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I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, invisible Henry Martin.
I've decided to make myself invisible too, just because it's weird having people looking at my face and not at yours.
You want to stay fairly anonymous insofar as that's possible for anyone.
I mean, they know who you are, I'm sure.
anyway yeah i'm sure at some point i will be doxed but i'd rather have that be later rather than sooner that's fine that's fine i can tell you you're a young person.
Do you know how I can tell you you're a young person?
Is it because I'm dressed quite badly?
No, it's because you do that thing where you, you, you go up at the end of a sentence.
Oh, okay.
That's all right.
Tell me about yourself.
Well, I'm Well, what you can tell me about yourself.
Well, I'm 23.
Yep.
And I came down the rabbit hole or towards the more sensible centre, as I would call it, during COVID.
Because I used to be quite a hardcore libertarian.
Yep.
And because I was finishing off my A levels during COVID when the first lockdown happened, I got to see it from quite a young person's perspective, which was basically the only reason as far as I can tell the young people went along with COVID was basically because they wanted to sit at home and watch Netflix and watch porn all day.
And don't forget and go on holidays.
Yeah, and go on holidays.
Oh, so that's why they took the jab.
I'm conflating separate issues.
Yeah.
You're probably right.
I did get the impression at the time because I had children of that age during COVID.
And it seemed to me that a lot of the government's campaigns were aimed at working psychologically manipulating the young into accepting this with mini bribes.
Like you can have the right to go on holiday or you can stay at home watching Netflix and porn, as you say.
Yes, and that's what got me into going from someone who was broadly in favour of democracy into someone who is quite opposed to it, because essentially what I learned from COVID is most people, it's not just that they're stupid, it's that they have such poor impulse control that they will do whatever feels good for them.
So that's how I became a bit more of an elitist and a bit of an unorthodox political thinker.
Yes.
And basically that's how I ended up getting involved with what my friend would broadly call the freedom movement.
It's interesting that you characterise your former self as libertarian, because I think I went on a similar journey.
I thought of myself as a libertarian.
And I suppose one of the tenets of libertarianism is that left to the...
their own devices more or less people will do the right thing and goodness will emerge and i think you you've you've noticed as i i've noticed that People are not necessarily, well, I personally don't think it's, obviously we're all made of human clay.
We're all flawed.
We're all possessed of original sin and so on.
But I do get the feeling, I don't know whether you do, that a lot of the, a lot of the malaise you've identified in human behaviour is really down to programming.
It's it's almost not people's, we've Young people have found themselves growing up in a culture which is calculated to bring out their worst behavioural traits.
I agree with that to a point.
So I would be more able to deal with that and make the right decision.
Whereas I think because of the way people are educated and brought up they have considerably less impulse control.
And along with that, the more you engage in self-destructive behaviour, whether that's allowing your vices, your sexual desires to constantly control aspects of your life or your need for disgusting food such as McDonald's.
Your ability to control those impulses declines the more you engage in them.
Yeah.
So I can see where you're coming from and I would agree with you.
And the good thing is that there are well-established ways of teaching children, young people and even adults how to make the better decisions and control and at least contain their desires for vice.
How is that?
Well, so what I've noticed is I'm Catholic and a lot of Catholics, especially young Catholics are very against things like pornography as they should be because it's demonic and it is demonic isn't it I'm glad it's good to hear you say that I think it is actually a form of harvesting that the demons harvest sexual energy don't they I'm not as
con I don't know enough about demonic entities to give you an answer on that but the demonic aspect of pornography is essentially it takes something good which is sex which proper place is within marriage and it takes it into the form of consumerist entertainment where you as the pornography viewer are just watching it and you're engaging with something as important and sacred as sex from a consumerist point of view, which is probably what I mean by demonic.
So I mean it in the symbolic sense that it is symbolically demonic.
However, I'm not opposed to the idea that there are literal demons who are being fed by pornography because that the church teaches that what sin is is it's sin is behaviour that takes you away from God and empowers the devil.
So even in the literal sense, I think that something like pornography can be described as demonic.
Yeah.
I think with respect, if you're going to use a word like demonic, it shouldn't be used as a metaphor.
Take it from me.
Demons are real.
And the process I've described is there.
I just think if you start using a word like demonic and you don't actually mean literal demons, what you're doing is you're...
You're depriving it of its power and its true meaning.
Yeah.
But you're convincing me of that.
You're doing a good job of convincing me on that.
And in the academic sense, I do generally get annoyed with people who use language too broadly and use words in such broad sense that you don't really understand what they're meaning.
But with the way of controlling vices is there has been historical traditions that would teach people how to cope with certain vices.
example fasting is a very effective way of teaching yourself how to control your bodily desires and engage in them when it's appropriate to and the problem that i think a lot of people are struggling within the 21st century and learning how to control their voices is for the most part the traditions that people would have been taught and been part of that would enable you to control your voices most people have been detached
from those for generations so it's a very hard thing for most people to learn how to control their vices in a way that is productive and doesn't make it worse so the point i was going to make about what i've observed religiously is lots of people who i know anecdotally and i would also include some priests in this control certain desires they have by replacing them with other vices for example they'll replace i
don't know their desire for sex with being an alcoholic a lot of that isn't there traditionally in the catholic church yes there is somewhat and Yeah.
But I've seen it with other Christians who are trying their best to control their vices and their desires.
And they end up replacing it with something else, which may or may not be worse so that they can be free from particular vices.
Yes.
By the way, I will not.
Anyone listening to this podcast and thinking, why?
Where is this one going?
We're going to.
going to talk a bit later on about something that that you you've become a sort of mini expert on which is on the use of the law by awake people, how you can make it work for you in a system which has been deliberately stacked against you.
Is that right?
Yes.
So we're talking about that in the moment.
I'm interested in that, but I wasn't...
One does hear that there has been a kind of Christian revival in the country.
And I know the Catholic Church has been having lots of new recruits.
And I think you are the first young...
So I'm quite interested in finding a bit about that first.
What's been your experience?
Is your church now full of early 20 something getting into getting into uh catholicism yes and no so taking your question at face value the answer is no my church is mostly full of boomers okay what what's the am i a boomer um what i mean boomers is in someone who is over 65 or in and about that age.
Oh, okay, right.
So yeah, I think I'm Generation X actually not a boomer, but yeah.
So is that still the case?
It's very few young men.
But you used to live in London up until two weeks ago and my churches there that I would go to, I would go to the Catholic Church in Liverpool Street and because I used to live in East London and I didn't end up going to church in East London or Mass because basically everyone was foreign and I just couldn't engage with them.
Right.
So I like going to Mass, both the spiritual experience and also the social experience.
I do enjoy talking to people who are other fellow Christians because in doing what I do, I don't meet that many.
But to answer your question, there has been a revival in the number of Christians my age and it has been somewhat significant but the reason you don't really see that in the congregations is it's gone up significantly I think when I last looked at the statistics it was something like 100% increase in the number of regular church goers who are of a certain age yeah but the number of regular church goers who were
I don't know, below 35 or whatever, was such a small number of people that even if it has a 200% increase in most churches, you would be talking even big churches you'd be talking about having two going from two to six.
Right, okay.
Yeah.
In places like the London Oratory, for example, which I go for mass quite often, there is a significantly larger cohort of young people, but it's not the majority.
Right.
Does that answer your question?
Yes.
Yes, it does.
Yeah, you're right.
if you're going from a low base, even a 200% increase is not, it's not very dramatic.
So, Henry, tell me, Yes.
And I mean, you're very young to be giving legal advice.
I might, or rather, yeah.
Commentary.
Tips, commentary.
Imagine you're kind of a dedicated researcher.
I imagine you're one of those people who likes getting buried into...
Is that right?
Yes, I'm quite a quick study.
And from the age of 16 until I was 21, I basically had no friends because I'd moved schools and because of my extracurricular activities I've rocked and ice climb all over the world and I do high level martial arts okay I'm too high energy for most people right so I'm the type of person who is either on or off so I am quite a quick study and I am quite a deep researcher I will go into something and
explore all aspects of it Well, I'm trusting you.
I'm going to go with you.
So let me outline the problem I think a lot of awake people have, especially the newly awake.
To give this country as an example, they've been brought up to believe that the British legal system, rather than the English legal system, English common law, is the envy of the world and that our judiciary are incorruptible and admirable.
And they hear names bandied about like Lord Denning and they're told that you've won the lottery in life to have been born British because everyone is equal before the law and etc, etc.
And then they wake up and they go, hang on a second.
All this stuff we were taught just ain't true and obviously ain't true.
The law system, the legal system is unequal.
It favors certain privileged people who get away with with with murder.
Judges are not especially in certain sense of sections of the law like family law.
Judges can be extremely dodgy.
Is that a fair analysis of the situation in which we find ourselves?
Yes and no.
So I would put less onus on the judges in the British context for the way that the law is not.
It actually is because...
one of the things I talk about in my book is it's a US-UK comparison.
So the reason I did that is the British legal system...
Is it called Law Fair?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's called law fair.
Which, by the way, that's a word that triggers me.
It makes me think instantly of this technique that bad people use, like environmentalists.
I mean, the environmentalists love using law fair to stop worthwhile things being done and to ensure that worthless things get injected into our system.
And I'm very suspicious of environmentalists.
And I'm sure there are other activist movements which also use law fair for nefarious ends.
And yet you're writing about law fair.fare from a positive perspective.
You're arguing that it can be our friend, is that right?
I'm arguing basically yes.
So what I chose to do in the book is the word lawfare gets chucked about a lot, especially in a political context where from my observations of people who use it, they don't really know what they mean by the term lawfare.
So what I've done in the book is I've come up with, I've defined the term lawfare broadly, which is using the law.
The original definition of lawfare came from the military, and it's using the law as a weapon of war.
So what they mean by that is doing things like using.
domestic laws of countries to get assets of foreign or enemy states impounded in third party countries.
So that's where the term lawfare came about.
And the term lawfare as a political term doesn't really have a long-standing way of academics using it outside of the climate change nonsense.
But what I tried to do in the book was discuss the topic of political lawfare and start by making it quite specific and go through techniques of political lawfare.
So the book's broken up into a few chapters which are focused on different strategies of lawfare.
So one strategy that I use a lot or I discuss is the control of language.
So that can be using...
I can, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so the main one of the strategies that I diagnose is control of language.
So that includes everything from overt censorship to using legislation such as the Climate Change Act or the Equalities Act to require people within organisations and wider society to pretend that something is true as a form of compelled speech.
Right, yes.
So an example of that would be the public sector equality duty as section 149 of the Equalities Act gives organisations a duty to have equality of opportunity and any other type of equality as defined in the Act to be seen as a good thing and as a goal to be worked towards.
So that effectively works as a form of compelled speech.
And then I have the topic of legal misinformation, which is miscommunication.
misleading people about how the law works to achieve a particular political goal so an example of that would be the conservatives constantly blaming left-wing judges for the difficulties in creating a sensible immigration policy yes The conservatives pretend that they have pretended for decades that they couldn't do something about it and are putting it all on the judges when the judges,
for the most part are applying the law as written, especially in immigration context.
And I'm sure many people watching or listening will disagree with me there, but I'm happy to have that debate with anyone who wants it.
And then overwhelming and scorched earth, what I mean by that is I mean literally overwhelming the system.
So the way that works for illegal immigration, for example, is the system is set up so that people have multiple rights of appeal for their asylum decision or other immigration decisions.
But what that means is the scope of the system to deal with large numbers of complaints or large numbers of appeals is quite limited.
So if you're a left wing NGO and you provide legal advice and support to refugees, essentially what you can do is you can overwhelm that system so that no one actually gets deported.
Yeah.
Then chapter five is on character destruction.
And that should be quite obvious.
what I'm on about there is using any kind of use of the law to destroy someone's character.
So that could be going to find people who used to be in someone's life to find false allegations or any of that stuff.
Whether those allegations are true or false is dependent and I go through a couple of examples in the book.
Then chapter seven I talk about legislating from the bench which I would argue because of the way the British judiciary works is less common in the UK but what I mean is laws making judges making law and the mechanisms used that have led to those judges being in that position to make that law.
And then chapter eight is on strategic lawsuits, which is quite a broad term.
So you're outlining the system as it is, about how the system is used to do things like deprive us of free speech.
Yes.
And to destroy the character of good people.
Yes.
I also in each chapter will go through, OK, how can sensible people use this?
Yes.
To our advantage.
So I discuss particular ways on how...
how people can protect their own freedom of speech and be immune from tactics such as compelled speech working.
So in the chapter two, which is control on language one of the problems that i sort of notice is happening with state-enforced compelled speech whether that's through climate change legislation or equalities legislation is the more someone says something the more they believe it yeah so though there's very little you can do outside of repealing things like equalities legislation or
climate change legislation to stop people from being forced to discuss this stuff from a positive view at work, you can defeat the effect of them being compelled to say certain things by just having conversations with people in your own sort of private spheres in terms of them believing climate change nonsense and equality's nonsense for example there's nobody I know and
I credit myself for this who believes the world's going to end in 10 years because of climate change or who thinks that any other sort of nonsense state narrative because if you have a conversation with someone and you construct that conversation in a productive and healthy way a lot of these state narratives are very easy to defeat Well, I agree with that, but I mean, isn't that pretty much self-evidently true without, I mean, without needing to read that chapter.
I mean, it's what people do.
Yeah.
So the chapter isn't just on that topic.
Right.
Of talking to people, but that is something that does come up in it.
Yeah.
I don't want to spoil it too much by going through what I'm on about in that chapter, but basically the way that I've framed that chapter is considerably more of an explanatory chapter than a sort of productive call to action because the problem we've got in the UK is in terms of freedom of speech we have quite limited freedom of speech and as has been documented years ago by my friend Swamp and Evelyn and
has come about recently the British state has basically got a monopoly on surveillance on what people say through the internet yes but there's other chapters like my misinformation chapter where I have a sort of productive dialogue on things like legal misinformation and the ways around that from a sensible centrist or pro-freedom point of view.
Well, yeah, so expand on that a bit.
What do you mean by legal misinformation?
What I mean is you can have it both accidentally and both deliberate.
What I mean is where someone is putting out either deliberately or accidentally a misleading narrative on the law and how it works.
So the example that's my favorite is the conservatives with immigration, but there are other examples.
For example, feminists.
often when they've been pushing for changes to legislation to make it easier to prosecute someone for rape or some other offence will protect will put out a narrative that says the law isn't adequate because of this case.
And because law is complicated and difficult for people to understand, the Joe public will believe often their feminist narrative, but that's just one example, and go along with it and be in favour for legislation being made considerably more broad and wide-reaching because they've been duped into thinking there is a problem.
And the same is also true for anti-terror legislation and the online harms bill, for example.
People have been convinced that there is a problem and there aren't legitimate statutory instruments to deal with that problem.
For example, the main justification to Joe Public of the online harms bill has been, oh, it can stop kids watching pornography when there's already on the books a broad range of licensing laws that could have been used to make it harder for kids to access pornography.
Or what you could do is you could just make smartphones and unsupervised access to the internet an age-restricted activity.
So that's broadly what I mean by the topic of legal misinformation.
I mean it either being used to deflect responsibility, as has been done by the Conservative and the HIV Party and the government, saying we can't do anything about illegal migration or even legal migration because the human rights legislation is preventing us from doing anything.
Yeah, I get all this, but a lot of awake people are going to be listening to this and thinking, well, yeah.
I know this that the system is designed to push forward legislation and expand legislation by presenting people with an imaginary crisis which the this new legislation is then supposed to to to solve but we know that politicians are lying to us and we know that the that legislation is is then I mean, it's part of their game.
But the question is, how much of this stuff are we obliged to take seriously and how much of it can we ignore?
Well, yes, that is something that I do sort of discuss in the chapter because the because I'm of the more realistic view of viewing law, I basically define law and understand law to mean rules set by the government that are backed up by force.
Yeah.
So in terms of what do you have to follow, essentially what you have to follow is whatever the government is compelling you to do.
Yeah.
So does that answer your question?
Well, yeah, but it's a bit of a council of despair.
I mean, if that's the solution, then we're a bit bugged, aren't we?
I was hoping you were going to give me a few sort of fixes for this.
Well, it depends on what the problem is and how to fix it.
So things like engaging in local administrative politics does work.
It's just incredibly boring for most people.
One of the things I'm a massive champion of is getting involved in your local area, whether that's through just being aware of what's going on what the local council are doing and moving from there so one of the things i do in the book is i explain to people and lay out to people what administrative and minor political structures can be used to achieve political goals so so
So one of the things I'm a big advocate for is official complaints and not Twitter complaints.
And there is a limit to what writing official complaints can do.
But often, especially at the local level, you can get quite a lot done by writing a politely worded letter to the right person on a particular issue.
It's just most people don't do that because it's boring.
So one of the things I did at university
was through sort of religious activities was pushing against allowing particular people or organizations into schools and often you can it won't work all the time but if you get enough people doing it and you understand the process of escalating it your complaint or whatever sort of minor local action you're taking you can normally stop people from subversive forces from doing a particular thing.
There has been some success with mosques.
There's been different people other to myself.
There's also been success with migrant hotels where people have managed to stop a migrant hotel from being put in their area because they've got on it early and what they've done is they've made it clear to the home office or their local council that they're better off doing a migrant hotel somewhere else.
Right.
So one of the examples I use in the book is Drag Queen's Dorial, for example.
people making official complaints I would argue does a lot more than protests because unless your protest is super large and well-organized and popular in your local area most people's response to a protest is oh it's annoying yes yes I'm not sure yes whereas if you get onto an issue early and are exploring any sort of legal options you have,
making official complaints and making people talk about the dangers of letting someone into a school who is in drag which is quite a sexualized form of entertainment let's say yes normally you can get somewhere because especially at the lower ends of the system most people that i met most people that i've had contact with whether it's local schools councils or what
whatever on evil or don't intend on doing evil they just don't understand it yes because they're a bit thick and lazy yes if you can point out to someone in a clear way that makes them feel that you have good intentions, that something isn't a good idea, especially if it's private, then you can normally get somewhere.
Yeah.
And you have things like planning rules, official planning objections that can also work for migrant hotels.
And on my sub stack, I didn't talk about in the book, but a couple of years ago I talked about the issue with...
which is increased crime rates, violence, sexual abuse.
Most people aren't comfortable talking about those issues.
hardly ever get brought up in an official capacity what
often happens with those type of issues is they're only spoken about on the internet and they're seen as persona non grata whereas if you have the confidence to even in private capacity through official complaints or making a planning application or whatever or planning rejection or whatever essentially what you can get is you can actually get somewhere with your pet
issue whatever it is because as soon as you bring up a Have you ever come across him?
the name rings a bell not really he's he's a bit more woo than he's he's think he quite believes in uh space aliens and other dimensions but he's one of his one of his um things that he talks about quite a lot is precisely what you're doing is is making it clear to like
And instantly, they're on the back foot because they're all squeamish about any form of anything that might put their jobs at risk.
And so what you're saying makes a lot of sense.
Do you explain in the book how to pursue these official complaints in an effective way?
That's really good.
Sorry to be sort of trying to pin you down to stuff, but I think it's very important to get what's what's most useful out of you out of you and sort of skip past the stuff that one might consider to be pabulum for those of us who are kind of awake there's a lot we understand but I think we are hungry for ways of defeating this this system which is which is generally stacked against us yeah I
certainly I do apologize to your audience for being a bit maybe stating the obvious and if you want me to talk about strategies that I do have and maybe discuss in the book or elsewhere I'm happy to do so.
I think we should talk about that, but can I say you are absolutely right that it's often apathy or inertia that stops us doing this stuff.
For example, the other day I had a call from a Tory councillor on Essex Council who said, you're never going to believe this.
I've just been into this, prevent the government's anti-terrorism Quango, sent a representative into my council and gave us a briefing on anti-terrorism and stuff.
stuff and your name came up and I said what and he said yes you were you were branded on their their um what are they called um where they have powerpoint and that their powerpoint you appeared as a right wing oh sorry far right influencer and he said I complained I said you're not you know why is this guy being branded a potential terrorist and what I should have done and
perhaps will do at some stage when I can be asked, but I haven't done at the moment, which is appalling, is I haven't asked them about this.
It's outrageous that I should be accused of essentially being a terrorist adjacent.
I'm not even far right, whatever that means anyway, but if I won't go to that trouble when I'm accused of being terrorist adjacent, it's no wonder that people don't they just can't be bothered to go through the paperwork, can they?
No, yeah, they can't be bothered and they don't know where to look because in the UK civics knowledge is actually quite poor.
And what I mean by that is understanding your system of government.
Most people on the street couldn't tell you how your government works, how parliamentary bills are go through parliament are turned into law, how your local area works and things like that.
So a bit quite a bit of the book is some quite boring civics stuff wrapped up in interesting stories and discussions of the news because unfortunately most people who I'm involved with politically don't have a deep inbuilt understanding of basic civics.
Yes.
Can you give us the civics 101?
Right, okay.
Yeah.
Basically for the book, I sort of lay out, and the reason I chose to do the US and UK comparison is in Britain we have parliamentary sovereignty and then in America you have constitutional sovereignty and most other places you have some mix of the two what that means in practice for large-scale constitutional changes in the US it's essentially done by the Supreme Court so gay marriage being a requirement throughout America
was because of the Obergefeld v.
Hodges decision it was a judge-led position and in most parts of traditional or even federal American politics at about the time of the Obergefeld v.
v hodge's decision it was at best a non-issue but worse something that most politicians at the time were opposed to whereas in the uk and many other countries what had to happen for gay marriage to be legalized was it had to get a parliamentary majority so in terms of basic civics understanding british politics is quite easy when
you understand that essentially the
the highest form of power in the UK comes from Parliament, at least on paper, and then from there you have different administrative bodies quangos and so on and so forth that wield different powers so most of the quangos that were set up by blair have their own areas of expertise or interest where they can make regulations on which is known as secondary legislation however If
those quangos were wanted by Parliament to be got rid of, that could be done quite easily.
So the quangos don't really have as much power as we might think, although I'm currently terrified by Ofcom.
My old school friend, my old home friend, Melanie Dawes.
I went to her either her 18th or 21st birthday party.
It was on the day they had Band Aid or Live Aid, I forget which.
I remember screens in her house having it on.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second.
This girl that I used to know is now turning this country into...
Yeah.
Yeah, the Kwangos don't have very much power when their power is compared or contrasted with Parliament.
So getting rid of Ofcom, for example, would simply just be a case of getting rid, just enacting a piece of legislation to get rid of Ofcom.
The problem is that a lot of these Quangos, Ofcom in particular, is given by numerous pieces of legislation.
It's given a very large political remit as to what it can and cannot do as a regulator.
So on the one hand, Quangos aren't that powerful when compared to Parliament, but in practice they are because Parliament's given them such or such significant powers that essentially they can do what they want.
Right.
By the way, just raising a point you mentioned earlier, although the American system, constitutional law, and we have this where the parliament is sovereign, we've ended up with the same thing.
We've both got gay marriage.
Yes, we have.
And isn't that suggestive that actually because I know that the US Supreme Court is deeply corrupt.
I used to think it was not.
And then I realized how many of them have been to Epstein Island and stuff.
I know that our parliament is similarly corrupt.
It seems to me that you've got two parallel corrupt systems which are almost beyond the reach of the citizenry or whatever to do anything about them.
Right, so I disagree it's beyond the reach of the citizenry.
It's just going to be incredibly difficult and take a large amount of time to get anywhere politically.
Okay.
So I think everyone in your audience would agree with me that blackmail.
rings are essentially something that's somewhat universal throughout human history.
Yeah.
Okay, so the reason you get those two results are the same, whether it's gay marriage or whether it's anything else you care to name, is because our political elite to varying degrees are part of blackmail rings or even at the lower ends, they just do what they want for money.
Or they just do what they're expected to do for money, whether that's direct threats or indirect threats.
But that's what it's based on, the sort of blackmail rings that are inevitable in politics.
But the reason I point out the systematic difference in how law is made is it does affect the possibilities of those rules to be implemented.
So can I talk about climate change as an example?
Please.
Right.
So in the UK, the nuts climate policies that have tried to.
be implemented by various types of international organisations have been less worse than they have in other jurisdictions.
I'll use the example of the Netherlands for example.
The Netherlands as part of their constitution has direct effect of international law.
What that means is that for international law to be binding in the Netherlands it just has to be agreed upon by their executive as part of a treaty or whatever.
Whereas in the UK and in America it has to be ratified by parliament or in the American case congress.
And what that has meant is the worst successes of not climate change policy has been in places like the Netherlands where there's very little oversight in the implementation of those rules because essentially what happens is a politician will agree to it somewhere and then the judiciary will start implementing it.
And the reason that system difference is important to consider is the way that the policies are implemented is very inconsistent because they're the forces of evil are essentially depending on the systems of each national government and country to implement things yeah and some systems have
Right.
So the point I'm making is our systems can be used to defend against this stuff to a degree, but it's very boring work and it takes some form of well-organised central planning.
I mean, how to push back against this stuff.
Central planning, what do you mean by that?
What I mean is, in terms of central planning from our point of view there needs to be there needs to be an understanding of what's coming next so that you can better organize people on the ground so that they can move early on and stop something from happening before it does so with epping for
example that has been a really good local response But I think what's difficult is when you get responses like that, it's very disorganized.
it's organized by some local people who perhaps aren't as far down the rabbit hole as us who don't get that these decisions are made years in advance yes so did you say epping epping yeah well so that's the there were some protests about one of those migrant hotels is that right and it got shut down right i see okay yeah it got moved but that was the result of very loosely
organized local protests
did achieve a lot in that instance but the point i'm making is that if you had a couple of not necessarily well-funded but organizations that were funded that had good local links to various different organisations, it would be much easier to get on top of problems such as migrant hotels before the hotel is there yes you're right i get that that's what i mean by central planning and
And one of the biggest problems with this is in our circles, there's a lot of, it's quite hard for us to work together.
And I think part of that is that it's to end up in the freedom movement or any other somewhat dissident political scene, you've got to be quite a disagreeable person.
So that makes organising quite difficult.
There is that, you're right.
There's the herding cats element, but there's also another element, which I don't know whether you're going to mention.
I might do.
Any organisation gets infiltrated almost instantly.
It's extraordinary.
Like every stand in the park, which is great, every single stand in the park has at least one infiltrator, well, a traitor.
they're there to to undermine um there were groups like that that were founded during covid which were clearly designed to to blunt blunt the resistance and but i but i i hear what you say we do need that that kind of intelligence um intelligence driven operations and intelligently conducted.
I mean, it'd be fantastic if there were an intelligence network whereby people knew almost the moment it was being decided which what the next venue for a for a migrant hotel was.
And then they could galvanize the resistance in an intelligent way.
But you can see the resources that the UK government has got and the US government, etc.
They've got limitless resources to infiltrate these.
The resistance.
Yeah, I hear you with this problem because I don't know whether you saw the piece about the basketball.
weavers and the undercover intelligence operative that infiltrated them.
No, I don't know what's that?
I don't know what I don't know.
Basically, on the Hope Not Hate report, they they sent an undercover operative into a group called the Basket Weavers, which is essentially a group of right-wing people who go to the pub together.
Oh, right.
And the either Hope Not Hate or MI5 had given this thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In my opinion, they are.
Yeah.
They'd given this guy, called Harry Schuckman, a fake passport.
Oh, yeah.
And, uh, and depending on who you ask, a fake work history yeah and he had gone into this group where people basically just go to the pub with basically the resources of an undercover police officer and traveled on or apparently traveled on a fake passport and i do agree with you that there is going to be a problem in any sort of organization
effort because the police and hope not hey m i5 whether though or some version of the three are willing to use basically the same tactics as the government has used for terrorists to deal with people going to the pub let alone having some form of productive political organisation.
I don't really know what the solution to that problem is other than using some of the perfectly legal tactics that other organisations do to make sure or reduce the chance of them being infiltrated by spies, basically.
And that is quite expensive.
For example, there are organisations that do thorough
vetting of people, but they spend thousands of pounds if not hundreds of thousands of pounds doing it because one of the criticisms the basket weavers had was oh your quality control or vetting isn't good enough but you're not going to spend tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of pounds doing a full background check on someone who's just going to the pub no so there's it's very hard to organise in a way without being infiltrated because you'd looking
into the future to create some sort of centralized organization that would work collaboratively with local interested parties would either be really expensive because you'd have to vet everyone who got involved to quite a high degree or it would risk being destroyed by infighting or other intelligence assets yeah exactly so what do we do try
because because if you you do get infiltrated by intelligence operatives and you're running quite a boring organization that is using freedom of information requests for example to work out years in advance or months in advance where,
I don't know, migrants are being housed so local partners can use lawful political activism to prevent that from happening or making it as hard as possible.
You're not actually doing anything illegal.
And if someone infiltrates your group, the worst thing they can do is they can make it harder for you by being a nuisance.
That's true.
I just didn't briefly interrupt you.
It's, I always feel like kind of sorry for, I'm sure that every event, every live event I've done, I will have had MI5 77th or similar sending in their representatives to come and sort of spy on the occasion.
And it's just, it's just the nature of the beast.
I think, why would you bother with somebody like me?
Because I mean, I'm just a kind of an entertainer who just happens to be a fan.
happens to be also Christian and happens to know how the world really works but in terms of it's not as though I'm fermenting It's not like I'm fomenting violent revolution.
It's not like I'm doing anything that could well, you couldn't interpret it as illegal.
I don't think it's the illegality.
I think it's I think you're right.
It's the it's more the they can put a spanner in the works.
They can sabotage.
They can Yeah.
Okay, fair enough.
I agree with you.
Try.
Yeah, because I don't know about you, but because of my extracurricular activity, rock climbing all over the world and martial arts, I'm a pretty good judge of character and I'm pretty good at getting rid of people out of my life who aren't trustworthy.
So this infiltrator to basket weavers for example because I'm been involved in basket weavers what happened with this person is yes they had their fake passport and they had infiltrated the group but they were only they were in basket weavers about two and a half years ago.
Right.
And they got kicked out after two months because nobody liked them and found them really weird and dodgy.
You know, I found this as well.
There are some really weird and dodgy.
They're quite easy to spot, aren't they?
Yes, they are.
So.
So, yeah, I've had encounters because I am somewhat involved in organizing parties and stuff and social events for people on our side of things.
I've met quite a few undercover journalists and sussed them immediately.
So, the reason I sussed them is they start asking open questions about your political views.
And for those audience members who don't know, what I mean by an open question is a question that could elicit any sort of response.
So, basically, some of these people will ask lots of open questions about your political views and then when you ask them something back or what do you think of this they'll just flip it back on you and say well what do you think about that and after about an hour of someone doing that you're 90 percent sure that they don't belong yeah so the intelligence operative problem unless they
use really sophisticated and clever spies and intelligence officers i don't think is a huge problem for doing perfectly legal and boring organizational stuff like writing official complaints like teaching people how to stand up for their local area.
I don't think the intelligence operative issue is too much of a problem because you can normally suspect these people and if what you're doing is boring enough, they will eventually leave.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's one other thing I'd like to add to that, what you said about how to spot sort of dodgy because they are they're weird, they're unlikable, and they're cagey.
Are you still there?
Yeah, I'm still here.
They're weird, unlikable, and cagey, but they're also, I find that awake people.
are very, very open and capable of answering a question instantly.
They don't have to second guess their response.
They've got a view.
And beware anyone who has to kind of go through mental calculations before he or she tells you what they think.
Yeah, I think that's...
I've done like combat sambo, that type of thing.
What's your view on that Israeli one that they sell, Krav Maga?
Krav Maga, I think it's utter rubbish.
Is it?
Right, so the reason it's utter rubbish is because it doesn't, because the techniques are so dangerous, you can't actually practice them in anything like a live situation.
And from my experience doing things like Judo for over 10 years now, there's one thing doing a technique in a strictly demonstratory way and there's quite another to doing a technique when someone's trying to take your head off.
could you do you think from your judo training you could you could transform your demonstration technique into a kind of
effective yeah you could yeah so i know for a fact because of the amount of high level competitions i've done yeah that i can throw someone regardless of how much resistance they're putting in who is about 20 kilos heavier than me on the floor on their backside right Whereas whenever...
I've done things like boxing or MMA sparring with people who do Krav Maga, their ability to move and initiate techniques, whether that's throwing a punch or some grappling-based stuff, they're unable to do it in anything like a live scenario.
It's a lot harder to kick someone if they're moving than it is to kick someone if they're staying still.
And it's like you can try and eye gouge me, but my head movement is so well developed that if you try and gouge me in the eyes, I'm going to duck and roll you and grab hold of your arm, and then I'm going to either armlock it or chuck you on your backside and then start elbowing you.
Gosh.
Do you want to be my bodyguard?
No, I'm a peaceful person.
No, but that's the same I. That's exactly why I want you as my bodyguard, because we're both peaceful people.
You've got a very particular set of skills.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's an interesting take on, and tell me one more question before we move on to the other stuff.
kickboxing yes somebody told me that kickboxing is is a very sort of ineffective martial art because you're by raising your legs so high you're exposing your ghoulies to attack and the the actual kick is a wasted a bit of a wasted
maneuver i would say with kickboxing there is a skill curve on that so if you've done kickboxing for about a year yeah then that's probably a once you get past that and you're quite a good kick boxer yeah that becomes less true so one of the things that i do because i've got a j a judo mainly grappling background.
I like catching kicks.
Right.
So when I've done things like Muay Thai and stuff, I'm normally a lot better than people who've who are just sort of beginners or average.
Yeah.
Because I'll just catch their kicks and sweep them.
Yeah.
However, once you get to people who are quite high level kickboxers, yeah.
They normally will be able to tell halfway through launching a kick.
Yeah.
That you're going to try and catch it.
And then they'll just whip the kick down and throw another kick at you.
Because something like kickboxing is it's very a very fast pace and it's very hard if it's done properly and it requires you to be quite a flexible person.
Whereas something like boxing, it's a consistent level of improvement if you can stick at it because boxing, if you go to a decent boxing club, is very hard because they'll make you do press ups, they'll make you do box jumps and then they'll make you hit a bag for two minutes.
It's literally fun and good, isn't it, boxing?
Oh yeah, it's really good for you.
But as a form of martial art as well, it's good.
Yeah, it's good.
Boxing is physically hard but technically quite easy in my opinion.
Yeah.
Whereas something like Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is actually, I'll use BJJ as an example because Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is technically hard but often physically easy which is why it's so popular.
Whereas something like Judo or wrestling is technically hard and also physically hard.
Okay.
what is the top the tip top most in your in your opinion for for as a martial art i would say doing something like actually i'm not going to say mma because mma is only good if Whereas if it's for something like self-defense, I would say boxing is going to do you the world of good.
Because if you get go to a good boxing club, they'll teach you how to move and avoid things first.
Which is right.
So especially for, unless someone's trying to kill you, most self-defense situations is simply a case of removing yourself from the situation.
So if someone tries to punch you in the face, if you're going to a good boxing gym and you're training quite a lot you can just dodge someone's punch and walk away right which is what i recommend don't get into street fights people that's good i think in my case they're henry they'll probably want to kill me yes well i would say if someone is genuinely trying to kill you james yeah and they're not armed with ranged weapons such as rifles the best thing you can do
is work on your 100 yard dash and run away okay because if you're being attacked by someone with a machete or a knife yeah no matter how good of a martial artist you are yeah you're probably fucked.
That's good.
Henry, if you're on arm.
I appreciate this advice.
Thank you.
Okay.
No problem.
So let us just go back briefly to the law thing.
What, actually, this is, do you know what?
There's a lot of similarities here with martial arts.
We're looking for the enemy's weaknesses, aren't we?
Yes.
And so what would you say?
I'm assuming what you're going to tell me is that the enemy's weakness is he is susceptible to the grinding tedium of official complaints and process?
Basically yes.
Right.
That's basically it.
So, organizations, especially left-wing NGOs, have been able to get away with things because no one cares and no one knows what to do about it.
So, Lauren Southern about, this must have been about 2017, did a documentary where she got proof of someone or someone for a migrant legal advocacy organization telling migrants in Greece or somewhere like that to lie about their where they come from so on and so forth that's incredibly illegal and when that does happen and
people get caught they get struck off for example there's been cases in the uk where law firms have been fined extraordinary amounts of money and lawyers have been struck off for telling asylum seekers to lie about their age ability to speak english and things like that so It's just a case of taking something out of our spheres,
out of the internet, and putting it in front of the person who's responsible for dealing with that.
And you might not achieve what you want to achieve first time, but often there are appeal procedures where you can keep pushing your decision and try and get a decision in your favor.
So in this case, you're trying to get the lawyer struck off?
Basically, yes, because they do it to us.
And this isn't unjust, because if a lawyer is encouraging someone to lie about their age so they can be given asylum, they should be struck off because...
I think people are going, Yeah, strike the bastards off.
Strike them off now.
No, I think, do you know what?
I think a lot of the people in the awake movement, which is why there's a lot of Christians among us, have a very developed sense of morality.
Oh, yeah.
Very developed.
In fact, in fact, of course, that's that's it's it's it's our antidote to what is a an incredibly corrupt world.
It makes us more aware of the importance of morality.
So, yeah, that doesn't need to be explained.
But, but so we get the corrupt lawyers struck off.
I suppose we try and get we try and make our politicians accountable.
Yeah.
So, one of the things one of the things.
I have had conversations with people who run political organisations before is instead of just being popular, using that popularity to get what you want.
For example, I used to be a very good poker player and what I used to be very good at was putting pressure on people so they would be more reluctant to do things.
One such example is putting the fear of God into MPs who vote for unpopular things that we really don't like.
And the way you do that in a peaceful and legal way is because we are the majority of people, because we are able to access the majority of people through our internet audiences, you can actually achieve quite a lot by doing things that are quite boring, like organizing recall petitions or parliamentary petitions.
So one of the things that I tried to organise and epically failed at organising during the Boris Johnson government and later through Liz Truss and Wishi Sunak was I looked up at the time who was a Tory MP who had a marginal seat.
And what I was suggesting that people do at the time was organise a mass public recall on that MP.
Mm hmm.
Because.
Right.
Yeah.
So the thing is that actually hasn't been done before other than in personal scandals of MPs.
So I forget what the Tory MP's name was, but I think it was prior to 2020.
Some MP got recalled because of some sex scandal.
Yeah.
And one of the things I would suggest we do for holding MPs to account is start trying to do that.
But from an organisational point of view, to do that, you basically need better communication between people who try and organise things like that and content creators who are very popular.
Because for that to work, what you would need to happen is you would need to say, right, OK, here's the plan.
Yeah.
And then go to a large number of content creators who have constituents or have...
have viewers in that constituency and go right can you push this and then or then hopefully you would get somewhere Actually, Henry, here's a thought.
Speaking for myself, I find all this kind of thing, having to go through this stuff, achingly tedious, and I don't have to think about it.
but i recognize that your cause is just and i recognize that you know what you're talking about so for example i would very The organisation could just be you.
But if, but all you have to do is, is speak to a group of sympathetic.
podcasters with with it with with reach and say look guys would you mind awfully um participating with this i'll tell you what to do and what to say and and then you can help me execute my plan and that would require we we wouldn't be infiltratable because it's just you yes yes i'd do that great i'd help get any mp deselected They all deserve it.
They're all paedophiles.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, that's great to hear.
and that's a sort of breath of fresh air because I've been trying to do this for the past couple of years.
I wouldn't, by the way, that would advise you, I would never deselect any MP who was pro hunting and demonstrably pro hunting, but apart from that.
Yes, hunting is great.
I live in the countryside.
Hunting is really good.
Have you been?
Have I been hunting?
Yeah.
Not fox hunting, no, because horses don't like me, but I've done other types of hunting.
So I was at university in Scotland and I would go deer stalking occasionally and I'm quite good at butchering animals.
Ah, you can graloch.
Gralik, a stag.
That's good.
Yeah, butchery skills.
There's another thing we need.
Yeah, I admire you stalkers because I have to say, the idea of crawling for hours through tick-filled, tick-filled heather while being eaten alive by midges to get off one shot on the monarch of the glen.
Yeah, that, well, okay, so we agree on that.
So, yeah, I would help you.
And I'm sure others, I think some of us, some of us like me are of a, I mean, I think the reason people listen to my stuff partly is because they know that I'm slightly I can be slightly flip I mean I'm I'm utterly sincere underneath but but I'm I recognize that I am an entertainer and I have a very very very low low border threshold so anything to do with organization as people know unfortunately when they've tried to deal with me it's
hopeless I'm just I just lose interest so but but but but somebody like you you're very different from me I mean you've got the martial skills for one and an interest in law I'd I'd happily work with you and I'm sure I'm sure others would too.
Yeah, I can't say I've got anything in the pipe work at the moment.
Anyway, if you had, I wouldn't want you to give it away, but yeah, bear that in mind.
I will do.
Thank you very much, James.
And also, by the way, there will be people listening to this who will be thinking, well, I wasn't sure about this young chap at first, but actually having listened to him more, I really rather like what he's doing and I'd like to help him.
So these things work that way.
Yes, hopefully.
Anyway, so we're talking about, so any other, before we go, any other tricks that we should learn to do?
I'd say most of them are in the book.
So sorry to be a shell, but by the way.
No, that's fine, Henry.
I think that's good because it does sound like the sort of thing that cannot be explained away in a sentence on a podcast.
And I think people should get your book.
Look, I'm happy to sort of draw things to a close here, unless you've got anything else to say, just because I think you said some interesting stuff.
And it's not that I'm bored.
It's just that, actually, to be honest, it's my birthday tomorrow at the time of recording this.
And I've got a piece to write before.
And I need to get it out.
So, unless you've got other useful things that I ought to know.
Not really, no.
Well, I've really enjoyed I've I've honestly enjoyed talking to you very much.
And I would love people to buy your book, because it sounds like it's got some good ideas in it.
Tell us where we can find it and where we can find, well, obviously we can't find you, because you're anonymous.
Right.
So, my book is available on Amazon and Imperium Press.
I'd recommend you buy it from Imperium Press, which if you just type in Imperium Press, you'll see my book on the website and I have a Twitter which is at law reading and I have a substack called reactionary reading law which I try and update as often as possible but at the moment I'm quite hectically busy with extracurricular activities so there's not a lot of content on there every week however there's quite a long
back catalogue if anyone wants to go and read my articles.
Thank you.
Have you got a day job?
Have I got a day job?
Yes, I do.
Gosh, I don't know how you find time for it.
That's very, very impressive.
Thank you.
Well, thank you for all you do.
And, yeah, it's been really great.
Everyone else, I hope you've enjoyed Henry as much as I have.
I think he's a good chap and he deserves our support.
I obviously support me as well.
Yeah, me.
Hello, James.
I've noticed, by the way, that I lost like eight sub stack subscribers.
that are paying subscribers this month and i'm thinking it's probably not it's probably because their system is just conducive to makes it really hard rather to stay a subscriber a paid subscriber.
They seem to be all these glitches in the system.
All I would say is please make the effort.
Don't let them make it hard for you, impossible for you to support me.
I depend on you and I appreciate, I really do, everyone who is a paid subscriber.
Obviously I like the kind of fair weather sponging freeloaders bless you all too.
Those of you who pay support me make the difference.
If you can't do that, thank you for those of you who buy me a coffee.
I appreciate that.
Somebody bought me.
He brought me 60 quids worth of coffers the other day.
Thank you, sir.
And support my sponsors and yeah, support Henry.
Thank you again.
Henry's not it's not your real name, is it, Henry Martin?
No, certainly not.
No.
Why did you choose Henry Martin?
A friend of mine chose it because he's a scholar on the Civil War period and Cromwell, and he came up to me when I said I want a pen name.
And he said, Choose Henry Martin because Henry Martin was a very interesting jurist in the court of Charles I. So that's why I chose Henry Martin.
When I heard this name, I thought that is not a name one would it feels very old fashioned.
Yes.
Well, thank you, Henry Octavius, Sebastiano, whatever your real name is.
