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Welcome to the Delling Pod, Rurik Skywalker.
I imagine it's not your real name.
That's a good guess, Mr. Dellingpool.
Well, don't say my name like it's made up.
My name actually is real.
No, no, I didn't mean that.
I was actually trying to say, your name seems far more real than Rurik Skywalker.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the thing is, Rurik, it's quite difficult.
You've just told me that you haven't got a video camera on your...
Computer, whatever.
I imagine...
Do you prefer being invisible?
Oh yeah, for sure.
Although at this point, it's not even really for me.
Although it's funny, just the other day I got a death threat after my latest article.
From a guy who calls me a Soros agent, and he says that the law doesn't apply to me, I posted it on Substack.
It was actually one of the few well-written death threats, so I figured it was worth it.
Oh, I read it.
No, I thought it was very entertaining.
Yeah. It was a...
I mean, I'm always careful about the use of the phrase death threat, because I think for a death threat to carry any meaning, it's got to be like...
I know where you live.
Watch out.
I'm going to come and get you any second, and I'm going to kill you.
That would be a death threat.
But this person, he was just like a, more like a sort of Q, a Q trust the plan person, who was talking about how he would have the right to execute you in a sort of quasi-military tribunal.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
In Guantanamo Bay, after Hillary Clinton was sentenced to something like that, yeah.
I mean, before we go on, and I'm sure you're probably aware that my style is quite digressive, I do wish that Q were true.
I mean, I do wish that all these really bad people had been put in underground cells or executed by the forces of, by the White Hats, and that soon we were all going to be liberated from the darkness and the trafficked children were going to be released from their underground lairs and so on.
It'd be good, wouldn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
And the adrenochrome factories shut down.
The adrenochrome factories shut down.
That would be fantastic.
But that person, by the way, he mentioned that 8 million...
Was it 8 million children a year?
I think so, yeah.
That figure sounds quite high.
Or is it?
I mean, what do your researchers tell you about the number of trafficked children?
I don't follow QAnon anymore.
I mean, I followed it when it was like, I thought it died down.
But when I started blogging again, I realized that Q had morphed and it had turned and Putin was now in the picture.
And that's when I started calling these people who were promoting these lies about Putin, this great geopolitical genius who was, you know, defeating the forces of darkness, as you put it.
I realized this was a variant of QAnon, and I started calling it Xeonon.
So I have no idea where they got the 8 million children claim, but when I was still watching or paying attention to QAnon, I totally understood what was going on, and I pretty much was...
Dead set thinking that it was a psychological intelligence operation.
And then to my surprise, it was sort of resurrected with Russia and the war and this whole multipolar narrative and Putin, this anti-globalist patriot.
It's the same thing recycled, but just for Russia.
So that's a key point of my blog, actually.
Tell me a bit about yourself.
I mean, obviously, I don't want to destroy your anonymity, but...
You're obviously not English.
Where are you from?
Well, I grew up in America, but I was born in Kiev.
You mean Kiev!
Kiev! Right.
We're told to pronounce it now.
Yeah, it's funny to hear all these people who are experts on my hometown.
I've never heard of half the stuff that they talk about.
So yeah, then I grew up in America.
And then I moved back to Russia.
At first, I was an exchange student, but I just decided to stay, and I stayed there for seven years.
And I really enjoyed it, and I traveled around the country.
And I don't know what to say.
I spent also a year in Belarus.
That was already during the war.
And I spent a year in Ukraine right before the war.
And I've had jobs working in Russian media, and I've had...
What else can I say?
Are you technically, I mean, are you a Ukrainian citizen or are you a Russian?
I'm a Ukrainian citizen, yeah.
And as fans of the blog would know, I've been arrested by the FSB, held for three days or two and a half days in solitary.
And then I got kicked out of Belarus by the Belarusian KGB, who were told to do so or suggested to do so by the Russian FSB.
And despite all this, I'm pro-Russia,
Right. That must have been scary, being held by the FSB.
I mean, yeah, I didn't know.
I mean, I was really naive about stuff at the time, and I thought that, well, look, I work for Russian media.
I have all these friends in Moscow, and some of them have good connections, actually, and they seem to know people with pull and power.
Surely they understand that I'm pro-Rusky Mir, which means this greater Russian world, the territories of the old Russian Empire, whatever you want to call it, this pan-Russian thing.
Surely they understand I've always, for seven or six years, or how long I've worked in the media, I've always been pro-Russian, everything like that.
What's with this friendly fire?
It just sort of opened my eyes to...
I'd heard a lot about what was really happening in Moscow, who Putin and the Kremlin really were, and it never really clicks for a person until it has a little bit of an emotional impact to it.
If it's abstract, if it's sort of like theorizing, you kind of forget about it, and you go about your day, and you don't let it affect your life, right?
When something hits you and jars you and sort of knocks you out of your rhythm, like getting arrested and thrown into a hole and not told why, well, it was told later.
It's because they suspected me of being an Azov spy.
Which I'm not.
I've never been in Azov.
I don't know anybody in Azov.
But the passport, I think, was enough.
And they were looking for quotas of Ukrainians to snatch up to show that they were busy and doing their jobs.
So long story short, what I'm saying is that that moment was jarring for me.
And I think that and all the...
Just the tragedy of this war and just the corpses that you end up seeing on the internet, the stories I got from veterans that I was interviewing.
I was like, something is wrong.
Something is funky.
The Z narrative does not work.
Good. I'm really glad that you're going to tell me about...
Hang on, sorry.
I'm about to choke on the nut.
Excuse me.
Um. Yeah.
One of the things I really noticed when I first started going down the rabbit hole about four years ago, five years ago, was that there is a significant chunk of people who consider themselves to be awake,
who think that Putin represents some kind of alternative to the To the New World Order being imposed on us by the evil cabal.
And what I noticed was that a lot of people who wanted to correct this position said, you should read Rurik Skywalker.
He knows the truth.
Which is nice for you.
So I'm hoping you do know what's really going on.
Because I have to say, I've been...
Following the propaganda narrative on the Ukraine-Russia war in the West and been tearing my hair out in frustration at the kind of nonsense that's being served up to us in the UK and I'm sure it's the same in America with Ukraine flags on the walls of English village houses,
whose owners probably couldn't place Ukraine on a map.
What are these flags doing there?
Why do bollards even have that particular shade of blue and yellow on them?
It all seems to be sort of subliminal advertising, designed to kind of prepare us for this glorious and justified conflict with the evil Putla.
So I get a lot of the pro-Ukraine propaganda narrative, but as I understand from what I've read of you, they're all baddies.
I mean, they're all in it together.
Is that the deal?
Yeah, that's basically it.
And most people rely on heuristics to come to the...
To figure out who's the baddie and who's the goodie.
And so, obviously, if they're corrupt, English or whatever, London government is telling them to support Ukraine, therefore Putin must be the good guy.
And same thing in America.
If the media was against Trump, that must mean Trump is the savior.
And then they just applied that same formula to Putin.
And that's the same thing, the whole axis of resistance, same logic there, same logic about Xi over in China.
So that's basically all that it is.
It's just sort of virtue signaling on the liberal left part where they embrace this Ukrainamania.
I think they added the Ukrainian colors to the transgender flag, which is really funny.
The rainbow plus the BLM plus the trans colors, and then they added Ukraine to it as well.
It's just this mosaic of all the stuff you're supposed to believe.
As a reminder, it keeps growing.
So yeah, I can totally understand why people were like,"Fuck Ukraine!
Let's go Russia!" I'm sorry, I don't usually curse.
Occasionally. I try and stop myself swearing.
Yeah, it's uncouth.
I was just role-playing there.
But as an uncouth man who was just knee-jerk reacting to the situation.
And I understand that mentality, but yes, if you dig a little bit deeper, I'm sorry, but it's actually the same group of people in power in Moscow.
As in Kiev, and if you dig even deeper into the post-Soviet history of the KGB and how these lands were divvied up once the USSR imploded, supposedly, that's when you really get the fuller picture.
So to tell people what's really going on, I have to at least explain the 80s and the 90s to them.
Do most people have the attention span for me to tell them these foreign sounding names?
Like there was a guy called Andropov and he was the head of the KGB in the 80s.
And then here's a black and white photo of him.
People's eyes roll so far into the back of their head.
And I lose 90% of people, you know.
But it is important to tell that story.
And I do try to tell that on the blog.
You have to start at least with the 80s and the project that was to reform the lands of the Soviet Union.
And this is what.
They'll want to talk about, well, traditionally, there were these Ukrainian speakers in this part of the country, or back in the times of Kiev Rus, as if that was relevant at all to the discussion at hand.
Nobody wants to talk about these dirty KGB dealings that really set the stage for the conflict and the infighting and the turf war.
This is just a turf war that's going on right now.
So that's kind of a general overview.
Oh, okay.
Right. A tough war between sort of...
Are we talking about oligarchs, basically?
No, not really.
I mean, yes, there are oligarchs and they get a lot of attention.
But the thing is that it really is a spook state.
You know, like, when on drop-off...
Okay, here I go into the whole spiel.
I warned you guys about it.
You're going to lose 90% of your...
Listeners right now.
But you really have to understand that the Soviet Union was turned into basically a KGB-controlled state by the hard work of this one guy, the great cardinal.
Nobody knows about him, but he's so important.
It's this Andropov guy who briefly became general secretary before he died under suspicious circumstances.
But he was hard at work for decades behind the scenes, basically taking control of everything with the KGB.
So the media was controlled by the KGB.
The nuclear industry was controlled by the KGB.
They had a full Project Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, control of the media.
And all the plans for the destruction of the USSR were made by this man.
It was all drawn up in the 70s.
It was called Operation M at the time.
That's the operation for the implosion of the USSR.
Why is this important?
Well, it was all like these oligarchs and this whole robber baron situation that everyone's familiar with from the 90s in Russia.
All of it was deliberately set up by the KGB.
There were these groups that were put in place by Andropov, like the Leningrad Economic Circle, for example.
Very famous group of economic reformers.
Big names like Chubais, Gaidar, Mao, and all of the Western advisors that came over, like Sachs, blanking on it.
But I'm sure people know these names, these big names, these teams that restructured the Soviet Union and created the Russian Federation.
All that was in place in the 80s, set up by the KGB, in conjunction with their partners in the West.
In fact, they were bringing over Western-educated KGB agents to the Soviet Union.
To put them in charge of this whole Perestroika, whatever, this whole thing that they were setting up in the post-Soviet space.
So, for example, Yakovlev, like he was...
He was the guy who explicitly engineered the division of the territories.
He gave the Baltics their independence.
He came over from Canada, and he had studied, and then he was also, I think, in Colombia.
Almost all of them come from Colombia, from what I gather.
Point being, the oligarchs are then a product of the KGB mafia controlling the black economy.
So almost every single oligarch was somehow tied up with the secret police at some point in the Soviet Union.
And then they transitioned into these captains of industry.
And Putin's story is sort of an example of this because, I mean, he was basically a street thug who gets pulled into the KGB.
And then he basically, like there is this alliance or this chimera between the spook state, these KGB thugs basically from Andropov's time.
They were into all of this stuff, into the perestroika, into the robber baron stuff, into capitalism, these market reforms as you want to call them.
So is there like when people say, oh, it's the oligarchs and Putin's again.
I mean, Putin's team created the oligarchs in the 80s.
His boss was in charge of setting everything up for them.
These oligarchs were yesterday's...
KGB agents.
There isn't really that much of a difference between the KGB and the oligarchy.
They feed off of one another.
It's a chimera.
And you really have to go to the 80s, to all these secret machinations within the KGB to understand who the oligarchs are, supposedly, and who the FSB is, and to understand what's really happening in Eastern Europe.
I hope that makes sense.
Yes. So, which invites the question, who is the KGB or the...
What's the FSB?
Who is the FSB answerable to now?
This KGB state, who ultimately is running it?
Well, we can trace the developments, and I think the best place to start is with Andropov, whose real name was Finkelstein, and he was the son of Jewelers, and he was a Trotskyist.
And so, you know, there's this divide within the communist movement of the Trotskyists who move over to the West.
I mean, this is the plot of Animal Farm.
I don't know if anybody knows this, but like, you know, you have the pigs lead a revolution on the farm.
And then there's two pigs who are like the leaders.
There's Snowball and there's Napoleon.
And so Napoleon ends up chasing out Snowball and blaming all the problems of the farm on Snowball.
Snowball is Trotsky in that story.
Orwell was a Trotskyite.
He had fought in Catalonia on the side of the Trotskyites.
He was there to kill Catholics.
He was like really anti-Catholic and their cause was betrayed by Stalin.
So the communists and everything, the Stalin faction betrayed the Trotsky faction.
There was a split, and also the Trotskyists embraced Zionism.
And so in America, they became known as the neocons, the neoconservatives.
And they became allies of the so-called right in America, battling the USSR.
They were trying to destroy communism.
So a lot of these dissidents from the USSR, first of all, they speak Yiddish.
Second of all, they're shipped over to the West, to Canada, to America, to Western Europe.
And from there, they work as these dissidents who are anti-communists and they become, again, I don't know what they're called in Europe, but they're neocons over in America.
He's one of these guys.
He believes in their thing.
And you can tell because he's a Trotsky scholar.
He wrote his stuff, his theses on Trotsky.
And he believed that the Soviet Union had gone the wrong way.
And what they needed to do was to set the Soviet Union on the correct path, the true fundamentalist path of communism.
And to do that, you needed a new NEP period.
People don't know this, but when Trotsky and Lenin seized power in the USSR, they instituted something called NEP.
NEP, the New Economic Program, was basically this super laissez-faire, libertarian, robber-baron type scheme where everything that wasn't bolted to the ground was privatized and a lot of it was sold for pennies on the dollar to the West.
Everything was gobbled up basically by these...
The secret police at the time, these armed Bolshevik gangs were just going around expropriating everything.
So that was the first phase of communism as it happened under Leninist Trotskyism in the USSR.
Then Stalin comes around and then you have the war economy kick in.
So you have basically like a nationalist economy.
For all his faults, Stalin did set up basically what communism promised, which was these massive factories, massive production, mass employment.
And this sort of creates the socialist nationalist state, which then becomes the USSR.
And that's what most people have a stereotype of the USSR as being.
You think of these serious choirs and people marching in formation and like these big burly men with blonde hair and like, you know...
Ushanka hats, you know, those Russian-looking hats with their rifles and they're, you know, basically living off of pickle juice and vodka and living just to battle and to, you know, all this, like, hardcore militarism.
You know what I mean?
Do you have that?
Yeah. So that's sort of the thing that, like, the Trotsky at school, they say that that's a deviance from...
What it was supposed to be.
I mean, for God's sakes, there were nudist parades on the Red Square when the Bolsheviks first took over.
They were trying to abolish the family.
They were doing all this sexual experimentation and everything like that.
All of it gets basically labeled a bourgeois vice and shut down in the later USSR.
So there's, you know, even the artwork, right?
Like you look at what the art in the West was being produced by.
You know, the movements at the time, and you compare it to what the East is producing, and it's Soviet realism.
It's these burly men in factories and, you know, heroic men fighting in the trenches of some battle.
Soviet realism is kind of just like, I don't like it, but, you know, it's much less what you would call decadent or degenerate than, you know, the whole, I guess, Jackson Pollock type.
Well, I mean, Jackson Pollock, of course, that was funded by the CIA.
There you go.
As a deliberate kind of corollary to...
Yeah, and so that mirrors the perfect divide between sort of later communism in the USSR, what we could call roughly Stalinism, and Trotskyism, and this sort of softer international pro-Zionist type of communism which ends up taking control in the West.
On your island, there was a guy called Churchill, and he wrote that famous, I don't know, was it an essay in the newspaper where he said, Zionism versus Bolshevism, a battle for the Jewish soul, or something like that.
That was like a famous...
That split, it continues.
And it's eventually what leads to the breakup of the USSR.
That was this long thing that I was driving at.
And the main guy who institutes it is this guy named Andropov, real name Finkelstein, who is actually a Trotskyist.
And so he looks to the West and he starts inviting people over, these intellectuals, these people who had been in exile.
He starts bringing them all back.
And he starts making deals with the West.
He does a lot of extremely questionable things to sabotage the USSR.
I blame him for Chernobyl, for example.
I also blame him for the Afghanistan debacle.
The USSR was supposed to invade Iran.
All the plans were there.
Everybody was ready to go.
There was a communist coup that had been prepared, and Dropov nixed it, and he sent the army into Afghanistan instead, where he cooperated with the CIA.
To basically destroy the Soviet war effort.
I write a huge thing about it and I base it on the memoirs of officers who had served there and a lot of the stuff that got declassified in the 90s.
People can read about that if they're interested on the blog.
My point is that...
This process starts with this guy.
He implodes the USSR.
And Putin is a continuation of this.
So to understand it, it's like, you know, if we were discussing the USSR in the 1950s or something, and we were trying to explain it to people who didn't know who Lenin was or who Marx was.
You kind of need to know who Lenin and who Marx and Trotsky are if you're going to try and make sense of the USSR.
In the same way that you would probably need to know who the founding fathers are if you're going to make sense.
Yeah. And
I explain how it came about, and I explain how Putin continues this plan, and what the goal of this plan is, and how the war fits into the whole context of it.
It's complicated, but, you know, I don't know what to say.
I'd really do my best.
Okay, because I have to say, I'm woefully ignorant on the difference between Trotsky and Lenin.
So, just very simply, Trotsky was Zionist?
Internationalist? Yeah.
Yeah. And Lenin was what?
He wasn't a Zionist.
Stalin. Oh, sorry.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, early Trotsky is against Zionism.
Later, Trotsky embraces it.
And with Stalin, early Stalin is pro-Zionism.
Then he realizes it's a threat to the USSR because the main drivers of communism and their main supporters of it around the world are, of course, Jews.
And so if the majority of Jews switch over to Zionism, the Soviet project is doomed.
So he immediately starts clamping down on Zionism, and that leads to his assassination in The Doctor's Plot, which actually, there's a comedy that came out.
I think it's a British one.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Death of Stalin, right?
Yes. But, I mean, he lived long enough to do an awful lot of damage before he got bumped off.
Sure. Stalin has a lot of blood on his hands, but that wasn't what he was killed for.
His main sin, I mean, it's like JFK, right?
He was a philanderer.
He was from a mob family.
I think someone in his family killed a woman or something like that.
There's all these weird stories and he was cheating on his wife, whatever.
But that wasn't the crime that he was executed for.
He was executed probably for opposing the whole Demona nuclear weapons acquisition scheme of Israel at the time and trying to subject them to a nuclear authority.
And for that, he was assassinated.
And it's the same with Stalin.
He was against Zionism.
He turned against it, started promoting Arab nationalism as a bulwark.
And for that, he was assassinated.
Right. Interesting.
Certainly a lot of the Arab nationalist movements were sponsored by the Russians, weren't they?
In that period from about the 50s and 60s.
Yeah, it's a legacy of Stalin's pivot.
I see.
Interesting. Oh, you've got to remind me, never ever eat macadamia nuts before you do a podcast, because I'm still choking on them.
Okay, so let me get this straight.
So the Zionists in the West are the neocons.
That's the ones that control the right, the ones that made this deal with the American right, that they would help the American right destroy the USSR, because these guys all know Russian, they all have contacts within the Soviet government, you know, they're all running these dissident networks on the other side of the Iron Curtain.
And they come over to the West, and they're like, we'll help you take down the USSR, and that's the birth of neoconism.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. Oh, that's a great three-part series of mine.
Have you seen the HBO series Chernobyl?
Okay, great.
Actually, all of it is just pure propaganda, Soviet propaganda.
That's the most amazing thing.
There's actually been so much stuff that's come out about Chernobyl in the last 10 years.
Stuff that I think just blows the lid on the whole thing.
I mean, very, very well-researched stuff.
And I go over all the inaccuracies in the film, and they are so glaring.
Like there's this famous scene where there are these people on the bridge watching the radiation spill out of the plant, and then it starts snowing, radioactive ash, and they're playing in the ash.
And then it says, there's like a screen with the text on it and it says, everybody who was on the bridge of death died.
That's why it's called the bridge of death.
Nobody died on that bridge.
That's not why it's called the bridge of death.
It's because of a traffic accident that occurred there earlier.
There was nobody there.
It's a total myth.
HBO totally made it up.
And that sort of sets the standard for the rest of the story, how accurate it is.
Well, so how do I blame Andrapa for it?
Well, it's basically, you have to understand who this Professor Legasov was, who was played by...
Oh, what's his name?
He's a good actor.
I think he's British.
Yeah, me too.
What? Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Well, it's recording now anyway, so let's hope the first bit recorded.
You still there?
Yeah, yeah.
So, sorry, we're on the guy who played the...
Who was the actor?
I don't know, I was going to ask you.
I'm going to look it up.
Chernobyl cast.
Chernobyl. I mean, it was very well done, but...
Oh. Jared Harris?
Was it?
Yeah, it looks like him.
Jared Harris Jared Harris
As Legasov, yeah?
Yeah, Legasov, Legasov, the professor.
He's... They give the account...
Which is like the official Soviet propaganda account.
And the funny thing is that the show portrays the Soviet Union as like a corrupt husk of everybody basically cutting corners.
And that's what caused the explosion.
And so there's a famous scene, or I guess a popular scene, where they're in the courtroom and the gossip basically summarizes the whole plot of the show and how the Chernobyl event happened.
And every single component of his proof is false.
And it's laughably false.
Like, just you don't need to know nuclear science to understand that this guy, that the testimony he gave, first of all, he went to Vienna and he gave a testimony there.
And it was so, like, embarrassingly, first it was applauded by everybody in the West.
They said it was an amazing bit of honesty and heart searching and blah, blah, blah.
But it was revealed, like, within the next 18 months that it was total fabrication, total lie.
Legas have completely lied.
Through his whatever.
And it's been taken down off the site of the IEA.
IAEA, and they tried to pretend that they never entered it in.
Like, it should never have been accepted, but it was peer-reviewed.
It was everybody, the council rubber-stamped it.
Everyone loved it.
And it was just such a stupid hoax, and they all fell for it.
So, I mean, and that's the narrative that we get in the show.
Like, this total hoax report that the IAEA is too embarrassed to even admit that they...
And so in that courtroom scene, he explains, for example, just off the top of my head, that the rods that the Soviet Union had decided to save money by like tipping, like there's supposed to be boron and boron is supposed to soak in the radioactivity to slow down the reaction.
But for some reason, they had cut costs and they made the tips of the rods graphite.
And graphite actually accelerates the reaction.
And so what happened was while the rods were being lowered in to the radioactive core,
Yeah, yeah.
I can believe that.
It's just a total fabrication.
It does sound implausible now you sort of say it.
Do you remember that scene?
Yeah, of course.
I was very taken with the whole thesis.
And I bought it because one can buy into the idea that antiquated Soviet technology combined with sort of communist...
Intransigence, etc., etc., and reluctance to admit the truth to authorities, to higher authorities, etc., cover-ups.
It's pushing it an open door, isn't it, for a Western audience?
Yeah, it's just like the whole Putin must be the savior thing.
Well, you know...
Kind of makes sense.
I mean, the West, for some reason, wants to bomb his country and they're saying all these mean things about him in the press.
Maybe he's the good guy.
They are very mean.
It's true.
Yeah. I can see how, like, I mean, that's what they rely on.
They rely on people using these common sense, rough guesstimate heuristics, you know?
So, that's just one egregious example.
I gave you the...
They also said, like, that these divers who had gone...
Diving to open the gates that they had all died and they were these heroes.
They didn't die.
It was the hero miners that went in there.
They all volunteered.
There were no hero miners.
Forget about the miners thing.
They don't show what happens to the miners.
They talk about the divers, the ones who went into...
We get the pumps and the water flowing in.
So they said that they all died.
They didn't all die.
Two of them are still alive today.
One of them died many years later.
They have social media.
So what you're saying is that they are as alive as the Challenger shuttle crew.
No, no.
I'm saying they are very alive.
Yes, so is the Challenger shuttle crew.
Oh, I didn't...
Did you not know that one?
No. Oh, Rory, you've got to look into this one.
Okay. I mean, when you've got...
Yeah, you remember the Challenger shuttle disaster?
Not really.
You saw it explode live, didn't you?
Possibly. You saw the schoolteacher die.
You knew her name.
It was all fake.
Okay. So what you're talking about here is just...
Was it just essentially another...
Yeah, yeah.
No, I get really deep into this.
And so let's go a little deeper.
So first of all, who ran the nuclear everything in the Soviet Union, the KGB?
The guy who Legasov was a KGB asset.
What's interesting...
Is that Andropov wrote, he predicted the Chernobyl disaster before it occurred.
He said, you know that whole explanation about RBMK reactors and how that they could be unstable because XYZ, the thing that they put in that scene in the show, that's from a paper written by Andropov.
And Rapa's KGB, I don't remember how many years, but at least 10 years before the events of Chernobyl, published a paper about the dangers of the RBMK reactor and saying that there's a very good chance we'll have an accident on our hands.
It's a bit like Event 201 in 2019, you know, three years before COVID really kicked off.
So they prepare the ground, they sow the seeds.
Absolutely. Absolutely!
So, I might understand that there was no...
Because in the West, we were sold stories about radioactive clouds flying over Cumbria in Northern England and making sheep radioactive and stuff like that.
Was any of it real?
No, not really.
I mean, like, look...
Here's the thing.
Okay, here's another example.
In that show, they depict a helicopter flying over trying to drop sand or something into the core.
And it gets hit by radiation and it crumples and falls out of the air.
That never happened.
No, but I didn't believe that even when I was watching it.
So I can get that.
But was there any kind of meltdown which caused the radioactive leak that endangered that?
No. What happened was an explosion went off.
And we don't know the source of the explosion, but everything is consistent with a bomb going off.
Or some sort of...
I mean, you could even find this on YouTube.
Like, there's these people who are really into Chernobyl, and it's not like one of the topics that's...
I haven't been marked for censorship yet.
You can find the story.
And what's interesting is that the Jewish connection in all of this is so glaring.
So there's this film called Stalker.
Have you heard of this film?
It's by Tarkovsky, a very famous...
I have heard of it, yeah.
Stalker, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's sort of the theme of my blog.
I call myself and my readers stalkers and I call it the zone It's where weird things happen and ancient mysteries are revealed.
That's the whole theme of my blog is based on that movie Plus the subsequent video games
Should I watch, Stalker?
Yeah. I don't think the moon landing was real,
but at the same time, some of the proofs that they bring up in these films are just like, well, you know, there's no way anyone would have figured that out if you hadn't told them that.
Tarkovsky's film is nowhere near that level of obtuseness or hidden.
It's so in your face if you actually know something about Chernobyl, what's going on there.
The setting of the thing, the movie, is you literally see a nuclear power plant right in the background that it starts the movie and it ends the movie.
And there's just so many things.
I list it all in an article of all the things.
For example, the destination that they're going to.
You've seen the film, right?
I'm not spoiling it for you.
I haven't seen it, no.
I want to...
Okay, I'm not going to ruin this.
This is not ruining it for you.
It's given to you up front.
There's this...
The goal of the movie is that there's this zone where something happened.
They don't tell you what happened.
Some sort of ecological catastrophe happened.
And weird stuff started happening in the zone.
So it's become like this no man's land.
But there are these special people called the stalkers who go into this no man's land called the zone and...
The story begins when two characters, they call themselves the writer and the other one's the professor.
They pay the stalker to take them into the zone because they're both having existential crises.
And the stalker tells them that, look, it's a journey and you have to be very careful and you have to follow the rules of the zone.
Otherwise, things are going to end up bad for you.
But if you can get to the final destination, which is something called room number four, there your wishes can be fulfilled.
Just take a guess at what the number of the reactor was that went off in Chernobyl.
It definitely went before.
Yeah, wow.
So there's just so many things, and he's obviously talking about radiation in the film, and there's...
I mean, look, listen, now that I've told you this, just watch the film.
There's no way you would not understand that it's about Chernobyl.
So it was known, basically, that it was going to happen.
It was planned.
In fact, there were previous mini-Chernobyls that had happened.
There was one in Leningrad.
And the whole thesis about the RBMK reactor, that was put out by the top KGB guy himself.
And finally, the Jewish angle.
This was...
So the location of it, it's a very famous town in sort of Eastern Hasidic Judaism.
It was basically the center of their Hasidic Jewry thing.
Many of their most famous rabbis are from this place, Chernobyl.
And does it mean wormwood?
Is that right?
Yes, yes.
And it relates to a prophecy in the Bible.
And there's all these weird occult references about...
And it also means the meat grinder.
Which is important.
Watch the film and you'll understand why.
And so basically it's a place where it was prophesied that there would be a burnt offering where they would atone to their God and it would open the way for them to go to Israel.
And yes, the survivors, so-called, of this tragedy in the town was disproportionately Jewish.
It was like almost entirely Jewish.
All the firefighters were Jewish, for example.
Why do you think HBO did this beautiful homage to it?
HBO is like the most Jewish.
I mean, this is basically like the next Schindler's List to them.
And even the dates, if you look into Gematria, the dates that were chosen for it, first of all, it falls on the...
I forget if it's Passover or Purim.
Second of all, the date is very important because how does Gematria work?
You take these dates and then you look at which numbers correspond in the Bible to it, and it corresponds to Exodus.
And so it was seen as a signal to leave for Israel.
In fact, because of Chernobyl, 200,000 Jews were given permission to migrate to Israel directly because they claimed that they were affected by the environmental...
So it's a very direct, there's no need to, like, straight up.
Like, it was, they claimed that they, and it's an amazing, it's like, it's an amazing tragedy, right?
Like, it's invisible.
It's killing everybody, but you won't find out until 30 years from now.
And the government has to pay your pensions.
They still pay these 200,000 or 300,000 affected Jewish families.
They still get paid by the Russian government, get pensions paid out because of the Chernobyl disaster.
They're still alive.
You know how many people died from the Chernobyl thing total?
I think it was 31. 31 people died.
I'm surprised it was that many.
Well, some of them seem like cover-ups.
There's these weird disappearances.
No one knows what happened to them.
The animals in that whole area are totally fine.
In fact, there was fighting in Chernobyl during this war.
The Russians...
They dug trenches right up to the factory, to the power plant.
And even the whole thing about the sarcophagus and how it's leaking radiation and they need more money, that's just a scam.
They're just stealing money from you.
Just a grift.
Yeah. I can well believe this.
I'm really enjoying talking to you, Rurik, because it makes a real change.
I normally speak to podcasters and...
Tin full hat, lunatics, people like myself, in the West.
And we in the West, I think, we conspiracy theory types, have a certain number of received ideas.
And one is that we become so obsessed that all the ills of the world are in our own countries.
So we think of, you know, if you're British, you think, well, the royal family are all Satanists.
What else?
You think MI5 and MI6, they're bad guys, and the City of London is an evil entity.
And then you go to America and you think, yeah, you think the Federal Reserve and the central bankers who helped bankroll the Second World War and the First World War, and you think of Hollywood, you know, the evil propaganda machine and the CIA and stuff.
It's easy to become so obsessed with this stuff that you forget that similar operations are taking place on the other side of what used to be the Iron Curtain.
The Russian film, the Soviet film industry, for example, Tarkovsky, the name that we all conjure with, one of the great directors that all film critics revere.
This guy was as much part of the propaganda machine as his counterparts in the US, say.
Well, I don't know about that.
I think he was exiled from the USSR, but he did seem to know about what was coming.
Oh, you think he was a goodie?
I think he was disillusioned like Kubrick was.
I think Kubrick really was disillusioned.
I think he was killed, possibly, and I think he was.
That's on some level, not on like the most insane, sort of nitpicky level, but on some level he was engaged in some form of disclosure with his movies.
I feel the same way about Tarkovsky.
There's some consistent...
I mean, he was accused of anti-Semitism because of his films.
And you can watch Stalker and it's really just like one scene in it where the writer refers to himself as like a miserable creature that can't see joy in anything, that has no spiritual potential, that his mind is always in the muck and he's a very crass and material thing and he compares himself to the wandering Jew.
And he got in big trouble for that, and you can still read reviews calling him an anti-Semite.
But at the same time, the fact that he even got his start in his career, it was so controlled in the Soviet Union.
There was no way to be an outsider coming in.
He was part of it on some level.
He did get disillusioned with it.
And you do see these very subtle themes in his film, if you know where to look.
But you're right.
Everything that you said about this focus and say...
The regional focus on the regional conspiracies.
Nobody knows about the conspiracies of the Slavlands.
That's basically what I try and do.
I try and share this stuff because I know for a fact Westerners have never heard of it.
They've never heard of this KGB guy who was the most powerful man even after his death.
They've never heard of this Chernobyl theory.
They never heard about...
Oh, man, I could go on.
I list a lot of these different theories on the blog.
So that's what I call the zone, you know?
Well, I'm sure that our chat will turn a lot of my listeners to your substack, etc.
Because I imagine also you get a lot of grief, a lot of stick from certain Western conspiracy theorists.
Because after all, when you go down the rabbit hole, Things seem very, very bleak for a long period as you realise just how many lies you've been told about the nature of the world and just how evil it truly is.
And then you start looking around for glimmers of hope.
You cling to this idea that somewhere there are some good guys or somewhere that there is an alternative to all this horror.
And often like a drowning man touching at a straw, people turn to, as you said, Xi and Putin, you know, like, okay, China is authoritarian and kind of communist, but President Xi is not for the New World Order,
and neither is Putin.
And I imagine when you say that, actually, yeah, guys, these are just as bad, people don't want to hear this.
Well, I haven't even made my case for why I think Putin is bad yet to your listeners.
Oh, go on then.
Are you going to go there now?
Well, yeah, I mean, I would love to, but you're absolutely right, first of all.
It's just, I think, you brought up Xi, I just, I can't help it, but Xi, didn't he spend like four years in Ohio and he's like this huge Americanophile?
And I would bet...
So much money.
I would bet a year's proceeds from my Substack blog that he parks his money in Canada.
I just know.
It came out that his family hoarded away $100 billion or something like that.
It came out in the press or something.
Whatever. Why Canada?
Well, that's where all the Chinese elites stash their money.
They used to do it in America.
It was very easy.
I mean, the whole thing about China, who fueled the rise of China?
Who gave them all this technology and capital?
These people were dirt poor.
It was America.
You don't do that.
And then all of a sudden, oh, oops, we lost control.
We just created this superpower.
And they're actually really red-pilled and anti-globalist and based and they want to save the world from the evil.
The evil satanic West.
Even on the face level, come on people.
This is ridiculous.
Who built China up?
It's America who built it up.
You don't build up your enemy.
You build up a nice little straw man that you can start a war with, knock them over.
This is a key point in my blog and this is my case against Putin.
And pretty much every single...
Other modern leader of the late 20th century onwards.
It's that people don't understand this key concept.
The concept that it is better to go to war with your friends than it is to go to war against your enemies.
You see, your enemies can actually hurt you, right?
If like they're actually fighting back, they might actually inflict damage on you.
So it's actually much better to start a war with a government that you control.
This logic just totally blows people's minds away.
Like they can't wrap their head around it.
And I just give them example after example after example of exactly what I'm talking about of moments in U.S. foreign policy.
I'll give you an example right now.
Saddam Hussein.
Who put Saddam Hussein in power in Iraq?
Who toppled Saddam Hussein?
It's the same people.
And then, you know, I build the case that Saddam Hussein was working for the Americans.
For example, before he went into Kuwait, he asked permission from the American ambassador.
He did.
Yes, you can.
All right.
He did a lot of weird stuff that would be very consistent with what an agent of subversion would do to undermine their own country if they were so inclined.
But even without all that stuff in the middle where I believe that he was actively working against the interests of his own people, gassing his own people, just activating.
First of all, he was a buffoon.
And this really comes out.
If you, like, look at the artwork that they seized, you know, he depicts himself as, like, He-Man or, like, on a chariot or as, like, a gladiator.
Just, like, really, like, like some sort of...
Like what a Guido in New Jersey would think is high taste.
Like something that Trump would think is high taste.
Like a golden Big Mac.
Or like a golden crapper.
Very, very ostentatious, goofy stuff.
But all that stuff in the middle, you don't have to believe me, but it's all there.
It's all true that he was undermining Iraq from within that whole time.
You could still just look at the fact that the people who put him into power then toppled him.
You can go down the list of...
There are very many examples of this happening over and over again.
Another one is the easy one, the Taliban, the Mujahideen.
Who is supporting this whole movement in Afghanistan of Muslim renaissance resistance against the USSR?
People know this.
It was the Americans, right?
And then who goes into Iraq ten years later to topple the same people that they had armed, trained and supported previously?
I can name South American governments that they've done this.
I can name African governments where they've done this.
This is not a conspiracy theory.
This is a fact of foreign policy.
And what they do, and Julian Assange talks about this in his book, WikiLeaks...
Oh, what's it called?
Whatever. There's only one book, so people can just Google the WikiLeaks book.
In that book, he explains the whole process.
He explains it as like a technology or like a method.
And what you want to do is you want to install these strong men into power who will destroy the country from within.
Ripening it up for invasion or civil war or some sort of coup down the line.
And so the goal, basically, the world is divided into these zones.
So you have the core zone.
That's England, France.
Germany, America, Korea, Japan.
And these places are kept very, very stable politically.
Even though they have these dynamic democracies and everything like that, nothing ever changes.
Nothing is allowed to change.
It has to be stable because this is the core.
This is the Wallenstein theory of the world.
I think it works.
And then you have the semi-periphery and you have the periphery.
Point being is that everything that's not the core has to be kept in a state of chaos.
And the way you do that is through these non-stop meddling in their affairs.
And so even though you might topple Saddam Hussein, your goal was chaos.
And that's why you put him into power in the first place.
Because you knew that this guy would destroy his country from within.
That's why they supported the mullahs.
It was with American help that the Iranian government came to power.
They overthrew the Shah.
But wait!
The Shah was supported by the British.
Why would they topple the Shah?
Because they do this all the time.
They prop up somebody.
They knock him out.
They want to create favorable conditions for chaos.
So, when you get rid of the strongman, chaos ensues.
You put another idiot into power who's going to loot his country.
Assad is a great example of that as well.
You know, Assad was looting his country.
People don't like it when I say this, but he and his family were a crime network.
You know, they were just beating, imprisoning people, murdering people.
I'm not saying that the headchoppers are better.
I'm not saying, I mean, they're going to probably kill a lot of people now.
And I'm not saying I support Israel or whatever.
But Assad's family was a criminal mafia organization.
And they were some of, probably the biggest drug runners.
Well, I can't compare, but they were a huge drug hub, and it was practically the only thing keeping their government afloat.
And everyone knows this.
Everyone in the know knows this.
This idea that he's this saintly savior of the Christians, this is all just propaganda.
This is all this goody-baddy nonsense.
Assad helped the Americans invade Iraq.
Assad was running...
Torture sites for the CIA and other organizations on Syrian territories so that the Constitution wouldn't apply to them.
Assad was laughing at Gaddafi when Gaddafi said, Arabs should unite.
The Americans are going to kill us off one by one.
He's on tape laughing at Gaddafi's face when he said this.
He said he was always on America's good side.
He was always trying to suck up to America.
This is a fact.
And yet people will say, so what, you're saying that, but then why would they get rid of him?
Why would they want to get rid of him?
Look, I can explain that to you, but just acknowledge the facts that people who were put into power or supported by Americans or who played ball with the Americans, who were friendly with the Americans, end up getting toppled by the Americans anyway.
It's just a fact.
I hope that makes sense.
So apply this now to Ukraine, Russia.
Right. Putin is the exact same thing.
Putin was appointed by Kissinger, who was the successor of Andropov.
So Finkelstein was Andropov's real name, and this guy was called Fleckenstein.
I forget what his fake Russian name was, but he was the next...
Andropov. Chenenko?
No. No, no, no.
Well, I mean, yeah, that guy took the general secretary position next.
But no, the next KGB slash FSB guy.
It'll come to me.
It'll come to me.
But his real name, it doesn't matter.
They all choose these fake names.
He has a Jewish real name.
His name was Fleckenstein.
And so he meets with Kissinger and together – and Yeltsin was there as well – and together they appoint Putin.
This is an article that you can read in The Unheard.
These are memoirs pretty much, memoirs from Kissinger and from other people who were there in those days sharing about how Putin was picked.
So this guy in Putin's biography, for example, he talks about how he's aspirationally Jewish.
Putin is not Jewish, no?
Ethnically, I don't know.
Some people say he is, but I don't know.
I can't be 100% sure.
He looks like just recently there was this Israeli soldier that died in an IDF operation.
His name is David Bogdanovich or something like that, and he was Orthodox, and so they put a cross on his gravestone, the IDF gravestone, and it kept getting desecrated by rabbis, and people were complaining about it, so they had it removed.
And you can look at the photo of the dead IDF soldier and he looks like Putin's son, like identical face.
And some people say Putin's mother, her name was Shmelovna or something like that.
And the thing is, is that all of the leaders of the USSR and Russia and all the post-Soviet states, their backgrounds are total black boxes.
We actually, we don't have their birth certificates.
People have looked into it.
We don't know where, we don't, they have conflicting stories.
All we know is that there's a scrubbing operation where if they were in any way involved with the KGB, we don't know their background.
It's all a fake story and sometimes they're sloppy and they'll tell one story earlier in their life and then the guy gets a promotion and so they come up with a second story.
We don't know about Putin's background.
He claims he grew up in St. Petersburg and his father was some...
I've heard that he was a war hero or that he was a cook.
What? It shows that it's recording for me, the red dot.
And the timer still says recording and it's still ticking.
Uh-huh.
Anyway, still going.
Keep going.
Well, anyway, what I'm saying is it's a black box.
I don't know.
I've seen these supposed documents proving that his mother was a Jewish.
I don't know.
He does look Jewish.
And all I will tell you is just the above surface.
This is not conspiracy stuff that I'm going to tell you right now.
In his book, he claims he's basically aspirationally Jewish.
And the reason why is because when he was growing up, he was poor.
And he had this neighbor who was a religious Orthodox, a Jewish Orthodox man.
And he would come over to his place to study Torah together.
So he was being tutored in the Torah by his Jewish neighbor.
I think he was a rabbi as well.
And then later, when he's getting his start in organized crime, he joins the judo gang run by this...
His Jewish neighbor.
And everybody in the gang is Jewish.
So the sensei is Jewish.
There's these Rottenberg, I think they're called, brothers.
And they're the two of the top most powerful oligarchs in Russia right now.
So they were also in this Jewish judo gang.
And there's some other people in it.
And so it would basically mean that Putin is the only non-Jewish guy in this little mafia clique.
So, Putin has these weird connections.
He also writes in his biography that like, well, another thing is when his sensei, this judo sensei, died in Israel, Putin went over there and it was a big event and he cried and the media reported about it.
And, you know, Putin's been called like the most pro-Israel president in Russia's entire history.
There's other stuff in the book, like, you know, he says he was very drawn to the Torah, which, okay, I mean, you can sort of spin that as saying, and that's why he wanted to become an Orthodox Christian.
And he also had another teacher, German teacher, who was Jewish and moved to Israel in the fourth grade.
So, 60 years later, Putin tracks her down in Israel and gifts her an apartment.
And plays it up in the media and everything and talks about...
You know, what a great friend to the Jewish people he is and everything like that.
It just goes on and on and on.
And then everybody who surrounds him is Jewish.
And he gave his daughter off in marriage to a Jewish oligarch.
You know, so there's all this other stuff.
I don't know if he's actually Jewish, but he, you know, sometimes he acts like it, I guess.
At least he's aspirationally Jewish.
We know that much.
Now, so we start, so this guy, I've already told you a little bit about his career, his background.
He joins the KGB.
And he said, like a lot of people who end up inheriting power in the post-Soviet space, he's somewhere outside of Russia.
He's in these border territories.
And he's involved in some sort of operation related to racketeering.
He's basically like, you know, there was a lot of black market smuggling going on at the time.
And he's somehow tasked with doing something about that.
Of course, all of his friends who end up becoming powerful oligarchs are making money off of these types of operations, right?
So you have a closed Soviet market and they're smuggling in Western electronics or whatever, jeans, CDs.
The KGB is supposed to be shutting that down, and Putin is part of that division.
Yet, all of his friends, basically a lot of them make their fortunes doing just that, which is an interesting coincidence.
In fact, the patriarch of Russia, the so-called Kirill, he got his start as a cigarette smuggler.
Did he?
Yeah. That they would be committing a grave sin if they didn't get vaccinated.
Oh, I thought...
Because there was a story during the rounds that one of the Russian patriarchs was saying that the vax was like the mark of the beast, I thought.
Well, there's only one patriarch.
Oh, okay, so maybe I'm wrong.
No, it was his second-in-command.
It's a guy called Metropolitan Ilarion who just got busted on a pedo scandal in Hungary.
No! So the guy who was right about the jabs is also a pedo?
No, no.
The guy who was saying it's a sin to not get jabbed turned out to be a pedo in Hungary.
Oh, okay.
Sorry, but who was the orthodox guy in Russia who was saying that they were like the mark of the beast?
I don't know.
I mean, there was hundreds of low-level people who were saying stuff like that.
But one guy got excommunicated very publicly for that.
Another guy was sieged in a monastery.
He and his buddies had helped build this woman's convent.
And he was sort of serving as whatever, the appointed guy there.
And he came out with these statements and he was called an anti-Semite by the church.
And so they seized this convent that he had constructed.
So he and his followers boarded themselves up and they had this whole siege and shootout with the SWAT equivalent.
Yeah, it was a crazy time.
There was all these weird stories of COVID dissidents being defrocked or whatever.
Because there was this story we were sold in the West, particularly in Western conspiracy circles, that unlike the West, China and Russia had not succumbed to this evil death jab.
No, total nonsense.
Edward Slavskot, he's sort of like a partner blogger.
He writes more about the bio security agenda 2030 COVID shots and killing champions.
No, it was a brutal lockdown in Russia.
I mean, you couldn't go outside your house.
Police were hounding you if you went into the wrong sector of the city, if you went to the lake to feed your ducks.
People get really mad.
I mean, these are official decrees.
These are official laws.
There were official pass cards made.
Biometric technology was used.
The entire sections were shut down or cordoned off.
Everybody who actually knows somebody who lives in Russia can share these stories with you, and yet these Western conspiracy theorists, they refuse to believe it.
It's incredible.
Okay, so now we've laid that ghost to rest.
Okay, so Putin is a baddie working for this kind of...
I can pick up the story and summarize it real quick.
Like you said, I got into the details and digressed.
It's fun though.
So we started with the fact that he has this weird childhood.
We don't really know.
It's a black box.
He meets this rabbi who basically sets him up for life, gets him his first job, joins the KGB.
Suspicious activities with the KGB.
Comes back to Russia.
He starts working for a mob boss in St. Petersburg, the guy who runs the city.
And this guy was just sending helicopters full of money to France, where he was stashing it, and then to Switzerland.
This is a guy called Sabianyan.
Very famous.
And Putin was dressed like a mafia guy at the time.
He had this purple, double-vested...
You think of an Italian gangster, these ostentatious...
Putin was dressed like that.
You can find the photos.
He was also wearing Adidas track pants with his blazers.
It was a wild time.
You could get away with that sort of thing.
He was basically a goon.
He was a goon working for this guy who was stealing artwork from the famous museums in St. Petersburg.
This guy was married to this famous Jewish, very powerful political woman.
Oh, sorry.
It wasn't Sabianyan.
It was Sobchak, the mayor.
This is important because he married this very famous Jewish woman.
They had a daughter together.
And the daughter's name is Ksenia Sobchak.
And she is like the Paris Hilton of Russia.
And she's the goddaughter of Putin.
So, I mean, no other country has these crazy stories.
But she's like a porn star.
We have this reality show called Big Brother.
There was an American show called Big Brother.
Do you have that in England?
Yeah, yeah.
So she was the one who set up Big Brother over in Russia.
So she basically set up the reality TV circuit, played a big hand in that.
And her mother is this famous basically baroness of Jewish oligarch.
And her father was this famous mobster from St. Petersburg who was...
Putin's boss.
Anyway, so Sabchak, the father, gets killed in a suspicious helicopter explosion.
And so Putin then says that this daughter is now under my protection.
And so she's basically been running wild in Russia for the last 20 years.
She's doing the most degenerate, crazy stuff and nobody can touch her because her godfather is Putin himself.
Can you believe it?
Every granny knows this story.
This is not a conspiracy theory.
This is like basic-tier, normie-tier knowledge about Russia.
And these people don't even know it.
They don't care.
They get offended if I share it with them.
It's like, Jesus.
Get it together, guy.
But yeah, so why did I bring it all up?
I took another digression on the story of Putin.
But these are the circles that he's, you know, tell me you're the five people that you surround yourself with and I will tell you who you are.
You've heard that expression.
I'm sure we all have.
Apparently it doesn't apply to politicians because we look at who Trump surrounds himself with.
We look at who Farage maybe surrounds himself with.
We look at who Putin has his whole life surrounded himself with.
Don't pay any attention to the people he likes to hang out with.
So Putin finally...
So that's to start into formal politics as this goon, a henchman for Sobchak.
Sobchak dies.
Putin sort of succeeds him.
Him and the Judo gang, it's still called the Judo gang.
Putin's inner circle to this day is still referred to as the Judo gang or the Judo circle.
They come to Moscow.
From there, he's recommended to Boris Yeltsin and he starts working under Boris Yeltsin.
Yeltsin's health starts declining because of his alcoholism and his mental health crisis.
Actually, Yeltsin had Done a lot of LSD over in California.
So he'd taken this trip to America, to the Big Sur, where they had those hot baths, those hot springs with the salts and the Epsom salts and the hallucinogens.
This guy was getting high in California, and the legend goes that while he was getting high in these baths and tripping, the idea came to him to destroy the Soviet Union.
That's one of those stranger-than-fiction stories.
That's Yeltsin we're talking about.
Yeah, Yeltsin.
Quite a character.
They basically have to find a successor.
And actually, the successor was supposed to be Lukashenko, who is now the leader of Belarus.
In fact, Lukashenko was supposed to become the successor after Yeltsin.
They even signed a document in 1997 basically saying Lukashenko is next.
But Putin subverted him, or usurped him.
What won out was basically Putin was accepted by the Western intelligence community.
He was like, yeah, this is our guy.
He got the kiss of blessing from Kissinger.
Putin has always been open about this.
He says Kissinger has been his mentor, close friend.
Every time Kissinger showed up in Moscow, he had the red carpet rolled out to him.
This is a guy who engineered the collapse of the USSR.
You know, who's working tirelessly to destroy the USSR who did that whole China thing with Nixon, right?
And yet he's treated as a hero by Putin in Russia.
Why? Because Putin is part of this project to destroy the USSR that I mentioned earlier in the podcast.
He's part of that faction that did do it, that did implode the USSR.
And he's part of a new elite, this rubber-baron KGB elite that came to power in the ashes of what was destroyed.
The nationalism of the USSR was eliminated.
The economic self-sufficiency was...
Taken away.
The factories were chopped up.
The military was significantly degraded.
In fact, Putin, his military policy has always been to appoint these Jewish thieves to be in charge of the military.
So, for example, before we had Shoigu, who's Jewish, by the way, his family's from a Menshevik family that was exiled to Siberia, and there they mixed with the local...
boss a local chieftain and that's the shoigu line so people think he's like some sort of asian buddhist or something like
that. No, he's half Menshevik.
That's why he's somebody in Moscow.
They wouldn't let some Yahoo shaman horse rider from Mongolia occupy such a powerful position.
He's from a Menshevik family.
okay
Okay? Anyway, and before that, we had Serdyakov, who was also a Jewish guy, defense minister.
And this guy stole so much from the Russian military.
He was just looting it.
It was so extreme that even Putin was like, okay, you got to rein it in here.
And under that period of time, that's when the Russian army was definitively turned into the American army.
They took the model of the American-style war on terror model, where you'd have a Basically a small mercenary force of professional soldiers who would be, you know, deployed in these various, like, I don't know...
So lucrative oil rich territories or whatever, and you would do away with the national army, you would do away with the entire military caste, because in the Soviet Union, the military was a very powerful institution.
It used to be more powerful, but then the KGB defeated the military as a faction by assassinating the military.
Long story short, Putin's job was to eliminate the military People, their prestige, their money, and the institution by gutting it, by gutting it and cutting it and reforming it.
Russia's war doctrine is based on America's.
They copied it from the Americans using American advisors.
And they were open about it.
They were bragging about it.
This is the so-called Gerasimov doctrine.
And so these idiot bloggers and these shills will say that Russia has this amazing war strategy.
And it's like, no, they don't.
It's just a watered-down American version.
So it's sad even on that level how little they know.
So that's another important thing.
Also, Putin is implicated in the deaths of some important generals.
And the Chechen wars were a hoax.
Everybody who was anybody in the leadership in the Chechen resistance was in a KGB dungeon at some point.
Miraculously, they get released.
Suddenly, they find training, weapons, support, and they set up these networks in Chechnya, in the Caucasus, and all of a sudden, drugs show up in the Caucasus, and then massive drug problems start in Russia.
They started before that with Afghanistan, but still.
And who distributes all the drugs?
Of course, it's the KGB slash FSB.
Everybody knew it.
And you just go down the list and basically Putin's involved in every single major hoax and false flag of the last 20-some years of his presidency.
And I can just go down the full list of all the things that were either fake or some sort of self-aggrandizing thing or not what they seemed.
The point being that this guy was appointed and when he got into office, his economic policy, it's what you would call neoliberal austerity measures.
Russia's been on neoliberal austerity measures ever since Putin took office.
And the entire economic policy of Russia is written by Western organizations, these international globalist organizations.
His top economic lady, Nabulina, she openly talks about it.
Russia is on an austerity model.
They're basically squeezing Russia dry and sending all the money over to these banks in London, no offense, or wherever.
It's the same model that they've applied to Greece.
Russia's had it for as long as Putin's been in power.
So this idea that there's a Russian national economy or that they don't have a Rothschild centralized bank, it's a total myth.
It's just a lie.
Yeah. Yeah.
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Just to summarize then, basically I'm saying everything Putin has done over the last 20 years has been an attempt to undermine Russia.
He's destroyed the military.
He's destroyed the economy, the economic model that the Soviet Union had, which at least was self-sufficient.
And he's done nothing to prevent NATO expansion.
He's lost all of Russia's allies.
Domestically, it's a disaster.
Birth rates have never been lower.
Last year was a record low, worse than even the 90s.
Nothing to do with all the deaths.
This is just a record low birth rate.
Everything about this man is a disaster.
And yet everyone in the West who's considered patriotic or anti-globalist, they think this man is the best thing that's ever happened to Russia.
It's incredible.
And is Trump in on this?
Well, I mean, look, the connection between Trump and Putin is Chabad.
I mean, the Kushner family is from Belarus.
They're called Kushnir, right?
Charles Kushner, his family is from Belarus.
Actually, he's from the Chernobyl area.
It's funny.
I didn't think that would come up.
They're from that city.
So, I mean, because I think you said that Putin is the most Zionist president that Russia's ever had.
Yeah. Trump is the most Zionist.
U.S. President that America's ever had.
So they're working towards the same goal, perhaps.
What is that goal?
Well, I mean, let me just prove that real quick.
So Russia didn't support Hamas.
First of all, Hamas is a boogeyman organization.
Again, they set up Hamas.
A project by first British intelligence services and then it was taken over by the Israelis.
And it's a very useful boogeyman to justify, to pretend that what you're doing is a war or a policing operation when really it's just a massacre.
There's no real meaningful resistance.
To the Israelis.
And these resistance types that try and act like the Israeli army is being defeated in Gaza, they're actually doing the work of the Israelis for them because their goal is to portray this as like a serious conflict against a serious foe.
And if you claim that thousands of Israelis are being killed by the intrepid Hamas tunnel fighters, you're doing basically Israeli propaganda work for them.
And most of them, I think they're too stupid to realize that, but some of them, I do think it's an Israeli operation, these resistance types.
Ironic. So Assad is the best example of what I'm talking about.
We all know that Putin supposedly went into Syria to save Assad.
And what happened to Assad?
Did Putin save him?
No. In fact, we don't know where Assad is right now.
No one's seen a picture of him.
He's apparently in Moscow.
Is he in some dungeon?
We haven't seen a picture of him and his family.
We don't know where Assad is.
Right. Putin's government is making deals openly with the new government in Damascus and they're saying, yeah, we're willing to cooperate with Russia.
Israel came out and lobbied America to allow Russia to keep those Navy bases, or at least one of them, in Syria.
In 2017, Russia tried to force Assad to step down.
After they intervened, they tried to force him to sign a document saying that he would step down.
And handing over power to the rebels.
Putin has openly said multiple times that he has militarily supported and cooperated with these rebels.
The so-called Free Syrian Army it was called at the time.
And he said that he got that idea from President Macron.
Putin has encouraged Assad to formally partition parts of his own country and give it away to those various rebel groups that have claimed it.
I can go down the list.
This is an official document from 2017 of Moscow's suggestions, and Assad rejected it at the last moment.
But this is the kind of friend that Putin has been for Assad.
There's a lot more to this story.
Israel has bombed Syria with impunity ever since Putin saved Assad.
Putin's never shot down any...
They've even killed Russian fighters, but Putin did nothing.
Can I just go back briefly to the Ukraine war?
I mean, how many Russians and how many Ukrainians have died in it?
Well, I don't know.
The last time I checked was six months ago, and I would say, let's say 130,000 Ukrainians and maybe 150,000 Russians.
Oh, okay.
So, I mean, I've heard different figures.
I've heard like half a million Ukrainians.
Yeah, they were saying that six months into the war.
I was talking about that like in the first winter since, you know, it started in February 22 and then in the same year that was the winter began again.
Yeah, all the big names, all the big names.
Mercurius, what's his name?
Basically, Simplicius, Big Surge, Martianov.
Oh my god.
You go down the list.
Ritter, of course.
How could I forget?
McGregor. All these shills.
Larry Johnson.
They were claiming that anywhere from 2 million to 200,000.
Crazy numbers.
They said that Ukraine had run out of men.
They were all repeating the line, squeezing blood from a stone.
Do you remember that?
Yes, I mean, I've certainly bought into this a lot because, well, I suppose, where are you on Gonzalo Lira?
Look, what happened to him was brutal.
I mean, if he was just tortured to death by the SBU, that's brutal.
But he was a complete liar, I mean, in his reporting.
I mean, no one should be tortured like that to death and And I don't support the SBU or any secret police for that matter.
But no, everything he said was a total lie.
So by your analysis, Russia has lost more men in this war than...
Well, let me just ask, let me punt it over to you.
From your limited, I don't know, you're probably not a military expert.
I'm not a big military expert either.
But don't, haven't you, you know, usually when you have like a castle, And someone attacks your castle.
Doesn't the attacker usually lose more men than the defender?
Yes, that's true.
I mean, I've certainly heard it's something like you need three to one or something to take a fortified position.
And Russia's strategy has been to attack fortified positions in the Donbass head-on with just non-stop meat wave attacks.
For however many years, three years now, this is the entire brilliance of the Russian military strategy.
There have been no encirclements.
There have been no breakthroughs.
They just keep sending waves of prisoners and pensioners and whoever, whatever desperado they can get in these headlong attacks at these fortified Ukrainian strongholds.
And yeah, then they like, yeah, anyway, I mean, obviously.
You're going to have more casualties.
The more extreme position I've heard sometimes argue is that the whole war has been faked.
People say, where's the footage?
There's a lot of footage.
There's footage every day coming out.
Fair enough.
Is Putin and...
Yeah, they openly say this.
I mean, Putin, like everyone ignores what Putin says and they prefer to...
To listen to these bloggers who give them these shadow narratives that this is what Putin meant to say or this is what my inside sources tell me.
If you just look at Putin's public statements, all the time he's saying, we want to be friends with the West.
We thought we were partners.
We're willing to work together with you.
Putin's whole thing was he was trying to get Russia into NATO.
He was doing this up until 2011.
He was pretty dead set on getting Russia.
He wanted Russia into the EU.
So, yeah.
So how does this end?
Is the war going to drag on forever?
Well, my thesis was that there's no reason for the US to end the war.
And, you know, people have been saying this war is going to end soon since basically the first day that it started.
So, these Z-bloggers, Z-Anon as I call them, claimed that the Ukrainian army had been annihilated in the first two weeks.
McGregor has made that claim, by my count, six times.
Six times he said that the Ukrainian army has been totally annihilated by the Russians.
This is nonsense.
Right. What?
Where? How?
It's just...
And people buy it.
People gobble it up.
It's incredible.
Why? Because, oh, he's on our side.
He's a patriot.
He's a little hat.
You know?
He's on Putin's side.
He must be the good guy, right?
So, look.
This war can continue for the next 10 years.
Why wouldn't it?
Look at it from America's point of view.
You have a people that are one people.
Ukrainians and Russians on a genetic level.
Some Ukrainians are more mixed, unfortunately, swarthier, lower IQ. But you also have those types in Russia and the South as well.
But in general, it's the same stock.
Shared history, shared religion, everything.
Obviously, if I could tomorrow get California to go to war against, I don't know, Oregon.
And every single day that this war is continuing.
And I'm an outside power.
I would want to keep that going for as long as possible.
If anything, I would fund both sides of the conflict so that the killing would continue and so that I could make a lot of money.
American defense contractors are supplying the Russians as well.
And this is like open reports, intelligence reports.
I've provided all of it.
And basically, Texas Instruments.
Russia, because of Putin, can't assemble many of the necessary weapons that they need to keep this war fighting, so they have to use American companies' tech.
They have to use Texas Instruments, for example, is one of the main supporters of Russia's war effort, and other such companies.
And it's not even like well hidden.
It's pretty well known within these sort of expert circles.
So again, let's use that example of California and Oregon.
I want as many of these because they're Americans, both of them.
Yeah, I'm sure they have regional differences.
I'm sure they have regional dialects.
I'm sure they both have like squabbles with each other because of like, I don't know, different...
You can find and foment a conflict pretty much within any country or within any nation or people.
I'm sure I could start a fight within England between North English and South English, right?
Oh, you could.
But you're still English, right?
It's remarkable how far things have gotten out of control.
Under that logic, why not keep this thing going for as long as possible?
Ukraine has...
We can easily continue mobilizing more men.
Russia could mobilize men, but Putin refuses to actually raise a Russian army.
He refuses to actually fight a serious war.
He refuses to hit decision-making centers.
He refuses to hit critical infrastructure.
There are Western arms factories that have been set up in Ukraine.
Open! Open!
Like Reins Metal and Turkish drone producers.
Bayrak Katur.
Bayrak, Qatar or something like that, that have, since the war started, opened up massive factories on Ukrainian territory to supply the military needs of the Ukrainian army.
They have not been touched once.
They have not been bombed.
Putin does not touch critical infrastructure in Ukraine.
There's these energy wars that happen between him and Ukraine where they hit each other's pipelines and refineries and substations and stuff like that.
And Russia gets it much worse than Ukraine does.
They don't hit any, like, he doesn't hit the top military HQ.
He doesn't try to assassinate Zelensky.
In fact, the prime minister of, no, not the prime minister, top diplomat, the ambassador, what's his name?
Like, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs equivalent in Israel said that Putin had personally promised the Israeli government that he wouldn't target Zelensky when this SMO started.
In fact, Putin has repeatedly called Zelensky a bad Jew.
And he's basically tried to say, like, I'm the real Jew.
His critique of him is that he's a bad Jew.
It's just incredible.
By the way, Zelensky was put into power with the support of Putin.
And this is just like common knowledge.
This was like the dirt that the opposition was throwing at Zelensky.
And it's coming out now in trials of SBU officers who have been arrested by the Zelensky government because they were receiving support, money, and tasks from the FSB in Russia to put Zelensky into power.
So what happened was this guy called Holomoisky, oligarch in Ukraine, Jewish, he's the guy who founded, he didn't found Azov, but he funded Azov, and he really gave him a...
A big boost.
I think a lot of people have heard of this name, Holomoisky.
He's a pro-Kremlin.
He's friends with most of the top Kremlin oligarchs.
He's always been a pro-Kremlin guy.
And Azov, by the way, he's the guy who said, let's put Zelensky as the president.
Yeah. Putin was fooled yet again.
And now he's a Nazi, apparently, according to Kremlin propaganda.
He's not a Nazi.
He's from the same group of people that you always associate with, but he's reneged on his promises.
It's a turf war.
It's like one big internecine Jewish extended family squabble at the dinner table.
Why did the SMO start?
Putin doesn't give a damn about the Russians.
He doesn't even recognize the Russians as Russians.
The official position is that these are Ukrainians who speak Russian.
And that has never changed.
And another thing is that Putin's government recognized the Maidan government.
In fact, they helped the Maidan government that started this whole thing come to power because they were fed up with Yanukovych because Yanukovych was stealing too much from them.
So Yanukovych was supposedly the pro-Russian guy, but Moscow told him that he's not allowed to use force to put down the so-called, the coup basically, the protests that eventually toppled him from power.
And then for eight years, by the way, Moscow is the one who assassinates most of the Donbass militia leaders.
And you can read what they themselves said.
So the people who were supposedly fighting for independence from Ukraine to join Russia, they were killed off by Moscow.
In some cases, it's ambiguous.
It may have been Kiev that did it.
But in other cases, it's just like cut and dry.
It was obviously a hit ordered from Moscow.
When Moscow took control, so basically Moscow didn't want that rebellion to occur.
And what they were trying to do was basically use it as a threat to leverage the government in Kyiv.
They thought that they could control it, but it spiraled out of control.
But even then, for eight years, Moscow did nothing while Ukraine murdered...
Hundreds of civilians.
And in fact, the media in Russia wouldn't really report on it because they were trying to hush it down because people were really upset about why are we not doing anything about this war situation on our borders.
So why did Putin finally intervene on that fateful February day?
Well, it was because about three months prior to that, the goddaughter of...
I always forget the...
One of them is the godfather to the other's kids.
One of his closest oligarch friends, a guy called Medvedchuk, was arrested by Zelensky in Ukraine.
And Zelensky had also previously turned on his other master, Holomoisky, the guy who helped finance and was a liaison and got him into power.
Zelensky turned on him too, and he arrested him and confiscated his assets.
And he turned on Medvedchuk as well, who was another prominent, I don't know if he's Jewish or not, but he looks at oligarch in eastern Ukraine.
And so his stuff got seized.
And that's basically why it was a rescue operation to get Putin's buddy out of trouble and to basically reinstate the rights and privileges of a lot of these I feel like
we've only scratched the surface here.
I'd love to do another podcast with you because you're a fund of...
I mean, I don't know how much of what you're saying is true, but it's really interesting.
I'd love to know more, but I can't do podcasts longer than a certain time because I just get knackered.
I think this deserves another podcast, don't you?
Sure, sure.
The stuff about what I said, you can read my blog.
What I'm providing here is not high-level...
Very in-depth conspiracy stuff.
This is like really...
It's just a language barrier.
Just basic stuff.
Yeah, like really basic.
To be continued, where can we find your stuff?
Slavland Chronicles on Substack.
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Sure. Thanks for having me.
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Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem, that it's going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when...
The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan...
Who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that it's a disaster,
we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother Gaia.
