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Welcome back to the Delling Pod, Matt Landman.
Mr Frankenskies.
How long has it been since we last spoke?
It's been great.
I've managed to come over to England and London since we've spoken and gotten to know the city and the people there.
And I'm quite in love with England, actually, as a matter of fact.
And things are coming together in my activist life, so I can't complain.
Thank you for asking.
How about you?
How have you been?
Yeah, I've obviously gone more and more deeply down into the rabbit hole.
I think it's what happens to you if you're relentlessly curious.
And I've probably...
I guess I would have lost a few listeners on the way as they think, well, I'm not going to go down that particular...
Chemtrails is actually a good example.
Chemtrails really divides even the awake.
Community, do you not find?
Oh, yeah.
Well, believe me, you, being the chemtrail guy, I have found it is...
Pretty controversial, but definitely there's other things that can ruffle people's feathers even further.
So I actually see chemtrails as a uniting factor.
It's something that we can all come together and bond over.
And given that it seems to be this beautiful gateway drug to further truths, I see...
Chemtrails as a frequency.
As you elevate to that vibration of truth, where chemtrails reside, and as you open your heart and mind and soul to the idea that this is ongoing, to the truth, the reality that it is ongoing, then other truths can become self-evident.
You know, a lot of people have this, oh, the government wouldn't do this to me, or something like that in the back of their head.
But once they can get past the fact that the sky is tampered with daily and that our air is being tampered with daily, Then, you know, all these other things can become more self-evident.
The bigger lies can be exposed as well.
So you're...
That's quite an unusual thesis.
You're saying that chemtrails can be a kind of entry level, an entry point, a sort of gateway drug to all the other conspiracies.
Whereas in my view, lots of people who...
They got that COVID was a scam.
They got that...
That vaccines were kill shots.
Maybe some of them got that we were being lied to about the war in Ukraine.
Maybe the sophisticated ones got to we were lied to about Gaza as well.
And they're down with the moon landings being fake and they're down with 9-11 being an inside job.
But maybe things have changed in the last year.
Maybe it's all thanks to your work.
But chemtrails still seem to be one of those things that people can't quite accept, even those of a kind of a tinfoil hat persuasion, because I think some of the barriers to their accepting this are how could they do this on such a scale?
How could nobody sort of catch them out and stop them doing it?
For this to be going on, there would have to be so many people in authority, complicitous in this scheme.
That's what people can't accept.
Like, planes in the sky, spraying every day, spraying all over the country.
Where are the aviation authorities?
Where are they?
Do you know what I mean?
People have this problem.
Oh, I do.
And it's all over the world.
And one of the biggest steps into recognition of truth is getting your ego in check.
And that's a big hurdle because the ego says, oh, I couldn't have been fooled to that degree.
You know, the ego says, oh, if this was going on, I would know about it.
And so would the rest of the world because there'd be so many players involved.
And you said it's being sprayed all over the whole country.
It's being sprayed over the whole world.
I mean, millions of...
Dollars spent on a daily basis to create problem-reaction-solution scenarios, to push the global warming narrative to then say we need geoengineering to save us from ourselves.
You know, this is all a layered puzzle piece to push us into technocracy.
Yeah.
And I think that...
I think one of the signs that chemtrails are real and a problem...
It's the extraordinary amount of effort they, whoever they are, put into sowing disinformation, causing disruption, all these sort of fake characters that appear in chat groups and on Twitter and so on, talking about contrails, saying, I'm an aviation expert and I can tell you, I used to fly planes and...
I can tell you.
I mean, you're familiar with them.
They're everywhere.
Well, the discernment is very much something that needs to be honed in on.
You cultivate the discernment slowly but surely.
You mentioned the moon landings in 9-11.
And as we start to resonate with the truths, eventually the lies just don't feel right in our gut.
And eventually we can see the trolls and the bots and the misinformation provocateurs and all those.
We can see them for what they are as we refine our instincts.
But to become a truther you have to kind of dive in and cultivate that gut discernment and then you can start to look at the sky and see it for yourself.
You don't need documentaries or books or whistleblowers.
All you need to do is to start having a discerning eye and heart and open mind and start looking at the sky really on a daily basis and eventually you'll see the truth for what it is.
I mean, everything you said is true, but I find it still doesn't work on a lot of people.
You know, I mean, there are...
I have loved ones that I can...
Well, every day I point out that this blanket of fog that we're experiencing every day, this white, relentless grey-white cloud that went on the whole of the winter, I try and say, well, this is not normal.
And the reply I get is, but it's winter.
We always have dull days.
And it's very hard to persuade somebody that what's happening is not normal if they're committed to believing that everything is normal.
Well, not everyone is ready to wake up, and that's true.
But people really are across the world.
There's a mass awakening, especially in the UK.
The time now, I feel, is to kind of gather the tribes and gather the people who are aware and to give them the tools necessary to meet their friends, family, and peers where they're at, to plant those seeds of truth.
But definitely, I've got friends and family members who aren't quite ready.
And I just pick my battles and move on to the people who are ready because there's so many people either on the fence or ready to join the tribe and rally for the truth.
And that's why I'm setting up.
And having, on the 21st June, we're having a summer solstice rally in London to bring together the people who are already aware to show the world how many people are aware and awake.
Because sometimes people just need that nudge to see how many people are on the side of truth and then think to themselves, oh, that's not just a little minority of nutters.
This is a mass awakening of awareness and maybe I do need to tilt my head up once in a while and look at the sky for what it is, you know?
I will say...
Matt, not wishing to rain on your parade because I think it's a worthy venture.
But I went on quite a lot of the marches through London to protest against whatever it was, lockdown and compulsory vaccines and all the stuff they were trying to inflict on us.
There were really big crowds, really, really big crowds marching through the streets.
And it got no media pickup whatsoever.
There was a blanket denial from organisations like the BBC.
They might have said there was a tiny demonstration, but it wasn't on the scale, of course, of really important things like Black Lives Matter.
Well, of course, in fact, it was way, way bigger than anything that Black Lives Matter produced, certainly in this country.
And we're up against a...
A system that wants to kind of have us mocked and marginalized and, well, ignored, ultimately.
Oh, well, to answer that question, so what I see is, for one, coming together during the lockdowns was very important for people to find the solidarity and to find their people and to know that they're not alone, even if it didn't hit the BBC.
People realized, I'm not alone in this.
And maybe they brought a friend to the rallies who might be on the fence or what have you.
And then they saw their people and met their people and realized, I'm not alone.
Maybe got resources or telegram links or whatever it may be.
They found some of their tribe.
And still, that momentum is still happening.
So regarding the chemtrails, people think, you know, nothing can be done.
And, you know, what's holding a rally going to do and what have you.
So let's back up about 20 years when nobody knew anything about Monsanto or GMO foods.
Because there was a time when Monsanto was getting its ugly claws in our food supply and no one knew about it.
Activists got involved.
And these are moms and, you know, just normal people who were worried about their children and their food and their food security and the future of humanity.
And so they started to come together in small groups.
And first it was just people whispering and, you know, Dark rooms or whatever.
But eventually, they came together and on March, I'm sorry, May 25th, 2013, March Against Monsanto was formed.
And they came together in 400 simultaneous cities and did the March Against Monsanto across the world.
Then each year, every March, or every May, there was a march.
And every single year March against Monsanto came together to raise the alarm and now after years or even over a decade of these rallies and continued pressure There's labels at the store.
There's legislation.
They hit the 100th monkey, and now GMO and Monsanto is a word.
People know about it.
People talk about it.
There's non-GMO or GMO-free labels on food when I go to the grocery store, and I have the power of choice.
Even my barcodes at the grocery store, if it begins with a 9, it's organic.
If it begins with a 4, it's conventional.
This issue came to the light and in the public eye and now the mainstream even knows about it.
GMO, terminator seeds, glyphosate, Roundup is toxic and gives people cancer.
It's been proven in the court of law.
Chemtrails is just like that.
Just like the frankenfood, the frankenskies will reach its hundredth monkey, but it starts with having these difficult conversations, having these rallies, putting the pressure on, and summer solstice is the perfect day to rally together because it's the longest day of sunshine of the year, and the powers that be have launched these solar...
Geoengineering sun dimming campaigns and they're trying to block out the sun through solar geoengineering and so we're coming together in the longest day of the year to show and honor and show how much we care about the sun.
To bring together the people who already are aware, to give them the resources and tools to spread that.
And we'll make it an annual event so people can come together every single year and build that momentum so we can hit that 100th monkey and Chemtrails can be something that people can talk about without being shunned and called conspiracy nutters.
Because it is finding its way out of the dark.
I think the lockdowns did a really good job at helping people wake up to this.
By taking away people's livelihood and having them be able to sit at home and watch the movie Franken-Skies and have these hard conversations and look at the skies and what have you and even the toxic fog that I know you all got as well a few months ago.
People are starting to really ask these important questions and ask what they can do.
And people are reaching out to me all over the UK, Wales, Scotland, all over England, and there's groups forming, and there is a momentum surrounding this issue exactly.
I think that the more that the evil shows itself and engineers hurricanes and makes floods and puts on fires and what have you, and all the while the powers that be could use their tools to put out the fires.
To alleviate drought, to alleviate these situations that they're creating in their problem-reaction-solution scenario, but instead they're exacerbating problems and creating wind over fires and creating extreme storms or even more drought-stricken situations when they could be creating curative measures with their technology.
People are then realizing that it is a nefarious agenda and that the awareness needs to be there, and people are rallying to the occasion.
One thing that I found really ironic is there is A chemtrail program in the UK.
Acronym SATAN.
S-A-T-A-N.
The Stratospheric Aerosol Transport and Nucleation Program.
It's a public geoengineering program out of the United Kingdom.
And they just happen to give it the acronym S-A-T-A-N.
As you would.
Doesn't stand for anything of any significance.
No, no, no.
So, well, you've actually led me towards my next question.
You must have discovered lots of new stuff since we last spoke.
And I'm hoping that you've become even more of an expert-y expert on this crazy stuff than the last time.
Because there are all sorts of things that puzzle me, and I think a lot of people who look at the skies and see it's not natural and stuff.
For example, I don't know whether you're aware, England, at the time of recording this, we've had a bizarrely long period of blue skies, of clear skies, which we haven't seen, by weird coincidence, since the lockdown era.
During lockdown, they gave us some really nice weather.
And for some reason, we've had quite a lot of sun, and it's been amazing.
People's mood has changed.
People become so much happier when they've got normal, as you might call it, weather.
And I got into an argument with somebody on my Telegram channel, and he said, well, I refuse to believe that all the weather is controlled.
He seemed to believe that this nice weather we're getting is somehow just a bit of natural weather creeping through, and that it hasn't been...
It hasn't been sort of created or ordained by the powers that be.
Whereas I think my argument is that they've probably been able to control the weather and have been controlling the weather for most of our lives.
They've just ramped it up a bit.
Well, yeah, the patents go all the way back to the 1890s, and the tools that they've created to engineer the weather have been perfected over the decades, and come the mid-90s when people started to really see the persistent linear Cirrus cloud formations or the lingering contrail formations or the geoengineering chemtrails, whatever you want to call it, then the weather engineering and control really ramped up.
Nowadays...
Every single day, whatever you see in the sky, it's because the weather engineers gave you that.
They chose to do that.
Where I live, on the west coast of the United States, when we get sun during the spring and summer, it's usually in between days where they're clearing the sky so that they can mix their chemicals together proper.
But also...
They like to dry things up when they're creating fire conditions.
And I've noticed that the script has kind of flipped in the UK.
Last year I was over there and people said they hadn't seen The Sun for like 20 weeks, you know?
Which was really taking the piss when the Met Office came out and said it was the hottest June on record and no one had seen The Sun at all.
Which I think that really woke some people up.
So maybe that's another reason why they're flipping the script.
But one...
The tool that they have in their tool belt is creating chaos with fires.
So where I live, they're spraying the aluminum oxide, the barium salts.
These are patented fire accelerants.
And this rabbit hole goes pretty deep because they're spraying patented fire accelerants on our forests.
Then what happens is the aluminum, it gets in the tree and it disrupts their biology and messes with the tree's immune system.
It disrupts the tree's ability to uptake water.
So the trees are drought-stricken from within, even if they're on a stream and they're right next to the water source, they can't uptake the water.
So their immune system gets broken down, they become drought-stricken, and then they can be taken over by viruses and bacteria, molds, funguses, beetles.
Pests and what have you.
Also, the aluminum in the soil messes with the microbiology of the soil, makes the soil really alkaline.
And then that also impacts the trees and what have you.
And the aluminum is a desiccant.
It actually dries things out.
So I believe when they clear the sky and you see these shorter trails, they're actually just spraying their fire accelerants because the agenda...
In the West Coast, where I live, in the United States, has always been to create these fires and have these fire conditions.
It used to be just this very short window of a couple months of a fire season.
Now, after we saw Lahaina Maui burn and Los Angeles recently had their fires in Palisades and what have you, the fire season has been extended to be basically year-round.
And this is creating this scenario.
Where the media gets something to latch onto, and it's very fear-based.
Everyone claims it's climate change and global warming causing these problems.
Whereas the fire accelerants are being laid on the forest, precipitated lightning or even hiring arsons on the ground or whatever, starting these fires.
And then they create extreme wind conditions on the fires to exacerbate the fires instead of making rain on the fires, which they can do.
Patents go back to the 1800s.
If you watch my movie, Frankenskies, which is available for free online, frankenskies.com, please check it out.
When we get to the 1960s and the U.S. military industrial complex is making it flood in Vietnam for five straight years as a weather war tactic, and the whole world found out, and the U.N. had to come together and ban weather warfare as a war play, then the world realized that this was...
A weapon that could be utilized.
Now that information has been swept under the rug.
But what I think is happening where you live is things are being dried out, and the desiccant fire accelerants are being sprayed, and you're going to see more fires.
I know there's been some fires over there, but likely we'll see more and more because I'm seeing it in the media as well, that the UK is at fire risk, and, you know, the fires are because of global warming and because of the carbon problem, and, you know, this is...
Further to push people into the net-zero smart city dystopia, basically.
So I think whereas creating a fog layer over England was bad for the crops and bad for the people's energy levels and whatnot, creating fires can really wreak some havoc.
And that script has been very popular in the United States, but not so much in the UK.
But because the New World Order governments are all...
Under the same umbrella, I think that they've kind of, like I said, flipped the script in the UK to be able to create extreme fire conditions to be able to further push their agenda faster.
You know, no better way to clear people out if their entire town is turned to dust and then their only option is to move into a smart city, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, that sort of clearance has been going on, hasn't it?
Lehena and Palisades.
I mean, that was clearly...
A move by the people who wanted to kind of get rid of all these nice old Victorian-era houses in the Palisades area and replace them with, what, sort of 15-minute cities ultimately, I suppose.
Well, what's going to happen in Palisades is there's a lot of celebrities living there.
And once they build this back up into a smart city...
You better believe those celebrities who, you know, show the world how to be.
They lead the world with this, you know, carrot on a string kind of thing.
And what the celebrities will do is they'll say, oh, the fires were because of climate change and global warming and carbon.
And now we have this carbon-based social credit system.
You're welcome.
We're being good citizens by riding our bikes today and not eating bananas or bananas, as you all say.
They come from so far away.
There's a big carbon footprint.
We don't drink our cappuccinos because they come from so far away, but the cricket factory is right down the street, so we're eating our crickets.
Because we ate our crickets, we get social credit score points.
Because we didn't eat our banana and didn't drive today, that creates this Coolness makes it a fad, the social credit system, because as you may know, in Australia already, they're testing carbon labeling on all the foods.
So all the foods have a carbon label.
And you better believe, and I don't like to be predicting bad things or to be like a Debbie Downer or anything like that, but I do read the writing on the wall and can see the elephant in the room.
And the last lockdown seemed to be sort of a test run.
And I hate to say...
Most likely.
I mean, like, if I was in charge and I was evil, I would do another set of lockdowns coming up, but roll out this AI and have everyone that's locked in their homes get obsessed with AI as a friend.
People are so lonely last lockdowns, and now they'll have ChatGPT as their best friend, and, you know, they'll have all this other stuff which will push this technocracy, but when we come out of the next version of lockdowns, I can only imagine it'll be a lot different.
Most likely...
Social credit kind of carbon scores for everything because of the lie that is the carbon-created global warming climate change.
I never thought, like 10 years ago when I dove in and devoted my life to exposing chemtrails, geoengineering, weather, warfare, all of that, I never would have imagined that this would be the critical lie that held up...
All the other lies.
Because once you start to grasp that the problems are being created with weather warfare and geoengineering to push the scenario that we need to accept ULEZ and 15 Minute Cities and Net Zero and all that comes with it, which is technocracy.
It's being monitored all the time and being calculated how much our carbon score is and all that what have you, the social credit score.
All of this is contingent on people Yeah, and the floods are being created, that the dams are being removed and then the cities are being flooded on purpose to push these scenarios, that is the spark that triggers the mass awakening where people stand up and say no to all this.
it's very interesting.
A few years ago, I wrote this, over 10 years ago, I wrote a book about the great climate change bollocks thing.
And I spent about 10 years in the climate trenches fighting the climate wars, you know, as a rare climate denier, as we were known.
The missing link, the thing that I never appreciated, none of us did, none of the resistance did, because we never imagined that the enemy could be quite so evil.
None of us realised that global warming is real, and it is man-made, but the man-made element comes from incredibly rich, evil people.
Funding various programmes designed to create the extreme weather events which push their narrative.
That was the thing I hadn't realised.
And you know, all these, there were sort of various worthy groups in the US and in the UK which are dedicated to talking sensibly about climate change and about the measures being imposed on us to deal with this.
Non-existent problem.
But you'll never get this element of the resistance, which I think is actually a co-opted element of the resistance, talking about the real scandal, which is chemtrails, Nexrad, HAARP.
In fact, maybe you could tell me a bit of...
I think a lot of people are puzzled, even people who are willing to believe that they are tinkering with our weather.
They don't really understand how it works.
What does Nextrad do?
What does HARP do?
What's the connection with that and Chemtrails?
How does it work?
That's a great question, James.
And as activists and truth seekers, we want to know the who, what, why, where, when, how, because first...
It's hard to wake up to something if you don't have all the puzzle pieces.
But then, when we start to try to convey it to our friends, families, and peers, they ask us questions.
Pertinent, important questions.
And if we can't answer them, especially within a logic, you know, simple, short answer...
That makes sense to them.
Then they'll just put us back in the realm of conspiracy nutter, you know?
And some of the answers are a little bit complex and out there.
And you have to open up your heart and mind to the idea that this is a massive, elaborate conspiracy that's been going on for quite some time.
So you kind of have to have a spiritual side, you know?
Like, why would they do that?
And for what reason would they have all this?
But the how, it's very important and complex and interesting.
Metallics are being sprayed in the atmosphere.
And this has been perfected over some time.
That's why it's important to watch Franken-Skies the movie to have the introductory piece because it's a historical chronological timeline of how we got to where we're at.
It starts in the 1920s.
And the movie came out in 2017.
So it goes through the whole chronology of 1920s with military stock footage showing you how they sharpened their tools and their arsenal for the weather engineering and what have you to modern day.
The spraying of atmospheric aerosols from jets is the primary basis of it all.
So they spray, and don't let the word they trigger you, you know, the military-industrial complex, the Department of Energy, NASA, you know, all these different players involved, you know, we could get into that.
But the they, they spray different chemical constituents that have been separated.
So we've got aluminum, we've got barium, we've got strontium, different chemicals being sprayed.
Differently, like from different jets, from drones primarily.
And they look different.
Some of them are shorter trails, some of them are medium, and some of them are longer.
And if you keep your eyes to the sky, you'll see them side by side mixing different constituents together that look different.
Even though they're the same altitude, and they look like they should be emitting similar trails, some are very short, some are very long.
They're mixing chemicals in the sky.
So to get the chemicals to mix together proper and to stay in the sky, they microwave them.
They heat them up.
So it's like putting aluminum in the microwave that something happens there, right?
There's a reaction.
So they'll spray aluminum oxide, then they'll spray barium salts side by side, and as these unravel into a milky haze, you can witness it if you keep your eye to the sky, the haze unravels, and then when they turn on the microwave stations, you'll see this ripple in the sky, and that is indicative of the frequencies zapping the...
Aluminium and what have you, and heating them up.
Go ahead and I'll elaborate.
Yes, so where are the microwaves coming from?
So there's ground-based stations.
When the technology first was introduced, it was from HAARP, which is an acronym for Highly Active Aurora Research Program.
And this is a football field of antennas, like 30 meters tall.
Each antenna of like 70 antennas.
30 meters tall, and this is in Alaska.
And this field of antennas can pick a focal point in the atmosphere and microwave it with intersecting microwaves.
So if you put something in the microwave oven, it heats up.
But how?
On either side of the food, there's radio waves, micro-sized radio waves, being blasted on the food, and they're intersecting each other.
And as these two microwave radio waves Hit each other in the focal point.
That's the food.
The water in the food oscillates.
So you've got intersecting microwaves in the food oscillating and heating up the water in the food.
That's how you put something in the microwave.
It gets heated up.
So in the atmosphere, you've got microwaves coming from opposite directions clashing and heating up and oscillating the aluminum, basically, and heating up the metal in the skies.
You can create a heat wave or create a high-pressure bubble.
Or like where I live, we've got a jet stream that runs across the United States.
It comes over the Pacific and runs all the way to the Atlantic Ocean across the transcontinental United States.
And that jet stream is called the Atmospheric River, and it brings all of the weather patterns to the United States.
You can create a big, high-pressure bubble by superheating...
A big, massive chemtrails and create a big bubble that the jet stream will hit and have to go around because you've created a high-pressure heat bubble, right?
Also, you can create drought by making it so that rain can't go to a situation or a certain area, or you can create heat waves with this technology.
Now, the HARP technology that was in Alaska Utilizing radio waves and shooting them in the atmosphere and having them intersect at a focal point.
The focal point can be like miles or kilometers wide, right?
But it's shooting up microwaves in the sky that hit the aerosols that were deployed.
So they're working in tandem with one another.
Now, this technology has been shrunk down.
And people say, oh, HARP's a conspiracy.
If you watch my movie Franken-Skies, there's a congressional panel.
Like, they're meeting in Congress.
So politicians are coming together and meeting, and they're talking about, what are we going to do with HAARP now?
And they say, oh, well, DARPA's done with HAARP, and we're going to pass it on to the university.
We've utilized it to the extent that we can, and now we're going to pass it on.
And this is like in 2015 or something like that, right?
So the technology that HAARP was of a football field of antennas, that was shrunk down into these large...
Soccer ball looking like, you guys call them footballs, but I don't want to confuse people.
These large golf balls.
Golf balls, yeah.
Yeah, these big white golf ball looking things called Nexrad.
And so inside the golf ball is, which you'll see them sometimes on ships or on a hillside somewhere.
They're actually all over the world now.
And inside there are like radar looking antennas.
And they can use those to blast the sky with these radio waves.
And so they'll have the technologies on the ground base station.
Some of them can even be mobile.
And so they can have them on an aircraft carrier go into the ocean and superheat a part of the sky to create a hurricane, what have you.
They figure out how to do that.
And then also on the ground, all over the world.
So this is like, first of all, people have to realize that this is a very complex and very well-funded and very well-planned It's been going on for some time.
And now that the technology has been shrunk down into these Nexrad golf ball situations, they're on mountainsides.
Where I live in Ashland, Oregon, I can go outside and look up to Mount Ashland, the big mountain here, and there is one right here where I live.
And they use these.
In conjunction with one another to blast the sky with the radio waves to have that intersecting radio wave situation where they can heat the sky and steer weather systems or create clashing systems where they create high winds or even tornadoes, hurricanes, even thunderstorms.
So to create a hurricane or a tornado, you just have high and low pressure clashing together.
So you create a high pressure system where you already know there's a low pressure system coming in.
You have them clash together and then you have this spinning effect where you create these storms and whatnot.
The patents go all the way back to the 1890s.
So, in your view, when did we last have natural weather?
That's a great question.
And surely there's days where they're taking a day off and they just let the natural systems go through.
So here and there we will have natural systems.
But you better believe if the sky is clear and you don't hardly see...
And this is actually a big wake-up call for people.
When there's a nice clear day and there's fluffy clouds, look in the sky at the planes.
There's not nearly as many planes in the sky as when they're doing things, when they're messing with the weather.
When they're messing with it and they're doing things, there's zigzagging and exits and triangles and even circles.
They're doing so much on those days.
So people say, oh no, that's just atmospheric conditions.
Then how come on specific, unique, rare atmospheric condition days, there's an irregular uptick in air traffic?
It's a statistical anomaly.
And how come there's a statistical anomaly?
Every day that there's the persistent linear Sears cloud formations, the persisting contrails.
It doesn't make sense logically that on the days that they're clear, there's no planes in the sky.
Why would clear days not have planes in the sky?
For people over London, it's kind of hard.
There's air traffic all the time.
A lot of these realizations and awakenings have to happen.
Maybe not on your home turf.
I live out in the country.
It's so easy and obvious for me to see the writing on the wall.
But for everyone, it's not necessarily that clear.
So I encourage you to really keep your eye on the sky and maybe do some traveling if you want to see different perspectives and what have you.
When was the weather natural?
Like, regularly?
Yeah.
In the 80s.
People can't even find tic-tac-toe board skies in their family photos back in the 70s and 80s.
In the mid-90s.
Very rarely people started seeing the grid patterns in the sky and started asking questions.
Come 9-11, the weather really started getting taken over.
And in March of 2001, right before 9-11, there was a document released by the Department of Energy in the United States.
And this is dirty coal burning power plants.
This is oil.
The Department of Energy is coal, oil, dirty energy, essentially.
I mean, yeah, they have some nuclear plants and what have you, but essentially we're talking about the bad guys, ExxonMobil and all that.
They created a tropospheric aerosol program and launched it in 2001.
And it's like people scratch their head, well, why would the Department of Energy have a tropospheric aerosol program?
Spraying program, a chemtrail program, because the problem-reaction-solution scenario creates an opportunity for them to have the solution to the problem that they're pointing the finger at themselves.
The problem that they're not actually creating, but saying that they're creating while creating the problem.
So this is complex.
So the world will say, "Oh, it was oil and coal that created global warming." That's not true.
It's their program that's spraying the aerosols and making the aluminum in the sky and microwaving it and creating these heat waves.
That's the real global warming.
But the media, which is controlled, and they're all in each other's pockets, the media will say, oh, it's your fault, people, for driving your cars and exhaling carbon dioxide.
And the reaction is fear.
And the solution is already there being built up by the Department of Energy and NASA and the military-industrial complex So the program is being perfected and actually is creating this situation all the while we are just being fed a bunch of fear-mongering and then they have this perfect little solution for us which is solar geoengineering, dimming your sun to save you from yourselves.
Whereas people are so spun out not realizing because of all the fear and the media.
And I mean, even after the lockdowns, like still 10-20% of the people are still inundated with fear and won't even leave the house without a face diaper, which blows my mind.
But literally the cognitive dissonance is real and the intuition and cognitive understanding is under attack and people's discernment is literally under attack.
But a lot of people are waking up and seeing what's actually going on, which is a problem is being created to push people into this technocratic control state.
This seems...
I've noticed there seems to be a lot more violent wind than there used to be.
Is that part of the ramping up of this?
Why is wind so important to them?
Well, wind is...
One of the biggest pieces of their puzzles.
So if we go back to Lahaina Maui or Palisades, Los Angeles, these high winds are created and they make them directional even.
And then downwind of these cities that they want to clear out for a smart city or what have you.
And this is happening all over.
We've got Paradise, California.
We've got Jasper, Alberta, which is in Canada.
There's Litten.
British Columbia got wiped off the map.
Santa Rosa, California.
Talent in Phoenix, Oregon.
And the script continues on.
There's places that will pull the insurance and say, oh, we won't have insurance for fire anymore.
And then all of a sudden that town's on fire a few months later.
I believe this big city of Phoenix, Arizona, is likely up for grabs soon.
And these are full-on land grabs.
And then it's like, how could they possibly build these smart cities and create this dystopia?
Making high winds is one of the biggest puzzle pieces of their agenda.
So they will create these fire situations, like I said, like spraying desiccants, spraying fire accelerants, making the trees drought-stricken and ready to go up in flames.
But the winds are pivotal because they will make fires and then steer the fires and exacerbate them with the winds.
If you're a firefighter...
And there's 60 mile per hour or 100 mile per hour like hurricane force winds.
There's nothing that you can do.
You actually have to take a break and just wait for the winds to calm down because the firefighters can't do anything about these fires when the winds are hitting them like that.
So the fires will be steered by the wind into the city like Lahaina, Maui.
Like what happened in Lahaina is fires were lit and then the winds blew the fire into the cities.
And then also...
A big puzzle piece, which I was interviewing a firefighter and came to the conclusion that there are, in the smart meters on all these homes, there's these lithium-ion batteries, same that are in these Teslas that are exploding on the side of the road.
The fires can't be put out.
So you've got these incendiaries on the side of each home that when the fires approach...
These lithium ion batteries have a thing called thermal runaway, where once they hit 140 degrees Fahrenheit, sorry, I'm going to speak in Fahrenheit, they ramp up to 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit in just a few seconds.
So on the side of each home, where the wiring is conductive and convective and goes throughout the entire home, you've got a smart meter that can fry and surge the electricity and heat up to 4,000 degrees and superheat the inside of the home.
So you've got electrical fires and Smart meter fires on the side of each house that are basically pulverizing the homes from the inside out.
And then also the winds are blowing the fires through the neighborhoods.
So not just the fires, they're not just natural and they're not just aided by the chemtrail constituents, but also the smart meters inside of the homes are adding to the problem and helping clear out these neighborhoods.
But the winds are so pivotal because...
If they weren't there, the fires could then just be put out very easily.
And if they weren't there, they wouldn't be steering the fires into these places that they want to clear out.
So having the high winds makes the firefighters not be able to do their job, and then it actually will steer the winds to the places that they want to clear out for the smart cities.
And everyone just scratches their head and says, oh, how ironic.
Mother Nature just went over there and cleared out another place that was slated to become a smart city.
But if we have retrospect, or if we can look back on this with an open eye or an open heart, we'll see that all of these places will become smart cities that people will be then pushed into in this 15-minute city agenda, and each place had to get cleared out first for this rebuild to happen, to have this technology put in to monitor people and to have this carbon credit, social credit system, black mirror kind of episode.
I think what's really clever about Mother Nature is that she actually knows when the insurance has been taken away, the fire insurance.
How clever is that?
Before she moves in.
It's unreal.
And what's happening is actually some places where like a fire, like in Paradise, California, and this is textbook agenda 2030.
The fires roll into a...
A community.
And then a few years later, there's fires again.
And then there's laws passed that these are now no-go zones where you can't even rebuild on your own property.
You're not going to get fire insurance.
You're not allowed to rebuild on your own property for your own safety.
You have to just get pushed into the city and not be able to go on these wide portions of land.
It's part of the rewilding agenda.
Some of the land is unsafe.
Some of the land is for the wolves or something now I'm seeing in the UK.
Oh, no, this land is for the wolves, so you can't live there anymore.
You've got to think about the wolves.
Restoring native waterways, you know, making cities that were there for hundreds of years, flood zones because the dams are removed.
The engineer weather is flooding these regions out, and they're like, oh, we just have to rewild this region.
Rewild means anti-human, means push the people into the cities to be controlled, but they can't say anti-human, so they say rewilding.
It sounds a lot kinder.
Yeah.
Where do directed energy weapons fit into all this?
Well, in my experience, I've come to learn that the directed energy weapons are The triggering of...
So this is going to get pretty cool and complex.
So in the Gaza genocide situation, we're witnessing unbelievable acts of horrid genocide, in my opinion.
And so when the military-industrial complex decided to go into Lebanon, the official narrative was that walkie-talkies were planted with...
And pagers, firstly.
Pagers had explosives implanted in them because they're intercepted in Istanbul like eight months prior, before the conflict even started.
That's complete bollocks, right?
That's absolute nonsense in my discernment, right?
But what I started to learn is all of these devices have lithium-ion batteries in them, okay?
If you're on your smartphone and you do, if it's like searching for signal, Or too much is going on.
You can feel that bad heat up just from too much action, too much use, right?
You could create, if you were, you know, the CIA or whoever is, you know...
It doesn't really matter what name we give them.
You could create a program to superheat these batteries inside of devices and have them explode.
It wouldn't be that difficult.
So once the information really started to surface out of Lebanon, it wasn't just the pagers.
It was cell phones, it was laptops, it was walkie-talkies, and it was solar-powered...
Stations on homes that have the big lithium ion battery stations.
So lithium ion batteries, through directed energy weapon technology, can be triggered to overheat and explode.
Okay?
So, I don't think it's actually like drones shooting lasers at each home and having them explode.
That's somewhat of a psyop.
But similarly, these...
So they have the smart meters designed that if you have a truck and you work for the power company, you can roll through the neighborhood, press a button, and it will communicate with microwaves to and from the smart meters and get their...
Reading off of it.
The idea of the smart meter is you don't have to have the meter made go up to the house and check the actual analog meter.
So they have a truck that can go through the neighborhood and press the button and get like a hundred or whatever of the neighborhood's data.
So that truck could easily be designed or a military craft, you know, could be an aircraft could be designed to engage with the smart meter to have it surge and overheat.
And then you have a weaponized neighborhood where all these smart meters are going up in flames and then surging electricity and heat into the conductive convective wiring in the home and you've got these internal electrical fires that the firemen can hardly get on top of.
And then to add insult to injury, these firemen in Lahaina and in Palisades, the firefighters show up and the water is off at the fire hydrants.
I don't know if you know about that.
So the water's off.
The wind is adding to the situation.
The firefighters have their hands tied when the water at the fire hydrants is literally turned off.
And that also happened in southern Oregon, where my town, Talent, in Phoenix, Oregon, went up in flames.
And 2,300 low-income homes were pulverized in the middle of the day.
And this was an obvious gentrification program because the low-income homes never got rebuilt.
The zip code doubled overnight.
And it's just another cleanup where they push out the poor and it's happening all over the world to then come in and rebuild smart cities and what have you.
But the directed energy weapon, like paint your house blue, that all seems to be a psyop and a distraction.
But it is layered with truth, just like all psyops, because the truth of the story is that these lithium-ion batteries are being triggered to surge while the fires approach, adding to the intensification of the fires.
Clearing out neighborhoods that they don't want.
And what's really fascinating about this is, so I'm on Facebook.
I've got 100,000 followers over there.
Please follow me, Matt Landman.
And I've got a lot of people reach out to me from different walks of life.
I have had people ex-military, two different ex-military Marines have contacted me with their...
Infrared military spec goggles and they filmed the smart meters in their neighborhood and what I've been shown is each smart meter actually has an IR indicator on it an IR designator which is an infrared Designation.
So it's actually a fingerprint.
So each smart meter has an infrared flicker that is unique to itself.
So if you know about lightning bugs, each lightning bug has its own individual flicker.
Even though there's like a million lightning bugs out in the field.
Each lightning bug has its own fingerprint.
And if you're a girl lightning bug and you want to go over to that guy lightning bug over there, you start flickering the exact same flicker.
And the other one does it.
And they come and meet each other.
Even though everyone's flickering a different flicker, they have their own unique fingerprint.
Each smart meter has its own unique fingerprint that is invisible to the naked eye, only picked up on military spec.
Goggles.
So this is wartime technology.
So if you're like in Afghanistan or whatever and you're a friendly, you have a helmet and it has an invisible flicker on it and that fingerprint says that you're friendly and to not get hit by a drone strike.
Also, if they're trying to hit a target, they'll put an infrared designator on it, give it a unique fingerprint that then the drone can do a laser strike and hit it with precision, right?
Like they can hit a dime in the middle of a whatever and take it out.
So they know where to hit, what not to hit.
And in the smart meter situation, each smart meter has its own fingerprint.
And so if they were using, in theory, if they were using these directed energy campaigns to surge these smart meters and explode houses and wipe out and clear out neighborhoods, if you were on the friendly list...
You'd be one of those houses with the fingerprint that didn't get the surging smart meter, and then you see afterwards in this forensics investigation, because as a truther, we have to wear many hats, right?
All of a sudden, I'm an electrical engineer, a meteorologist, a forensics analyst, and I mean, I'm a food nutritionalist, I'm a homeopathic, I mean, I'm a nutritionalist, I'm all these things all of a sudden, because I have to embrace the truth for what it is.
And as a truther, you have to wear mini hats.
My mentor, or an old friend I used to have, used to say, you can't be half pregnant with the truth.
You can't just stick to chemtrails because it's all connected.
I mean, just look at the aluminum.
It's connected to the fluoride, and you don't want to mix it with mercury.
You definitely don't want it in your jabs.
And then they've got aluminum-resistant seeds in the farming through Monsanto.
So just aluminum alone, it's all interconnected.
And then if you see that the number one cause of death in the UK is now, Alzheimer's and dementia, which come from aluminum toxicity built up in the brain, you look at the sky and you're like, okay, well, they're spraying aluminum almost every day on everyone.
I wonder where it's all coming from.
Obviously, it's all interconnected.
So you see where I'm going with that?
When all these houses are turned to dust, but there's a couple homes remaining that are untouched, people are going and investigating.
Sometimes they have an old analog meter, and that's just like, oh, wow, that's probably why.
But sometimes they don't, and I think that likely...
They were on the list of, you know, please don't erase my house from this.
So you mean that Oprah's house was saved not because she had the roof painted blue?
Exactly.
Oprah's house was not because of the blue roof, but because she was on the list of not having the directed energy surge her smart meter.
It's amazing, because I always thought that Oprah was one of the good guys.
I just thought, I mean, you know, all that massive wealth and influence.
I mean, how could she be working for the enemy?
So, yeah, they do this to us, don't they?
They sew these false breadcrumb trails, these breadcrumb trails leading us in the wrong direction.
Blue roofs, I can well believe.
What, you believe that blue roof shit?
Yeah, you're a...
Gulp idiot.
That sort of crazy stuff you conspiracy theorists come up with.
Well, whenever something like that comes to the forefront and then you see it's got millions of views on all the platforms, especially TikTok, it's like you have to start to ask yourself questions, you know, because there is censorship and there are algorithms that keep the truth quiet and quelled.
And like my film Franken-Skies, whenever it's on a platform that it hits a million views, it gets pulled.
You know?
It's been seen by about 100 million people worldwide.
It's translated into over a dozen languages.
100 million?
Yes, sir.
Well done.
Even in Romania.
It's going viral in Romania right now.
It's going viral in Czech Republic as well.
It's being picked up in other countries and being professionally dubbed.
And then I can find it in these other countries on platforms.
Millions of views.
It's really gaining a lot of momentum.
I thought in 2017 when it came out, that would be my year.
You know what I mean?
But now...
2025, it's gaining more momentum now than ever because there's a rise in consciousness and people are really rising to the occasion to awaken to this ongoing crime against humanity.
So many good stories come up to do with chemtrails.
Did you ever get to the bottom of...
There was an excerpt, a video excerpt from...
I think it was about a...
A production studio in Germany which was being paid a large sum of money to insert chemtrails into old movies to make it look like they've been around for a long time.
Have you been able to verify this?
Well, that's fascinating that you asked that.
Is that verifiable?
I don't know.
I can't necessarily speak to that.
I know what you're referencing.
I do believe, for instance, Jaws was digitally remastered and now there's chemtrails in it.
Is that right?
That is what I've been privy to.
Do I have a really old version of Jaws to cross-reference it?
No, I don't.
But this is something that I've been told and it is in there and it is a very old film and it is questionable.
But have old movies...
I've been reformatted with a lot of chemtrails.
I'm not 100% if that's a true story.
So like with the blue roofs and the lasers coming from the sky, sometimes these things are psyops.
So in that situation, I try to think anytime anything comes out and if it's viral, I think about what if I was talking to a normie or my grandmother or, you know, someone on the street that would have a face diaper on, you know, how would they absorb this information?
Well, if I told them to paint the roof blue, they would immediately think I was a nutter, and then anything I said to them in the future, they would just think, Matt is a crazy person, even if it was 100% true.
Even if there were frogs raining from the sky, and I said to them that it was a conspiracy, they wouldn't even question the frogs raining from the sky because I'm already this nutter in their eyes.
And the powers that be do a really good job at splitting us up.
Divide and conquer, divide and conquer, and making us look like nutters on certain issues.
Even with the moon landing thing that you said, some people aren't ready for that.
And so if you go hit them with the moon landing was fake, when they're just waking up to reading the ingredients on the packages of their food...
Which is kind of an introductory level waking up thing for people.
It's like, I've been ill for so long and I'm just recovering from cancer.
Maybe if this food has got all these preservatives and aspartame and poison in it, maybe I shouldn't.
Or if they've got cognitive issues and they're realizing fluoride is bad, maybe I should filter the fluoride from my...
Or maybe I shouldn't get the tenth booster.
And they start thinking, but then you come with them...
The moon landing was fake.
They've duped you ever since, you know, your parents' generation.
It's too much.
Sometimes it's too much.
So you have to think, what is this doing for the truth?
Even if you really, really believe it at the time, what is it doing for the truth?
And maybe a more grounded conversation could go over better with the people who are just new to it.
The editing of the films and putting in the old chemtrails, I can't corroborate that necessarily.
So I kind of...
It's the work of moments or work of a weekend.
You've got 100 million fans out there.
Somebody out there has got the patience to track down an old DVD of Jaws, to get the updated DVD, and then run excerpts so we can all see them for ourselves.
It seems very plausible to me, but it would be nice to see some evidence for it, wouldn't it?
Visual evidence.
Yeah, listeners, please, if you have the time and energy and want to do that particular piece of this puzzle, I'd love to see it.
At this stage in the game, things are getting really weird and convoluted with AI.
It's kind of like we're in a race towards cultivating our spiritual nature and understanding the power of our discernment and our gut and our hearts and our spirit.
Because as things continuously get...
So it's like if I get some amazing footage in the sky now and I want to share it, there's always a troll on there now saying, oh, that's AI.
You know?
And in the future, as we get further into this AI dystopia...
It could not.
So I think the time is now for people to jump on that opportunity and flush those things out because we're increasingly getting to a point where people don't believe anything that their eyes see.
And that's a scary place to be because at that point, they'll only trust authority and the government if they're still in that sheafal kind of mindset.
And there's a quote I like to say, you can...
Take authority as your truth, or you can take truth as your authority.
But the choice is yours.
The choice is literally up to you.
And people that live their lives taking authority as truth, they'll believe anything that they're told.
Like Katy Perry was in space, and who cares that she just put a monarch butterfly over one eye.
You know, that means nothing to them.
It's what you do.
It's normal, Matt.
You make sure that it's a monarch, nothing else, not a red admiral or a cabbage white, say, which are quite popular in England, or a peacock.
It's got to be a monarch.
And yeah, one eye, you've got to do that.
And when you go into space, it can't just be any ordinary pointy rocket.
It's got to have a sort of...
Bollocks either side of it.
It's got to look exactly like a dildo, like a space-age dildo.
Well, yeah, and what's wild about the witchcraft, if we can talk about that just for a minute, that craft was titled S-H-E-P, you know?
And people are like, oh no, it needs an extra E to be sheep.
But no, the writing is on the wall.
That is a brainwashing scenario.
But people that are already in the trance, already absorbing the witchcraft like it's nothing, they just eat it up and get further pushed into this trajectory towards Idiocracy the movie, if you don't know that movie.
It's like getting from A to Z or A to Z is a complicated scenario where humanity is getting conditioned one step at a time.
One step at a time.
But it takes these baby steps of believing this and believing that.
And then it's a slippery slope.
But as you give away your discernment, you know, to salamander ear man where, you know, orange Jesus is growing back his ear faster than a salamander could and people don't even scratch their head, right?
If you know what I'm referencing.
There's situations that keep happening ongoing.
Yeah, right.
There's ongoing situations where people can either...
Honor the truth with the integrity that it deserves, and then, once you do that, you open up your heart and soul to the world that we live in, which we live in an interesting place.
And I know you talk a lot about God and whatnot, but I've realized recently, when I was growing up, I was on the fence about religion and God and what have you, but as a truther, conspiracy theorist, I started really seeing Satan.
Satan is, I mean, even the name of the geoengineering program in the UK is Satan.
And the Starbucks logo is Satanic.
The peace sign is inverted, on purpose.
People are brainwashed left and right by this Satanic agenda.
But by seeing and realizing that we live in a Satanic world, we have to realize that we live in duality, right?
And on both sides...
There's light and dark.
So by seeing the devil, I woke up to God.
And I think a lot of people are going through this process themselves where the truth is showing the world in which we live and then you can identify your spiritual side and really have this mass consciousness, rising of consciousness, awakening that we all deserve, that we're all here to do.
But it might start in a dark place for some people.
But once you see that the news is lying, You know, you either can fall deeper back into your trance or that can be the kick in the face that you needed to wake up.
Here's the one that has got me into trouble in the past.
It's my belief and I have reason to evidence for this.
I think there's evidence that before that famous New Year's Eve tsunami, People in the markets were positioning themselves to take advantage of some kind of extreme event in that area.
Would I be right in thinking that they have the technology to create tsunamis and earthquakes and things like that as a kind of terror weapon?
Yeah, that's in my film as well.
The HAARP technology can also be utilized.
The...
Chavez, the Ecuadorian president, I believe.
There was a politician that was outing the U.S. military industrial complex for creating the earthquake in Haiti.
But it's very well known and likely that earthquake device will be used on Iran inevitably.
But yes, the technology exists.
And earthquake creation...
is kind of deeper down the rabbit hole.
People can start to wake up to GMO foods and even HAARP and chemtrails and whatnot.
But earthquakes are still under the guise of a natural disaster.
And I do think that based on the predictive programming in Hollywood that there likely will be a big earthquake kind of tsunami thing that hits the West Coast of the United States and then build back better smart cities and order out of chaos will likely ensue.
But yes, the technology is readily available and has been for some time.
There was a whistleblower that ended up getting off, I don't remember his name, that talked about the earthquake creating technology.
But yeah, it is there, and if you do the research, it's actually widely accepted as a reality.
Can you give me an idiot's idea of how to start an earthquake?
Well, there's fault lines, and instead of utilizing those microwaves, we talked about those intersecting microwaves that heat the sky, well, you point it at the fault lines, basically, and you shake it up and make it, they've been perfecting it out at sea and what have you, and then if people dig deep into the Fukushima disaster, there was weird lights in the sky leading up to it, and people that are in the know.
made tsunami there were weird lights in the sky when they had the turkish earthquakes as well yeah i've seen that japan i think sorry we've mentioned fukushima but i think there've been others that they they seem to these earthquakes seem to coincide with periods where the the the current prime minister or similar is doing stuff that the new world order doesn't like
Right.
Right.
Which is wild, but it is very real.
So Puerto Rico, for instance, is a U.S. territory.
It's an island in the Caribbean, right?
And Puerto Rico, they borrowed a bunch of money from the IMF.
And the IMF is International Monetary Fund.
They're run by the United States and whatnot.
And if you borrow a bunch of money from the IMF, you end up getting screwed over.
They like...
Take the infrastructure in your country, and they give you these predatory loans that balloon, and you can't pay them, and you can't even pay the interest, and your country ends up being owned by the IMF.
Well, Puerto Rico decided to just default on their loans, and they're like, we're not paying you back.
And the IMF was like, you better pay us back or else.
And Puerto Rico was like, no, we don't care about what you have to do.
They were hit with back-to-back hurricanes, and it was...
Evident and obvious that it was because of their defaulting.
And then afterwards, after two, the second one nearly destroyed the entire island.
They then paid their bills because they knew what was going on.
So yes, hurricanes, extreme weather events, earthquakes.
If you don't play ball with the Federal Reserve, the IMF, the military-industrial complex, I mean, they're all under this big...
World Economic Forum, United Nations, the they, you know, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the New World Order.
Are they even human, right?
Did we even win World War II?
Like, what's really going on, right?
We didn't win World War II.
Well, I mean, if we, people like you and me, the bad guys won.
Yeah, it feels like it's ongoing, actually, if you look into Paperclip and how MKUltra and Hollywood got established.
I mean...
Just Hollywood and NASA alone are creating this veil of programming over the world where people are in a trance.
And in a trance, they're so easily deceived and led astray and manipulated.
If you just look at what happened after World War II, which I don't think it ended.
I think it's still ongoing.
They just decided to play the slow game towards transhumanism is what I think is happening.
But if you look at the facts and...
Paperclip especially.
Why would the US voluntarily bring over war criminals?
And if you look at Warner Van Braun's tombstone, it starts to make a lot of sense.
But yeah, there's a lot of evidence that the war never ended, actually.
And that's what the Kim trailers are all about as well.
You mentioned Van Van Braun's gravestone.
Where he quotes Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament showeth his handiwork.
I think quite a few rabbit-holers think that that means that what he's really telling us is that space is fake and gay.
Are you of that party?
I'm not going to say that you just quoted me with the gay part, but the firmament seems very real.
I think that they give it another name.
They call it the Van Allen Belt.
But either way, we can't go to the moon, and whatever name you give it in the Quran, it's called a ceiling in the Bible.
Yeah, I think there's a kind of...
The firmament is this thing, and then above that, according to the Bible anyway, there's more water above.
Which makes sense if you look at what stars, how stars really act.
It seems like that we've been completely lied to.
But this is a deeper rabbit hole for some people.
So it's like chemtrails can be very introductory.
Like the lies of space are kind of deeper down that rabbit hole.
Don't kill the messenger and dismantle.
Don't not watch Franken-skies or not come to the rally in London because I don't believe that space is as real as it is.
But I've been researching Rudolf Steiner and he slams the Copernican model.
And he says that it's a frequency thing that if we as spiritual beings don't realize where we are, that when we die we get stuck in this materialism.
Karmic loop where we have to reincarnate because we're confused.
We don't even know where we're at.
And if we can't elevate our vibration to the reality of where we are, then we're bogged down by lies.
We're beings of resonance.
And if we know where we are in the universe or what the earth really is, then that's a high vibration of truth that can lead us to understanding our spiritual nature.
And give us guidance after death even in the astral and what have you.
But I think that there's like this closed loop, like soul trap, where people are so bombarded with lies that their resonance is so bogged down that they can't, even as souls, can't see the reality for what it is.
And they get back to this materialism loop of living out karma where you don't necessarily have to come back.
I know that might not be your belief system, but I think...
People are sucked back here where they don't have to in a spiritual kind of soul trap where it's eventually going to lead to transhumanism if we don't allow truth to represent itself in the way that God planned.
you're allowed to say whatever you want Matt I'm not going to police you I had this podcast the other day where some people got really upset that I was speaking to this nice academic who specialised in Dealing with espionage, and particularly in the sort of earlier part of the 20th century.
And I sort of questioned him at first because I wanted to establish his, I think there's a word, priors.
I wanted to know what his biases were.
Because if, for example, this is the point I made when I was talking to him.
If you are of the view that, for example, the intelligence services act in the interests of the people of the country where they're based, if you think that they don't engage in kind of black ops and wet jobs, and if you think they're working for the people, then you're going to have a very different take from those of us who understand that these...
Agences are actually working for the elites, working for the deep state, working for the cabal, working for the rulers of the darkness of this world.
So I think it's sometimes important to grill people slightly on what their convictions are.
I don't think it matters.
I mean, I would say that you're...
You're kind of religious.
You wouldn't qualify as a Christian.
You're more of a kind of a new age persuasion.
Because when you start talking about, you know, stuff like that, the light and the dark and the...
But look, we're all at different stages of our journey.
And I just think what you've been doing...
I wanted to say thank you very much.
For being so good at, I mean, you're really on it.
You've answered all the questions that I wanted to ask you.
I think there's one more that I haven't sort of got around to asking you, which you can answer now.
Because I'm trying to think of all the big questions that people ask about chemtrails.
The other big one is, you've half answered.
What are these planes that are doing it?
Are they drones?
Are they small aircraft?
And do passenger aircraft ever get involved in this stuff or not?
So based on my research, I've concluded, all right, this isn't a theory anymore.
And like, I went to business school, I got a master's in business, MBA, I graduated top of my class, and I was very advanced in statistics.
And in statistics, you can test numbers and eventually...
You come to conclusions.
You know, you have a theory eventually, but the numbers speak for themselves.
And eventually it's not just a corollary, but a causal relationship.
And I don't believe it's passenger jets.
I'm pretty firm that it's not.
There'd be so many people involved.
And what are they doing?
Taking the passenger jet into some secret hangar?
Where no one's watching and then loading the chemicals and then coming up.
Right when the plane lands in Heathrow, people are getting on and off.
And there it is.
There'd be so many witnesses.
Yeah, good point.
So that's one issue.
But what people don't realize is there's an aftermarket for everything.
So rental cars, for instance.
When the rental cars get too many miles on their car, they sell those cars with the labels still on them.
Like, they literally still have the rental car stickers on it.
You go and they auction them off and you can go buy...
You can even go buy old cop cars and they still have the lights on them.
In the States, at least.
Cool.
Right?
Yeah, I guess so.
I mean, I'm always like, you know, my heart palpitates and then I realize there's not a cop behind me.
It's just somebody that got a...
Yeah, some knobhead that got the freaking car that looks like a cop car.
But the airlines...
They have their old fleets that they need to get rid of, and there's not these graveyards or junkyards with all these old planes.
They get bought up by the chemtrailers, and they just get gutted, and they leave the markings on them.
And also, the world elite, we're talking about trillionaires that are building bunkers underground for some apocalyptic scenario.
Own the flight app programs.
So if you're on your flight app and you're like, no, that's actually a plane going to Dubai, you're being told what they want you to think, you know?
Sometimes that might be accurate.
Sometimes it is not accurate.
Sometimes the plane isn't showing up on the flight app and it's spraying and it's like, oh, maybe my app is not functioning.
They tell you what you want to think and they show you what they want you to think to deceive you because this is a massive conspiracy that has kept...
The entire world almost in the dark, right?
Like, how could they pull it off?
So they got old planes.
They have drones as well, where I've even had someone wanting to blow the whistle asking me if I could keep them safe.
And I'm like, I'm just a regular guy.
I can't, you know, guarantee you and your family's safety.
But he worked at a base where the drones would land, and he was actually the forklift operator that put the compressed canisters of...
The constituents on the planes, and then the drones would take right off.
But where I live, it's very obvious that they're drones.
They're way lower to the ground than they should be.
They're way smaller than they should be.
And you can watch them even run out of their chemicals, where they're spraying, and then they just run out, and then they've got to go back to the base and get these chemicals back on.
So there's fleets of drones, fleets of modified ex-airline planes, but I don't...
I definitely am positive that they're not utilizing regular aircraft.
There would be way too many loose ends.
You'd end up with some mechanic that saw something.
I mean, they're not utilizing regular airports.
So there's so many controlled narratives and even plants and trolls and whatnot.
And one obvious sign is when someone tells you, oh, it's definitely passenger jets.
Like, they even recommend for people to break into, like, Heathrow and take photos and whatnot.
That's a good idea.
Yeah, that's a big sign for me that they're actually just government intelligence of some sort, you know, MI6 or whatever you want, 77th Brigade or CIA, whatever you want to call them.
But I'm positive that these are secret bases that they're flying in and out of that aren't on a map and that they are utilizing advanced drone technology that was perfected after the Gulf War and the conflicts in...
Iraq and Afghanistan and whatnot.
And now they're spraying with unmanned craft primarily.
So that piece of the puzzle, all of those liabilities are out the window.
These are unmanned.
They're automated.
And they are likely even controlled from the ground by computers.
So they don't have that many people involved.
But the people that are involved, they're on a need-to-know basis.
They're compartmentalized.
They are also brainwashed and told that they're saving the world, that they're doing something good, and that it's top secret.
But they've also already sold their soul.
They're working for the devil.
So it's like they know that they've already committed No, they know that they'll just end up That's why people ask, where are the whistleblowers?
Where are the pilots?
They're not really pilots.
These are automated.
And the people that are involved, they're so indoctrinated and compartmentalized and also they know that they won't be heard if they start to sound the alarm.
They'll likely just be six feet under without even being heard.
So they know that their family is at risk, their lives are at stake, and they've already They become so involved in the program that even if they do have a little bit of awareness, finally, they can't speak up anyways.
That is quite a good disincentive, isn't it, to whistleblowing?
The thought that you're going to be killed.
Right.
And then also they even have plants pretending to be whistleblowers.
So then it's like a balloon that is about ready to pop, but then they quell that energy by having their own people step forward and point the finger a certain way.
And then they're like, oh, well, thank God someone's done it.
I don't have to do it.
And that's all psychology.
They're very good at the psychology of it all.
So you've obviously...
I mean, it seems...
Cruel to name names, but you've obviously spotted some characters who've appeared on the scene who are obviously a distraction.
Yeah, I don't drop names necessarily unless people ask me very direct questions.
If you say, what do you think of this person, I'll give you my honest opinion because I don't lie.
I'm not going to just fabricate stuff to make myself not look like a finger pointer.
There's one guy who talks about climate change like it's real, and I think that's a big tell for me.
Anthropogenic, man-made climate change based on carbon and whatnot and not induced by geoengineering is a lie.
And so if you're at the forefront of being a chemtrail geoengineering activist and you've got that bit of the...
Puzzle wrong, then you're either completely disillusioned and brainwashed or you're working for the wrong side.
And if your stuff is going viral and you're still spitting those lies, because at the end of that lie is geoengineering is for your own good then, you know, because they want to slow down the problems that carbon has created, you know, and that's all absolute bollocks.
And that is the big red flag that likely, 100% likely, that you're on the wrong side and trying to mislead people.
The fact is that geoengineering is being utilized to create the problem and reaction solution scenario to sell the public geoengineering as a solution to the problem that they're creating with extreme fires, tornadoes, floods, you name it.
But they have a lot of...
Tools in their tool belt, they have a lot of things that they can do with the technology they've created to have you thinking that it's, you know, methane or carbon dioxide or even nitrogen is now under attack.
All these things are needed for farming.
I mean, the idea that carbon is the problem, carbon is.04 carbon dioxide.
0.04% of the atmosphere.
It could go up tenfold, and it would be good for agriculture.
It would be good for the world.
If it was cut in half, we might all die.
So, like, restricting carbon and blaming it and saying that that's the problem.
Meanwhile, the number one greenhouse gas, for people that don't know.
So, this is very fascinating.
So, people think that the lines in the sky are water vapor, which they are not.
At the end of the day, they point the finger at carbon dioxide as this greenhouse gas is creating all the problems.
The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor.
So if that is all just water vapor in the sky, crisscrossing the sky, then that needs to be scrutinized.
But there's instead a controlled argument that, oh, the billionaires are flying around, and you're flying around, and all of this pollution in the atmosphere is creating global warming, right?
And we need to restrict your air travel and what have you.
They're pointing the fingers at the wrong things and trying to take away our ability to travel.
But if really they were looking at global warming and trying to come up with solutions to it and really looking at the elephants in the room, then if those lines in the sky were water vapor, then they would come together and figure out a means of making the engines more efficient, which they have done.
So I'm working on a sequel, Frankenstein's two climate chains, like shackles.
And in the 1970s and 80s...
The military figured out a way to make no contrails out of jets.
And I've actually found footage from the military-industrial complex of them testing engines and making it so engines don't produce any condensation at all because a teeny little contrail used to come out of planes.
Given the perfect situation, maybe these little teeny things that you see out of the back of jets, these things can happen, but nothing like the persistent No, I wanted to ask you, actually, I've got two, before we go, two tiny small questions.
One is, you sometimes see in online discussions about chemtrails, and it's amazing how quickly the bots and the trolls move into these discussions.
They really are hot on this subject.
You'll always get somebody pulling up an old photograph from World War II showing, Flying fortresses with these massive white trails coming off their engines.
Or you'll get the photograph of the aftermath of a dogfight where you've got all these swirly lines in the sky.
Now, are those genuine or are they part of the psyop?
Well, one thing to mention is that when trolls...
File into a conversation.
They can be bots, which is interesting.
You can click on their profiles.
A lot of normies don't have the scrutiny to dig.
But if you click on these bots, a lot of them are not even real.
It's an AI-generated photo.
It's obviously AI generated.
They don't have any history.
And it's just a bot that was created probably the night before or something like that.
But you do have trolls that are paid.
And this is like 77th Brigade, what have you.
And what they do is they're notified by the algorithm.
Oh, these people over here talking about this.
They pile into a conversation and they steer the narrative through peer pressure.
Persuasion through like a...
Group think, because it's like a herd mentality.
So say I'm talking about something, but then all of a sudden 20 people are over there, people, bots and trolls, are saying one narrative, and you come along and you're new to the topic, and you're like, oh, look at all these people.
You're easily persuaded just by internet bots, because you're thinking, oh, this is what the majority thinks.
It's also like when people come along and find my movie, and they find it on some platform, it's only got a thousand views, they're like, oh.
This is garbage.
It's like if they saw it with a billion views, they'd be like, oh wow, I'm going to believe this now because it has so many clicks.
It's because people are so inundated with this herd mentality.
They think that the more the merrier.
But really, things can be very controlled on the internet as we know.
So, were those old photos altered and doctored?
Possibly.
Were the old engines on the planes a lot less efficient and blasting a lot of heat?
Yes.
The jets, the military craft, they traditionally have jet engines on the back of the plane, pushing the plane and creating a lot of thrust with a lot of heat.
Planes nowadays, like the aircraft, the passenger jets, the jets, the high-bypass turbofan jet engines are on the engine.
I mean, I'm sorry, they're on the wings.
Sorry, it's a little...
I just got back from London and I'm slightly jet-lagged being eight hours away from you all, so...
I just want to mention that.
But the lines in the sky, if those are accurate from World War II, it's because the engines were completely different back then, and they were creating a lot more heat.
But I honestly think a lot of those things are fabricated just so people can be like, they've been around the whole time.
If you think they've been around the whole time, go through your family photos.
Look for anything.
And what you'll find is cobalt blue beautiful skies in the 70s, 60s, 70s, 80s, early 90s.
You'll find white fluffy clouds.
You won't see these grid patterns in the sky that you can see regularly today.
So ask yourself, what has changed?
You know, the narrative is true.
Yeah, go through your stuff and look, because I don't think that the Mandela effect or anybody MI6 has snuck in and replaced your photos.
I think that your photos are genuine and you can look at that and actually think for yourself.
But people, they don't even trust their own memory.
I don't think, like I even met someone, so I went to Speaker's Corner just last week.
It's funny to me in London, it's like, yeah, we have free speech.
On Sundays at Speaker's Corner, so they'll tell you.
You have the window.
Yeah, you have this little window where you can go on your soapbox, and there's all these other people yelling at each other.
But I went to Speaker's Corner, and I passed out my Chemtrail flyers, and I was talking to a lot of people.
And this one woman, it was almost like I was right where she needed at that exact time, because she had all these questions, and she was like, I thought it was my own eyes.
And I was like, whoa, whoa.
Hi, I'm Matt.
She goes, I thought it was my own eyes.
I thought my eyes were going bad.
And I'm like, oh, is that a question?
And she's like, well, my eyes were telling me that the sky was whiter than my childhood, and I thought my eyesight was going bad.
But she goes, but you're telling me the skies have been altered.
And I'm like...
I'm recommending you watch my movie, please.
Check it out, frankiskies.com.
And she's like, I knew something was up.
I just needed you to just give me that little nudge.
And she's just rattling all these realizations that she'd had, but she had no one else to bounce it off of.
Her own ego was telling her that she was nutters, but now she's realizing that the blue sky of her childhood is gone.
The sky is way wider than before.
And why?
Why is that?
And that planted the seed for her to be able to witness and to ask these pivotal questions.
And now she's going to go right diving down the rabbit hole, I feel.
But no, you're not crazy.
Yes, the climate is changing.
It is being geoengineered.
Matt, I've so enjoyed talking to you.
And tell us again when the rally is going to be.
So the rally...
It's happening now.
So I'm an American and I'm coming, what, like 6,000 miles to London to have this protest or rally or gathering, as we call it, because there's an awakening happening in the UK specifically and it's happening right now.
And so I'm coming there to give it a little spark, to give it a little nudge, to give it the push that it deserves.
We're doing this for the children.
Who else are we doing it for?
We cannot pass this torch to the next generation.
And say, oh yeah, you know, your sky is white and enjoy the aluminum toxicity in your brain.
You might have neurological issues and maybe you'll have Alzheimer's in your 30s.
Who knows?
But you're welcome.
It's literally handing the next generation an unlit torch and saying good luck.
Good luck with that.
See if you can light it and pass it down to the next.
We want to honor the truth with integrity for the children.
Give them the opportunity to be able to do something about it.
If you don't mind, I've got a metaphor really quick.
And sadly, it's about the monarch butterfly, but it's not about MKUltra, if you don't mind.
May I?
In the United States, we have the beautiful monarch butterfly that's been co-opted, sadly, you know, with the MKUltra and all that sort of stuff.
But it is a beautiful species.
Every single year, the monarch butterfly, it wakes up.
In the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico.
The entire species.
Alright?
And then they wake up and they eat what's called this milkweed.
It's this one flower that they need.
They love it.
And so the milkweed is flowering when they wake up from their process out of their cocoons.
You know, they go through this metamorphosis and all the butterflies wake up.
They eat the milkweed and they fly north.
They go about a thousand miles and they...
They mate, lay their eggs, do it all over again, and then the next generation, it wakes up in like Texas, which is the very bottom of the United States.
Then they wake up again to the milkweed, because as we go north, the seasons are a little different, and the milkweed is flowering.
It takes four generations for the whole species that woke up in the Yucatan Peninsula to get all the way up to Canada, to the tundra of North America.
That generation of monarch butterfly, it wakes up to the flowering milkweed and it has to do what four generations did and fly all the way back to Mexico.
They have to go over cities, highways, mountains, and they have to make it to Mexico or the species is gone forever, right?
And so I see that as humanity right now.
It's a metaphor for humanity.
And we are not even the version of the butterfly that wakes up in the tundra of Canada.
We're the ones that are waking up in Colorado that need to set the stage and light the torch and bring it forward so that the ones waking up in Canada can do the big journey, the long haul.
If we don't give them the opportunity and do what we need to do, the species will die.
They won't have the energy.
And if we don't make it the last little trek of the voyage, they won't be able to do that big.
All the way back to Mexico to start that cycle all over again, right?
If that made sense.
I might have butchered it.
Sorry if I did.
So, we're that version of humanity that needs to give the children the opportunity to have enough strength to fight this battle, which is the honoring of truth, right?
It's not just chemtrails.
It's a lot of things.
But in the light of chemtrails, we have to show them the way and give them the opportunity to have blue skies, to be able to...
Bring scrutiny and transparency to this ongoing crime against humanity.
So we have to sound the alarm, raise the awareness, doing it in a grounded fashion.
So we're doing this for the kids, really, and we have to.
We have no choice.
So I encourage people to please bring signs.
Please come and show up.
I don't care if you've been to other protests or if you are tired that day or whatever it is.
If you can't be bothered, this is going to be a great opportunity.
So Sonia Poulton will be there.
She'll be speaking.
I'll be speaking.
Mark Devlin will be speaking.
Sonia Poulton will be streaming it live on her platform.
I'm open to other speakers coming as well.
And we're going to have music as well.
We're going to have bands performing.
This is in marble.
Arch, which is right next to Speaker's Corner.
Yeah.
And it's a great spot to have the rally and it'll be very photogenic.
I'll be there with bells on.
I'll try and get a monarch butterfly costume.
I don't know how easy they are.
Although people might misinterpret it.
Yeah, maybe don't do that.
People that think I'm controlled.
Right, right, yeah.
That's why the metaphor is hardly even that great, because the monarch butterfly has been so hijacked.
But the story is real, you know?
It's actually what that species does.
It sounds like it's going to be good.
It's going to be great.
It's on 21st June, summer solstice, and it's on the longest day of the year, the most sunshine, because they're trying to block our sun, and we're there to honor the sun.
So please join us on 21st June in London.
At Marble Arch at 2pm.
Feel free to come early.
It's going to be a couple hours of music and speakers.
And then we're all going to rally across the street to Speaker's Corner and have a nice Q&A, breakout sessions and a picnic.
And we're all doing it for the truth and for humanity.
And I look forward to seeing everyone there.
Matt Landman, thank you very much.
You were great.
Thank you.
I love you.
And I hope it goes really well.
And thank you for all your due.
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And maybe if I could make it that day, I'll see you at the rally.
Thank you very much, Matt.
Thank you, James.
And everyone can play their part in this great awakening.
And even if it's just sharing some of...
James' stuff, that could be the part that you play, but in any way that you can, like if you knit, knit for truth, you know, you can use your passion to help this great awakening, and I appreciate it, and I hope that I can see you there that day, James, and if you're there, I'd love to hand you the mic and let you say some words as well.
Thank you.
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Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when...
The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan...
Who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
you can buy it from James darling poll dot co dot UK forward slash shop you put it on the right just get to my website and look for it James darling poll dot co dot UK And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
There we go.
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