, it's like a form of mutually assured destruction.
So they decided that there has to be other, you know, they posited this beforehand in through the 50s, 60s, 70s, it developed more and more.
And it's the idea of using psychological operations.
It's using tactics like flooding the zone.
It's using mind war.
What's flooding the zone?
So too much information.
Yeah, flooding the zone is like what we're seeing now with the Epstein files.
So you got a load of unredacted court documents, unredacted flight logs, unredacted address books in the public domain.
You can't take them out of the public domain.
They're all over the place.
But if you want to make it so that people don't even look at them anymore or even know they exist, you flood that zone full of other information.
So you redact all of those flight logs, you redact all of those address books, you redact all those court documents, and then you re-release them as though it's a special release.
And then you release more files, you release other crappy redacted photos, and soon people cannot even find the old unredacted stuff anymore.
They're too busy looking at the same thing redacted.
And so it's an amazing piece of theater because then people moan about the fact that there's redactions.
So then the next wave, they'll unredact it a tiny little bit more, release it again.
So there's even more stuff out there.
And then it gets to the point where then you're like, no, we want the unredacted files.
And eventually they can release the unredacted files.
It's 20 years on.
Everybody who's involved in the case has died or is too old and can claim dementia anyway.
And the whole thing has been blown over, just as always.
Now, in event 201, Matthew Harrington was there for Edelman PR and he suggested through COVID, the best way to manage the information is by flooding the zone.
We get as many voices as we can to say anti-vaxxers bad, anti-vaxxers bad.
We've put all of the sanctions we can and we just flood the zone with information, pro-vaccine information, pro-vaccine propaganda, every single angle, whether it's true or not.
Flood out our voices, me and you.
Flood out our voices completely.
Flooding the zone.
These are all types of tactics.
You know, back in the day, the guy who run Ederman PR, the guy who created it, was a guy who, Daniel J. Ederman, he was originally running psyops during World War II, which with leaflet drops over Germany, trying to convince them to go against and to rebel and to make them think that the war was already over and they were just around the corner, etc.
And he went on to be one of the main marketers.
And a lot of psyops, a lot of fifth-generation warfare tactics are just marketing tactics.
They're just ways to make us change our behavior and make us think a certain way.
So Nudge Firi, Richard Thaler's Nudge Fury, that was incorporated into governments like in America and Britain under Cameron and Obama, who in 2008 Edge Masterclass funded by Epstein, Richard Thaler presented six different masterclasses over six days to some of the heads of the tech industries on how to manipulate people by using social media and poverty.
This is what fifth generation warfare tactics are.
And the other thing is create the media, create the masses of the media.
Now, the main guy who's been designing this, partially for tier one forces in the past, so JSOC organizations such as SEAL Team 6, of course, tier 1 organizations are even above the CIA.
You'll never get to, there's no reveal of documents from those guys, completely black ops.
The DIA as well were run by General Flynn throughout the noughties.
His protégé is Matthew Pottinger, who I've written about his father a lot, John Stanley Pottinger.
And General Michael Flynn has been writing about fifth generation warfare and has been involved in loads of different media institutes for ages and ages, manipulating and placing fake media people into the IFA.
And the majority, like you're talking, it might be 60, 70, maybe even 80% of the media that the people out there are consuming, all of the indie media all of these other neo-mainstream media like Alex Jones and stuff.
A lot of this is all created.
It's all funded.
It's all part of what is fifth generation warfare.
They need to have as many people to flood the zone.
When you go to your 4U page on Twitter and you're looking through your 4U page, when a big event happens, every single account tweets the same thing.
They're being told and paid to tweet that same thing.
And it's all of them.
And some other accounts just jump on board because they're like, everybody's doing this.
I should do this too.
And those people are the people who will get recruited afterwards.
Those people, you could just mute, mute, mute, mute, because they are just fifth generation warfare accounts.
They're just being used and manipulated to sway the narrative whenever they want to sway the narrative.
And you need to have a load of people that people trust.
The Candice Owens, the Tucker Carlsons.
You look at all of these people, they've all got this point where you get back and you go, oh, actually, that moment in their life doesn't make any sense.
That moment is the bit where the, you know, they show for a moment.
Like with Tucker Carlson, like the first thing he does out to university, what's he do?
Go to the CIA, get told, or get refused a job.
Or they didn't want me at the CIA, boo-hoo-hoo-hoo.
They didn't want you at the CIA, or you actually currently still work for the CIA.
She goes to Central America.
It's all of it.
All of it is suspicious.
All of, I mean, if you look at any construct, you can see a point.
Pinochet went to the school of the Americas.
You know, you got all of these different people go to a moment where they go to a training course.
Kissinger's International Seminar, Klaus Schwab.
You know, these people all get trained, they all get put into place.
But the media is the main thing in fifth-generation warfare.
You can, he who controls really the media controls the world.
It's like, it's like, hey, that might have been on a truth bomb that you were on with your brother, a picture of George Orwell, and he who controls the past controls the future.
Okay.
Yeah, that is very much.
Didn't you have a thing with kittens or something?
Yeah, there was puppies.
Puppies that's puppies.
Lovely.
Do you think so?
Organizations like GB News are definitely fifth generation.
It stinks, stinks, stinks to high heaven.
GB News stinks to high heaven.
Or P.S. Morgan stinks to higher.
The people who are on PS Morgan, a load of them, not all of them, but a load of them like different ones and ones who are plugging my articles elsewhere, but won't talk about me on anything or won't talk about any of our work on those because they're also part of other weird organizations that only use other people's work to gain credibility.
Mike Benz is one of those, I'd say.
He was part of the frame game, which was a load of Jewish people doing anti-Zionist posts to make everybody think that there was more anti-sorry, anti-Semitic posts.
So people thought there was more anti-Semitism than there actually was.
It was called the Frame Game.
They were employed to do that.
Then you look at the people who Mike Benz pushes out, people like Ryan Dawson, who dresses Epstein up as just the Mossad and makes it into an anti-Semitic trope.
So what Ryan Dawson does.
Yeah.
So Ryan Dawson does that.
He's pushed out by Mike Benz all the time.
Ryan Dawson wouldn't even talk about Junckerman and people.
I was trying to push him to talk about it.
Me and him don't get on.
He dared.
He dared.
He called Whitney a plagiarist on multiple occasions because at one time, apparently, there was one line in something that she put that she didn't accredit to him in one line.
And he tried to apply that to me at one point.
He was in an interview with Maria Farmer, who had paid people.
Maria Farmer had already paid people to say shit about me and say bad stuff about me.
So she's obviously not my friend, but she was in a podcast and he said, oh, they mentioned something to do with me.
And he said, oh, they're plagiarists.
And like, Ryan Dawson's too scared to report on anything I report on.
He doesn't report on anything I report on because he's a little chicken.
He's too scared to, because he works for these people who were meant to.
The reason why a load of these people live out far away as well is because they can then get away with doing operations.
You can't work domestically.
And I think Ryan Dawson goes under that banner.
It stinks of the frame game.
So it's not a surprise that Mike Benz, who was part of the frame game for pro-Zionist organizations, are employing people like that.
Not a surprise.
That's really interesting.
I bet you'd be my good go-to for when I'm trying to work out who's actually for real.
It seems not many of us, I don't think.
No, no, not many.
And to be perfectly honest, what I discovered is I probably, in doing what I do, I've probably got about, I say about eight to 11 handlers, people who come into my life.
Some of them are more obvious, some of them are others, and they try and push me in certain ways, try and get me to do certain things.
They're employed to make certain people in the media try and say certain things or try and do certain things, or sometimes just to undermine their platform.
They gain trust over time and then they try and undermine your platform.
So there's a load of other players who are not even just not even in the independent media sphere.
Maybe you are guests.
Maybe you are people who are writing books and stuff who also is hard to trust them.
But you discover that when you've got handlers like that, you know what their game is.
You don't give away that you know what their game is.
That's you don't just not work with people.
You try and work out who they are, whether you're right.
You watch their tactics.
You try to understand what you find funny about them, what you're not sure about.
And then you decide how far you're willing to get behind them or trust them or be part of whatever they want to create.
Because dependent on how much you think that they're dodgy, you have to, in a sense, step over the line on many occasions doing this work.
And that's why I went to Rome.
When the Vatican asked me to go to Rome, loads of people said, oh, don't go, don't go.
And I was like, I'm an investigative journalist.
An investigative journalist doesn't investigate by not going into and also pasta.
Now, that's the other thing.
I said I could end up spending my time in Italian prison, but I could also end up spending a few days eating carbonara.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I know.
So why not?
Johnny, I've loved talking to you.
It's been really good.
We must do it again soon.
I look forward to it.
The rain's just started thundering down on my skylights right now.
So obviously I'm going to be stuck in the house for a bit.
But I tell you, I have a lot of time for you, James.
If you want to ever have a sit down, have a conversation about anything, just have a chat.
I love it.
I love it.
Do you think I'm real?
Do you think I'm not real?
Mostly.
You're mostly real.
But yeah, but I mean, we're all driven by, I'm positive that we disagree on loads of different things, and that is very human.
And we may hold allegiance to different people, and that is very human.
But you're also very human.
This is one of the things about your brother as well.
I feel like I'm talking to a real person.
So that's a good sign.
That's good.
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