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Firing Blowpipes Safely00:03:34
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Forward slash, James Dash, Dellingpole.
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Welcome back to the Dellingpod, Leo Biddle.
Um, the first thing i've got to ask is, how are the orangutans?
They're doing very well.
One made a spirited escape uh, two days ago so uh, that that was a fun moment.
But uh, we got it back.
All okay.
I mean how I it's not.
I mean it doesn't, it's not a daily occurrence, but but with orangutan one, they're masters of escape.
But two, we've um got semi-wild free living orangutan uh that are living in the forest adjacent to the center, and most frequently is one of them comes back and damages a cage from the outside, or uh frozen a tree branch or something like that.
And in this case, what one ripped through the top of the cage?
Do you have to use like tranquilizer darts or stuff like that?
Well, we use blowpipes uh.
Guns are very heavily regulated here and yet ironically, nearly everyone's got a shotgun.
But um, we're not legally allowed to have access to what was deemed a fire uh arm uh, the tranquilizer guns that you see in movies.
So we just use a blowpipe and fire uh syringes into them, even where we have to, with a lot of the orangutan um the, the.
We've got keepers or myself that they know very well, and if they're safe enough um, obviously they're wild animals, but quite often they will still do what we ask them to, especially if we bribe them with food to come back into the enclosure.
That's the heavily habituated ones.
If there's an emergency um, it is more frequent that there's a danger to another animal life.
Uh, the male orangutan might be trying to fight another male orangutan or be busting open a cage that's got gibbons or something like that in.
Then we blowpipe them and then um uh yeah, then they're sedated and the people who, who fire the blowpipes, are they natives who've been brought up to?
Uh no well, i've got my main that.
The manager of the center now for for me under my charity, is a guy called Dominic.
He's wicked shot.
Um, I got fairly good because it's something that you have to do and I mean you practice before you start firing at the animals.
Um, it's very strange actually, because I wouldn't say my eye hand coordination is particularly strong, like catching them throwing balls.
As a kid it was never like a strong skill for me, but there's something about intentionality, so I i'm very good at archery um, I can't understand why like, I picked up a bow and it just worked for me, but a bit with a blowpipe um, because sometimes you know you're shooting at quite long distances or shooting up in a tree and you visualize where, where the dart's going to go.
I tell you James, it's weird how accurate, like it's, like the intentionality makes it go there, or adrenaline, who knows.
That's really interesting.
This is a conversation I never expected to be having this morning about how to fire a blowpipe.
I thought you were going to tell me yes, we've got a former headhunter from the, FROM THE SEA Diaks, and and, and he that, not so much in the Malaysian part where I am, but in Indonesia, people still hunt with blowpipes.
So uh um, and historically people up here did as well, but in the north they've all switched over to where shotguns now anyway.
Volunteers and Crocodiles00:06:21
So for people who haven't met you before, they may have, they may have got an inkling that you're not a normal person.
Um, you don't definitely not a Normie.
You live in Sarawak um, and you've you've got a sort of animal sanctuary which has got orangutans and you've got every, every endangered species on the island where we deal with any of the wildlife.
So we're.
It's famous for orangutan, but actually we deal with a lot of, a lot more other animals that than we do, orangutans, so sunbears crocodiles, but any primate species um, a lot of the big wild animals in Borneo are endangered.
So pretty much everything that you find here and you've got somewhere an Estuarine, an escaped Estuarine crocodile, it's still out.
James, it's still out.
Man, it's been about two years.
I don't think we're seeing that one again, and that was a big one and and a former man-eater yeah, and so no wild swimming for you.
No, we don't let any of our volunteers swim there.
I mean the.
The crocodiles almost definitely left the the, I mean i'm pretty sure it's left the center um, and the rivers that that come into the national park where I am.
They won't really support a big crocodile like that.
There aren't enough fish, but during a particularly rainy monsoon season, such as it is now, when the waters come up again, there's very much a chance that it could come back in.
So no, my staff still swim in the river, but then they're fairly good with crocodiles so that they're looking first.
But um yeah, I don't let my um volunteers swim in there.
I like the idea that you can be fairly good with crocodiles.
That just means being able to spot them.
Yeah, to a degree.
Well, when Don text volunteers, the manager that I mentioned, he's been working with wildlife for even longer than I have.
He really is phenomenally skilled with them and very knowledgeable about them.
So if he were down and supervising the area, you know, then if volunteers, they're adults and they wanted to swim, we would let them.
We just don't let them wander down on their own.
Right.
I still get, I think that's really last time.
I still get shudders at the memory when I was in Zaire and we were crossing this river on a ferry.
It was a tributary of the Congo.
I can't remember what.
And I remember just being so hot, I just thought, I'm going to dive in and swim across that river.
And I'm sure it wasn't a wise idea.
I mean, I didn't get eaten, as you can see.
But do you reckon?
I mean, should you be swimming across rivers in Africa?
No, anywhere where there's crocs, I wouldn't swim.
They're master ambush predators.
So unless you knew the area very well.
And even then, I mean, they can move over land quite big distances.
Although the man-eaters, ones that get over five meters typically, they struggle on land.
They're too heavy, like their weight pushes them into the land too much.
But no, croc crocs are, I've got to say, I'm quite scared of crocodiles now.
When I first started doing this, I would always want to jump on the head, ask someone to get a photo so I could send to my mates and go, yeah, I jumped on a crocodile.
But the longer I've done it, and after a few of my, everyone's survived, but I've had a couple of staff get quite horribly mangled by crocs.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, survive it, as I say, and still working, but like the power on those things is just phenomenal.
How did they get mangled?
One guy in particular, the croc was, we'd covered its eyes with a t-shirt, which, you know, is all the professional capture tools that we often have.
And it wasn't that big.
It's only about three, four meters, although that's big enough.
And as he went to jump, the crocod moved a little bit and the t-shirt moved its eyes.
So the croc just snapped as the guy was mid-air and he kind of almost escaped it.
But the mouth or the bones of the skull just smashed his hand to pieces.
It's absolutely horrific.
Still got metal in his hand now to this day.
And, you know, that guy had caught an awful lot of crocodiles before, you know, but perhaps even more than me, I would suspect.
So that was a bit of a turning point for me because it's quite grim.
But the guy's quite a tough guy.
And we're like, whoa, whoa, hospital, you've got to go.
You've got to go.
And some of my volunteers were around and watching as we were doing this.
So he walks up, like maybe in a shock, but a bit of a tough guy.
And he waved at the volunteers with the injured hand.
And they were filming, yeah?
It was like a horror movie, James.
On the video, you could see it was showing this part of his hand, but the skin, it was like a half D gloving, just came off, and you could see the bones of his hand as he was waving.
It's like, oh, it was just horrific, man.
Well, I think people have picked up a very good tip from this podcast already, which is don't piss about with crocodiles.
Despite their phenomenal power, they're actually quite an easy animal to predict.
So they're really not the most dangerous animal we work with.
I think bears are way up there.
And because of the intelligence, a rangutan can be pretty dangerous too.
But the sun bear, even though it's very, very small, smaller than a rock viola, well, those things are phenomenal.
Definitely, they're the ones that I go on guard the most with when we have to go hands-on.
But you think I'm trying to recall what a sunbear looks like.
They're quite sweet, aren't they?
Quite sweet looking.
They look super sweet.
Yeah, yeah, super sweet.
And they're quite small.
The locals call them a dog bear.
They're very dog-like in some ways, but um, no, those things when they get angry, they are unbelievably powerful.
It's their claws, presumably, that get you.
No, it's their bite, it's absolutely savage.
So, so another name for them is uh honey bear.
Um, and what they'll often do is that they'll come to uh uh what is it called, a beehive, sorry, uh, in English, uh, that's nested inside a tree, and their bite is strong enough, they will just start biting out the tree.
And then you can tell if a sunbear's done that, if you're walking through the forest, you're like big, solid hardwood trees, and it looks like a grenade's gone off in the middle, like it's just destroyed outwards.
And it's the sunbear, and they use their mouth for that.
I mean, they've got phenomenal claws as well, and you certainly wouldn't want to get scratched by them, but it's the bite that's so powerful, really, really strong.
Rats, Swabs, and Nosebleeds00:09:45
Now, before we started this podcast, you sent me some photographs as you do of a rat being dissected or something.
I did dissect it later on, yeah, but at that time it was just under anesthesia, right?
And tell me about the photograph, okay?
So, um, going back to well, this would have been 2020 now, and uh, the whole scandemic, um, uh, before the vaccines have come out, certainly long before that, I was paying quite a lot of attention to the PCR sort of debacle that was going on.
And uh, I was interested only from a point of morbid curiosity, you understand.
I didn't, I wasn't worried that the orangutan had COVID, but I wanted to know how the tests work because I'm, I don't know, a bit autismal on that, in that I always want to prove things for myself, especially since there's so many lies online.
So, I hopefully I won't get arrested for saying this, but I went to a hospital and stole a whole lot of COVID swabs.
Now, they're just well, they're meant to be just regular cotton swabs.
Long story short, when I opened one of these with the thorough intention of testing the orangutan that I had to sedate for another reason, I thought there's no harm in just swabbing it and I'll see what results are coming back.
Um, but as I pulled it out, I looked at it, I was like, Oh, that's a very unusual swab.
You know, I've used swabs a lot before, and I rubbed the tip of it in my finger and uh between my finger and thumb, and I noticed that all these uh small white shards were sticking out of my finger and thumb.
So, at first, I thought there's something wrong with this swab, and I got quite a lot of them.
So, then I uh took, I forget how many I opened up, probably about five or ten just to confirm.
Like, nope, they're all the same.
And then, just in good conscience, knowing that this wasn't, you know, an error, uh, might have been a 40 batch, I thought, back then.
I thought, well, I can't put that in orangutan's nose because these things are going to come out and embed into it into it.
So, I put the orangutan way and didn't do a test, but then later on, came back to my clinic and put the swabs underneath a microscope and started looking at them.
And then, um, yeah, basically, that these things aren't cotton swabs whatsoever.
It was only government and hospital-issued COMVID swabs that were doing this.
You know, the store-bought ones, I bought and tested every brand available to me.
Uh, they were all cotton uh fibers, it was just the ones that were rolled out, invented in Bergamo, Italy.
Remember that first uh big curve that popped up?
So, one of the plucky doctors there, in between sort of like managing all the dead, invented a swab that would be more accurate for testing COVID.
But it's made of nylon, but anyway, it is a long story, but but to give it in a nutshell for your audience, or um, that I had it replicated in Singapore and in Indonesia that I had access to.
Yeah, uh, same hospital-issued swabs for two years, only the first two years mined, and then it went back to regular swabs.
Yeah, all of them.
I had people that I'm inclined to trust, but I couldn't verify it for myself, confirmed the same in England.
I've got very high confidence in the individual there, uh, and in America and in Australia.
So it looks like worldwide there was a unique swab going out.
And what I've learned from testing multiple batches of these now is that they were all the same.
Those fibers in the photograph that I sent you are designed to detach.
That's clearly atrogenic.
I'm not saying what they do.
I don't know, but it's concerning.
And not just one or two, James.
You would have seen from the rat thing, it congregated around the tongue because it was asleep.
It was still alive, obviously, and sham-chewing.
So it was licking a lot of where I'd stuck the swab in.
I'd had to put it in its mouth because rats have quite small nostrils.
So a lot had aggregated on its tongue and they were all pierced, embedded into the tongue.
But then finishing that, and I'm happy to take any questions on it and go into it deeper.
It took me a few years actually to summon up the nerve, I guess, to actually torture an animal.
That's not what I do.
And not a link.
No, no, exactly.
Yeah.
But I felt and I was trying to get traction on my observation about the swabs.
And, you know, many friends had certainly helped try to promote it, but we were going nowhere with it.
Like, if you wanted to fake a pandemic, there's a whole bunch that could be explained by these dodgy swabs.
Not least that originally they were putting them very high up people's nose to the cruciform plate, which is where the olfactory bulb is.
And one thing that I think some people have been acting in good faith with is saying, look, I lost my sense of smell for months.
And it's like, well, if you put hundreds of sharp nylon needles into the olfactory bulb, and the cruciform plate is very soft bone, you could actually scratch it with your thumb now and scratch the bone, unlike other bones.
These things would have been embedded in there.
For sure, it could have caused an osmia, the loss of the sense of smell.
But worse, when I finally threw the balls to actually torture some rats, I mean, I didn't, sorry, tortures may be a bit too extreme.
I knew this was not good for them.
I used to run some restaurants.
And well, in fact, actually, I've reopened a restaurant.
So we're in Asia.
There's rats everywhere.
We normally just kill the rats.
Yeah.
So instead, I put like capture traps, snap traps, rather.
But I swapped them out for capture ones to live capture them, fed them as good as I could while I kept them, but then started sedating them and swabbing them.
One, to get that photo that I sent you, but I did that for varying periods of time.
I want to do some more detailed tests and get better photographs because I was just taking photographs from my phone and doing it on my own.
But just before I left Borneo the last time for my visit back to the UK, I slaughtered the last of the rats that I had and dissected them.
I found those fibers in the lung tissue and a higher aggregation in the stomach and GI tract.
And it's like, oh my word, that that is just and I'm not saying Morgellons, nanotech or any like obviously the one people always talk about graphene oxide.
I'm just saying that the nylon shards on these swabs were designed to come off and were embedding and could have been inhaled into the lungs.
That's going to be extraordinary.
So there were stories, weren't there?
I remember stories of parents going to the go on family holidays with their children and having sometimes to do a swab test at the airport or at the border or something.
And they'd encountered really zealous people who'd really shoved it right up the nose to where making the children cry.
I wonder, I mean, it's hard to know, isn't it, how on board with the program these people are, whether it's just they, what would be the rationale for shoving it so high up?
Well, none whatsoever.
I mean, you can spit into a vial if that's all you wanted.
Think, I mean, I think it was worse in Asia.
As much as I like the place and they're very friendly, they're a little bit more brutal.
I was treating a lot of nasal abscesses in people who'd been swapped.
Lots of nosebleeds.
Many people here were reporting not just minor, like little dribs of blood, but like quite heavy nosebleeds.
You were treating them yourself.
Yeah, I run a little resistance thing to the few people that were scared of the government, and they would come around where I'm living now.
And then they were so scared of hospitals, they wouldn't go anywhere near to a hospital.
And multiple of them were suffering from heavy nosebleeds.
And a lady I was dating at the time had one swap to get back into the country, and she developed a horrific abscess in her nose.
Orange kind of how did you treat them?
Oh, just saline flush.
I mean, what can you really do?
Antibiotics in one case?
I mean, like, yeah.
So, I mean, it's indicative of my own journey.
And I think this applies to a lot of us.
In 2020, I was, although I knew not to take any of the death jabs, I was still doing well, I did it once, mainly to sort of appease my family, because I said, look, you can just dip the swab into anything.
You can get a negative test just.
But they insisted.
And I was bullied by my family into using these swabs.
I was still that naive then that I thought, jab, obviously bad, but swabs, they're not going to get us that way.
Well, maybe I was lucky because I probably didn't use a hospital swab.
So those people who went to hospital and they were massively diagnosing people.
If people were going into hospital with something else and they were being diagnosed with COVID, held there, then fed medazolam and finished off.
I mean, that happened.
Yeah, it happened here as well.
I was going into the hospitals early on, and the first thing that was very obvious is they were empty, absolutely empty, but they were whacking people on ventilators like no one's business, which is just insane.
And that was a shredding their lungs, basically.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, if I put 100 orangutan on a ventilator, I wouldn't expect all of them to survive the process.
Yeah, and that's if they were perfectly healthy.
There's so much if you talk to normies, it's like it's as if COVID never happened, isn't it?
It was just this, whether they'll make references to COVID, like COVID closed down that cafe, or COVID killed my business, or this happened, or that happened.
Skepticism In Our Circles00:15:08
But they haven't really made the mental connection between that period and what's continued to happen now.
They think it was a sort of aberration rather than very much part of the plan.
Absolutely, yeah.
I mean, I do think there's a bit of discomfort at thinking at that time for a lot of people.
So they're just focusing forwards.
I think we've undergone a menticide as much as we've undergone an atrocide.
Like people are just acting like they've got rocks in their head of late.
And I think that's the propaganda as much as everything.
But who knows if the very dodgy shots might have had something to do with it as well.
Or just the reduced attention span because everyone's on their phone so much.
But yeah, I don't think anyone's paid any attention what really happened.
I'm astonished, although I shouldn't be by now, by how obedient to the narrative people are.
So I'm thinking about two weeks ago, no one thought of Iran for one millisecond.
I mean, Iran was just not on people's mental radar at all.
And then these stories started appearing in the papers about 12,000 Iranian, I mean, 12,000 Iranians allegedly being killed by the evil Ayatollahs, who are the most evil regime in the world.
And we've got to do something about it.
And everyone's going, yeah, yeah, they're terrible.
We must do something about Iran.
They've gone from no interest at all to, yeah, let's go.
Let's take out this regime.
In the space of a fortnight.
Monkey see, monkey do.
I mean, I was speaking to a student group that I have with me at the moment about a great ape intelligence.
And I actually play down how intelligent they are.
Around humans, they imitate.
I'm not saying they're not intelligent.
Obviously, they are, but it's not comparable to our level.
Not even remotely comparable to human intelligence, in my opinion.
But around humans in captivity, they will imitate us.
They will ape us.
I've got orangutan that if you gave them a hammer and a noul, they'll start hammering nouls into wood.
They're now bits of wood together.
And I can't imagine wild orangutans ever going to do that.
They see behavior and they emulate it, just like children see behavior and then emulate it.
Now, normies or most adults, they see the television screens and they emulate it.
Yeah, the people who, the problem is, isn't it, that the people who run the world are past masters at crowd manipulation.
They know all the tricks.
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
I think this has been going on for a very, very long time.
Do you know about the Medes?
Apparently, that's where the word media comes from.
Oh, I thought it was after the Roman goddess, Medea, the goddess of the underworld.
Kind of a lungy type trick.
So here we are.
This is a competing theory.
Okay, I'll tell you mine.
That media, where the Medes came from, which is well, the Medes and Persians, I'm not sure what the difference was, but it was a part of the Middle East, I suppose, where rulers would send their emissaries to learn the tricks of the trade, how to control the populace, how to manipulate them, how to brainwash them.
Interesting.
Maybe it is your goddess.
I don't know.
Or both.
I mean, they love to weave narratives together as well for insider joke on us.
Yeah, I'm going to go down that rabbit hole.
Thank you, James.
Good one.
Yeah, I do love it.
Who was I talking to the other day?
Well, it'll be on the podcast.
this like great new rabbit hole that i'd never never encountered before um i wanted to talk to you about the rather niche research you've been doing into some some bloke on actually this all connects
It does connect to that weird period from around 2020 when we were all people like you and me and our audience were trying to figure out who our friends and allies were and who were the good is and who the bad is and who you could trust and who you could not trust.
And I think that during that period, the enemy, as always, were ahead of the game.
And they were very quick to infiltrate the awake movement, the freedom movement, with people who seemed to be just like us, but were actually there as enemy agents.
Without a shadow of a doubt, yeah, completely organized.
I mean, there were people warning about it at the time.
I remember if I'd been in England, I definitely would have gone to the protests, but I was listening carefully to voices that were saying, look, you know, don't go to these big marches.
This is a pressure release valve for you.
But more, there were people actively LARPing around in our circles.
And my friend Francis often, well, our friend Francis, sorry, often makes reference quite rightly to the animal rights movement, which I've been involved in my whole life.
And it's just so well known in those circles that everything's completely infiltrated.
And the people that turn up offering to be the most helpful, typically with things like logistics, going, oh, I've got a van.
I'll drive you anywhere you want to go.
It's like, that guy's a fucking police officer.
There's no doubt about it.
I actually met one lady once.
She volunteered to work in one of my bars who was part of the group that was, I don't trust anything in media, yeah, but there was a story that broke that an undercover police officer had been fathering children with animal rights protesters.
He was married somewhere else.
Did you hear that one?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's why it was a court case.
Or claimed to know him and claimed it was her friend who had the baby.
I mean, if, and that was years ago, yeah, many, many years ago.
Sorry, I was trying to open a beer can quietly, but didn't quite get away with it.
No, I like that.
And I like that you had a fag earlier on.
That's good as well.
I'm always, when I see the kids, when I see kids vaping, I say, look, you really shouldn't be doing that.
You know, you should be smoking cigarettes.
Vapes will do you no good at all.
I've got a lot of strange ideas, but I don't believe that smoking, particularly the manufactured cigarettes that I do, is good for you.
I'm not sure it's as bad for you as they say, but I am open to the idea that tobacco, there's a reason why we like it.
It's meant to boost testosterone as well, isn't it?
Oh, is that right?
All I knew was that it's good for warding off EMF.
Oh, really?
And also, it stops you getting mosquitoes.
Does that work?
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Only when you're smoking them.
Yeah, that's the problem.
Yeah, that's not a very good, that's not a very good prophylactic, I'd say.
You having to chain smoke to keep off the Mozies.
Yeah, I remember when I first met you, or when our paths sort of crossed, you were quite, you wanted to check me out.
You were quite where, well, you were skeptical.
And I commend you for that because I think that your skepticism has served you well.
I mean, I'm far too naive and trusting.
I can think of various people that I met in the early stages of the movement who I've now, with some regret, because they're nice people.
I've come to realize are not quite what they claim to be.
I'm not going to mention names because that's a bit sad.
But it's a bit of a kind of shock.
I tell you why it shocks me.
First of all, it shocks me because what it demonstrates is that the powers that be are so into micromanaging everything, every last detail, that they don't just think about how to get the norm is more brainwashed, that they also consider the opposition and how to infiltrate and manipulate us.
And one of the tricks they do, which is really sad, because it'd be nice if we were all one big happy family, they set us against one another.
They create divisions and doubt and paranoia.
And they use their agents, their operatives, to undermine us.
Particularly on the subject of when We spot an obvious intelligence services infiltrator like Lucy Connolly.
Instead of going, oh, that's interesting.
You think she's a you don't think she's real?
You think she's a fake?
Oh, I quite like her.
They don't do that.
They go, This is wrong.
You're dividing our movement.
You're being paranoid.
Not everything is fake, you know.
They come up with these stock phrases designed to pour skepticism on our position rather than to honor our skepticism as the only reasonable position in a time of deceit.
Absolutely.
And I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone whose opinion I valued applied due skepticism to me.
And all of the friends and people that I've got to know through this now, often when I first meet them, I go through my list of red flags with them.
Say, can you tick this one off the list?
Can you tick this one off the list?
And anyone engaged meaningfully in trying to work out where we are, what on earth is going on.
Of course, it's logical just to be skeptical.
Yeah, it's, I mean, the depths that they go on that everything is fake.
Mimi wrote a good essay on that.
And I certainly had people complain to me saying, well, you can't say everything's fake.
I'm not saying everything's fake.
I never have.
However, everything that I look at in media, or I'll add in the university and education sector, I am open to any of it being fake because I've found enough things that to my satisfaction, whether it be space travel, dinosaurs, viruses, that there are very valid questions against the mainstream narrative.
So, yeah, I'm open to anything being fake.
It doesn't mean we think everything is fake.
And yeah, using that lens has allowed us to see through things that when we then put in the due diligence and research, such as that essay with the seemingly fake travel agent, well, actually, our research confirms.
And it's not confirmation bias.
We're throwing it out there for free and open to the public, saying, well, critique us if you want.
If we've got it wrong, we'll adjust our views.
Yes.
So that travel agent character, I mean, a lot of us, I think, were more enthusiastic about Twitter than we perhaps are today.
Twitter was still a sort of place where the resistance could meet and discover one another.
And there were various accounts, people from walks of life that you would not necessarily expect to have a very to have built up a very large following on Twitter.
There were counselors and there was Bernie Spoffor.
Yeah, she blocked me ages ago when Australia was detaining its citizens.
She was saying, oh, no, no, no, it's fine.
Don't worry about it.
It's all good.
She blocked me for years and has only recently unblocked me.
Yeah, so there were characters like that, and I just, I didn't know who they were, but they seemed to be, I followed people who were saying the same things as me, and seemed to be on board with our Awake program, and were followed by other people.
But I didn't know who they were.
I just trusted that they were who they said.
One of these characters was this Awakened Travel.
Was that his, I never saw that one.
Trade Winds.
And I think I've looked into that travel company more than anyone else.
What was he called?
Trade Winds.
Trade Winds originally.
And then when I first complained to the Civil Aviation Authority about him, he shut down and disappeared and then rebranded as TravelQ.
Right.
So this was this person.
And this was an actually, He cleverly spotted a gap in the market, which was that at the time, a lot of us were getting very upset about the fact that we were unable to travel to the places we want to go to because of these various tests that a lot of countries were requiring or whatever.
And we were all sort of trying to work out which places you could go to where you didn't have to have a jab test, et cetera, a jab certificate, which is why I ended up going to Costa Rica because bizarrely, it was one of those places where they were quite relatively lax.
And so we all latched onto this travel account who, among other things, was offering really good travel deals to places you might want to go.
He was the travel agent to the awake community, wasn't he?
Yeah, but I can't actually see any evidence that he was selling any holidays.
I've gone all through his accounts and these are not trading companies.
And further, when I started investigating the primarily specializes in luxury hotels like five, six star hotels.
So I know a bunch of them in Malaysia and Indonesia and Singapore.
So called around and they said, we've never heard of him.
We don't know who this guy is.
That was under the trade winds iteration.
And also, what was glaringly obvious to me, because I've got a background in travel and tourism and I've owned several hotels which I lost to the scandemic, that he was undercutting booking.com, which is just impossible.
No one would do that.
Booking.com is the number, since the goda went bust due to the scandemic, booking.com is the biggest player by far.
No one would be getting cheaper prices than booking.com.
And yet there he was like half the price.
And it's like, oh, that's just impossible.
And then upon contacting the hotels, they said, no, no, that's not us.
You can't book for that.
We don't work with that travel agent.
Can I just sidetrack you for a moment?
Booking hotels.
Yeah.
Is booking.com the place to go?
Or can you approach the hotel individually and negotiate a often it's cheaper on booking.com because they will clear out your room.
It's a useful service that they're aware of you integrate your booking system with their booking system.
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So if you've got empty rooms, they'll pump them out very cheap, but at very short notice.
So whenever I'm back in England, I won't book my hotel until really the very last minute.
Often I might meet someone, have a chat with them, and then I know I'm going to stay in that town that night.
Then I just go on booking.com and see what's available and you can get some incredibly cheap deals.
Like I got a studio apartment, a real nice one in London once for about three days for about 40 quid a day.
It was insanely cheap.
For London?
Insanely cheap.
And it was in the middle of London, man.
I forget exactly where, James, but it was a nice pad.
Three bedrooms, but obviously no one had booked it.
So how much, how shortly before you went there, did you book it?
Hours.
Hours.
That's cool.
Okay.
See, you've got to have a lot of things.
I do the same with last-minute flights.
I book the flight on the day that I'm flying, but luckily I can be a bit more flexible with dates.
And actually, I recently came back to Borneo and paid the most I've ever paid for a one-way ticket from UK to Malaysia.
And that stung a little bit, but I think of how much I've saved over the 20-odd years of doing this that I'm quit in for life.
What was the most you paid?
£900, but I flew between Christmas and New Year, so I don't normally fly on those days.
That is, yeah.
I mean, that's actually the going rate now, isn't it?
That's the thing.
Long flights.
Yeah.
Well, I did want to touch on something you said there about the role of trade winds and at the time as saying, oh, here's where you can go, where they'll treat you okay.
So I was stuck in Borneo, as you know, or as I told you for two and a half years.
There were literally no flights to get out of the place.
As soon as the flights came back up, I wanted to go home to meet up and join up with Hopeful Resistance because I could see there was more going on in England.
And at that time, you had to be injected, you had to wear a mask, and you had to do the swaps.
And there's no way on earth I was ever doing any of those things.
And so I booked, I noticed on AirAsia, I could book a ticket and it never told me that I had to have these things.
It made a whole bunch of noise about, you know, check with your airport for COVID restrictions.
I was like, well, no, I'm giving you my money.
And if I've got to undertake a medical procedure, you need to make that clear to me, or I'm going to demand my money back from you.
So I booked a ticket, went to the local airport, and flew.
But it was hard for me to get past the airline, not the security.
Security didn't give me any trouble apart from in Singapore and in Mumbai.
But it was the airline.
They were like, you need your COVID vaccine.
I was like, well, I'm not vaccinated.
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So give me my money back right now.
I want it in cash.
I've booked this in good faith.
Give me my cash back.
Now, I can get quite angry.
I'm a really friendly guy.
I want to stress, but I've got a very loud voice now.
I don't put up with nonsense very well.
So I can be a real stinker of a customer if I have to.
I don't like that element in my personality, but it was good during this pandemic.
And Singapore, as I said, was tough, really tough.
And Mumbai, I thought I was going to go to prison at some point.
But you could travel without those.
You just had to kick up a hell of a stink.
And there were other people I saw online that, I mean, assuming that they were being legitimate, filming themselves, just walking through Heathro, going, fuck off.
I'm not going in one of your hotels.
I'm not going into the pogrom.
I'm doing my own thing.
Get out of my way.
Because the way I see it now, the government are so evil or farm handlers that the only thing they have over me is violence.
I'm not going to be preemptively violent against people because I don't think it's right to kill people.
But that is all they have.
They have no legal authority over me.
They may think they do, but I'm talking about moral authority.
There's a lot of criminals, a lot of them.
And the more people that push back and say, get lost, get out of it, the quicker we as the public will realize and they'll be reminded they don't have the numbers to control us.
It's only by our consent we go along with all of this.
Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that one.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Guy.
No, we don't.
It's a scam.
The quicker that we as the public will realise and they'll be reminded, they don't have the numbers to control us.
It's only by our consent that we go along with all of this.
Yeah, but we've already established that a lot of people are very happy to give their consent.
Very happy to, yeah.
Yes, we haven't finished with Trade Wins.
So, I don't...
How many people did he have on his Twitter account?
Was it how many followers?
10, 20, 10?
17,000 on Trade Winds, which was the bigger one.
Travel Cube has now deactivated its social media.
Within hours of me putting out that article, it deactivated its social media and actually turned its website off for a day, although it's back up now.
Which, of course, any real travel agent would absolutely definitely do.
Like, don't interact with us.
Don't look at our website.
I forget how many it's got, 10,000, maybe 5,000, I'm not sure.
It's not a big account.
Okay, but that in a way is interesting because they're prepared to get agents who only work to an audience of 17,000.
They, whoever they are, consider it worth their while to infiltrate to that degree.
Well, I think, yeah, but also the detail they go into in creating a smokescreen for these characters.
Like all of the websites associated with that Trade Winds and Travel Cube were pretty damn professional.
Yeah, I mean, they would have cost money to put together way better than my charity's website, which a volunteer did for free, you know, one weekend for us.
So they put resources into making it look legitimate.
But I mean, one of the things that really jarred with me was, you remember that you mentioned Bernie Spofforf.
She was the first person they were really saying was arrested for a mean tweet about actual Rudolph Cabana or whatever in the Southport thing.
And then, of course, Lucy.
Now, Lucy Connolly and Bernie both confirmed they went on holiday with this small travel agent.
And you're like, what are the odds that the two people who got arrested, you know, most prominently for mean tweets both went on holiday with a tiny, by industry standards, travel agent.
All right, maybe it's because he was the awake one or stuff like that.
But then when you add in that the hotel brands are saying they don't work with him and they don't have a business relationship with him, plus the bizarre behavior, telling Miri to fuck off, you know, sorry, I don't mean to swear there.
Deactivating websites and blocking people, you're like, this is not a legitimate travel company.
So then they say, is he just there for narrative curation and to add salience?
Yeah.
And I've had a couple of people contact me that I've been interacting with and treating good faith that say they met this Dean Chiave at several meetups and stuff like that.
So it does look like he's a real individual and going around LARPing at freedom events and protests.
And yeah, I don't know if I would doubt someone if I just met them, apart from I've become an extreme sceptic of everything.
I'm thinking back to some of the very early events on festivals on campsites where I can think of at least one individual who I suspected for quite some time was a plant.
There's something slightly off.
But he was very, very good at networking with the whole community and sort of being a kind of an affable character who was around and sort of building up a Twitter following and so on.
I like the idea that it's about, what do you say, salience and narrative curation.
That's exactly it, isn't it?
It's about building the agent's cover.
So they back one another up.
So Lucy Connolly is real because this man that people have met and heard of and seen and talked about travel, which has got nothing to do with Lucy Connolly.
Therefore, he's real.
Therefore, she's real.
But, okay, so the person behind this site was called Dean Shia.
Skiavi, which people have pointed out means Skiavi means slave.
I pointed that out.
Yeah, I looked at names.
Names is the big one.
Dean can mean two things.
It either means from the valley, or the biblical meaning is leader, and Skiavi means Slavic or slave or slave slave.
Leader of slaves.
I mean, it could just, that one could just be a coincidence.
My name, there's two etymological roots for my name.
Leo, obviously, lion.
Biddle, if you go down the Germanic route, it means, I've forgotten what it means.
Oh, a wolf hunter, or which is kind of cool, lion wolf hunter.
That is so cool.
Lion wolf hunter.
Not bad, right?
I might rebrand my name.
And then the English route is Biddle is from Beadle, which means herald or leader, which is also pretty good.
Leader of lions, I'll take that one, or Herald of Lions.
Yeah, I don't mind.
And I know my mum's not in the cabal.
She didn't like pick my name.
You've heard of nominative determinism.
I don't know what's going on.
I don't even know where I am and what it means to be what I am.
But there's definite significance to names in media.
No doubt about it whatsoever.
And there seems to be significance to names in what we call psyops.
You've seen in media like Phil My Cann is reporting on a fuel crisis or Gail Blizzard is saying, oh, there's severe weather coming in on the TV.
Once or twice, could be a coincidence.
And maybe Dean Schiavy is a coincidence, but maybe it's also a troll.
And the intelligence agencies do love to just take the piss out of us.
Well, okay, so on the profane level, yeah, it's about taking the piss.
But on what they would call the sacred level, it's about the codes embedded within language.
And it's about the occult.
We know they love their Gematria.
And well, particularly 33, 22, 11.
Actually, 11 is there.
It's one of their key numbers because you can make it.
All the sixes, yeah, it's everywhere.
Three sixes.
Three sixes, yeah, yeah.
And the same with the name.
So people have pointed out that Lucy Connolly is a way of saying con or lie.
Absolutely, yeah.
I think it's Francis or Miri that first started pointing out that NLC is 11 and 3.
So for the 33.
Yeah, I mean, I think that one is such a big narrative, which is why Miriam in particular, but many others, just took brick bats for calling out how obvious a scam this whole thing was.
And I mean, I might upset some of your audience, but how obvious a scam Southport was.
We were saying it the day that story broke.
They're like, this is nonsense, absolute nonsense.
And we took brick bats from our side for even daring to question it.
It's like, well, it's a normal question, isn't it?
Doesn't the media, the press, and the government lie to us all the bloody time?
Have you not been to a Taylor Swift ballet class, Leo?
Yeah, I don't want to ruin my street cred.
No, no, of course.
They're everywhere.
It's like vegan burger joints.
They're everywhere.
They do really, really well.
No, you're right.
I mean, once you get more experience at this game, what initially seems like, oh, come on, Miri, how could you come up with these?
It's so elaborate.
Nobody thinks like that.
Nobody is that conspiratorial.
But of course, then you discover, yes, they are.
And it's all about, I did a podcast with a couple of podcasts with, sadly, no longer with this friend of mine called Alexander War.
I don't know whether you've ever heard those.
They're really good.
Alexander was like me, possibly like you, a sort of a normie.
He was mugged by reality.
He discovered we all have our entry point into the rabbit hole, don't we?
And his entry point was Shakespeare identity.
And he became obsessed with who really wrote William Shakespeare's, the plays attributed to the man from Stratford.
But in doing so, he became an expert on the Elizabethan era and the behavior, particularly of the ruling elites in those days.
And they were absolutely obsessed with numbers, with the significance of numbers.
So if, say, Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford, who Alexander was convinced was in charge of the scriptorium that wrote Shakespeare's plays, if, say, you'd met Edward de Vere, his first reaction would have been to our Leo Biddle, and he would have worked out what your name meant.
He'd add up the numbers of the two D's and the I and the B and worked out its sort of cosmic religious significance.
And they were constantly writing in codes and things like that.
Well, that hasn't gone away among a certain, among the people who really run everything.
They are obsessed with secrecy, with signaling to their own kind what their games are and simultaneously mocking us because we can't see it.
The Freemasons have a phrase for this, don't they?
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What's it called?
It's a kind of speaking that they do where to an ordinary person it means one thing and to them to the to the initiated it means something else.
Masterful.
It's called masterful speaking.
Yeah, or do you know the word polysemic?
I like it.
No, it's a pretty good word.
I didn't know it until 2020.
In fact, I was asking tons of people, there's got to be a word for when the media says one thing, it means totally different things to different audiences.
And the word is polysemic.
Oh, so like multiple meetings, like semi-otics, multiple signs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Polysemic.
And the media is just so masterful at that.
Yeah.
It's phenomenal, really.
Yeah.
It's phenomenal in terms of how successful and impactful it is.
And it clearly works.
So we can't sort of knock them for that.
But when you start looking at it, it just gives itself away.
I mean, the 33 is a great one.
I wouldn't put it past it being something digital that's creating a lot of these stories.
That it's so self-referential and dependent on these codes that it becomes almost like an error.
It's like, well, obviously, not obviously it's fake.
33-year-old people exist.
Yeah.
Sometimes they might get killed.
Sometimes they might kill people.
But the frequency in PsyOps, you're just like, as soon as you see it, it's a reason to look deeper.
Yeah.
Although, to be honest, any major news item, as soon as you see a major news item, there's a reason to look deeper.
Well, they quite often, at these false flag events and these faked events, you'll see police vehicles with 33 on the number plate or the call sign 33.
Or, of course, they love their shoes, single shoes.
That's another of their symbols.
I don't know if that's a walk the dog reference or if there's a deeper occult reason for that.
But yeah, shoes, umbrellas, purple.
My God, they love purple.
Look how many alternative podcasters out there have a big purple screen and a brick wall behind them.
It's just like, I buy these pieces.
That was for me.
That was when I first started doubting the Ike collective.
Because I'd, as you know, I did a podcast live event with David Icke.
And I was so naive that I thought, well, David, it's going to be great.
We're going to be able to talk conspiracy theories.
You're going to be able to fill me in on all the GC stuff.
We're going to have a great, great old chat and we're going to get on really well.
And in the remark to that, I went and went to the Ike studio in wherever it was.
And I sort of met the boys and found them perfectly affable and had a nice chat.
But I did find it quite jarring going into a studio where the dominant colour was purple.
And I was thinking, well, I haven't read much, David Icke, but I do know that he does talk about Imperial purple and the significance thereof and it being the colour of the elites and it being very much a symbol of their power and their deception and stuff.
And royalty also.
And royalty.
Why would you choose that as the background colour?
It cannot be accidental because you've already told me that these things have meaning.
They have deep symbolic meaning.
And now you're saying, yeah, but we just accidentally chose this deeply symbolic colour.
Yeah, we just quite like.
Nah, it doesn't work for me that.
Yeah, yeah.
It's the you just wouldn't.
Although I did open a candle company, I must stress, I had the idea for the candle company before I realized the significance of CC being 33.
I only found that out when I came online in 2020.
And I'd had a number of businesses prior to Convid that I just named them after animals.
So I had, you know, Monkey Bar, Bear Garden, and then I started doubling the, because repetitions meant to be important.
I had pangolin plastics, porcupine permaculture, gibbon groceries, and then started doubling up the names.
So then candles, and I thought that would be a good way to one, highlight a species that people hadn't heard of.
Like the restaurant I'm in now, although it's since closed after a fire, is Loris Lounge, yeah, after a slow Loris.
And it was very much themed at kind of like information about Lorises.
So I thought with the candles, I hadn't done crocodile, but I didn't think crocodiles were a good match with candle.
So I picked Kalugu.
It's like a flying fox kind of creature, a weird little animal that lives over here that no one's ever heard of.
And I thought, what a great way to promote Kalugus.
But then, of course, I opened a candle company in 2022 where I decided to stick to the name.
It's like I decided to call it Kalugu Candles.
I'm not Illuminati or anything like that, but I've got a double C in a company under my name.
But then I figured it's going to come good because I'm eventually going to launch a side brand called Conspiracy Candles.
I think you've given the game away.
And here you are telling us in all apparent innocence, you're trying to kind of clear your game.
I'm trying to come to my tracks.
It's like there's a 33 associated with me.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it happens, doesn't it?
Bob Moran always gets this over his signature on his cartoons, which is, was it form six?
Yeah, 666.
I can see how people would see, and I've met and like Bob a lot.
I can see how you can see a 33 there, but and that's fine for sceptical people to notice it.
But you can't damn someone on a single red flag.
Miri at one point wore a purple hat.
I was like, ah, it's purple.
And she's like, it's my favorite hat.
I'll wear whatever I want.
Yeah, I think it's the tell that gives the game away.
We work so hard at our covers and then we just kind of blur it with a bit of a bit of orange.
I wonder what orange means.
Somebody wants, and I bear this person no ill will whatsoever.
I quite like them actually, that they are a bit out there, but aren't we all on some levels?
And I respect their analysis in calling out hoaxes.
But they'd gone to the trouble of going through a Facebook page for one of my bars and gone back a couple of years.
And there was a member of my staff, he doesn't work for me anymore, but a guy that used to work for me when I had the bar, who I know is definitely not Club Carbell or Freemason.
He's quite a young, be rude, but simple lad.
And he had his hands like that in a group photo.
And they're like, that's it.
You're a Luminari.
I'm like, hang on a minute.
And when I talked to you earlier on, I had to move it.
I was trying to listen and I was leaning in.
I was like, no, hang on a sec.
I'm doing a Freemason symbol.
But as soon as I recognized I was doing it, I took it down.
If I started my own podcast, the last thing I'd do is turn up in a purple shirt with purple background.
You can't escape the freeze frame there, Leah.
People are going to go through this.
I've done podcasts with my brother where I've taken the piss, I've gone through all the signs, you know, like this.
And of course, all it needs is one person, one paranoid person, to find the freeze frame of you doing the single mind.
Don't do anything.
There's a concealed hand.
Don't you think that some of us that question narratives deeply are mischaracterized by online trolls?
Like if I found a photo of you saying okay, yeah, the diving symbol or whatever, and I get the 666 to it.
So, you know, I do not do it.
I might do it by mistake, you know, and I certainly wouldn't put a photo out of me doing it.
But we're characterized by what the vociferous trolls are doing.
And, you know, I mentioned earlier, I don't really believe in viruses, but a lot of the accounts that were, I'm open to being wrong, but I've looked into it and I'm like, no, I'm not buying that.
But the accounts that were all over Twitter screaming no virus were clearly there to put people off people like us.
And some of these accounts that might call you a Freemason or me a Freemason, I'm certainly not.
They don't actually represent anyone intelligent.
I wouldn't damn you for a single hand signal or a purple.
I've got a purple shirt that I won't wear it on a podcast, but it doesn't.
We're not so silly as to damn people for a single thing unless it's a massive clamp.
I had a really, really nice Catherine Hamlet velvet purple waistcoat, which I used to wear in the 90s.
And I also had, this is really, this is really worrying.
I had a pair of red shoes, of red, yeah, red suede shoes.
And I look at them, I've still got them.
I look at them now in my cover, my cupboard.
And I think on the rare occasions I wore those shoes, which wasn't very often because it's really hard to wear red shoes, frankly.
I mean, they were a kind of muted red.
They were sort of, I wouldn't call it padua red, but it was one of the kind of less, they weren't scarlet, they weren't, or they weren't cardinal red.
But I wonder when I went out for those evenings whether anyone out there was part of the kind of the Pizzagate club and looked at my shoes and thought, oh, there's one of those, one of my fellow satanic paedophiles.
Well, there's another thing that I know that I was very interested in body language as a kid and as a young adult, studied it quite intently.
And we will mirror things potentially even on a subconscious level.
So I used to steeple my hands quite a lot because it's quite a power symbol.
Now, this is before I knew about the pyramids and about a lot of stuff, but I would be copying monkey see, monkey do what I was seeing on screens.
It's like, this is how you look powerful.
So it's quite possible there are photographs out of there.
I mean, you'd have to go back to when I was a student and working in the corporate world where I'm steepling my hands.
But that was with zero knowledge of what it might actually represent.
In the same way, when I came up with the idea for Klugu candles, I didn't know that CC can be interpreted as 33.
But again, no one saying would damn people on such flimsy, you know, it's not even evidence.
It's just a simple thing.
Well, that's which is what raises my suspicions very much.
You said earlier that you've never said nothing is real, everything is a conspiracy.
Everything's fake.
You've even said it.
I might have said it in Jess Drunk a few times.
But I have quite often mainly as a provocation and as a sort of trap, actually.
Because I make it obvious when I say that everything is fake, that it's just a kind of grabby headline and it's exaggeration for effect.
Because obviously not everything is fake.
Horses aren't fake, for example.
I give that as an example.
But the kind of people who fall for the bait, because given that it's obvious that I am exaggerating for effect, the kind of people who fall for it and react, it seems to me, are doing so in bad faith.
So I'm because I try to lure them out from under their rocks, the bad actors.
And I used to think, I used to think that the people who took objection to this stuff were just innocent people who'd misunderstood one's sense of humor or stuff.
I'm now not so sure.
I think that, for example, when we, people like you, me, Miri, Francis and co are attacked for calling out psyops and we're told not to be so paranoid.
We're told that actually some things are real, you know.
I think the people, this is one of my tells.
I think that this is a sign that they are not to be trusted.
They are not really one of us.
You mentioned earlier you've got a list of tells that you, how do you suss out people?
Absolutely.
A mutual friend of ours, Nick Hudson, describes it as there's an electric fence around certain areas that you'll know if you're touching on something because you'll get a shock.
It'll provoke a reaction.
And I've seen, you know, in your comments under your Twitter and Miri's, I'm kind of, I'm too small and just ignored by almost everyone.
In fact, I actually think that I've got a do not engage flag above me, slightly because I am a little bit unpredictable, do have a passport and will go to a place.
One, if I'm angry enough to have a chat with the person who insults me, and two, to really deep dive into them.
And I think my research is fairly solid, you know?
So I think it's just like, don't give that one any oxygen.
I think a lot of us suffer from that.
But tells, yeah, emotion is actually a strong one for me.
And it's not that I'm devoid of emotion, but somebody acting overly emotional is designed to get you to mirror emotion or to become emotional back.
And I mean, I'm still looking for the adults in the room.
And there's obviously some really, really major problems with our lived reality at the moment.
So anyone that's got to the level of thinking that I have, we have, and those names you mentioned have, there's no need to be emotional, particularly about someone suggesting that the news might be lying.
Think of the kids.
How dare you, you monster?
It's like, no, that's not a good faith argument at this point.
I think that's another very strong tell, because one of the things that skeptics do with increasing frequency is call out mass, apparent mass killing events, which often involve innocents, children, and so on.
And if you question that, there is a certain type of person who attacks you saying, how could you treat so lightly the death of these children or whatever?
And the only reply is, well, yeah, real children getting killed is sad, but imaginary children getting killed is really nothing.
It's a psyop.
One shouldn't get.
And sometimes, of course, they do kill real people in these.
Asha, I wanted to mention to you, you picked me up.
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And I think maybe you're mistaken here.
Remember there were the Bondi Beach.
There was the Bondi Beach massacre.
And there was lots about this event which didn't quite stack up.
And I'm still not sure whether real people were killed or not.
And I've had people on my Telegram channel who live in Sydney say that they know paramedics who treated and really were wounded people in hospital and stuff.
One never knows because of that thing that you described earlier, where they're very good at creating this landscape in which there are people available to verify things that aren't true, but who they seem to be true.
So you never know who you can trust, do you?
No, I mean, over the, I'm disappointed that we've made so much, so little progress over almost six years now since the scandemic event.
But there are people that I trust wholeheartedly that I've got to know.
Generally, I must say that they're much smaller accounts, people that I've met in person that aren't, you know, that even I've enjoyed more sort of exposure than they have, you know.
But there are people that I think you can trust in, certainly in real life, there's tons.
It's in this digital space that the, which is why, of course, they all want us on this digital space, that we can't really be sure of anyone's authenticity.
No.
So I didn't finish my point, which was that the Sydney event, whatever it was, appears to have been masterminded by this guy called Ostrovsky.
Yeah.
I think, who was also the unluckiest man in the world.
He happened to have been involved in the October 7th attack as well.
And apparently, I did actually ask Grok or something similar to calculate the likelihood of being involved in both terrorist events.
And Grok or whatever it was, told me that it was just like completely off the scale, improbable.
We're talking sort of billions to one.
And yeah, this very unlucky man was he called, was he called Leo Ostrovsky?
What was his?
I don't think it was Leo.
I'm not very good with recalling names when I'm not looking at them.
Okay.
Bald geezer anyway.
Bald.
A lot of these geezers are bald.
That sinister guy who runs the ADL, he's bald.
They all look like Nosferatu.
And so this Nosferatu character comes over in his coffin from Israel to seek a new life in Australia.
And what?
Within two weeks of arriving, he's caught up in this terrible massacre.
And then he's the one that tweets a photograph of himself, a selfie with his Nosferatu pate covered in blood, but he's got enough energy, despite his terrible headwound, to get a selfie of himself crawling along.
And then the same day, because this is how quickly social media works, there was a photograph of him being made up by a makeup artist sitting there smiling with his blood and stuff.
Now, I tweeted this photograph and you were quick, actually very sensible.
You were onto me fairly quickly and saying, I don't trust that photograph because there were various things about it that didn't make sense.
There were sort of alignments.
It seemed like it was AIA.
It was faked, wasn't it, in some way?
There were definitely manipulations to the photograph that was circling around.
And then what I think you're referring to, and I'm very open to, is that it could have been a real photograph, but then they added in the digital manipulation afterwards.
It's what I call truth for trickbait.
And certainly when any big story comes out, I'm acutely aware that there's some glaring irregularities in the initial story.
And I'm fully prepared that in a week's time or often the very next day, people that jump on the irregularity will then be made to look foolish because they'll add in another dimension to it.
So no, I'm acutely aware of truth for trickbait.
And I don't think you can really form a considered opinion as the story is breaking.
You can go with your gut and with where all of the instincts point you, it's like, this seems to be bullshit.
And I'm still of that opinion with the Bondi Beach one, but the actual details are like, I don't know, it's only coming from the media and I just don't trust them.
But generally, I'm not saying that it was bad of you to pick me up on what I did because you're absolutely right.
They do put these little traps in to get you, to make you look ridiculous and to make you look heartless and to make you look paranoid, etc.
But all I'm raising is the possibility that you've acknowledged, which is that they're so far ahead of the deception game now that they think about there's going to be a Leo Biddle out there.
He's going to be looking at this and he's going to be so good on detail that he will pick up.
There are flaws in this picture and he will then attack the James Dellingpole character.
So we can sow division within the awake community.
That's how they operate, I think.
Absolutely.
There was a friend of mine that had a post just blow up out of nowhere.
And I agreed entirely.
I think it was something about Lucy Connolly, maybe.
I'm not sure.
It was about one of the many things.
And he's like, even I don't trust it now.
This is the biggest post I've ever had.
I'm concerned about what I actually said may well be a trap, that I've just responded to something because this is being retweeted all over.
But then that's the same position.
It's like, we don't really know what's going on.
What would you say to people who are just going, well, why are James and Leo going on about this niche stuff of like who's saying what on social media and who's what does it matter?
I've got an answer, but I'd be interested to hear what your answer is.
Well, I think so one of the students that's with me now asked me why I keep trying to help animals in a fairly hopeless sort of like career trajectory, you know, against such immeasurable problems.
And I think that if some of us don't really truly believe that the world can be better than it is, that we can deal with some of these problems around us, but whoever's leading us is not dealing with these problems around us at all.
In fact, they seem to be responsible for the vast majority of them.
That I care because I want the world to be better than it is.
I don't think it's mine to remake.
I don't pretend to have any power in that, but I see a lot of horror in the world, you know, in the animal kingdom.
But I also see, you know, unspeakable tragedies are unfolding that if I'm right, and I'm sure you'll resonate with some of these opinions, I believe that vaccines are retarding children and crippling many of them and injuring them.
I believe that the mercury and the aluminium in my teeth has retarded me to some degree in whatever childhood vaccinations they managed to slip in.
Now, I believe that to be the case, that we're hurting children, hastening the death of the elderly, perhaps inducing conditions like Alzheimer's, dementia, which my father is in a nursing home now with after being jabbed with the clock shot and having a massive stroke shortly thereafter.
These are unimaginable tragedies to the individuals and families involved.
And I'm not happy living in a world like that.
So I'm going to do the best that I can to not bear false witness, to try and find like-minded individuals and say, look, can you see what I see?
This seems wrong.
Surely we as men, or men and women, can do something about it if we pull our resources, not financial resources, you understand, together and we work to just tell the truth.
I think telling the truth is incredibly important.
And if at the end of it, I get proved to be wrong and that space is real and the T-Rexes are real and pterodactyls flew around and viruses are dangerous.
You might as well finalize.
I would actually feel happier if I could wake up one day and go, do you know what?
I've been a complete mug.
The government's just here to help us.
The media only tell the truth.
Taxation isn't theft.
It's funding a better world for humanity.
I would be relieved.
I'd be like, great.
I don't have to worry about any of this nonsense anymore.
But I can't because I believe that there's something fundamentally wrong with the subjective reality of the masses versus what I think is the objective reality I see.
So I think we have to speak out about these things.
And I think I told you on our last channel when we met in person that though I'm not a religious man and wasn't even remotely open to it pre-2020, I think I saw the devil in 2020.
Not, you know, in concrete form.
I just saw it moving through the hearts and minds of men in a way that hadn't ever before.
And I wasn't, well, everyone gets a little bit scared, but then I just got insanely angry about it.
And I gave up at one point trying to fix the insanity of COVID.
And maybe that's ego, maybe there's a problem, but that's what I do.
I solve problems.
I looked at this huge light unraveling where people were dying alone, being locked, you know, in rooms in nursing homes.
And I was like, I've got to fix this problem.
I've got to fix this problem.
And when I thought I saw the devil, or still believe, I saw the work of the devil, it was the first time I prayed.
I prayed to God.
And I gave him my word that I'd keep fighting back.
And I can't break that word.
And I don't understand why more people that claim to earnestly believe that they see something wrong with what's going on don't do more.
I forgive the normies.
I totally understand where they're coming from, you know?
But we're really up against it, James.
There are some evil, evil, diabolical things happening in this world, or I'm wrong and the lunatic.
And I can't give up.
I won't give up.
I like that.
I like everything you said there.
Although, you know, I think I mentioned this to you before.
The devil kind of likes it when you get angry.
In Psalm 37, it says, leave off from wrath and let go displeasure.
Fret not thyself, else shalt thou be moved to do evil.
So you've got to kind of calm the anger.
But I think you use your anger in a good way anyway.
I think it's directed.
And I think that there's space for some of that.
Can I tell you my version, which is actually just a different way of saying it, which is that in however many years I've spent down the rabbit hole, I've come to the conclusion that the primary governing force of the world is not force, it's deception.
And this goes back to Babylon.
This goes back to the Babylonian mystery religions.
It goes back to the fact that the devil is the prince of lies.
And this is how they, with a capital T, this is how they rule us.
And we're seeing it.
I only have to look at my wife's newspaper to see that everything is lies.
And the lies are designed to entrap people and move them in a particular direction.
It follows, therefore, that if almost everything is a deception, that our primary moral duty, and this echoes what you said, is to the truth.
The truth is an expression of God.
Truth, love and goodness are manifestations of God, which is why I'm a Christian.
And that it's not a kind of frivolous thing to point out deceptions, however tiny, even if they involve obscure characters like if it's his real name, Schiavi on Twitter.
It's part of the process of revelation, which shows a bit like pen and teller exposing the showing how the tricks are done.
In the same way, when we show, in however small a way, what tricks the enemies plays, we are doing our bit to defang him, if you like, to defang the enemy, to deprive him of some of his power because the enemy relies on us falling for his tricks.
But did you ever think when you were sort of uncovering this trade winds character, do you ever sort of think, well, how does this work?
Who is this guy?
How much is he being paid?
What's in it for him?
Is it a Masonic thing?
Is it what?
What's in it for somebody to get 17,000 people on Twitter and infiltrate the truth movement and pretend to be a travel agent when all you're there to do is to facilitate deceptions?
How does it work?
I think there's, I mean, essentially it's a form of crisis acting, isn't it?
It is what I'm accusing him of, that he's a crisis actor.
I think crisis actors come from a whole different sort of different sets of paths.
Some clearly appear to be intelligence operatives, although they may well be a bit more intelligent than a lot of the clowns we end up encountering.
Some very open, particularly in America, some of them being criminals with police and they're either getting let out of jail early or avoiding jail entirely by taking part in something.
Some might even be, as Alex Creel calls them, approved opposition.
Dean Schiavi, I'm open, could just be someone trying to make money and be a bit of a grifter.
I don't think that is the case in his instance, but it is possible.
So I think they come from a lot of different routes.
But what I have learned, unfortunately, about a lot of people is that they can be incredibly selfish.
If there is a reward for them or an avoidance of discomfiture, like going to prison, they'll do anything.
A lot of people, unfortunately, can be quite sociopathic in terms of what motivates their behavior.
Yes, I keep meaning to do a piece about this sometime.
What is the probably the most talked about reality series on TV at the moment?
Celebrating Treachery00:02:30
It's the traitors.
I don't know whether you've ever encountered this problem.
No, no, I watch far too much media, but I'll have to have a look at that one.
So it's format TV.
And I first saw the Australian version.
And it's quite an entertaining conceit.
So they get a bunch of people from all walks of life and they go to stay at this ritzy location.
In the case of the British edition, it's a castle in Scotland.
In Australia, it was a kind of some sort of hotel with lots of land around it and sort of a gothic hotel, whatever.
And it's all over the world now.
And some of the group, most of the group are called faithfuls, and they're honest, ordinary people.
And in their midst are two or three people who've been chosen as traitors.
And every night, the traitors meet in cloaks and cowls in a secret place, and they decide who they're going to kill next.
And the idea is that the faithfuls must try and unmask the traitors before the next killings take place.
And at the end, if the traitors are not unmasked and they get all the money um, otherwise the faithful the the, the faithful finalists win.
But the point about this game is it's all about lying and deception.
And people are celebrating who's going to win the traitors?
Oh, didn't that?
Didn't that comedian do on celebrity traitors?
Didn't he do so well to fool everybody else?
So people are being applauded for things which socially, are really damaging, things that we ought to be not celebrating at all, because treachery and duplicity, and and and so on are horrible characteristics.
And there is tv, tv pushing for all it's worth this this, this quality, and I suppose it's the, it's a reflection of that culture that you've got these people like Dean Sciavi whoever, whoever, he is really engaging in this.
But the.
Doesn't it suggest to you lie, how much money there must be sloshing around for these psyops if, if people suppose he he, he was in it for the money.
Money Behind Psyops00:15:16
Suppose Lucy Colin is okay, so they have their um, their crowdfunders, don't they?
Crowdfunders are a big source of of money for these operations, especially in America, but the Uk too, for sure.
Yeah, the gofundme.
I mean that.
Actually, that's another flag for me as a psyop.
You just see if a gofund me was launched on the same day.
Yeah yeah um, but so much money that it actually you reach the point where you wonder how many people are not not on the payroll.
Yeah, you do, I mean, but then so, so a number of my childhood friends uh went on to become doctors um, and you know I, I know these people very well yeah, throughout childhood and all that sort of stuff.
I cannot, I do not want to believe that they are.
I'm hoping that they might have joined the Freemasons or something like that.
Maybe I haven't really spoken to them that much since 2020.
I made myself quite unpopular with them um, but still they're childhood friends of mine, so they're always going to be my friends.
I know that they weren't born into a cabal or anything like that.
You know, some of them lived on the same street as me um, so I, I think the way the system rewards uh Nick Hudson again calls it the nurturing leviathan that certain behavior is rewarded, so then it's just gamification um, one doesn't need to know that they're uh telling to see.
I, I have deep regrets.
I, i'm one of those that that, at the moment, on the balance of evidence, doesn't believe in DNA.
It actually appears to be quite preposterous to me um, but I spent time on stages maybe on camera, I don't know saying that I was 98.8 chimpanzee and i'm fairly credible when I speak to people about animals, so a lot of people would have gone away from that going, well yeah, we're chimpanzees.
And since 2020, i'm like, well, i'm pretty sure i'm not a chimpanzee.
In fact, pantroglodytes, uh, fear cave dweller, closest living relative.
For me, the name of the chimpanzee is probably the ultimate troll of all.
It's like I am not a fearful cave dweller.
Um so so um, and I don't believe i'm a chimpanzee.
I don't even believe i'm related to chimpanzees.
Um, I don't say that from a position of ignorance either.
I say that from a career of working with great apes, and it's like nope, i'm not buying it.
I don't see the the, the me in a chimpanzee or the chimpanzee in me um so, but then I was rewarded by the system to a degree.
I mean, it's bloody hard work, but I would get paid to uh uh, give keynote, uh conference, uh speeches uh, appeared on Discovery National Geographic.
As long as I was on message, I was being rewarded and certainly when I broke ranks, i'd always been a bit cantankerous and I think that's why they were rewarding me.
But um, in 2020, when i'm like i'm just gonna rip the mask off and just start saying what i've been thinking since childhood, that this is all a fucking pantomime.
Um, I haven't been invited to a single conference since no one, apart from in the alternative sphere, has ever asked me to do an interview.
Since I said, great apes aren't getting sick from Covid.
Uh, doubt i'll ever be invited or asked again.
No um, donors would go anywhere near me.
I'm actually amazed that i've got a university group with me right now, but i'm living in in fear, until they leave, that someone googles my name, don't mind, this will probably go out.
After that they leave in teams, but if someone does, they'll freak out when these group.
Is anyone in the group awake?
They're quite young, they're like 19, 20 and that's.
I've got some professors with them.
So I I speak to everyone that I meet James, and like, try and like get them a little bit further down or even burn my credibility in their eyes.
Just say look, this is what I believe.
And if you meet another 20, 30 people in your life, that seemed credible until they said, there's no way man played golf on the moon.
Maybe you'll start thinking about it.
So um I, I don't mind scaring people frankly that have booked an Orangutan holiday or just having them think i'm completely insane.
Uh, it doesn't bother me.
But I, I pulled it back with uh, this group, because the dynamic, then their teacher, it's like okay, like that, they're almost kids, they're 20 21, but but they're kind of, how do you, how do you I mean, given that so much science is complete bollocks do?
They not say I have left breadcrumbs for them and I put in a lot of caveats to to what I speak.
In fact actually, that the me not thinking I was a chimpanzee.
One of the smarter students did actually, you know so well, hang on a second.
What what, what do you?
What are you saying there?
I'm like I just you know the biological mechanism of evolution.
I'm just struggling with it a bit.
I'm not quite sure how, you know, i've looked into it and i'm not quite sure how they're uh, saying that i'm 98, 98.8 related to a chimpanzee.
It just doesn't work on a biological level for me.
But that's a whole nother lecture that would take, you know, hours and we don't have time for that now.
Isn't the monkey cue?
Oh, that's clever.
Yeah yeah yeah, I haven't realized that their, their name Name was Pantrogladitis.
There's so many articles that I mean to write.
So that Deanski Arvey was actually the second article I've written.
I've investigated, I'm trying to work out probably over a thousand fraudulent stories, but I don't know that there's something about me that once I prove it to my own satisfaction, I just, it's not that I can't be asked.
I procrastinate for a couple of weeks in actually writing it up.
I mean, I have quite a busy life and I'm running multiple businesses.
Yeah, actually, if I didn't have anything else to do, I probably would write up a lot more.
But once I've got it to the level that me and as you know, I'm good friends with Miriam Francis.
We talk a lot.
Once I've kind of contributed to the conversation there, I'm kind of like, okay, that they're brilliant writers, that they can write it up better than I will.
So maybe I'm slacking a bit on writing stuff up.
But sorry, I'm segueing to another thought that I had that I only need to be right about one of the maybe thousand things that I've investigated, that the media police establishment are collaborating on a lie and pushing it out to the public, you know, whether that be Manchester Arena, Deansky Arvey, Lucy Connolly, COVID, any of them.
And then I'm kind of validated by that.
It's like the police are lying to us.
You know, Dunblane, I went up to Dunblane, investigated a bunch of people there, or interviewed rather, I should say, went into the local police station, tiny little village, it's tiny, and showed a video to the two police officers that were there of the blatantly fake crisis actor teacher who claimed to have been shot in both legs and shot through the head with a bullet exiting from her neck.
She was interviewed on TV less than 48 hours after having a bullet go through her head and neck, and she hadn't even had her head shaved.
She's just sitting there going, oh, what a great day.
John Major came to see me and you're like, what the fuck is this?
And what did they say?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, that was the point.
Sorry.
I was just going back to the absurdity of that one.
At first, they were really polite and friendly.
Then they just shut up.
Then one of them, the younger lad, was just looking at his shoes going, I can't talk to you about this.
It's above our paid rate.
And I was like, my God.
The impression I got, though, James, is that maybe he didn't really know that until I showed him the video and said, well, this is absurd.
This isn't real.
You know, what are you doing about it?
This is Thomas Mayer.
Is that his name?
No, what's the name of the school teacher that was shot?
No, the guy who did the shooting.
I'm pretty sure that he was a friend of Prince Charles and Jimmy Saville's.
I think there's pictures of them on a shoot.
That's what they said.
But then I noticed, and I believe you've alluded to it a few times, that whenever we get a big story, we get an approved alternative conspiracy theory.
And yeah, I have looked into the Dunblane story of like satanic ritual killer and stuff, but it's like, if those shootings actually took place, why is that woman lying about being shot through the head?
It's just impossible.
But there's so many of them.
There was a royal commission into Dunblane as well.
It's about 700 pages, the report.
I read every single page of it.
It's just gobbledygook and nonsense.
So are you saying that nobody got killed at Dunblane?
Nobody got hurt.
Nobody died.
That's my take.
Was this wasn't that tennis player supposed to have been there in that class or something?
He's from that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know the one you mean.
And there is a golden post box in Dunblane after him.
I forget the name of him.
It's the most famous British one.
Yeah, him.
Not Tim Hembler.
Andy Murray.
So he must know.
You couldn't be.
I mean, when you're in a small place like that, everyone knows everyone else's business.
Was a massacre in my village that didn't happen.
We know that it hadn't happened.
Yes, and no.
So, some of those doctors that I mentioned, and I was part of the medical freedom movement, and geez, they're the establishment deployed an awful lot of shields to guide conversations and stuff like that.
I, however, believe that a huge number of doctors believed in COVID.
They really did.
They absolutely did.
And I've met many normies that believe that their relative died of COVID.
I have actually met more normies that believe their relative died of the vaccine that they're naturally COVID.
But belief is just all that's required for belief is going along with the story or following it.
In the same way that think maybe that the killer in Dunblane or the alleged killer in Dunblane was, you know, serving the interests of the Illuminati, or that the parents of Maddie McCann sacrificed her to Gordon Brown's brother-in-law or something like that.
Whereas, you know, I think the truer explanation in many of these cases is that actually this event didn't happen.
Yeah, I was completely agnostic about whether or not when I mentioned Jimmy Saville and Prince Charles, I wasn't suggesting that the event was a masatanic ritual slaughter for Satan.
I think your theory is much more likely that it was a bit like Sandy Hook.
It's yet again, it's there for gun control purposes.
And it was very successful, wasn't it?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Let me test you.
Did you ever look into the Jamie Bulger case, James?
No, I didn't.
So I in 2021.
Give me more second.
I need a pee, and I'll be.
You do that.
I'm going to grab some beer.
I don't think we've done Jamie Bolger.
But it does fit into the Dellingpole rule that the more you're told about something, the less likely it is that it was actually true.
And there was a time when we had little Jamie Bulger ram down our throats.
So tell me.
I've been upsetting people with this one for the last year because in 2020, when I wasn't online, I just thought everything was nonsense online and just occupied myself in the jungle working with animals.
Came on 2020 and learned a lot, obviously, a huge amount, because I hadn't really sort of scoured the web and stuff before and spoke to a lot of interesting voices.
But it was very obvious to me that I had been fooled by a number of narratives.
Not space.
I thought space was fake since I was a kid, but a lot of them.
So I just started going back through every major story that I had personally believed and intersected with.
Dunblame was one.
Many people have looked into that, including Miles Mathis.
But then the first time I took a pass at Jamie Bulger, I remember the sadness of believing it was real.
And I really don't like anything where kids are involved.
Like even when I'm stalking, I guess people, well, not stalking, investigating people, checking Instagrams.
As soon as there's photos of kids, I just feel like I don't really want to be doing this.
You know, perhaps wrongly, I feel that I'm investigating a family.
And what if I'm wrong?
Maybe I'm being a ghoul and stuff like that.
And I think that bounced me off the Jamie Bolger one because I certainly believed it my whole life until someone made a reference to it and I revisited it.
And then I read her book, The Mother's Book, Denise Felter or Fulture or something.
I'm not quite sure.
Jamie Bulger's mother, I let him go, was the book.
And in there, there's a reference that so Jamie went missing on the, let's say, Friday.
She was with the police all day on Friday.
He didn't get discovered till Sunday, according to the official story.
I'm not quite sure on the day, but the timeline is right in terms of number of days.
And then on Saturday, just the day before he surfed down, the police are like, you're exhausted.
You should go home.
She couldn't bear to be at home where she lived with her child, which is the first place a mother would be if your kid was missing.
You'd want to be at home praying that the kid comes back.
So she stayed at her mum's.
And then she writes this in her own autobiography or in her own book about the event.
The phone rings.
Someone on the other end, a man, says, We have your boy.
We have your boy.
So she screams, prank call and hung up, didn't call the police.
And in her book, writes, oh, that's just how sick people are.
Like, I don't have kids.
But if I, if I, if my dog went missing and someone called me and said, hey, I've got your dog.
I'll be like, brilliant.
You know, who are, even if I thought they sounded sketchy, I cannot believe a mother alive would just hang up the phone and call prank.
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So that straight away was a major red flag that I could not reconcile.
So I started looking into it more and more and more.
And then I'll just end on one big bit.
So we're always asked, why would they lie?
Why would they do this?
So for me, one of the most iconic memories of Jamie Bulger, other than the connection to that child's play movie, because I'd watched it around the same time, was the CCTV images of him.
And a lot of people I've spoken to, it's like, yeah, I remember the photos.
It's kind of seared into my consciousness.
It is seared into your memory.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that for me can be another flag.
It's like, whoa, why is that in there so deeply?
And why do I almost feel emotional when I think about it?
The poor kid and obviously all these natural human sort of feelings that we'd have if the story was real.
But then I looked into it.
I can't be quite sure on the number, although I think it was eight.
There were so few CCTV systems in operation at that point.
I think it was eight.
Stores, malls had full CCTV, one of which was the one that Jamie Bulger went missing from.
And then as you look into it, there was a lot of public resistance to being survived in Britain to the insane degree that we are.
And a lot of people were like, oh, we don't want CCTV.
If you put it in the mall, we're not going to go to the mall.
Obviously, a shopping center, we'd call it.
But then it flipped straight away after Jamie Bulger.
And it's like, well, that might be one reason why they might lie.
And maybe, you know, that tragedy is real as told or it is a bit overboard, you know?
And we have been told about it a lot.
It makes people to this day, including myself, when I was challenging my own beliefs on it, when I mentioned to people like, sure, I believe that anymore, a lot of people get quite emotional.
It's like, you monster.
He's like, no, no, the story is monstrous.
I'm saying there's reasons to doubt the story.
So I think every big story that appears in this manipulation device or system of control that is media is suspect.
Absolutely.
And the more horrifying, the more traumatic, the more salience it has, the more reason we really want to do a bit of research into it.
I suppose we should very, very briefly mention, although we should have mentioned this before, that for those who don't live in Britain, Jamie Bulger was this toddler, about three years old, was he?
His mum had taken him to the supermarket to the shopping mall, and for some reason she lost him.
And Jamie Bulger got picked up by two boys of about 11, 12.
And the story went that they'd taken him off to a building site and then killed him.
Railway tracks.
Talking him extensively.
Railway tracks.
And the nation was horrified.
And yes, you're right.
the cctv images were very key to the apprehension of the because and and had there been more cctv they would probably have been able to track him down before that's what they were saying yeah that's what they were saying Yeah.
Yeah.
We only had C, we lost CCTV trail after he left the shopping mall.
If only it was everywhere.
If it saves one child.
And you're like, hang on a minute.
And even the mother having a best-selling book after, you know, it's a Sunday Times bestseller.
And you're like, well, that was presumably the equivalent of a GoFundMe in its day.
So her quid pro quo.
And I don't know what the deal would have been for those boys that were that supposedly abducted him.
Are they in prison?
Was Lucy Connolly ever in prison?
Or are we just told that they are?
I mean, one thing that also makes people quite hot with the likes of us is that we're pointing out the absurdity of this theater.
We're like, we are watching the show, people.
This is reality TV.
It's not reality.
That's another one that gets people really angry really fast because that's the electric fence issue.
You can't let the public start following that line of thinking.
Because when we watch certain things now, it's so bloody obvious, isn't it?
You're just like, oh, you could have tried harder MI5 or CIA or whatever clowns are putting this performance on.
Like, it's such obvious theater that they don't want us pointing out the Emperor has no clothes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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And it worked to you, James, for doing so on a regular basis.
I do appreciate it.
I'm just, you know, Kamikaze crazy.
But I wanted to show you: do you know how horses signal that they're happy to come and to talk to you?
No, tell me.
Okay, so when you go to, I got this from a horse behaviouralist.
So actually, from a jockey who discovered horse behavior, he was really into it.
And I'm fascinated by this too.
When you see horses in a field and I said, well, how do you make them come to you?
And he said, oh, well, they'll come to you anyway because they're curious.
You just stand there, not, you know, just make yourself available.
And the horse will approach you.
And when he's sussed you out, decided you're okay, he'll do this.
He'll lower his head and look to the side.
And that's the signal he's accepted that you're okay.
And you reply.
And you don't look him in the eyes.
You look sort of past him because they don't particularly feel comfortable with direct eye contact.
And that's how you communicate with a horse, how you initiate the conversation.
I think it's been a while since I've been around a horse.
And they're an animal I would love to work with.
I've never even ridden a horse.
And I do think that we have this unique tie humanity with dogs and horses, a couple of other animals, but in particular those.
I would love to have a horse and like tour America on horseback, you know, that would be quite nice.
But yeah, I don't know them very well.
But would I be right in imagining because it works so well with so many other animals?
If you turn your back to them, would they come over and be curious?
Like, most animals are a lot less frightened if you reverse away from them.
They might do.
They might do.
I don't know.
The other thing, if you're trying to load a horse into a horse box, you do not stand square on.
You stand because when he looks at you, he thinks you're a gate.
You're signaling to him that you're a barrier.
But when you turn side on, he's happy.
It'll go past.
Anyway, next time you get a horse.
Leo.
It's on my bucket list to ride a horse.
Have you ever seen those tours, James, that obviously you're an avid horse rider where they take people out in, I think it's South Africa or parts of Africa, and then they just gallop on a horse and all the wildlife comes running behind them in a phalanx.
Wow, that would be amazing.
Don't think that that is not the thing I most want to do.
It is absolutely my, it is my number one bucket list thing.
I really, want to do it.
I think his wife doesn't ride, so she'd have to come along in the land cruise or whatever, but it's fine.
I mean, safaris are fun.
I love going.
Like you, I'm an animal nut.
Particularly birds.
Just because once you've done the done the mammals, you've seen them and they're great and they're fantastic.
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But then when you start getting into the detail of identifying birds, particularly in the rainforest where it's really hard and you need a birder with you who can identify the calls and stuff.
So I rely quite a lot on when doing things like wildlife surveys on the birders more than any other kind of tourist or enthusiast.
Bird watchers are unbelievably meticulous.
So they're not necessarily interested in the mammals or stuff like that.
They're going to a remote national park trying to find a paradise fly catcher.
But if I talk to them, often I'm more interested in the mammals.
They'll be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I saw some some bear tracks here.
Like they're incredibly observant.
And I also take their word as gospel.
Whereas a lot of tourists can't always really be sure what they're talking about.
Oh, I do hope I come out to your animal place one day, Leo.
It'd be so cool.
You'd be very welcome to I'm trying to find someone to take over for me.
I don't want to abandon my charity after so many years, nor the animals that I look after.
But I don't know, that aggressive move from, you know, whoever's behind all this nonsense that they foist upon us, it was a changing time for me.
I feel like maybe I'd been a bit cowardly and like hiding from humanity because they thought since childhood, people have always thought I was really weird and odd for not believing in certain things.
Still had normal traits to me, obviously, but knew something was very off from the moment I went to school.
That I then gave up on trying to speak out and then came out of retirement in 2020 because it's like, bloody hell, I need to say what I think, as do others.
And I don't think I could have averted 2020, but I think I should have been speaking out my whole life.
And I'd really like to be able to base myself more full-time in the UK because that's where I'm from.
You know, it's very hard to wake people up here.
It's hard to wake people up everywhere, right?
But as a foreigner, it just doesn't really mesh so well.
It's like go back to your own country, the standard Rome responses.
But I've been going back to Ipswich quite a lot more where I'm from and spending time with elderly relatives there and just talking to people in the supermarkets, butchers, greengrocers.
It's a sad reality that people love to follow others.
And before I completely lose the plot or lose myself in alcoholism or something like that, I have some natural leadership tropes in person.
I don't think I do very well in digital spaces, but I can feel that there are people saying, well, tell us what to do, but not sign this petition, not go march in London.
It's like, well, we need to go to the mayor of Ipswich and ask him what the bloody hell is going on.
We need to go to the councillor, a hundred strong men, or just comfort strong men or women.
And by strength, I mean in terms of your personality, not raw lifting.
And do you know the watching eyes experiment?
Are you familiar with that?
That we're all more honest when we think we're being watched.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I spend a lot of time harassing police officers, politely, maybe not even harassment, just telling them to do their job and telling them they're being watched.
I've had it only a couple of times have the police ever been aggressive to me.
Once in Hungerford, they were extremely aggressive and came quite, well, didn't physically assault me, but I could see they were gearing up to be physical.
And it was like, I don't actually want to get in a fight with them, you know.
But everywhere else, they look at their shoes.
They act like naughty school children that are being told off.
And I think we just need to intensify that in a non-violent, absolutely non-violent, but a forceful way.
And just say, hey, what are you doing?
You're being watched by this community and we don't tolerate it.
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Even on a smaller level, it has worked.
The places that I frequent around Kuching, no one's wearing masks.
Good, good strategy.
I like that a lot.
Leo, I've got to go and cook lunch now.
What?
Where can we find you?
So I'm mostly on Twitter, although very effectively shadow banned.
At biddle underscore Leo.
My Substack's Warrior Monk and my charity is projectborneo.org.
And if anyone wants to support me, I don't charge anything for my opinions, but I did launch the most ethical candle company in the world, Clugu Candles.
I'm not club, I swear it.
And hopefully later this year, I'll be launching conspiracy candles, which will be a unique brand scent with basically, you know, I was going to ask Mary to write one for Madeline McCann.
And then the Maddie McCann candle.
And then you just have all of the information on potentially a thumb drive with each candle as gifts that people can buy for each other.
9-11, moon landings.
I think that'd be quite a nice little niche thing.
Until I launch that, someone could buy a candle if they want to support my work and shine a light in the darkness.
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Thank you, Leo.
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