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Um welcome to the Delling Pod, Heather Godfrey.
This is our second try.
Yes, yes, yes, we've done it.
We we talked for about like an hour and a half and then and then it didn't record.
And I thought, well, we can't record it again uh immediately afterwards, because it's just like trying to re Well Probably by the magic of um podcasting, we'll have exactly the same conversation.
Um because these things tend to run on the same lines.
We're gonna talk talk about aromatherapy.
Um in which you are an expert.
Okay.
And I think I said to you last time, aromatherapy ha has a kind of bad rap, doesn't it?
It it it it was a sort of it was a thing for a while.
Like when was it?
Was it in the nineties?
I mean it it yeah.
It's been very trivialized, I think.
It's it's the beauty therapy I'm nothing against beauty therapy at all because you can use essential oils as a skin product, but it was kind of bandwagoned in terms of um its popularity, its commercialization, and it became very trivialized, so it's very much sort of splash it on all over, almost drink it.
I mean it's got ridiculous, but yes, but it's much more serious than that.
Yeah.
Well, yes, because I I I remember ages ago going for a few aromatherapy sessions and and and feeling soothed and uh I mean i i i it wasn't an unpleasant experience.
But then anyway, before we go on, tell me tell me about yourself.
Right.
So um I'm an aromatherapist, I'm quite I'm quite old now.
I'm in my 70s.
So um I started my career in aromatherapy.
Trying to.
Um yeah, so I began my journey with uh aromatherapy, mixed up with complimentary medicine and meditation.
So I learned about essential oils in the early 70s and when I learned to meditate and met a group of people through that um who were very much into to alternative medicine as it was called then.
So people like Andrew Lockheed, um Robert Robert Um Tissarand and a number of other people sort of all converged together at that time.
We were in London.
Um so I learned about complementary medicine to start with, which fascinated me.
Um acupuncture, homeopathy, the whole principle, the whole energetic principle of healing.
So I elected to, I suppose, go down more focused on essential oils because that sort of fitted my personality, um, my way of wanting to work.
Um but I did look into all of the others and I did a degree later on in complimentary medicine um and counselling skills because I think that's uh sort of an a a good intricate aspect to have when you're working therapeutically.
So I have a kind of background, my platform is um I suppose energetic medicine in terms of all of the other elements of that involves.
And from that ground, I'm looking at essential oils.
Now I I focus very much on the psychoemotional element of essential oils, but they can be used as we said before, skincare um sort of metabolically um to sort of heal the internal system as well.
Um but I tend to focus on the psychoemotional.
Um I um got married uh after that and then had four children, and so I was sort of in and sort of engrossed in bringing the children up.
Um but then I carried on studying, and when the children grew, I did the degree, then I did a master's in mindfulness and supervision of counsellors, and then I've set up my own practice about 20 or 30 years ago.
Um I've written books, I write articles, um, I sort of I'm a I write articles for magazines.
So I've kind of entrenched myself on this journey.
Um of course life happens along the way, and you know, it's it's sort of balancing everything.
So I've stayed on this path.
Um I found I have found it very enriching.
Um but as I said, it belongs to the in the whole basket of complimentary medicine, that whole philosophy.
Yeah.
Yeah, well that so since I went down the rabbit hole, I've come to appreciate that all allopathic medicine is Rockefeller medicine is bollocks is evil.
Um you obviously realised this a while before I did.
But so you you explored the the gamut of um natural natural medicine.
So what did you do the kinesiology and diet and and all the different forms?
I think it all belongs together.
I don't think you can separate.
I don't think one aspect is better than the other.
I think they all belong together.
So I mean, lifestyle, diet, all comes into to health and well-being.
Um homeopathy, you're you're looking at the sort of subtle elements, then the things like the bone technique.
We're looking at sort of ways to move and to manage our energetics, our energetic system.
You know, we're we're electromagnetic, the earth is electromagnetic.
So everything resonates.
And so everything in that sense has a particular place in terms of healing modalities.
You can come you can come at healing from different angles using um a particular format, uh, depending on what's needed.
So acupuncture is very effective.
I've used acupuncture for myself sometimes when I'm looking for healing.
So it's not just about the central oils.
So I'm quite keen to sort of accentuate that it's a holistic, it's an intricative um approach to medicine.
And yes, I we started recognizing that in the early 70s.
And that obviously people were doing that way before that, but it became much more fashionable in the 80s and 90s, um, or more acceptable.
Um yeah.
I I I sometimes hear this this phrase that we're energetic beings.
W what I uh I I sort of dimly grasp that.
What what what does it mean exactly?
Well, for me that means that we resonate.
Everything resonates, everything.
Everything has a vibration.
So it's not woo-hoo, it's just that you know you can look at quantum physics, we know that everything resonates.
So we are energetic in that we resonate.
We we know we have um a particular energy.
So there are yeah, different different kinds and different forms of energy, but basically it's all from that sort of place of you know, resonating, um resonating sort of fluent fluidly, or whether that resonance is blocks, or um yes.
Maybe I haven't described that well enough, but well, the the I I suppose the problem is that a lot of this stuff has been hijacked by the new age.
Yes.
And and and and and the hippie movement was a lot about yeah my vibrations, man, my my frequency, and it doesn't give me a bad vibe.
And I think what it's done is it's it it's tainted.
Tainted because it's made it's it it's it's captured for for that particular world view um what is actually something that you don't have to be new age to believe in.
Yes, yes, yeah.
No, I agree with you, and that this was all the bandwagoning as well, yes.
I know I mean uh of course I was sort of around in the sort of late 70s when there's the whole hippie thing, early 70s, was I was on the fringe of it.
I was a bit too young to be a total hippie, but I was sort of involved.
So yes, it did get very um you know, far out man, um, and it did sort of separate and and sort of become a thing, and then the new age thing came in, and there are aspects of it which are very valuable.
Um but there are also um let me just turn this thing off, you know.
Something on here that's making a noise.
Um yes, there are aspects that are very valuable, but it has been completely and utterly bandwagoned and trivialized, and I agree with you about the new age it becomes because it goes to extreme.
The new age thing goes to such extremes um that it it can put a lot of people off.
It's very difficult to understand, it's very difficult for it to be tangible.
And that's one of the reasons I like essential oils, is because you can scientifically, they're tangible, they're actual molecules.
You can you can prove that they exist, you can do research, you can do tangible research.
Um but um just turn this on.
Yeah, sorry, there's a noise in the back, and I'll just turn it off.
Um I agree, I agree with you.
Um so the the whole thing, that's why I've got got went to university, that's why I um did did my own research.
And that's why I've written the books, it's to sort of disentangle that very sort of far out aspect.
Um over-trivialization, sort of g to ground it more into sort of everyday real life.
Well, the the thing I've I've got quite interested in in recently is is the idea that um fabrics have frequencies, so that for example, if you wear linen or wool and cotton, they're sort of healing.
Whereas if you wear synthetic fibers, they they have a much lower vibration, which takes you down.
I mean it's it it's it it's it's no wonder that that that they the powers that be want to inflict on us all this synthetic fiber.
It's not just because it's cheap and mass producible, it's also because it poisons us.
Absolutely.
This is where the the Royal Ralph thing comes in, um, where he talks about the you know resonance and the resonance of health.
But definitely you so you want something that's live and organic.
Um anything fresh, live organic, anything that grows naturally, it's all part of the the natural sort of resonant in infrastructure.
Anything that's in a tin, you know, anything that you keep and you know, foods, for example, that you keep, um uh sort of store um unless they're grains and what have you, they they tend to lose their energy.
So the thing is is about it's fresh, it's real, um, it's it's organic, um, and and as close to nature as possible.
I've just spent um i i well, a chunk of my day, let's say um making a passata out of fresh tomatoes that I've grown myself.
I've I've had this good luck this year because of this this unusually warm, I don't know, I don't know why they they allowed us this warm summer, but they decided to allow it.
And so I've been making the passata, and I'm thinking it's so much more trouble to make your own passata than it is to get it out of a I mean I I I buy an expensive tin.
But that probably costs about £1.50.
I mean, I reckon I put more than £1.50's worth of work into making my passata.
And obviously it tastes nicer, but so you're saying that that it's not just that that it tastes nicer and it's satisfying to make, um albeit time consuming, but also that actually it's less toxic, is that right?
Well, less toxic or just that depends on the the ingredients you put in, but it's it's is a better energy.
It's it's got you you'll have the a higher quality of nutrients within it.
You know, there's less diminishing.
So if you're if you're picking stuff that's fresh and cooking it, yes, it takes longer, but what you're getting out of that, usually you get more, you get more bulk when you cook your own food, but then rather than open your packet or a tin.
But what you're getting out of that is is the highest nutritional um and sort of energetic quality of food, as it's meant to be.
And when we have off when we have food like that that's fresh, highly nutritious, um optimally picked, you need to eat less because you're getting you're getting more, you're you're you're you're satisfying more of those minerals and elements that you need to keep your your your um system metabolizing, um you know, to give you the energy.
Uh when when we are eating dead food or food that has a very low, you know, sort of highly processed foods, you've got less of that.
So you need to eat more.
And that's one of the reasons why people are putting on so much weight, because they're never satisfied.
They always still feel hungry.
When you eat nutrient dense, fresh, highly energetic foods, you feel satisfied much more quickly.
And it lasts longer within your system.
I tell you what else I've noticed.
Um every time now I I put some non-raw milk into my tea or my coffee or or whatever.
I think you're actually just drinking dead stuff.
Yeah.
It's not the it's there's nothing there, is there?
It's been all the nutrients have been killed in pasteurized milk.
It's been taken from the cow and interfered with and reconstituted sort of thing.
Oh, have you gone down that rabbit hole?
Homogenization.
The particles actually do you harm, don't they?
They do, and they're breaking they're breaking up the natural order.
They're changing, they're rearranging everything.
So i it's just really simple.
There's nothing complicated about survival.
It's just you just look at nature and take, you know, because I I believe we live in a garden that we've been given to live in, you know, this part of being here on earth.
And so we have everything we need around us that you know that that will do us good.
So when you start over I mean, there's something about um cooking amazing meals and being creative and sort of you know, do presentation and flavours, but i eating fresh, eating as it grows, eating locally, it's all designed to to to complement our bodies' needs to support us.
Yes.
Um you say it's you say it's simple, but of course it's also very, very complicated because they, the people who run the world have made it so that it's really weird.
I mean, like how many people, for example, can have the space to grow enough tomatoes to have surplus to make plasata.
And that's just that's just one tiny actually, how many people have time to prepare their own food?
Their own extra dinners from from scratch.
Most people I think I I I you talk to normal normal people, do you think it's a few years?
Yes, of course, yes, yes, yes, yes.
But it's it's a phenomenon like like you you've pointed out in your other podcast, you know, this has been going on for a very long time.
You know, we have been gradually br brought away from our more natural way of being.
So we've been brought into towns, been brought into industrial areas, so we live in flats, we live in areas where you haven't got a garden anymore.
You know, during the war or before the war, everybody had a garden of of sorts and everybody grew something, but now we don't.
We and we've lost that um we're rapidly losing that um connection that we've had with growing our own food and and that relationship that you have when you grow your own food with the seasons, with you know, what grows when what's good for you, you know, etcetera.
So I I and I it does feel very deliberate, you know.
We are being funnelled into this corral gradually, very slowly.
It's like that like people say that the slowly boiling frog bit by bit by bit by bit.
We're being sort of deh I'm gonna say dehumanized because it's very very much part of our human existence to have a relationship with the land and with our food and with each other and to sort of have more time to do communal things like cooking together or just sharing time together.
We spend most of our times very deliberately, it feels to me, consumed with survival.
Um uh in a way that we shouldn't be, it shouldn't be like that.
But going, you know, so many hours spent in front of the screen or so many hours at work and just not with not enough socializing time, which is very very important part of our health and well being as well.
So it seems that all that's been dripped away and you said before about the the weather, there's the cloud seeding, there's the che you know, I I the there's an attempt to um interfere with the growth growth process of of plants,
um, of our natural um harvests and what have you, to sort of destroy destroy this sort of natural rhythm uh and this natural world that we belong to, we have natural bodies, we have we're our consciousness is within a body,
we're you know, so therefore we're in a natural world in which we um extend within, but all of that's being slowly taken away, slowly, you know, the oxygen's being drawn out um of of the whole s you know, of our whole life, you know, lifestyle, etc.
Yeah, I can't remember whether I've I've I've mentioned this on a on a podcast, but but um I was having a chat with somebody the other day and he was talking about how as you know, I I live in the country and you you do you you live in Dorset.
Lyme registers, I mean Lyme Regis Oh yeah, because we had the conversation didn't we about Mary Anning and her fake dinosaurs.
Have you looked into that one?
Oh well yes, on yes, um I mean I never like to say it out loud because I'm living here in Lyme Regis and of course it's it is sort of famous for all of that.
And you can certainly go to the beach and pick up sort of fossils and ammonites and things.
But definitely the dinosaur aspect, I uh you know, from a few bones they fleshed out and coloured and created these amazing things.
So I'm not quite sure on that one.
I I just like like people to know that I'm not an Ammonite denier.
In fact, give me one second, Heather.
I'm always good.
I'm always good.
suppose it could have been chipped away by Cynical.
Well, maybe but there's so y but you can find them all over the place.
You can find them every and that shape apparently is a is a sort of s uh a very important shape, uh sort of the whole the way it spirals out, apparently.
I was reading something, but I can't remember all the details, but it's a very important...
Oh, I'm sure it's something to do with fractals or something.
It's a manifestation of God.
You look at it and...
Yeah, yeah.
The proportions and everything else.
Um so it's it's one thing th this is this is this is where the where the the the the dinosaur normies try to get you, they say, Well, you do you not believe in fossils?
Well, I mean I believe that of course, yeah.
I sh do I believe I mean do I believe in fossils.
I I'm not sure that I'm not sure where these things came from or whether the time scale that we're taught to think of is is actually uh I think that's that's probably bollocks as well.
But th going back to Lyme Regis, the Anning family were a bunch of they were a bunch of shysters, weren't they?
They were they were basically sort of con artist Dorset crooks who who uh I I can I say that here while I'm living here.
I don't know.
Shall I say it?
Oh yeah, but have you have you heard this theory?
I have heard it, yes, of course I have.
You hear lots of different things, but yes, yeah, there's there's and and we don't know.
I mean I don't know.
I w wasn't living around at the time.
I know nobody who knew her or the family, so it's it's conjecture, isn't it?
But I don't know.
Yeah, I suppose you don't want the the mob with pitchforks saying don't you don't you got to adorse accents?
I don't know.
The real truth is I don't know.
I've not looked into it that that deeply, but uh yes, I think I do think when you look at the dinosaur aspects, um it it is odd that dinosaur bones, but none have been found since and it it it there is a sort of I suppose a question mark over it, but I don't know what that you know how I would expand on that.
Um I I'm not gonna No, you don't need to.
I just take it for me.
They they're completely made up bullets, they just I I know that some people I get um I I've even even been taken to task by some of my relatives for for being a dinosaur dinosaur.
I I say I believe in dragons, dragons definitely exist dinosaurs just made up by charlatans in the mainly in the 19th century.
Um and they do they do tricks to to to reinforce so every every few years the Natural History Museum will say it's amazing.
We found an even bigger megalobolicosaurus.
It's just like this this dwarfs our previous specimens, so they'll let the so they'll they're uh introduce the new megalobolicosaurus into the into the main display gallery, just to remove to keep people's interests alive.
You know, we bigger, bigger, better, faster, more.
And I don't think they've ever found a whole thing.
I think they find bones, don't they?
I don't think it um but I'm not sure if they've ever found a whole species of the body.
Well if they had it no, because if they had Heather, it would mean that dinosaurs were real.
They haven't.
They haven't found any of the any any of this stuff.
Um but I was thinking, I was watching that Kevin Costner series.
Um you probably don't watch TV, so you wouldn't know about it.
Um about about a ranch.
I forgot I forget the the the name, but in one of the early episodes, one of the cowboy characters finds in his garden this dinosaur skeleton thing.
And it and it looks like it looks like they tell you what it looks like.
So you you you see this almost perfectly preserved dinosaur skeleton, you know.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, that's that that's how they do it.
Anyway, that digression, I w I it started when I say we both live in the country.
Yeah.
And somebody pointed out to me that until quite recently, every village would have this old bloke who had a background in farming and stuff, and would would knew about gardening and could advise you on all these things and you could get him to do a bit of a bit of work in your garden and he had an allotment and he was the he was the stalwart of the allotment and he had all this all this
knowledge.
That's my grades.
Which is really important.
I've I've been finding now I've I've I've started I've set up my first no-dig border patch this this year.
I've I've I've I've I've been starting to experiment with gardening and properly.
And what you realize is that so much of this is about tips that get passed on from gardener to fellow gardener.
For example, I here's here's one thing I learned this year, which I have not seen in a book.
You know when you get say you say you don't grow your your tomato plant from seed, but you but you you buy it and from from the garden centre and the plant's a bit leggy.
Yeah, and you think, oh, that's really annoying.
I wish I'd wish I'd grown my own.
You can actually plant that plant well below the the the root base.
You can plant it sort of halfway up.
And what happens is the tomato plant will will love this, it'll put down more roots out of the side.
So you get a much healthier plant.
Now I've never seen that in a book.
But I I I got taught that by a fellow gardener.
There's stuff you you pick up, like like my shallots this year have been really, really shit.
And the reason they've been really, really shit is that I made the mistake of planting at the back of my of my patch, and then I put some beans in front of them, and the beans starved them of their light.
Yes.
And they withered and and just did produced these tiny these tiny shillots which are negative to mammal bees because they're a real bugger of peel and stuff.
Yeah.
So next year I'm gonna make sure they get plenty of light.
Now it would have been so much easier if I'd had old old Joe to say to me, Ah, you don't want to be doing that, you want to use it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My granddad was for the gardener.
Yeah, yeah, it like that.
He was he he worked for the for the big house, um, but he was a gardener, but I never had contact with him because dad was in the RAF.
So but that was he was just like you described, he just knew everything, and we would go and stay with him, and we would have peas that tasted incredible from the garden and potatoes, everything was incredibly beautiful and flavorful, but but yes, but I agree with you.
We uh and it's all part of this this you know, breaking down, dispersing that information so that we're not it's not there there for us to have to hand on.
It's just you know, we're losing that autonomy that we would have.
It's it's creating a dependence, isn't it?
Your dam was in the RAF, my mine was in the RAF.
I I've become aware recently that that the RAF is really quite dodgy.
Yes, yes, yes.
People from I don't know what w it's it's it's it's got connections with the with the uh with the bad people.
I don't know why.
Yes, yeah.
I think I think Fraser Nelson's dad was in the RAF intelligence.
I mean anyone with with particularly intelligence is is is a red flag.
But but have you have you come across this one?
Yes, that's something.
It's a s I mean we found this, yes, dad dad was a chief technician in the RAF and um we've my brother and I have spoken about this you know since we've grown up and something happened to Dad.
Um he he almost had a breakdown and he became extremely excessively religious.
Um just before he left the RAF.
But we've we we know that dad knew something he could never talk about that completely distressed and disturbed him to almost existentially, but you know, where he was he sort of became you know, this this overzealous religious person.
Um I mean he was very good at what he did and he was very involved.
He joined from when he was about sixteen.
But yeah, definitely I I agree there was something.
He was at Neatis Head, he was up in Norfolk, and uh we just feel that he he because he was very secretive, he would never ever talk about his work.
But we uh we are inclined to agree that there was something that he saw that that that really freaked him out, existentially freaked him out.
Isn't that weird that uh there was like I mean I like I like casting flies and seeing whether there's a whether it's gonna be any bite.
Isn't it weird that I I felt compelled to mention that thing because I mean we're talking about aromatherapy, but but how weird.
The the RAF was involved in the Lynnmouth was it Lynnmouth in in in Devon, the disaster where that was one of the early experiments in cloud seeding where people got drowned.
I think about 30 people got got got drowned.
But yeah, I'm I'm glad you've can confirmed that.
And and your dad's behaviour.
I was thinking I instantly thought of the behavior of Johnny Cash in his last years.
Where he became very Christian and was clearly he was trying to make amends for stuff he'd seen and done.
Because I mean all all all major music stars have sold their soul.
I mean, uh probably explains Bob Dylan's alleged conversion as well.
But Johnny Cash, I but there was a man who clearly thought his soul was in danger and was trying to make amends, and it sounds like your dad or they were very afraid.
Yeah, maybe something that sort of s instilled a great deal deal of fear and you know and anxiety.
Um so you're looking for for um certainty, gr grounding, security, um, and I as I I guess like throwing yourself into God and and and into faith.
Um would you know, there's a safety, a s a sense of safety in that.
So it may be maybe it's something you've witnessed or or that you're aware of.
Maybe it's not something you've done, but then again, if you're in that, you you know, I suppose you see yourself as a b participant no matter what you do, you if you have a conscience.
So um yes, yeah.
I think that's dad's story.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sense I'm sensing you're not um a Christian.
We were brought up as Christians.
We were brought up as um um Anglo-Catholics, um, and then Dad in his conversion became a Jehovah's Witness.
And he became very extreme.
To me, it was very extreme, and I was very young, I was ten or eleven when he did that.
And I we used to go to um Bible classes and what have you as children.
Um we learned all about paradise.
But there it did it it didn't resonate with me.
Uh even as a child.
Uh and I think it was it created confusion because it was how can you have believe in this aspect of religion and the Bible and then change.
Why does it change?
And so that created a question mark in me about the Bible, about so it was like um there's so many versions, you know, what's going on?
So Dad wanted me to to be a Jehovah's Witness, and I could I couldn't step I love my dad ever so much.
Uh we were very, very but he was my rock.
He he was he was everything to me, but I just it just didn't resonate with me.
He he was uh I don't know if it was his overzealousness or but it didn't resonate with me.
So um it caused a lot of conflict.
Um you're not the first person I've come across who've who has kind of been put off Christianity by the sort of the version that was served on them in their chart.
You you you you get this with with with quite a lot of Catholics, yeah.
Um yeah, um Jehovah's Witness is is quite it's quite hardcore.
So I can see why it could drive off as many people as it it kind of inspires.
It it well what the yeah, my brother was a Jehovah's Witness.
I mean I love my dad, I love my brother, and my brother and I got on extremely well and we had some amazing conversations.
We've He was very much we were very much on the same page.
But it what it did for me was it made me as a I I remember dad following me around with the Bible one day, reading reading me the word of God.
I was a teenager, I was about 15.
It's like he's reading me the word of God.
Um and he he was obsessively what you know, you've got to hear this.
And I remember freaking out and s shouting at him, fuck off.
I don't believe in your fucking God.
And I went to the bedroom and slammed the door, and I stood behind the door, really shocked because I'd sworn at my dad.
I told him to fuck off.
But but it what it did was it shocked me, and I realized, but I do believe.
I do believe in God, but I don't believe in that.
I don't know what I believe, but I do believe.
I just had this absolute assertion and felt it.
It was like when I said I don't believe, it struck this chord within me.
Like it didn't feel right to say I don't believe, because as a child I've always had a sense of presence or there being more, uh and not being able to sort of explain or know what that was.
But I do believe.
Um so then that set me off on my own journey.
So I learned to meditate.
Um I learnt because it says in the Bible, God is within.
You know, God is within you.
You find it's there, it's there, it's present.
It God is omnipresent, omniscient.
God cre is in within everything that's that's created within us, and the place to find God is within.
It's not in a church, it's within.
It's not in a religion, it's within.
I mean, religions have to me, all religions to a certain extent, have been bandwagoned.
You know, even Christianity's been bandwagoned and sort of corrupted, um, because it's used as a vector of control.
Um but but it doesn't mean to say but the thing is it's like the Trojan horse thing.
There is truth in Christianity, there's truth in the Bible, but it's it's shrouded with with um ulterior intention, um in one way or another.
But we have so learning to meditate was for me my it validated my connection with my sense of God within because I could I'd sit and gave it space.
And then experienced what it felt like to sit and give it that space because it changes the changes, it it doesn't change anything.
It it opens your awareness in a way you can't it's it's not a tangible, it's it it's it's experiential.
It is like prayer or the you know the spiritual experience or spirituality, it's experiential beyond words, so you can't always express it in words, but it's there, it's undeniable.
Yeah, there'll be l there'll be loads of um Christians going, yeah, this is new age, uh uh meditation.
What did it even says in the Bible?
Yeah.
No, I've I I'm I'm I'm I policy is on Christianity's don't frighten the horses and don't judge because I think it's up to God to judge.
I I I really really can't be doing with with judgy Christians telling telling you you're not doing it right.
So I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not gonna get on your case, Heather.
Thank you.
But we both but I but we but there is a God, there is a creator, but you know, that is that's the fundamental truth, isn't that to me.
Totally, just look around.
I mean, it's obvious that that's big bang is is is is bollocks and and uh evolutionary theory is is Masonic Illuminati bollocks and and uh and so on.
Anyway, so going back to um aromatherapy.
Now I'm sure I remember reading some bad things about aromatherapy, like there's the the uh you're not meant to be exposed to essential oils or or or something or other, or what what's what tell me about the bad things that people say about it?
Well, the bad things are they can be highly toxic, um, they can be poisonous, you know.
You you have to use them with caution and care.
You know, they're they're highly concentrated extracts from plants.
So within the plant, you have very small amounts of essential oil, along with flavonoids and sapanines and and other elements within the plant.
So if you eat a plant, a herb or a food or a plant that's got essential oils in, you're consuming the essential oil in a minute quantity, but in the context of being with all of those other things which can act as a um a counterbalance to any toxicity or or irritation.
Because essential oils, when they're extracted from the plant are highly highly concentrated.
They're very they're highly volatile, and they're actually they can cause damage to your internal organs if you take them internally.
So they need to be done in high dilution and with extreme caution.
Um because they can uh you know they can irritate the mucous membrane, they can irritate their digestive system, and they can overload the liver, um, you know, with with with because your body has to excrete it, excrete those top that that that high concentration of toxin.
So, yeah, everything, it's like everything, you just have to use use it with caution, used with caution and sensibly, they're amazing.
So you you never drink essential oils.
No way, no, no, no.
I do not advocate the internal you can, I mean, a lot of medicines, uh a lot of remedies, um, will have uh essential oils within them, but it's it's it's the context in which you take them.
It's the amount that you use um and the reason why you're using them.
Um you need to have a good understanding of of the the way the metabolism works.
You so I as a lay person, I am not um I am not creating medicines as such to take internally.
Um and as as as lay people, I think we don't have enough um understanding to it is too it's dangerous to take them internally.
Um I have somebody very, very kindly gave me at one of my events some um oregano oil.
And I know lots of people swear by oregano oil, but presumably that's not an essential oil.
That's that's a different thing.
Oregano is a is an essential oil, it depends on whether it's in a base medium.
So essential oils can be put into a base medium, uh a vegetable oil, coconut oil.
Oh, it would be it could be in a base medium, I'm sure.
Yes, if it's in a base medium, then it's it's and it's dilute.
Um and it's been done professionally, you know, done considerately, then it's kind of like food.
That like any food that you take, it it shouldn't do you any harm.
The thing is you don't just you know, the it you you would do yourself harm just to take the pure essential oil.
Um the term essential oil is misleading.
They're not oil-like.
They don't mix with water, they um so they look like oil, so they'll float on the top or they'll stink to the bottom, but they are not compatible with with with water.
So um it calling them essential oils gives gives the impression that they might be like ordinary oil, which is quite soothing to the skin, but they're not.
They're irritant, they're highly irritant.
They can cause sensitization.
Um, this is why I wrote my books, because going back to the bandwagon and the overtrivialization, you know, we have gone through phases where uh essential oils have been um put across as being something you can splash on all over and drink, you know, there's certain multi-level marketing companies that suggest that you put them drops in water and drink.
Well, the essential oil isn't going to mix with water, you're going to get raw essential oil hitting your mucous membrane and that causing damage.
And it may not be immediate, it it can be cumulative.
You know, once you've hit points point of sensitization, um it's it's too late then.
Um in in sort of um kickback to all of that, um I felt responsibility to write my books in a way to um uh explain this is how you use essential oils sensibly, this is what they are.
Understand what they are, then you'll know how to use them.
But I think it's been very dangerous, this over-trivialization, because yes, you know, and they can be fatal, um, especially to children, if you know, it would be very, very careful.
Um presumably people have been extracting essential oils for for hundreds of thousands of years.
Yeah.
for what purpose?
Well, um often for the scent.
I mean, there's lots of there's lots of um reference in the Bible to um plants, scent scented plants and essential oils.
Mr Persian hissing should be clean.
Yes, yes, yes.
Um so for the scent, but and and also they would would have uh um extracted them differently.
They you know in ancient times the essential oils were extracted using um sort of say an oil, um uh uh maybe olive oil or animal fat.
So you steep the plant material into the fat and allow the um essential oils to um through osmosis permeate the oil and then you you you drain you take out the plant material and you're left with um what they call an undant or uh like an ointment um or an oil if it was in olive oil, seeped or soaked or or or in you know with the essential oils instilled within them.
So they would use them on their skin, they'd use them as healing salves, um, etc.
Um it was only later that they used distillation to sort of separate, you know, the steam to separate out the the molecules where you're just left with just the molecules, just the molecules of essential oils in their I guess raw state.
Yeah.
I supp well I suppose you need the quality glass to be able to do that.
Quality glass to Well, I mean to be able to distillation is only possible if you've got the right um vessels.
Yeah, well you can I've got a copper vessel here.
Um it's just it's the process.
It's a process.
So you put so you know, you create heat, um you've got um water with uh with a with a cage that you put the plant material in.
So the heat creates steam or or and breaks open the um plant molecules, then the molecules are carried in the steam, then steam's cooled down, and as it condenses it goes back to water, and then because uh centrals don't mix with water, you can siphon them off as a sep separate from the water.
So is it easy?
Yes, very easy.
Absolutely, yes, yes, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um and so when you've got your essential oils, what what do you do with them?
Well, what it depends on you what you want to do with them.
Um so I've got a bottle there of hemp.
No, that's lemon.
I've got hemp seed and I've got I've just been I've just been writing an article about hemp and lemon, so I've got them here in front of me.
Okay.
Um what do I do with them?
I dilute them.
So I I will put them into vegetable oil and use them for sc um massage.
Um so you so I like I said before, I use them for their psychoemotional qualities.
So um personally I get you know, my clients come for a massage, they usually come because they're stressed or because they've got anxiety or because they just want to relax.
So we select essential oils that um match their need.
Um they we do it together because uh individually we our sense of smell tells us what's good for us.
Um then we use it as a massage oil, or you can use them in creams and lotions to soothe skin, or you can create ointments to heal, they're very good at wound healing, they assist with wound healing.
Um which one which which uh essential oil?
Sentral oils for wound healing.
Lavender is a a famous one, chamomile, um hello chrysum, um many of them actually.
Um bergamots are good, you know, there's this the the the the qualities of essential oils, the main the main qualities of essential oils is that they are um they they work with the integumentary system, the skin system.
So um they um they work with the immune system.
So when you inhale them, um they support the immune system.
They they um act as repellents, so they um um they're anti-inflammatory, they um will reduce um infection, so they they to sort of help the the immune system to um combat infact infection and what have you.
So they've got multiple uses um in terms of healing, um skincare, and and y you can they do they do heal internally but used appropriately, but they penetrate through the skin and you can inhale them in minute quantity and they go into the system via the alve alveoli in the lungs, they go into the circulatory system that way.
So just minute quantities.
So we've got we've got um receptor sites within the body.
We've got um olfactory receptacles in the limbic system at the top of the nose that that reach into the limbic system but also throughout the body.
So we've got we're we're kind of wired to pick up essential oils um through the food we eat, through medicines, through you know, through you know through absorbing them Yeah I would just I was just wondering um you you you say that um we can s we can sort of well things passing the sniff test I suppose that we we know instinctively what's good
for us, what we what we need any particular time and it it varies from individual to individual but do we know it as well as we used to I mean for example because of our um penal yes being but messed up with by what calcified by what is it what is it that calcifies the pineal gland whatever they oh it's electromagnetic energy and what have you and stuff I don't know I don't know.
And stuff well and I think stuff in the in the in the maybe fluoride and uh other things I think yes yes yes yes.
Do you think we're we're less well placed to know what's good for us than we used to be.
Yes I do I do and this is this is why I've journeyed back into it because it's my way back in.
And we have as we said before we've come away.
So it but but however we are wired we are still it's still there instinctively within us we've spent centuries and centuries and centuries foraging for food.
So that there is an innate part of our being.
You know, we, we smell things, you know, we use our senses.
So we know that we know up to a certain, you know, instinctively, we know you, we have a intuition, you know, we have a gut instinct about things.
We know you can just, without understanding why you can say, well, that doesn't feel right.
So that's still always there within us.
We don't use it enough.
We need to listen to it more.
We need to practice that more, I don't think you know got to be careful about you've got to balance it with knowledge and intuition you can't just you know it's it's it's you need to understand what what their qualities are you know what what they you know what it is that you're doing with anything really yeah.
yeah i was just thinking um we used when i was when i was younger we used to go off and stay with some friends who had this farmhouse in in somerset and um i remember going there once and for whatever reason i had completely lost my sense of smell and you'd think that losing your sense of smell well you know if i could sacrifice any one of the senses i think probably the most dispensable is probably
smell you know that's the dogs.
Yes.
Sentiments and stuff but what I found was that my it was as if the the landscape had changed completely.
It was unrecognizable.
This house that I'd been to many times like the the the the uh the smell of the oil fired arga type thing for example but but it was I I felt like I'd lost my map.
Yes I felt yes rudderless.
We take it for granted don't we we we do but it's like losing your sight or losing your hearing.
It's all part of our sensory way of feeling our way in the world, of sort of registering ourselves within the world.
So it does, and the sense of smell is linked to the sense of taste.
And sort of, you know, emotionally as well, it sort of, it has such an impact on us that, you know, when you lose that, it sort of, it dulls everything.
It takes the colour out of everything in a way.
So, yes, yes, it's very significant, very important.
Yeah.
Oh, before I forget, what's good for bites, for mozzie bites and things, and flea bites?
Lavender, tea tree.
I would say those two.
Yeah, lavender or tea tree.
I use those.
No, you can use, like, there's tea tree oil, which I, I've probably got a bottle somewhere.
I mean, it's quite, it's quite intense.
Can you just shove it on the, on the bite?
Well, that's, as I said before, we were talking about not putting essentials neat on the skin.
skin um and you shouldn't generally but tea tree and um lavender tend to be the exception when they're used as first aids you don't so you don't use them all the time.
So you could put just a a little drop uh little drop on on a tissue or on your finger and just put it onto the bites um obviously you're using them for a limited time too so you don't do that every day all the time so in limited um circumstances you can put lavender or tea tree on a bite and it sort of takes out the inflammation as well.
Lavender particularly takes up the inflammation and it stops any infection um it reduces it.
What about sunburn sunburn um I would use a base oil so a vegetable oil um with a little tiny bit of vegetable oil.
Yeah, calendula.
We're encouraged not to eat vegetables.
Is it okay to put it in your skin?
Because isn't it isn't it horribly material they're very good at skin f for the skin olive oil um calendula olive oil yeah but olive oil but I mean I mean generic vegetable oil that's that's different isn't it sure oh no no no no no no no you use the proper stuff you use genuine stuff so so um yes so I I use olive oil,
coconut oil or jojoba which is a which is a wax um so yes um and you can put one or two drops of um you can also make a an ointment with beeswax and oil um so that you can keep that in a jar and use it add lavender lavender and tea tree or maybe a drop of lemon and they are anti-infectious and skin healing so the cicatricent chamomile um helichrysum
um they're good at um healing the skin damage to the skin as well it's been a really bad year for chamomile this year my wife went to some people who grow cam chamomile and they've lost seventy five percent of their crop this year.
Oh talking about the weather manipulation I know but yes it's worrying it's very worrying it's a con it is I think this is a consequence of of us having this summer um this summer sunshine I think it's been devastating to the crops because it's dried the land out.
So um yes which is I find it all very disturbing very worrying um but yeah so hence we need to try and grow our own food as much as we can in controlled ways I suppose because if you have um those tunnels or or greenhouses you can control the environment more can't you?
You're not you're not beholden to the to the external environment as much but we'd certainly need to to get growing our own food.
Yeah but but just going back to that one so I've got I've got the use of a walled garden.
I've got the use of an 18th century pineapple house which most people have have the use of yeah well I use that for my tomatoes.
And what's the net result of this?
Okay so the other night I had from the beef which I didn't grow myself I had 100% home grown well actually the and and the olive oil I didn't I didn't grow the olives but I use spaghetti squash have you ever tried spaghetti squash?
No.
I used it like it's a squash right and you you bake it and I used it as a substitute for spaghetti because when you when it's cooked you you extract it and it forms these strands.
Yes yes and you think oh god I don't want I don't I don't want to eat squash instead of nice pasta.
But actually it it does the job.
You don't you're not sitting there thinking where's the where's where's the pasta?
It's it's really good.
But so I I grew all this stuff and great well on me.
And and the garlic.
My garlic's been really good and some of the yeah I use the shallots and stuff.
But I'm thinking it's only really August one month out of the year that probably I I would be able to survive on just about.
So that leaves eleven months.
Yes.
Where I'm dependent on the on the the the food supply system that the the Dutch greenhouse match mass glass houses and stuff.
Yes.
Yeah tunnels and things.
It's hard.
Being self-sufficient is is virtually impossible.
It is it's very very difficult.
You need to have a lot of land to do that and then you know to grow a variety of things.
But but we can grow we can become specialists and grow what we can and also the thing there's the thing about eating locally grown foods and seasonal foods as well because it all it it's you know the environment we're affected by the environment, you know it the the the weather, the conditions and so eating foods that grow in certain conditions and environments that we live within complement our body's needs as well at the time.
So and and these days like you say it's impossible to be pure you know to be pure um we have to just mix and match a lot but it's better to to err on my my feeling is to err on the side of doing the best you can with what you've got.
Sure.
And build on that yeah yeah um so you when you treat people you treat them mainly for emotional things like depression.
Yes yeah I I I think you have to have boundaries around what you do and how you work.
So um I deliberately set myself up in that sort of um I'm using massage as a vehicle um and I'm I'm sort of we're working on relaxation.
So I stay I stay within that because that's a safe um and sensible boundary in terms of using the essential oils.
If my clients need um anything else this is why I like the whole intricative aspect of knowing where there's an osteopath, knowing where there's an acupuncturist or a nutritionalist so that we refer clients to each other.
So then you get the holistic health.
So yes I I focus on um deep relaxation and um moving the lymph system um work with with the energy with meridians.
So it's yes so deep relaxation often is is quite significant because even if we sit down and relax we're not completely relaxed.
We're always thinking I've got to do this or I've got to do that or but if somebody comes and volunteers to come for a massage they switch off completely.
And you get that lovely deep relaxation and then using the massage and the essential oils the essential oils will um be absorbed by the skin um so it's the combination of touch um and you know positive touch intentional touch and um the essential oils um working together um very very simple but very very effective I'm suddenly I'm suddenly dying for a pea and we get you could okay Yeah,
sorry about that.
I've just I've just I know I'm not as old as you had the but we look the same age.
I I've just turned 60.
And what I've noticed is I've been swinging away the my water because I I which has got some um what's the milk thistle in it.
I don't know whether that makes a difference to it to whether you um but uh yes and what you find is that when you've got to go, you've really got to go you that you don't get much time to to hold it back.
Yeah, yeah.
Um anyway.
You were talking about about uh massaging and the and about how well I I can imagine that you take people to a um I mean how many how many but uh I don't like falling asleep when I'm being given a massage.
I don't uh uh but I almost do, but I don't like doing it.
How many how many of your your your clients?
Ninety percent 90% can fall asleep.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Not maybe even more.
In fact, most of them they do, they put the rela and I love it because their their bodies are so they're just relaxed.
You know that you've hit the spot when they go to sleep because they're deep.
Oh maybe can I can I if I come down from Dorset wouldn't give me a come down here, yeah.
Come to my parlor.
I'll sort you out.
Well so I see you coming down on a fossil hunting expedition to see if I can find some a bigger dinosaur to go into that history museum.
So on the way, perhaps I could could calm myself after having got the dinosaur out of the cliffs.
You could you could help me.
That that would be good.
Yes, please do, yeah.
What you said about how you recommend in the holistic world, you you you pass clients onto one another and I've I've really noticed this and it's one of the things I absolutely love about my natural health friends.
They're very, very generous and open and ego free.
So if one person's not having a success with they'll go, well hang on a second, I think this person might be the one for your particular problem that you've got.
Yeah.
It's really healers.
We're healing.
And and so it's it's not it's not about um it's it's it's not like a shop, you know, where you've got customers coming in and you need to make what what we're doing, yes, we do need to to to cover our costs and sort of make a living, but at the same time, we couldn't do what we're doing.
I couldn't do what I'm doing if I didn't did you know, wasn't honest about my limitations.
You know, I don't want to capture clients just because uh you know, I want them to stay with me.
We have to be honest and also I want I want this kind of system to be our generalized healthcare system.
I want this to be the normal, you know, the way that um biomedicine's taken over and sort of separated the body um into different components and not looking at it as a whole thing.
Um you we have to sort of treat treat medicine a as a holistic like the body as a holistic and everybody ev every every aspect has a different way in.
Um so acupuncture might be necessary because you need to do something, um you need to shift something quite deep or um rebalance the um the the um the you know the the the energetic system.
Um I mean I do work with I work along meridian lines so it's but I'm not doing it in a specifically um sort of r remedial remedial way for a particular condition.
I don't do that.
I know that as soon as I'm touching somebody um I'm crossing over.
I'm you know, obviously I'm going to be affecting the meridians and the the the the metabolism and the nervous system.
It's it's all integrated.
But if somebody comes with particular conditions that I know I can't do.
Like for example, if people come to me with whiplash or um they think because I'm massaging I can sort of manipulate and I don't do that.
So I send them to the osteopath to do that.
Right.
And then they come back to me.
Because you know, if we can keep the muscles relaxed, it's more like less likely that they're going to um sort of go into that spasm again.
So we we all have a place, a very important part to play.
Um and I'm very keen to encourage that.
That's we need to be be setting that foundation um as as much as we can now, um, of this intricative approach to to health and well being.
Um It's it's weird, isn't it?
Or actually it's not weird, it's entirely um understandable given the way that we're programmed.
But I think if you talk to most people about uh health prior to the invention of so called modern medicine.
They would look at anything pre the late nineteenth century as quacker Yes, I know it's crazy.
And and witchcraft.
And they they just people just didn't know before modern mention m medicine came along, and surgeons were were were also barbers and they were just butchers and and and leeches and everything we know about the medicine of well, the the the treatments of the past, we are encouraged to believe stupid, superstitious, wrong.
I suspect that probably if you went back in the past, they probably knew more about how to look after our health.
I'm sure every village would have had a a healer or two and I would say so, like you said about the gardeners.
There's always the that you know, in every community there would be there would be a healer, whether that's a male or a female, somebody who's learnt about the herbs, learnt about um you know what's you know what cures this and what cures that, or how to set a bone.
That that would have been a an important part and an important role in any tribe or community.
Um but uh I think it it all got messy, I think, um, when you start sort of bringing in thing, you know, because there are things that have been used that have been highly toxic before, you know, mercury, um what was that about le I don't know, leeches, you know, for blood blood sucking, all there are certain aspects of that which they like to hone in on to say, see it was they would just were stupid, they were but that was just one small small part.
But yes, I you know we we we have come away from from that.
We've been encouraged to go down this sort of biomedical route um that takes us away from our um our own intrinsic knowledge, you know, as well as you know, other you know, the um the local well they would have been called witches, you know, but um we have you'd have been burned as a witch had that.
I would have been as a witch, yeah.
A long time ago.
All the women treated me would have been burned as witches, which is very sad because they're all jolly nice.
But it was only it was only because of the, you know, there was there's been this sort of um takeover of of um you know this wanting to control um people, um systems, medicine, you know, medicine's just the system, isn't it?
That's that's used to control.
But um and there's good stuff, there's good stuff.
I mean the thing is we would never go back to where we were before all of this because we've learnt a lot as well, you know, and there are good elements to biomedicine, particularly emergency so you know emergency stuff.
Um but with the chronic with chronic illness and and and maintaining wellness, it's not good.
I mean m s it's mostly toxic, unfortunately.
You know, the the medicines that we're given are mostly toxic.
Um so we need to we need to strike a balance, we need to pull out the you know, the good positive, and there are good positive elements to biomedicine.
Um and marry it up again, it uh an intric an integrative healthcare system would have, you know, all of it, the positive elements of of surgery or um you know, accident and emergency.
You know, th there's there's so many there's so much we can sort of bring together to make a really good holistic intricate system.
Well, it's quite interesting, isn't it?
That the Illuminati, like look at look at look at King Charles, as we must learn to call him?
He's he's massively into homeopathy.
I bet he I bet he never got the shots, the death jabs.
I bet he uh I don't I don't believe he's got cancer.
I I think that's that's part of a part of the setup.
Like why would it why would he why would he use ho uh homeopathy if it didn't work?
Yes.
Well, yes.
It does work, doesn't it?
Yes.
It's weird how much it works.
It's uh it's like it really ought not to.
And you get Mitchell and Webb taking the piss out of it.
Uh my thing's coming up saying we're reconnecting.
I don't know if we've lost connection.
Oh dear.
Oh no, it's gone now.
I hope not.
I hope it's gone.
It it's your it's your primitive rustic internet, which is even obviously endorsed it, it's even worse than Well in Lion Readers, I have to admit, in line registers, we're in a kind of a bubble, a basin, and so it isn't always good.
We don't always get a good connection here.
It it'll be the energy it's worse.
Emanating from the dinosaur bones.
Probably, yes.
Yes, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Um so um I was gonna ask you something before I got distracted by my stupid my stupid remark.
Um so um if w w what do you find Oh no I was gonna ask you?
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna I know I was gonna ask you.
Um do you've do you find that people are d do you have ever wake up normas?
Do you do do you find that do you you you get clients who've been recommended to you and and they suddenly start realizing stuff after you've treated them?
Do you do you have any well, you know, uh uh most people come to me because they um they resonate with what I do anyway.
So it's it's i if I was yeah, so most people come to me voluntarily because they're into what I do.
So most people come uh kind of but not everybody's on the same.
I mean, I find I had to make a decision very early on about the whole vaccine issue, um, and whether I would, you know, because obviously I'm in contact and during lockdown, of course, we were all closed down, so I stopped uh what I was doing.
It wasn't the COVID that was worrying me, it was the vaccines afterwards because um what you mean you you might be you you might um by touching people with them, you might have a decision.
I had to decide, well, what am I gonna do?
Because I don't know if there is such a thing as shedding.
I don't know, I don't know enough, I don't know what's going on.
I think it's potential, there's a potential for it.
But I don't know how resilient my body is.
I don't know.
I have I haven't had the vaccines myself.
Um but I made a conscious decision and I just thought, well we're all in this together, to be honest with you.
Um whether you have the vaccine or not, we're all affected by it.
You know, if there is shedding, that's gonna happen whether I'm standing in the the bank queue or the the supermarket queue.
If we're all coming into contact with each other, we can't avoid it now.
It's it it's unavoidable.
Um I haven't and won't ever have something put directly into my body like that.
That's my choice.
But sometimes we have conversations as part of the consultation or um just generally in conversation.
Um and I will express my views, but not in a in a kind of preachy way.
It's just like well, I haven't had the vaccine or you know, just just general comments, because I don't think like you said before, it's not my place to preach or to try and convert anybody.
Um it's it it's about embracing um we are all we are all in this together.
Um just you know, I feel that I do the best I can to help people.
What one of the things that has happened a lot I've noticed is that there's a a high a higher um incidence of anxiety, um depression.
Whereas percentage of my clients would come with a bit of anxiety, now nearly all of them are saying they're on antidepressants or anti anxiety.
It it's really really worrying.
So I feel at least I could I can do something, I can help, I can I and I can show you that you can do this, you know, but this is a natural process what you know we're engaging in here.
You have your body has a capacity to heal itself, to look after itself in the right way, in the right context, you know, given the right opportunity.
Um and essential oils, I mean I'm just doing this research into hemp oil.
It's anti anxiety.
And it does it really works.
You know, the uh you know and again this is part of relaxing the client.
Um they let go the the massage um soothes them.
But the essential oils do work psychoemotionally.
They absolutely do work.
Um whether they believe it or not it is sort of beyond belief because they're chemicals.
So yes it helps if you believe in what you're you're doing but actually they work irrespective of it as well.
I watch the results myself 'cause you know I think presumably hemp oil works on the same principles as C B D, doesn't it?
Yes up to a point.
It doesn't have obviously isn't psychotrophic in the same way.
It doesn't have the same it doesn't have the um but it's like um yeah it's uh I spike nod's another one I use that's a root oil or Valerian um but they they work similarly they work on the nervous system.
Um so they they are deeply relaxing.
The the the they're very good anti anxiety, you know that anxiety, that stress, that sort of racing heart, that feeling nervous, that's you know sweating hands.
They're good at calming that down.
Um so you don't need to take um these medications and the thing is it puts puts the power back in your own hand and that's a big part of healing as well is taking control and having a sense of control and choice.
So it you know you're you know you're encouraging people to take responsibility for their own health.
And that's course most of my clients are already doing that because they come to me anyway and then they're more inclined to go to an to an osteopath if you suggest it or an acupuncturist because they're already on that page.
Yeah.
So it's not like I'm just sort of talking to people on the street.
Because obviously there are a lot of people who don't agree with what I'm doing or you know think it's woohoo or it's weird um you know it's trivial.
Yeah.
Yeah you sort of you sort of answered my my my last question for you really w which was w what are the areas that that your stuff particularly works on.
sounds like
anxiety at the moment particularly yeah yes well my i've been quite busy yes yes i'm glad to be i'm glad to be i feel like i want to do something this is a thing sort of existentially and sort of generally you know this the whole thing we're all in this together and i i feel a sense of um it's a little i can do you know everyone's got their expertise we've got farmers
we've got everybody's got something they can do to create this world that we want to live in or world we want to go back to we well we can never go completely back because we're going to integrate a lot of what we've learned and a lot of what you know the developments that we've made so but we have the ability to work together as an i don't like to use the word alternative but i don't like the way we're being corralled into this sort of one world
government you know one currency one of us too It's just dehumanizing.
It's not human.
We need these social interactions.
We need our sensuality.
We thrive in good company.
We thrive in interacting with each other.
So all of this isolation, which is what's going on, subtly taking everything away from it so that we become dependent on others and not on each other, we need to reestablish our interaction with each other and support of each other and working with each other.
But we all have, we can't do everything.
We all have a role to play.
This is my role.
It's what I can offer.
And I feel it's almost like a service or something I'm giving back or showing my gratitude.
I'm showing my gratitude for being alive or whatever.
That's where I feel the exchanges and that we can enrich each other.
other and support each other.
Yeah.
Amen.
Yeah yeah I I I that that I I agree.
We're all doing a a bit.
Um this is to do kind of comedy comedy podcasts crazy crazy stuff.
Um yeah well thank you Heather um I I yeah thank you for for the for the work you do and and um for like thank you for enlightening us on on aromatherapy.
Um tell us where we can read your book, get hold of your books and okay um well they're online.
I've got um my latest one is about healing um anxiety um Essentials for anxiety so that's uh quite an easy read that's just come out.
The others are about nuts and bolts.
So you can get them um any bookshop online.
Oh yes you've got my book yeah so I I wrote that book to to be as as sort of as not too complicated but as as informative as possible.
Like I said I wrote written my books so that p other people can do it for themselves.
I can't treat everybody and I can't teach everybody but writing a book or writing articles or putting it out there or doing this kind of thing you can reach a broader audience and it's it's about helping others to help themselves.
You know I've I've I've dived into a central oils so I've got a good background information about how to use them.
So let me share that with you so that you can get started on a better platform than I started on.
You know so that you can you know go straight in you know into it safely and effectively be careful of that phrase safe and effective.
Oh sorry oh my gosh no please see the the programming is strong.
Yes yes very hard but it's Trojan horse because it's a good sentiment.
That's what you want but it's like the Barnum statements you know they're being used to sort of like um uh sort of wash oh yeah sort of like wash our brains um before you go what what what what is your your fah I mean I I I'm glad you mentioned Spike nard.
Is that is that how you pronounce it spike nicely spike nerd yeah it's in the Bible.
And spicard comes from Valerian you say.
It's from the same family.
It's it's a use the roots it comes in the same family.
Yeah.
It's it's less obnoxious because Valerian is extremely it's got a very sort of strong almost like rotting peas.
It's got a strong smell and and spike nards are a gentler version of it in terms of the scent.
It's sweeter it's it's it's I I like it.
Yeah.
Can we find it in our gardens it depends on the part of the world that you live in.
I'm not sure if we we I'm not sure about Spike Nard.
I think maybe it comes more from India and it depends on the climate, yes.
Yeah.
It just it it is it is one of those things that one finds cropping up in long descriptive passages in in novels for example set in sort of I don't know who is boudoirs or something.
Spike spike nods it's used in perfumery as well so it's it's been yes it's yeah.
In fact, maybe, does it appear in the Bible?
I think it might do.
It does, it does, yes, yes, yes.
It doesn't, the, when Jesus is getting his foot massage, isn't that?
Yes, yes, yes.
It's got a type of it.
Yes, yes, yes.
So probably, it's probably, probably being infused in olive oil or oil, because she massages his feet with it.
So, and it would have come from India.
It would have been part of the trade of the day.
So it was, it was very expensive.
so okay it's saying we're reconnecting again I don't know if we've going off oh well let's hope you're saying we nine percent uploaded which is a bit a bit a bit grim but but let's hope that if you leave your computer on it will eventually catch up and with this won't be another disaster where we've not making conversation which is which is lost yes if it is it is it is we'll just have to sort of I don't know what we'll do we'll do it again.
Um Heather thank you for a lovely chat um thank you um I I've enjoyed greatly.
And um Yeah.
Oh, everyone else.
Like I appreciate your support greatly.
I particularly appreciate those who you who make the effort to give me financial support.
Uh it's really hard on Substat.
I'm sure they're limiting the numbers.
Uh whether you have better luck with Patreon or locals, I don't know, whether you just want to just buy me a coffee or I mean I'm increasingly think you just contact me directly and and and just bung me some bung me some money because the system is it is it is it is really they're really trying to make it hard.
But thank you for those who those of you who do make the effort and those who don't.
Well, thanks for watching anyway, and and and please keep spreading the word.
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Thank you very much, and thank you again, Heather Godfrey.
Thank you very much, James.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's gonna kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it, it's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
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