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Welcome to the Dellingpod, Scipio Eriditis.
I've done podcasts with many people with many interesting names, but nobody's got a name like Scipio Eriditis.
I know it's not your real name.
Tell me about your pseudonym.
Who is Scipio Eriditis?
Yeah, so I'm Scipio Eriditis.
Pseudonym I write under at Substack.
It's Dispatches from Reality, and that's dfreality.substack.com.
And yeah, I'm just a big lover of history, particularly Roman history.
And so Scipio Africanus, one of my favorite military generals of all time, certainly one of the singular historical figures in the ancient world.
And not only for his role, you know, in fighting the Carthaginians or the Phoenicians, but just a lot to like about Scipio.
And so, you know, part of it was that.
And then Eriditis is Latin for knowledge, right?
So Scipio is Latin for rod, and then Eruditis, knowledge or instruction.
So the rod of instruction.
You know what?
We're going to talk about Freud today.
But actually, now you've mentioned all that, I'm thinking, hang on a second, this guy knows all about Roman stuff.
I'm assuming, because you are obviously down the rabbit hole, you must know stuff about the Romans that conventional historians either don't know or are in denial of.
I mean, is the stuff we're told about the Romans complete bollocks, like everything else?
I mean, like all of history, right?
It's written by the victors.
And so certainly people's personal biases impact some of these things.
But generally, as far as the historical accounts of Rome go, I mean, I think they're generally reliable, excluding obviously the biases that any person's going to have when writing history.
Right.
Where are you on the Carthaginians?
Were they real baddies?
Yeah, I think the Carthaginians were one of the most evil empires to ever exist, right?
Extremely powerful.
And in particular, the Carthaginian religion, which, I mean, there's a lot of historical evidence pointing towards this direction.
When people ask, right, what happened to the Canaanites?
Well, they didn't go anywhere.
the Canaanites didn't disappear.
They are the Phoenicians, which are the Carthaginians.
And so the Canaanite religion was extremely bloodthirsty and extremely violent.
And I mean, we're talking about, I mean, some of the stuff we're going to talk about today, right?
The ritual abuse and sacrifice of children, all sorts of sexual rituals and magic that's with a K, right?
I mean, this is really a horrific, horrific pagan religion.
And so this is one of the charges that the Romans continually levied against the Carthaginians, right?
Is that they would, I mean, not just children, they would have open-air human sacrifices within their cities.
And now some modern historians were trying to say, you know, oh, this is just Roman propaganda, right?
You know, they're just making up these things about their enemies.
They didn't really do this.
Well, you know, archaeological evidence within the past, you know, century or so has confirmed, no, indeed.
I mean, there are mass burial grounds of infant bones that we have discovered in the ruins of some of these Carthaginian and Phoenician cities.
So I think it's really beyond dispute the fact that the Carthaginians engaged in human sacrifice, including children.
And this is certainly, you know, certainly one of the major criticisms that is levied against them throughout the ancient world.
Right.
On a previous podcast, I remember somebody else fingering the Carthaginians.
Isn't there an account of Romans taking Carthage and vomiting at the sights that they saw there, children being sacrificed and stuff?
Yeah, I mean, there are some truly, truly grisly accounts, honestly, of these sacrifices, right?
And so I think it's Diodorus Sicilis who writes about how the Carthaginians would have giant bronze statues to Baal, and they would heat these statues up and they would throw infants onto the open hands of the statue.
I mean, it's difficult to talk about, honestly.
And they would roll off the burning statue and into the flames.
And they would play drums, loud drums, so that you could not hear the wailing and the screaming of the children.
And if a mother shed a single tear during this sacrifice, then her sacrifice was not found worthy for the gods, you know.
And so you had to sit there stoic, stone-faced, while your child was being ritually sacrificed in order for, you know, Baal or whoever to hear your prayers so you can have, you know, a good harvest or what have you this year.
And so, yeah, I mean, it is really horrific, honestly.
Horrific, what occurred.
Can you explain the time scale to me?
So you've got, okay, the Canaanites, but I mean, there were other sort of nasty tribes that God enjoined the children of Israel to destroy, weren't there?
I mean, it wasn't just Canaanites.
Who were the others?
No, so there are several tribes throughout Canaan or the Holy Land, right?
Palestine, whatever you want to call it.
There were several tribes, obviously.
The Amalekites have featured pretty prominently, you know, in this whole Gaza discussion.
You know, the Canaanites are the major enemy.
And so, yeah, that's a fascinating, certainly not one I've written on, but definitely one I want to explore in the future, right?
The conquering of Canaan.
A lot of misconceptions certainly around that conquest.
Okay, so you've got the Canaanites.
When were the Israelites fighting the Canaanites?
What sort of 2000 years ago?
So generally, so the Bible dates the Exodus at 1446 BC.
And so, you know, the Exodus period, wandering in the desert for 40 years.
And so the conquest would have happened immediately after that 40 years by Joshua.
And so that places you around 1406, 1407 BC.
And there's been a lot of archaeological evidence and discoveries again in the last century of, you know, there is all sorts of warnings going out from these cities within Canaan, trying to ask for the assistance of the Pharaoh, trying to, you know, warning of this giant army that had come and was wiping away so many cities.
You know, you can go to the ruins of Jericho today and the walls, I mean, the ruins of the walls, you can see them.
I mean, they all just came down and one fell swoop, right?
Exactly how the Bible describes it.
So, you know, obviously modern archaeologists are going to quibble upon the dates, you know, and without getting, you know, too much into the weeds on carbon dating and some of this other stuff.
But, you know, precisely how the Bible describes the fall of Jericho, I mean, we can see the archaeological evidence of that, right?
So it is, it's pretty astounding, honestly.
Okay, so the Canaanites get trounced by the Israelites.
And, well, not completely trounced because they obviously spread out.
So Carthage is in North Africa, isn't it?
Is it Tunisia?
Yeah, which is modern-day Tunisia.
Okay.
So were the Canaanites always spread out across northern African coastline or did they move their issues on?
Yeah, so the main city was Tyre, right?
And so this is one of the interesting things about the conquest of Canaan is that, you know, when we read these ancient biblical accounts, you know, the war language, right, is like, hey, you know, go wipe them all out, right?
You know, leave none alive.
And yet you read later accounts and even, you know, within the conquest, you know, the book of Joshua said, oh, you know, they wiped out all their enemies.
Well, you read the book of Judges, and there's still Canaanites.
There's still these other groups of people, right?
So how do we interpret some of these things?
Well, I think this is pretty, you know, common kind of like war language, and particularly in the ancient Near East.
It's the same way like for a sports game, right?
Where you say, oh, you know, we killed that team.
I mean, did you literally kill the team, right?
No, you didn't literally kill them.
And so, you know, this is that kind of hyperbolic language that you see in ancient war rhetoric.
Oh, yeah, we totally wiped out our enemies.
Well, they're not totally wiped out.
There's still remnants of them there.
And as well, God says in the book of Judges that he is leaving enemies in the Holy Land to test the Israelites against, right?
So not only to test their faith, but also so that they, you know, they're still a very young people.
They don't know war.
They don't know warfare.
And so God left these enemies, you know, in his providence so that they could learn the art of warfare and how to defend themselves.
And so, yeah, I mean, there are Canaanites still living in the Holy Land well after the conquest.
And, you know, Hiram Abif, the king of Tyre, he is Phoenician.
He helps provide materials for the first temple.
He is an ally of Solomon, right?
So there is a time period where the Phoenicians are, you know, I would say genuine worshipers of Yahweh.
And, you know, the other interesting thing, too, man, there's so many rabbit holes we could go down here, but the other interesting thing, too, about the conquest of Canaan is that, you know, personally, I see Melchizedek as a Christophane.
But even, you know, even if you don't agree, right?
Melchizedek is the king of Salem, and he's a high priest of Yahweh, right?
And Salem is what would become Jerusalem.
And so there are true worshipers of Yahweh in Canaan, in Palestine, before the Israelites come.
And so when Abraham leaves the Holy Land, the Lord tells him, right, that the iniquity of some of these tribes, such as the Amicolites, have not yet been fulfilled.
And so he gives some of these people 400 years to repent of their evil, to turn back to the true worship, you know, and the true God.
And they don't do that.
And so by the time, you know, those 400 years are up, I mean, that is the 400 years of sojourning in Egypt, right?
And so, you know, I think there's a very strong case to be made, frankly, that the Canaanites at one point were true worshipers of Yahweh.
And that, you know, this is less going and conquering, you know, pagan peoples, although certainly they are pagans, you know, that they don't worship the true God, but, you know, that these people are apostates more than purely pagans.
Is that an unusual position you're taking there, or is that quite common?
You know, it's probably more of a minority position.
I mean, as far as Melchizedek being a Christophany, that's, I mean, that's, you know, what's a Christopher?
It's very divided.
So Christophany is an appearance of Christ in the Old Testament.
And so it's a little bit of an anachronism, right?
Because Jesus Christ is, you know, the human nature of the eternal Son, right?
And so he doesn't become Jesus Christ until he becomes incarnate.
So a Christophany is a pre-incarnate appearance of the Logos or the eternal Son of God, right, throughout the Old Testament.
And so whether it's the angel of the Lord or the glory cloud or the pillar of smoke, right?
These are all said to be the angel of the Lord or Yahweh.
And a lot of times it's like used interchangeably.
So yeah, I mean, a theophany is just an appearance of God and time and space.
So Christophany is the same thing, but for Christopher.
That would explain the line in Psalm 110 where it says, thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Yes.
Yeah, Melchizedek is a very interesting topic.
I mean, there's only, I think, three chapters in the Bible that talk about Melchizedek.
You have Genesis chapter 14.
You have Psalm 110, like you mentioned, and then you have Hebrews chapter 7, where Paul really goes out and he exegetes these two other chapters on Melchizedek.
And so, yeah, personally, I think some of the language that Paul uses for Melchizedek in Hebrews is just very hard to apply to a man, right?
It's certainly possible that Melchizedek is a prefiguring or a type of Christ, like Moses or Noah or Samson or so many other Old Testament figures are.
And Melchizedek was a Canaanite.
Yeah, so if Melchizedek was a man, a real historical figure, not a Christophany, then he was a Canaanite.
I mean, Salem, right, as in Canaan.
And he was a priest of the Most High God, priest of Yahweh.
And he was the king of Salem, which, you know, again, turns into Jerusalem.
So it is quite fascinating.
It is fat.
I love this stuff.
I'm learning so much.
I keep saying Christianity is the greatest of all the rabbit holes.
There's so much stuff to learn.
And a lot of it is on inference, isn't it?
Because there's so little information on people like Melchizedek.
So you've got to kind of go to alternative sources other than the Bible, maybe?
I mean, I generally like to stick to the scriptures for this kind of stuff, right?
I mean, there are alternative, I mean, probably the most popular alternative theory around Melchizedek is within the Talmud that he's actually Shem.
And I don't take that leaning personally because that entirely relies upon the Masoretic timeline, which if we compare it to the Septuagint is significantly shorter.
Missing about like almost 1500 years removed from the patriarchs which coincidentally, that shortened uh shortened, Masoretic timeline has Shem living past the flood.
So you know, in the Septuagent, all the patriarchs you know by this point are dead uh or, excuse me no, Shem was born past the flood right, but uh, he is still alive during the time of Abraham.
So that is not true in the Septuagent.
So it really depends on which uh, which one of these timelines uh, you know, you think is more accurate you take precedence for.
So you know certainly um, I have my opinions about the matter, but uh yeah, it is uh, I don't find the Shem one very credible uh, particularly since it entirely relies upon that Masoretic tradition.
I distracted you from telling me about Tyre.
So Tyre was the was the capital city of of, of Canaan Canaan, and where is?
Where is Tyre is?
I've heard of Tyre and Sidon presumably, that they're they're, they are twin cities or something.
Yeah, so I think it's in Lebanon, like modern-day Lebanon now, but uh yeah, so it's on the, the mid, you know uh, the Mediterranean coast there uh, I mean just no yeah, so they were a coastal people that I mean, that's the thing that are, they're the same as the Phoenicians.
Yeah, so all the ancient sources, they only talk about the Phoenicians for all these people, groups that are living in the same land area right yeah, so the the Canaanites, the Phoenicians, these are the same people.
I mean, they worship the same gods, they have the same religion.
Uh, they the same religious sacrifices or you know system that the scriptures talk about the Cana.
You know the Canaanites worshiping.
I mean, we see that for the Phoenicians.
So uh yeah, this is a, as far as like, biblical scholarship goes.
This is a pretty uh, I wouldn't say this is like a uh, you know, minority position.
Right, you can, you can see why God really wanted the um children of Israel to take these people out if they did all those horrible things.
Yeah, I know, you know this is one of the really common lines of attack against the scriptures and you know I understand it right, it's like an internal critique.
You're like okay well, you have an all-loving god, then why would he allow something you know like this to happen?
You know, if god good, then you know why bad things happen.
Yeah like, I understand that right uh, but the thing is, is that even the people making that criticism I mean, you know many of them are not pacifists.
Right, they think there is a, you know, a time period where violence is acceptable.
You know, you know, ask them if um, they think America or you know whatever nation, you know, the Uk uh, should have gotten involved in World War Ii.
You know it's many of these people making these same kind of criticism.
Yes, of course you know, we had to stop the Nazis.
Hitler was the worst guy that ever lived yeah okay, well then, apparently there is a time where violence is called for right, to stop.
You know, evil people um, and yeah, I mean, when we read the biblical accounts and the historical accounts of what these people were doing, I mean it is uh, I have a um, I believe it's Saturn Sabbath In The Cube, part one, where I go through so many of these historical references about the Phoenicians, and I mean it will, it's stomach churning, right.
And there are those who say, when we About what's really going on in the world and who runs the world.
One of the terms I've heard for one of the euphemisms I've heard for the people who run the world is the Phoenician navy.
Tell me about that.
Yeah, so I mean, this gets into some of the bloodline and you know, theories around that, which generally I think is, you know, it's interesting, right?
But, you know, like Saint Paul said, avoid genealogies and some of these fruitless and endless questions.
You know, I mean, you're there's a reason why some of this is not laid out for us in the scriptures, you know, it's because we just, it is interesting, and I think this stuff is important.
And certainly, genealogies play a major role in the scriptures, but they're not the primary focus of the scriptures.
Genealogies are primarily included in the scriptures to authenticate the Messiah, right?
That he is truly a son of Adam and a son of Abraham and a son of David, as so many of the Messianic prophecies foretold, right?
That he would be from the root of Jesse and the root of David.
So, in my opinion, I think that's the primary reason for a lot of these genealogies.
But essentially, I mean, at least for, I know a lot of these theories, not holistically, it's that the ancient Canaanites essentially stole the identity of the Jewish people, right?
And so now they're claiming to be the Judeans.
And I analyze this in the Saturn Sabbath in the Cube, right?
I mean, first of all, there was a lot of intermingling of the Israelites throughout the Old Testament.
I mean, the idea that ancient Israel was like this ethnic monolith is just, I mean, I understand why so many people think that.
But when you start really digging into the details and the genealogies of some of this stuff, what you realize is that, well, there are many Old Testament figures, I mean, perhaps no more important than David, right?
Who have all sorts of pagans within their lineage.
I mean, you just look at the lineage of Christ.
Rahab the harlot is a Canaanite and she is in the lineage of Christ.
She's one of the descendants of, or excuse me, David's one of her descendants, right?
And not only a Canaanite, but also a Moabite.
So these are two, you know, historic enemies of God.
And yet, both of these people, you know, repent, they forsake their pagan ways, and they graft themselves in to Israel.
So this has always been the case, frankly, you know, in the New Testament.
Obviously, Paul talks about this, but also in the old, you know.
And so there was a lot of racial intermingling between the Israelites and the ancient world.
And we have a lot of historical accounts, even, you know, I mean, I think it's Josephus, where he talks about the Eudamaeans or the Edomites.
You know, a lot of them were basically forced to convert to Judaism after the Maccabean revolt.
Oh, John Hiccanus.
Yes, yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of this racial intermingling, even under the old covenants.
And, you know, you look at the church fathers and none of them say what a lot of these theorists are talking about, right?
You know, that the, oh, the Jewish people aren't really the Jewish people anymore.
I mean, they all talk about them as still being, you know, the descendants, the children of Abraham.
I mean, you know, I know one of these verses that are often taken out of context, you know, John chapter 8, verse 44, where Jesus calls the Pharisees the son of the devil.
And so people take that a little bit too literally, right?
Well, also in that chapter, he says he acknowledges that they are the physical descendants of Abraham, but their spiritual father is the devil, right?
Because if Abraham was truly their spiritual father, then they wouldn't try to kill Jesus.
Yeah.
Where did you truly you are Eriditis, Scipio?
Tell me how you how you became interested in this stuff.
Oh man, I've just always been a major bookworm.
I just love reading, honestly.
It's just been one of my passions.
So I've always loved history.
I think in particular for Christian history and biblical history, I really got focused on that after high school.
So I just realized that I knew all this stuff about world history, the Civil War, World War II.
I could tell you dates of all these battles, and yet I knew very little.
I couldn't tell you the date when the Nicene Council or any of these other major events throughout Christian history.
And so that's really what made me start digging into so much of this.
And yeah, that kind of dovetailed around the same time when I started.
I left the military, started going down the rabbit hole, as it were.
And yeah, I think that's, well, now here we are.
Were you always a Christian?
Yeah, so I grew up in a Christian household.
And then, you know, there are certainly time periods in my life where I was less serious about it.
And I think, you know, I was more like a lot of Christians, right?
Where it's like nominal.
You know, I had not read through the whole Bible.
I attended church semi-regularly.
And so, you know, particularly after COVID, although even before then, you know, it was, you know, it's just very obvious how really late in the game we are in the West.
I mean, I never thought something like what we saw occur, you know, five years ago now, almost, or I guess, yeah, over five years, that I never thought something like that would happen, right?
And so that was a huge wake-up call for me.
You know, I've been going down the rabbit hole for a while, but honestly, that was a major, a major paradigm shift for me in a lot of ways.
Just like, oh, yeah, no, we are the West is, we're really bad off.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with you.
So you served in the military.
Were most of your comrades Christians, would you say?
Or so, I mean, I would say no, right?
I mean, I think I know the statistics are, you know, say the military is nominally Christian, right?
But, you know, for the most part, it's exactly that nominally, right?
Like if someone came up on to the street and asked you, hey, you know, are you Christian?
Do you believe in Jesus?
I think if you ask most soldiers that they would say yes, right.
But, you know, the reality is that being Christian is not just like making, you know, mental assent to a list of propositions, all right?
Being a Christian is a lifestyle.
And so ultimately, being a Christian is about relationship.
And so, you know, saying, right, you know, I can say I love my wife, but if I never come home and I never spend time with her and I never show her any affection, right?
Do I actually love my wife?
Am I actually in a relationship with my wife?
So, you know, I think the reality is that, you know, for a lot of people, you know, particularly in America, right, they would say they are Christian.
But when we really start getting down to brass tacks and we see like how the Bible describes a Christian and, you know, the fruit of that walk and of the Holy Spirit, well, you know, it's quite lacking.
Yeah, yeah.
I've been really looking forward to this conversation.
I mean, I'm really enjoying everything so far.
We're going to talk about Freud because that's how I came upon you and thought, this is a great topic for a podcast.
As you know, because I know you've listened to the occasional deling pod, one of my favorite things about being the rabbit hot down the rabbit hole is realizing that everything you were taught about the world is bollocks, and particularly the things that are impressed upon you when you're growing up, like dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs, we now know, are bollocks, but they're everywhere.
Winston Churchill, the hero, bollocks.
And Freud, Sigmund Freud, I mean, we all know when you're, okay, so there were sort of the basics of the world, what a man looks like, what a woman looks like, what a tree looks like, cat, dog, and stuff.
And so you get past that stage.
But as you're being formed intellectually, there are these figures that are presented to you, aren't there, as unquestionable greats, people who change the culture, who change history.
And it's implied they changed it for the better.
Definitely one of those landmark characters is Freud.
And I think I'm not the only person who had this experience.
Okay, I've always been told that Freud was great because he invented what discovered psychoanalysis, psychoanalysis, and obviously enable us to understand how our minds work and stuff.
And I never questioned this.
You were just told this stuff.
But I'm now thinking this was just another contract, wasn't it?
So tell me about Freud.
Why is he so big?
What's the thing about him?
Oh, man.
Yeah, that is, well, I think as you kind of alluded to in the lead up here, right?
So many of the historical figures that have been propped up, particularly within the last several hundred years, although not exclusively, so many of the titans of science, politics that we are held up, right?
These are amazing figures.
Titans.
You use the word Titans.
And Titans were basically the fallen angels, weren't they?
I certainly lean that way, yes.
Yeah.
Sorry, carry on.
No, yeah.
And so, you know, Freud is another one of these figures.
And he, yeah, where to begin, right?
So I think like so many other scientific figures in particular, Freud was absolutely propped up by, you know, the elites, the establishment, you know, I call them the regime, the novis ordo, whatever title you want to put on it, right?
So, you know, the powers that shouldn't be.
He was absolutely pushed by so many people in power.
I mean, Freud married into the Bernays family.
You know, Edward Bernays, obviously, the father of modern propaganda.
I mean, he was the nephew of Sigmund Freud.
So Freud, you know, his family wasn't particularly wealthy.
I mean, they were kind of middle class.
They had periods of destitution.
But by the time that Freud was, you know, had reached adolescence, I mean, his father was well off, right?
And so this is also during the 19th century where after so many of the Masonic revolts, the Jews are being allowed into European society.
They're being given citizenship.
And they're entering into politics and so many of these other fields.
And so this is a time period where, even if you're not particularly wealthy, as a Jew, there is a lot of upward mobility going on throughout Europe.
Just briefly, what had changed?
So are you saying that previously Jews had been excluded from politics and society and stuff?
Yeah, well, I mean, for most of European history, right, these nations were Christian nations.
So if you weren't a Christian and if you didn't profess these things, I mean, this is even true of like early America, too, right?
You know, if you weren't like a member of the church, then you couldn't be a member of a Christian government.
And, you know, that just kind of makes sense to me.
Right.
Not saying that, you know, people should be treated less than, you know, we still believe, and I still believe in equal treatment under the law.
And, you know, certainly we see that in the Old Testament, right?
You know, that everyone is to be treated equally, that there is no partiality for the rich or the poor or what have you.
And so, you know, speaking nothing of that, right, but purely, who should be allowed to govern in a Christian nation?
Well, Christians.
Well, after so many of the Masonic revolutions that deposed these Christian and Catholic monarchies across Europe, well, these are no longer Christian nations.
And so there's really no need to exclude non-Christians from government.
So the French Revolution, that kind of thing.
Was that when it all changed?
Yeah, well, the French Revolution was the first of this.
Yeah, Napoleon was one of the earliest Zionists, actually.
When he invaded Egypt, he sent out a personally, I think it was largely propaganda, right, to get people on his side.
But nonetheless, he said he painted himself as this messianic figure and that he was going to come.
He was intentionally trying to enter Jerusalem on the Passover in order to fulfill the prophecies of Zechariah.
I believe it's chapter 9.
But there are several prophecies in Zechariah about the Messiah.
And one of them, right, that he'll ride into Jerusalem on a pair of donkeys.
And so Napoleon was trying to, you know, basically trying to fulfill that and paint himself as the Messiah.
Now, that didn't work out for Napoleon.
And ultimately, a lot of the Middle Eastern Jews did not end up assisting his army.
But it was quite fascinating.
Yeah.
So Napoleon is really the first to open up so much of the government.
And for a long time, the Jews had been allowed to bank and things of this sort.
But that was really the only field of business that a lot of them were allowed to operate in.
And so, yeah, the 19th century is just a massive time period of change, not only for so many of these revolutions, but the social structure of Europe is changing in a very significant way.
And so Freud is really caught up in the middle of this.
And so he goes to Vienna in the 1870s, and he joins, he attends the University of Vienna, and he studies under some pretty major German psychoanalysts.
And so this is one of the things, too, about Freud, right, is that he's called the father of psychoanalysis.
Well, there were people who were in this field before Freud.
Now, certainly he is a, I mean, the luminary in the field.
I mean, he popularized it.
And, you know, not to discredit some of his innovations, you know, for better or for worse on the subject.
He did not invent some of these things, right?
And so, you know, we find this a lot in these major scientific figures.
Einstein is a great example, right?
Where it's like, oh, Einstein, this genius.
I mean, he plagiarized a bunch of stuff.
And so I think there's pretty good evidence that Freud did a lot of the same, just plagiarized people's work, put his own spin on it.
There is a just like this poem, I mean, almost 900 pages, Freud, the Making of Illusion by Frederick Kruse, exceptional book on this topic.
And he really just goes through meticulously Freud's life, his motivations, you know, his psychological motivations, right?
A psychoanalysis of Freud himself.
And it is quite fascinating.
Personally, I'm much more of the opinion that Freud was likely talent-scouted while he was in university.
Right?
I mean, you're just not marrying into wealthy elite families like this.
And he had a very long engagement.
It was a four-year engagement with his wife.
And again, you're just not marrying into these elite social circles without some kind of cachet.
So he was sort of talent-spotted by the powers that shouldn't be in the same way that, say, Henry Kissinger was talent-spotted when he was at university.
They wanted somebody intelligent and biddable.
Is that the idea?
That is the idea, yes.
And I, you know, again, not like, we don't have, you know, smoke and gun evidence for this, right?
But this is my, my supposition, because we've seen this track pattern, particularly in scientific minds, right?
So many times over the last two centuries.
And so, yeah, Freud, he is very plugged in to the Viennese and Jewish elite.
And it's going to play a very significant role when he first introduces his seduction theory.
So, you know, I don't know if you had any more questions about, you know, the, yeah, well, I, so, so you're saying he was allowed to marry into the elite.
Who did he marry?
So Martha Bernays.
Oh, I see.
Martha Bernays.
So who were the Bernays family?
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Oh, I see.
Martha Bernays.
So who were the Bernays family?
So the Bernays family, you know, again, a very well-known family in the Viennese elites and publishers, I believe.
And, yeah, so.
Jewish?
Well, the interesting.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, most of almost exclusively Freud's clients, his early clientele, were from the, you know, the Viennese Jewish elite.
And so, yeah, it's obviously career suicide when you start accusing the fathers of so many of these elites of doing the most horrific things to their children.
Ah, right.
I see.
So tell me more.
Yeah, so, well, before we get to 9, or excuse me, 1896, which is when Freud introduces the seduction theory, we need to go back a couple of years because Freud was studying in Paris under a very famous French doctor.
And so while he is in France, he is almost certainly exposed to clinical data, morgue appearances as well, right?
Of the, I mean, what can only be called child and ritual abuse, right?
I mean, at this point in France, there was a pretty significant scientific body of literature.
And so Freud, you know, before he starts psycho, you know, analyzing people, this is, you know, the understanding that he has, right?
He knows very well that child abuse is real, that it is often violent.
And so, you know, when some of his patients start talking about these same things and their upbringing, right?
Violent sexual encounters with family members, often, you know, parents, right, fathers.
Well, he knew that this was a reality.
And so he took his patients seriously.
And so in 1896, he introduces the seduction theory of hysteria.
And so the theory is that the primary cause for neuroses and I mean, hysteria is kind of like an antiquated clinical term for mental illnesses in general.
And so the primary cause, not the soul, but the primary cause of so many of these hysterias and these mental illnesses is childhood trauma.
And in particular, childhood sexual trauma.
And when he published this, he was immediately a professional and social pariah.
You know, one of the things about Freud that we don't have for a lot of other major historical figures is this dude loved to write.
And so there is, I mean, we really get to look into his mind.
We get to see how he felt during this time period.
And he was very distraught.
I mean, he had almost no friends.
He, you know, all of his colleagues had abandoned him.
I mean, he was receiving intense social and personal pressure and career pressure, obviously, as well.
And it is during this time period where he is basically on the outs with much of Viennese society that he is introduced to B'nai Brith.
Now, B'nai Brith is the Jewish only, you know, the Jewish-only Masonic sect, right?
And I get in a little bit of the history of B'nai Brith in my essay series entitled Sons of the Covenant.
But just to keep it briefly, you know, somewhat brief, you know, B'nai Brith is a very powerful, very powerful political outreach group and influence group.
If you ever heard of the Anti-Defamation League, which I assume most people listening to this podcast have, The full name of the Anti-Defamation League is the Anti-Defamation League of Beni Brith.
So without getting again too much in the history of why even that came to be, this is a very powerful, very influential organization, even still to this day.
And so Freud joins Beni Brith, and it is shortly afterwards that he and his own personal writings starts to doubt the confessions of so many of his patients.
And this is where he starts to reinterpret the statements of his patients, right?
And that these are not actual genuine memories, but that these are actually childhood fantasies.
And so this is really just, again, this is where he invents the Oedipus complex from the famous Greek fable.
Oedipus murders his father, sleeps with his mother.
And that's what this theory is named after.
And so this is how childhood trauma and the confessions of children who say, yes, my parents or this person did this thing.
Oh, well, you're just imagining.
This is just a fantasy.
This is all in your head.
This is where it all comes from.
Okay, so at what point does he get admitted to the Bernays family?
So he marries.
So his engagement to Martha Bernays is 1882 to 1886.
So they get married in 1886.
But again, they had a fairly long engagement.
Okay.
So when is his Paris period?
When is the period where he gets thrown into outer darkness for saying things that he shouldn't say?
Yeah, so it is basically 1896 through 1897.
And until he eventually discards the theory and says, right, you know, oh, actually, it's all in their head, you know.
And as I noted before, there's a lot of different reasons, right, that help to explain Freud's motivation for essentially covering up childhood abuse.
Obviously, the professional aspect.
I mean, he was an up-and-comer in this field.
I mean, he had the ear of so many of the elites of Vienna.
And the idea, again, that you're going to accuse the fathers of so many of your clients, your friends, of the most horrific crimes.
Yeah, obviously, we would understand, right, why someone would maybe want to change their mind on this when you have been, again, totally ostracized.
Now, the other thing, too, that I really point out in my essay is the history of Frankism and Sabbateanism within European Jewry.
And there are numerous Jewish scholars who have written on this subject, in particular, Gershim Sholem.
And he notes in it is the holiness of sin.
This is a January 1971 article from Commentary Magazine.
But he notes that the Sabbatean and Frankish movements, even though they had died out, they had not disappeared.
They had largely gone underground.
And for those unfamiliar with the Sabbatean Frankism, it is a mystical sect of Judaism.
And in particular, they believe that basically in holy transgressions, that through committing evil, that they can either heal the universe, right, like out of order, out of chaos, or that they will precipitate the come of the Messiah, right?
So it's like, hey, if we do enough bad stuff, then the Messiah will have to come and intervene, you know, to basically put a stop to it.
And so, you know, these cults die out, but as Gershom Sholem notes, they don't fully die out.
They just go underground.
And one of the things about Sabbathean Frankism is that it is, you know, it is very syncretistic.
And so you can adapt this ideology to many different religious systems.
And you could be a, you know, claim to be Christian and use Christian language, right?
And be referring secretly, though, to the, right?
To those in the know.
You're not talking about Christianity.
You're talking about Sabbateanism.
And so the elite of Vienna, in particular, is one of the areas where many of the former Frankists still lived.
And that this education, quote unquote, as Sholem puts it, which one of the, I mean, yeah, one of the horrific rites and rituals that the, you know, the Frankists performed was incest and intergenerational incest.
And so when Gershom Scholem is talking about families educating their children and Frankism, what he means is child abuse and child rape.
And so there is a, frankly, a staggering amount of evidence pointing toward the fact that the elites of Vienna were still engaged, indeed, in this horrific education, quote unquote, and that many of them were Freud's clientele.
So I believe not only that Freud discovered these things about child abuse, but that he had discovered modern ritual abuse.
And one of his earliest clients, Emma Eckstein, I mean, has some horrific recollections of her abuse.
Here's another example of that phenomenon we were talking about earlier on.
Vienna is often presented to us as kind of one of the high watermarks of civilization.
You're invited to, we have been invited to look at Vienna in the 19th century as, well, Strauss Waltz's and an incredibly sophisticated taste-making bourgeoisie.
It's supposed to be the sort of the high, yeah, high culture embodied in that period.
And you're telling me that actually underneath it's a kind of hotbed of child abuse and ritual abuse and just really sordid stuff.
Yeah, you know, the reality is that this is fairly common amongst the elites, right, throughout history, frankly.
You know, I traced a lot of these practices, you know, in various world religions throughout the last 2,000 years.
So unfortunately, human sacrifice is one of the oldest pagan rituals in human history.
And the idea that this is only for the, you know, that the ancient world, oh, these, you know, these silly pagans, I mean, this is just, it couldn't be further from the truth.
You know, and I mentioned Emma Eckstein earlier.
She is, by some accounts, Freud's first patient.
And there is a, you know, I'm pulling it up here.
There's just a shocking confession that she makes to Freud during one of her sessions, where, you know, and Freud notes that the sessions with a lot of his patients are reminiscent of the psychological kind of torment that the Inquisitors put some of their, you know, some of their subjects under, which is fascinating in its own right.
But he notes about M. M. Eckstein.
He says, imagine I obtained a scene.
Now, this is a, you know, Freud has his own terminology, right?
A scene is a memory.
So he's using scene during this time period.
Eventually it does become like he's referring to fake memories, right?
But during this time period, scenes to him are actual real memories.
And so he says, imagine I obtained a scene about the circumcision of a girl, cutting off of a piece of her organs, which to this day was still truncated, right?
So this isn't a fake memory that she had about suffering this horrific physical abuse that was still present on her body to this day.
And now the other thing to note about this is that it was, according to her, the devil who did this, forced her to eat some of the flesh, right?
And to eat blood.
And I know some of this, yeah, it's horrific stuff.
It's horrific stuff.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, I want to be explicit about this because when we look at the modern ritual abuse literature, this is almost exact details.
You know, you look at the McMartin preschool case or the Presidio preschool case or so many other famous ritual abuse cases, you know, the Trudeau affair.
I mean, it is this story is repeated ad nauseum.
I'm not familiar with any of those cases, but I'll take your word for it.
So this is a common feature.
Yeah.
And so sort of chopping off people's bits of people's anatomy and forcing them to eat it.
Yes.
The ritual ingestion of blood.
And I mean, again, this isn't new.
You know, in one of my earliest essays, Black Ops and Black Magic, part one, this is a very common feature of, you know, pagan and occult religions, right?
And so fundamentally, the occultist believes that by ingesting, you know, pieces of your victim's body, you empower themselves, yourself rather, with, you know, these spiritual energies.
I mean, I think a lot of this stuff is fooy, right?
But these people believe very seriously in it.
So whether you think it's ridiculous or not, they believe in it.
And so this is a very common feature of these, you know, these occult ritual abuse cases.
And so, you know, Jeffrey Masson, when he writes in the article, he basically leaves us two options, right?
That this is a fake memory or that this is a real memory, but Emma Eckstein is distorting it and she has to present it in this fantastical fashion to cope with it, essentially, right?
But the issue is that, again, these stories are very common of demons doing some of these things and rituals.
And now we know later on, as court cases will unveil, rather, that it's not literally demons, but people dressing up as demons or dressing up as animals, you know, another.
Or people being possessed by demons, surely.
I mean, and that too.
Yeah, obviously.
Yeah.
Obviously that.
But not only being possessed, but also like dressing up in effigy.
And so when you have someone who is suffering a traumatic experience, and very often in these ritual abuse cases, the victims are drugged.
I mean, you have a lot of it's very understandable how a victim could assume that it's literally a demon or a talking animal or something of this sort, and when it's actually just someone in costume, you know?
And so it doesn't remove the possibility, right, that this is, you know, as Masson says, is that she just, in the case of Eckstein, you know, she just imagined this was the devil because she couldn't imagine her father actually doing this.
Well, you know, there is another option here, doctor, you know, that I mentioned in my article, that this is an actual ritual abuse case and that she is remembering correctly that, you know, someone dressed up as a demon, perhaps, doing this, you know, these horrific things to her.
So.
Okay, so here's the bit I don't understand.
You say that you suspect Freud was headhunted, if you like, by the elites who were primarily Jewish in Vienna.
I mean, was there a sort of an intermingling?
Could you be a Sabatean Frankist if you weren't Jewish?
Yeah, I mean, again, ultimately it's a very syncretistic religion, right?
So you could be any religion and be a Sabbatean Francist, right?
They can adopt, I mean, this is one of the dangers of the system is that they can adopt and readily will adopt any other religion and as kind of like a cancer within it, use the language and the images and the symbology of that religion.
And yet we're talking about two totally different things, you know?
I suppose what I'm asking is Vienna in the 1880s, 90s?
Yeah, the 19th century.
Okay.
Was there a sort of, did the Jews keep themselves themselves or was there a lot of intermingling in high society between the kind of the princes and counts and stuff of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?
And do they keep themselves apart?
How did it work?
Yeah, I mean, generally, generally, they were kept apart.
There's this phenomenon called the court Jew, where European monarchs and rulers would have, essentially, like a private banker, which, you know, again, for most of European history, usury was outlawed for Christians to engage in or to perform.
And so, yeah, this is a very common phenomenon.
So certainly not, I wouldn't say like widespread intermingling, but there is, there's definitely a history for, you know, an intermingling between the elites of Europe and these Jewish elites, certainly.
And presumably, all the upper classes generally are practicing these child sexual rituals and stuff.
It's a kind of an elite pastime, yeah?
Yeah.
And, you know, I know for a lot of people, this is, you know, maybe not for people listening to this, you know, but like for normies, right?
This is so far outside of your realm of like what you even can consider as real.
But, you know, one of the things for me, at least, right, overall this topic of ritual abuse, first of all, if this is real, if this is actually happening, right?
If the stories of the survivors and the victims are true, then I struggle to think of an issue that is of more importance for us to get to the bottom of, right?
And to, you know, dismantle, frankly.
And I don't know what better evidence you could have for the reality of this phenomenon than Jeffrey Epstein.
You know, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was associates with, I mean, again, media, banking, government officials, Hollywood, I mean, you name it, the who's who, you know, science, right?
I mean, it's not even just the political, the entertainment realm.
I mean, it's basically every facet of culture, right?
Of the movers and shakers.
And these people, people knew, I mean, it was an open secret that he was engaging in this stuff.
And everyone knew what was going on on that island.
I mean, there's video footage of Trump, I think it's like in 2014 or 2015.
Actually, I believe it's 2015, right?
I was in the lead up to the 2016 election.
But he talked about, he said, everyone knows all the awful, I'm paraphrasing a little, but he said, everyone knows all the awful things that happens on that island.
Just ask Prince Andrew.
So before Epstein got arrested the second time, this is, again, people knew, right?
People knew what was going on.
So the idea, right?
And as I've done an analysis of the layout of Epstein's island itself, I mean, there is all sorts of occult and ritual symbolism on that island.
I mean, he has a temple.
I know the Epstein estate and other people vehemently deny that assertion.
They're like, oh, no, it's just a library or whatever.
Yeah, I mean, I analyzed all the different, you know, all the different symbology and the architecture of the building.
I mean, it's like, it's very obviously a religious structure of some sort.
I mean, it's festooned in pagan idols and symbols.
It's just, yeah, right.
So, you know, the reality is, is that no matter how hard it is for some of this to believe, you know, it's like the famous Sherlock Holmes quote: once you have removed all other possibilities, you know, what is left, no matter how fantastical it may seem, is the truth.
And so the reality is that, you know, we have seen time and time again, there's just a history of these cases.
You know, as I, you know, I'm still on part two of, you know, this essay series on Freud and the history of ritual abuse.
And so we're going to get into some of these other cases in later installments, but it's just, you know, there's just a serious track record of elites engaging in these kinds of activities, government cover-ups.
I mean, you name it.
You know, Epstein's not the first time this happened.
I mean, Epstein inherited a network.
Yeah, it's clear that it, because you can trace it back, for example, to the Hellfire Caves in the 18th century in Britain.
But it's got an essay on that, too.
It's tempting to assume, isn't it, that, yeah, this is a new phenomenon.
No, it's been with us since forever.
And you found another example in Freud.
So but I was striving to understand is: okay, so Freud gets selected for whatever reason as a guy who is going to become the figurehead who will advance their aims.
So he gets this marriage to the Bernese girl, and that sort of promotes him socially and he's got his backers.
But then he goes rogue slightly.
He goes off-piste and makes the mistake of effectively exposing the child sexual abuse, which is which is rife in their culture, but they would rather not.
So they're not very good at, either not very good at controlling him, or this in itself is a move before he changes.
What is their game plan?
Why are they selecting him?
What is his purpose?
Yeah, so I mean, I think ultimately why any of these people are promoted is that they serve an agenda.
And so the agenda of really so much of the last 200 years is to remove religion from the public square, right?
The Christian religion in the West, and to replace it with something else.
We are all fundamentally religious beings.
I know a modern Western society, we like to pretend, oh, no, this is all secular.
And I mean, the idea that all religions are of equal value is itself a religious belief and a religious claim.
So it's just contradictory, is what it is.
And so fundamentally, we cannot escape these things.
Every government is going to enforce what it believes are its moral and religious imperatives.
And, you know, the part of the attack on Christendom and part of the attack on the West has been removing Christianity, right, and replacing it with something else.
And largely what it's been replaced with is scientism.
And so, you know, I have nothing against science, right?
Love science.
It's a very useful tool, you know, the scientific method, inductive reasoning.
But science itself as a tool has limitations.
And so scientism is not like, hey, We think we should use science to come to conclusions.
I mean, most people are going to agree with that.
Scientism is a very specific, you know, ought claim, right?
Is that we ought to use science, that this is the ultimate or the supreme arbiter of truth.
That science, that is the scientific method, is how we come to all truth.
That presupposes all sorts of things, right?
Which cannot be justified even under their own system.
It's like, okay, well, if everything is physical and material, well, where does the where does where do I find the claim that I ought to use science as the determiner of truth in the physical world, right?
Like that proposition itself.
You're never going to find that.
And so these are fundamentally religious claims, you know, that science and by extension, materialism is the ultimate way that we ascertain truth.
And so Freud serves that agenda and he serves that purpose.
You know, I think there are numerous Freud scholars who have gone, you know, have analyzed this, right?
The really religious parallels between psychoanalysis, but not just the religious parallels.
I mean, there are very direct influences from Luriana Kabbalah.
Ah, that was, yes, I was hoping you were going to get to that thing.
So, because I don't know, you pronounce it Kabbalah rather than Kabbalah.
Kabbalah.
Is that the correct thing?
You can pronounce it both ways, yeah.
Okay.
But I don't know much about the Kabbalah, but I sense that it's pretty dodgy and that it probably goes back to the Babylonian mystery religions and it is essentially anti-God, which is why people like Madonna do it.
And I'm right that it's sort of related to the Babylonian mystery schools.
Yeah, so there's, you know, there's some scholarly disagreement and debate on this subject.
The Zohar is the, I mean, is the key Kabbalistic text.
And that doesn't appear until like the 1300s.
You know, it's a medieval text.
So some people say, hey, you know, this is a medieval tradition.
But frankly, and this is true of Rabbinic Judaism in general, is that much of their traditions are oral, right?
So just because it's not been written down, they believe, you know, that is the practitioners of Kabbalah, that this is actually an ancient tradition, that Moses taught this, right?
And that this was, you know, has been kept and carried on by the sages throughout history.
So I personally would lean, not that Moses taught this, but that this is a much older mystical strain and absolutely tied to the Babylonian mystery religions.
And, you know, it's eventually codified in the medieval era.
So I would say that it's a much older tradition, but obviously there is some debate on that subject.
And it's a form of ritual magic, which I suppose invokes the forces of darkness.
It invokes demons help you get more power, sex, whatever.
Yeah, so I mean, there's different schools, right?
There's different schools.
I mean, there is a lot of what we would call like magical rituals, right?
Like invocations of spirits, of demons, how to craft talismans, you know, how to create all kinds of potions and poultices.
I mean, it's like a black magic textbook, right?
So now that's not strictly, you know, the case for all schools of Kabbalah, but fundamentally, it's a philosophy and it's a belief system that the universe is fractured within their thinking, is that why we see all this disorder and all this chaos is due to the fracturing of the universe.
And so ultimately, it is becoming one with the universe again.
And that, you know, in particular for Lurianic Kabbalah, is that, you know, the dysfunction, as it were in the universe, is a sexual dysfunction in nature between the male and feminine aspects of the Godhead, which is a very common belief in mystical Judaism, right?
That the Shekinah glory is the feminine aspect of God.
And so sexual energy is how the cosmos is to be reunited.
And so the expression of sexual energy, right, is basically the ultimate goal and purpose of all individuals and all human beings.
Right.
So sex becomes not just a pleasurable activity to do with procreation, but actually you're healing the universe when you do it.
Yes.
Indeed.
Right.
Well, that's a very impressive gloss to put on the sexual act, isn't it?
I mean, it kind of gives you an excuse to have lots more sex.
Indeed.
And, you know, hey, like the Lord created sex.
I mean, before Adam and Eve ever fell, he said, be fruitful and multiply.
So God created these desires.
There's nothing wrong with these desires as long as they are properly governed within the marriage.
Yeah, I mean, sex is a great thing.
You know, I have two kids, right?
So I don't have anything against sex, but it needs to be in its proper place and its proper function.
Not with three-year-olds, though.
Yeah, exactly.
And not when you kill them afterwards and sacrifice them.
This is, yeah.
No, I don't.
With animals or with the rest of it, I mean, there's absolutely no, I mean, there's no like holds barred on some of this stuff, you know?
So, yeah.
So, okay.
So the Kabbalah, Kabbalah, it presumably promotes the sort of the more deviant aspects of sex.
Well, in particular, Lurianic Kabbalah.
So Rabbi Luria was the person who invented this.
And he really, I mean, there was already some of this, you know, the sexual framing in Kabbalah.
So it's not like he totally, you know, pulled this stuff out of the ether, right?
You know, he's just building upon some of the building blocks that are already there and bringing it, frankly, to its logical conclusion, at least in my estimation, right?
It's like, okay, well, if, you know, fundamentally the dysfunction in the universe is between the male and female Godhead, right?
Then, you know, or aspects of the Godhead, right?
Then how would you, you know, how would you fix that?
How would you heal that?
You know, and so there is, again, a great deal of scholarly work that's been done on this subject that Freud, I mean, not only was his father a Hasidic Jew and the Hasids were born, you know, in many ways they're a continuation of the same mystical tradition of the Frankis and the Sabbateans.
And I'm not accusing Hasids of performing all the same things, but the mystical tradition of Kabbalah is like one of the foundational beliefs for Hasidism.
So Freud grew up in this milieu, and he would later apostatize from the faith, but he honestly has a very conflicted, you know, still a very conflicted emotions about Judaism.
You know, he still considers himself a Jew.
You know, I mean, his father gave him for his, I believe it was Freud's 36th birthday, he gave him a, you know, a signed copy that he had signed for his son of the Torah.
So join the benefit breath, unless you're quite keen on being Jewish.
Well, and that's one of the other interesting things, too.
I'm glad you mentioned that, right?
Is that in general for Masonry?
You are not allowed to join the Lodge if you're an atheist, right?
You have to believe in some sort of God in order to join the Lodge.
Now, I believe it was in, so originally for European Freemasonry and specifically the United Grand Lodge of England.
So, when they founded in 1717, you still had to be a Christian to join the Lodge, even though I don't think you can be a Christian of Freemason, frankly, but you had to at least say you were a Christian to be able to join the Lodge.
But that was removed in 1726.
So, for the past 300 years almost, you just have to believe in some sort of generic deity.
So, yeah, I think that's quite interesting since Freud is often painted as one of the, you know, and certainly, you know, wrote his fair share of criticisms and screeds, I would say, you know, against God and the idea of religion in general.
But, you know, when we really look at Freud's life, is that he was a deeply religious man in a lot of ways.
He may not have believed in God, but he still, and in particular for Kabbalah, right, had such an impact on him and on his work.
And so let me look up the book here.
There's several good books on this subject.
So The Hidden Freud, His Hasidic Roots by Dr. Joseph H. Burke.
That is the latest book on it, I believe, or the most recent book.
And so he goes into this.
I mean, Freud had Kabbalistic texts in his library.
He's very familiar with this.
Beyond growing up in this sort of cultural milieu, I mean, even as an adult, he was still very engaged in this world.
And so, you know, it's not just like me, right?
Conspiracy theorists.
I mean, this is like serious academic works and Freud scholars who have looked at his life and like, yeah, it's very clear.
You know, when you analyze Lurianic Kabbalah and you analyze psychoanalysis, I mean, he just basically changed the terminology for a lot of this.
So can you give me some examples?
Yeah, so, you know, one of the sure.
So one of the things that is constantly spoken about from his first patients is that psychoanalysis felt like a religion.
And that in many ways, it was a parallel of the confession booth.
And that, you know, you are confessing your darkest, you know, desires, your most painful memories, you know, to the psychoanalyst who in this place is the priest.
And there's a very similar kind of system and, you know, in Kabbalah as well.
So, I mean, that's one of the most immediate parallels is that of confession.
And, you know, I think this is why psychoanalysis has been so seductive.
And so, you know, beyond the fact that it's been pushed, you know, incessantly throughout the media and by so many of these powerful organizations, you know, the Rockefellers and what have you, but even beyond that fact, right?
There is, there's a seed of truth there.
You know, I mean, confession is, I mean, we're constantly called throughout the New Testament to confess, right?
To confess our sins before our brothers and our sisters, right?
So it's, I mean, it's a kind of, it's a pagan simulacrum of confession.
Yes.
I'm with you.
Because do you know what?
Before we started this, I was just going through it in my head about how our conversation might go.
And I was thinking about the time I went to a psychoanalyst.
And I kind of, even when I was having these sessions, I was thinking, why am I doing this?
And I often ended up going back mainly because for her sake, for the psychoanalyst, I felt guilty about pulling out, like I was letting it down or something.
Essentially, you're sitting there indulging the luxury of talking about yourself and paying somebody for the privilege of being able to talk about yourself for an hour.
And then at the end, you're kind of absolved of your problems for the week.
But the question in my mind was, what do psychoanalysts do for money that you couldn't get for free off any good priest?
Yeah, I mean, you've kind of be a hard press to answer that question, honestly.
You know, the other big aspect of this, too, when we analyze the history of Freud, right, is that it's just, it's honestly very questionable what impact or affect, you know, the divulging of these painful secrets constantly, whether that actually brings healing to these traumas and these other things.
So, you know, one of the issues with the field of psychology in general is that it's just inherently pseudoscientific because you cannot reproduce so many of the findings, right?
I mean, this is a very well-known, a very well-known issue in the social sciences, the problem of reproducing these major sociological studies.
So, I mean, if you can't falsify some of these things, which a vast majority of Freud's system is entirely unfalsifiable because you're analyzing the interior motivations of another human, you know, I mean, that's just, I can't put your emotions under a microscope.
I can't put your memories under a microscope, right?
So, like, at a certain level, this is, it cannot be real science.
And it's honestly very questionable, like what benefit or what use psychoanalysis has had.
Yes.
But I want to move on in a moment, but I'm just thinking about this because that in itself would be a major achievement for the dark forces, secularizing the confession.
Because even though I'm Church of England and we don't do confession, and there are those who say, ah, the Catholics, the reason they gained their power is they gave this power to the priest who had all the secrets.
So I get that.
But at the same time, I've been reading a book, an Orthodox book recently.
And I'm kind of turning towards the view that confession is actually really important, that it's an important part of being a Christian, that you need to acknowledge your sins and expiate them.
You need to apologize for them and commit to not doing them again.
So confession is a really, really, if you believe in this God stuff, which I do and you do, and I think most of the listeners do, this isn't just a kind of a handy thing that some people do.
It's really important.
So for Freud to capture that, to take that away from Christian culture would be a major achievement for the Forces of Darkness.
Yeah, and I think the other thing too, right, is that very often, you know, that repentance and that confession comes during the Eucharist, you know, during the taking of the Lord's Supper.
And so it's not only, you know, it's not only removing this aspect, right?
But it's like, you know, one of the most intimate experiences we're going to have, you know, with the Lord, right?
I mean, this is totally robbed of people.
And, you know, before I ever imbibe, you know, before I ever take, you know, the Lord's Supper, right?
I mean, we're told to analyze ourselves.
We're told to judge ourselves so that the Lord does not have to judge us.
I mean, yeah, like you said, right?
I mean, this is not just something that you can do or not do, you know, up to your taste.
But There's a great in the Book of Common Prayer, there's a great sort of before you take communion, you know, we do not presume to come to this table.
I can't remember how it goes exactly.
I must learn it sometime.
But it makes it clear that you've got to be prepared before you take the communion.
And then something happens, something magical, and you come away feeling like...
And if you're contracting out that process using money, which is in itself a questionable thing, you're paying somebody to absolve you of your sins as a secular person.
just by listening to you, but you haven't gone through that process of, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, no, I think it's so important, you know, because, I mean, this is truly how we analyze ourselves and how we realize, you know, am I in accordance with the word, right?
Am I, you know, obviously none of us are going to be able to live up to that perfect standard.
And so that's why we constantly have to be analyzing ourselves, you know?
Here's another thing, Scipio Eriditis.
The word that I most this is all coming back to me now.
I'm getting these flashbacks.
The word that therapists use that I hate most of all, and I've always wondered why, and now I understand it totally with absolute clarity, is inappropriate.
Inappropriate is a kind of, is a word divorced from a Christian moral code.
It implies that morality is this kind of shifting thing.
It is not, it is, when you're a Christian, you know what the rules are.
And there are rules.
And it's not about appropriate or inappropriate.
Appropriate is a weasel word.
It's a kind of word that it's a sort of post-Freud word.
So I think we're sort of coming around to understanding why he's so dangerous.
Well, as you mentioned, right, like there's this presupposition that's just smuggled in by the secular realm.
It's like, okay, inappropriate according to what standard?
You know, it's like by even saying something's appropriate or inappropriate, you are presupposing some sort of standard, right?
The very same people who will claim, you know, there is no such thing as objective morality, that this is all like cultural preferences.
Okay, well, I mean, by that standard, right, then the cultural preferences of the Carthaginians are totally fine.
There's no moral standard that you can say these people were evil, these people were bad.
I mean, you have the same standard that they're going to, you know, that they're going to apply.
I mean, so many of these people, right?
You can't even say slavery was bad a couple hundred years ago, let alone a couple thousand years ago, you know, human sacrifice.
Well, you could argue, using Carthaginian values, that it is inappropriate behavior to shed a tear when your child is being sacrificed, being chucked into the fire.
Indeed, that's where we end up with words like appropriate.
It's a godless word.
So anyway, I think we've sort of dealt with that at that point.
Are there any other areas where the Kabbalah Kabbalah infects Freud's writings and teachings and influence?
Yeah, I mean, most prominently, right?
It's the fixation on sex kind of being the end-all-be-all of the human experience.
And that, you know, what Freud eventually ends up on is that all human psychoses and neuroses, although, you know, not, you know, exclusively, but for the most part, are because of repressed sexual desires.
And so, you know, even though Freud himself still, right?
I mean, he was married, although he had some, Very likely had homosexual lovers and had some kind of weird thing with his sister-in-law where they all lived in the same house together.
I mean, he was kind of some weird things going on himself, but even he was not willing to go all the way, right?
And to totally destroy the family unit, which is, I mean, the logical endpoint of some of this stuff, right?
I mean, the idea of being, you know, chained to one person, you know, till death do you part.
This is a bourgeoisie morality.
Now we need to get rid of all this stuff.
You know, people are sexual beings.
They should be able to freely express their sexuality.
And so first that's applied to adults.
And now, as we're seeing ever more in our public school system, well, it's children as well.
Yeah, so you talked about sex and about how everything is about sex.
All right.
So yeah.
No, I think the largest impact that Kabbalah has had on Freud's work is the fixation on sex, right?
That this is the primary focus of all human life.
And that, you know, fundamentally, as Freud would later end up positing, is that the vast majority of mental disorders and hysteria, neuroses, that this comes from unfulfilled sexual desires.
And so, you know, Freud had some kind of weird, you know, some kind of weird sexual stuff going on in his own life.
But even he was not willing to go so far as to, you know, to implement some of this psychology and some of his theories into law and into civilization.
And so, you know, his students, his peers, his intellectual progeny, as it were, some of them were not so circumspect, right?
And I think ultimately the influence that many of Freud's teachings have had on society have just been disastrous.
Because I was asking you at the beginning, what impact did Freud have?
Why is he such a big thing?
How did he change our culture?
And I think you've put your finger on it there.
it's even bigger than the, the secularizing of the confessional.
Um, I imagined before, what did he have a, I hate to use the word seminal.
But did he was there a was there a particular book that he was famous for?
I mean, before the seduction theory, not in particular.
No, there wasn't a big bumper book of Freud's theories that came out and everyone went, wow.
No.
I mean, later on in his career, certainly, I mean, the introduction to psychoanalysis is probably one of the seminal texts on the work.
Okay.
But yeah, I was thinking about this.
That you and I, everyone watching this podcast, lives in the culture where it is just taken as a given that sex is incredibly important.
We've got that Bonnie Blue, is it having sex with a thousand men?
And we've got statues.
You've got Cosmo.
There's a junior version of Cosmo talking about...
Oh.
There's a...
There's a junior version of Cosmopolitan, which tells you how to have anal sex.
Junior, Cosmo.
And I mean, sex is everywhere.
I have to kind of look away when I'm watching TV programs and dramas and things.
They always shove.
There's a new version of Robin Hood.
And there's this.
I mean, I'm sure it's aimed at young adults mainly, or sort of even older children.
And there's this scene where one of the sheriff of Nottingham's daughters or somebody's or some Earl of Huntington's daughter is being kind of rogered against the wall by somebody.
You're thinking, how is this necessary?
Why do we need to see this stuff?
Can sex not stay in the bedroom between consent.
Why do we have to have this stuff?
But sex is everywhere.
And was it Freud who was responsible for this?
Without a doubt, right?
I mean, we are living in Freud's world.
This is the end result of so much of his system.
And, you know, his later students, like Wilhelm Reich, I mean, you know, mission accomplished, right?
You have unleashed the sexual energies, quote unquote, of the masses.
I mean, it is easier than ever before to access these kinds of things.
I mean, yeah, I mean, even for young children.
And yet, the utopia that these people promised, right?
All of our problems would be solved.
You know, this would be, this is the next evolution, the next step in human civilization.
Well, I mean, we get to see the fruits of this, right?
We get to see the fruits.
And, you know, you mentioned this young woman, you know, Bonnie Blue or whatever, you know, who had literally had sex with a thousand men in one day.
And you see her afterwards, and she's like breaking down.
I mean, she has a panic attack, right?
This is, I mean, that was a traumatic experience, frankly.
Do you think it actually did happen?
I wonder about these things.
Do you think she really did?
I mean, I haven't done the math on that, right?
No.
No, I just, I don't know.
A thousand might not be the actual number.
Very, very small.
And I don't know.
I sometimes, given that everything one reads in the newspaper and sees in the news is a lie.
It's a fabrication.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was.
But that's, by the by.
Let's see.
You're probably right, honestly.
I'm going to have to go and do the math later.
But yeah, I don't know.
It is horrible.
It's a little bit of a thousand divided by 24 or whatever.
I can't tell you.
When I was a younger man and I had lovely long hair and I was prettier than I am now.
And I probably did look quite girly.
The number of men, of gay men, who tried to persuade me that I really ought to have sex with them and that by not doing so, I was just being kind of repressed and I was in denial of my...
Yeah.
I remember one particular evening where I went out with this...
I was writing about the emergent rave scene and I was really ahead of the game here.
And I went out with a photographer and I had a fun evening drinking and stuff.
And then he started coming on to me and he said something like, you know, James, in your soul, you know what it is, who you are and what it is.
And he was trying to kind of amateur psychoanalyze me into having sex with him.
And I'm so glad I didn't allow myself.
I didn't want to have sex with this man.
I did actually prefer girls by this stage of my life.
But you can see how pervasive it is.
This idea that not to have sex means you're repressed, which is bad.
Therefore, you should have sex.
You should do it.
Whereas you could not get more unscriptural than that, could you?
The scriptures do not say, thou shalt.
Well, I mean, they do say, God does say, go, go forth and multiply, but I'm not, I'm not husband and wife.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Did people marry in, in, in the original, you know, in Genesis?
I don't know.
Well, that's the example that Jesus cites to the Pharisees, right?
When they try and trick him with the question of, you know, oh, this woman married seven husbands, you know, who's she going to be married to in the escaton?
He says, have you not heard from the beginning, right?
They were made, male and female.
And so Jesus actually goes back to Genesis chapter three, right?
And he uses that as his foundation for monogamy and for marriage.
I think we can agree that Freud led us to Bonnie Blue and to all those.
oh, what's that awful last tango in Paris?
Who's the girl in that was, I think, had a really rough time when she was making that film and all the sex scenes that one has to watch that one doesn't want to watch in the course of watching a TV drama and all the kind of broken marriages and all the pressure that...
I'm trying to write a book about this at the moment.
Well, I am writing a book about it.
I'm just taking my time writing it.
I know how that is.
Yeah.
About growing up in a godless culture.
And there are all these cultural assumptions which are givens, but you don't recognize them as being anything other than normal.
One of them is I'm really being weird if I don't have an affair, if I don't have sex with another woman, because you see it all the time in the movies.
So I sort of, before I sort of understood what was going on, I almost felt like a second-rate man for not having gone off and had an affair.
Do you know what I mean?
these sort of cultural pressures and it and it sort of makes sense now now you've now you've sort of explained that we i mean we haven't we haven't illustrated it properly I think people should read your essay, among other things.
And we could go into more detail, but I think you've sketched out something there, something interesting, that the Kabbalah, Kabbalah influenced Freud very heavily, and that that was part of the plan.
That was why he was headhunted to achieve this, and he was promoted to achieve this role.
Yeah?
I mean, that's certainly my opinion of it.
You know, I think ultimately, ultimately, we've seen the fruits of this ideology.
You don't even need to be Christian to see what the damage that has been done to Western society by so many of these, you know, so many of these theories and so many of these systems.
It is, I mean, there's plenty of government, I mean, government studies, right?
You know, American government studies on the risk that children face outside of a married household.
It's sickly, like darkly ironic that one of the major pushes for the freeing of childhood sexuality and the destruction of the family and the loosing of so many of these civilizational bedrocks was to protect children and to get them away from daddy, who's a mean tyrant or repressing their sexual desires.
Funnily enough, some of that's actually true, right?
Is that those children who grow up in a household with two parents or married parents, they are significantly less likely to engage in all sorts of dangerous sexual activities.
I mean, what we've seen after the destruction of the family, and this is one of the main themes I've been really hammering on throughout this series, is that it's not just like the family in general, right?
But it's fathers in particular.
They wanted to get fathers out of the household because fathers are the greatest protector, unsurprisingly, of their children.
So once you get him out of the way, it's free game.
Is Freud responsible for that as well?
Freud, in a certain sense, yes, right?
In a certain sense, he is responsible since he created so many of these theories.
Now, he was very against some of that personally.
And Wilhelm Reich, one of his erstwhile students, this is one of the charges that he continually lays against Freud, is that he was still a believer in this patriarchal tyranny.
And so Freud was a traitor to psychoanalysis, and he was a traitor to his own conclusions.
Because if you believe that all these disorders are caused by repressed sexuality, well, then the obvious conclusion, according to that logic, is to unchain sexuality.
Yes.
Yes.
I think some of the cultural Marxists were into this free love stuff, weren't they?
Reich was a Marxist, yes.
Ah, yes.
I keep thinking Wilhelm Reich was a, was a kind of a German, um, DJ, um, uh, like, like Ulrich Schnauss, but, but so, um, yeah.
Yeah, have we got time to talk about Reich?
I mean, he just.
So Freud passed the battle on to Reich, who took kind of the baton himself, or excuse me, Reich kind of took the baton himself.
So Reich and Freud split in reaction to Reich's theories on basically free love and free sex, right?
And in particular, attacks on the family.
And in Reich's, you know, he wrote the book, The Sexual Revolution, in 1945.
And the main theses, the main gist of his argument, right, is that fathers are the perpetuators of capitalist tyranny and authoritarianism.
And so this is why we need to get rid of fathers.
Was Reich by any chance of the Jewish persuasion as well?
I believe he was.
Yeah, I'm not a, I can't think.
I forget off the top of my head.
I'm pretty sure he was.
Take a while, while guess.
Was Jung a goodie or a baddie?
Say it again.
Was Jung a goodie or a baddie?
Jung?
Baddie, obviously.
Now, Young, I mean, Carl Young came from a family of very powerful Freemasons.
Now, I think he's...
Oh, well, he must be a good...
Well, I come from a family of powerful Freemasons.
Yeah.
I'm assuming, like, psychoanalysis.
What is it?
What is it actually?
Come back to the question.
What can you get from a psychoanalyst you could not get from a good priest?
Yeah, I mean, this is nothing, right?
Nothing is the answer, you know.
And this is part of the secularization of culture, right?
Is that what we find the more and more enlightened we become is that the more and more superstitious we become, actually.
And we thought that we were evolved past some of these things, and we don't need confession, and we don't need religion, or we don't need belief, or any of this other stuff.
But what we found is that someone's there is that hole, right?
That God-shaped hole that we all have that someone's going to fill.
And that if it's not, you know, Christianity, then this could be something else.
Yeah, I mean, I know I'm kind of preaching to the choir here, but in my readings and my experience of kind of journeying through Christianity and trying to get things right and stuff, I really get the impression that a lot of one's problems emerge when one is not in accordance with God's will.
That's kind of the more you move away from God, the more your troubles pile up.
Whereas when you try and cleave to a godly path.
I mean, this is why I get, okay, I'm biased.
I read the Psalms every day.
I recite the Psalms every day.
But the Psalms really reinforce that message.
Particularly.
Psalm 119.
If you read, I've only learned the first five sections of it, but just recite those to yourself every day and you think, well, better cleave to a godly path.
Otherwise, you're in trouble.
But it seems to actually work.
It doesn't seem to be some sort of mystical mumbo-jumbo.
I do generally find this.
Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things that, you know, I consider one of the strongest proofs for Christianity, honestly, is that it makes claims about the world and they're true and they're accurate, right?
And so what we've seen in the West, the farther and farther we have been removed from Christ and from his word, is that it continues to prove itself true.
I mean, we are living Romans 1 right now.
We have been given over to our evil desires to do things that are unprofitable for us, right?
That are not for our own good.
And so ultimately, these restrictions that people think are archaic or fuddy-duddy or what have you.
I mean, these are for our own benefit.
These are for our own good.
God created these things because he loves us and he gave us these instructions of what to do and what not to do, right?
So that we can live this out.
It's not just because, you know, not just because God's some kind of mean tyrant, right?
He does these things because he loves for us.
He loves us and he knows if we engage in these kinds of activities that we will only bring destruction and ruin upon ourselves.
And so, I mean, I don't know how much more obvious that could be, you know, obviously to people of faith, but even to the secular, you know, the secularists in the crowd here, right?
I mean, by any objective analysis of the state of West and sexuality in the West, I mean, depression at an all-time high, more sexual assaults.
Despite psychoanalysis.
Yeah.
More sexual assaults per capita before all this happened.
I mean, less marriage.
People are getting, you know, having less children.
They're much more unsatisfied.
I mean, the primary focus for a lot of divorce, right?
You know, one of the major reasons why women get divorced from their husbands that they bring up is because of their addiction to pornography.
So, I mean, this has a huge impact, you know, not just on herself, right?
The demons.
Yeah, go ahead.
They love pornography.
The demons that are masturbation because I think they can feed.
I mean, here's where I think that the Kabbalah is onto something.
That succubi and incubi, that they do take advantage of that.
I mean, I think the sort of Victorian sort of obsession with masturbation and the evils thereof is a bit overdone.
But nevertheless, I do think that actually when you have a wank, the demons do move in.
Yeah.
I mean, just look at what the modern man does, right?
Because he solaces himself on a daily basic basis, basically.
I mean, honestly, so much of the decrepit state of the West, you can lay directly at the feet of pornography.
I mean, the impact that it has on your mind is extremely negative, you know, beyond the addictive nature of it.
I mean, it's like it is akin to cocaine.
It reduces your IQ.
It reduces your long-term memory.
There are serious psychological impacts and effects of, you know, imbibing in this kind of stuff.
You know so.
And it's free.
Who's who's providing it?
This, this free pornography indeed yeah um yeah, just briefly, have you, have you?
They were more of a sort of an English thing than American thing.
Have you seen what happened to sort of the the, the Freud family um, so you've got.
I guess you had Edward Beneath, who's who's, who's the great nephew who invented what modern propaganda?
Pretty much didn't he um uh, or public relations, same same thing, um.
But then we had we, we had um Clement Freud, who was a liberal uh, member of parliament and a kind of sort of.
He appeared on the, on advert for a for a brand of dog food called Pedigree CHUM, but he was, he was influential, he was, had his place in the in, in in the establishment.
And then we had Lucian Freud.
Lucian Freud is a, was a very good raw, visceral painter.
I mean, check out his, his art.
But he was, he was obviously, it was a darling of the establishment and he was heavily, heavily promoted.
And I mean he um, he was one of the one of the the most successful British painters of his generation, but he was famous for his sexual profligacy.
I mean, he had loads and loads of muses, as it were.
These, these young, younger women who, who threw themselves at, had lots and lots of children, and I mean in in the.
The days before I became a awake and be a Christian, I sort of thought oh, i'd love to be Lucian Freud, because you get to shag all these pretty girls and and you, you get, you're an artist, so you could, so you have no moral code that you have to obey and and you, you sell your pictures for absolute gazillions.
I mean, he probably had a in in, in.
In secular terms, he had a great life um, I don't know what he's doing now in the afterlife.
I do I, I don't know, I don't know how God's, god's judging, judging him um, but it seems to me that the the, the god of this world Satan, does seem to favor particular bloodlines.
And the the the, the Freud family, have become this this they've, they've been given earthly glory um, and it seems to me that this, this is sort of evidence that if you nail your colors to the mask of the, of the forces of darkness, you do get some pretty good shit happen to you in in earthy terms.
Yeah, I mean, you know we're all we're also only seeing, you know, the glitz and the glamour right, you know we don't ever see the uh, the negative sides and the aspects to it, the negative sides of having lots and lots of young women throw themselves at you and and having in living in a mansion And to doing what you like.
Yeah, I mean, I know what you mean.
No, but like, honestly, right?
You know, everyone thinks they want to do that, but in order to do that, you basically have to cut off a side of yourself and sear a part of your conscience, you know?
So there's a real psychological toll to this kind of stuff.
And, you know, beyond the physical, you know, beyond the physical dangers of engaging in those kinds of risky or promiscuous activities.
You know, but certainly, right?
Like, this is one of the things I, you know, I talk about in Black Ops and Black Magic, and, you know, in general, about witchcraft.
Like, there is some truth there.
There is some energy there.
There's some power there.
I mean, if there was nothing there, you know, it would not be tempting.
And so.
I'm going to interrupt you there because I'm thinking, like, it's time for me to have a cup of tea.
We've gone on behalf of my hour and 30-minute cutoff.
And I'm just getting weary.
And I'm not saying I get clumsy in my expression.
Yeah, no worries.
But I'm thinking, next time we do a podcast, because obviously you know loads of stuff, but what should we, what should we, we should talk more about Romans, maybe.
Do you think?
Maybe find out more about the Carthaginians, whether there were any, I mean, was Hannibal a good thing or a bad thing?
I mean, certainly he was a skilled general.
I mean, he engaged in human sacrifice as well.
So, I mean, that was.
Yeah, that is me and Hannibal over.
Is the friendship with Hannibal cancelled?
No, no.
I thought elephants, I like elephants.
They never forget.
And they kill you.
And they cross the Alps.
So we can do Hannibal, maybe.
A bit more Hannibal.
We can do some Romans.
Do you speak Latin, by the way?
So I took Latin in college and in high school.
It's been a long time.
I know a little bit of Latin, but not really.
Okay.
I pronounced a Kaisar correctly.
So I know enough of Latin to do that.
Kaiser, add some yam for tea.
No, but yeah, I mean, I'd love to do it again.
So, how does it go?
Kaiser adds some yam for tea, Pompey ada rat, Kaiser sik in omnibus, Pompe sikinat.
So we can talk about that.
We can talk about the, I mean, you know, you know about the occult.
We can talk about that.
Yeah, I mean, I have hundreds of essays at this point.
Yeah, one of my longest-running series is Mystery Babylon, analyzing the occult, and then obviously the role that Freemasonry is one of the preeminent occult groups and secret societies in history.
So, yeah, done a lot of work on Freemasonry.
Freemasonry and Freemasonry Tea.
That's brilliant.
But it would give me a second win, but I'm not going to take that opportunity.
No, no, no.
I think we're going to be able to do it.
We've got loads more to talk about.
In the meantime, for people who want to follow your stuff, Scipio, Eriditus.
Oh, and you can tell me about your...
If you won't talk about it next, I'm going to talk about your military.
Was it fun?
Was it horrible?
The most fun I never want to have again.
Did you see the elephant?
No elephants, no, but I did get to travel to some of the places that Alexander the Great traveled.
That's cool.
Yeah, we've got a lot to talk about.
So tell us where we can read your stuff.
It's been great.
Thank you.
Thank you for a great show, by the way.
Oh, man.
Thank you.
No, I'm really glad we could have this conversation that we connected.
So yeah, I've been following your work for some years.
A big fan of your work as well.
So for those who, yeah, liked what you heard, if you want to hear a little bit more, you can catch my work at dfreality.substack.com.
I do podcasts.
I do video lectures, right?
I got several lectures on the Trinity and the Old Testament, you know, debunking dispensationalism.
Man, I mean, history, parapolitics, alternative science, you know, theology, right?
I mean, just a variety of different subjects.
So yeah, we're on Spotify, iTunes, all your major podcast platforms.
I'm on YouTube.
Yeah, just look up dispatches from reality.
I just released my third book, actually, The Empire of Lies, all about the history of America, its occult origins, the Trump era.
So yeah, tons of content for those new to my work for you guys to explore.
So yeah, thanks for having me once again, James.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
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You are very special, every one of you.
But I'm afraid that the specialist ones are the ones who give me money because they support me and I can live.
So think about becoming one of those very special people.
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He's divided by this huge ocean.
And he'd probably get arrested by our Nazi immigration people if he tried coming over.
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So think about coming.
It's on, I think, December the 8th, I think, like enough time away from Christmas.
And we'll probably sing Christmas carols.
And will we?
Actually, we might sing Advent carols in the church service the next day.
