Steve and Jana Ben-Nun are Christians of Jewish descent. Formerly ardent Zionists, they chat to James about how it was that they lost their faith in Israel - and a lot of friends in the process. Also in the conversation: surviving a suicide bomb; the origins of Talmudic Judaism; the Scofield Bible; America’s Evangelical Zionist bloc; the menace of Chabad -Lubavitch; and the scary truth about the Noahide Laws - introduced to the US legal system under George HW Bush - whose prohibitions (punishable by beheading) include worshipping Jesus. The Ben-Nuns are the hosts of https://israelinewslive.orgJana’s Substack is https://janasutoova.substack.com/↓ ↓ ↓If you need silver and gold bullion - and who wouldn’t in these dark times? - then the place to go is The Pure Gold Company. Either they can deliver worldwide to your door - or store it for you in vaults in London and Zurich. You even use it for your pension. Cash out of gold whenever you like: liquidate within 24 hours. https://bit.ly/James-Delingpole-Gold
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Jana and Steve Bennon.
I've been, I mean, I know I always look forward to my podcast, but I have actually been looking forward to this podcast because we're going to talk about, well, mainly, I suppose, about a subject I haven't covered.
And it's really important.
I mean, it's, it's, I think if people knew what you're about to tell me, they'd be really kind of, they'd put this on their number one things to worry about list, wouldn't they?
Jewish Roots and Zionism00:07:59
Right.
That's right.
Exactly.
And thank you for having us, James.
It's an honor to be here.
Thank you.
No, it's an absolute pleasure.
Thank you for doing what you do.
Hang on, I'm just going to check that I've got the right microphone.
Yeah, I have good.
Yeah, that's good.
First of all, tell me about yourselves.
Well, when we are together on with Steve, it's always hard who is going to start first.
So go ahead, Steve.
Who are we?
Yes.
Well, we do do a YouTube video called our channel called Israeli News Live.
And although we don't support what Israel is doing by any means in the Middle East, but nonetheless, that's where we're best known at.
And we came out of Zionism about nine years ago.
And coming out of that has caused us to re-look at a lot of biblical things as well.
We have a platform called Danuna Institute of Biblical Research.
So we do research a lot of biblical documents, things like that.
And so it takes us into Judaism, into Talmudism, what those beliefs are, and as well as in the Christian Zionist views, things like that.
And we really have tried to go back and change a lot of that information.
Not change it, but correct the mistakes that are made.
And that's kind of where Jana got really into the Noahide laws as well, which I'll let her take that part out.
Yes, I discovered Noahide laws, not that they were not discovered before, but at the time when I heard about Noahide laws, I was in Israel.
And I think I picked up a little brochure somewhere in the old town of Jerusalem.
And it spoke about Noahide laws.
And I just kind of dismissed it.
I said, oh, you know, it's just something that belongs to a dust of history or whatever, not really important to me.
But then, as we were researching, I found the public law 102.1.4.
And when I read the little small print, it said that the nation of the United States was founded on the basis of Noahide laws.
And I was like, we are based on Noahide laws.
I mean, this is, I heard about Noahide laws from that brochure a long time.
So this is like very beginnings of me kind of starting to pay attention.
And I went into it.
And when I researched it more and more and more, I found out, wow, this is in the United States politics already.
Like there is a one leg in the politics.
And then I found out that they promote Noahide laws by universal language, universal ethics, peace and justice in a world, peace and security.
And I started connecting the dots and I got kind of panicked.
I was like, oh, people don't even know about this.
This is serious.
It's just they're planning something.
And then I started listening to rabbis and the ones that promote heavily Noahide laws.
And I was able to connect them to one specific Hasidic movement called Chabad.
They're the ones who are promoting it.
And they have these legs in every government of the world.
Unfortunately, they're everywhere.
They have these missionaries called Shuluchim, and their main mission, they have two missions.
And number one is to convert every Jew back to Judaism, bring them back to Judaism, all assimilated Jews, secular Jews.
If you call yourself a Jew, come to Chabadism.
That's their number one mission.
And number two is reach out to the Gentiles and teach them about Noahide laws as a future system, religious system of the New World Order.
Great.
I don't want to jump the gun here because I wanted to hear about your sure.
The Noahide laws are going to be.
I'm really looking forward to finding out more about them.
But first of all, I want to know where you're coming from.
Are you both Jewish?
Yeah, Steve is, well, okay.
We're from Jewish families that were, like in my case, same as in Jana's case, our families were Jewish, but not practicing Jews.
That's like most Jews, isn't it?
I mean, most Jews are just kind of faded out, right?
And my grandfather always said, because of Hitler, his father and brothers came over to the United States illegally.
They were ship merchants, and they said there was so much persecution even long before Hitler really got heavily into power.
I guess it was early on, back like in the 20s.
And they came to the United States and lived here.
But then they didn't want, they were more secular.
So they didn't want anyone knowing they were Jewish.
So they kind of altered their name a little bit.
And with my father's side of the family, they were Sephardic.
So they came in much earlier, but they'd converted to Christianity.
But I was never around my father growing up.
And Jana has a similar story.
Well, I have my own story.
It's mostly on my father's side.
My mother was Catholic, her family, but she converted to Jehovah's Witnesses, believe me.
So she brought me up in that my mother was a dominant decision maker in our family, what we're going to believe spiritually.
I grew up in a Watchtower organization, which I came out of by miracle in 2010, and I came to Christ.
But on my father's side, I have family who were Jews, especially my grandmother.
She was Jewish, and I don't know how far she practiced.
I don't think it was very dedicated on her part.
It's just main things.
She would never accept Christianity.
She kept certain objects of Judaism as dear to her and stuff.
But according to Main Rabbinic Judaism, I'm not actually Jewish, according to them, because it's not my mother's side.
It goes by the lineage of the mother.
Yeah.
So I'm considered Gentile.
Right.
And Steve, you are, your mother was Jewish.
Yeah, both parents were Jewish on my side of the family.
And before you sort of made your discovery about, you talked about being in the Zionist.
Were you in the Zionist movement?
Were you massively pro-Zionist?
Yes, very, very pro-Zionist.
I lived in Israel back in 2004 and between off and on between 2004 and 2006, was there quite frequently.
I had a lot of friends over time that I developed in the Knesset.
So I was very active.
And I think that's why they liked our news channel, Israeli News Live.
We were even on cable television here in America for a year.
And we were heavily promoting Israel.
And because I was like one of the early Christians in my family, and I'd believed on Jesus early on, which, you know, my family just kind of ignored it because they weren't religious anyway.
And because they're more secular, they didn't care.
Why Are You Going This Way?00:04:33
So as I came up, I really just studied, when I would study the scripture, I would study it through the Schofield lenses.
And so therefore, it just really kind of steers you right into that Zionist theology.
And, you know, I was in a suicide bombing on September 22nd, 2004.
That was probably the first time that I really began to wonder why are these people blowing themselves up.
I didn't take it as, you know, what an evil bunch of people just to blow everybody up, you know, because here I am, by the grace of God, I escaped it.
But at the same time, the girl was 18 years old and that bothered me.
You know, why would she do that?
You know?
Wow.
An 18-year-old girl blew herself up near you.
Yes.
I actually was going down the sidewalk with her at the time and I just kept wrestling with these thoughts in my head.
I was actually on the phone.
She's coming down.
I'm coming down.
And this thought comes into my mind, why are you going this way?
You know, you know, you hate this way, right?
And then I'm like, you know, or I'm sorry, when I was first going, I was going in a direction that was away from her.
And that's when this thought comes in my mind.
You hate going this way.
Why are you doing this?
Go the other way.
So I turn, I come back out.
When I come back out, now I'm going down the sidewalk with her.
And then it's just like a gentle thought comes to my mind.
If you go this way, you'll get there to the corner.
You'll stand there.
You'll turn your back to the wind.
And you won't be able to, the person won't be able to hear you on the phone.
You should go back the other way.
And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, because just like my own thoughts thinking, right?
But I thought in my mind, I remember saying, okay, fine.
I'll go the other way.
Well, going back the other way is what saved my life because when she blew herself up, the very pole that I always stood by was just torn up with shrapnel.
And she killed the two security guards that were standing there.
Do you remember her face or anything?
Do you remember?
No, I didn't pay attention to her, anything like that.
You know, I just, you know, later, you know, of course I was there.
You know, she was just in pieces afterwards, which was just very horrible to see.
But, you know, the Israeli forces, this is one reason why I know October 7th, something was definitely wrong there because, you know, the Israelis can respond so rapidly.
It's not even funny.
The slightest little thing goes off and they're there.
So October 7th, there's no such thing as an eight-hour stand down.
That just didn't happen.
Yes.
I think we should come onto that.
But I'm just curious about that incident because, I mean, you probably know I'm a Christian as well.
And I'm in daily conversation, well, hourly conversation with God and trying to, well, trying to get to know him better.
And incidents like that make me wonder.
I mean, do you think it must have been your guardian angel or something like that that was I do believe that, you know, just like, for example, you could, I could, it's almost like a battle going on in the mind.
It's like the devil and the Holy Spirit at the same time, because one side was very blunt.
And why are you doing this?
You know, you're going the wrong way.
You hate it, you know?
And then this gentle thought would be, would just come to me that's like, you know, explaining gently, if you do this, it won't be good.
You do have to make another call.
The wind will blow.
You won't like it.
Go back the other way that you were going.
So it's almost like my feet were being directed to go the correct way to stay out of harm's way.
And it put me just low enough when she blew herself up.
The embankment was really steep.
And when I started going down it and she blew herself up, the concussion still knocked me down.
But I was still at that point there, you know, all any debris that would come my way was now going over the top of my head rather than actually hitting me directly.
You know, so I realized that it was just the mercy of God that I didn't die that day, you know, because otherwise I would have went, if I would have followed my own way of thinking, because there was, is what it was, I prayed in the, there's a little set of woods there and I would pray there each day.
And because I like to just get alone in nature.
And so when I went the other direction, that was the easy way to get there because I could just follow the road and then I could go over the side of the embankment there and then walk down in the woods.
Israeli Pretenses and Militant Tactics00:15:26
And it wasn't this really steep, steep hill.
And, you know, and because it's just like going into your own, Jerusalem is on a mountain anyway.
And then suddenly you're going down into a valley, but you go very rapid descent.
And, you know, and it's hard on the shins.
And I didn't like going that way.
So it was, so when I had that thought, it was true.
I hated that way because, you know, it's a lot of pressure on your legs because you're going down like really steep.
And the other way, it's just gentle slope.
Takes you a little longer to get there, but, you know, it'd be a lot easier.
So yeah, that was just an amazing day that day.
So, okay, so you lived in Israel and you were a passionate Zionist at the time.
Did you notice anything that sort of gave you pause, that made you question your zeal for Zionism?
Or did it all look great at the time?
The things that made me give pause was that day there.
The other one was I had a roommate.
I'd rented a house up in a place called Givat Hamivitar.
And the house that I was living in there, I had a roommate there who was an IDF soldier.
Now, he wasn't there all the time.
He would come up.
He'd rent a room from me.
And he would stay there off and on to go through his therapy.
And we talked a lot.
And he would tell me the one thing he told me that really bothered me one day as we were talking was he was telling me about target practicing on Palestinians.
And at first I thought he was just kidding around.
And then he got real serious.
He says, no, he says, seriously, we target practice.
You know, make sure your shooting is good.
You know?
And I told him his name was Iran.
And I said, Iran, I said, that's terrible.
You cannot target practice on human beings.
Oh, Stephen, what are you talking about?
You're going to make me feel bad for what I did.
I said, well, you should.
You know?
And, you know, he was, he was, his family was from Iran.
That's where he gets his name, Ichan, from.
But he lived down in Beersheva.
And he would come up for therapy.
So he would stay with me when he did.
But, you know, it really made me wonder.
And of course, then I, because I really, you know, the Jewish people, they make you want to just hate Palestinians.
And so it came to a time where it was like, you know, you begin to find out that Palestinian people have such a very gentle nature.
You know, I mean, yeah, there are radicals, but they're radicals because they've been made radical.
And it was more from when Jana and I, we went over to Israel and lived there for a short period of time after we got married in, was it 2015, something like that?
2014.
And, you know, the incidents Steve is talking about, I would say they were seeds for him to start thinking, but he still didn't come out of Zionism.
I didn't come out.
I still wasn't promoting it.
It just makes you think.
It just makes you, it just gives you a seed of kind of like, huh, what's going on?
But then you are so strongly brainwashed in Zionism and it's very difficult to break.
So when a point of break was for us, I think we were in Israel and it was some sort of war in Syria against Assad.
Yes.
And we were in Galilee and some Jews, Steve had some friends that were kind of heavily involved in government there, Israeli government.
And they have told Steve that the ISIS members are wearing tzitzit.
Do you know what tzitzit is?
It's that the four tassels on the edge of the garment, right?
Yes.
So they're Jewish.
They're Jewish.
Yeah, so the ISIS militants, there were Jews that were among the ISIS militants.
Yes.
And then when we heard that, this is what was like another seed, but that's it took root fully because we went, okay, let's look into this.
How can ISIS be Jews, right?
And at the same time, we started, I started heavy research.
I found Vanessa Sabile.
And I don't know if you know her.
She's on Sabsa too.
Okay.
And then we asked her for an interview and we actually talked a lot.
Steve got very much friendly.
We became friends.
And we're getting information that, yes, indeed, ISIS members are Jewish and it was Jewish organized.
And ISIS militants were coming to Israel to be treated medically.
Right.
Yes.
So when we realized this, it was, I think that gave that final door that, you know, we just kind of woke up.
Something is really wrong.
And now we started research in all areas, including doctrines, everything.
And that's how slowly we just came out fully out of Zionism.
But I would say at that time, we were still one leg in, one leg out, not sure.
We were confused.
But very full kind of come out was about 2017, 2018, where it was a full come out of Zionism.
And the bombing of Syria when the children were killed that they blamed on Bashr al-Assad, that was another one.
Because a friend of mine that he'd invited us over to his home, we lived there in the same neighborhood and north of Galilee.
And when he told that what Jana just said.
But then when these children were so many were killed, and they said Assad had just killed his own people with a deadly nerve gas bomb, I'd found Aaron Erdom, who was a parliament member of the Turkish government.
And I was listening to one of his speeches before parliament and showing all the evidence where between the CIA with Libya, when Libya was overthrown there, they had smuggled the sarin gas out of Libya and Erdogan was complicit in bringing that into Turkey and it was given to the ISIS militants and they were captured on the border.
And these were these Israelis posing as Arabs that were trying to smuggle this into Syria.
And so they had captured them and then Erdogan demanded their release, that they be allowed to go and to take what they had on into Syria.
And then it was shortly after that time that they actually blew up this device with sarin gas and killed all these children.
And then even Seymour Hirsch reported it.
Well, there was one woman journalist that would report it too, but they ended up killing her for bringing it out.
I guess quite a lot of journalists do get killed, don't they?
Probably by Israeli forces or undercover or well I'm sure, you know, because they don't, you know, they don't want them to speak out.
And anything that affects the agenda, same thing with the Noahide laws.
Yana made such a ruckus on the Noahide laws early on that they did not.
I felt like personally they did not want us to push this narrative.
No, I can well believe that.
Before we, I just want to explore this ISIS thing, because I knew that ISIS were essentially a creation of US intelligence or the CIA, but I hadn't, I mean, I suppose that the CIA and Mossad and MI6, they're joined at the hip pretty much, aren't they?
Yes, they are.
So, and actually, I think I've seen footage from the October the 7th incursion, whatever you want to call it, where there is footage of people who are clearly Israelis.
They're speaking Hebrew or they're not speaking Arabic.
So it seems like there is something going on here where Israelis pretend to be ISIS and pretend to be Hamas in order to help.
There's even a video that I had found that I'd published where the guy was speaking English that was among the Hamas militants, and it was not British, it was American English.
So, you know, he said a few words in English and then switched back to Arabic.
You know, there's no doubt you don't have a stand down.
And then all the things that happened even before that, the removing of the weapons from Sedarot, that they had a storage there for weapons in the event they were to be overrun.
They first removed the Israeli security, then they removed their weapons.
And these people were defenseless.
The one man that monitored all the with his computers, the camera systems, they come in two days before, pull all of his computers out.
The day after, they return them all.
He was actually on Israeli television weeping over this.
He said, if I had had my computers, I would have been able to stop this.
And even Jonathan Pollard, as much, I mean, this man hates Palestinians, but he said in an interview, he said, a friend of mine sitting in the helicopter waiting to get the orders to go could hear the blast going off in the distance, but had to stand down for six hours before he was given the clearance to take off.
Rabbi Mitzrahi out of New York, who's an Israeli rabbi, who was former IRF, Israeli Air Force, said that when he said, he said, a mouse can't touch that fence that we don't have people on the ground in jeeps within seconds.
And he said, and F-16, he said, if we were having an attack, he said, within three minutes, we're already bombing.
In the helicopters, he said, this is totally, and he even says it was an inside job.
Yes.
How many, I mean, some Israeli media has sort of covered the story, hasn't they?
Horetz has written about it.
But how many Israelis, would you say, are aware that they were kind of betrayed by their own government and that their own people were murdered, really?
You know, I follow Israelis that are what I call normal, that they have an ability to critical thinking.
And one of them is Gideon Levy, who is an Israeli journalist.
He does write for Haaret a lot.
So According to him, according to Miko Pelled, if you know Miko Pelled, I don't know if you do, these Israelis are basically a mass brainwashed population by Zionist agenda because they go into schools, public schools in Israel is a mass brainwashed center.
That's what I would say is they brainwashed them since very early on.
It's a heavy Zionist state.
So I would say about 80% of Israelis are heavily brainwashed Zionists against Palestinians.
But there is about 20% of them who understand what's going on.
And about 20%, 80-20, I would say.
Right.
And how many of all the people who died that day and sort of in captivity, what percentage would you say were actually killed by, I mean, insofar as we can believe that Hamas has any independence?
Because it was created by Shin Bet, wasn't it?
Oh, yeah.
Hamas is completely created, financed by Benjamin Netanyahu, and they work together behind the scenes for a certain outcome.
You see, Benjamin Netanyahu, he needs Hamas.
Can you imagine if he didn't have Hamas?
He could never pull it off to take over.
He could go to prison, presumably.
So, yeah, exactly.
You know how it would be so easy to, if Hamas was a true enemy of Netanyahu and Israel, they would get him like this and stop him tomorrow, right yesterday.
That's what I was saying.
They work together.
This is just what you see, what talk is about.
That's just the story for the public.
Yeah.
To finish my question, which I didn't really.
What percentage?
How many?
Well, the Hannibal directive.
Yes.
I would say about two-thirds were probably killed by the militants that came in as Hamas, and about a third were actually finished off by Israeli under the Hannibal doctrine.
In fact, that's where we get the incinerated children.
You know, so much of the horrors that happened was because of the tanks using the type shells that they used that just obliterated everyone that was there.
And, you know, and what's odd as well is there were a lot of actual real Hamas fighters that were involved, but even in their own testimonies, when they were taken captive by Israeli forces, they said, we didn't even know about this operation.
Now, that was interesting.
How could they not know about an operation?
Yet there was all this planning and preparation for a year.
But, you know, the Egyptians had warned.
I mean, Israel knew.
Israel knew exactly what was going to happen.
And yet, now in the Knesset, there have been hearings that have kind of been forced into the Knesset where military soldiers are starting to speak out.
And they actually have played the recordings where they were told from like 0400 in the morning, 4 o'clock in the morning, not to be going down anywhere near the fence line of Gaza.
And they were basically told to stand down early on.
So the sort of the real Hamas, the actual Palestinian ones, the sort of the rank and file who took part in this, they just were told, come on, lads, we're going across the border now.
Codified Jewish Law00:09:12
Get your guns ready.
I mean, was that how it sort of according to some of the IDF that leaked out on that when they were interrogating them?
They were saying those types of statements that they never didn't even know they were going to, they found out that morning or that evening that we're going into Israel.
And so they were all excited.
That's how they got so many to do it to begin with.
Because, yes, oh, we're going to make an attack.
All right, let's go.
You know, but the ones that were doing the real planning and things that were a part of it, I don't think they were really Hamas.
So I would imagine that having once been very popular in Israel, your news service is not so popular now.
No, it's not.
And we're also, I mean, it's obvious we're shadow banned.
I mean, we at one time we would grow a thousand people a week.
Yeah.
And now the only time we grow at all is when something gets through, something really major.
Like when this happened and I reported it, we grew 4,000 people.
We did again, like we did before, 1,000 people a week.
But I watched them and I get emails all the time.
People say, you know, I've got the notification bell clicked.
I'm subscribed.
Next thing I know, I'm unsubscribed.
Or I never get one good friend of mine, he says, Steve, I never get your notifications.
Never.
Are we talking about Substack in particular?
That's YouTube.
Oh, YouTube.
Yeah.
Well, the problem is that the people who control these things are going to be supporting the, they're going to be sympathetic to Netanyahu for one.
Yes.
I mean, it's the global cabal, whatever you want it.
Well, the world cabal, whatever you want to call them, and they're all in it together.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
But I think we should talk about the Noah.
Have we exhausted the other stuff?
Are we going to move on to the Noahide?
Yeah, we just go with the flow, whatever you ask.
So Noahide, first of all, does it come from Noah, as in Noah's Ark?
Is that well?
The rabbis kind of connected to Noah, but that comes from rabbis.
It doesn't come from Bible.
You know, so Noahide laws are purely rabbinic invention.
And rabbis believe that, you know, when they got at Mount Sinai, Jewish people got their written Torah, they also got set of another laws, which is oral Torah.
That's what they say.
That's not the reality, right?
But that's what they say.
They got extra laws that were kind of transitioned by word from generation to generation.
And then this oral Torah is preserved in a document called the Talmud, which they call the scripture.
That's to them a foremost scripture that has authority even above the Old Testament.
Old Testament, according to rabbis, is only for women and children and the Goim.
But the Talmud is the real word of God.
Okay, so that's how you have to understand where they come from.
So Noahide laws come from the Talmud.
They are listed as seven laws in the Talmud, more specifically in the book of San Hadrin, 56A, all up to 60.
It speaks about Noahide laws.
And then Rambam, who is their main authority, codified the Jewish law.
The word for Jewish law is chalaka.
That's what they refer to as Jewish law.
The Noahide laws were codified and put inside of Chalaka by Rambam in the document called the Law of Kings.
And we can find it specifically in chapters 8 to 10 in the Law of Kings.
And because it is codified, they take it as seriously as God said it.
So there is no negotiable, it's no negotiable.
When was this, when does this date from?
The Law of Kings?
Well, it's in the 12th, 13th century.
Exactly.
Okay, so maybe you can confirm something.
I've been reading a bit about this.
It seems to me that if you ask most Christians, particularly the Zionist Christians in America, which there are, what, about 20 million of them, I think?
Or is it more?
Or was it 200 million?
98%.
If you ask them what Jews believe, they'd say, well, they believe in the Torah, the Old Testament.
It's the law.
It's Moses and all these, all your favorite characters, Joseph with his dream coat.
And they're great.
They're Hebrews and they're the chosen people.
But in reality, and I think most Jews don't know this either, because most Jews are so secular, they don't even know their own religion.
That it's a kind of medieval invention.
It's sort of devised by medieval clerics.
Yes.
Now, this is what you just mentioned is basically the key.
When Christians do not understand Judaism at all, they think that Judaism is Christianity minus Jesus.
That's what they think.
Yeah, that's why they refer to Judeo-Christian values, which is a complete oxymoron.
I write about this on my self-stock, but it's just something like two magnets at the wrong pulse.
You start to try to push them together and they just can't connect.
And eventually they have to kind of fall apart.
You're either Judaic or you're a Christian.
Pick which one, because Judeo-Christianity is oxymoron.
And why?
Well, because when a Christian who is totally uneducated in religions of the world, what they believe, how they came about or history at all, they will see a Jewish person with the kippah, you know, Jewish rabbi with the kippah, with a certain garb, and they think, oh, that's brother of Jesus.
And they believe in the Old Testament, they just don't have a revelation of Jesus.
They have absolutely no idea that that person has nothing to do with ancient Israelites.
That's the first thing.
And that the religion of Judaism has nothing to do with Christianity.
In fact, if anything, Judaism is 100% an opposite, an opposed, and an arch enemy of Christianity.
So putting them together is kind of really ironic, but it was done for political reasons, for certain things that they're planning, okay, for future.
But again, Judaism is a separate religion, and it's mostly in a today, modern Judaism form as we see it today.
It is a rabbinic Judaism specifically, which is a continuation of Pharisees.
And you meet the Pharisees in a New Testament when Jesus is strongly rebuking them and he's identifying them as enemy.
Okay?
Yes.
Okay.
So Judaism has developed to the, what is it today, especially 500 years after Jesus was already gone from this earth.
This is when they codified oral law into the Talmud.
They wrote Talmud down.
In other words, they wrote it down, officially codified it and put it in the Talmud in several volumes.
This is when they started putting down books like Shulchan Aruch.
That's another set of volumes of Jewish law or halakha.
And this is the religion that has nothing to do with ancient Israelites or religion of Moses at all.
But it has to do.
Look, the name of Talmud is Babylonian Talmud.
This is their main, okay, so just the name tells you where that comes from.
It comes from Babylon.
When Jews were dispersed in Babylon, they brought with them all these practices.
And this is what they promote.
So it is kind of esoteric magic because the soul of the Talmud is basically Kabbalah.
Talmud Zohar.
Kabbalah.
Kabbalah: Beyond Hollywood Magic00:02:52
That's what they believe.
Yes.
And you get, so it's fashionable in Hollywood.
Madonna goes to Kabbalah classes.
People have Kabbalah bracelets, don't they?
They're sort of red.
That's, okay, it's kind of part of this whole Kabbalah thing, but it's different than what the Rabbinic Kabbalah is actually about.
Is it a kind of form of black magic?
It is.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climate Gate.
So I give you the background to the skull juggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that.
Just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
We must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother.
There we go.
It's a scam.
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Talmud, Zohar, Kabbalah.
That's what they believe.
Yes.
And you get, so it's fashionable in Hollywood.
Madonna goes to Kabbalah classes.
People have Kabbalah bracelets, don't they?
They're sort of red.
That's, okay, it's kind of part of this whole Kabbalah thing, but it's different than what the Rabbinic Kabbalah is actually about.
Is it a kind of form of black magic?
It is.
It is a black magic.
They believe in gematria.
They believe that every Hebrew word has its own spirit and power.
They believe that they can, like this God, Yahweh, okay?
They believe that they can move around the letters and create magic.
They believe that Kabbalah today is so directly connected into actual physical appearance of the world that they believe that rabbis who deal with Kabbalah, they're keeping this world on, that without rabbis, this world will disappear.
It would not exist.
Right.
So the people who believe this, which is what?
I mean, we're talking only a percentage of the world's Jews.
The people who believe this think that they are, well, they really are manifestly superior to all the other people on earth.
And they're the only ones that count.
Yes, and you know, I don't really care that they're very, you're right.
They're extremely small in number.
Problem is that they are holding the governments of the world.
They are in the governments.
And it has been decided in a very high secret circles that the religion of the New World Order will be Judaism, Rabbinism.
And for the Goim, it's going to be Noahidism, which is basically Judaism for Gentiles.
That's all it is.
So the problem is that they hold the power.
It's not how many they are.
They hold the power.
You see, but it's a lot more of us.
And we have the power from Holy Spirit, but we don't use it.
Well, do you think that essentially you're familiar with the Old Testament?
God is always being disappointed with the children of Israel for building up Asherah poles and putting their children in the fire and adopting the religion and worshiping the kind of Canaanite gods, you know, Baal and Moloch and stuff.
And these are all basically the fallen angels, aren't they?
These are manifestations of Satan.
And isn't that what's really going on right now?
Yeah.
Ultimately, they are Satanists.
Even out of their own mouths.
Well, Jesus himself said, I mean, because when they claim, they said, you know, God is our father, you know, and then they'd say, Abraham, you know, we worship God.
And Jesus says, if you, you know, if you'd have worship, if you'd have believed Abraham, you'd believe me.
And then later he goes on and he says, your father is the devil.
I mean, you can't get any plainer than that.
Well, yes, I remember that scene.
So do you think that the people, these people, these Chabad sort of Talmudic Jews, they have no connection with the children of Israel?
Well, I would say this.
I did a post because I write on Substack.
I've just started recently, but I posted one.
It's extremely long, though, but it's about Amalek because of Netanyahu, who said we must destroy Amalek, or however he quotes that up or did exactly right now.
But I trace the lineage of going all the way back, even with from David when he supposedly destroyed every Edomite and Chadad was the surviving heir.
He goes down into Egypt, rises up to authority because he marries the Pharaoh's wife's sister, goes into Syria, etc.
The whole point is, I take it from there all the way into King Herod because he is that descendant there.
And then when Israel is dispersed once again, because of the Romans of 70 AD, they go up into the, I trace that line all the way into the Khazarian Empire, where they married in amongst there.
But even then, it wasn't even, you got to keep in mind who actually ends it up there.
It's literally some of the descendants of what we would say, Pharisees and King Herod's descendants end up into there.
They come back down through, go through Europe.
So to start with, even when they disperse, Jesus has already showed that they're not truly the descendants of, you know, through the lineage of Jacob's children.
They're already broken down.
They're already, I mean, yes, they were marrying like Herod.
Herod did marry a Hasmonean daughter, you know, so he could have some Jewish bloodline in there.
But when they come back down and come back into the modern state, create the modern state of Israel, that's why they hate the Sephardis and the Mizrahi Jews because they are true descendants in the Palestinians.
50% of Palestinians are true genetically indigenous people of this land.
They are, I'll never forget, I have to tell you, James, my doctor down in Orlando, he had a girl because he had his own little pharmacy there at his clinic.
And I would talk to her from time to time, and she was Palestinian.
And one day she was so upset about what was being done to the Palestinians.
And she just blurted out to me.
She said, you know, what really gets me is that we are Jewish.
And I said, what?
She says, Stephen, my family, they've always known that we were the true, she said, they call them Jews.
She said, we were the Israelites that our family, she said, this has been passed down from generation to generation in my family.
That we were, you know, after the Roman occupation and everything, our families were the ones that lived away from Jerusalem, you know, and they kept us as, you know, to cultivate and provide food.
And after they all left, we just came up and then the Turkish came in and conquered and kind of forced people into the Muslim faith and things like that.
But she said, our family have been Jews forever.
Meaning that they are Judeans or original dwellers of Judea.
So modern studies, modern genetic studies done in 2013, they all prove that most Palestinians have bloodline of ancient Israel.
Yes.
Yes.
Whereas the Ashkenazim don't, do they?
No, they don't.
No.
In fact, the modern studies proved that only 0.3% or 3%, something like this, they could connect to ancient Israelites.
Most of them come from converts.
And one of these nations is Khazaria, but not all.
Okay, it's Europe, Khazaria, it's North Africa.
It's, you know, there's kind of mix of races that come only from conversion to Rabbinism.
So by religion, they are Jewish and maybe their mother was Jewish, grandmother was Jewish, but it was by religion, not by descent of bloodline.
Yeah.
So, and these are the most, these are the ones who run Israel now.
So they're not really ancient Israelites.
Yeah.
I mean, it's very interesting hearing this stuff from people who from Jewish backgrounds because, I mean, it must have come as quite a shock to you to discover.
Because I bet when you were growing up, it was like, yeah, we're the Jews and we're kind of with the chosen and we're persecuted, but we're kind of cool.
Yeah, you do.
Yes.
And in fact, you know, when I came to Christ in 2010, Steve took me right into Schofield Christianity from there.
Okay.
So he was like, oh, no, this is the true path.
And you need to go back to your roots, Yana.
You need to discover your grandmother's roots.
Because I knew that she came from.
You know, because we come from chosen people and you feel special.
And I genuinely started to study my roots.
I wanted to embrace it, right?
But then you find out that, well, you find all of this out what we just talked about.
But because my identity is in Christ, that's where the rock, I stand on Iraq, I stand on Christ.
It doesn't bother me.
I identified through Jesus Christ.
I don't identify through bloodline at all, but you know, but that's you're right.
I'll say this on that part there, right?
Because my mother was Ashkenazi.
That's what her family was.
My father, though, on the other hand, was his fan, his family tree goes back to northern Africa.
And oddly enough, of course, I wasn't raised by my father.
I didn't see my father until I was in my 20s for the first time.
But his family lineage had been believers.
There were a division among them.
Some of them were rabbinic coming from Morocco.
But for the most part, they were Christian coming all the way down through.
But then again, when you study the dispersion of the Christians and stuff from the time when Christ came, one of the apostles went into Northern Africa.
And of course, then, you know, you had more of the early Jewish believers were in Northern Africa.
So they call them Sephardim.
You know, well, the Sephardim was really, that might be more Mizrachia in one way, though, because Sephardim is from Portugal and Spain.
But I remember as I trace the family lineage of my father, they came into Spain and during the Inquisition, they fled to France and then from France to America.
So by the time I get over here, it's really watered down by now.
But I can see it go back and I can see where some were Christians, some were rabbis, but they didn't come from the Ashkenazi line.
As far as on my father's side, they came from only the Sephardic lines.
Yes, but you're right.
We have discovered even my family line.
It's definitely by religion only and conversion Hungarian Europeans, you know.
So it's not, it's, it's, this is why at New Testament, Apostle Paul warns you, don't be concerned about genealogies, because in New Testament, you need to find your identity through Jesus Christ.
Right, yes.
I mean, Paul was definitely Jewish, wasn't it?
Because he was a Pharisee.
He was a Pharisee, so exactly.
He was in that group.
And also what people don't realize when we speak of Judaism, you know how Christianity has many denominations.
When you say the word Christian, you don't know who you're talking to.
It might be.
Now even Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons call themselves Christian.
So just the word Christian, what are you?
Pentecostal, Baptist, you know, the same thing.
Judaism is the same way.
Judaism is the same way.
And people don't understand that they are separated into little groups and subgroups and this belief and that belief.
And they're separated and they sometimes dislike each other.
You know.
I mean, you presumably both spent time in America as when was there a period when you were kind of hanging out with your fellow Jews and kind of enjoying being Jewish and kind of tending to stick with your own people and that kind of thing.
I mean, is there that sense when you're Jewish in America?
Yes, when you do, and especially even that's true.
Even though being Christian, yeah, in South Florida, you know, the worst of the organizations, which were Chabad Jews, I knew all the rabbis down there, very close friends.
From time to time, we would go, you know, occasionally, mainly during the high holidays, we would go to a rabbinic synagogue.
And so, yeah, I'd been around the Chabad organization and reform as well.
Early on, I was part of the Reform.
So the rabbis in North Florida knew me real well, all the way to Miami.
Not only knew him, but Steve was part of Chabad.
They made him join it.
So he joined at the lowest, you join at the lowest rank.
It's very compartmentalized.
This is why when you see Chabad people, now all of them are bad and not all of them really understand what's going on in a high rank.
It's like Freemasons.
Exactly.
You have to get to a certain level in Chabad to really understand what they're doing.
At the very low level, they just, oh, they bombard you with love.
It's a love bombing.
Okay.
And they bring you meals and pretend to care for you as a person.
I bumped into the circles of the ones that obvious were higher up, though, because they would say to me, to me, it was strange, right?
They would say things like, I remember these two doctors that I knew that were Chabad, and I'm sitting in their house.
And the older father, he goes, first he tells me, he says, Stephen, what happened to you?
You're a good Jewish boy.
Your mother didn't make you doctor or lawyer, you know?
And I said, well, I own a trucking company.
Well, that's not bad.
At least you know how to make money like a good Jewish boy does, right?
So then we get into this discussion about slavery.
And, you know, he's telling me, you know, we're going to have, it's not much longer.
We have each one of us, we have our own slaves, 2,800 slaves for every Jew will have us.
All the goy will serve us.
And I stopped for a moment and I looked at him and I said, are you serious?
Yeah, we thought it's a joke.
You know, right.
You know, he's like, Stephen, you don't know what's wrong with you?
So these people, are they identifiable physically?
Do they have hats and things and the beards?
Okay, and in Chabad Judaism, normally it's only the Levitical class that wear these types of garments there.
Yes, the rabbis that I knew all dressed exactly like that in the, you know, the all-black garb.
But when it comes to the regular parishioners that go there that are not part of the Levitical, what they would call the Levitical class or the Koenim, they dress like everyday people and they are always going to be, you will find, that's where you'll find most of your intellectuals in Jewish circles.
They go to Chabad.
Tovia Singer's Lens on Honor Israel00:09:14
When you go to a reform synagogue, you don't find that.
Yeah, you might find some lawyers and doctors that just want the easy way of life, but the real die-hard, serious Jewish people that are the ones that really are controlling the money and finance are in Chabad because they want to control the political system.
You won't know some of them by garb because, like, let's say I knew Chabad doctors, especially in South Florida, there, when we lived there, and they would go on purpose dressed as just regular people.
They never dressed differently.
They would not even put on kippah, like this lawyer.
Only in the service.
Only at the home or going to the synagogue, but they would from daily life, they didn't want to be identified as such, you know.
So they just want you to believe that they're just, yeah, they're Jewish, they won't ever hide it, but they're not saying, you know.
Well, even because of that issue there and our connections that we had there, I got approached by a very, very good friend of mine that was a Christian.
He was a Zionist, and he worked very close with John Hagee on the Night to Honor Israel.
And so he and Laurie Cadoza Moore, who is a very strong advocate for Israel, they got with me to help because they were having a hard time at the time to getting some of the southern on the east coast.
They were having a hard time getting these rabbis to commit to be a part of the night to honor Israel.
And they knew that I knew them.
So they asked me, Can you be a liaison?
Can you kind of work with us?
Because we want to get these rabbis in.
We want them to support what we're doing.
And I remember right before that happened, I was up in Northwest Florida, and there was a rabbi named Ostrich.
He was a Reform synagogue rabbi.
And I was in his office one day and he says to me, he says, Steve, he says, you know, look, I know you're a Christian, but you know, I feel comfortable with you because I know you're Jewish and I don't have a problem.
You don't criticize the Jewish people, but I have a real problem.
And I says, what's the problem?
And he says, they're trying to force on us to embrace Christianity to support some kind of movement.
Yeah, it wasn't embrace Christianity.
They were trying to put Jews to Chabad at the time.
It was a long time ago, 10 years back, but Chabad at the time was creating bridges in every town.
The high members of Chabad were in charge of creating bridges between Christians and Chabad Jews.
So that way they have these Knights of Honor Israel, where Jews, Jewish rabbis, and Jewish people with the pastors and Christian people meet together and they create friendship.
But this friendship was always described as one way, meaning Christians cannot preach their doctrine to the Jews.
Exactly.
But Jews can distribute Noahide laws and their doctrines to the Christians.
And there was an agreement done that this is exactly how things will go.
We're going to form a bridge.
We're going to embrace Jews.
We're going to embrace Israel.
We are going to be strong pro-Israel proponents as Christians, but we can't say word Jesus in their presence at all.
Yes, there's a name, isn't there, for kind of useful idiots of the night.
You got that.
So that was a bridge made for useful idiots, for Christians.
But what's the technical term?
There's a Jewish term that they use to.
I'll think about 10 minutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hold on.
I mean, I know Netanyahu, literally, and I've listened to the interview that because he told them, turn the cameras off, but I understand Hebrews, I'm listening to it.
And he says it plain as day.
He says, Christians, he said, they're useful idiots, you know, just like nonchalantly.
Yes, that's and so.
And they call, you know, they need support morally, financially.
And quite frankly, I will tell you: if Christians knew their doctrines, if they knew their faith, if they knew apostolic faith, which they don't, they don't understand New Testament at all.
And if they knew it, the movement of Chabad and what they're creating right now instead of Israel and what they're planning, it could never happen.
They needed Christians to make it happen.
Well, the Christians got the numbers.
I mean, there aren't that many Jews, are there?
Right, exactly.
So they needed Christians to be so brainwashed, so swayed away to replace Christ with Israel.
And that's exactly what Schofield doctrine already did.
So the first infiltration was early 20th century.
Christianity is what we see today, Schofield Christianity, dispensational Christianity.
That's a new invention.
It's a modern invention.
It shouldn't be even called Christianity because center and prophecy, the spirit of prophecy, is through the lens of the physical state of Israel, not through the lens of Jesus Christ.
Yes.
I'm fascinated by this, these Chabad.
So we're talking sort of movie producers, we're talking financiers, we're talking very powerful rich Jews who go to Chabad synagogues and subscribe to this belief system whereby people like me are going,
we're cattle, and we are going to be one of their slaves in the future when it all comes good for them.
But presumably, in normal life, they'd be charming as charm could be to me.
If I hung out with them, they'd be, yeah, James, you know, we're all brothers under the skin.
Yes, they would be very kind, very love-bombing you, although they will give you immediate hints of where the red line is.
What's the red line?
I can't mention Jesus.
You cannot speak about Jesus.
You cannot.
Let me clarify a little bit on that, though.
Even I think under Noahidism, what they're wanting to do, in order to push Christians under to the Noahide side, Christians are going to have to learn to accept that Jesus was just a good old Jewish boy.
Well, he kind of got off and everything, but we're going to reteach you who he really is.
I actually am part of a group.
I don't know how I ended up in this group.
I guess they found me, but it's a Jewish organization.
They constantly send me documents of where they're writing book after book after book about what Jesus really meant by this or what Jesus really meant by that, you know, taking his sayings.
And I can see, just like in the case of Tovia Singer, I know Tovia kind of indirectly.
We've communicated through text before, you know, privately, because some guy wanted us to debate years ago and he didn't want to debate because I have too far out ideas.
But anyway, Tovia, though, is just totally destroying Christian faith With Christians that are gullible enough to believe his lies.
And it's mainly because we've been taught under the Schofield Zionist doctrine.
And because of that, Christians don't know how to truly defend the faith of Jesus Christ.
And if you know the gospel correctly, then Tovia has no ground to stand on.
And he knows it.
And so I understand his name.
Tovia Singer.
I think that the it's important that people know that name, Tovia Singer, because he seems to be a very popular figure who is specifically focused on Christians and dismantling Christianity.
And enormous number of Christians and pastors, after listening to him, they get out of Christianity because he persuaded them that Christianity is a complete myth.
And then these people then are funneled into Noahide Academy in Israel.
And when you look at Noahide Academy in Israel, they're creating now, they're educating by master's degree Noahide judges and Noahide teachers.
And those are people who sign up to be Noahide judges from all over the world.
So this is a center and that's a new thing.
And people don't think about it as something big, but be very careful.
In a state of Israel, in Jerusalem, is a Noahide Academy that trains Noahide judges to be disseminated and distributed all over the world.
Noahide Laws Academy00:14:58
And they claim that they are preparing them for the world to come, for the new order that's about to happen as soon as the temple is built.
Because the future for the nations is either are you going to accept Noahide laws upon yourselves?
And if not, you will be destroyed.
Yeah, you get your head chopped off, don't you?
Absolutely.
This is one of the punishments when you violate any of the Noahide laws.
Capital punishment.
It's a capital punishment for Gentiles.
And the certain form of execution is only one, and it's beheading.
Yes.
What sort of things can get you beheaded under the Noahide law?
Okay.
Well, at this point, we need to speak about Noahide laws, what they are.
And it's not just seven.
I published on my substack an article and it has a title, Seven is the hook, but the Naidi is the sinker, meaning the seven Noahide laws have sub-laws.
And that's what the sinker is.
That's what sinks you down.
Because when you realize, when you read Noahide laws, even as a Christian, you're going to think, what's wrong with that?
We believe in all of this.
It's just like very similar to the Ten Commandments, right?
So let's name them right now.
Okay, I have them here so I don't mess up.
But number one is do not worship idols.
Christians agree.
Okay.
Do not curse God, meaning blasphemy.
I mean, we agree.
Do not commit murder.
Absolutely not.
We don't agree with murder.
Do not commit adultery and sexual immorality.
We agree.
Do not steal.
We agree, Christians shouldn't steal.
Do not eat flesh torn from a living animal.
That one is a number six law.
And that one is kind of like strange to everybody.
Like, who would take a leg of a chicken, but still keep chicken alive?
Well, the Maasai do that.
Okay, so maybe it's for them, but that's not chickens.
You know, the Maasai tribe in Africa keep cows and they drink their blood.
Okay.
And they keep their cows alive, but they just drink the blood, which they mix with milk.
So they'd be for the chop, wouldn't they?
Under yes, so that's the law.
But now, of course, that law has sub-laws.
Hold on, I'm going to talk about sub-laws because when you look at the law, it sounds normal.
I mean, yeah, we don't want to, you know, hurt animals.
And number seven is positive command, establish courts of justice to enforce the previous six laws.
So according to Noahide law, the Noahide courts have to be in every village, every town, in every district.
Okay.
So we don't see anything wrong with that, although there is no seven laws listed in the Christian Bible anywhere.
We have the Ten Commandments, but not the seven Noahite laws.
So just know that it's from the Talmud, the rabbinic.
But now the problem comes with two things.
Who has the power of interpretation?
Who?
Who will interpret?
When you have a legal system, you need someone in authority to interpret it to you.
So who has the power of interpretation?
It's the rabbis.
Today, rabbis.
So that's the problem number one.
What do they say idolatry is?
What do they say murder is?
What do they say don't eat flesh from living animal?
What do you mean?
Explain.
And that's where they come.
They have sub-laws for every law.
Okay.
And now the sub-laws, when you read them, that's the problem.
That's the sinker.
This is when you understand you got hooked to something really bad.
Okay?
You agreed to something bad.
So I will first say that the punishment for violation of any of Noahite laws is death to a Gentile.
Death by one judge, one witness, and circumstantial evidence is enough.
Okay, so you don't have legal protections.
Forget the constitutional rights.
The punishment is swift, meaning it's you don't sit in jail for a year and have a lawyer and you're going to appeal and nothing like this.
It's swift.
Okay?
So let's talk about sub-laws.
And I will give examples for every law.
There are many, many sub-laws.
We would be here 10 hours talking about them.
So let me just pick some of the main.
Okay.
So that way you understand the weight of it.
Do not worship idols.
When the rabbis explain what is idolatry, they say that if you worship a man or sing to a man that you think is God, or of course, Catholics are totally out with their statutes.
That's completely prohibited.
But worship of a man as God is definitely idolatry, worthy of decapitation.
Rabbis explain that Jesus is a man.
In Talmud, they talk about him.
They talk about him being in hell, being boiled in human feces.
They talk about Jesus, his mother Mary, as a whore.
So they think that, yeah, he was Jewish, but he, you know, he is a bad Jew.
He caused a lot of problems.
He went against authorities and so on.
So he's punished in hell.
So to worship him as God is idolatry.
So that's where Christianity clashes immediately.
I mean, we can't worship Jesus.
And now in Noahite Academy, the ones who are becoming Noahites, there are mostly 90% of people becoming Noahites today are ex-Christians, ex-evangelicals.
That is extraordinary.
Yes.
And there are actually many things.
That's amazing.
Yes.
So they have to sign a document and they have to make an oath, open oath to three rabbis that they are becoming Noahites.
On their document, the ones that they are signing, it says in there that you cannot worship Jesus.
And if you in any way still do, you cannot do your oath.
You won't be allowed.
I thought Christianity was a one-way thing.
I didn't realize that people sort of, particularly evangelicals, who tend to be just more filled with the spirit and all that.
Well, of course, you know what it does?
It happens to people in stages because at first we have Schofield Christianity.
That's what we are, everybody here in America is brought up with, right?
Any church you go to.
The Schofield Bible, which was from the 1860s, wasn't it?
Was not the 1870s?
Well, it was first published in 1909.
Oh, so quite late.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, there was movement and talk about it in late 1960s.
Right, Darby and Schofield.
Yeah, but the universities and theological seminaries in the United States adopted Schofield Bible as the main text for the future pastors that they're creating in those seminaries.
That was a good play by the powers of darkness, wasn't it?
I mean, they did well.
Yeah, because they infiltrated Christianity from within.
What a tactic.
How smart.
You know, devil is really smart, you know.
Just like Catholicism.
So yeah, that's another whole another, you know.
But exactly.
So what happened?
It happens in stages.
And in Schofield Bible, when you read what Schofield really did, it's not that he published commentary.
That's not what he did.
He put his commentary within the Bible, inside of it.
So you have a biblical text and underneath you have Schofield notes to explain the biblical text.
So when Christians were reading Bible, they didn't realize that they're already being brainwashed by one idea of Schofield, just how are we going to interpret this and how are we going to interpret that?
And what does Israel mean in New Testament?
And what is all, you know.
So this theology became so engraved in Christianity that it now equals Christianity.
So what happened?
Schofield took and refocused the center of the scripture to Israel, to physical Israel.
He pushed Christ aside and he brought Israel in.
Do you think he knew that he was working for the Talmudists?
You know, when I read his biography, first of all, I wasn't impressed with the man.
Okay, man, Schofield.
I'm not impressed.
He had very questionable character.
And people can read about this, you know, but I'm not here to judge him or whatever, whether he got better later or didn't.
I don't know, but I'm not impressed with him as a man.
But when it comes to his theology, they say that he was in a high circles of Attenmeier and Zionist Jews.
They belonged to a certain club, you know, men's club, where they were discussing things and future.
And they kind of told him to publish the Bible because he was gaining popularity.
And this is when all these conferences were coming and they were going to conferences, Dallas, and big cities in the United States.
And he was traveling, and thousands upon thousands of Christians were flooding into these conferences.
And that's where it was disseminated: this new idea of what Israel means.
And if you talk against Israel, it's anti-Semitism.
That word is inside Schofield Bible.
Is it?
Yes, it is, especially it was republished several times, even after his death.
It was republished by Oxford Press, which University Press.
Yes.
And so they put that word anti-Semitism in there.
And they said that, you know, you will have no salvation if you're anti-Semite.
And also, you know how the Bible says that the spirit of the prophecy is Jesus Christ.
Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
And Schofield redid this testimony of physical Israel is the spirit of prophecy.
He re-centered the Bible in the New Testament on physical Israel.
Right.
Okay.
So I hadn't realized that the extent to which Christianity in America has been suborned by this doctrine.
So you're saying most Christians in America?
98%.
Because they control all the Bible.
Because denominations, you know, they have pastors and they have been educated in seminaries and theological seminaries.
And when you go through curriculum in those seminaries, it's all Schofieldism and dispensationalism is adapted as an official Christianity.
Right.
Okay.
And so these evangelicals are susceptible to this.
Well, I mean, I am still amazed that these people are renouncing Christianity and becoming Noahide judges.
That is really scary.
Oh, this is very scary because it's been actually financed heavily by even the state of Israel, that Benjamin Netanyahu welcomes Noahides in Israel.
If you think about it, James, APAC controls the political arm of the United States.
Practically every single politician, with the exception of maybe two or three, are funded by the APAC lobby, the Israeli lobby that helps control our politicians.
So they won't dare speak against Israel, not one of them.
If they're confronted, they always stand for Israel.
Now, if you have control of your politics, but then early on, you took control of all the seminaries that produce ministers.
Now, there are independent ministers, but there's very few independent ministers.
But even a lot of the independent ministers have been formed through that Schofield theology because they pumped out all these ministers.
All these churches want to have doctorate-level ministers running their churches.
So practically every denomination has been groomed and formed under that type of theology.
So therefore, there's no thinking for yourself.
And the few that do wake up and begin to say, wait a minute, something is wrong.
We're so few in number that now your entire government is pro-Israel.
Your entire churches and all the congregation is pro-Israel.
And I mean, when I wrote my first book, Israel, They Still God's People, I used Schofield's notes.
And I, I mean, I prove the state of Israel and they're right and what they could do is no wrong so well.
But here's the little trick that they get, though, right?
They had to convince the Christians, though, that also that 10 tribes are lost and they're going to come to Christ too because they're going to come back.
We're going to, we're going to, you know, right now it's only Judah is in the modern state of Israel, but we got all these other 10 tribes yet.
They're going to come back.
And that's where they got them also in that doctrine, believing that there's 10 more tribes coming.
And I think a lot of Christians are kind of like hopeful, hey, we might be that part of that 10 tribes.
Maybe that's one reason why they're so easily can let down their guard and become a Noahide because they feel like they're coming back into Israel again.
But the thing is, it's all fulfilled.
Two Plans of Salvation?00:03:28
And they also have a wrongly explained biblical verses.
And it's amazing to me.
And, you know, I was in the same brainwashed religion, Christianity myself.
So I understand you can be very blind and brainwashed.
That state of mind is real.
And like, for example, Genesis 12, 3, even politicians, when you ask them, why do you support Israel?
They will tell you, because God said, bless Israel and you will be blessed, and curse Israel and you will be cursed.
But if you put on a thinking cap and you go to scripture, the Bible doesn't say that.
It's not there.
God said to Abraham, singular, to you, I say to you, Abraham, that whoever curses you will be cursed and whoever blesses you will be blessed.
And then later, when he repeats this blessing, it comes with the blessing of the seed, which is singular, which is Christ.
So the verse is supposed to be applied to a seed, Jesus Christ, not to physical state of Israel.
Do you see how they misunderstand and completely butcher the scripture?
And then they, just like parrots, you know, you can.
I was just watching Paris with my daughter on YouTube.
And you can teach parrot all kinds of words and it will say it.
And I think that's what Christians are.
They're learning slogans.
Bless Israel, we'll be blessed.
Curse Israel, we will be cursed.
We bless Israel.
Yay, you know, and wave the flag.
It's true.
If you think you've got, if you think you're filled with the spirit of Jesus, as most Christians do, it's very hard to sort of for rational thought or intelligent thought to penetrate that kind of mindset.
Yes.
So you're saved and you must be speaking God's truth.
Yes, they are taught in Schofield Christianity that God has two plans of salvation, not one, two.
They're saying that God deals with the church separately from Israel.
Okay, so it's two plans of salvation.
And God now is in a dispensation of grace.
So we are church who have grace, but God will stop this with the rapture.
He will rapture up the saints.
And now his attention is only on Israel.
And he's going to fulfill and give Israel what he didn't give them.
He promised it and he didn't do it.
So he owes them.
And that's what they are taught.
But if you put a thinking cap on and you read the New Testament, you know that God doesn't have two plans of salvation.
There is only one.
Yeah, and there's no rapture either.
That's just made up nonsense.
No, there's no rapture in that sense that like whatever they are saying, secret rapture and all this.
This is absolutely created doctrine in late 1900s by Darby and Schofield and never was in any doctrine of official Christianity for 1900 years.
Christians never heard about it.
So it's a new invention.
Chabad And The Cult Ideology00:17:05
Tell me, sorry, I'm sort of jumping around here, but Chabad, when was it founded?
Okay.
Chabad was founded in a 17th century, I think, very old, okay, but it was in Russia.
You know, when you, did you hear Chabad?
Yeah, Lubavitch, you know, Lubavitch.
Chabad Lubavitch.
Why would they call them Lubavitch?
Lubavitch is the name of a village in Belarus.
Okay, so because that's where it was born.
And it came out of ideology of Bel Sham Tov.
That's the name of Jews who, Jew who created Hasidism, a specific denomination for Jews called Hasidism.
Now, that kind of grew, but even official rabbis at that time kind of rejected it.
They didn't want anything to do with it.
They knew that some sort of a cult is forming here.
But then it started with the rabbi from Liadi, which also is in Russia.
And he wrote the book called the Tanya.
Tanya.
And that's very important to remember.
That became an official scripture for Chabad.
So on top of Talmud, Zohar, and Kabbalah, they have another mystical book called The Tanya.
How do you spell that?
T-A-N-Y-A.
Okay, Tanya.
Tanya.
Yeah, it's a while.
But, you know, that's their main text, which they go by.
And it is a cult, and it's literally a family cult.
And I call Chabad a Jewish Russian mafia that took hold of the world.
I call this a head of a snake.
Okay?
That's basically.
It's extraordinary because I used to live in, I had a girlfriend who used to live in a part of London called Stamford Hill, which was full of these Lubavitch sect, Jews, with their huge hats.
The wives had to shave their hair and wear wigs.
You could see them with their wigs and they wore sort of these sort of synthetic fabrics, sort of like blue, I think.
I mean, they're very identifiable.
The men you occasionally saw consorting with prostitutes, which you kind of thought, well, that's not very, very religious.
Men seem to get a lot more leeway than the women.
They very much kept themselves to themselves.
But you look at these people and you'd think, well, you're not going to do anyone any harm because there were so few of you and you keep yourself to yourselves.
You're so separate.
And that's my point.
Why am I so focused on it?
And a lot of people tell me that they say, it's just one little sect of Jews.
Well, I know that there are a little sect of Jews.
However, you don't understand they got a hold in a government of the world.
It's not just the United States.
It's all over the world.
They are in every government of the world.
And somehow politicians are persuaded that this is the Jewishness.
They define what Jewishness is.
Chabad defines Jewishness.
Okay?
So, and you know, in Trump, Trump's son-in-law is Chabad.
And isn't Trump secretly Jewish as well?
Yes.
Supposedly he converted officially to Judaism.
And I used to have on my show Dr. Day, Lorraine Day.
She died, unfortunately, two years ago, but she was a wife of a Congressman Denemeyer.
And Congressman Denemeyer wrote an open letter to American people.
And he officially warned Americans that government now can be had Christians legally.
And he, yes, when they signed public law 10214 into the public law system in the United States, where in small print it says that Noahide laws are base for United States.
Right.
So it doesn't.
So who was this guy whose wife died?
He was a congressman who served several years.
Dan Denemeyer?
Dan Denemeyer.
Yes.
Is he Jewish?
No.
He was a congressman who served as a congressman.
And while he was in office, they signed Noahide laws into a law in America.
Was this by H.W. Bush?
Who was the one who signed it?
Yes, he signed it as a law.
Right.
It wasn't just a proclamation for him.
It became a law.
And that's when Denemeyer wrote a warning, open letter to American people.
I'm warning you what they have done.
And they have done it in a very deceptive way.
They sent people home, and only three or four people, congressmen, stayed behind and signed it without the knowledge of the rest.
Right.
So it's a bit like the creation of the Federal Reserve, where I think it was quite similar.
Exactly.
So, and then presumably it didn't get reported on because, well, the media was controlled by Israel as well.
It's not reported.
I mean, it's out there now.
Everybody can see that it's happening if you look into it, but they are waiting for the right time.
They're preparing infrastructure for the new world order.
And yes.
I mean, apart from you, why is nobody talking about this?
Why is it?
You know, it's not just me.
There's people who are picking it up now very seriously.
I just, the reason I got very alarmed about this is because originally I come from a communist country.
I came to the United States, out of communist Czechoslovakia.
So I valued freedom so much.
And constitution is everything for me because of fear of what my generation went through in my country.
We are no longer communists in there.
And I never was a communist and I suffered because I wasn't.
So I know what it means to be ostracized by a society you live in.
Okay.
Because we were persecuted because we were not communists.
But so I came here for freedom and never in a million worlds would I believe that I will find in official American documents support for a specific religion or a specific ideology that can take hold of this world or this country.
But when I found that Noahide laws are embedded in a public law and they're coming in through the education system, and that's what the Lubovich, the Menachem Mendel Schneerson, their Rebbe, the seventh and last Rebbe of that organization, promoted that it will have to come to the United States through education.
And when I saw it, it's under Education Day USA.
I panicked because I see it as preparation for something that one day we can wake up after major, major catastrophe or tragedy or something they're going to create on this planet.
Okay.
When the constitution is completely non-existent anymore, let's say financial collapse happens all over the world and the world is in a panic.
They're going to have to rebuild this world from scratch.
And they have prepared infrastructure for the new world.
They prepared it already.
And part of that infrastructure is that they are preparing American legal system to be based on the Noahide laws.
So I'm telling Americans, one day you're going to wake up, all your children will wake up and you will find yourself on the Noahide law system and you will not know where it came from.
But yet they have been preparing it in a background for many, many years.
Didn't you say that the US Constitution or the Founding Fathers were believed?
Founding Fathers never said it.
It was added by Chabad, it started with Carter.
Okay, sorry.
Okay, so Carter was I think that the Bushes are probably crypto-Jews, aren't they?
You know, there is a lot of saying about this that they are.
I mean, I am not expert in knowing what, you know, what they're hiding as far as whether they're Jews or not or crypto-Jews, but they certainly cooperate with that ideology.
I mean, I've spent, like you, I mean, I was a normie once and I then I woke up.
But in the five or so years I've been looking into this stuff quite quite extensively.
The sort of vague conclusion I reached, obviously there were lots of sort of Jewish baddies, but it seems to me ultimately Satanists.
You know, it doesn't matter whether they call themselves Jews or not.
Ultimately, the people, there's a kind of power structure at the higher levels.
Yes.
And the Noahide laws are clearly satanic.
Absolutely.
And even some Jews themselves will tell you that they worship Lucifer, that that's their God, is Lucifer.
It's just whatever they are saying on the outside, that's not what's going on on the inside.
Now, I wish I had all of my books in front of me.
I can't remember.
I read so many books that now I can't remember.
There is a book of one rabbi who openly in that book, I think it's Demons and Angels or Angels.
Angels and Demons by Rabbi Sadak.
Okay.
In that book, if you read this book, you will be so shocked because you have a Jew, Jewish rabbi, telling you as it is what they really and truly believe.
Like, for example, they believe that the angels in the Old Testament are all reptilian.
It sounds like a book worth getting.
It sounds like science fiction, but yet.
Did he write it as an expose or did he write it in sincerity?
No, he wrote it in sincerity.
Like, this is our faith, and I'm not ashamed of it.
He's been on the history channel quite a bit.
Do you remember what his name is?
Ariel Sadok.
R-I-E-L.
He's got a teaching channel on YouTube.
He lives actually in East Tennessee is where he lives at.
And there's several rabbis that actually teach that, though, or teach similar to him.
Can I ask you about the ones with the tunnels in New York?
Who were they?
Chabad.
Chabad.
So there were children being trafficked, weren't there?
Or children being sexually abused.
Chabad organization, okay.
They are not, okay, this is not a religion.
It's only dressed as a religion.
They're stealing identity even of all the Jews that they're going to be defining what Jewish really means, and they are already defining it.
They're the ones who define what anti-Semitism is.
It's a one-specific organization is Chabad.
Okay, Netanyahu is part of them.
In fact, Nathan Yahoo met Menachem Mendel Schneerson when he was still alive.
And he was named as the person who is supposed to give the keys to their Messiah.
He has to hand the keys to the Messiah.
That's why you see Netanyahu for a long time being there.
He wasn't there for a couple of years and then he came back.
He was re-elected again, right?
So they have him as someone who has to give key to the Messiah.
Because, of course, the Messiah hasn't come yet, according to this particular.
Yeah, according to Judaism, but they want a specific Chabadic Messiah, which is okay.
This is not prophecy.
We are watching artificial re-enactment that might want to look like a prophecy, so you believe it.
This is one Jewish Hasidic cult, more specifically, Jewish mafia, who is not really, they pose as a religion, but it's an ideology, really.
It's an ideology.
And they are criminal mafia because they are doing not only organ trafficking, sex trafficking, pedophilia.
I mean, every unclean thing you can think of.
Yes.
Was Epstein Chabad, do you think?
Well, we know that his girlfriend there, she was Mossad or worked with Mossad from what we can gather on some information that's come out.
I've not done a lot of following on him, but I know that Jeffrey Epstein, there are reports coming out more and more that they believe that he was controlled by Israel, by Mossad, was set up, made wealthy in order to be able to lure and trap wealthy politicians and to get them compromised.
I mean, that's really what they want.
They either compromise them with money or with sex or with and black and to where they can blackmail them.
This is why Trump is not going to, you know, he doesn't want those Epstein files really released.
He might say he does, but as long as they're redacted, because he's so much involved in it.
How embedded with Israel is Chabad?
The modern state of Israel.
Okay, let me explain to you something.
Like we mentioned a singer who will openly say he's not Chabad.
He will say that.
Okay, the one who is now in charge of taking people out of Christianity and handing them to Noah Academy in Israel.
When you look at Noahite Academy in Jerusalem, on the wall is Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
They're Chabad.
Okay, so Chabad is now forefront for everything Jewish.
They have completely taken over entire identity we call Jewish.
They define anti-Semitism.
They are in the politics of the world.
They are very well funded.
It's almost like power is being given to this cult.
Right.
Yeah.
It's really strange, but to me, this is not a prophecy.
This is artificial reenactment.
It's quite clever, though, isn't it?
Because I've seen videos of Schneerson.
What's it called?
Schneerson.
Yes.
You think well, this is just some random bloke popping up on on the internet and and you see this yeah, but look at him, he's not, he's just crazy, just like.
No, he's not gonna affect you.
Never imagine that that such people could could hold sway in the corridors of power.
Exactly, and that's who?
And they do that's that.
Okay, I tell people this, I would debate Jehovah's Witnesses now where you know I came out of there, so I know by their cult, their cult, I can debate Dispensational Christians, I can debate them on doctrinal issues, but I don't see them as a threat.
I don't see Watchtower as a threat, as a world threat.
I will debate their theology, but I support their freedom of religion.
Why?
Because I want mine yeah, I want to practice my faith.
So I give room.
Okay, you can practice your faith, but I will debate you in friendly terms and then bye-bye, you don't affect me.
Well, that's not what they're.
Chabad this is where the problem comes in.
Chabad is already affecting my life.
It's affecting my children's life.
It's threatening the future of my children, and that's what the problem is.
This is why we not only have to debate them, we have to head on, confront them and stop it yeah, and expose it, because they cross the red line.
Because now, if in the Public Law Of United States it says that United States was built on Noahide Law, I mean I have a problem with that.
Pope And The Chosen People00:14:21
Yes, that was the phrase I heard you use and I and I misunderstood it.
But so what do you mean?
It was built, the United States was built.
It says that foundation of this nation is on Noahide Law.
Who said that?
It's in?
Presidents proclaimed it and put it in, is is the ADL conve connected to?
Uh, they're heavily connected ADL.
It's Chabad, fully okay okay, so they own all the, they own all of Congress yeah, and their own interpretations of what is Judaism, what is Anti-semitism?
Right, I mean how, how have Jews received your message?
Has it been popular?
Well no uh, i'm very not popular.
We are not, and so are others are.
Now, there is so many others now waking up there.
I'm so happy because seven years ago, when I first brought this subject out, we were so ostracized, I bet, and we lost about 75 of followers, which which we expected because we had purely Zionist following.
So you should see how we just went, boom down, you know, and we expected it and we accepted it because we don't want to be in falsehood.
But um Jews well, I have a friend who is Jewish.
Her name is Elizabeth Glass, and Elizabeth Glass is Jewish.
She was brought up in a reformed synagogue, but she's with me.
She's with me.
She says I don't want Chabad.
I don't want them to speak like this about Gentiles.
That's not what I believe.
So there is secular Jews, a percentage of them, that they don't want anything to do with this.
Yeah.
Well, I've got loads of Jewish friends, and I imagine, I can't imagine any of them being pro-Habad.
I think most Jews just don't even think of it as a religion.
They've never inquired about what it might mean.
Most Jews, even those who are on a lower ranks of Chabad, they're just like part of a club.
It's just like, you know, when you go to church, you're part of a club too.
Like, let's say if I go to Baptist church, I have fun.
I have, you know, I will worship Jesus, we sing, we do, you know, and I'm not even thinking about Schofield.
And I'm not saying I'm part of Baptist Church.
I'm giving an example.
But so this is how it is with these Jews.
They go and it's fun.
It's we doing chanuka.
Our children meet.
We are having fun as a club.
We don't think of future domination or noahide laws upon Gentiles.
They have no idea what these upper ranks are preparing.
Yeah.
So.
Steve, you mentioned Catholics.
How was the Catholic Church infiltrated?
Well, early on, years ago, there have been rabbis that would convert to Catholicism and then they made it up to become pontiffs.
You know, so the thing is, is different ways.
And of course, the Nostratate agreement between the Catholic Church, originally bringing, I think it was Tony Palmer was a liaison with Pope Francis, where they were friends in the past, so he got together with him.
And then they brought in Kenneth Copeland, who was the big charismatic Zionist.
And they began to form the alliance where they also wrote the Nostriat.
Now, the Nostratate had been written in the 60s, where they were already trying to bring the churches together.
They want to bring all the Protestant churches back to Rome.
But at the same time, they also, Pope Francis had changed the doctrine of the church and no longer was against Israel and holding Israel account or the Jewish people account for the death of Jesus Christ.
So they were building that bridge together.
And Tony Palmer ended up mysteriously dying in a motorcycle accident, which I always kind of questioned that.
I felt like maybe he started waking up to what this agenda was.
Kenneth Copeland, though, on the other hand, really embraced this, was gung-ho, frontline leader, leading this revolution there.
But at the same time, what people didn't know is something Jana had discovered was Pope Francis, before he became pontiff, was already training priests from South America, sending them to Israel to train under the Noahide schools.
No.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, I knew that Pope Francis was dodgy as, but yeah.
Well, that's the other thing I thought you were going to mention, Steve, that the Jesuits, I think, were themselves, well, most of them were crypto-Jews.
I don't know about Ignatius.
Well, that's what a Jesuit is.
That's the whole point: that a Jesuit is supposed to have a Jewish lineage, and that's why they're called Jesuits.
And some argue that he was the first black pope to actually become a pontiff.
I mean, he's very charismatic.
Originally, Jesuits were not Jewish organizations, but they were very, very originally, Jesuits were not accepting anybody from Jewish blood.
I have read a document that explained that how very early on, and I'm talking about past history, medieval history, where actually Jews entered Jesuits and rejust like they do with Christianity.
They change everything from within.
They become somebody, they change their identity to become it so they can change things from within.
Like a lot of Jews have become priests, Catholic priests.
And do you know what Nostre Atata is even?
No, okay, this is very important in what we are just describing.
Catholic Church in its original doctrines was very, which we would call today anti-Semitic.
Okay, that's what they were originally.
Catholic Church did not accept, they held Jews accountable for crucifying Christ.
Okay.
They did.
Yes, which also Catholic Church did inquisitions, right?
And they were doing pogroms and all kinds of stuff like this was happening.
That was Catholic Church and Jews were not friends.
All of this has changed in the 1960s when they came up with Nostre Atata document that directly confronted those beliefs and officially changed Catholic Church for pro-Jews.
So now officially, in its official doctrine, Catholics and Jews cooperate together.
Catholics formally apologized to Jewish people for past mistakes.
They said that Jewish people are now the chosen.
They didn't.
Yes, they did.
They didn't.
Oh, that Catholics.
I hope Catholic listeners are pricking up their ears at this point.
I know you have listeners and as individual Catholics don't even know that Nostra Atata exists.
I was just on.
I've got a Catholic friend who cut me off.
He's excommunicated me.
He's never going to talk to me again because I doubted, for doubting the story about those killings at Bomb Di Beach.
And I'm thinking, well, hang on a second.
They may have died.
They may not have done.
It may have been a sub.
But of all the reasons you would pick to choose to end a friendship, that one, why are you so invested in Jews?
What culturally makes you think that they're such a powerful force that you should end a friendship over it?
It's bizarre how indoctrinated everyone's become by this culture.
That's so true.
But Nostre Atata officially changed Catholic doctrine when it comes to Jews.
That's a special stamp sign and official doctrine of Catholic Church now that the Jews are the chosen people of God.
And Christians officially, and I mean Christians even Catholic represent Christianity officially.
And why?
Because in 19, when Tony Palmer was a Catholic who led this, and it was a World Council of Churches, yeah, but Presbyterian?
Yeah.
Okay.
It was a World Council of Churches.
I don't know if you know about that organization that brought all of the Protestants back to the mother church, Catholic Church.
So all Protestants are now officially under Catholic Church leadership.
So, Nostre Atate, official document of what we call Christianity today, is that the Jews are the chosen people of God, that they have to be regathered back to Israel, back to their land, that land was given to them, that they have to have their temple, that Christians have to kind of look at them as brothers, but as somebody who is chosen, like they're above us.
This is yes, and that document is officially signed.
This is a very look it up, look at what Nostre.
Signed by the Pope that introduced the auditorium with the serpent's head.
Yes, I mean, not only by this pope, this 1960s, but I mean, this is just given official doctrine now of the church.
Have the Orthodox surrendered to this as well?
Have the Orthodox Church surrendered to this nonsense as well?
Yes, that's that's that's why, by the way, Tony was Episcopalian.
Episcopalian, okay.
Yeah, he that was the reason for bringing in Kenneth Copeland and getting the evangelicals on board with this.
This was that they had to form, they did a major alliance, and Tony ended up taking Kenneth and a whole bunch of other ministers to the Vatican, where they met Pope Francis and they did an agreement together, uh, bringing the churches back.
And that was what Tony was saying.
And he was actually standing in Kenneth Copeland's church.
Uh, he said the one thing that had divided the church and the Protestant movement was this proclamation of faith.
I forget the exact wording that it was that he used there, uh, but he said the Catholic Church was consenting on that issue now.
He said there's no more division between us.
And he cited back Martin Luther's thesis that was nailed to the uh to the church at the time.
And so he says the Pope has now broken that.
We're no longer doing, and I forget the exact we are all Catholics now.
There is no more protest.
Yes, that's what, yes.
But you know, I know that I know that we as individuals don't think so, but I'm talking about what's official on papers.
Okay, so that's what we have to look at, what they are preparing, what infrastructure they have prepared.
And now the Catholic Church also officially sent out representatives, bishops to Jerusalem who met with main rabbis of Jerusalem and they signed a document for Noahide laws.
Catholic Church has promised to the Jews that they are going to educate their flocks in Noahide laws.
Yes, there is an official document.
So did the United Nations.
Didn't our Jewish friend Elizabeth, wasn't she actually at one of the catechisms there where they were teaching it?
What's happening?
And people don't know.
It's just so happening in the background.
Elizabeth Klass, that I mentioned, she's quite famous because she was a grassroots politician.
Yeah, grassroot politician.
She ran for Congress from New York.
Yes, and she's a major activist.
Okay, so she has her own website and everything.
So she's Jewish.
And she called me like a few months back and she says, guess where I'm going?
I'm like, where?
Catholic Church.
I said, what?
And she says, yes, because they have classes on Noahide laws for the Catholics.
So she went to sit in that class just from curiosity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she says she came to class and they were teaching Catholics about Noahide laws.
And she says she raised her hand when it came about adultery law.
And she said, so is adultery punishable by capital punishment, beheading?
And they said, yes.
And she asked, is it only women that will be killed or men too?
And basically, they said it's only women.
Well, that's all right then.
Few.
Right.
There we go.
I'd like Jana.
That's why when Jesus, when he was dealing with these Pharisees, had brought out this one woman because of the adultery, they never brought the man with her.
But yeah, Moses commanded both.
Well, it's more complicated than that.
It depends who you do adultery with.
If you are a Gentile man and you do adultery with Jewish woman, you will be killed.
Yeah, then they'll because it's a two-tier system.
Yeah, of course it is.
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It just, I am gobsmacked.
These people can be, I mean, actually, having said that, I know what liberal Catholics are like.
Right.
liberal anything i mean they're just they're just Yeah, they'll go along with the current thing, won't they?
Well, I think that's the hope.
I think that a lot of these leaders in the Jewish Chabad organization, they know where to pick the weak link.
And then they begin slowly but surely working their way forward.
Just one thing to clear up.
You say the Orthodox Church as well has fallen for this nonsense.
As far as we know, they have united on a paper, that is.
Remember, individual people, members of the churches, they don't even know this is going on.
So they will fight over their doctrines and they don't even know that on official paper they're all one, you know, to the powers.
Yeah.
You're just a Christian and the goy.
And as the future system comes in, you will be treated as such.
They won't care how you argue Baptists or Pentecostals or how you argue Catholics.
You know, they look at us as one.
We are the Christian world.
They call West the Amalek and Edom who has to be destroyed unless they will become Noahites.
I was going to say the irony, of course, is that the Khazarians are actually Edomites.
Yes.
They came from Edom.
They're the very thing that they claim to be fighting against.
Well, they have changed.
They invert things.
Whatever they're guilty of, they put on you.
So that way it's called inversion.
And that creates basic confusion.
Yeah.
Well, Jano and Steve, I have so enjoyed this conversation.
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
I think loads of people are going to be going, wow.
Wow.
There's so much to take in.
So thank you very much for doing what you've done.
And yeah, I mean, more power to your elbow.
I'm sure that God chose to save you, Steve, for this, to help you on this mission.
He didn't want you in pieces on that sidewalk.
True, true.
And he wanted to pair me with a wonderful lady that's really been a blessing for me as well.
And, you know, when you talk about the Kanegidot in Hebrew, which is where it says about Eve, she would be against him.
It literally is an ex, it's.
It's a word that means it's kind of like to to, it's.
It's to bring each other into a balance, is what it is.
Well, he's talking about Adam and Eve, you know.
He's talking how people describe, oh yeah because yeah, they make woman is a helper, but the actual word is kanegidah, which is well as what it actually says, it's a helper that they, they use the.
They actually say corresponding, I think it's the way they use it in English, but it's.
It's actually.
It's kind of like the.
It's like describing a wife to be like, what are you doing?
Hey, get over here buddy, and you're like, okay honey, and it's so.
It's like it helps to work the two together.
You've got to remember your, your place there Jano, because I i've just been reading Corinthians and Paul.
Paul Is he.
He tells us that man is man, is from god and woman is from from man, or so I can't remember the exact passage.
You know listen, listen.
I believe um, in a marriage, that's um, can man do whatever he wants.
No he he, I mean he still has to answer to his wife.
I'm going there, i'm being good right, so it's not like.
I believe it's that they're equal.
They're together, they're co-pilot one is a pilot, the other one is co-pilot.
They answer to each other.
It's not like one is, it's just one way.
But this is all another subject of equality in marriage.
But, and biblical equality and how it all should work and should be.
It's not about woman being uh quiet.
You know, woman can certainly bring up, bring her voice, and you know to to right.
We know that, we know that we're we're we're, we're on the same page here.
Uh, i'm very glad that that you you, that you're a great double act and i've really enjoyed talking to you both.
Thank you, thank you.
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