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Welcome back to the Dellingpod, John Hamer.
We've had a disastrous track record of the sound has always been rubbish, hasn't it?
There's always been interference.
And it's because your computer doesn't like the software the platform that I normally use.
So we're trying it on Zoom today.
God, this is boring.
I'm sorry about this, everyone.
I hate talking about technical things, but it was just, it did slightly rankle.
We've never had a clear, have we?
No, we've always had technical problems.
I don't know whether it's me on my computer or what, but it's you, John.
Or it hates you for not believing in him.
That's never going to go down well.
So I was thinking, actually, about the development of our relationship or whatever.
Inasmuch as when I first had you on, I don't know how long it was, maybe two, two, three years ago.
A couple of years ago, yeah.
Now, I thought this guy, John Hamer, he's pretty out there in his...
I mean, because I remember you telling me about Winston Churchill.
And you explained to me something that I didn't, I hadn't been aware of.
Winston Churchill was a hero of mine.
I had been, like most Englishmen, I've been brought up to believe that Churchill was probably the greatest of the lot of us.
And we had that series on the BBC, didn't we?
where different presenters, different celebrity presenters championed their greatest Britain.
And some people went for Nelson and somebody else did Churchill and somebody else did Isenbard Kingdom now.
And I thought, well, this is going to be a shoe-in for Churchill because he won the war.
He saved us in our darkest hour and he never surrendered.
And you told me, I don't want to sort of retread old Brown, but you told me that, nah, he wasn't a good guy.
He probably bumped up his mother.
He probably bumped off G.E. Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia.
He arranged the motorbike accident that we saw at the beginning of Lawrence of Arabia.
Was he responsible for killing Kitchener?
Yeah, well, obviously he didn't commit these murders personally in arranging them.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, Kitchener was assassinated and they sunk the HMS Hampshire, upon which he was situated at the time to cover up the accident.
And they also, you know, the six survivors, I think it was six, maybe 12 survivors who landed on the Norfolk coast after the Hampshire sunk were assassinated by British troops on the beach as they arrived.
So, you know, and then the excuse was given that they thought they were Germans, which is obviously nonsense.
where did you get that?
This is how it works.
A guy called...
No, that wasn't the Hampshire incident, it wasn't David Irving, that was...
That was, who was that?
A guy called.
T. Stokes pseudonym is.
But it's either Thomas Trevor Stokes or Trevor Thomas Stokes.
I can't remember.
But yeah, this is a long, long time ago.
I mean, this is many, many years ago when I first started doing this stuff.
And yeah, that guy was an MI6 whistleblower and he was a contemporary of Churchill, but he lived into a very old age.
I think he was about 100 when he died.
And yeah, he blew the whistle on lots and lots of incidents that Churchill had been involved in.
I suppose the problem with MI6 whistleblowers is that given the nature of whistleblowing, they're likely to be an outlier.
In other words, there's not going to be a super abundance of corroboratory evidence, is there?
No, this is true.
This is true, absolutely.
So just playing Devil's Advocate here, T. Stokes could have been just a nutcase who made up stories about.
It could have been, except that it was a very well-respected commentator.
Okay.
Not by the mainstream, obviously, but certainly in truth circles.
And, you know, it's not just me that's told the story that he passed on, but there's lots of far better researchers than I that actually respect and believe exactly everything that he said.
So, yeah, I mean, there's no guarantee that it's the absolute truth, but it does make sense knowing what else we know.
It kind of fits into the big overall jigsaw puzzle in my head about reality, if you like.
So, yeah, I mean, there's never any proof, is there?
But yeah, I'm convinced.
I like the idea that you're thinking in your head.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I do.
I tell that stuff when I do my standard presentations, I say that to people.
I say reality is like a 10 billion or a 10 trillion piece jigsaw puzzle.
And the more pieces you put in place, the clearer the overall picture becomes.
And that in turn enables you then, as the picture becomes clearer, to put even more pieces into place.
You know, just as if you are doing a jigsaw puzzle in reality, you know, so it's it's it's an analogy that I always use.
I'm finding that the more you understand, the more you understand.
Yes, exactly that.
And yes, so T. Stokes was MI6.
And he reported this story about how the Hampshire was.
Yes.
So you mean that this is one of the mind-bobbling things, isn't it, about the people who run the world?
They are so ruthless and Frankly, sadistic that in order to bump off Kitchener, they also decided to sink a whole ship, a battleship, presumably, with I don't know how many men on board.
I can't remember something like 1600, but don't quote me on that.
It was just a thousand odds, yeah, something like that.
Anyone who made it to the fjord got shot, yeah, there was only a few survivors.
Um, yeah, um, Kitchener was actually told by a colleague of T. Stokes to they gave him a gun and said, basically, shoot yourself, and then they sank the ship to cover up the evidence.
Presumably, that the assassins or the ones who gave him the ultimatum were they escaped on a boat, yeah, on the launch.
This is what T. Stokes said, yeah, yeah.
I can't see that I got any reason to make it up.
I mean, you know, maybe you did, but I don't, I don't think so.
I mean, the story is too detailed, it's just you know, you it's never infallible, but you can usually tell when something is kind of fabricated, or you know, it's possible to tell when something is fabricated.
And I really don't think that was because it all fitted into that big jigsaw puzzle in my head, you know.
So, I just absolutely believe it's true.
And I wrote about it in my one of my books.
Uh, which one was it?
I think it was in Behind the Curtain, but anyway, that's irrelevant.
But, yeah, I'm convinced that the story is true.
And knowing what I know about Churchill's life overall from all the research I've done on him, it fits the pattern.
I mean, it's absolutely beyond question that he ordered his mother assassinated.
Um, you know, again, I go into detail, it's massive detail of that in my book, uh, one of my books.
And yeah, the reason for that was that because she, um, first of all, she was known to be uh quite liberal with her sexual favours, shall we say, and that that was really um affecting his political career because in those days, you know, I mean, these days, it really just brushed under the carpet, wouldn't it?
But in those days, it was a big thing, you know, 100 years ago, uh, 100 plus years ago, um, to have someone's mother in that at that level of society who was, shall we say, pushing it about a bit, not to put too fine a point on it.
Um, it caused him great anguish and embarrassment, and people were talking about it, and he hated that, but that was only a tiny part of it.
The main thing was that he and his brother Jack, about 20 years after his father's death, so we're looking in the mid-19 teens, uh, found out that his mother had been depriving them both of a 50,000 pounds a year allowance in his father's will, of which up until that point in time, they'd never seen a copy of their father's will.
So, a mother, the mother, in effect, had embezzled several million pounds, and you know, a million pounds was a lot of money in those days.
I mean, it's a lot of money these days, but in those days, you know, you can multiply it virtually by 100.
Um, so it was that they had felt that she not only was she disgracing the Churchill name by having all these extramarital affairs, uh, but you know, then when Winston found out that she'd taken all this money that wasn't his, that wasn't hers, sorry, um, that was the last straw.
And he colluded with uh Bernard Spilsbury, very famous pathologist at the time, um, to kind of create a situation whereby she was uh done away with surreptitiously.
I know this sounds like madness, honestly, and it does to me as well, but but you know, it really is true.
Uh, and uh, what happened was she actually it bided his time, it was very good, it was a very patient guy, Winston.
He bided his time, and she actually had an accident, she fell down some stairs, broke her leg, and uh, she was put under the care of Spilsbury, a famous pathologist of the day.
And uh, he again, this is a very thumbnail sketch of a very, very long story.
Okay, there's far more to it than this, but um, Spilsbury organized for her to be uh done away with Churchill just saw that as an opportunity, right?
Um, yeah, I maybe I've just I've just been in Russia and I wrote a piece I wrote a piece about saying Russia is basically great for the in the spectator and I was very aware as I wrote it that I was addressing an audience which predominantly believed completely
in the normie paradigm these people have probably taken their taken their safe and effective jabs They believe that Winston Churchill is a hero.
They believe the earth is a globe.
They believe that we emerge from the primordial slime after Big Bang and the evolutionary theory is true.
And all the panoply of beliefs that people have and are trained in from birth.
And I looked at the comments of this piece and they were generally very negative because, as you know, the populace has been bombarded with anti-Russian propaganda for years and people who trust the media are going to be given a completely false impression of things.
But anyway, I remember one person sort of snorting that they'd tried to listen to one of my podcasts, but had given up at the moment when I impugned the integrity of Winston Churchill.
And this is where most people are.
I've realized that there is no point.
This podcast we're doing now, you could not show it to your normie friend and truth bomb them into awakeness.
They would say, who is this evil man, John Hamer, with his flimsy, his flimsy evidence based on what?
Hearsay of one disgraced ex-MI6 officer or so he claims, and he's probably lying.
And how dare he suggest that what's the evidence that Churchill killed his mother?
Well, actually, what is the evidence?
How do we know this?
Well, again, it's just, I mean, some of it is conjecture, obviously, but again, it goes back to having faith in the researchers that you that I follow, you know, because I don't make all this information up.
What's the first stand on the shoulders of giants?
You know, I look at other people's research and then do my own based upon that.
So, you know, it's it might come across as being flimsy, but it's it's a wholly whole different kettle of fish trying to explain it in words to me anyway, as it is to writing it down.
I, you know, I present evidence in my books, it's which is very difficult to verbalize, if you know what I mean, because A, I can't remember it all off the top of my head.
It's a totally different scenario when you're actually researching and writing to actually being grilled.
Not that you're grilling me, James.
I don't mean that, but to actually being asked about, you know, how I know these things.
It's difficult to verbalize because I'm a writer.
I'm not really a speaker anyway, but that's just by the by.
But that scenario is a totally different one to actually research and writing.
So I didn't present John.
no I didn't I was more musing about the nature of yeah I I'm sorry.
Yeah, it was a bad choice of words on my part.
I didn't mean to imply that you were grilling.
No, no, no, not at all.
It's just curious, isn't it?
That there is this gulf, a canyon that separates those of us who are awake or whatever, whatever word you could say.
And those of us who gribe to the normie paradigm.
And it's to bridge that gulf is, well, you can't bridge it.
People have got to make their own journey.
They've got to somehow erect their bridge.
They've got to sort of build it.
Yeah, but that's a journey you've been on recently.
It's a journey you've been on reasonably recently.
And it's a journey that I undertook three decades ago.
But that doesn't matter.
The point is that, yeah, there is a massive gulf.
And how you bridge that, I have absolutely no idea.
I have to have this conversation with many, many people About what makes someone more receptive to this kind of information and more acceptable, more accepting of it.
And we never come to a conclusion.
In fact, the best conclusion that I can come to is one that my wife put to me a couple of years ago.
And even though you may laugh at it, but she said that I think it's because we are all old souls.
We've all been around the block a few times.
We've been here before.
And, you know, I think that's the closest I can come to actually understanding why some people.
Because if you look at the demographics of the truth movement, there's no pattern, you know, rich, poor, old, young.
You know, it's not possible to analyze it and come to a conclusion as to how and why some people are like we are, and some people just cannot accept it.
You know, when you were commenting when you were looking into Churchill, did you delve back into his ancestry?
I mean, I imagine that given what I now know about people who make it in the system, people who, I mean, I believe that the devil is the God of this world and that we live in a kind of peace system and that the people who thrive are those who are rewarded by the forces of darkness for their evil.
Presumably, John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough, was probably not a goodie either.
I mean, great.
Well, no, none of them were.
No.
I mean, they're all basically psychopaths, aren't they?
I mean, you know, because they have it instilled into them from birth and they're brought up by psychopaths to become psychopaths.
Yeah, I mean, you may have a point about the, you know, the evil that rules the world, absolutely.
I mean, I wouldn't question that.
I mean, I think that's a reasonable assumption.
Okay, but yeah.
The default assumption that somebody from a high family who wins battles is probably a psychopath.
Do we know anything more about Churchill's ancestry, or is that not something you've really delved into?
Oh, yeah, I've looked into his ancestry.
Absolutely.
I mean, his immediate ancestry was very questionable.
I mean, I'm going to say something now, and this might flaw you again, but it was his father who was instrumental in the Jack the Ripper murders.
You know, again, we know this as a fact because I did know this.
Yeah.
Well, do you want me to talk about the Jack the Ripper murders very briefly?
Yeah, why not?
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
Well, what happened was in the 1880s, early 1880s, one of the second in line to the throne was called Prince Eddie.
That was his colloquial name.
I can't remember his real name.
Again, this is from years ago that researchers.
But yeah, and he had been born, I think, because of royal inbreeding.
He was born partially deaf and very with a very low IQ.
You know, the guy was a bit of a, you know, a slow learner, shall we say, to be very kind.
Now, he was a bit of a jack the lad, a bit of a rebel, and he got involved with someone called Walter Sickert, who was a famous artist, portrait painter of the day.
And Walter was a very bohemian type, and he introduced him to all his bohemian friends in London.
And Eddie actually, as he got older, he became part of this bohemian set.
And he was, he had, shall we say, sexual proclivities that wouldn't be acceptable in terms of child being attracted to younger members of the human race.
And also, yeah, it is normal, absolutely.
And also to same-sex relationships.
And he was involved with a young boy at a paedophile homosexual brothel.
And the letters between him, between the two, came into not into the public domain, but they came to the notice of certain people.
And he actually is bisexual.
And he actually, at one point, he met an artist model by the name of, oh my God, I'm going to dig deep into the recess of my memory now.
I can't remember what Annie Crook, she was called.
And he actually married her in secret.
Now, she was a Catholic, and as a member of the royal family and head to the throne, you can't marry a Catholic.
It just wasn't allowed and still isn't for all I know, but that may have been changed.
But yeah, Eddie was the son, the eldest son of the guy who became Edward VII.
So if Eddie had lived, he would have been king after Edward VII instead of King George V. Okay, so that's Eddie.
And now Eddie made this girl pregnant.
And Annie Crook, who we made pregnant, had a series of friends, who were all prostitutes, who thought it would be a great idea to blackmail the royals over this incident.
She actually obviously knew about it because she was the one that was made pregnant.
And she made the mistake of telling her friends.
Now, I'm struggling with the names here.
But anyway, the ringleader of this group of four prostitutes, and there were four, decided, as I say, to blackmail the royals, which was a big mistake.
Now, Walter Sickert, when the child was born, he took the child to France because he knew that the royals might decide to dispose of it.
And God, this is a long, complicated story.
It's difficult to relate.
But yeah, the top and bottom of it was that the Royals, there's a Masonic lodge in Kensington Palace called the Royal Alpha Lodge.
And five members of that ringleader was Randolph Churchill, Winston's father.
There was a guy called J.K. Stephen, who'd been Eddie's tutor at Cambridge.
And some others, I can't remember the names.
I'm sorry, my memory is just going ridiculously crazy.
They decided to form a Masonic hunting party.
The whole thing was very, very Masonic, very Free Masonic.
There was lots of Freemasonic symbology in it all.
For example, one of the girls was killed outside the Masonic Temple somewhere in London.
Again, I can't remember the details.
But yeah, so it was a group.
Jack the Ripper wasn't just one single person.
It was a group and it was a royal, it was a royal Masonic rich.
It was a Free Masonic ritual committed by the Royal Alpha Lodge from Kensington Palace.
So yeah, I mean, that was a very bad, poor explanation.
I'm sorry, but that's the gist of it.
So again, again, I've written all this down.
It's all in my book, The Falsification of History, for anybody who's interested.
But yeah, please ignore that explanation.
It was very poor and off the cuff.
So it's all in there.
That's a good Andrew's girl.
I mean, I haven't really looked at it.
I knew some of the names.
I knew Walter Sicker.
But I hadn't realised.
It's always good when somebody explains to you quite simply what the deal is.
Because I don't read a book about the true identity of Jack the Ripper.
And it's one of those, it's one of those subjects, isn't it, that lots of people have written books about.
And presumably there's lots and lots of red herring books.
Yeah, well, this is it.
I mean, this is what they do, isn't it?
Every few years, they come up with another, oh, this is the guy who was Jack the Ripper.
You know, someone comes up with a new theory.
But the reason we know this is true, and we do know that this story is the real one, is because Walter Sickert had a son, Joseph Sickert.
And in the very early 1970s, the BBC produced a bizarre series of documentaries whereby they asked fictional detectives such as whoever the TV detectives were at that time, you know, people like people from Zedcars and things like that, which was a program at the time.
Yeah, that kind of thing.
I don't think it was specifically that, but that kind of thing.
British ones rather than American ones.
But yeah, and every episode was their view on what happened to the Jack the Ripper case.
Now, a BBC researcher phoned a, I had a contact who was a retired Scotland Yard detective.
It was long retired and he was a very, very old guy.
And he knew this story and he suggested that they contact Joseph Sicker and he even gave Joseph Sickert's phone number.
So this researcher got hold of Joseph Sicker and one of the episodes was this story that I told very badly just then.
And Joseph Sickert came on and he told the story and he said, This is absolutely true.
And this is straight from the horse's mouth.
This is from my father.
He said, and what happened was the baby that Annie Crook delivered and that Walter Sickert took to France to protect it from any royal retribution.
He actually married that child when it grew up, which is a bit sick.
But there you go.
That's what these people are like, isn't it?
And he said, no, Walter Sickert married it.
And it was Joseph's mother.
Okay.
So, yeah, sick.
I know, but there you go.
Anyway, that's you know, that's how we know the story is true.
Now, the BBC actually put this vote out to people, I don't know if it was in the Radio Times or wherever it was, but everybody voted for it.
And this was the one that was voted as the most likely scenario.
Okay, and it was confirmed by Joseph Sickert.
There was a guy called Stephen Knight, who you may have heard of, who was involved.
He wrote a book called The Brotherhood, which exposed the secrets of Freemasonry.
And he told this story as well.
And he actually wrote a book called Jack the Ripper, the something, the real truth.
That's not the exact title, but it was something along those lines.
That manuscript was stolen and destroyed.
He rewrote it again from memory, but it didn't include a lot of the controversial stuff this time.
I wonder why.
And then a few months later, after that book was published, Stephen Knight was poisoned, which is the generally accepted way that Freemasons deal with people who expose their secrets.
Was Stephen Knight?
So, yeah, I mean, it all fits together.
Is he a Freemason?
Oh, by the way, I'm hearing nasty feedback.
Stephen Knight, no.
Sorry?
I'm getting nasty feedback.
I can hear my voice on your.
Shall I put my headphones on?
Baby.
right sorry about that Is that any better?
So, Joseph Sickert is his child the do they have children?
Joseph Sickert.
I'm not sure.
I don't know about that.
Joseph Sickert was the son of Walter and I can't remember what the baby was.
I was thinking in some ways their descendants are actually have a claim to the throne, don't they?
Well, apart from the rule about Catholics.
Yes.
I mean, what happened to Eddie was that Eddie was, they took him away.
They removed him from Buckingham Palace.
They took him to Glams Castle in Scotland.
And this is the other interesting element to this story: that they gave him into the care of the Earl of Strathmore, who lived at Glams Castle.
And in return for keeping Eddie prisoner there for the rest of his life, which is what they did, they promised Strathmore that one of his daughters could marry the future King of England.
And guess who his daughter was?
Elizabeth Bursley.
Yeah.
Indeed, absolutely.
So, yeah, that was another element to the story.
And they announced Eddie's death in 1891 of pneumonia.
But we know for a fact that he was still alive and we know that he was still alive until the very early 1940s.
Because at one point in time, there was a picture, a photograph of him, which appeared on the internet, but which disappeared very quickly.
And yeah, and it was just a picture of him sat in Glam's Castle or Balmoral, wherever he was, because it flitted between the two, apparently.
And he was just sat there painting a picture, and it was an absolute likeness of earlier portraits of him.
So, yeah, again, it all ties together, you know, and when you piece it together, it all makes perfect sense.
Whoa.
It's there were so many chambers and side chambers and sub-chambers in this rabbit hole, aren't there?
Absolutely.
Yeah, it is.
It's a very long and complex story, but it is fascinating, you know, and I absolutely am absolutely convinced that that's the truth.
You know, I don't just accept things that people tell me or that I read.
I always, before I, you know, register it in my own head as fact, look into it very deeply.
And this one, it just absolutely meshes together in every element.
So, just to finish off the rip a bit before we move on.
Yeah.
This gang of Freemasons from the Alpha, the Royal Alpha Lodge in Kendrick.
Yeah.
Including Randolph Churchill.
Yeah.
Churchill's dad.
They personally carry out that they basically bumped off the witnesses or the participants in this black mouse scheme.
Exactly, yeah.
And what the Queen's, the Queen Victoria's personal physician was involved as well.
And again, I'm sorry, I can't remember his name off the top of my head.
And also Sir Charles Warren, who was commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, he wasn't actually involved in the murders, but he facilitated the cover-up.
At one point, when the fourth one, Catherine Eddowes, oh God, I remembered it.
When Catherine Eddows was killed, she wasn't actually part of that group.
She was the fifth one and the fourth victim.
Mary Kelly was the fifth victim.
She'd been, she was the actual ringleader and they couldn't find her for ages.
So there's a bit of a gap.
But when Catherine Eddows was murdered, she was murdered in error because she was married.
Oh, no, she wasn't married.
She was cohabiting with a guy called John Kelly.
So they assume that the somehow the message miscarried and the assassins thought that she was Mary Kelly, but it was actually Catherine Eddowes.
So she was killed by mistake.
But she was the one who was killed outside the Masonic Lodge in Mitre Square in London.
And Mitre Square, yes, good one then.
And there was a slogan scroll on the wall, and it said, The Jews are the men who will not be blamed for nothing, which is a bit doesn't mean much, does it?
But the Jews spelt J-U-W-E-S.
And Jews in Masonic speak, it refers to the three murderers of Hiram Abiff in Solomon's Temple in the Masonic legend.
And they were Jew Bella, Jubelo, and Jubalon.
That's what the Masons refer to as the three Jews.
But Sir Charles Warren, once the guy who was in charge of the investigation, Inspector Abilene, he arrived on the scene.
But Warren was already there.
And Warren immediately ordered that slogan to be rubbed off the wall, which it was, because he said it would inflame anti-Semitism in the East End.
But he knew damn well that that was a Masonic message, if you like.
So, yeah, again, that's another element to it.
Do you think was Churchill aware that what his dad got up to?
Winston Chipman?
I don't know.
I can't answer that.
I don't know.
It wouldn't surprise me, but there you go.
Yeah, although, I mean, he went on to do much worse, didn't he?
So he was a 33rd degree Mason.
Freemason.
A druid.
A druid.
A member of the Royal Order of Druids or whatever it's called.
Which do you think is more nefarious?
The Masons, without a doubt.
Right.
The Druids are just, yeah.
Queen Elizabeth was a Druid as well, by the way.
Yes, no, I've seen that photograph of her.
I don't know enough about the Druids to know whether they do bad things or not.
I mean, it's obviously painful.
I must admit, it's not something that I particularly researched the Druid element.
But yeah, You know, the fact that all these people are a part of it means to me in my mind that it cannot be good, whatever it is.
But yeah, that's that's probably a bit unfair.
I don't know what it's all about, really.
Um, well, you've he was primarily um a pedigrass, wasn't he?
I mean, his sexually sexual preferences were which is why he you told me before he used to go on even during the war, he'd fly out to Tangier to for his Arab bunboys.
Is that right?
That's absolutely correct.
Yeah, he was flying across war-torn Europe to visit the homosexual paedophile brothels in North Africa.
Yeah, that's dedication.
It's basically you have to get that Arab boy ass at the cost.
Yes, well, yeah, as soon as you put it so delicately, yeah, so yeah, yeah, so so.
Um, did he, but his marriage was it uh with Clemy?
What did she think about all this?
Was it just sort of an upper-class thing that you sort of tolerated, or what?
I think so.
I mean, she knew that he was, she knew that he was up to uh, shall we say, naughty things, I'm sure, but um, yeah, they did, they turned a blind eye.
That was just what that class of men got up to, wasn't it?
And uh, whether she knew the full extent, who knows, but uh, yeah, that that was a that was a typical reaction by that class of person in those days, wasn't it?
You know, probably still is for all I know.
Uh, yeah, um, so he he had a very interesting military career.
Um, he obviously had an appetite for the for powder, the smell of smell of gunpowder and being shot at without results and stuff.
And he took part in that that that the last great cavalry charge at Omdurman.
So he was quite he was quite physically brave.
I think he probably was in his younger days.
Yeah, I wouldn't dispute that at all.
You know, he was uh, you know, it was again, he was typical of that generation and that class.
You know, it was war was glory, and you know, he was uh, he was well into that, so yeah, I mean, I wouldn't dispute that he probably was quite a brave guy in his younger days.
Yeah, when did he start showing his because I mean, when you're a young man trying to get on, it's quite hard to have to do really evil things at scale.
But so, when did he start showing his satanic nature?
Let's say, uh, once he got into politics, I think, you know, I think that's fair, fair to say.
He um uh he was actually he became a Zionist.
Well, first of all, his mother was Jewish, um, so that made him a Jew.
Yeah, Jenny Jerome, yeah, she was uh, she was uh she was the daughter of uh an American financier, a Jewish financier in Wall Street, and uh yeah, so he was he was you know a Jewish sympathizer.
I mean, was he very aware was he keenly aware of this of his Jewishness?
Was it was this a thing that oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
And he was bought out uh by uh you know by the Zionists, uh, which led to his World War II exploits exploits.
You know, what happened in World War II that he directed he was he replaced Chamberlain, if you remember, as prime minister in May 1940, and um, he was placed there, of course, as they all are.
Uh, Chamberlain was assassinated later that year to get rid of him because he was an appeaser, which I didn't know he was, yeah.
Again, well, it's not common knowledge, but the evidence points to the fact that Chamberlain was disposed of because he wasn't, um, you know, but it happens all the time.
You know, when you look through history, they just dispose of people that get in their way.
Basically, look at I can't remember the guy's name.
Who was the guy who was the leader of the Labour Party for Wilson?
Oh, John Smith, no, before Wilson.
Oh, yeah.
So, John Smith was another one later on.
Yeah, um, it was uh Gateskill, Hugh Gateskill was another one.
They wanted Wilson in for whatever reason, and Gateskill was disposed of, you know.
So, it just a common theme, a common occurrence.
So, yeah, anyway, that's what happened to Chamberlain.
How did they come to him?
I can't remember.
He was ill, but you know, the official story is that he was ill, but I can't, I honestly can't remember.
Um, but yeah, uh, but you know, to go back to your question about when did it first become satanic, I don't, I don't know the exact point in time, but if it was only must be First World War, because you think about his engulfer in the Dardanelles campaign, yeah, exactly.
Uh, it must have been sometime around then, but at that point in time, he was heavily under the influence of the Zionists, and it was and he was the Zionist choice as prime minister to succeed Chamberlain.
So, yeah, it was um, he was paid, I can't remember the exact figure, but I've got in my head to like 200,000 pounds a year to do what he did during World War II.
Uh, again, that's quite a long way in those days, uh, yes, it would buy you uh, you know, quite a bit of luxury, shall we say, uh, but because he was bankrupt at one point, and um, you know, I think that's what kind of enticed him into this bribery situation with the Zionists, so yeah, um, it was uh, it was definitely under their thrall.
But there was a famous um newspaper obviously where it wasn't there, where he was talking about um Zionism and communism, or I'm not familiar with that.
What was that?
What was that about?
Oh, shit, sorry, we've got an infestation of ladybirds.
All the ladybirds come in the house this time of year.
All right, I sound crawling my neck, and I was worried that I might have hurt it.
I'm quite tender towards ladybirds.
I want to, I go on rescue missions, putting them in boxes and taking them outside.
So, I don't like them being squats.
No, you're getting well with my wife.
She's like that with all creatures, she won't kill anything at all.
She even goes picking up the slugs off the path in wet weather and putting them in the bushes.
So, yeah, I've become increasingly.
I mean, even with hunting, I don't want any foxes to be hurt.
It would never stop me hunting, but I want any foxes that may be around about to go away.
Yeah, so Churchill, of course, was spent a chunk of his ill-gotten gains on hunting, didn't he?
Yeah, so you're saying that there was never any question that Churchill was a Zionist from the start, through and through.
But I imagine this wasn't much talked about, it wasn't much known, even.
Well, no, absolutely.
I mean, if you'd said to someone in the early 20th century, you know, do you realize what's going on with Zionism?
They'd probably say, Well, what is Zion?
First of all, what is Zionism?
And, you know, it's just maybe something, a word that they read in the Bible or something.
You know, it didn't mean much to them.
You know, it wasn't, it wasn't kind of a prominent element of politics, you know.
So, yeah, absolutely.
Right.
Well, so was he was Churchill involved in the Balfour Declaration and stuff like that?
I don't think so.
I mean, not that I'm aware of.
I mean, it could well have been, but that was, you know, that was obviously Arthur Balfour, hence the name.
But yeah, again, you know, the Zionists were very, very prominent in coercing and bribery of British politicians, as they still are, dare I say.
Yeah, so from what I've sort of gleaned elsewhere, I now think of a lot of these stunts that Churchill arranged as kind of a form of satanic blood sacrifice.
So the Dardanelles.
I mean, it was particularly good.
He's good at killing Commonwealth troops, but you think the Osses and the Kiwis in Gallipoli.
And then again, the Canadians at Dieppe.
Yes.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, well, it was.
And then, of course, you know, something that we mentioned by email before we began this meeting, of course, there was Dresden as well.
Yeah, Dresden.
Okay, so let's talk about Dresden.
So when I was when I was really into my World War II, I was aware that there were sort of question marks over bomber command, that area bombing was not effective.
just just sort of they could not bomb it sufficiently accurately to to to to focus on military targets and so therefore they came up with this policy of you know just smashing whole areas and there was also a question about whether it was really right to just drop bombs on on on cities and why yeah and the argument you you get back from people like max hastings and other sort of historians of the war was that Well,
the Soviets wanted it because they wanted the war to continue in that period where there was no allied presence on continental Europe.
So we, we had to show uncle Joe that we were doing our bit to, to fight Germany when the Russians were bearing the brunt of them.
You heard all these, these explanations.
Yeah.
But I, And I was friendly with a wonderful old boy called David Hearsey, who was a Halifax bomber pilot and flew a terrifying number of missions.
He was not full of the praises of the glory of what he'd done.
It was a job that they were told to do.
There were bus drivers dropping tons of explosives on German women and children and then expecting to be pitchforked to death if they got shot down.
So I feel sorry for the people who had to do this.
But yeah, so tell me about Dresden.
Yeah, well, Dresden was a medium-sized town in Eastern Germany.
No military presence whatsoever, no military significance whatsoever.
But Churchill, along with his, you know, along with Eisenhower, who was Allied commander at that time, decided to destroy the place, basically.
So on the night of the 12th, 13th of February, 1945, something like a thousand plus Allied bombers attacked the place.
Dresden was, still is, as far as I'm aware, famous for its China pottery, Dresden pottery industry.
And at that time, it was the adopted home of hundreds of thousands of refugees who'd been fleeing, because this was towards the end of the war, of course, who'd been fleeing from the Far East of Germany and they were attempting to escape the marauding Russian hordes who were committing genocide and rape on an industrial scale.
So yeah, there was no military installations in Dresden, no military headquarters or munitions factories or anything like that, not even any heavy engineering.
But what happened in that space of 12 terrifying hours that night, as far as I'm concerned, it should live forever in the annals of human shame.
It's thought by a lot of credible commentators that as many as four to 500,000 innocent people died that night, far more than double the alleged two atomic explosions in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And in many cases, it wasn't just a quick death, but it was a slow, agonizing death through being eaten alive by phosphorus and firestorms, which were generated by the half a million plus incendiary bombs that were dropped by the Allies that night.
More than 12,000 houses were reduced to dust, not rubble, dust during this firestorm.
And in the fact that there was about 600,000 inhabitants of Dresden and about another 600,000 refugees, they were all crammed into these overcrowded houses.
Yeah, but the official figure is only 35,000 dead, but that only represents a small part of the victims who could be fully identified.
And it goes without saying that, you know, obviously the thousands and thousands of poor women, children, invalids and old people that the firestorm had transformed into nothing more or less than ashes couldn't even be identified.
So, yeah.
And at the time of the attack, Dresden had no defense.
It had no anti-aircraft guns, no military defense.
You know, and what happened was Churchill was totally complicit, in fact, instrumental in this senseless, pointless mass murder of around half a million unarmed, helpless citizens, mostly women and children.
So, yeah, what happened was, Oh, David Irving.
This information comes from David Irving, by the way.
He's obviously a very well-respected historian.
He knows what he's talking about.
He said that Churchill said, and I quote, I don't want any suggestions how to destroy militarily important targets around Dresden.
I want suggestions as to how we can roast the 600,000 refugees.
You know, so anyway, I mean, the story was that the alarm was given at about 9:30 p.m. and several minutes later, the bombers came over, non-stop explosions.
That place was just like a scene from Dante's Inferno.
People were running down the streets on fire.
Once the firestorm actually got going, people were being blown down the entire length of streets into burning houses.
It was just absolute horrendous.
It was chaos.
It was an absolute blood sacrifice.
You know, I've got a quote.
I've just pulled up this quote now from someone, an eyewitness who was there.
He said, she said, we saw terrible things, cremated adults shrunk to the size of small children, pieces of arms and legs, dead people, whole families burnt to death, burning people running to and fro, burnt coaches filled with refugees, dead rescuers, and soldiers.
Many were calling out and looking for their children and families, and fire was everywhere.
And all the time, the hot wind of the firestorm threw people back into the burning houses they were trying to escape from.
I cannot forget these terrible details.
I can never forget them.
You know, it just affected this poor person for the rest of her life.
And she was only, you know, a young child at this time, you know, a teenager.
And then the worst bit about it was after the initial raid, the bombers went away again, and everybody, you know, all the survivors came out of the houses to see this, you know, this appalling death and destruction.
And then without warning, because all the air raid sirens being destroyed in the first attack, another wave came over, which was actually worse than the first one.
And this was accompanied by low-flying American fighter planes who machine gunned every survivor that they could see, low-flying American fighter planes, and they just indiscriminately murdered people trying to escape.
They even machine gunned the animals that had escaped from the wreckage of the zoo.
Yeah, it was just, it was, it was a satanic sacrifice.
You're right.
I find it so upsetting hearing this.
It should be etched on the conscience of everyone.
Yeah, should be.
But people don't know it.
I mean, this is the point.
People don't know this story.
They just think it was, well, it's just another attack.
You know, they bombed Berlin, which was bad enough.
They bombed Hamburg, which was probably worse than Berlin.
But Dresden was by far the worst of them all.
But people don't realize exactly the extent of what did go on.
I mean, Churchill's idea openly stated was that he wanted the country of Germany and its people obliterated from the face of the earth.
So he this goes back to the plan by the Milner Group.
It's a sort of long-term plan, isn't it?
To erase Germany.
Well, to stop it being a viable power that it was considered to be a threat, and to a lesser degree, Russia.
So they cooked up these world wars.
And Churchill was he was very anti-German, wasn't he?
Yeah, it was very anti-German, but it was bought and paid for.
I mean, I don't believe personally that he was actually a business transaction.
I don't believe that he actually thought it.
Well, maybe he did in the end, but I think, you know, initially, it was certainly just a business transaction.
You know, this is what he was paid to do.
This is what he was paid to believe.
Have you noticed, by the way?
You're sort of off-generation with me.
I've noticed that during my lifetime, when we were younger, certainly at least into my 30s, 40s, maybe, when we talked about the war, we talked about the Germans.
We never refer to them as the Nazis.
And yeah.
And this, I think it's the spielbergification of our culture that you hear younger people now always refer to the Germans as the Nazis.
Yes.
Because the Nazis are the name plus ultra of evil we've been trained to think.
But have you noticed that as well?
Yes, I have.
And yeah.
And I mean, there was a particular event during the war.
I don't know if I'm allowed to mention it, beginning with H. Oh, yeah.
But that has become a, it's become an almost sacred, sacred thing.
You know, it's, it's the be-all and end-all of everything.
And it's pushed in our faces still, you know, 80 years after the event, it's still pushed in our faces on a regular basis through people like Spielberg, who's obviously a Zionist and his ilk.
And, you know, that the entirety of the media pushes this event in our face constantly because it they have to do that to justify the existence of yes, it is, it is now the excuse.
Whereas at the time, nobody thought that they were fighting what that wasn't on the on the war end.
Nobody thought they were they were fighting World War II to stop the Holocaust.
It's been retrospectively rebranded as a kind of a war against the Nazis to save the Jews.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
I mean, I go into massive, massive detail about all this stuff that we're talking about and all the background to it.
And in my book, Behind the Curtain, James.
And, you know, there's so much information there about.
There was a guy called Sefton Delmer, who in the 1940s, he was head of black propaganda.
He was the guy who thought all this stuff up and promulgating this idea of Nazis bad, you know, allies good.
And he was like the architect of that particular theme, shall we say.
And this has just been perpetuated, like I say, over the last 80 years.
And it never diminishes.
It just continues.
And it's all about demonizing Hitler, the Nazis, and the German people as a whole at the time.
And also sanctifying Churchill.
Did nothing creep out about Dresden?
Was nobody shocked in the aftermath?
Did nobody say, well, hang on a second, what was going on here?
Well, no, because it wasn't reported in that way.
It was just another bombing raid.
It was just, yeah, we attacked Dresden last night very successfully, blah, blah, blah.
The usual old, you know, blase bollocks, you know.
David Irving wrote a book about Dresden, didn't he?
When was that published?
It would have been in the 1980s.
So when his reputation hadn't yet been destroyed, quite.
Yeah.
I mean, there is definitely a price to be paid, isn't there, for relaying true history.
Have you suffered from this?
Well, only in minor ways.
I mean, I've not been, I've not been targeted in any kind of violent sense.
But yeah, I've been cancelled up and down the country, you know, from doing my talks.
There was even a demonstration.
Yeah, there was even a demonstration against me in Stroud last summer.
I was due to speak there about Churchill and this group led by a Zionist guy who's got very strong influence in the town of Stroud.
He organized this demonstration against me.
So I obviously got cancelled.
And yeah, I mean, even truth groups have cancelled me because of my beliefs.
Have they?
That's interesting.
Tell me about that.
Yeah, it was a, I will name names because I don't care.
It was Truth Juice Hull, which apparently doesn't exist anymore, thank goodness.
They asked me to go and do a talk about something completely innocent.
I can't even remember what it was now.
I'm going back maybe five, ten years, certainly over five.
It must be eight, eight, nine, ten.
And they said, yeah, will you come into a chalk?
I said, yeah, of course we will.
Yeah, no problem.
So I arranged to go.
And then the day before I was due to go, the organizer lady, I can't even remember her name now.
Not that that's relevant, phoned me up and said, I'm sorry, John, we're going to have to cancel.
And I said, why is that?
She said, well, we just found out that you're a Holocaust denier.
I said, yes, I said, but I don't just deny it, you know, ad hoc.
Said, I deny it because I know the real truth and I've researched the real truth and I understand exactly what the whys and wherefores and the facts.
Oh, well, no, I'm sorry, we can't tolerate that.
You know, there are people there who'd be very offended by it.
I said, Right, fair enough.
Then, okay.
That was just one example.
You know, the minor examples of there's a truth, there's a truth group in York that won't have me there.
And I believe that's for the same reason, but I can't prove it.
I've never had any contact with them.
So, yeah, it's pathetic, really.
But there you go.
You know, truth people, you know, people involved in truth groups that are not really interested in the truth or hearing an opposite opinion to their own beliefs.
You know, so that's not what truth is all about to me.
Well, that's just me, maybe.
When did people start becoming aware that Churchill wasn't or he wasn't the hero he was cracked up to be?
Or have they ever?
Um, well, it depends what people.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I've only been aware of it kind of 15, 20 years, but you know, I well, so for example, Pat Buchanan wrote a kind of critique of Churchill, didn't he?
I don't know.
I'm not, I mean, I know Pat Buchanan is, but I wasn't aware he'd written anything about yeah, yeah.
I remember when I was when I was trying to work out what kind of conservative I was as a younger man, and I was trying to make head or tail of American conservatism.
I knew there were sort of things like neocons, and I knew there were paleo-conservatives and blah blah.
All these terms, I think, actually they're all misleading, actually.
But I wasn't sure what I thought of Pat Buchanan, but I but I do remember feeling sort of slightly a myth.
This, this, this in-person American had gone and written a book fighting off one of our heroes.
But I was wondering how much the fact that Churchill lost the election, the first general election after the war, was that a reflection of a wider public understanding?
Oh, it's okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, the people knew what kind of a guy he was.
Apparently, when he used to visit the East End to see the bombed areas, he got all sorts of abuse and obviously was heavily bodyguarded, but he had rotten tomatoes thrown at him.
The works, the people hated him.
Yeah, so the very first opportunity, yeah.
Well, the ordinary people, I mean, maybe the upper classes, you know, were enthralled by him.
But yeah, certainly the working class people of London absolutely detested the man.
You know, they believed that he brought all this death and destruction on the East End.
And he did, really, because what happened was, and again, this is a very, you know, it's not a widely known fact.
And again, we're told the exact opposite, as tends to happen, is that it was the Allies that started civilian bombing and not Germany.
Now, the story that we're told is that it was just a retaliation for Hitler.
That's why Hitler started the blitz because he was retaliating for what the Allies were doing to Germany.
It was, you know, again, it's this satanic inversion of facts.
So, yeah, and again, that's very easy to prove.
Very, very easy to prove.
Yes, well, there are records that haven't been erased completely, aren't there?
Yes.
We know what the Germans were planning and what the British were planning.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Have you ever met David Irving?
No, never met him.
No.
No.
I mean, he's been quite ill, hasn't he?
I think he's, I think he's not in a state to he's quite an old man now.
I mean, it must be in his 90s, isn't he?
I'm guessing.
I mean, he's been so traduced and well, wrecked, really.
I mean, as happens.
Yeah, I mean, you know, he was jailed for two years, but he didn't even deny the Holocaust.
All he did was question the six million figure.
You know, he never actually denied the Holocaust.
You know, and he was jailed for two years for his views because he was a prominent guy and people were sitting up and taking notice.
I mean, if I ever reached the position where I, you know, I am able to, you know, command such a, you know, to become such a popular figure, and I don't want to be, but I'm saying if I ever did, then maybe I'd be in jeopardy as well.
because I'm just an anonymous little yeltsherman.
They leave me alone, I guess.
Yeah, well, I can imagine that anyone who's come over from the spectator comments and listened to this will be confirmed in their suspicion.
I completely lost the plot because here I am treating with Holocaust deniers and yet again introducing the good name of the greatest ever hero of Britain who saved us from the Nazi terror and et cetera, et cetera.
Should we have a quick chat about your Antarctica book?
Which you're good for sales, aren't you?
Tell me, remind me of the title.
It's called 60 Degrees South, and then the strap line is Beyond the Ice Wall.
So, yeah.
So you wrote it with, because you had to quit the podcast because you couldn't get your technology to work.
So I ended up talking to your co-author.
He was a lovely chat.
Yeah, Andy, yeah, he said it's good guy.
Yeah.
Andy Ross, yeah.
Yeah.
So I got sort of Andy's view on Antarctica.
I imagine yours is pretty similar.
Do you think that there is beyond the ice wall, there's a whole kind of area of rich terrain with interesting animals and lots of natural resources?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know for sure, James, obviously.
I mean, and it will be speculation.
But what I do believe is that beyond 60 degrees south, the 60th south parallel, there is something going on that they don't want us to know about.
And, you know, to the extent that they will shoot you down if you disobey the order to turn back by a plane.
And they will blow you out the water if you disobey that order to turn back in a boat.
I know that to be a fact.
So what is going on?
Well, I believe there is actually, and I don't know whether Andy showed it on your podcast.
I never actually watched that podcast, to my shame.
I do apologize.
It's on the long list of things that I have to do, but I'm not got around to it yet.
So I don't know whether he talked about the size of the Earth or the shape of the Earth at all.
But in the lobby of the UN building in New York City, there is a map.
Did he actually show that map, Andy?
I'm not sure.
But the map shows the Earth as we know it in a little corner.
And all around it are hundreds of other continents, not hundreds, but dozens of other continents and oceans.
And our portion of the Earth that we know is just in a little corner at the bottom there.
Is it called the?
Did you ever see that map?
No, no, no.
The Gleason map was something, the Gleason's map is just like a flat Earth map, if you like.
This doesn't actually say that the Earth is flat, this map.
It actually says that the globe is much, much bigger than they tell us.
So what is going on in the other bits of the globe that they don't want us to know about?
So the Antarctic Treaty, when the Antarctic Treaty came about in 1959, which was signed by every major power, in fact, it's the only treaty that's ever been signed by all the major powers.
I believe that was a reaction to the fact that the world is metaphorically shrinking and people are much more easily able to get to places like the South Pole now than they ever could prior to that.
So they need it to do something to prevent people from traveling there.
And the Antarctic Treaty was that mechanism.
Now, they'll tell us that, oh, it's to protect all the natural resources.
It's to protect the penguins is another explanation I've heard, which is just utter nonsense.
So yeah, what is really going on down there?
What is the shape of the Earth?
What is actually beyond that 60 degrees south?
We don't know.
Now, people say to me, I've heard this many, many times.
Oh, I know someone or I have been to the Antarctic.
Well, on a cruise.
No, you haven't.
You've been to the Antarctic Peninsula, which is a big piece of land that sticks out up, you know, from the Antarctic mainland itself.
But it's very carefully controlled.
Yes, they allow cruise ships to go there.
And I believe that is just because they can use the argument.
Yeah, people do go to the Antarctic all the time, you know, but that's only 62 degrees south.
So it's a couple of degrees further south than the 65th parallel, but it's heavily controlled.
You're not allowed.
You can go onto the mainland, but you cannot go inland.
Okay, you're restricted as to where you can go.
And I say you couldn't go as an individual.
You can only go on these organized trips.
So, yeah.
So what is going on down there?
Your guess is as good as mine.
I wouldn't like to speculate on exactly what is happening in the South Pole region or the alleged South Pole region.
Well, I mean, I've heard read from other sources, as I'm sure you have, that there is definitely a dumb in Antarctica, a deep underground military base.
And that this is used for things like breeding children for child trafficking and for experiments on sort of creating sort of well,
clones, the clones of creatures that become actors in Hollywood and things like that, or become politicians, and also creating these kind of hybrid modster, part human, part other things.
Is this sort of gel with what you've been hearing?
Yeah, I mean, I've heard all this stuff.
I honestly don't know what the answer is.
But yeah, I mean, there's also the, there was something in the late 1940s, just after the war, called Operation High Jump, which is a massive American military expedition there, which again was very, very mysterious.
It was meant to go on for a year and it was curtailed after five months.
Nobody really knows the reason why.
Okay, they give some bullshit explanation.
I can't remember what it was now.
But yeah, that was curtailed very quickly for whatever reason.
We know that there was a German military base there during the early part of the 20th century, a Nazi base, if you will.
So what was going on down there?
I have, you know, it's intriguing, but I have no real idea as to the truth of anything about it, to be honest.
I mean, the book, like I say, is a novel and we speculate about all sorts of stuff, but I'm not saying that our speculation is accurate.
You know, it's just a story, but it's a story full of truth bombs, which we decided to write because we thought it was a great way to get certain truth bombs across to the normies of this world who would accept it more if it was dressed up as fiction than they would if it was written as non-fiction.
But they probably wouldn't even pick the book up if they built if they thought it was meant to be a factual book.
But, you know, the book, did you actually get around to reading the book, James?
No, I did.
Not any reflection on its quality, but just because I just can't.
No, no, no, no, it's fine.
No, I understand.
I'm the same.
So I know exactly what you mean.
People send me books all the time.
I'm sort of moving on to the next podcast.
And if I haven't read it by the time I've done the first podcast, well, that's kind of it.
Yeah, it's fine.
Yeah, no, you know, there's no need to justify it.
It's fine.
But yeah, and that's that was the reason we wrote it because we just thought that's a great, a different way of trying to get the truth across to certain groups of society, i.e.
the normies.
Where can people buy it?
They can buy it from my website, which is falsificationofhistory.co.uk.
If you're in the UK, I don't post abroad because so many go missing and it's just not worth my while.
Or the usual source, Amazon.wherever in the world you are.
Just Google my name, John Hamer, and it's there along with the rest of my books.
But yeah, anyone in the UK can buy any of my books from my website, so say, which hopefully you will put on the under the under the podcast.
The link.
I was before we go.
I was very disappointed to do another podcast with somebody who told me one of my favourite conspiracy things isn't true.
Gilgamesh's tomb, the lost tomb of Gilgamesh.
I don't know anything about that.
It's not something I've ever researched, James.
Sorry.
Listen, there are so many topics in this world.
I do apologise, James.
It won't happen again.
Before we do another podcast, can you look into Gilgamesh's tomb?
I will do that.
Gilgamesh had a whole epic written about him, the Babylonian or Sumerian, was it?
Yeah, I mean, I'm aware broadly of the story, but it's not something that I've looked into in any depth.
Yeah.
Okay, just tell us what this guy said.
That'll give me a kind of background.
The pictures I've seen, I mean, of course, everything could be fake now.
Think could be AI generated, was that the real reason, one of the real reasons for the second Iraq evasion, the Iraq invasion, was so that the Hillary Clinton and people like that could get hold of Gilgamesh's tomb and they got sort of relics and stuff.
Oh, okay.
Because Gilgamesh would have been one of the Nephilim.
I mean, he was a giant.
Right.
And as you know, one of the things that the forces of darkness do is they try to, they're very keen on extracting Nephilim DNA because they want to, I know, help defeat God in the ongoing war between good and evil.
So they want Gilgamesh's DNA, I imagine, interalio.
Okay.
No, you haven't done that.
Yeah.
No, I haven't.
I'm just kind of writing it down as we speak because, you know, I will absolutely look into this and see what I can come up with.
Yeah.
Have you stumbled any?
I did enjoy the way you casually dropped in the fact that Churchill's father was involved in the Ripper murders.
That was a good one.
Have you surprised yourself recently with any discoveries of that nature?
No, not really.
I mean, to be honest, I've been so busy this year up until mid-August, I've just been meeting myself coming back, as my dad used to say.
It's just been a crazy year.
I've been had speaking engagements all over the country.
I've been doing podcasts like crazy, been writing, been doing bits of research, but nothing.
What are you watching?
No, it's been a well, we wrote Andy and I are writing a sequel to the 60 Degrees South.
And it's going to be called 100 Degrees South.
But yeah, exactly.
I'm also editing a book for a friend as well.
So I am being kept very, very busy.
And, you know, I don't know how I ever had time to work in the past, but somehow I did.
I certainly wouldn't build it.
They haven't chamberlained you yet.
Well, again, I don't think I'm prominent enough, to be honest.
If that is going to happen, it will happen.
I don't care.
Well, I'd say don't care.
Obviously, I don't want to die, but if that is what it's meant to be, I'm a faithless.
I will accept that.
And, you know, when my time is up, my time is up.
And, you know, I ain't going to stop what I'm doing for anybody under any circumstances.
So if I ever reach that height of popularity that causes me to be bumped off.
And I must say, people like David Icke, I know you're not a massive fan of his, but David Icke, he's managed to survive through all these years, hasn't he?
There's a reason why, because he's working for them.
They're not going to bump off, are they?
Well, they might actually.
Not in that case.
No, fairly.
I understand that.
I feel more sorry for Chamberlain.
I was thinking, imagine going down in history and having your name go down as Anna Pisa, the guy, the idiot who waved that bit of paper from Herr Hitler and he was the dupe of the evil Nazis.
Such a fool.
And not only that, but in contrast to the magnificent Churchill, who was doubty and courageous and principled, not only that, but then to get bumped off.
I mean, poor bugger.
Indeed.
I mean, this is how they operate, though, isn't it?
You know, the good, the people who try to do good are soon disposed of because it doesn't fit their agenda.
Whereas the evil ones are pushed into prominence and, you know, supported and financed and all the rest of it.
So, yeah, that's just the way the world works, isn't it?
It's a bugger.
It totally is a bugger.
So, John, just remind us again where we can find your stuff.
And 60 Degrees South has its own website, 60degreesouth.com.
60-degrees-south.com.
I'll send you the links, James, but I'll tell them the name.
60-degrees-south.com is dedicated to that novel that we've just been talking about.
My own website is falsificationofhistory.co.uk.
On there, there's a store on there.
You can buy all my books, sign copies of all my books, including 60 Degrees South.
There is also plenty of articles on there that I've written over the years and every single podcast I've ever done, apart from the ones who's from the mists of time where the links have long been broken.
So there's a lot of podcasts that I did on there.
If failing that, if you're a fan of Amazon, everyone loves Amazon.
They love John.
Absolutely.
I know, I know.
Yeah.
You can get them from amazon.co.uk or amazon.wherever you are by typing my name in the search bar, John Hamer, and it will bring up all my books.
There is another author on there called John Hamer who writes religious books, but that isn't me.
Okay, so you may bring those up, but that's not me.
What my books are about, conspiracy.
Well, I am religious, but I'm not mainstream religious.
I'm a spiritual person.
I believe in a creator, but that's just my own personal thing.
I don't subscribe to any mainstream religion specifically.
Are you related to my Anglo-Saxon tutor at Oxford, Richard Hamer?
No, I don't think so.
Maybe distantly, but it's not a name I've come across.
No, it's not, I mean, it's not a common name, is it?
But, you know, no, I'm not.
Is it a northern name?
It's actually a Bel originated in Bel.
I've traced my family ancestry.
It originated in Belgium.
And what happened was in the 18th century, a lot of Belgian miners, because there was some kind of a dispute strike or whatever, emigrated to South Wales.
And there was an enclave of Hamers in South Wales who then moved up to the Lancashire Coalfield and then across to Yorkshire.
And that was my kind of the journey of my name.
But if you go to Belgium, it's actually a reasonably common name in Belgium, Hamer, is pronounced, and it's spelt exactly the same, but you do see it all around Belgium.
So yeah, it's kind of a Belgian name, I guess.
You know, a Walloo French-speaking Belgian name.
Let's have a look.
Richard Hamer, merged student, English tutor from 1962 to 2002.
Well, I think he was in charge of MI5 recruiting in our college.
Really?
Yeah.
Which college was that?
Sorry?
Christchurch.
Christchurch.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, interesting.
Because obviously they wanted people from the smartest college to spy for.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've got a friend whose daughter's at Cambridge at the moment, and she's been tapped up at the moment by security services.
They never tapped me up.
Do you know why?
No.
Well, I don't know.
Because we're extreme views, was it?
No, I just'm indiscreet.
I'm unreliable.
I'm a troublemaker.
I don't hold my tongue.
You sound like me.
Yeah, I mean, just and I take the piss.
And I won't.
I won't play the game.
That's what they did like.
No, absolutely.
I was always a rebel at school.
I was terrible.
I mean, I wasn't a bad lad, but I was, you know, I was always in trouble for being cheeky and, you know, just generally disruptive and wouldn't accept authority.
You know, that's just me.
I was always cheeky.
I was lucky because I was academic so that I could get away with lots.
I was always near the top of the class.
So you kind of get a free pass.
Yes, you do.
I know what you mean.
So I didn't need to be a kind of complete outsider because I was in their system, but that's the thing.
So I infiltrated it from.
Yeah, I was an infiltrator.
I didn't know it at the time.
Yeah.
So, no doubt they would have.
Sorry, gone.
Yeah, no, Tommy.
No doubt.
No, I was just going to say, no doubt they looked into your background, as they probably do with every student at Oxbridge.
And, you know, they would have kind of said, no, we're not going to touch that guy with a bargebole.
Well, they probably thought there wasn't enough compromise on me.
Maybe.
Well, maybe, yeah.
That I wasn't sufficiently biddable, which seems to be the case.
Right.
That they want people they can control.
I mean, that's what one learns, isn't it, from this stuff that we do.
Yes.
The reason that everyone in positions of power is so corrupted is because they won't let it happen any other way.
They won't allow you to get to rise above a certain level unless they can control you through a compromise.
Yes.
Yeah.
Same applies to acting yourself, isn't it?
Yeah.
It permeates the whole of society.
Absolutely.
Oh, fuck no.
Oh, sorry.
Now the tricky part is for me not to lose this connection.
So.
Right.
I see a sign saying stop recording.
So it's going to record somewhere.
So, yes.
Well, John, thank you yet again for a very fascinating podcast.
And thank you, viewers and listeners.
My pleasure.
Thank you, James.
It's been great.
We'll do another one.
We'll find a new topic.
Maybe you can research Gilgamesh's tomb by the time we return.
No, you don't have to.
Okay.
Thank you, my lovely viewers and listeners.
I do.
I love you all very much.
But I particularly love and afraid.
I do have my favorites.
And my favorites are the ones who actually make the extra effort to support me and become supporters of the podcast, financial supporters.
Which you can do at Substack.
And you can do it at Paxin.
And you can do it by buying me a copy.
I think if you go to my website now, I think you might be able to do it direct quite soon, which would be good.
It's a good development.
Which is James Dellingpole.
What is my website?
It's jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
Or com.
Com.
Oh.
James Dellingpole.co.uk.
Ah.
Yeah.
It's jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And my lovely assistant, Andrew, has been doing fantastic work.
so don't disappoint him.
Oh, and also, if you want to come to the horse day, the horse riding day, look, contact me.
I think we've got a few places left.
It's going to be really fun.
We do a bit of jumping, but not scary, and we have a nice lunch.
And on it's on the 20th, so you haven't got much time.
And there's only a few places, lovely, lovely ladies, and me.
