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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Heather Godfrey.
This is our second try.
Yes, yes, yes.
We've done it.
We talked for about an hour and a half and then it didn't record.
And I thought, well, we can't record it again immediately afterwards because it's just like trying to well probably by the magic of podcasting we'll have exactly the same conversation because these things tend to run the same lines we're going to talk talk about aromatherapy in which you are an expert and I think I said to you last time Aromatherapy has
a kind of bad rap, doesn't it?
It was a thing for a while.
Like, when was it?
Was it in the 90s?
So the 80s, 90s.
And yes, it's been very trivialised, I think.
I'm nothing against beauty therapy at all because you can use essential oils as a skin product.
But it was kind of bandwagoned in terms of its popularity, its commercialization, and it became very trivialised.
So it was very much sort of splash it on all over, almost drink it.
I mean, it's got ridiculous, but yes.
But it's much more serious than that.
Yeah.
Well, yes, because I remember ages ago going for a few aromatherapy sessions and feeling soothed.
And I mean, it wasn't an unpleasant experience.
But then, anyway, before we go on, tell me about yourself.
Right.
So I'm an aromatherapist.
I'm quite, I'm quite old now.
I'm in my 70s.
So I started my career in aromatherapy.
I'm trying to.
Yeah, so I began my journey with aromatherapy mixed up with complementary medicine and meditation.
So I learned about essential oils in the early 70s and when I learned to meditate and met a group of people through that who were very much into alternative medicine as it was called then.
So people like Andrew Locke, Robert Tissarand, and a number of other people sort of all converged together at that time.
We were in London.
And so I learned about complementary medicine to start with, which fascinated me.
Acupuncture, homeopathy, the whole principle, the whole energetic principle of healing.
So I elected to, I suppose, go down more focused on essential oils because that sort of fitted my personality, my way of wanting to work.
But I did look into all of the others and I did a degree later on in complementary medicine and counselling skills because I think that's sort of a good intricative aspect to have when you're working therapeutically.
So I have a kind of background.
My platform is, I suppose, energetic medicine in terms of all of the other elements that that involves.
And from that ground, I'm looking at essential oils.
Now, I focus very much on the psycho-emotional element of essential oils, but they can be used, as we said before, skincare metabolically to sort of heal the internal system as well.
But I tend to focus on the psycho-emotional.
I got married after that and then had four children.
And so I was sort of engrossed in bringing the children up.
But then I carried on studying.
And when the children grew, I did the degree.
Then I did a master's in mindfulness and supervision of counsellors.
And then I've set up my own practice about 20 or 30 years ago.
I've written books.
I write articles.
I write articles for magazines.
So I've kind of entrenched myself on this journey.
Of course, life happens along the way and it's sort of balancing everything.
So I've stayed on this path.
I have found it very enriching.
But as I said, it belongs in the whole basket of complementary medicine, that whole philosophy.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, that so Since I went down the rabbit hole, I've come to appreciate that allopathic medicine is Rockefeller medicine, is bollocks, is evil.
You obviously realized this a while before I did.
So you explored the gamut of natural medicine.
So what did you do?
Kinesiology and diet and all the different forms.
I think it all belongs together.
I don't think you can separate.
I don't think one aspect is better than the other.
I think they all belong together.
So, I mean, lifestyle, diet, all comes into health and well-being.
Homeopathy, you're looking at the sort of subtle elements, then there's things like the Bowen technique.
We're looking at sort of ways to move and to manage our energetics, our energetic system.
You know, we're electromagnetic, the Earth is electromagnetic.
So everything resonates.
And so everything in that sense has a particular place.
In terms of healing modalities, you can come at healing from different angles using a particular format, depending on what's needed.
So acupuncture is very effective.
I've used acupuncture for myself sometimes when I'm looking for healing.
So it's not just about the central oils.
So I'm quite keen to sort of accentuate that it's a holistic, it's an integrative approach to medicine.
And yes, we started recognizing that in the early 70s.
And obviously people were doing that way before that, but it became much more fashionable in the 80s and 90s or more acceptable.
Yeah.
I sometimes hear this phrase that we're energetic beings.
I sort of dimly grasp that.
What does it mean exactly?
Well, for me, that means that we resonate.
Everything resonates.
Everything.
Everything has a vibration.
So it's not woohoo.
It's just that, you know, you can look at quantum physics.
We know that everything resonates.
So we are energetic in that we resonate.
We have a particular energy.
So there are, yeah, different kinds and different forms of energy.
But basically, it's all from that sort of place of resonating sort of fluidly or whether that resonance is blocks or yes.
Maybe I haven't described that well enough, but well, I suppose the problem is that a lot of this stuff has been hijacked by the new age.
Yes.
And the hippie movement was a lot about, yeah, my vibrations, man, my frequency, and it's starting to give me a bad vibe.
And I think what it's done is it's tainted, tainted because it's made it's captured for that particular worldview, what is actually something that you don't have to be new age to believe in.
Yes, yes, yeah.
No, I agree with you.
And this was all the bandwagoning as well.
Yes.
I mean, of course, I was sort of around in the sort of late 70s when there's the whole hippie thing, early 70s.
I was on the fringe of it.
I was a bit too young to be a total hippie, but I was sort of involved.
So yes, it did get very, you know, far out, man.
And it did sort of separate and sort of become a thing.
And then the new age thing came in.
And there are aspects of it which are very valuable.
But there are also, Let me just turn this thing off.
You know, something on here that's making a noise.
Um, yes, there are aspects that are very valuable, but it has been completely and utterly bandwagoned and trivialized.
And I agree with you about the new age, it becomes because it goes to extreme.
The new age thing goes to such extremes that it can put a lot of people off.
It's very difficult to understand, it's very difficult for it to be tangible.
And that's one of the reasons I like essential oils is because you can scientifically, they're tangible, they're actual molecules.
You can prove that they exist, you can do research, you can do tangible research.
But yeah, sorry, there's a noise in the back, and I'll just turn it off.
I can't hear it, but yeah, yes.
So, I agree, I agree with you.
So, the whole thing, that's why I went to university.
That's why I did my own research, and that's why I've written the books is to sort of disentangle that very sort of far-out aspect over-trivialization to ground it more into sort of everyday real life.
Well, the thing I've got quite interested in recently is the idea that fabrics have frequencies, so that, for example, if you wear linen or wool and cotton, they're sort of healing.
Whereas, if you wear synthetic fibres, they have a much lower vibration, which takes you down.
I mean, it's no wonder that they, the powers that be, want to inflict on us all this synthetic fibre.
It's not just because it's cheap and mass-producible, it's also because it poisons us.
Absolutely.
This is where the Royal Ralph thing comes in, where he talks about the resonance and the resonance of health.
But definitely, so you want something that's live and organic.
Anything fresh, live, organic, anything that grows naturally is all part of the natural sort of resonant infrastructure.
Anything that's in a tin, you know, anything that you keep, and you know, foods, for example, that you keep store, unless they're grains and what have you, they tend to lose their energy.
So, the thing is, is about it's fresh, it's real, it's organic, um, and as close to nature as possible.
I've just spent a chunk of my day, let's say, um, making a passata out of fresh tomatoes that I've grown myself.
I've had this good luck this year because of this, this, this unusually warm, I don't know why they allowed us this warm summer, but they decided to allow, haven't they?
And so, I've been making the passata, and I'm thinking it's so much more trouble to make your own passata than it is to get it out of a.
I mean, I buy an expensive tin, but that probably costs about £1.50.
I mean, I reckon I put more than £1.50 worth of work into making my passata, and obviously, it tastes nicer, but so you're saying that it's not just that it tastes nicer and it's satisfying to make, albeit time-consuming, but also that actually it's less toxic.
Is that right?
Well, less toxic, that depends on the ingredients you put in, but it's it's it's a better energy, it's got you'll have a higher quality of nutrients within it, you know, that's less diminishing.
So if you're picking stuff that's fresh and cooking it, yes, it takes longer, but what you're getting out of that, usually you get more, you get more bulk when you cook your own food, but then rather than open in a packet or a tin.
But what you're getting out of that is the highest nutritional and sort of energetic quality of food, as it's meant to be.
And when we have food like that that's fresh, highly nutritious, optimally picked, you need to eat less because you're getting more.
You're satisfying more of those minerals and elements that you need to keep your system metabolizing, to give you the energy.
When we are eating dead food or food that has a very highly processed foods, you've got less of that.
So you need to eat more.
And that's one of the reasons why people are putting on so much weight because they're never satisfied.
They always still feel hungry.
When you eat nutrient-dense, fresh, highly energetic foods, you feel satisfied much more quickly.
And it lasts longer within your system.
I tell you what else I've noticed.
Every time now I put some non-raw milk into my tea or my coffee or whatever, I think you're actually just drinking dead stuff.
There's nothing there, is there?
It's just all the nutrients have been killed in pasteurized milk.
It's been reconstituted, hasn't it?
It's been taken from the cow and interfered with and reconstituted sort of thing.
So do we get real?
The modernization.
Yes.
The particles actually do you harm, don't they?
They do and they're breaking up the natural order.
They're changing.
They're rearranging everything.
So it's just really simple.
There's nothing complicated about survival.
You just look at nature and take, you know, because I believe we live in a garden that we've been given to live in, you know, this part of being here on earth.
And so we have everything we need around us, you know, that will do us good.
So when you start over, I mean, there's something about cooking amazing meals and being creative and sort of, you know, presentation and flavours, but eating fresh, eating as it grows, eating locally, it's all designed to complement our body's needs, to support us.
Yes.
You say it's simple, but of course, it's also very, very complicated because they, the people who run the world, have made it so that it's really weird.
I mean, like, how many people, for example, can have the space to grow enough tomatoes to have surplus to make plasata?
And that's just one tiny.
Actually, how many people have time to prepare their own food, their own dinners from scratch?
Do you talk to normal people?
Yes, of course.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
But it's a phenomenon, like you've pointed out in your other podcast.
You know, this has been going on for a very long time.
You know, we have been gradually brought away from our more natural way of being.
So we've been brought into towns, been brought into industrial areas.
So we live in flats, we live in areas where you haven't got a garden anymore.
You know, during the war or before the war, everybody had a garden of sorts and everybody grew something, but now we don't.
And we've lost that, we're rapidly losing that connection that we've had with growing our own food and that relationship that you have when you grow your own food with the seasons, with what grows when, what's good for you, you know, etc.
So it does feel very deliberate.
Know it seems to be all we are being funneled into this corral gradually, very slowly.
It's like that, like people say, the slowly boiling frog, bit by bit by bit by bit.
We're being sort of, I'm going to say dehumanized because it's very, very much part of our human existence to have a relationship with the land and with our food and with each other and to sort of have more time to do communal things like cooking together or just sharing time together.
We spend most of our time very deliberately, it feels to me, consumed with survival in a way that we shouldn't be, it shouldn't be like that.
But going, you know, so many hours spent in front of the screen or so many hours at work and just not with not enough socializing time, which is very important part of our health and well-being as well.
So it seems that all that's being dripped away.
And you said before about the weather, there's the cloud seeding.
There's an attempt to interfere with the growth process of plants, of our natural harvests and what have you, to sort of destroy this sort of natural rhythm and this natural world that we belong to.
We have natural bodies, our consciousness is within a body.
So therefore, we're in a natural world in which we extend within.
But all of that's being slowly taken away, slowly, you know, the oxygen's being drawn out of the whole, you know, of our whole life, you know, lifestyle, etc.
Yeah, I can't remember whether I've mentioned this on a podcast, but I was having a chat with somebody the other day and he was talking about how, as you know, I live in the country and you live in Dorset.
Lime Regis, I'm in Lyme Regis.
Ah, yeah, because we had the conversation, didn't we, about Mary Ann and fake dinosaurs?
Have you looked into that one?
Oh, well, yes, yes.
I mean, I never like to say it out loud because I'm living here in Lyme Regis, and of course, it is sort of famous for all of that.
And you can certainly go to the beach and pick up sort of fossils and ammonites and things.
But definitely the dinosaur aspect, you know, from a few bones they fleshed out and coloured and created these amazing things.
So I'm not quite sure on that one.
I just like people to know that I'm not an ammonite denier.
In fact, give me one second, Heather.
Amazing.
Yes, I am not.
Yes, this one came from Morocco.
I suppose it could have been chipped away by circled.
Well, maybe, but you can find them all over the place.
You can find them.
And that shape apparently is a very important shape, sort of the whole, the way it spirals out, apparently.
I was reading something, but I can't remember all the details, but it's a very important situation.
I'm sure it's something to do with fractal or something.
It's a manifestation of God.
You look at it and the proportions and everything else.
So it's one thing.
This is where the dinosaur normies try to get you.
They say, well, look, do you not believe in fossils?
Well, I mean, I believe that.
Of course, yeah.
Do I believe in, I mean, do I believe in fossils?
I'm not sure that I'm not sure where these things came from or whether the time scale that we're taught to think of is actually.
I think that's probably bollocks as well.
But going back to Lyme Regis, the Anning family were a bunch of shysters, weren't they?
They were basically sort of con artist Dorset crooks who can I say that here while I'm living here.
I don't know.
Shall I say it?
But have you have you heard this theory?
I have heard it.
Yes, of course I have.
You hear lots of different things, but yes, you know, there's and we don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
I wasn't living around at the time.
I know nobody who knew her or the family.
So it's conjecture, isn't it?
But I don't know.
Yeah, I suppose you don't want the mob with pitchforks saying, don't you want to adorn it?
I don't know.
The real truth is, I don't know.
I've not looked into it that deeply.
But yes, I think, I do think when you look at the dinosaur aspects, it is odd that dinosaur bones, but none have been found since.
And there is a sort of, I suppose, a question mark over it.
But I don't know what that, you know, how I would expand on that.
I'm not.
No, you don't need to.
You just take it from me.
They're completely made up bollocks.
I know some people I get.
I've even been taken to task by some of my relatives for being a dinosaur.
I say, I believe in dragons.
Dragons definitely exist.
Dinosaurs just made up by charlatans in the main 19th century.
And they do tricks to reinforce.
So every few years, the Natural History Museum will say, it's amazing.
We found an even bigger megalobolicosaurus.
It's just like this dwarfs our previous specimens.
So they'll introduce the new megalobolicosaurus into the main display gallery just to keep people's interests alive.
Bigger, better, faster, more.
I don't think they've ever found a whole thing.
I think they find bones, don't they?
I don't think, but I'm not sure if they've ever found a whole species.
Well, if they had, no, because if they had, Heather, it would mean that dinosaurs were real.
They haven't.
They haven't found any of the any of this stuff.
But I was thinking, I was watching that Kevin Costner series.
You probably don't watch TV, so you wouldn't know about it.
About a ranch.
I forget the name, but in one of the early episodes, one of the cowboy characters finds in his garden this dinosaur skeleton thing.
And it looks like they tell you what it looks like.
So you see this almost perfectly preserved dinosaur skeleton.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, that's what they do.
Anyway, that digression, it started when I said we both live in the country.
And somebody pointed out to me that until quite recently, every village would have this old bloke who had a background in farming and stuff and knew about gardening and could advise you on all these things and you could get him to do a bit of work in your garden and he had an allotment and he was the stalwart of the allotment and you have all this knowledge.
Which is really important.
I've been finding now I've started, I've set up my first no-dig border patch this year.
I've been starting to experiment with gardening properly.
And what you realize is that so much of this is about tips that get passed on from gardener to fellow gardener.
For example, here's one thing I learned this year, which I have not seen in a book.
You know, when you get, say, you don't grow your tomato plant from seed, but you buy it from the garden center, and the plant's a bit leggy.
And you think, oh, that's really annoying.
I wish I'd wish I'd grown my own.
You can actually plant that plant well below the root base.
You can plant it sort of halfway up.
And what happens is the tomato plant will love this.
It'll put down more roots out of the side.
So you get a much healthier plant.
Now, I've never seen that in a book.
I got taught that by a fellow gardener.
There's stuff you pick up.
Like my shallots this year have been really, really shit.
And the reason they've been really, really shit is that I made the mistake of planting at the back of my patch.
And then I put some beans in front of them.
And the beans starved them of their light.
Yes.
And they withered and just produced these tiny shallots, which are negative tomandel bees because they're a real bucket of peel and stuff.
So next year, I'm going to make sure they get plenty of light.
Now, it would have been so much easier if I'd had old Joe to say to me, ah, you don't want to be doing that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My granddad was just a gardener.
Yeah, like that.
He worked for the big house, but he was a gardener.
But I never had contact with him because dad was in the RAF.
But that was, he was just like you described, he just knew everything.
And we would go and stay with him and we would have peas that tasted incredible from the garden and potatoes.
Everything was incredibly beautiful and flavorful.
But yes, but I agree with you.
And it's all part of this breaking down, dispersing that information so that it's not there for us to have, to hang on.
It's just, you know, we're losing that autonomy that we would have.
It's creating a dependence, isn't it?
Your dam was in the RAF.
Mine was in the RAF.
I've become aware recently that the RAF is really quite dodgy.
Yes, yes, yes.
People from, I don't know what, it's got connections with the bad people.
I don't know why.
Yes, yeah.
I think Fraser Nelson's dad was in the RAF.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, anyone with, particularly intelligence is a red flag.
But have you come across this one?
Yes, I have.
I mean, we found this, yes, dad was a chief technician in the RAF.
And my brother and I have spoken about this, you know, since we've grown up.
And something happened to dad.
He almost had a breakdown.
And he became extremely, excessively religious just before he left the RAF.
But we know that dad knew something he could never talk about that completely distressed and disturbed him almost existentially, but you know, where he was sort of became this overzealous, religious person.
I mean, he was very good at what he did and he was very involved.
He joined from when he was about 16.
But yeah, definitely, I agree there was something he was at Nita's head, he was up in Norfolk.
And we just feel that he because he was very secretive.
He would never ever talk about his work.
But we are inclined to agree that there was something that he saw that really freaked him out, existentially freaked him out.
Isn't that weird?
I mean, I like casting flies and seeing whether there's going to be any bite.
Isn't it weird that I felt compelled to mention that thing?
Because we're talking about aromatherapy, but how weird?
Because obviously the RAF was involved in the Linmouth, was it Lynmouth in Devon?
The disaster where that was one of the early experiments in cloud seeding where people got drowned.
I think about 30 people got drowned.
But yeah, I'm glad you've confirmed that.
And your dad's behavior.
I was thinking, I instantly thought of the behaviour of Johnny Cash in his last years, where he became very Christian and was clearly trying to make amends for stuff he'd seen and done.
I mean, all major music stars have sold their soul.
I mean, it probably explains Bob Dylan's alleged conversion as well.
But Johnny Cash, there was a man who clearly thought his soul was in danger and was trying to make amends.
And it sounds like your dad.
Or they were very afraid.
Yeah, maybe something that sort of instilled a great deal of fear and anxiety.
So you're looking for certainty, grounding, security.
And I guess like throwing yourself into God and into faith.
There's a safety, a sense of safety in that.
So maybe it's something you've witnessed or that you're aware of.
Maybe it's not something you've done.
But then again, if you're in that, I suppose you see yourself as a participant, no matter what you do, if you have a conscience.
So yes, yeah, I think that's dad's story.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sensing you're not a Christian.
We were brought up as Christians.
We were brought up as Anglo-Catholics.
And then Dad, in his conversion, became a Jehovah's Witness.
And he became very extreme.
To me, it was very extreme.
And I was very young.
I was 10 or 11 when he did that.
And we used to go to Bible classes and what have you as children.
We learned all about paradise.
But it didn't resonate with me, even as a child.
And I think it created confusion because it was how can you believe in this aspect of religion and the Bible and then change?
Why does it change?
And so that created a question mark in me about the Bible, about so it was like, there's so many versions, you know, what's going on.
So dad wanted me to be a Jehovah's Witness and I couldn't step.
I love my dad ever so much.
We were very, very, he was my rock.
He was everything to me, but I just, it just didn't resonate with me.
He was, I don't know if it was his overzealousness or, but it didn't resonate with me.
So it caused a lot of conflict.
You're not the first person I've come across who has kind of been put off Christianity by the sort of the version that was served on them in their chart.
You get this with quite a lot of Catholics.
Yeah.
Yeah, Jehovah's Witness is quite, it's quite hardcore.
So I can see why it could drive off as many people as it kind of inspires.
Yeah, my brother was Jehovah's Witness.
I mean, I love my dad, I love my brother.
And my brother and I got on extremely well.
And we had some amazing conversations.
He was very much, we were very much on the same page.
But what it did for me was it made me, as a, I remember dad following me around with the Bible one day, reading me the word of God.
I was a teenager, I was about 15.
It's like reading me the word of God.
And he was obsessively, you've got to hear this.
And I remember freaking out and shouting at him, fuck off.
I don't believe in your fucking God.
And I went to the bedroom and slammed the door.
And I stood behind the door really shocked because I'd sworn at my dad.
I'd torn him the fuck off.
But what it did was it shocked me.
And I realized, but I do believe.
I do believe in God.
But I don't believe in that.
I don't know what I believe, but I do believe.
I just had this absolute assertion and felt it.
It was like when I said, I don't believe, it struck this chord within me.
Like it didn't feel right to say I don't believe.
Because as a child, I've always had a sense of presence or there being more and not being able to sort of explain or know what that was.
But I do believe.
So then that set me off on my own journey.
So I learned to meditate.
I learnt because it says in the Bible, God is within.
You know, God is within you.
You find it's there.
It's there.
It's present.
God is omnipresent, omniscient.
God is within everything that's created within us.
And the place to find God is within.
It's not in a church.
It's within.
It's not in a religion.
It's within.
I mean, religions of, to me, all religions to a certain extent have been bandwagoned.
You know, even Christianity has been bandwagoned and sort of corrupted because it's used as a vector of control.
But it doesn't mean to say, but the thing is, it's like the Trojan horse thing.
There is truth in Christianity.
There's truth in the Bible.
But it's shrouded with ulterior intention in one way or another.
But we have so learning to meditate was, for me, it validated my connection with my sense of God within because I'd sit and gave it space and then experienced what it felt like to sit and give it that space because it changes, it doesn't change anything.
It opens your awareness in a way you can't, it's not a tangible, it's experiential.
It's like prayer or the spiritual experience or spirituality.
It's experiential beyond words.
So you can't always express it in words, but it's there.
It's undeniable.
Yeah, There'll be loads of Christians going, yeah, this is new age meditation.
What it even says in the Bible?
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, my policy is on Christianity is don't frighten the horses and don't judge because I think it's up to God to judge.
I really, really can't be doing with judgy Christians telling you you're not doing it right.
So I'm not gonna, I'm not, I'm not gonna get on your case, Heather.
Thank you.
But there is a God, there is a creator.
You know, that is that's the fundamental truth, isn't that, to me?
Totally, just look around.
I mean, it's obvious that Big Bang is bollocks and evolutionary theory is masonic Illuminati bollocks and so on.
Anyway, so going back to aromatherapy.
Now, I'm sure I remember reading some bad things about aromatherapy, like you're not meant to be exposed to essential oils or something or other.
Tell me about the bad things that people say about that.
Well, the bad things are they can be highly toxic.
They can be poisonous.
You know, you have to use them with caution and care.
You know, they're highly concentrated extracts from plants.
So within the plant, you have very small amounts of essential oil along with flavonoids and saponins and other elements within the plant.
So if you eat a plant, a herb or a food or a plant that's got essential oils in, you're consuming the essential oil in a minute quantity, but in the context of being with all of those other things which can act as a counterbalance to any toxicity or irritation.
Because essential oils, when they're extracted from the plant, are highly, highly concentrated.
They're highly volatile.
And they're actually, they can cause damage to your internal organs if you take them internally.
So they need to be done in high dilution and with extreme caution because they can irritate the mucous membrane, they can irritate the digestive system, and they can overload the liver because your body has to excrete it, excrete that high concentration of toxin.
So yeah, everything, it's like everything, you just have to use it with caution.
Use with caution and sensibly, they're amazing.
So you never drink essential oils.
No way, no, no, no.
I do not advocate the internal.
You can.
I mean, a lot of medicines, a lot of remedies will have essential oils within them, but it's the context in which you take them.
It's the amount that you use and the reason why you're using them.
You need to have a good understanding of the way the metabolism works.
So as a lay person, I am not creating medicines as such to take internally.
And as lay people, I think we don't have enough understanding to it's dangerous to take them internally.
I have, somebody very, very kindly gave me at one of my events some oregano oil.
And I know lots of people swear by oregano oil, but presumably that's not an essential oil.
That's a different thing.
Oregano is an essential oil.
It depends on whether it's in a base medium.
So essential oils can be put into a base medium, a vegetable oil, coconut oil.
It could be in a base medium, I'm sure.
Yes, if it's in a base medium, then it's dilute And it's been done professionally, you know, done considerately, then like food, and like any food that you take, it shouldn't do you any harm.
The thing is, you don't just, you know, you would do yourself harm just to take the pure essential oil.
The term essential oil is misleading.
They're not oil-like.
They don't mix with water.
So they look like oil, so they'll float on the top or they'll stink to the bottom.
But they are not compatible with water.
So calling them essential oils gives the impression that they might be like ordinary oil, which is quite soothing to the skin, but they're not.
They're irritant, highly irritant.
They can cause sensitization.
This is why I wrote my books, because going back to the bandwagon and the over-trivialization, you know, we have gone through phases where essential oils have been put across as being something you can splash on all over and drink.
You know, there's certain multi-level marketing companies that suggest that you put them drops in water and drink.
Well, the essential oil isn't going to mix with water.
You're going to get raw essential oil hitting your mucous membrane and causing damage.
And it may not be immediate, it can be cumulative.
Once you've hit a point of sensitization, it's too late then.
So in sort of kickback to all of that, I felt a responsibility to write my books in a way to explain this is how you use essential oils sensibly.
This is what they are.
Understand what they are, then you'll know how to use them.
But I think it's been very dangerous, this over-trivialization, because yes, you know, they can be fatal, especially to children.
You've got to be very, very careful.
Presumably, people have been extracting essential oils for hundreds of thousands of years.
Yeah.
For what purpose?
Well, often for the scent, I mean, there's lots of reference in the Bible to plants, scented plants and essential oils.
Myr.
Personally, hyssop, and I should be clean.
Yes, yes, yes.
So for the scent, and also they would have extracted them differently.
In ancient times, the essential oils were extracted using sort of an oil, maybe olive oil or animal fat.
So you steep the plant material into the fat and allow the essential oils to, through osmosis, permeate the oil.
And then you take out the plant material and you're left with what they call an ungent or like an ointment or an oil, if it was in olive oil, seeped or soaked or with the essential oils instilled within them.
So they would use them on their skin.
They'd use them as healing salves, etc.
It was only later that they used distillation to sort of separate, you know, steam to separate out the molecules where you're just left with just the molecules, just the molecules of essential oils in their, I guess, raw state.
Yeah.
Well, I suppose you need the quality glass to be able to do that.
Quality glass.
Well, I mean, to be able to distillation is only possible if you've got the right vessels.
Yeah, I've got a copper vessel here.
It's just, it's the process.
It's a process.
So you put, so, you know, you create heat.
You've got water with a cage that you put the plant material in.
So the heat creates steam and breaks open the plant molecules.
Then the molecules are carried in the steam.
Then steams cooled down and as it condenses it goes back to water and then because essentials don't mix with water you can siphon them off as a separ separate from the water.
So is it easy?
Yes, very easy.
You can do it at home.
Absolutely.
Yes, yes, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And so when you've got your essential oils, what do you do with them?
Well, it depends on what you want to do with them.
So I've got a bottle there of hemp.
No, that's lemon.
I've got hemp seed and I've got, I've just been, I've just been writing an article about hemp and lemon, so I've got them here in front of me.
What do I do with them?
I dilute them.
So I will put them into vegetable oil and use them for massage.
So like I said before, I use them for their psycho-emotional qualities.
So personally, I get, you know, my clients come for a massage.
They usually come because they're stressed or because they've got anxiety or because they just want to relax.
So we select essential oils that match their need.
We do it together because individually our sense of smell tells us what's good for us.
And then we use it as a massage oil.
Or you can use them in creams and lotions to soothe skin.
Or you can create ointments to heal.
They're very good at wound healing.
They assist with wound healing.
Which one?
Which essential oil?
Essential oils for wound healing.
Lavender is a famous one.
Chamomile, helicrym, many of them actually.
Bergamot's a good, you know, the qualities of essential oils, the main qualities of essential oils is that they work with the integumentary system, the skin system.
So they work with the immune system.
So when you inhale them, they support the immune system.
They act as repellents.
So they're anti-inflammatory.
They will reduce infection.
So they sort of help the immune system to combat infection and what have you.
So they've got multiple uses in terms of healing, skincare.
And they do heal internally, but used appropriately.
But they penetrate through the skin and you can inhale them in minute quantity and they go into the system via the alveoli in the lungs.
They go into the circulatory system that way.
So just minute quantities.
So we've got receptor sites within the body.
We've got olfactory receptor sites in the limbic system at the top of the nose that reach into the limbic system, but also throughout the body.
So we're kind of wired to pick up essential oils through the food we eat, through medicines, through, you know, through absorbing them.
Yeah, I would just.
I was just wondering, you say that we can sort of, well, things passing the sniff test, I suppose, that we know instinctively what's good for us, what we need at any particular time.
And it varies from individual to individual.
But do we know it as well as we used to?
I mean, for example, because of our senior But messed up with by what calcified by what is it?
What is it that calcifies the pineal gland?
Whatever they call it.
Oh, it's electromagnetic energy and what have you and stuff.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, I think in the maybe fluoride and other things, I think.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Do you think we're less well placed to know what's good for us than we used to be?
Yes, I do.
I do.
And this is why I've journeyed back into it because it's my way back in.
And we have, as we said before, we've come away.
But however, we are wired.
We are still, it's still there instinctively within us.
We've spent centuries and centuries and centuries foraging for food.
So that there is an innate part of our being.
You know, we smell things, we use our senses.
So we know up to a certain note instinctively.
We know we have an intuition.
We have a gut instinct about things.
We know you can just, without understanding why, you can say, well, that doesn't feel right.
So that's still always there within us.
We don't use it enough.
We need to listen to it more.
We need to practice that more.
But I don't think, you know, got to be careful about, you've got to balance it with knowledge and intuition.
You can't just, you know, you need to understand what their qualities are, you know, what it is that you're doing with anything, really.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was just thinking.
When I was younger, we used to go off and stay with some friends who had this farmhouse in Somerset.
And I remember going there once, and for whatever reason, I had completely lost my sense of smell.
And you'd think that losing your sense of smell, well, you know, if I could sacrifice any one of the senses, I think probably the most dispensable is probably smell.
You know, that's for dogs.
Yes.
Scent balance and stuff.
But what I found was that my, it was as if the landscape had changed completely.
It was unrecognizable.
This house that I'd been to many times, like the smell of the oil-fired aga-type thing, for example.
But it was, I felt like I'd lost my map.
Yes.
I felt rudderless.
We take it for granted, don't we?
We do, but it's like losing your sight or losing your hearing.
It's all part of our sensory way of feeling our way in the world, of sort of registering ourselves within the world.
So it does, it's sort of, and the sense of smell is linked to the sense of taste and sort of our, you know, sort of emotionally as well.
It's sort of, it has such an impact on us that, you know, when you lose that, it's sort of, it dulls everything.
It takes the colour out of everything in a way.
So, so yes, yes, it's very significant, very important.
Yeah.
Oh, before I forget, what's good for bites, from Azzibites and things, and flea bites?
Lavender, tea tree.
I would say those two.
Yeah, lavender or tea tree.
I use those.
Oh, you can use what like there's tea tree oil, which I've probably got a bottle somewhere.
I mean, it's quite, it's quite intense.
Can you just shove it on the on the bite?
And that will.
As I said before, we were talking about not fitting essentials neat on the skin, and you shouldn't generally.
But tea tree and lavender tend to be the exception when they're used as first aids.
So you don't use them all the time.
So you could put just a little drop, a little drop on a tissue or on your finger and just put it onto the bite.
Obviously, you're using it for a limited time too.
So you don't do that every day all the time.
So in limited circumstances, you can put lavender or tea tree on a bite and it sort of takes out the inflammation as well.
Lavender particularly takes up the inflammation and it stops any infection.
It reduces it.
What about sunburn?
Sunburn, I would use a base oil, so a vegetable oil with a little tiny bit of vegetable oil.
Yeah, we're encouraged not to eat vegetables.
Is it okay to put it in your skin?
Because isn't it horribly recoverable?
Yeah, no, no, there's some beautiful.
They're very good at skin for the skin.
Olive oil, calendula.
Olive oil, yeah, but olive oil.
But I mean generic vegetable oil.
That's different, isn't it?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You use the proper stuff.
You use genuine stuff.
So, so, yes.
So, I use olive oil, coconut oil, or yojoba, which is a which is a wax.
So, yes, and you can put one or two drops of, can also make an ointment with beeswax and oil so that you can keep that in a jar and use it, add lavender and lavender and tea tree, or maybe a drop of lemon.
And they are anti-infectious and skin healing.
So, they're cicotric, chamomile, helicrym.
They're good at healing the skin, damage to the skin as well.
It's been a really bad year for chamomile this year.
My wife went to some people who grow chamomile and they've lost 75% of their crop this year.
Talking about the weather manipulation.
I know, but yes, it's worrying.
Very worrying.
It is, I think, this is a consequence of us having this summer, this summer sunshine.
I think it's been devastating to the crops because it's dried the land out.
So, yes, which is, I find it all very disturbing, very worrying.
But, yeah, so hence we need to try and grow our own food as much as we can in controlled ways, I suppose.
Because if you have those tunnels or greenhouses, you can control the environment more, can't you?
You're not beholden to the external environment as much, but we certainly need to get growing our own food.
Yeah, but just going back to that one, so I've got the use of a walled garden.
I've got the use of an 18th-century pineapple house, which most people have the use of.
Yeah, I use that for my tomatoes.
And what's the net result of this?
Okay, so the other night I had, apart from the beef, which I didn't grow myself, I had 100% homegrown.
Well, actually, and the olive oil, I didn't grow the olives, but I use spaghetti squash.
Have you ever tried spaghetti squash?
No, no.
I used it like it's a squash, right?
And you bake it, and I used it as a substitute for spaghetti because when it's cooked, you extract it and it forms these strands.
Yes, yes.
And you think, oh, God, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to eat squash instead of nice pasta.
But actually, it does the job.
You're not sitting there thinking, where's the pasta?
It's really good.
But I grew all this stuff and great.
Well done, me.
And the garlic.
My garlic's been really good.
And some of the, yeah, I use the shillots and stuff.
But I'm thinking it's only really August, one month out of the year that probably I would be able to survive on just about.
So that leaves 11 months where I'm dependent on the food supply system, the Dutch greenhouse matched mass glass houses and stuff.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's hard.
Being self-sufficient is virtually impossible.
It is.
It's very, very difficult.
You need to have a lot of land to do that.
And then, you know, to grow a variety of things.
But we can grow, we can become specialists and grow what we can.
And also there's the thing about eating locally grown foods and seasonal foods as well, because it all the environment, we're affected by the environment, the weather, the conditions.
And so eating foods that grow in certain conditions and environments that we live within complement our body's needs as well at the time.
And these days, like you say, it's impossible to be pure, you know, to be pure.
We have to just mix and match a lot.
But it's better to err on, my feeling is to err on the side of doing the best you can with what you've got and build on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you treat people, you treat them mainly for emotional things like depression.
Yes, yeah.
I think you have to have boundaries around what you do and how you work.
So I deliberately set myself up in that sort of I'm using massage as a vehicle and I'm sort of working on relaxation.
So I stay within that because that's a safe and sensible boundary in terms of using the essential oils.
If my clients need anything else, this is why I like the whole integrative aspect of knowing where there's an osteopath, knowing where there's an acupuncturist or a nutritionalist, so that we refer clients to each other.
So then you get the holistic health.
So yes, I focus on deep relaxation and moving the lymph system, work with the energy with meridians.
So it's, yes, so deep relaxation often is quite significant because even if we sit down and relax, we're not completely relaxed.
We're always thinking, I've got to do this or I've got to do that.
But if somebody comes and volunteers to come for a massage, they switch off completely.
They surrender for an hour or so.
And you get that lovely deep relaxation.
And then using the massage and the essential oils, the essential oils will be absorbed by the skin.
So it's the combination of touch and positive touch, intentional touch, and the essential oils working together.
Very, very simple, but very, very effective.
I'm suddenly dying for a pee.
Yeah, sorry about that.
I've just, I've just, I know I'm not as old as you, Hannah, but we look at the same age.
I've just turned 60.
And what I've noticed is I've been swigging away my water because I, which has got some, what's the milk thistle in it?
I don't know whether that makes any difference to it.
Mike, yes.
What you find is that when you've got to go, you've really got to go, you don't get much time to hold it back.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, you were talking about massaging and about how well I can imagine that you take people to a I mean, how many, how many I don't like falling asleep when I'm being given a massage, but I almost do, but I don't like doing it.
How many of your clients?
90%.
90% can fall asleep.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Maybe even more.
In fact, most of them, they do.
And I love it because their bodies are just relaxed.
You know that you've hit the spot when they go to sleep because they're deep.
Oh, maybe.
Can I, can I, if I come down to Dorset, can I, give me a.
Come down here.
Yeah.
Come to my parlour.
I'll sort you out.
Well, so I see you're coming down on a fossil hunting expedition to see if you can find a bigger dinosaur to go into the natural history museum.
So on the way, perhaps I could calm myself after having got the dinosaur out of the cliffs.
You could that would be good.
Yes, please do.
What you said about how you recommend in the holistic world, you pass clients onto one another.
And I've really noticed this, and it's one of the things I absolutely love about my natural health friends.
They're very, very generous and open and ego-free.
So if one person's not having a success with, they'll go, well, hang on a second.
This person might be the one for your particular problem that you've got.
It's because we're healers.
We're healing.
And so it's not about a shop where you've got customers coming in and you need to make what we're doing.
Yes, we do need to cover our costs and sort of make a living, but at the same time, we couldn't do what we're doing.
I couldn't do what I'm doing if I didn't, you know, wasn't honest about my limitations.
You know, I don't want to capture clients just because I want them to stay with me.
We have to be honest.
And also, I want this kind of system to be our generalized healthcare system.
I want this to be the normal.
The way that biomedicine's taken over and sort of separated the body into different components, not looking at it as a whole thing.
We have to sort of treat medicine as a holistic, like the body, as a holistic.
And every aspect has a different way in.
So acupuncture might be necessary because you need to do something.
You need to shift something quite deep or rebalance the energetic system.
I mean, I do work with, I work along meridian lines, but I'm not doing it in a specifically sort of remedial way for a particular condition.
I don't do that.
I know that as soon as I'm touching somebody, I'm crossing over.
Obviously, I'm going to be affecting the meridians and the metabolism and the nervous system.
It's all integrated.
But if somebody comes with particular conditions that I know I can't do, like, for example, if people come to me with whiplash or they think because I'm massaging, I can sort of manipulate, and I don't do that.
So I send them to the osteopath to do that.
And then they come back to me because, you know, if we can keep the muscles relaxed, it's more less likely that they're going to sort of go into that spasm again.
So we all have a place, a very important part to play.
And I'm very keen to encourage that.
We need to be setting that foundation as much as we can now of this integrative approach to health and well-being.
It's weird, isn't it?
Or actually, it's not weird.
It's entirely understandable given the way that we're programmed.
But I think if you talk to most people about health prior to the invention of so-called modern medicine, they would look at anything pre-the late 19th century as quack or witchcraft.
People just didn't know before modern medicine came along.
And surgeons were also barbers and they were just butchers and leeches.
And everything we know about the medicine of well, the treatments of the past, we are encouraged to believe stupid, superstitious, wrong.
I suspect that probably if you went back in the past, they probably knew more about how to look after our health.
I'm sure every village would have had a healer or two.
I would say so.
Like you said about the gardeners, there's always that, you know, in every community there would be a healer, whether that's a male or a female, somebody who's learned about the herbs, learned about what cures this and what cures that, or how to set a bone.
That would have been an important part, an important role in any tribe or community.
But I think it all got messy, I think, when you start sort of bringing in things, you know, because there are things that have been used that have been highly toxic before, you know, mercury, what was that about?
I don't know.
Leeches, you know, blood sucking.
There are certain aspects of that which they like to hone in on to say, see, they just were stupid.
But that was just one small small part.
But yes, we have come away from that.
We've been encouraged to go down this sort of biomedical route that takes us away from our own intrinsic knowledge, as well as the local, well, they would have been called witches, but we have been burned as a witch, Heather.
I was burned as a witch, yeah.
A long time ago.
All the women treating me would have been burned as witches, which is very sad, because they're all jolly nice.
But it was only because of that, you know, there's been this sort of takeover of this wanting to control people, systems, medicine, you know, medicine's just the system, isn't it, that's that's used to control.
But and there's good stuff.
There's good stuff.
The thing is, we would never go back to where we were before all of this because we've learned a lot as well, you know, and there are good elements to biomedicine, particularly emergency stuff.
But with the chronic, with chronic illness and maintaining wellness, it's not good.
I mean, it's mostly toxic, unfortunately.
You know, the medicines that we're given are mostly toxic.
So we need to strike a balance.
We need to pull out the good positive, and there are good positive elements to biomedicine and marry it up.
Again, an integrative healthcare system would have all of it.
The positive elements of surgery or accident and emergency.
There's so much we can sort of bring together to make a really good, holistic, integrative system.
Well, it's quite interesting, isn't it, that the Illuminati, like, look at King Charles, as we must learn to call him.
He's massively into homeopathy.
I bet he never got the shots, the death jabs.
I don't believe he's got cancer.
I think that's hard of a part of the site.
Why would he use homeopathy if it didn't work?
Yes.
Well, yes, it does work, doesn't it?
Yes.
It's weird how much it works.
It really ought not to.
And you get Mitchell and Webb taking the piss out of it.
Well, my thing's coming up saying we're reconnecting.
I don't know if we've lost connection.
Oh, dear.
Oh, no, it's gone now.
I hope not.
It's gone.
It's your primitive rustic internet, which is even obviously in Dorset, it's even worse than.
Well, in Lyme Readers, I have to admit, in Lion Readers, we're in a kind of a bubble, a basin, and so it isn't always good.
We don't always get a good connection here.
It'll be the energy emanating from the dinosaur bones.
Probably, yes, yes, yeah.
You need to rub a few together.
Yeah, exactly.
So I was going to ask you something before I got distracted by my stupid, my stupid, just taking remarks.
So if what do you find?
Oh, no, I was going to ask you.
Yeah, yeah.
I was going to ask you.
Do you find that people are...
Do you ever, ever wake up normers?
Do you...
Do you find that you get clients who've been recommended to you and they suddenly start realising stuff after you've treated them?
Do you have any?
No.
Well, you know, most people come to me because they resonate with what I do anyway.
So if I was, yeah, so most people come to me voluntarily because they're into what I do.
So most people come a kind of, but not everybody's on the same.
I mean, I had to make a decision very early on about the whole vaccine issue and whether I would, you know, because obviously I'm in contact.
And during lockdown, of course, we were all closed down.
So I stopped what I was doing.
It wasn't the COVID that was worrying me.
It was the vaccines afterwards.
What you mean, you might be, you might, by touching people with them, you might.
Yes, I had to make a decision.
I had to decide, well, what am I going to do?
Because I don't know if there is such a thing as shedding.
I don't know.
I don't know enough.
I don't know what's going on.
I think it's potential.
There's a potential for it.
But I don't know how resilient my body is.
I don't know.
I haven't had the vaccines myself.
But I made a conscious decision and I just thought, well, we're all in this together, to be honest with you.
Whether you have the vaccine or not, we're all affected by it.
If there is shedding, that's going to happen whether I'm standing in the bank queue or the supermarket queue.
If we're all coming into contact with each other, we can't avoid it now.
It's unavoidable.
I haven't and won't ever have something put directly into my body like that.
That's my choice.
But sometimes we have conversations as part of the consultation or just generally in conversation.
And I will express my views, but not in a kind of preachy way.
It's just like, well, I haven't had the vaccine or, you know, just general comments because I don't think, like you said before, it's not my place to preach or to try and convert anybody.
It's about embracing we are all in this together.
And we've just, you know, I feel that I do the best I can to help people.
One of the things that has happened a lot, I've noticed, is that there's a higher incidence of anxiety, depression.
Whereas a percentage of my clients would come with a bit of anxiety, now nearly all of them are saying they're on antidepressants or anti-anxiety.
It's really, really worrying.
So I feel at least I can do something.
I can help.
And I can show you that you can do this, you know, but this is a natural process, what we're engaging in here.
Your body has the capacity to heal itself, to look after itself in the right way, in the right context, given the right opportunity.
And essential oils, I'm just doing this research into hemp oil.
It's anti-anxiety.
And it really works.
And again, this is part of relaxing the client.
They let go.
The massage soothes them.
But the essential oils do work psycho-emotionally.
They absolutely do work.
Whether they believe it or not, it's sort of beyond belief because they're chemicals.
So yes, it helps if you believe in what you're doing, but actually they work irrespective of it as well.
I watch the results myself.
I think presumably hemp oil works on the same principles as CBD, doesn't it?
Yes, up to a point.
It doesn't have, obviously isn't psychotrophic in the same way.
It doesn't have the same, it doesn't have the, but it's like, yeah, it's I, Spike Nard's another one I use.
That's a root oil or Valerian, but they work similarly.
They work on the nervous system.
So they are deeply relaxing.
They're very good anti-anxiety, you know, that anxiety, that stress, that sort of racing heart, that feeling nervous, that's sweating hands.
They're good at calming that down.
So you don't need to take these medications.
And the thing is, it puts the power back in your own hand.
And that's a big part of healing as well, is taking control and having a sense of control and choice.
So you're encouraging people to take responsibility for their own health.
And of course, most of my clients are already doing that because they come to me anyway.
And they're more inclined to go to an osteopath, if you suggest it, or an acupuncturist, because they're already on that page.
So it's not like I'm just sort of talking to people on the street.
Because obviously there are a lot of people who don't agree with what I'm doing or think it's woohoo or it's weird.
It's trivial.
Yeah, you sort of answered my last question for you, really, which was what are the areas that your stuff particularly works on?
It sounds like anxiety.
At the moment, particularly, yes.
Well, I've been quite busy.
Yes.
Yes.
I'm glad to be.
I'm glad to be.
I feel like I want to do something.
This is a thing sort of existentially and sort of generally, you know, this whole thing, we're all in this together.
And I feel a sense of it's a little I can do.
You know, everyone's got their expertise.
We've got farmers.
We've got everybody's got something they can do to create this world that we want to live in or world we want to go back to.
We can never go completely back because we're going to integrate a lot of what we've learned and a lot of what the developments that we've made.
But we have the ability to work together as an, I don't like to use the word alternative, but I don't like the way we're being corralled into this sort of one world government, you know, one currency, one everything.
It's just, it's just, it's dehumanizing.
It's not human.
You know, we need these social interactions.
We need our sensuality.
We need, we thrive in good company.
We thrive in interacting with each other.
So all of this isolation, which is what's going on, sort of, you know, subtly taking everything away from us so that we become dependent on others and not on each other.
You know, we need to sort of re-establish our interaction with each other and support of each other and working with each other.
But we all have, we can't do everything.
We all have a role to play.
This is my role.
It's what I can offer.
And I feel it's almost like a service or something I'm giving back or showing my gratitude.
I'm showing my gratitude for being alive or whatever.
That's where I feel the exchanges and that we can enrich each other and support each other.
Yeah.
Amen.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree.
We're all doing a bit.
Yes.
Even though this is a kind of comedy podcast.
Crazy stuff.
Yeah.
Well, thank you, Heather.
Yeah, thank you for the work you do and for like, thank you for enlightening us on aromatherapy.
Tell us where we can read your book, get hold of your books.
Okay.
Well, they're online.
I've got my latest one is about anxiety, essentials for anxiety.
So that's quite an easy read.
That's just come out.
The others are about nuts and bolts.
So you can get them any bookshop online.
Oh, yes, you've got my book.
Yeah.
So I wrote that book to be as sort of as not too complicated, but as informative as possible.
Like I said, I've written my books so that other people can do it for themselves.
I can't treat everybody and I can't teach everybody, but writing a book or writing articles or putting it out there or doing this kind of thing, you can reach a broader audience.
And it's about helping others to help themselves.
You know, I've dived into essential oils, so I've got a good background information about how to use them.
So let me share that with you so that you can get started on a better platform than I started on, you know, so that you can go straight into it safely and effectively.
Let's get this.
Be careful of that phrase, Heather.
Safe and effective.
Oh, sorry.
Oh, my gosh, no, please.
You see, see, the programming is strong.
Yes, yes, yes.
Very hard.
But it's Trojan horse because it's a good sentiment, you know, safe and effective.
That's what you want.
But it's like within the Barnum statements.
You know, they're being used to sort of like sort of wash over, yeah, sort of like wash our brains.
Before you go, what is your favourite?
I'm glad you mentioned Spike Nard.
Is that how you pronounce it?
Spike Nard.
Spike Nard.
Yeah, it's in the Bible.
Spike Nard comes from Valerian, you say?
It's from the same family.
We use the root, so it comes from the same family.
Yeah, it's less obnoxious because Valerian is extremely, it's got a very sort of strong, almost like rotting peas.
It's got a strong smell, and spike nard's a gentler version of it in terms of the scent.
It's sweeter, I like it.
Can we find it in our gardens?
It depends on the part of the world that you live in.
I'm not sure if we're not sure about Spike Nard.
I think maybe it comes more from India and it depends on the climate.
Yes.
Yeah.
It just, it is one of those things that one finds cropping up in long descriptive passages in novels, for example, set in sort of, I don't know, Hoora's boudoirs or something.
Yes, Spike Nard.
It's used in perfumery as well.
So it's been, yes.
In fact, maybe, does it appear in the Bible?
I think it might do.
It does, it does, yes, yes.
When Jesus is getting his foot massage, isn't that?
Yes, yes, yes.
It would have been.
Yes, yes, yeah.
So probably, it's probably been infused in olive oil or oil because she massages his feet with it.
So, and it would have come from India.
It would have been part of the trade of the day.
So, it was very expensive.
Okay, it's saying we're reconnecting again.
I don't know if we've offered.
Oh, well, let's hope.
You know, 9% uploaded, which is a bit grim, but let's hope that if you leave your computer on, it will eventually catch up and this won't be another disaster where we've never been able to do that.
We've been making a conversation, which is which is lost.
Yes, if it is, it is, it is.
We'll just have to sort of.
Well, one day we'll do it.
We'll do it again.
Heather, thank you for a lovely chat.
Thank you.
I've enjoyed it greatly.
And yeah.
Oh, everyone else.
Like, I appreciate your support greatly.
I particularly appreciate those who make the effort to give me financial support.
It's really hard on Substat.
I'm sure they're limiting the numbers.
Whether you have better luck with Patreon or locals, I don't know.
whether you just want to just buy me a coffee or i mean i increasingly think you just just contact me directly and and and just bung me some bung me some money because the system is it is it is really they're really trying to make it hard but thank you for those who those of you do make the effort and those who don't well thanks for watching anyway and and please keep spreading the word buy me a coffee support my sponsors thank you very much and thank you again heather godfrey thank you very much james thank you thank you
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