Johnny McNeill is a former British Army Sgt Major who served tours in Iraq and Bosnia - but then woke up to the true nature of the world. He chats to James about how we are all victims of a psychological warfare experiment, perpetrated against us by the ‘joint corporate-political cartel’, designed to agitate and divide entire populations, to engineer another war, and to bring about totalitarian one world government.
He is the host of the Gaslighting Gilligan blog named after the autobiographical book in which he describes his journey, including his experience as an ‘invisible’ male survivor of domestic abuse. https://gaslightinggilligan.com
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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Johnny McNeil, a.k.a.
Gilligan.
I'm really looking forward to this podcast because you're not a...
I was very pleasantly surprised when I came upon some of your stuff, and I realised this is a guy who served in the military, which is not normally a place where you get unbrainwashed people, and you are totally awake, And you totally get it.
So I'm quite interested, first of all, in hearing about your journey to...
Tell me about your time in the military, first of all.
Well, I joined in 1985 as a 16-year-old.
It was always a path that I was going to go on.
My dad was in the military.
And so basically, yeah, let's go with nothing of note in terms of qualifications.
Yeah, I joined up and as it transpired, I did a couple of operational tours.
Iraq, the first Iraq, and then a peacekeeping tour in Bosnia.
And, yeah, 2011, after 25 years, I, yeah, I left.
So, I mean, that's quite a...
I can prompt you.
So I'm quite interested in, on your operational tours, did you see stuff that surprised you and shocked you, that you realised, this is not what I joined up for?
Were there any kind of eye-opening moments then?
Not necessarily.
So I was only a Lance Corporal, you know, a young Lance Corporal in the First Iraq War.
Very naive.
You know, you think you're a master of the universe at that age.
You know, you think you're invincible.
Nothing, you know, there was nothing untoward.
We went out there, we did a job fully indoctrinated as most of us were.
I mean, the vast majority of military, you know, guys are indoctrinated and I was no exception.
But back in that time, you know, the early 90s, we never had a clue as to, you know, what was actually, you know, taking place.
I know except in hindsight.
And with my, you know, Gaslight and Gilligan Prism.
You know, we were there for corporate oil, in essence, you know.
Not to help Kuwaitis, you know, get free from Saddam's grip, but corporate oil.
I was a warrant officer, warrant officer class two, so sergeant major.
When I went and did the peacekeeping tour in Bosnia, much more mature.
Far wider open.
A little bit more politically engaged, but not very much so.
That was in 2004, and I began to become quite cynical of the media and politics in general as a result of the Iraq 2003 invasion.
So I was starting to question.
You know, the role of the British military and the role of the media.
During that 2003 period, late 2004, I went and did a peacekeeping tour in Bosnia.
And it was in Bosnia that I came to understand that the illusion of peace is as good as peace when you consider the alternative, you know, the bloodlust, the war that was actually taking place here.
We had to, doing weapon searches and the like, so we would provide the communications for the infantry lads to go in and do the searches.
And if there was, you know, a church or a mosque, you know, a place of worship, then we had to notify, you know, the cleric beforehand just to observe, you know.
Religious sensibilities, but of course that would just alert them to, you know, where we were going to be searching.
And sometimes we would get left behind some, you know, we'd send the reports back to Whitehall direct via SATCOM link.
And, you know, bits and pieces would be found, but nothing, you know, really significant.
And it just seemed to be a game of, you know, kind of cat and mouse.
But with both sides knowing, Tom and Jerry, but with everybody knowing, you know, what the game was.
And you just had to accept that that's what it was because the alternative was warfare.
Does that make sense?
Yes, yes it does.
I probably like you.
The illusion of peace is as good as peace itself.
Yeah, I used to be...
I used to consider myself a conservative stroke libertarian.
And I was always quite hot for war.
I used to think that the West were the good guys and they were kind of acting as the world's policeman.
And that occasionally these Hitler-like characters would emerge like Saddam Hussein.
And he was he was doing, you know, gassing Kurds and doing terrible things.
And so we in the free world had a moral duty to liberate innocent countries like Kuwait from these these oppressors.
Yada, yada, yada.
And now.
I do not believe a word that I'm told by the media.
I think...
I used to think they were heroes, and now I think they just make stuff up, or they print out press releases.
Yeah.
Actors.
You know, they are in essence actors, you know.
And I think for me, my political awakening I should say.
And it was during 2014, during the Scottish independence referendum.
I was fully on board with it because, again, to try and give this some context, my last years I finished off at the Defence Procurement Agency.
And there were some shoddy practices in there where basically the higher rank you were, the more you got away with.
You know, certain rules didn't apply.
You know, basically jumping ship from, you know, the military signing off on certain contracts to a company and then going working for that company.
Yeah.
You know, there used to be, well, there was, and probably still is, a two-year ban on being able to do that.
But that would only apply to the small people.
You know, if you're higher up the food chain, it was never really enforced.
So, there were other things as well, but I was actually quite cynical of the, you know, after the Iraq WMD scandal, my own time in the Defence Procurement Agency, and by the time I moved back up to Scotland in 2014, I witnessed, it wasn't a referendum, it was a propaganda war.
And it was akin to that which we'd all witnessed, you know, during 2002, 2003, to get us to go to Iraq.
It was akin to that.
And what do you think the purpose of that propaganda war was?
Just divide and rule?
Yeah, I think at the time it was obviously to defeat any notion of Scottish independence.
But the long-term aim, I believe, was to present to the world this idea, and to the rest of the UK, this idea that Scotland was a divided country.
So yes, spot on what you just said there.
Scotland was a divided country, possibly even right for civil war.
Yeah.
Right?
And I think similarly, so whilst that was designed to divide the Scots population and give the world that impression, equally, Brexit, which was a predominantly English And that was, again, to give the world the impression that England was a divided country also.
So you had this scenario.
Whereby you had all this potential for civil unrest, not only in Scotland, but also in England, due to take place, or potentially going to take place.
And I believe that was the plan.
I believe that was the overall plan.
And they were going to militarise it around about late June, early July.
In 2017.
However, they didn't get away with it.
Oh, that's interesting.
We'll develop that in a moment.
I don't know about you.
I was a passionate Brexiteer.
This was probably my last period when I believed in politics as a kind of way of solving problems.
I brought into all the stuff about.
You know, reestablishing our independence and our sovereignty, escaping from this European monolith and having our decisions made for us by unelected bureaucrats, all the stuff that we were told.
And I certainly saw.
I mean, we talk about the English Civil War and about how it was that cousins fought against cousins, brothers against brothers and families, you know, were divided by this thing.
I suppose in a way, without the bloodshed, that was our equivalent.
That even now there are people who will barely talk to me or even won't talk to me, even friends, as a result of what I now realise was It achieved nothing other than to create this bitterness.
But your estimation is that they were actually aiming for something even more divisive than that, actual civil unrest.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just Take a small rewind On the You know The lead into Brexit So I believe that At Certainly Nigel Farage.
I've been British state projects all along.
I've been establishment projects all along.
Farage himself, drip-fed into, you know, into BBC Question Time.
I think that was 2010, his first appearance.
I think he's now joint highest record holder of number of appearances on BBC Question Time.
Oh.
Hello.
Hello again, James.
Yeah, sorry about that.
So you were saying about Barrage?
Yeah, so I believe he's been a British establishment project all along.
Yes.
And his role was...
That Labour would obviously push that same legislation as well, because both of them are pro-Brexit parties.
But as you said yourself, it was all theatre.
It was all agitation.
And yeah, for the drill-down division of society, of UK society, and that was supposed to converge, I believe, with a militarisation trigger.
Which they didn't get.
I have a backstory to that if you're interested in it.
It's a little bit out there.
Yeah, tell me.
Why not?
We like it out there.
Okay, so I'd been studying certain narratives since the 12th of September 2016.
I basically had cause to do that, to start monitoring.
And one of them in particular was this constant, I felt, I was observing, constant demonisation and dehumanisation of men.
Okay?
By, you know, late on 2016, I'd established that there was a pattern, it wasn't a coincidence, there was a distinct and continuous pattern to it.
I then understood that if...
It was, you know, essentially, are you familiar with the white feather women, the suffragette white feather women during World War I?
Yes, there was a horrible bullying campaign.
Was that presumably orchestrated by the government, where women gave white feathers to young men who were not yet in uniform or whatever?
I believe so.
I believe it was an establishment project.
It was establishment-driven.
And so it began with the suffragettes obviously wanting to vote.
They became ever more militant.
You actually had a white feather brigade, I believe they were called, where, yes, they would basically be permissioned to walk up to a guy in civilian dress, who wasn't in military uniform basically, and humiliate him.
Into going to join up.
Plus you had propaganda posters, you know, that were using gender and gender roles to also shame men into military uniform.
And what I was observing was a broadcast, a broad brush, broadcast Verznor.
There was this constant message demonising and dehumanising men.
I then looked, I looked, I was just observing again to find out, I thought, well, if I am right on this, there has to be some sort of trigger.
There has to be some sort of catalyst to start bringing this together, to do anything with it.
And at the time, late 2016, early 2017, I don't know if you recall the WannaCry cyber attack.
Do you recall that at all?
The WannaCry cyber attacks took place on the NHS and it was quite well publicised.
The NHS were basically coming to a standstill because it affected Windows XP, which is what the NHS ran on.
There was fears about Scotland Yard as well coming under an attack.
But ludicrously, and it is ludicrously, but nobody would have known, you know, To question it, really, not your average bod to question it, so apparently did Trident submarines.
Right?
Right.
And so what they were going to do, I believe, was stage, stage the sinking of a Trident sub in the Clyde estuary.
Right?
Blame Iran.
Now, Iran did specifically get the blame for it, for the cyber attack.
In fact, there was an attack took place on the 23rd of June on the Houses of Parliament.
An attack on the Houses of Parliament.
And Iran got the blame for that.
The reason why I think this whole thing is failing, and I'm quite confident that's the case, is, and this is where people struggle with this, I went to Berlin.
Okay, I could see what was coming.
I'd written the book, so I'd written as if I'd already been writing Gaslighting Gilligan as a factual account of some aspects of Gaslighting that I'd been subjected to.
When I'd stumbled on this narrative, I then changed tack and I wrote it as a dystopian fiction.
So in Gaslighting Gilligan and the book itself as a dystopian fiction is the actual story of what should have taken place or what was set to take place, and still is if they ever do get that trigger.
This is why they've been pursuing so hard via Ukraine to get into a war with Russia.
And when that failed, they've been sort of joint, and it is a joint US, UK and Israeli genocide in Gaza, in order to try and draw Iran in, which also is not working.
So they're trying to come back to the same scenario whereby they've got a reason to have a national emergency, a UK national emergency specifically, which will chain react across other EU democracies.
And so I went to Berlin.
My initial plan, that was on Friday the 23rd of June, I flew over.
My initial plan was to go straight to the Irish embassy.
And warn them about, certainly about the stage.
I actually believe they're going to do it at the time.
But now in hindsight, with other narratives, other global narratives that have come out, I know they only had to stage it.
And so, in effect, what I did was, oh, so the Irish Embassy was shut on the Friday when I got there.
So I was going to wait until the Monday morning.
And I became convinced over the weekend I wasn't going to make it to the Irish Embassy.
So I walked up, and as it transpired, it turned out a better plan B, as it were.
I'd already spotted a permanent sentry outside this building.
That building was the Berlin diplomats building.
I walked up to the two German Bundespolizei, so the government police, and essentially Of course, they thought I was mad.
Yes.
And I totally accept that, of course.
Why wouldn't they think I was mad?
But I convinced them, after five or so minutes, to take me inside and put me immediately in touch with the Irish Embassy.
And one of them did.
So one century stayed outside.
The other one took me in.
They were initially trying to put me in touch with the British Embassy because they had my driver's license, which has a union flag on it.
And I kept saying to them, no, no, the Irish Embassy.
It must be the Irish Embassy.
And I did.
So I also did a Facebook Live.
But that account has since been deleted.
Basically, say what I'm telling you now.
That there was going to be a staged thinking of a trident sub in the Clyde.
And in order to create that national emergency, now anybody who's familiar with obviously such things knows that there are not enough British military by themselves to barely to, certainly not under those circumstances, to initiate a deployment.
To manage civil unrest, certainly not sustain one.
And this is where I believe the Trump president, the original, the first Trump presidency was coming into play because Theresa May in the hot chair at the time was going to call Donald Trump essentially and ask for US support.
So you'd have had US troops on mainland Britain.
Right.
To help manage that.
But also, going on in the background, you would have the beginnings of a global conflict, a global war.
Yeah.
Okay.
Does that make sense?
Just pause you there.
Well, lots of it makes sense.
Here's where I definitely agree with you.
It's obvious to anyone with eyes to see that the British establishment has been hankering after war with Russia, with Iran, whoever.
But it's clear at the moment that, well, I mean, obviously we get endless anti-Putin propaganda, but lots of stories in the papers at the moment about Iran doing bad things.
Like burning down his house or trying to and...
Is Iran getting a blame for the house?
If it hasn't been blamed for that, it's been blamed for a lot of other things recently.
Yes, that's true.
Iranian terrorist cells being blamed for this.
And I just think, oh, really?
Do people actually believe this stuff?
So, yeah.
And I can see that this would go back some time.
What I'm not sure about are the specifics that you mentioned.
Just, for example, okay, they want a war.
What's your theory on why they want a war?
I mean, I have my own theories, but I'm interested in hearing yours.
I think it's a truly, because there is an agenda for a truly Totalitarian, global Western dictatorship.
And this is why the EU are full square behind Israel.
This is why you've got South American democracies that have obviously been long infiltrated by obviously the US.
So a truly, truly global scale Western totalitarian regime.
A true party, if you like.
You know, Orwellian party construct that has been in play.
And to try and give this some context, when the Nazis first introduced the Volkskampfanger, Volkskampfanger Radio, the people's receiver, Everything that was, you know, it stands to reason that everything that was broadcast on that Volkskampfange was to push, promote their agenda.
And so I believe that, you know, much of the history that we've been given is itself, you know, much of it's a lie.
And this good guy, bad guy narrative, which we've been fed through, you know, comics.
You know, in war films.
It's always black and white.
It's good guys, bad guys.
And we're always the good guys, you know.
And so what was actually happening during the, you know, the interim period after the Nazis wheeled out the Volksentwanger 1933 is nothing stopped.
And I believe what's been happening since then is that with the advent of, you know, Colour television, etc.
Television, colour television.
The same process, this Volkskampfanger process has continued.
And I think they had it all but sealed near as dammit.
And I think we've been, you know, existing in this perfect dictatorship since the Reagan-Thatcher era.
And the, you know, the...
Can we just go back?
Because obviously you're of a similar mind to me and to a lot of People watching this, that there is this unaccountable elite class which wants to turn us all into a one-world government dictatorship and they want to use divide and rule and so on.
But I'm quite interested in looking at moments of history through awake eyes and asking questions.
For example, The Bosnia.
What was really going on there?
I mean, do you have any thoughts on the alleged massacre in Srebrenica?
A lot of this stuff I don't believe happened as it was sold to us.
What was the real purpose of that whole Bosnia and Kosovo episode?
I can't give you a definitive on that.
Trade routes, perhaps?
What it did do was actually present this narrative that we cared about Muslims as much as Christians, because a lot of the NATO bombing which took place was actually in the protection of Muslims.
So it certainly played a part in doing that.
As for the overall strategic significance of it, other than trade routes perhaps, I'm not skilled enough or knowledgeable enough to have a comment on that.
I mean, there are stories that were big at the time, which I no longer believe, like Mike Jackson stopping war with the Russians by At Pristina Airport, I think it was.
Right.
He did something that averted conflict.
But these generals that one is encouraged to think of as kind of tough, no-nonsense, capable figures, they're all just part of this corrupt military-industrial complex.
They're not remotely acting in the interests of the The British people who encouraged to root for them.
Yeah.
Jackson, I believe he's passed now, hasn't he?
Has he?
Yeah, I think he passed away.
I think so.
I think it passed recently.
But he would have had, he may have had questions to...
But he's role in Northern Ireland in the early days of the Troubles.
Oh, was he involved?
Yes, you're right.
Bloody Sunday.
Yes.
Right.
I think he was a captain at the time in the parachute regiment.
Yeah.
And the theatre that you refer to, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Did General Jackson stop war with Russia?
Well, we have to question just about every narrative we've ever been fed, especially when it puts us as the good guy, you know, and the Russians or the Iranians or the Chinese as the bad guys.
Yeah, I was just...
Looking back...
But even before that, as a Lance Corporal, you would have been thoroughly indoctrinated that you were in the best army in the world and that you were doing the Lord's work and making things right.
But wearing your awake hat.
Not necessarily in the Gulf.
That was pretty straightforward.
I think one of my overriding I suppose emotions, feelings at the time, Was I felt sorry for the Iraqi conscripts.
Yes!
I pitied them, you know, because the ship bombed out of them for, I think it was a six-week aerial kind of bombardment before we even went across the breach.
And it was essentially, you know, mopping up.
And obviously the armour had been through, the artillery had been doing its stuff as well.
And, of course, the infantry went through and mopped up, and we were just behind them.
We did have, you know, I remember we got put out in what's called a relay, relay, I won't bore you, but basically it was too much longer of a distance between two points that need to communicate, directional communications.
plonk a vehicle in the middle and that was us to basically relay the broadcast.
And we had streams of Iraqi conscripts who would, what There was only three of us out on this debt.
So we couldn't take them to PRW because then you're obliged to provide them with shelter and rations and, you know, take all their details and protect them.
So we just had to warn them off and keep them walking past us.
But the state of them, the absolute state of them was, yeah, it was just to be pitied, you know.
So that's probably, I guess, the one thing that stood out from it, really, because...
Yeah, you're right.
We thought we were doing, you know, the good guy's work.
Freeing Kuwait from Saddam's grip.
And it was pretty straightforward.
You know?
I got the impression.
Particularly towards the end.
I mean, when the Republican Guard were obliterated by warthog tank busters and things.
That was just a turkey shoot, wasn't it?
It was murder, basically.
Oh, right, yes.
The highway to hell.
So we flew over that.
So we'd gone to Kuwait.
My trunk node had moved into Kuwait proper.
We weren't far from the highway to hell.
And, yeah, absolutely.
It was just teeming with broken vehicles and bodies.
It was, as you say, it was a Turkish ship.
There was absolutely nothing about that that had any strategic, military strategic, tactical advantage.
They were running back to Iraq, as it were.
There was no need for that.
No need for that at all.
But, you know, the Americans are well known.
In particular for, you know, the gung-ho approach.
Yeah, and that's why I think it's dangerous that, you know, if the Americans were ever given the pretext to get boots on the ground here, because you would struggle to get, I think in this day and age, you would struggle to get British troops to turn weapons on British civilians.
You'd struggle to do that, even though it's obviously been done.
It was done on Northern Ireland.
Quite easily, as it transpired.
But I think American troops would have no hesitation on quelling civil unrest, shall we say.
Yeah.
Well, I was thinking about this, that not probably since the Second World War have armed forces in the West faced an equal I mean, they've always had total air superiority.
They've always been taking on more badly equipped conscript armies in often sort of, well, okay, so you've got the Korean War.
So I suppose we had the Chinese, but this was quite early in China's history where they had a lot of men, but not so much in the way of materiel.
What else was there?
The Vietnam War, obviously.
We were total air superiority.
The Falklands.
And you've got these soldiers like yourself who were pumped up.
I mean, it must be on the eve of the invasion.
You must have been massively keyed up and almost excited.
How did it feel?
Yeah, exhilarating.
It was, yeah, it was probably one of the greatest things I've ever done in my life, you know, because we thought we were doing it for the right reasons as well, you know.
But what, you know, it was exhilarating.
It was a buzz.
It was like nothing else.
And, in fact, when we got warned off to go the second time in 2003, You know, we were excited about it.
We were, you know, buzzing for it.
You know, because we're still locked into that kind of mindset, you know.
But in hindsight, I'm glad I didn't deploy in the 2003 one, thankfully.
But so you're pumped up as if you are going in on Sword Beach.
On D-Day, you're keyed up to the same degree, except you're not facing German machine gun positions in bunkers.
You're facing a conscript army which has been bombed for six weeks in a way that makes them shit their pants quite literally and just causes them brain damage.
And you've got pumped up soldiers who've trained for this, who've been trained to kill.
I'll bet quite a lot of people want to get their kind of killing jollies, don't they?
I mean, you get some of that going on.
I would imagine so.
And that's all I can say.
I would imagine so.
It's unlikely you're going to get any, you know, rational thinking going on at a time like that.
Very unlikely.
You're going to see the Beeston guys, and that's all you're going to see.
Yeah.
Which is where I think propaganda films like, I mean, Spielberg I think is one of the most evil propagandists the film industry has ever produced.
And Saving Private Ryan, which was, which was, which made a lot of impact when it came out, was very much about about You have to not take any prisoners and kill them because look at what they've been doing to your guys.
Kill them without mercy.
I'm sure everyone would have seen that or similar films.
Well, so it would have its effect, wouldn't it?
You know what I mean?
I think if we can start...
not just in war.
Often financed by the military, providing all the kit.
Blackrock as well, I think, are heavily invested in Hollywood productions.
You know, so, yeah, and this weapon system, if you like, I think has been in play since, certainly since the Volkskampfhanger, since the Nazis' radio receiver, and has been with us ever since, you know, the advent of broadcast technology.
We're only, I think, just beginning to wake up to, I mean, I don't think many people have actually woken up to that concept yet.
You know, entertainment as a weapon, but I believe in time they will.
And I believe in time they'll see just how established, long established, it's been, you know, Hollywood's a century old.
You know, slightly over a century old, you know.
Are you aware of any of your former comrades who have woken up in the way that you have?
Not to this extent.
Some are, you know, waking up.
There's a good friend of mine, ex-military as well, I'll just say Rick, and he describes, well, he has every money.
He said, I mean, he's been aware of my Gaslight and Gilligan work since I went to Berlin.
And he saw me on Facebook Live, you know, when I was inside that diplomat building trying to warn people, you know, that this incident, this staging, this act was going to be done.
So he's been with me throughout.
And you actually, when you do something like that, you find out who your friends are.
You really are, you know, the ones, you know, the ones who stick by you, you know.
I must have thought you were nuts.
Oh, absolutely.
You know, and I get that.
I totally get that.
Although you were nuts, by the way, imagining the Irish Embassy would be any better.
I mean, look at Ireland.
Well, yes, that was, I mean, I've made a lot more sense of a hell of a lot more since then.
But Rick, years ago, about maybe four or five years ago, said to me, he said, I'm like the kind of everyman.
He said, if some of your theories are starting to make sense to me, Then there's a good chance, you know, they start to make sense to a lot more people.
And so he's a good little kind of litmus test.
If I run something by him and say, can you see the logic of this?
Are you aware this is historically precedented?
And he'll give it some thought, you know, rather than dismiss it straight away.
But as time progresses and he can see...
A lot of it, a lot of the kind of minutiae, I feel like, is starting to make more and more sense.
And, you know, there's a lot of the aspects of the demonization, dehumanization of men.
In the book, I put the book out that weekend, you know, it was a Sunday, 25th of June in 2017.
Now, it's not stated by name, because in the book there is, I did something called the dark triad model for global fascism.
And that works under the, you know, the collective policy and orchestrated policy and propaganda working together.
Through austerity, patriotism, and that was the MAGA and Brexit patriotism, and the Istanbul Convention.
And the Istanbul Convention is the UN's charter for the prevention of violence against women and girls.
And so that forms part of the model.
And collectively, they drive...
They drive emotional behavioural responses.
Now, the Istanbul Convention aspect of it is just basically aspects of propaganda that I was taking from television and turn it into a kind of dystopian, fictional format.
That propaganda thread became real, if you like, and conscious, and it interfaces.
In October 2017.
So just a few months later.
And that is called Me Too.
The Me Too movement is a propaganda narrative housed in, if you like, the white feather women concept of shaming men, preparing to shame men into military uniform upon mobilisation.
Okay, what do you mean?
Because by And the like.
It A, made men bitter and feeling got at, and B, with luck.
By driving through that shame, through basically associating near enough every man around the corner as a potential paedophile, rapist, sex attacker, whatnot.
All that kind of constant messaging.
Was essentially, is still trying, I believe, to try and drive men into societal and therefore state subservience.
Straight away, to shame us into that, to mass emasculate and shame us into state subservience.
And then off the back of that, if you have a coincidental militarisation trigger, A patriotic trigger or something.
You've got the combination, you've got vengeance, you know, a lust for revenge, if you like, you know, if we've just been attacked.
You had the MAGA, the Brexit patriotism, you know, going on at the time.
And so these things collectively, because no, that's the thing, no one narrative exists in a vacuum.
These narratives are hitting us collectively.
And so they have the combined emotional behavioural effects on us.
Yes.
So what it needed was, and so, I mean, austerity.
So what austerity, I believe, the design of that was to recreate the, so what would it be, the Versailles Treaty, the state of Germany, so Weimar Germany after the Versailles Treaty.
For men to be, you know, struggling to earn for, obviously, Germany as a country to be actually, you know, earning anything as a whole without obviously giving its wealth away to, you know, the Allied powers at the time.
But men, men in particular, unable, earning poor wages or struggling to get work at all.
And so what they're doing is to try to kind of emulate the Visay Treaty effect in Germany after World War I. That then coincided with the Great Depression.
The stock market crashed in 1929 in the US, which obviously travelled around the Western world.
And then, so what you had, this culmination of this Great Depression, particularly in the US.
So what you do is you make men ripe for purpose, to give them meaning and purpose.
Yes.
And then what you do is you produce this, Führer-type figure who's going to come along and give them back their sense of meaning in patriotism, a sense of purpose in a military uniform.
Are you talking about Führer?
Or whoever?
Certainly, Trump.
Trump was going to be the key Führer figure.
But they play the same role.
Both Trump and Farage have played the same role.
So Farage drip-fed in the UK.
Trump drip-fed into the US psyche through his reality TV appearances, building up a reputation for himself there as a no-nonsense businessman type of thing.
So very, very similarly, but it would have been
And had that attack taken place and, you know, still, you know, they get to blame either the Iranians, the Russians or the Chinese, whoever, the usual suspects, then blame one of them for an attack.
Ideally for the cartel, the Orwellian cartel, somewhere on mainland Britain, in order to produce that kind of mass vengeful sentiment that young men in particular would be queuing up to go and, you know, to go and sign on the dotted line, as it were.
But the strategy's failed, hasn't it?
We haven't seen that happening.
Yes, it's failed.
Why?
Because they didn't get their initial militarization trigger.
Again, this is just my supposition.
I made such a noise, measured noise, I was a bit panicked.
But I was able to come across pretty cool as mad.
You know, as I must have appeared, obviously, in that building, that diplomat building, that I ended up speaking, well, so it wasn't only the Bundespolicy, so the government-level police, it was the Irish Embassy, it was the local police.
And so essentially what's happened is I think that within the first kind of 12, 24 hours, Of that taking place.
And I spoke to the Irish Embassy from the diplomats building on my own mobile phone.
So not secure.
But obviously that call coming from within, you know, the diplomat building.
Any competent intelligence agency on the planet would have had that, would have had those details.
Some madman has just walked in to this building, this government building in Berlin, demanded to speak to the Irish Embassy.
Saying that they're going to stage sinking of a submarine, a giant submarine in the Clyde.
They may well have thought, you know, well, it's a hell of a story just to, you know, come up with, but the guy might well be mad.
But it's something that I believe they couldn't go through with, but alerted different intelligence agencies to it.
And they've been trying to get the same outcome, nuclearised outcome, Or at least a footing.
At least a nuclear footing.
Right?
Because did you know that in late 2018, early 2019, I can't quite remember, the EDF, the French Energy Company, and the Office for Nuclear Responsibility, the Government Office for Nuclear Responsibility, permissioned themselves to restart Oh, which nuclear reactor was it?
It's on the Clyde as well.
Hunterston.
To restart it.
And overnight, they signed off.
So one of the reactors was just about to be decommissioned.
And the process had been decommissioned, I believe, because it was approaching its 350 crack limit in its casing.
You know, these casings obviously protect.
Us, you know, from what's going on inside.
And overnight, they upped that, they doubled it to 700 to allow it to keep running.
So I believe there was an attempt there to pursue this agenda, to create a national catastrophe that they could justify a national emergency response with.
And again, it wouldn't even have to go.
You wouldn't have to have a full meltdown.
You just have to have the pretext to do it, the footing to do it, to justify it.
I can send you the link, I wrote in that piece actually for...
You could be...
You may have been right.
But was it just a hunch?
Or what kind of...
You know, there was actual There was nothing in the mainstream media.
It was one of the alternate media.
I can't remember the name of the ferret, I think they're called.
the ferret basically had got documentation that they were increasing the number of permissible cracks in order I mean, as in the nuclear sub being sunk in the cloud by the Iranians.
Yeah, because this was my theory, me hypothesizing, based on the...
It had entered into the NHS.
There was a danger, we were told.
So this was in the Sun.
This was in the mainstream media.
This was all over the place, the NHS one.
The Sun and other publications were basically saying that Scotland Yard had Windows XP.
Trident Nuclear Subs had Windows XP.
And when I saw the Trident Nuclear Sub aspect, I was like, wait a minute.
Surely they can't.
You know, convince people that Trident nuclear subs run on Windows XP.
That's ridiculous.
You know, and could be affected by.
But the thing is, nobody would have been any of the wiser.
What we also had were stories that I'd been monitoring about lack security at FAS Lane, specifically at FAS Lane, lack security, about Trident sailors on drugs.
So you had this ill discipline, poor security, and what I think they were is they were essentially inevitability narratives.
So like manufacturing consent, so instead of manufacturing consent, you can't manufacture consent for a false flag.
So what you do is you build, similarly, you build an inevitability narrative where people, when something happens, so it's like the Black Swan event, people can only make You know, a sense of it and the hindsight bias kicks in and they go, oh yeah, we should have seen that coming.
Because you've been drip-fed the narrative as news, as you're being informed, right?
But what's actually happening is they're actually building the inevitability of such an outcome to the point where the inevitability of that Specific scenario is as likely to occur as not.
You perceive it was as likely to occur as not.
What did everybody do after?
I mean, the amount of people after Brexit, after Brexit vote went through, you know, and, you know, Brexit won, a lot of the reform voters that I spoke to went, yeah, could have seen it coming, seen it coming, seen it coming, seen it.
You know, they've seen it coming.
No, they didn't.
That's hindsight bias.
You know, that's hindsight bias.
So, what would have happened is, with the lax security stories that were being fed in, with the ill-discipline, the drugs, drug-taking by sailors on Trident subs, there was also a story as well.
In fact, there was quite a splash in one of the papers.
It might have been the Herald up here.
About a sailor who did an expose, an ex-sailor who did an expose on security, the poor security at, you know, a whistleblower at Faz Lane.
And so there was that narrative being set up.
And as soon as they said that Trident was vulnerable as well, I thought, you bastards.
You know, you're actually going to try and do this.
I thought, because I was so immersed in this, I thought they were actually going to do it at the time because I was convinced, well, they would at least need to disappear a crew, an entire crew, because they couldn't say, oh, such and such submarine has sunk at the bottom of the Clyde and not have, and have that crew go home.
Yeah, so how would they have done that?
I mean, that's quite the...
How many...
I'm not sure.
A couple of hundred?
Yeah, that's quite a few.
I'm really not sure.
Quite a few legends to invent.
Listen, we live in a very, very dark world.
Most people can't even, don't want to contemplate it, but we live in a very, very dark world.
And there is absolutely nothing beyond these people.
Nothing beyond them whatsoever.
And so, Yeah, so I believe that what we were going to be fed was the narrative that a Trident sub had been sunk by the WannaCry cyber virus, cyber attack, near Faslane, somewhere in the Clyde Estuary.
And so you would have had this Five Eyes fascism emanate from the Glasgow area.
To basically create this national emergency, militarised national emergency and martial law, no doubt, across ways of the UK.
And they've been trying the same idea via Russia, in Ukraine, and also via China.
Sorry.
Yeah, Taiwan.
They tried to do so via Taiwan.
But more recently, obviously, with the genocide in Gaza, trying to draw Iran.
Yes, they like to keep their options open.
It's desperation, I think.
They'll see whether things take.
I mean, I was thinking about the...
I often think about the Ukraine nonsense, that even now there are villages around me where...
And you're thinking, well, how did they go about getting a Ukraine flag for starters?
I mean, if I tried to get a, I don't know, a Bosnian flag or even a Hungarian flag, it would be quite difficult.
And yet, there were all these blue and yellow flags.
around the country to have well that that's clearly organized yeah um and you've got newspapers like the telegraph which is essentially the the propaganda sheet for mi5 and mi6 um it just just in fact one of its correspondents i i don't whether you you remember this
there was a he was a he was a lieutenant colonel in the um in in the second gulf war and they made a big deal of publicizing the speech he gave to his troops before his they went to him yeah
the irishman so he was being he was being set up as a future spokesman of the military industrial complex he they prepare these roles for them.
I don't, was it Richard Kemp on me?
I don't think it was Kemp.
But I'm sure that the figure you're talking about was an Irishman or an Ulsterman.
Let's have a look.
Richard Kemp.
He was a...
Let's have a look at his track record.
He commanded an infantry battalion, but did he do it?
Um...
Yeah, no, obviously I'm conflating two different stories.
But yeah, I mean, they do set up these characters who later become supposed experts who are telling us what's in our interests.
And in my innocent days when I used to believe in war as a kind of solution to everything, I used to think these were honest brokers.
Kind of speaking up for this urgent need that Britain had for more military spending.
What were we doing?
But there were all these Hitlers around the world, and we were just sitting on our hands, just not rearming and not boosting our military.
And how could we do that?
Because that's where options for change started after the first Gulf War.
Where guys started receiving brown envelopes and basically getting laid off, you know, from the military.
So you had all these rounds of options for change where the manpower has been dwindled down.
And I believe that that was to dwindle us down to such a state as we're in now in order to provide that pretext that you would need external help.
And that external help most obviously would come from the US.
OK, this is the obvious question which everyone's been itching for me to ask you.
What about these young fighting age men who are being imported en masse in the guise of being economic migrants in dinghies?
But they're clearly, they're disciplined.
Some of them have got military haircuts.
They're being housed in strategically or tactically, you might say, in hostels in every town around the country.
Surely that's the police force, the quasi-military policing force you're talking about, really.
They don't need the Americans.
They've got these thugs.
I don't think that they're going to be reliable enough, though, to rely on themselves.
I am convinced, having for some time, that the intelligence services, our own intelligence services, have been bringing these guys in.
To write those headlines and perhaps even to act militarily.
Because, and here's the thing, there are a lot of senior military politicians, so Keir Starmer, Sunak before him, Admiral Radican, who will be indicted for war crimes.
They will be indicted for war crimes.
Oh, that's fantastic.
Absolutely.
No.
How?
No.
These people get away with murder.
The difference is, this time, is that the overall agenda is failing.
What we're actually experiencing, I believe, is growing pains.
Had this all gone to plan, it would have been fairly seamless, and most of us have still been very, very naive.
We still believe in the good guys, bad guys kind of scenarios.
You know, I've heard it referred to as, you know, a great awakening.
Well, it is.
We're in the process of having a great awakening.
Come on, there's you, there's me.
None of your, apart from your one mate, Yeah, that's a fair point, but we're not alone.
You know, you've got, I mean, I've been on with Sonia Pilton, you know, she's got quite a following.
Rick Munn, who had quite a following on TNT before TNT folded.
Or did it, John?
Or did it?
Maybe it was folded.
I think the latter.
I think it was folded.
I think there were too many truly independent, you know, journalists and activists who were getting too close.
They tried to muzzle them, didn't they?
Yeah, yeah, and it didn't work.
And so I think a lot of them were getting too close.
This time, this time it's different.
They're not getting their war.
They do have to militarise somehow.
And because they're not getting a war, they've been trying to set up the pretext to blame the population, to blame the UK population.
This, I believe, was part of the old...
Stabbing?
Oh, the Stockport thing, which I think some of us are very sceptical of.
So that was, yeah.
A Taylor Swift...
A Taylor Swift dance event.
Yeah, right.
Very, very similarly to the Ariana Grande, you know, theme.
Lots of young girls, you know, so that drives that emotiveness in men and young, you know, young lads in particular and men to protect our women.
That's why, you know, you've got this constant narrative of, and indeed it would appear, you know, young men of fighting age.
Coming over, you know, on dinghies and the like.
I think they're being deliberately brought in to write those headlines.
And there's a quote that goes, propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.
That's Joseph Goebbels.
And so by bringing, by having lots and lots and lots of dark-skinned people, You know, and photographs, and there's certainly been young men coming in that people are afraid of, then you're setting up all dark-skinned people.
Do you?
And that gives the state then, sorry, sorry James, that gives the state then the pretext to protect those dark-skinned people and any other minority, the LGBT lot.
So the LGBT super propaganda overload, that's deliberate as well.
That's setting them up also to be at the forefront of a backlash, a generally white, heterosexual, male-led backlash, in order to provide the state themselves with the pretext that they need to protect those minorities from the mob, and then they get to stay on the streets.
The military get to stay on the streets.
Do you think that the rape gangs, which undoubtedly exist, and...
I mean, possibly even as early as the 80s, you've got these...
A lot of them seem to have come from Kashmiri, Pakistani origin, although not exclusively, but predominantly Muslim.
So I can see why there is this...
Do you think that the establishment allowed this to go on for the same reason?
Yeah, absolutely.
So I did a piece years and years ago.
I mean, I've been writing since 2017 for my blog, so obviously GaslightGilligan.com, by the way, free download.
Gaslight Gilligan is a free download, just a basic PDF.
But obviously I've been writing for...
Nobody else is.
No, no, do it.
You can at the end as well, but I think a good plug in the middle is a good move, and I should learn from you, because I never do it when I go on other people's podcast.
It wasn't planned.
It just popped into my head.
Yeah, so it's a free download.
You know, donations are welcome, but there's no obligation.
But I've also been writing in real time for the blog itself, obviously, with political developments.
Or just something in which, you know, I feel I should write about.
And it was, there was supposedly the Inquiry into Institutional Child Sexual Abuse, the Australia specific one, that was on a full five minute delay.
So it's supposedly coming live.
From, you know, from Parliament, from the Inquirer itself.
But it was in a full five minute delay.
What was said was to protect, you know, identities.
But it's not.
to protect the construct itself because throughout that were They were just doing it.
Some parents didn't even know.
I think when newborns were taking off mothers and the like, without even getting a chance to get to know their kids, it was taken off them and sent, as if we were back in the 40s and 50s.
But that was still going on in the late 70s and 80s.
And so I wrote that piece on how I believe that they break children deliberately.
They want to break children in order to leave them permanently broken throughout adulthood because it makes people easier to manage.
It makes them, the more vulnerable they are to their emotions and lack awareness of what's actually driving them, the more easily manipulated people are.
And so, yes, and I was a bit long-winded that, sorry.
But yes, so I think this child abuse in terms of child trafficking for sexual purpose, so seeding the empire as they did, so sending, you know, white kids out to the empire in order to seed the empire, but also for sexual abuse.
Organised within the British establishment and elsewhere since forever, no doubt.
But what I believe is they allowed it to take place in the Muslim communities, male Muslim communities, in order to provide that new signpost.
So to get the headlines out there.
You know, these Muslim rape gangs or Asian rape gangs as the press broadened it so you could blame anybody from Asia, you know, basically any dark-skinned person.
And I believe the British establishment allowed that to thrive in order to set up these headlines, these stories, in order that they would come in to their own when they got the militarisation trigger.
And so Muslim communities would be attacked, you know, also LGBT.
Anybody with burn skin, basically, would be...
I think that makes a lot of sense.
There's no way they could not have known.
And the pretext about, you know, You know, observing sensibilities, you know, not wanting to appear to be racist.
Codswallop.
Absolute rubbish.
That was to a low...
To go the population.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
How dare they not?
And so you've got this rage bait, this agitation propaganda that's allowed to ferment.
And what people will come to understand is that It needs conflict, internal or external.
It needs an enemy in order to bind the overall British construct together.
Not just the British, I think.
I think every country relies on this technique, no?
Well, yeah, certainly the manufactured ones.
So the five I's.
So Canada.
You know, Australia, New Zealand, although not to a lesser degree in New Zealand because at least they've made, you know, strenuous efforts over the years to recognise the kind of Maori heritage, you know.
But the US and certainly the UK, Great Britain, yeah, requires, you know, psychical wars, periodical conflict, tragedies.
To bind, to create this community nation propaganda construct.
Volk's Gemeinschaft.
Yeah.
So I wrote a piece years ago, a bit of a mouthful.
the tragedy charity gaslight ceremony cycle.
And so it's just this constant, largely self-serve.
So what happens when, let's say, the war dead, some war dead...
They're rolled out into Hertz's, you know, Union Jack across the coffin and paraded through, you know, the local town on the way to the destinations.
Obviously, the streets are lined.
It's a huge propaganda coup to do that.
Now, what's happened is Certainly when you've got young impressionable lads who don't have any prospects, who don't have a job, who have no meaning or purpose, look at the way they're responding to those heroes.
You know, I'm going to go and be one of them.
The poppy, right?
The poppy has been weaponised.
Weaponised waterfalls is one of my pieces.
Do you remember the displays, the porcelain poppies that were made, thousands of them, and it was displayed as a waterfall on the Tower of London, right?
Yes.
That was a private enterprise.
Okay, that was a profit-making enterprise.
They made a small donation to, you know, the poppy appeal, but that was a private enterprise.
What happens, I think, is this process whereby And what has happened overall is we've moved from a sombre commemoration of Remembrance Day into a celebration of militarism.
And it's been quite seamless.
Right?
Because the way they do it is with these bigger and bigger displays.
It's more, you know, ostentatious displays.
Hoppies.
I mean, I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
I could, because obviously I think, you know, Gaslight and Gilligan.
Yeah, yeah.
They had poppies on the same, on the side of main battle tanks, of a main battle tank.
So they put the poppy on the killing machine, right?
I can't remember which aircraft it was.
It was a fast jet, fixed wing fast jet, RAF fighter.
Poppy.
On the side.
So there you've got these destructive killing machines with the poppy on.
And so it became a recruitment to leave and so I've got it, I've still got it.
I made a wee meme out of it of kids holding up placards, you know.
My daddy's in the military, like he's got a placard and they're either wearing poppy t-shirts or my daddy's in the army or something like that.
So it became a recruitment tool.
And so what they do is, it's a process that is like a Volksgemeinschaft process.
People's community process or community nation.
So when we're emotionalised, we're at our most irrational.
Straight away, we are irrational.
We're not thinking straight when we're emotional.
And what they do is they moralise.
This is why in terms of the moral, we've got these kind of, So we're the moral authority in the world.
so we're conditioned to believe, you know, and that's how news, Religion does this.
And everybody can regard themselves as a Christian, automatic, thinks that they kind of hold the moral authority on a subject, let's say.
But a lot of it's wrapped in the stoic victimhood narrative.
That's the British construct itself.
It's like this Churchillian stoic victimhood narrative, right?
Every war film, World War II war film that you'll watch has been made in Oh, funnily enough, can I just say briefly, I'm enjoying your spiel very much, but earlier on I was reminded of this.
Have you seen the 1952, I think it is, movie Dunkirk?
Yes.
Long time ago.
We were shown at my prep school.
And certainly the private school system is used as a training ground to inculcate in the future officer class that their moral duty lies in getting killed in these glorious wars.
It's like there's a lot of brainwashing going on, which I wasn't aware of at the time.
It's glorifying that era, and it's a very effective piece, a brilliant piece of propaganda, the Dunkirk film.
It's got a very moving score, a haunting score by, at once wistful and kind of uplifting, by Malcolm Williamson, I think.
He was master of the Queen's music.
It's very, very good.
I think it's got classic actors like Michael Redgrave in it, and it's got the little boats going out.
You know, there's this chap who's got this His little motorboat.
Enough's enough.
I've got to go and rescue our boys.
And you're thinking about real history.
You're thinking about what actually happened to Dunkirk.
There is no way that, what was it, 300,000 troops could have been evacuated from Dunkirk without Hitler's permission.
agreement.
What we know, Hitler, His favourite movie was Lives of the Bengal Lancers.
He still thought that Britain could be his ally against Bolshevism.
He was still prepared to give Britain the whole, you know, you can have your empire.
Just let me get on with defeating the commies.
And we were sold this line as it's all because of our pluck, all because of our heroic little, little.
Not because Hitler wanted us to get away with it.
So, yeah, I totally agree with you.
The way we are manipulated by...
And then later on you get...
I mean, there's a whole podcast to be done on war films, Where Eagles Dare, where you've now got to the stage where you've got Clint Eastwood with his Schmeisser, and he's just going...
He's just killing loads and loads of...
They're Nazis.
I think we used to call them Germans.
They're rather Nazis.
That came later.
But he's killing them, you know, like with his Schmeisser, and it's so cool, and it's fun.
Killing Germans is fun.
And so on.
And then you progress to the Nadia, if you can progress to a Nadia, where you get the hideous, well, Steven Spielberg, awful, but the even worse, Tarantino, with the worst, the most nauseating war film ever made.
In glorious passes.
What a tosser.
Oh, go away.
That's my son at the station.
Hang on, wait a second.
Hello?
Okay, I'll pick you up.
Bye.
Yeah, so it's all there.
It's threaded throughout these films, A Bridge Too Far, The Great Escape.
The stoic victimhood narrative is there throughout.
And it's so Clichéd It's so observable When you know What to look for These aren't
Yeah, and so essentially you've got this, and those weaponised, those poppy displays.
We're slowly but surely moving us towards a more right wing.
And so what you had, when the term poppy fascism was used, initially I believe it was used because people would pick you up for not having a poppy on.
But what we actually had, I perceive, was poppy fascism.
In that, the poppy was weaponised for fascist ends.
To drive us, to take us, to carry us more towards right wing sentiment.
I was thinking, Johnny, you've thrown up a lot of really interesting ideas, some of which people are going to be watching you and thinking, well, is this guy a complete loon or is there something in what he says?
I get the impression that you have been studying propaganda methods quite deeply so that you've pieced together these apparently disparate and Unconnected elements.
And you've made sense of them within the context of how propaganda works.
Is that right?
Yeah, and how it affects the human condition.
If you understand how the propaganda works and have a decent understanding of the human...
I did three years of counselling courses.
For a year, I had my client group.
And so I have a good, I have a very sound grasp of the human condition, actually.
But a lot of it, other than the actual formal courses that I was on, a lot of it's kind of self-taught.
You know, it's how does this make me feel?
How is it making that feel?
What, you know, physical reaction am I seeing from that person?
I mean, sometimes it was like, I mean, Victoria Derbyshire, the Victoria Derbyshire show was laden, was absolutely laden with the male demonisation propaganda.
Oh, tell me about it.
I don't watch...
Was she on BBC?
Yeah, it got...
you got shit candy, got, you know, they took it off the air.
And which was really surprising because it was really quite a popular show during, during daytime.
It was BBC in the morning and, and they took it off air because the format Hi, sorry I lost you there.
But you've presumably been telling me what Victoria Derbyshire did.
Yeah, well, what she did do on her, you know, the Victoria Derbyshire show was essentially demonise, dehumanise men throughout that, you know, that kind of, that, that, But it wasn't explicit.
It was all very much suggestive and subliminal, whereby especially kind of more younger impressionable men who might have been watching at the time would have been more.
And so you end up, because there was this constant messaging about, you know, men being rapists, being pedos, this, that and the next thing, men watching that would have had an associative guilt, even though, They're not, but there would have been an associative guilt and somehow responsible for some of that.
You know?
And that is part of driving the individual and the mass psyche into subservience.
Sorry.
Isn't it interesting that I'm going to make an elaborate point here, but it will make sense by the time I get to the end.
Do you watch TV at all?
Sometimes.
Okay.
So I have my one remaining normie job as a TV critic.
I write a TV review once a fortnight for The Spectator, which is my last job in normieland.
And I'm always looking around for stuff to watch.
And most of it, the messaging is so blatant once you're awake that it becomes impossible to watch TV.
Anyway, Netflix, which was founded by the nephew of Edward Bernays, the guy who invented propaganda, it's clearly a brainwashing organisation, as all the TV stations are, as is Hollywood, of course.
Netflix has currently got this rather good series on called The Feminine.
It's based on an Alan Alder movie from the early 1980s.
And there's a very well-observed scene where it's about these old friends, probably about more or less our age.
And they see each other again, you know, once or twice a year.
And we meet them at different places in the course of The Four Seasons over a year.
And one of the guys is, we meet him at the beginning, and he's on the verge of splitting up from his wife.
They just, you know, they can't get together sexually anymore.
And this guy's got money, and he doesn't want to be shackled to this woman that he no longer really finds exciting.
So he gets a younger wife.
And there are all the awkwardness, or younger girlfriend, and there are all the awkwardnesses of having a 30-something wife.
A girlfriend with a 50-something group of friends and their different cultural values.
And there's one really well-observed scene where they all go off skiing and the guy who's got the new 30-something girlfriend, he meets her friends.
And they're all kind of vegans.
They've got no sense of humour.
They don't drink.
And this episode is set on the ski slopes.
And so our 50-something guy is, you know, he's got all the kit and he can ski.
He can do, he likes going fast and it's fun.
These, the 30-somethings, they are absolutely useless.
They're doing the snow plows at best and they don't even like the idea of taking risk or being...
And I thought that was a really interesting bit of observation from the writers of this because the easy thing we would have done would have been to have the young people upstaging the older guy by being really good at snowboarding and stuff and cool and fast.
But no, our generation is into risk and is into kind of traditional male things like Showing off and taking risks and not embarrassed about it.
But the new generation has been warped into these values which are not about courage.
Any form of individuality is seen as kind of showing off as a negative thing.
They don't have fun.
They don't have a sense of humour.
And I was thinking...
feeble class of men who are by no means fit for war, even if the powers that be wanted to fight them.
Very, very good breakdown there.
What we've got to remember, though, as well, is that we mimic, especially when we're younger, especially when we're a formative year, so up until mid-twenties, we mimic behaviours.
And so those young, non-risk-taking, vegan, non-alcohol drinking, not having fun, Type of figures.
They will be perceived by some of the youngsters watching it as to be normal behaviour.
As to be the behaviour they themselves should emulate.
And so there's this reflection.
It's like, in a way, breaking the fourth wall, if you like.
Quite subliminally.
you know, quite subconsciously.
But, I mean, You know, the American sitcom friends.
They do the haircuts.
They do some of the mannerisms.
You know, and you're like...
You know, so what we do is we tend to mimic...
in the formative years, we tend to mimic behaviours that we see.
And then those behaviours start to become normalised.
Would it matter if...
you know these kind of metrosexuals were capable of fighting in a war well not really because the end the end goal One of the points is just to simply colours, I believe.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, so it wouldn't.
And of course, I'm going to say, Scotland is completely saturated.
We are going to be cold.
Mainstream media, as you would expect.
Yeah.
But all the platforms are saturated with these kind of pied pipers who are batting people's emotions off one another to get us at each other's strokes.
But they all lead.
You know, the kind of Scottish narrative, as it were.
And one of the narratives that's been hammered up here is the misogynistic hate crime.
Right?
Misogynistic hate crime.
And they're trying to, they've been trying to introduce that as legislation.
So that you can essentially accuse any guy of misogyny, you know, and he could potentially become criminalised.
You know?
So, you've mentioned the military industrial complex as a phrase, as a turn of phrase.
You may well have heard of the prison industrial complex in the States.
Have you heard that term?
Prison industrial complex?
Prison industrial complex?
Yeah.
I tell you what, it makes a lot of sense in the context of that infamous story about the producer in the 1980s, the A&R guy, who had a meeting of label heads in Los Angeles.
So what I was just saying earlier, they're going to mimic it.
We're going to invent this new genre.
I believe, and there's another model, and I did a number of models for the book, and they're in there.
Prison, military, industrial complex.
So there's no separation between the two.
It's not just a prison complex or just a military complex.
It's the both.
And so for men, the options are if you'd had this emotion, this turmoil going on and we were at war and we were at, you know, martial law being introduced, national emergency, martial law being introduced, and you'd have these similar kind of gang press.
Type agents coming around trying to force people to join up.
So that would have been, as in Ukraine, as has been happening in Ukraine.
But for those who would not, who would refuse, who either wouldn't buy into the patriotism of it all or refuse to be guilt shamed through the Me Too matrix kind of propaganda narrative and all that sort of stuff, well then...
You imprison them.
Instead of sending them to the front, you imprison them.
I mean, not your metric, but you're more kind of red-blooded, shall we say, your typical kind of, you know, I guess our generation and, you know, younger generations.
There's a lot of hard boys out there as well, you know, of younger generations.
Take that threat away.
And that's the thing.
It's the men.
It's the men that have the key to the streets, right?
Every dictator still today, no matter what the technology that we have, every dictatorship, as Goebbels said, is ruled from the streets.
You've got to own the streets, right?
And it's the men who are the key to owning the streets.
It's the men, right?
What you need to do is to create such a hostile environment for men that they seek their refuge in your ideology.
And that's why the Orwellian right, so the Orwellian left, demonises and dehumanises men only for their partners working on the Orwellian right, the same party, the same billionaire construct, working together for the right wing to act as the saviours.
Of, you know, men and the family unit, you know, traditional values.
So what happens is you get the sentiment being channeled towards the right by, you know, for men in particular, for young men in particular to go towards the right.
And they'll be more amenable to then to, you know, signing up, to, you know, joining up.
However, for those that are a bit more reluctant, You've got a final push for the threat of imprisonment through an accusation of toxic masculinity, if they ever did get that legislation into effect.
But also, you know, any false accusation would actually do the trick in that kind of world.
Yeah, so prison or military.
If you're no use to the system, then obviously you go to prison or you go into the military to go and get killed.
Whereas if you are deemed of use to the system, then you would be kept back here for domestic purposes, to be the police on the streets.
Oh, look, it crashed.
Let's, let's, Johnny, I've loved talking to you.
I'm not going to risk any more chaos with our respective internets.
Tell us where we can read your...
Really interesting.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Where can we find you?
Where can we read your stuff?
Gaslightinggilligan.com And as I say, the book itself, free download, dystopian fiction, I've taglined it, A Paradigm Shift in the Meaning of Domestic Abuse and the Atlantic Bridge to 1984.
And so essentially where, you know, 1984 starts off as a rubble druid, what Gaslighting Gilligan does is take you on a journey to help you understand how the propaganda works.
To arrive in 1984, as it were.
Also, Gas Gilligan on Twitter, just G-A-S Gilligan on Twitter.
I, and I'm being severely shadow banned, have been for years, so sometimes, even if you follow me, they might have to come and actually look for my content.
That is an indication that you're not talking total rubbish.
Well, exactly.
Even if it does sound a bit out there, they see the logic of it in terms of bringing this entire construct together.
If only they'd just leave us alone.
Wouldn't it be nice?
That's not how hierarchies work, you know?
Those that sit at the top of the hierarchy need to feel their power.
They need to wager it over us.
It's just human beings, just the human condition.
Fair enough.
Yeah, you're right, of course.
If you enjoyed this podcast, how could you not have done?
I most certainly haven't because we've got to talk about...
I've been able to talk about...
Because, you know, when I'm on with Rick, and I'm grateful Rick Munn had me on, And also very grateful that Sonia Pilton's had me on.
But it's fairly, there's only so much information you can get in in 15 minutes and a half an hour.
They've got a different one.
Yeah, whereas we've been able to have a good old chat and I've been able to explain some of my kind of wider perspectives.
Now, you're a good thinker, Johnny.
I really have enjoyed this chat.
Oh, I should have mentioned this.
I'm really sorry.
Operation Yellowhammer.
Are you aware of Operation Yellowhammer?
No.
Oh, this is my bad, I should have mentioned.
Back end of 2018, October 2018, UK government brought out Operation Yellowhammer.
It was the HM Treasury's essentially militarisation plan to support hard Brexit.
So they've already indicated.
That they have an intention, they have a plan to militarise Brexit.
Alright?
My argument, because I've been looking at it from the gaslighting perspective that I knew they had to militarise, when they formalised that, if you like, with the inadvertently revealed Operation Yellowhammer, it was basically taken by a document taken by a photographer in the street, I believe running about Whitehall somewhere.
It basically outlined Well, it was a very kind of whitewashed version of what's actually to take place.
But my argument was, if you're the establishment, the party, the whatever, who are coordinating this chaos, this prospective chaos, and you then militarise it, that's not you supporting democracy, that's you overthrowing democracy.
You are the cause and you're also the arsonist and the firefighter.
So we're yet again in a problem-reaction-solution situation.
I think that Keir Starmer is serving the function that incontinent buffoon Biden did in the US.
When Keir Starmer talks about trying to undo Brexit and then the Daily Mail says, Keir Starmer is trying to stop Brexit happening, you know, he's trying to blah, blah, blah.
This is all designed to whip up the populace into, to get them ready for the fascist stage where the Trump wannabe Farage comes in and, yeah.
Absolutely.
So operate, that's why, I'm really sorry I didn't mention this earlier on.
I should have done.
That's why when I say about the prospect of militarisation is very real, and it's not just my hypothesis, it's actually a formal plan by the UK government that the Labour intend to fully see through as well.
Okay.
Yeah, no, I...
Thank you.
I've loved being on and I'm very grateful that you've had me on.
Thank you.
Gladly come back.
People will love you.
Well, let's have you back.
People will love you and you're talking a lot of sense, so thank you.
Thank you for being a different voice that I've never come across before.
And everyone who likes this podcast, don't forget, I depend on your...
I really do.
And it's getting quite tough.
There's a lot of competition in the market, but I think some of you do recognise that I kind of am the best podcast in the business.
So, you know, put your money where it's going to be well spent.
I can't do this stuff for free.
Not really.
I mean, a lot of you do get it for free.
And thank you for those who do support me.
It makes all the difference.
Well, the difference between me existing and me not existing.
So thank you.
Thank you again, Johnny McNeil, Gaslighting, Gilligan.
