Thos Judge is a retired computer programmer, management consultant - and proud nuclear weapons denier. He tells of his extraordinary discovery, which began on Christmas Eve in 1982 with a chance encounter in a pub with a British ex-Prime Minister, who invited him over a pint “Ask me a question. Any question you like…” His books include Oppenheimer’s Deadly Toys; Nuclear Weapons Fact or Fiction? and the forthcoming Punk Pensioner’s Guide To A 140 Year Lifespan. His website is Thosjudge.com↓Monetary Metals is providing a true alternative to saving and earning in dollars by making it possible to save AND EARN in gold and silver.Monetary Metals has been paying interest on gold and silver for over 8 years.Right now, accredited investors can earn 12% annual interest on silver, paid in silver in their latest silver bond offering. For example, if you have 1,000 ounces of silver in the deal, you receive 120 ounces of silver interest paid to your account in the first year.Go to the link in the description or head to https://monetary-metals.com/delingpole/ to learn more about how to participate and start earning a return on honest money again with Monetary Metals.↓ ↓
Welcome to The Dellingbot with me, James Dellingpole.
And I just wanted to tell you about something really exciting coming up quite shortly.
It's James Dellingpole's birthday bash.
His big birthday bash, I believe it's been called.
Can you guess why?
Well, unfortunately, I've got a big birthday coming up.
I don't normally like to celebrate these things, but this one is kind of unavoidable.
It's not actually on my birthday, it's on August the 1st.
My actual birthday was held on the anniversary of the day when the atomic bomb didn't go off over Hiroshima because nukes aren't real and it was a napalm strike.
But that's another story.
So my big birthday bash is on August the 1st.
And the highlights include, well, I suppose the highlight is me chatting on stage, doing a Dellingpod live with Bob Moran.
Now, apart possibly from my brother Dick, who's obviously easy to talk to because he's my brother, I think Bob is one of the people I most enjoy chatting to him because he's bright, obviously.
He's got hinterland.
He doesn't take prisoners and the conversation could go in any direction and it probably will.
I'm really looking forward to our chat.
So thank you, Bob, for appearing on the stage with me.
Also, we've got Dick.
Dick will be there, of course, and he'll be playing bass with unregistered chickens.
I've also got some of my friends from the world of natural health coming up.
And if you arrive early enough, you might be able to try some of their potions or even their treatments.
I'm not sure what they want to do, but there'll be stalls and things to look at.
And there'll be pizza.
There'll be pizza.
Really delicious.
The last time, last event I had, we've got the same caterers.
food is extra obviously but uh the pizzas were really good and they also did these really nice i These nice, I think it was pooled beef, something like that.
It was just food you'd want to eat.
I think the best thing about these events isn't even about me.
It's about all the other wonderful people that turn up.
You'll be amazed.
These are like the best friends you've never met because you'll suddenly feel, hang on a second, I'm not alone.
There are other crazies just like me.
They're really, really fun, these events.
I would do them much more often, but unfortunately I get so knackered because of my tedious illness thing.
I mean, I've barely recovered from the last one.
It's in the middle.
It's in central England, I will tell you.
It is surrounded by beautiful countryside.
There'll be BNBs and stuff you can stay in.
I would do that if I were you.
It's on a Friday night, August the 1st, I mentioned.
But you might want to make a weekend of it because there's lots of stuff to see around and about.
Or you could come early and have a walk.
I don't know.
Whatever.
Anyway, I hope I will see you there.
August the 1st, James' big birthday bash.
It's going to be fun.
Limited number, strictly limited number of tickets.
There's only going to be 20 VIP tickets for reasons which will become obvious if you buy one.
They're for people who want to have special quality time with James.
Otherwise, I just get a normal ticket.
You will have fun, but please be quick because there are limited tickets.
They're being very strict on numbers, the venue.
So get in there as soon as you can.
And won't it be great?
Like, August, I think, is a really boring month.
Everyone goes away.
You'll need something to cheer you up for the fact that you're not in Ibiza or Greece or wherever you would like to be.
This will make up for the fact.
And we'll all be able to commiserate with one another and have a really, really good time.
I'm so looking forward to seeing you there at James's big birthday bash.
Thank you.
Can't wait.
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Welcome to the Dellingpod, Thomas Judge.
You've had quite a weird and varied career, haven't you?
I mean, you've been a scuba diving instructor.
You're an expert in steampunk?
Yeah, well, steampunk is just a genre of fiction, really.
Well, maybe we can talk about steampunk in a bit, but the main reason I got you on is because you are a nuclear weapons denier.
Yeah, I think that's a good title.
Is that the correct?
Yeah, yeah.
That's good.
A good title is the Nuclear Weapons Holocaust Denier.
Okay.
Well, I think it, look, if you'd said to me five years ago that nuclear weapons didn't exist, I'd have thought you were barmy and I would have gone m Hiroshima, mu Nagasaki.
I was born on the anniversary of Hiroshima, which always used to make me very excited when I discovered this 6th of August.
This connection.
But now I think, yeah, it was just a firebombing, napalm, wasn't it?
Well, all of the Japanese cities, the major cities, 62 of them, were firebombed for three months during 1945.
Nagasaki and Hiroshima were two of those cities.
And the houses of those cities were made of wood and paper.
So very easy to burn.
Yeah.
You have trouble seeing me there now?
I yeah, I lost your sound there for a second, but that's it Yeah.
I mean, was there any difference?
You've written a book about this.
Tell us the name of the book.
Well, there's actually three books, really, but Oppenheimer's Deadly Toys is the most recent incarnation of this.
Initially, I set out to write a pristine punk book.
And as I was writing it, I thought, well, you know, you need to take some research notes.
And the research notes found its way into a short book, which is on my website for free now, called Nuclear Weapons Facts or Fiction.
And then I set up a Facebook group.
And the amount of abuse that I got from people was just unbelievable.
You're an F. Really?
And stuff like that.
You would know nothing.
What the hell are you doing?
And people are very dispassionate.
They're passionate.
It's like religion.
They believe so deeply in this thing.
And because I've seen videos, and obviously, I mean, I was born in 58.
So people younger than me, people older than me, all seen videos for all of their lives believing and living under the regime of the potential nuclear holocaust.
So I thought, okay, well, I will write another book, but much more scientific, not circumstantial.
And so I went into an awful lot of detail and did a lot of studying.
And actually, the information is publicly available.
The most important book I used was the US Department of Energy's handbook on nuclear fission, which is actually on my website as well.
And it came from a US website.
Why was that useful?
Why is that so valuable?
Because a lot of research I did in the first instance, I did just by trolling the internet.
But this was concise.
It's a training course for nuclear reactor engineers in the States written in the 50s.
So it's an authentic piece of work.
It's a public domain piece of work.
And it correlated with all the research I had done.
I wish I'd find it earlier.
So what key things did it tell you?
The fundamental thing is the nuclear fission cross-sections, which are the probabilities of nuclear fission and neutrons being absorbed, followed by nuclear fission and other reactions, neutron-related reactions with uranium and plutonium.
And it shows how thermal, i.e.
very slow neutrons, 10,000 times slower than they are when they're released.
It shows how much higher, about 500 or 600 times more likely for fishing to occur.
And also it goes into...
Well, it's a bit of a...
And then I've moved on to other projects in the last couple of years, so it's hard to recall.
The fundamental thing for me and for anybody, and I've had five or six translations done as well into different languages, everybody has come back to me, the proofreaders of these languages has come back to me and said, it's a one-liner.
Okay, what is the one-liner?
Nuclear fission is not explosive.
And that is the fundamental premise of the book, because if you know how an explosion works and you know how nuclear fission works, it's not possible to have a nuclear explosion.
It's not possible to have an explosion.
All explosions are gas related.
It's the creation and expansion of gas that creates the blast.
Now, a nuclear weapon is fearful of fear because the massive destructive blast.
So, your Hiroshima bomb was 15 kilotons, the Nagasaki bomb was 20 kilotons, allegedly.
The Tsar bomb was something like a million megatons.
So, these are thousands of tons equivalent of TNT.
So, how does TNT work?
Well, one gram of TNT, which is chemical, when ignited, creates a thousand times more gas.
That's where the destructive blast comes from.
The rapid creation and expansion of gases traveling at 20 times the speed of sound.
Dynamite is 50% more explosive than TNT.
Centex, RDX, all these more modern explosives, the ones developed during the Second World War, and others that have been developed since, are two, three, four, five times more powerful than TNT.
So, for example, as I said, dynamite is 50% more powerful than TNT, so it produces 1,500 times more from one gram of TNT or dynamite.
Now, nuclear fission is not a reaction like that.
It doesn't create any gas.
Nuclear fission, the product.
What is nuclear fission?
Nuclear fission is when a heavy atom splits, nucleus splits into two or more other products, other elements, and creates as its byproduct the heat from the two elements being created and radiation.
So the products of nuclear fission are heat and radiation.
There's no gas.
Where's the explosion?
You don't even need to know anything about nuclear physics to understand this.
Well, if it's so obvious, why because there are loads of scientists in the world who think that nuclear, who believe that you can make nuclear bombs and stuff.
Why have they not seen this?
Well, why have they not said it is the question.
Anybody working in the industry would have signed some secrets declaration, official secrets act.
Anybody working on this, if they deny it, will have their funding pulled.
I've spoken to some universities.
They don't want to talk to me about this.
I'll ask for a peer review or even comments and they just don't respond.
So people are frightened to put their heads above the table.
It's a very hot political potato because NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, has its memorandum of articles of incorporation.
It's a nuclear association, a nuclear alliance, and it will always exist so long as nuclear weapons are an international threat.
Well, if there are no nuclear weapons, why exist?
It's the same with CND Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.
I've spoken to them.
You know, it was Bertrand Russell that founded CND in the 60s.
He's a philosopher.
He was not a scientist.
He was a philosopher.
He was more than that, wasn't he?
I mean, he was one of them.
Bertrand Russell One of them.
Well, one of the kind of the people who run the world.
I mean, he was a Russell.
He was a capital E. He's a Russell, which is one of the 13 Titanic bloodlines.
and he was incredibly influential, a bit, a bit like, Possibly, possibly.
He was definitely instrumental in shaping sort of intergenerational thinking.
He was a thought leader, let's say.
And he was very much pushing the world in the direction that they wanted it pushed in.
Anyway, so an organisation like CNT can't suddenly turn around and deny the existence of nuclear weapons.
What we should have done in 1961 or three or whenever they started was to hire some scientists to prove or disprove this.
You know, it's called due diligence in a management consultant to speak.
Yeah, but I mean, they would never have done that, would they?
I mean, what would have been the point?
I imagine that for a time, CND brought in quite a lot of revenue.
Well, exactly.
I would say that it's bordering on fraud if they knew that nuclear weapons didn't exist and they took money from people then.
Well, so Oppenheimer's deadly toys, presumably in the early stages of the Los Alamos project, they somehow persuaded the world that a nuclear bomb was a possibility.
But you're saying it should have been obvious from the start that they couldn't because nuclear fission does not generate explosive gases.
Correct.
Ergo.
Ergo, it could never have happened.
So how did they go about fooling the world into thinking, well, you know, the atom bomb is inevitable and we need to get there first?
And who was behind the fraud and who promoted it?
How did they get away with it?
Well, the US military complex is enormous.
The Manhattan Project, the budget was $2 billion from 1943 to 1945.
So that's in 1945 money.
Today's money is about 50 billion or something.
But the B-29 program, just by comparison, the B-29 bomber, the Superfortress, that program of work was $3 billion.
Of course, you have some tangible assets from that in the shape of aluminium aircraft and pilots and so on and so forth.
But anyway, because the initial impetus was Nuclear fission was discovered in Germany in 1938, Nazi Germany in 1938.
Oh, the Nazis have got this piece of science.
We must be very worried they're going to blow up the world.
We will lose the war.
So the psychological warfare in that as well.
So of course it was Einstein who wrote the initial letter to Roosevelt to suggest that they look into this dastardly weapon so that they didn't get caught out.
The Japanese had their own nuclear program as well, because Japan and Nazi Germany, Axis forces together, so they were in communication, but the Japanese had their own nuclear program as well.
So anyway, fear of being defeated by the enemy.
It was World War II.
It was all out war.
I mean, war is all out war.
Well, yes, I'm not sure I believe anything we're told about the war.
I mean, I don't...
You mentioned Einstein, for example.
I don't think that he was acting in good faith when he said that the Germans were developing this...
that nuclear fission was a danger because if he knew his eggs, he would have known that it...
Well, Einstein.
How would Einstein?
Einstein couldn't put a screw on a plug, right?
He was a theorist.
By his own admission, he was not a practical man.
But he was a theorist.
And he didn't win the Nobel Prize or anything for his theory of relativity because it's not exactly proven.
But anyway, Einstein had colleagues on the run from Nazi Germany.
So he encouraged the American military to pursue this project in order to give his friends somewhere to run to, because America, even in 1939, had closed borders.
It was very difficult to get immigration into the United States at that time.
I'll put a long section in my book about this.
It's just an aside.
The key issue, as I say, is explosion and how nuclear fission works.
But there was a political agenda created probably by Einstein, probably by Einstein's circle of friends.
Who do you think was running Einstein?
I've no idea.
I think it was done from compassion.
Einstein, he was a compassionate man.
He wasn't a stupid man.
He was quite a religious man.
I know he was Jewish, but he didn't pursue the Jewish faith with any great zeal.
Spinoza was his god, Spinoza, who presumably had it, the Dutch philosopher from the 1600s.
So Einstein pushes the narrative You say that Yeah, well, right.
There's two types of nuclear fission, spontaneous nuclear fission and induced nuclear fission.
And spontaneous nuclear fission is radiation, a natural process of radioactive decay.
So the atom becomes unstable, and we're talking about specific types of heavy nucleus, uranium and plutonium particularly.
And when the nucleus becomes unstable, it will release radiation and heat.
And part of the radiation is some neutrons, more than on average, 2.5.
Induced nuclear fission is when a free neutron, so one of the ones perhaps from the spontaneous reaction, is absorbed by a nucleus and becomes unstable because of that.
And the same process follows.
The nucleus splits into two or more.
It's binary fission or tertiary fission, two or three elements.
And again, it releases heat, which is the kinetic energy of these new elements striking surrounding matter.
Plus, so 94% heat, 2.5% energy as neutrons, so the kinetic energy of the neutrons striking things, and 3.5% electromagnetic radiation, gamma rays, basically four times, if you like.
But no gas.
So anyway, these two types of nuclear fission coexist.
Anything that's radioactive is undergoing nuclear fission.
So where does the energy come from in a nuclear reactor?
What part of the process does...
Yeah, well, okay, in a nuclear reactor, the same processes are underway, either spontaneous and induced nuclear fission.
And the neutrons escape from the reactor core into the moderator.
The moderator is a liquid.
It's actually, it can be normal water, H2O.
They also tried heavy water, the heroes of Telemark, Norway, heavy water, Nazi Germany, Norwegian resistance, this story.
The moderator is a substance used to slow down neutrons.
The neutrons will escape from the core of the nuclear reactor into the moderator, bounce around in time.
Technical time is scattering, and it will heat up.
It heats the moderator up.
The water heats up and reflects the neutrons back into the core to continue the reaction.
Continue the chain reaction.
So, what we're talking about is one fission releases, they say it releases a lot of energy.
It's a lot of energy compared to a chemical reaction, but it's not very much energy.
You need a chain reaction of millions of fission reactions.
So, in your core of the reactor, the neutrons are escaping from the nucleus, going into the moderator, bouncing around, sometimes being absorbed, sometimes being reflected back.
The moderator increases, absorbs the energy and increases in temperature.
There's also a coolant jacket of water, normally, around the reactor core, which heats up.
And that then powers the steam turbine that generates electricity.
So, actually, we're living in the age of steam.
We talk about nuclear energy, but it's steam-powered energy.
You could have coal-fired boiler generating steam, produce electricity, could have a gas-fired boiler, you could have cow dung patties if you wanted.
It just so happens we've got nuclear fission powering this because it's more efficient.
Now, a nuclear bomb is also a nuclear reactor, but it's not cooled, it's not moderated.
It's a small, portable, unmoderated, uncooled nuclear reactor.
And because the moderator doesn't exist in the weapon, the neutrons just fly away.
And therefore, there's no chain reaction, and therefore no explosion.
But what is happening in the nuclear weapon all the time is a spontaneous fission, the natural radioactive decay process, and that's firing off neutrons all the time.
And none of these are being captured.
Your screen froze there.
So none of these neutrons are being captured so that they can continue the chain reaction, which is why the weapon doesn't create heat.
It doesn't react.
So on one side of the coin, we've got explosion, which doesn't happen because explosions have gas.
And on the other side of the coin, we have the nuclear fission reaction, which can't get started and get underway because neutrons are not being slowed down.
So there are actually two arguments.
One, there's no explosion.
And two, there's no reaction, no fission chain reaction.
Now you think about this bomb, this Hiroshima bomb on the Nagasaki bomb.
The B-29 is flying along 30,000 feet, drops the bomb.
It's going to explode at 1,800 feet.
It has a nanosecond to achieve that because it's falling at something like 600 miles an hour.
It takes 43 seconds to drop from 30,000 feet to 1,800 feet.
And then it's going to take about a second to go from 1,800 feet to the ground.
These bombs were airburst bombs, and they didn't drop on a parachute, so they just fully fall.
So this bomb has got one, one microsecond, a thousand nanoseconds.
So we're talking very small steps of time.
But it's got a very short period of time to actually react.
It doesn't work.
There's no moderator to slow the neutrons down so that the reaction gets underway.
Now, what we do know is that over-reacting lumps of plutonium or uranium, they don't explode anyway.
The Three Mile Island accident in the United States was an air-cooled uranium reactor, the China crisis, where the core melted and they thought it would go all the way through the center of the Earth to China.
That's the China crisis.
The plutonium melts.
If it overreacts, it melts.
It doesn't turn into a gas.
It doesn't explode.
And the same thing, if you look at Chernobyl and Fukushima, these were water-cooled reactors.
So again, the over-reacting core, because the reaction went out of control in Fukushima because of an earthquake or a tsunami, the metal heated up, started to melt.
The moderator and the coolant split from hydrogen and oxygen, from water to hydrogen and oxygen.
And at 3,000 degrees centigrade, a spark of something caused the gases to reignite and created an explosion.
But that's not a nuclear explosion, that's a chemical explosion.
Yes.
If we can believe a word of what we're told about Chernobyl, which is a bit of a stretch, given that it was controlled by Andropov.
Well, I guess they would do it.
I think it's probably true.
They were undertaking some maintenance program and things got out of control.
It seems plausible to me.
Right.
And Fukushima, yeah, there was a tsunami, an earthquake.
The electricity supply was cut off, so they couldn't pump the water and undertake the emergency procedures.
So the same things happened.
But both these places, you think Fukushima, you can fly to Fukushima today and you get more radiation from the scanner at the security gates than you do from the environment.
So there's something going on.
What does that tell us?
Well, it tells us that they're concealing something.
Yeah, what?
I don't know.
Oh, I see.
I mean, the whole nuclear industry and nuclear weapons, I suppose, is part of that.
But the whole thing seems to be very, very fishy.
There's lots of misinformation and disinformation.
There seem to be some very powerful interests which don't want nuclear technology to be used for energy production, which is why you've got all these incredible strictures on what you need to do in order to set up a nuclear plant.
There's so much regulation in the way of it.
So powerful people don't want nuclear to be an option.
So there's that.
And then you get these stories which may be put out by the anti-nuclear people.
Any movie with Jane Fonda in it is a red flag, isn't it?
The China Syndrome.
That was saying, yeah.
Three Mile Island.
Yeah, we can't have nuclear power stations anywhere near our cities because melting all the way to China.
Well, yeah.
But it was probably fake, wasn't it?
Well, I think Three Mile Island did happen.
I've not really gone into the authenticity of it, but they seem to be.
But so how do you know?
I mean, that's the thing, Thomas.
I'm not giving you a hard time here, but how do you know?
You haven't looked into it.
You've just taken it for granted that it happened.
Well, I wasn't.
Where's the evidence?
I wasn't there.
I wasn't there.
The only solid evidence you get of anything is to actually be there.
On that scene is Jane Fonda.
So have you been to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
No.
No.
there's lots about that that so just going back a second it was In 1978.
I'm amazed.
Yeah, well, in 1978, I shared the house with a couple of Aldermaston scientists who had been given criminal records for their drug abuses, and they got fired from Aldermaston because you can't have a criminal record to work there.
And they said nuclear weapons don't exist.
It's all a fraud.
They used to go to the Greenham Common meetings and tell all the women down there that it was a load of bullshit.
Did they?
And I didn't, I mean, I was probably 18 or something, 19 at the time.
And I thought, well, yeah, well, that's interesting, man.
But then I met a former Prime Minister of the UK, whose name I agreed never to reveal, but anybody could guess who he was on Christmas Eve, 1982, in the Little Westminster Arms, which I'm sure you know, behind Westminster Cathedral.
And it was Christmas Eve, it was half past 11, and I was a software consultant for a major manufacturer implementing systems at government departments.
And I had a team of about 50 people, and I said to them, right, we'll take you out for Christmas dinner, Christmas lunch rather, and I'll see you in the restaurant.
I'm going to go and have a couple of pints before I start.
Half past 11 in the morning.
Walk into the pub.
There's a little man sitting at the bar on his own, having a half pint.
And I walked in and I thought, oh my goodness, this is strange.
And he smiled at me.
I said, hello, mate.
How are you doing?
Merry Christmas.
And he went, in his Yorkshire accent.
And can I get you a drink?
He said, no, no, no.
I said, well, I'm going to have one.
Come on, have a drink.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
And okay, let's have a drink.
Would you like to come and sit with me?
And we'll have a chat.
I went, yeah, okay.
I said, I didn't see.
I was on my way to a Christmas party.
But anyway, we sat down and had a chat for about an hour.
And one of the first things he said to me was, because he was used to people, journalists, trying to find him and talk to him.
And everybody knew he was in this pub all the time.
He was in there every day.
So he said, go on, ask me any question you like.
And I said, I've only come in for a quiet pint, man.
I'm just...
But you have to ask me a question.
And I thought, I know who you are.
I said, okay, what do I call you?
He said, you can call me Jim.
Okay, Jim.
And I thought, why am I calling him Jim?
Anyway, turns out his first name was Jim.
So I said, right, okay.
And I thought, if my mum was here, she would have said, can you actually sleep at night?
And I thought, right, okay, I've got a question for you.
Can you sleep at night?
What?
I said, well, can you actually sleep at night?
What sort of question is that?
I said, it's a question.
You said, ask me any question you like.
So the question I like to ask you is, can you actually sleep at night?
And he went, honestly, Tom, no, I can't sleep at night.
I said, why is that?
I was expecting a joke, like, I've got a weak bladder or something.
He said, I sent men to a certain death.
Really?
And my immediate thought was Northern Ireland, right?
I said, immediate death?
What are you talking about?
He said, Aiden.
I sent men to a certain death in Aiden.
Now, it just so happens my father-in-law was a navigator in the IAF.
And I said, well, actually, my father-in-law told me all about Aiden because he was on the Boeing missions.
They flew from Malta.
What?
He told you that?
He shouldn't have told you that.
That's the official secret site.
I said, Cameron, man, can't.
So anyway, I said, so, you sent men to a certain death.
Why didn't you just push the big red button?
What do you mean, big red button?
The one that fires the missiles.
You could knock them out with a single blow.
How do I put this?
How do I put this?
I remember this so clear.
How can I put this?
Right.
I would say that because Britain doesn't have an effective nuclear deterrent.
But I would caveat that by saying it's not a problem because no one else has one either.
I thought, are you telling me nuclear weapons don't exist?
He said, well, I'm not really qualified to say.
He said, I don't know how it works or anything, but I can tell you that Britain doesn't have a nuclear deterrent, an effective one anyway.
And that's my personal opinion, because we have to consider the Official Secrets Act.
I said, well, I'm working at a government department over here, so I've signed the Official Secrets Act as well.
And it's only to make you aware of it because we're all covered by it.
That's the way it works.
So that was one of the first conversations I had with this guy.
I went on to meet him quite a few times after that, actually.
Did you?
He knew my father, and he knew my uncle.
My uncle was the town that I come from, Komala, Scotland.
My uncle was the provost, the mayor, if you like.
They've called a provost in Scotland.
So he was quite high up in the Scottish Labour Party.
And he said, oh, my dad's name is William.
He said, are you the son of Bartholomew?
And that was my uncle.
I said, no, my dad's William.
Oh, I know your dad.
My dad was very involved in the Labour Union movement and the Labour Party.
I said, no, Bartholomew's my uncle.
Oh, I know him very well.
I know him very well.
And I checked up on this, and they both knew this former Prime Minister quite well, inasmuch as they met several times.
Because he was the leader of the Labour Party.
When you say he was called Jim, we don't know him as Jim, do we?
I mean, there was Jim Callahan.
No, it wasn't Jim Callahan, no.
No, that's what I thought.
I mean, it doesn't sound like Jim Callahan, because Jim Callahan, apart from the else, doesn't have a Yorkshire accent.
So you talked to this, you talked this bloke over, did you get any other tidbits from him?
Yeah, there was lots.
I met him several times.
I went for a curry with him one lunch.
Because I went in the pub one day and I said, have you got any sandwiches here?
Because I'm starving.
And the guy behind the bar, the barman who was I think was an ex-SES guy, because he showed me something under the table that would dissuade anybody from coming in and causing the trouble.
And he said, no, we don't have any sandwiches here, but there's a delicatessen across the street.
I said, I know, I work in the building next door.
And I said to Jim, I said, I'm starving.
Do you want to come for something to eat?
And he goes, where would we go?
And I said, well, there's a nice Indian restaurant around the corner here.
Really?
I don't, I've never had Indian food.
What would you eat?
And I said, I'd have Mulligatani soup followed by a chicken madrasa or something.
Mulligatani soup?
What's that?
I said, it's basically curry sauce in a plate with a slice of lemon and some rice.
That sounds bloody marvellous.
Let's go.
So, of course, in the corner all the time was two MI5 guys acting at the protection squad.
So they had followers there in the street and stand outside Australia curry.
Did they hear your conversation?
I would doubt it.
I don't think it was 1982.
Well, there probably was tapping actually then, but whether my friend Jim was tapped, I don't know.
We talked about a few things.
I mean, I would concentrate on the nuclear weapons thing, because that's really the purpose that I would expose him.
We talked about the royal family, the establishment, the fact that there was a possible military coup against the Labour government at the time he was Prime Minister, stuff like that.
Yes.
And he was very edgy.
And we got talking about comp.
I mean, one of the things I asked him, did you meet Kennedy?
Presumably the civil service minister of defense know about this.
He went, yeah, yeah.
I said, what about the Americans?
The president's there.
Do they know?
He said, I don't know.
I said, but the military must know because they're the guys that worked on development of this thing.
I said, what about the Russians?
He said, I think the Russians know.
He said, but by the way, I'm no communist.
People have said I'm a communist.
I said, Jim, hold it.
Hold it.
I'm not a trust.
Do I look like a communist to you?
I said, well, I don't know what a communist looks like.
So I really don't know.
Did he point his pipe at you?
He never sat smoking a pipe.
He always had a cigar.
Did he?
That was his public image.
Oh.
Cigars.
He surprised me.
This is why I was, when I first met him, I thought, surely this is not the man I think it is.
Because he's smoking a cigar and he wasn't wearing a Gannex raincoat.
Oops, did I say Gannex raincoat?
but anyway his friend Lord Kagan And his face dropped.
I said, Jim, I've got to go.
I've got to go for dinner with these guys.
I'll catch you tomorrow or something.
So I went out.
And this guy, Alex, he said to me, he said, you know who you were drinking with?
I said, yeah, I do.
How do you know him?
I said, well, it turns out he's a friend of my dad's, actually.
So obviously, the next day, because I was working, we were contracted to do some work at the Department of Trade and Industry.
And my friend Jim had formerly been quite high up in that position in the DTI, or it was Department of Trade at the time.
Because one of the things he asked me is, you're nicely pressed, where do you work?
I explained about the systems we were building and who they were for.
And he said, I used to work in there.
I said, I think you had a very senior position there at one time.
I'm going to do some, "Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo." So...
I think it highly unlikely that Kennedy wouldn't have known, which puts an interesting complexion on the claim that some people say that one of the reasons he was assassinated was because he didn't want the Israelis to get the nuclear bomb.
But if he knew that nukes don't work, he wouldn't have been sweating too much at the prospect of the Israelis getting the nuclear bomb technology.
Or, indeed, I mean, actually, what does it tell us about Iran as well?
This threat we've had hanging over us for 30 years now: that if we don't bomb this Iranian factory soon, then they will be building nuclear weapons.
It's all a sham, isn't it?
Well, obviously, from my perspective, Iran hasn't got any nuclear weapons because nobody else has either.
But the interesting thing, the bombings on Saturday, a couple of weeks ago, Mr. Trump's little escapade, was to destroy enriched uranium plants.
Now, enriched uranium, the American bombs, let's go back to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, because really the focus of my work is to say that there was never any bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And any subsequent weapons development have failures and flaws in them because they're hydrogen bombs, which is a two-stage weapon, the first stage with an atomic bomb to initiate it so that you get the temperature high enough for the second stage, which is the hydrogen bomb.
The Hiroshima bomb was an A-bomb, as was the Nagasaki bomb, but the Hiroshima bomb was a uranium bomb.
And the Nagasaki bomb was a plutonium bomb.
Now, the film Oppenheimer was about the testing of the plutonium bomb for Nagasaki.
The uranium bomb for Hiroshima had never been tested.
Can you believe that?
They would fly all the way to Hiroshima to end the Second World War with a weapon that had not been tested.
The reason it hadn't been tested, they didn't have the uranium to do it.
They didn't have the material to do this.
And they didn't have the material to do the plutonium bomb either.
That's in my book.
I've done a lot of calculations based on American government information.
But to go back to the, so this Hiroshima bomb had never been tested, right?
So would you actually do this?
Would you drop your best stuff over the Japanese because they've got their own program of work?
But anyway, you asked me about Kennedy.
You thought Kennedy was assassinated because of something to do with a uranium bomb.
Well, one of the theories on why he was killed was because he was bumped off with the help of the Israelis who objected to the fact that he was trying to stop them getting the nuclear bomb.
I heard.
There's a very good book I read recently, actually.
It's called Sinatra and the Sinatra Murders.
Well, they say that Kennedy was bumped off by the Mafia because Joe Kennedy, Kennedy's father, was aligned to the Mafia.
He was a bootlegger from the 1920s, and the Mafia were the ones that put the money up for Kennedy's election campaign.
And he refused to follow orders by the mafia to do these things to benefit.
Yes.
That's another of the...
So ranging from the CIA, whose station chief at the time was George H.W. Bush, to the mob, to the Israelis, to political interests like LBJ.
So it was a sort of lots of different interested parties got involved in it.
But anyway, I was just interested in the nuclear thing.
We're going back to the Iranians.
The bombing of their three locations, these were allegedly nuclear enrichment facilities.
Now, if a nuclear weapon, a uranium weapon, was never ever tested and could never ever work, why would you be enriching uranium?
The uranium enrichment process, uranium exists in the earth as an ore, and only about 2% of the ore contains uranium.
The uranium itself consists of three isotopes, so three different subtypes of uranium.
Uranium-238, which makes up about 99%, and then uranium-235 and uranium-either 233 or 234, I can't remember, but anyway, it's uranium-235 that you're interested in to make a bomb.
And it's only 0.7% of the material.
So what you're trying to do with the enrichment process is to increase the percentage of uranium-235 to about 80%.
So you're trying to increase that by 100-fold, which means you need 100 times more raw uranium to work with.
And why?
It doesn't work.
The bomb doesn't work.
The design of this Hiroshima bomb is just smashed two pieces together in a gun barrel, fire the shell at a target than a gun barrel, and that's supposed to create a nuclear reaction.
No, it doesn't work.
So why the Iranians would be making enriched uranium, Iranians uranium, get my mouth right, Iranians creating enriched uranium, why would they be doing this?
All the bomb technology, let's put quotes around that because we say it doesn't work, is plutonium bombs.
That's what they use.
Now, those working bomb was plutonium.
That's the precursor of all the modern weapons.
And do plutonium bombs work?
No, this is the same science, the same science of nuclear fission.
Now, the interesting thing about plutonium is it's a byproduct of a nuclear reactor.
So you have to build a nuclear reactor to process uranium in order to get the plutonium.
And from my studies, I don't see why plutonium was more desirable because it's much more expensive.
It's less available.
And to be honest, you know, I'm looking at this.
I probably don't have enough knowledge of the reactive function At the quantum mechanics level, to say whether I'm 100% certain or not.
But uranium creates plutonium, and plutonium will exist in the reactor core and has to be physically removed.
It deteriorates, and actually, there's an isotope of it, 239, plutonium-239, which then absorbs another neutron, becomes plutonium-240, which is really, really high radioactive and spontaneously fissionable.
And it's a dangerous thing to handle.
So anybody that's handling a weapon warhead with this substance in it is probably going to die from radiation.
So you would never make a weapon from that because the ground crews, the assembling the bomb crew, the ground crew at the airport and the crew of the bomber are all going to die of radiation poisoning.
But in any event, it's so high in spontaneous fission, so consequently the neutrons are being released, that none of these neutrons that are released go on to cause the nuclear fission chain reaction and cause the weapon to react.
So the evidence is the non-explosiveness on the ground or in the plane before the weapon is dropped.
I say non-explosiveness, the fact that the weapon didn't go off and therefore the metal would have melted or we would have a spontaneous fission chain reaction, not spontaneous, an exponential chain reaction.
I do quite like the other stuff too though.
I mean it sounds like you've made your case as you say in one sentence but I like all the surrounding detail.
So explain to me how you know that they didn't have enough plutonium or uranium at Los Alamos to make the bombs.
Well most of the uranium came from the Congo, the Belgian Congo.
Nazi Germany had some uranium which they picked up in Belgium in 1940.
That uranium came from the Belgian Congo.
The Schunt, I can't pronounce the word Schuntabuke mine in the Belgian Congo.
And it was claimed that the uranium there, as I said, uranium generally, uranium ore contains about 2% uranium.
This mine, the uranium concentration was much higher.
The BBC said it was as high as 65%.
I've never been able to confirm that.
But I went to the Belgian government.
I went to the Union Minier in Belgium and asked them.
And they said all their records were with the Belgian government.
I had to ask them.
So I asked them and they sent me to somebody else who gave me a whole load of records.
And I find that, interestingly, I've got a Belgian friend, she lives here in Tenerife, which is in Brussels now.
Her grandfather was the manager of the mine in 1940.
He's dead now, so I can't speak to him about it.
But it's just the coincidences are quite interesting.
But in terms of the website, the government website in the States, OSTI, OSTI.com.
I think it's Office of Science and Technology Information.
They have lots of information about the processing, etc., which is, I took a lot of it and put it in my book.
We built three nuclear reactors.
The first reactors in the world, well, apart from the experimental one that they started with, the Fermi built, each of these reactors needed 181 tons of uranium.
So they needed somewhere in the region of 2,500 tons of ore.
And they only had 76 tons.
So really, I don't think they had enough.
But if you look at the military records and information about the envoys to the Congo, the Belgian Congo Free State, the Americans went there in 1943 to reactivate the mine and take all the and get as much as they could for the program.
The interesting thing about this concentration of high levels of concentration, 65%, there was a Belgian guy, Edward Sangier, who was the managing director of the mining company.
In 1940, he fled to the United States and he sent a load of uranium ahead of him to Staten Island.
It was stored on Staten Island.
He was probably the guy that started the ball rolling with Roosevelt, informing him about the availability and the weaponry, and coincidentally with Einstein, who was obviously living in the States at that time as well.
But the point is that Sangier was a former investment banker, and he knew the value of what he had.
So he talked the market up by saying that these were very rich concentrations of ore.
Now, uranium was used for medical purposes in the 20s and also for the luminescence on your watch.
So it had value.
But he topped the market up by saying that the concentrations of ore are much, much higher.
And when he tested the concentrations of ore in the 30s, he said, ah, well, we've got rid of all that good ore.
Now we're down to the dregs, if you like.
And then they flooded the mine, which is a bit like saying, okay, well, this is my savings account now.
I'm going to flood the mine.
You can't get my uranium.
The market's short on uranium.
My price goes up.
So it's all about money.
Follow the money and you'll get the answers.
Well, yeah, money and also overarching geopolitical New World Order goals.
For example, we know that the Rockefellers found it very, very useful to use the threat of nuclear war, nuclear weapons, nuclear winter as the kind of omni-threat that crossed borders and therefore justified supranational governance by things like the UN, which they partly founded and funded.
So the idea that this cannot be left to individual nation states.
We've got to have international regulations.
So you can see why people like that would want to keep the fiction of nuclear weapons alive.
And then you've got fake events like the Cold War, the so-called balance of terror, mutually assure destruction, all these phrases, which are, if you're correct and nuclear weapons don't exist, are absolutely just horseshit, just made-up nonsense.
It's to keep the world in fear.
Fear controls people.
Carrot and money on one side, fear on the other.
There you go.
So, Will, you being Scottish, you must be familiar with people and the sort of Faslane submarines and all the nuclear subs, which go on these year-long patrols and they're sworn to secrecy.
Well, you can see why they might be sworn to secrecy.
Have you ever met any of those guys?
My brother worked.
He's dead now.
Well, he presumably he can't tell you.
Well, he can't tell me now because he died 15 years ago.
But he did tell me a lot.
Oh.
But he told me a lot just before he died.
Several times, long before he died and when he died.
He said he used to go on to the Greenham Common protesters who came to Fars Lane and tell them, just go home.
We haven't got anything here.
You know, there's nothing to see.
Honestly, we don't have anything.
I don't know what you're all worried about.
What was his job?
He was Ministry of Defence, Police.
And he appeared on the TV programme as well about people with interesting jobs.
He used to do submarine patrols on a dinghy, you know, on a rib, go out and escort the submarines back to the base.
You'd have thought, wouldn't you, that given that everything's on a need-to-know basis, that somebody who was military police guarding submarines should not have been aware that nukes aren't real and that there were no nukes aboard those subs.
So how did he know?
I mean, it must have been really quite an open secret.
Well, he knew because I told him about my meetings with the former prime minister.
And he said, that's a coincidence.
Because there's nothing there.
There are no warheads there.
Why would there be?
There's no nuclear weapons.
But how did how did you say tell me how he knew that?
He was on patrol.
He wasn't always out on the boats.
He was on patrol protecting the base and protecting the stockpile.
And he went in to have a look and said there was nothing there.
Not even pretend weapons.
Pretend missiles.
Warheads.
The Polaris program.
I think there's six British submarines, each of which carries 16 missiles.
And the warheads are either British or American.
But they're all leased from America.
And the US submarines carry 20.
I think there's 14 US subs and they carry 20.
So once they fired off the 20, they have to go back to Faslane to get the replenished stocks, the replacement missiles.
The missiles are there, but the warheads aren't.
Because there are no warheads.
There can't be.
Nuclear efficiency doesn't.
Weapons don't work.
Just think.
I mean, apart from anything else, think about all the emotional and intellectual energy we've wasted over the years.
I mean, I'm sure I've written articles and appeared in debates about whether or not we should keep our nuclear deterrent.
You know, so there's a piece by sort of right-wing Little Englander type person on why we must have our nuclear.
It keeps the world safe.
And then you've got some CND lefty person saying, no, it's a waste of money.
We could spend them on money on nurses.
And then you get BBC documentaries, don't you?
Amazingly, the BBC has been granted hitherto impossible to get access to a nuclear submarine.
and you meet the commander of the submarine.
He's a really cool, laconic, And then the nuclear submarine is the creme de la creme.
And they go on these long tours of duty, like a year, but they don't see their families.
Well, they do this.
It's all bullshit.
Well, that's not bullshit.
They do these tours.
No, no, no.
What I mean, of course, they go on years'tours for the PSYOP.
But what I mean is that the actual need for these nuclear submarines, all the money that goes into them, it's just a kind of...
Well, it's right.
They're nuclear submarines because they're nuclear-powered submarines, not because they've got nuclear missiles.
They're nuclear-powered submarines, but they carry nuclear warheads.
I guess the evolution of technology.
In 1943 to 1945, they evolved the science of nuclear fission, weaponry and power plants, and so they wanted to use the technology.
I think it's quite anomalous.
The same with the internal combustion engine.
In fact, we know that the internal combustion engine came after the electric engine for cars.
There were more electric cars in 1902 than there were internal combustion engine powered cars.
And diesel engines were even before petrol engines.
So powered by peanut oil, in fact.
So it's a useful technology.
But the missiles, the warheads, is an exercise in fear and control.
And it's all to do with the Cold War.
So since you've written your stuff, you've had a lot of hate.
Have you had people coming up to you and saying, mate, you're on the money.
I used to work in the industry and I can every word you say.
Did you ever have had any of that?
Well, very recently, as recent as last weekend, someone made contact with me from the States and she was got a long CV.
She's read the book.
She thinks it's fantastic.
She's writing her own book based on my research and other books that I reference in my book.
And she's been in the industry and has military background.
And she said, you really opened my eyes to this.
And she's told a lot of other people.
A lot of German people are interested in this.
The Heisenberg connection, I call it.
Heisenberg was the German physicist who was working on the Nazi program.
Okay.
So there are a few people.
It's the tip of the iceberg.
There's more people say I'm an idiot than say you're a genius.
But, you know, I don't seek accidental validation.
So the science can speak.
It's very, very interesting that people have such a visceral response to what ought to be a, okay, well, this is interesting.
This guy has advanced the theory.
Let's test it against the evidence and see whether he's right or not.
But instead, what you've got is people getting really, really angry, like you've just run over their kitten or something.
I think it suggests something very deep in our subconscious brainwashing weapons.
It's called brainwashing.
We've lived for 80 years.
Nagasaki anniversary is on the 6th of August, as you know, 1945.
So that's 80 years ago.
We have lived 80 years under the threat of a nuclear holocaust, destruction of the world, because of some videos that somebody forged.
Now you look at the videos.
It's an explosion, a mushroom cloud.
It's not possible.
If nuclear fission isn't explosive, where does the explosion come from?
What you're seeing is an explosion.
And so it can't be nuclear fission, but people see this.
It's like watching The Roadrunner or Tom and Jerry.
Or even my parallel is, we know that Jesus Christ did exist because I saw the movie with John Wayne putting a spear in his side.
He surely was the son of God.
So yes.
Everyone knows, without knowing why they know, that nuclear weapons have a very distinctive signature, which is the mushroom cloud.
But what is a mushroom?
Do other forms of explosion?
Well, most explosives you'll see with a mushroom cloud.
If you see photographs of EPS on when they put 10,000 tons of explosives under the German headquarters, the explosive cloud looks like a mushroom cloud.
It could have been an atomic bomb.
And what you see on the top of that mushroom cloud is white, right?
That's water vapor.
TNT and all explosives, the gases that are produced, is carbon dioxide, CO2, nitrogen, which is a gas, so it's not an N2, and H2O, water vapor.
So that white, you see them all, they have white at the top.
That's water vapor from the TNT.
Then you see it's all yellow.
That's hydrogen gas burning, which could be hydrogen gas or it could be gasoline, but it's a hydrogen fire.
And then the smoke.
Well, that's hydrocarbons burning.
There's no smoke without fire.
Smoke is carbon.
There's no carbon in a nuclear fission reaction, except perhaps the heat generated could cause things around it to burn.
And in fact, this woman, she asked me to write a summary for her book, and I said, no smoke without fire, no explosion without gas, no nuclear fission without a moderator and slowed down neutrons.
There you go.
Take that one away.
That's my quote.
Do you...
How...
I think it must be pretty widespread.
I mean, anybody with half a brain who studied nuclear physics and has a chemistry background.
Remember, at the beginning, in the 1920s and 30s, there were no nuclear scientists or nuclear physicists.
They were chemists.
So they come from a chemistry background.
Now, you think about this.
You've got the American military on one side and the British military.
Let's forget about the enemy, the Germans, the Russians or whatever.
It's the military.
What do the military do?
They make explosives.
They make weapons with explosives.
So they know this gas creation and expansion causes a destructive blast.
Where is the destructive blast in the weapon?
Now, I'll tell you what, there's a chapter in my book about this and it's on chapter 7.
How did the Manhattan team know that the blast was 15 kilotons or 20 kilotons?
Well, somebody stood on a chair about 10 miles from the blast zone, dropped a piece of paper, you can see my hand, dropped a piece of paper and said, ooh, 15 kilotons.
Okay, we'll take that.
Scientific?
No.
Right.
Do you think you say the footage was faked?
Well, actually, I'm not even sure we have footage of the Nagasaki bomb, you know that going off.
The photographs we took from Hiroshima were of the firestorm they said after the bomb went off, not the explosion of the bomb.
But that firestorm would have been a firestorm from any operation over Hiroshima or any Japanese city.
I couldn't even tell you what Hiroshima looked like from there.
All the other photographs and videos you see are confusing Because they tell you this is a nuclear bomb explosion, but actually it's a hydrogen bomb.
The big one is the first hydrogen test in 1952.
Those are the most famous videos and photographs.
There's a whole lot of stuff in my perspective about this.
Presumably there's a company that makes the nuclear warheads.
Mm-hmm.
What is it?
It's called something else now.
A trident.
I think I said Polaris earlier.
Trident.
Trident's watch.
Trident.
So presumably there is a manufacturer.
There is some sort of defense contractor which has been given the job of supplying our nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles.
And I imagine they bill the MOD or the taxpayer a lot of money for these fake warheads.
Well, they're leased from the Americans.
Even the British design is assembled in the States and is leased from the Americans.
The figures are in my book.
I don't carry that in my hand.
So we're paying the Americans for this fakery.
It's just what pisses me right off.
The Americans are making a lot of money, the UK.
It's protection money.
That's what it is.
Protection money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it is one of the...
And Paul is dead.
You're really out on a limb here.
Have you found that?
Well, there's a few of us, there are a few of us around who know, I think we know, but we know, we do know, we don't think we know, we do know, and are prepared to stick our heads up above the parapet.
Other people know and are not sticking their heads up for whatever reason.
Maybe they're just not those sort of people.
Maybe they don't have the motivation or the resources or the time.
I'm only capable of doing this now because I gave up working 15 years ago.
I was going to ask you, you do seem like a kind of, yeah, whatever guy.
You don't care what people think of you.
Yeah, well, what's the point?
We'll all be dead soon enough.
Well, hopefully not that soon.
But yeah, no, I'm with you.
And so you were obviously quite high powered to be working given government contracts to be in charge of I was a session musician playing saxophone.
Then I became a computer programmer and then proceeded rapidly through the ranks as a young whiz kid and became like expert for ICL, computer manufacturer.
Got working on government contracts, went to work in the city.
You worked in the city as well?
Yeah, I worked in the city from 1986 on and off.
The Big Bang, I went through that.
Big Bang.
What are you doing to techie stuff?
Yeah, we wrote software for a lot of stockbroking companies.
And then I went back to work for the government again for a book.
And what else did I do?
Then I went and studied law and came out of a law degree and got snatched up by a management consultancy operation because I had an expert technical background and also a legal background.
So I went back into investment banking.
I was the head of an investment bank.
Or let's say I held a very senior position in an investment bank because I was a management consultant, but we set up an investment bank from scratch.
And I left that in 2012.
Thomas, you must be loaded.
Well, interestingly, I'm not because I managed to piss all my money away.
On what?
Wine, women, song, music, ukulele.
Ukulele is good.
You naughty boy.
So then I came to live in Tenerife in 2014 and I started playing music again and I started writing books and getting it all out my system and then we had the lockdown and then I had heart failure and I was ill for quite some time and I reorganized my thoughts and when I got better I started I started writing more books.
Right.
And I've got another book coming out soon.
Look at this.
Punk Pensioner.
The Punk Pensioner's Guide to a 140-year lifespan.
Okay.
That sounds like it might.
It'll work.
What you need is the world's number one punk rocker to write the foreword for your book.
Who's my friend?
John Lydon.
John Urottan.
Is he?
Yeah, and he's...
And he's doing a spoken word tour from September, October, November, and he's going to talk about it.
Well, that will give you sort of cache in the normie world.
I mean, the kind of people who wouldn't necessarily want to buy a book about how nukes aren't real, could relate to Punk Pensioner, I'd have thought.
Actually, where are you on the spectrum from normie on the left, say, which believes everything, to the other extreme, which would be flat Earth, 9-11 was an inside job.
Do you go with all the other conspiracy theories?
Well, I try to think of myself as a scientist.
I'm a citizen scientist, right?
Which means I don't believe anything unless I can see the facts, which is also because I've done it in law.
So, in terms of.
Well, that's good.
You know, I actually trust you, Thomas.
I think a lot of people watching this will be going, well, they're started off.
I'm like, why should we believe this guy in his t-shirt?
But it seems to me that you've presented a pretty good case.
I'm going to get your book now, which I haven't read yet, Shambly.
And tell me where, tell us where we can find you and read your stuff.
Well, all the books are at Amazon.
Some are only in e-book format.
Some are both paper and e-book.
Amazon.
My name's Thos Judge.
You can search there.
I've also got a wife.
Thos Judge.
Do you pronounce it Thos?
My mum calls me, well, she used to call me Thomas, but she died last year.
Thomas, but Thos is short for Thoss.
Thos Judge.
Yeah, no, I like the way that in the 18th century people used to sign Thomas Thos.
That's my steampunk.
That's your steampunk name.
And have you got a website of your own?
Yeah, Thosjudge.com.
Thosjudge.com.
Of course, the free downloads on the Oppenheimer's page.
So there's an index, and Oppenheimer Fabi Toys is one of the pages.
There's a sample of chapter six, half of it, not the full thing.
A couple of documents I wrote as press releases for Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
There's the US Department of Energy's training course in full.
And there's a synopsis, an 11-page PDF, not PDF, PowerPoint thing that I converted to PDF.
Plus, the other book, the Nuclear Weapons Fact of Fiction, is there in its entirety for you to download for free.
It's the previous explanation.
That'll be useful.
People want ammunition.
So anyway, I just thought, look, I'm not interested in making money from this.
We make money, you make money.
It's wonderful.
What do I spend it on?
I don't know.
Well, but, but...
But there's a lot of stuff there that is for free because I want people to understand.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I came under such pressure from my family to watch that bloody Oppenheimer movie.
You know, things like, and dad, Killian Murphy is meant to be really brilliant.
And I was like, yeah, I don't want to see a pretendy person pretending to be somebody who did something that didn't actually exist.
I'm not going to sit through three hours of an actor bullshitting us.
You saw it, presumably.
I'm trying to think if I have seen it.
I think I started watching it and I thought, this is not for me.
I'll look at a documentary of Oppenheimer himself.
And there are two on YouTube, which are interesting.
The fact that he was persecuted by the US government, potentially for being a communist, his brother was the head of the American Communist Party or something anyway.
I think he was persecuted because he threatened to expose this as a complete and utter sham.
Well, you'd feel a bit like Neil Armstrong did when he had to give that press conference after he'd allegedly got back from the moon.
And you look at the expressions on the faces of those poor astronauts that.
We don't want to be here.
That's what this got written off.
We thought we were going to go to the moon.
And all we've got to do is just pretend for the rest of our lives.
And, yeah, it must be hard to...
How do these people sleep at night?
One of my books is called Asteroids.
A-S-S-T-E-R-O-I-D-S.
Has a man ever set foot on the moon?
It sounds like a space porn book.
Well, the concept of asteroids is when you go into space and you need to have a poo-poo and you do it on day one, you're going to sit on that for 14 days and it's going to hurt like fuck when you get home.
That's the funny side.
The more serious side is you've got 3.7 litres of urine coming out of your body every day and if you're wearing a spacesuit, where does that go?
Into bags.
What about all the sweat?
You're drowning your own sweat in your helmet.
These guys allegedly had Apollo is something different, but the Gemini is the issue for me.
Where they wore spacesuits and then they took them off in the confines of something as small as a mini metro.
It takes five men to put a man in a spacesuit.
How can one man help his opposition who's sitting next to him in a cramped space capsule get it off and put it on?
And where did they put the helmets?
There's no room under the seats.
There are rockets under the seats as an ejective mechanism.
It's the human bodily functions that are the giveaway that man never went in space.
Because Apollo, one, the astronauts died on the launch pad.
And I think NASA decided then, we can't televise this sort of stuff and show Americans dying in space.
And Kennedy was dead by then.
He died in 1962 or whatever it was.
So there's a whole load of psychological issues there.
And there's a whole load of technical and human biological issues there, which I put in my book, Asteroids.
I used to be a scuba diving instructor.
There's a lot of parallels with scuba diving and astronauts because it's gas absorption in the human body, bodily functions.
It's like, you know, the guys, the Spitfire pilots, 1939, they raced from the ground to 30,000 feet.
They were getting the bends.
Because they didn't understand the physiology of bubble formation.
Nitrogen bubbles forming in your blood and causing you to have the bends.
And the same thing is happening in a spaceship.
If you pressurize the spaceship and then rapidly depressurize it, you get the bends.
So what they did was they used oxygen only as the atmosphere instead of an air mix which includes 80 to 70% nitrogen.
So because of the fire in Apollo 1, they replaced the pure oxygen environment with air.
Well now you're starting to expose yourself to all these problems.
And I'm sure they said no more deaths in space on TV.
I mean the first thing these guys said before they died was we can't even communicate from the launch pad to the towers.
How the hell are we going to do this on the moon?
But yet only three years ago.
Well they did it because no President Nixon, to be fair, had a special telephone that an online TV.
Yeah.
You pesky sceptic.
I didn't know about the Spitfire pilots getting the bens.
Was that a major problem?
Was that...
But they had some doctors that flew.
I read a couple of books.
There's one book by a famous conservative politician.
His father was a pilot during the war.
I can't remember his name now.
But he writes that in the squadron there was a doctor and he flew Spitfires as well.
And he was doing this to test the effects of gas absorption in the blood, G-forces.
But he got shot down in the Battle of Britain.
And they noticed that he'd never fired his guns.
And the ground crew said, no, he never fires his guns.
He went up, took part in dogfights, and because of his Hippocratic oath, he wouldn't fire his guns on anyone.
And he got shot down, obviously, and died.
But that was his research.
He used his own body as a research mechanism.
Did they have hyperbaric chambers at the air bases?
Back in 1940, I think hyperbaric chambers came around in the early 60s or probably mid-50s.
Probably Jack Gustav was the guy.
Gustav.
Okay.
Well, I have enjoyed this conversation very much.
Pleasure to meet.
Thank you.
Likewise, what's the weather like in Tenerife at the moment?
Well, last week it was 43 degrees centigrade.
Last night it was too hard.
That's too hot.
It's too hot.
Your blood boils at 37 degrees.
You don't want to go out in sunshine.
There are some rubbishy parts of the island, but there are some nice parts as well, aren't there?
I live in the rubbishy part.
Do you?
Right under the flight path to the bloody airport.
Not Los Cristianos.
No, no, no.
Near Los Cristianos.
In the south, Costa Silencio.
Costa Silencio.
But I live in the middle of a banana plantation, so it's quite beautiful.
Oh, that's nice.
Yeah.
Right.
Go back to your bananas.
I'm going to go now and have my coffee.
It's been great talking to you.
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Okay, cheers.
Thanks again, Thomas.
Bye.
Global warming is a massive con.
There was no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book, Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011 actually, the first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when the people behind the climate change scam got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed, in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us.
We've got to act now.
I rumbled their scam.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scam, who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands out.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk forward slash shop.
You'll probably find that just go to my website and look for it, jamesdellingpole.co.uk.
And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring around all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster.
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