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Welcome to the DellingPod, Mellow Cat.
I know it's not your real name.
You're called Catherine, is that right?
Catherine or Cat, yes.
Cat.
The joke was, I had a very good friend, Farmer Jones now.
He said, you know, you should come up with your own name if you're going to be doing any blogging.
And I'm not very mellow.
I'm known to be with my bullhorn outside, you know, back in 2020, protesting the lockdowns.
And so he said jokingly, call yourself Mellow Cat.
And I thought, oh, that's a good one.
And so it stuck and it makes me laugh.
It suits.
And there was I, in my judgmental, ignorant English way, thinking, well, she's Californian, so she's going to think she's mellow.
And it wasn't that at all.
She's probably a hippie.
She was probably christened mellow cat.
You know, no, not a hippie, but definitely very intense sometimes, a little too much for a lot of people.
But also, I have a very playful side as well.
But I've been taking what's happening around the world very seriously.
And sometimes I don't always use the best language.
I'm very fortunate that my interaction that we'll talk about today was actually very calm and balanced.
It was, can I say, I was really impressed.
In fact, let's cut to the chase.
We can find out more about you afterwards, but let's just cut to the chase as to why I'm talking to you.
Going to one of the aerodromes where chemtrail pilots take off and you tracked them down and you confronted them.
And that was great.
How did you manage it?
First of all, how did you find out their address and their names and stuff?
Okay, well, I've been doing this for years and this is actually not my first pilot confrontation, if you will.
It's just the first one that took off.
Right.
So I have been tracking flights on Flightradar24, which is an app, and I self-taught.
So in 2020, I was getting very involved with activism, and I heard a rumor that the FBI would use shell companies to surveil, you know, crowds and protesters, and they could hijack your phone with the Stingray software.
And I always wondered, you know, who's going over me?
But then also, for about 10 years, I had been watching the skies and questioning.
What was happening in our environment.
Prior to having my child, my son, I was oblivious.
Like most people, we work our nine-to-five jobs, we go home, we go out, we're entertained.
We're not really observing the outdoors all day.
And so it was really having my son that opened my eyes to the skies because we would be outside on the lawn playing.
And throughout the day, I would watch the grid patterns.
And then the sun would disappear by four or five o'clock.
Right around the time that people are coming out of their offices from work.
So they weren't able to watch the clear blue sky over time fade because of these persistent contrails.
And at the time, I never had heard about...
I had never heard of a Dane Wigington.
I wasn't even aware that there was a term called chemtrails.
And I was speaking to somebody at the grocery store when I was checking out.
And I said, do you see this?
It was driving me crazy.
I said, this is...
What is this?
And she said...
Those are chemtrails.
And I said, chemtrails?
What are those?
And so that was the very beginning of my journey.
I typed the word, found, of course, Dane Wigington's Geoengineering Watch, and started opening my eyes to some of what people have been fighting for decades now, if not longer, well before I had even noticed.
And at the time, though, it was not...
When I would speak out or mention it on social media, I was mocked mercilessly.
I backed off for a while, but it wasn't until 2020 when we all really understood what was happening, that our government was lying to us, that our public health officials and our experts and our physicians were clueless.
It was then that I really began to open up to so much more, including 9-11 and so many other things.
And so I have had this rapid download for the last five years, and it's been a ride.
It's been a real ride.
You sound like the female Californian version of me, Mellow Cat, because I too was, with hindsight, astonishingly naive about the nature of things.
I just thought the newspapers, their job was to tell us the You know, give us the news.
Tell us about things.
Yeah, yeah.
Report on it.
And that governments were basically a bit incompetent, but ultimately well-intentioned.
Yes, yes.
And so on.
So you got into...
What year did you discover?
Do you have that conversation in the shop about chemtrails?
Probably 2014 or so, roughly.
Okay.
So, yeah.
How long is that now?
Like 11 years ago?
Roughly?
Yeah.
But I didn't become vocal about it.
So then in 2020, then I was trapped.
So I have more pictures in my phone and videos of the sky than I do of anything else in my life because I am documenting morning, afternoon, night.
I've become incredibly fascinated with the skies.
And then also, tracking flight radar, I also wanted to figure out who's attached to some of these.
These persistent, nasty contrails.
It's funny, though, at the time also, again, I didn't talk about this in 2020 because I was very outspoken about the...
I don't know what I can talk about on your show without getting you flagged.
You can call it the death jab.
I always do.
Thank you.
Okay, I call it the bioweapon jab.
I was very outspoken about, number one, our right to refuse the masking and the tests and the bioweapon jab.
And I was very outspoken.
I did a lot of protests.
I was heavily involved.
In fact, I worked, not worked, but volunteered for Children's Health Defense.
In that year, I was, somebody said, you would be really great if you got involved with that organization.
And so I applied to be one of their ambassadors.
They have different ambassadors for different counties to get people organized.
And so I jumped right in and I was helping people.
Across California, I was meeting teachers and students with one of the projects we were working on.
They would write in and say, our school is requiring us to test so many times a day or a week and do these measures.
And so I then had a really unique insight to what was happening and how this rollout was happening around California.
What I learned was that schools would get this template.
They would be offered funding.
To reopen their schools.
And with the money, they would have to do all of the protocols.
It was the daily health checks, the passports in a sense, right?
The daily pass or the color pass where you had to enter your health information and symptoms that day.
All digital.
So I was fighting that and I was connected with people all over California who were concerned.
So I saw that it was literally a top-down rollout of this.
Take the money.
Post your reopening guidelines on your website and we're good to go.
And so at that time, people told me, don't talk about chemtrails.
You're going to lose the beauty of your argument.
And so I did.
And so I was heavily, heavily involved in fighting the tyranny for those, for a few years.
And I was in a very, I hate to make it political, unfortunately it became political, but I was in a very liberal.
I myself had considered myself liberal prior to 2020. I was anti the duopoly, but wanted like a third party candidate.
And I quickly woke up to just how captured all of our media outlets were.
Can I ask a personal question?
Did you vote for Obama?
I did.
Yes.
And then...
How do you feel now?
Oh, I'm just so fooled.
I think when you realize...
So that's the thing, is that I actually understand now, because I came all the way to the other side, and then now I'm at the point where I feel like, I think all of it might be theater.
I think it's all sort of...
Theater, and they make us feel like we have a choice, and it's these polar opposites, and they're both playing their role, and they're getting us energized, and they're getting us to have our infighting.
And so I'm at the point now where the last two years I have just moved away from the protests and holding the signs, and I've decided it's time for me to get the hell out of the system in the ways that I can.
And so I started a garden in the last two years.
We moved to the mountains.
I've got a five-acre property.
I've got...
I love my nature and I'm raising chickens.
I'm hatching my own chickens now because, as you know, there's a shortage of chicken products and raw milk.
I mean, it's just so ridiculous.
So you've got your mountain.
That's nice.
That sounds really idyllic.
Is it in a kind of remote part of the state?
Yes.
The closest airports are about two hours away.
That's good.
Fantastic.
I'm not surrounded by all of the 5G towers or the cell towers.
I don't have all the surveillance cameras.
I watch the rollout of surveillance cameras as well.
Now, I know I've hiked through the UK. You have cameras everywhere.
Yeah, we're next level.
We put you to shame.
We're covered.
And they're registering chickens there as well.
My brother is in a band called the Unregistered Chickens.
Oh, my goodness.
That's funny.
He calls this band the unregistered chickens.
I can't think why.
It can't possibly be that he's got unregistered chickens himself.
Yes, yes.
But we know.
I've seen documentaries where the feds come and get you, even when you hide out in the kind of, in the backwoods.
They come and shoot you.
They send in the SWAT teams, don't they?
There's a great, oh, well, there's a great meme that says, come and take them.
And there's this chicken, you know, and we are, I feel like this is my turf.
And if you come barging over my turf to enforce any of this stuff, we're going to have a conversation.
I'm just not having it anymore.
Are you tooled up?
I am.
Excellent.
You see, we don't have that option in this country.
Well, we have to, I used to be.
I just thought, who needs a gun?
And it was 2021, I went, oh gosh, I understand now.
And that was when I became so grateful for everyone who's been active fighting for our Second Amendment rights out here.
And so, yeah, I got some home defense and more.
I think it's so much better a way to die when you've got...
When you're holding your weapon and you've got the smell of cordite to anesthetize you and you feel you're doing something, to just kind of sit there with a kind of a knife that you found in the kitchen, sort of...
Spatula.
It's just not the same, is it?
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Well, well done for making that move.
And so have you got your boy there as well?
Oh, yes.
He's actually downstairs.
I said...
He had a sleepover last night.
I said, you have to be quiet.
I'm having a conversation.
But yes, my son is here and my husband as well.
I'm glad you've got a husband as well.
They're nice things to have.
But yeah, I was thinking, you don't want to mess with mothers.
And their children, particularly boys, I have to say.
Mothers go potty for their boys.
I think when a mother has her boy, she finds her purpose in life.
And it ain't their husband anymore, I'm afraid.
Yes, no, I think you're probably right.
Actually, what really lit a fire under my butt, and I've talked about this a few times, is I was oblivious to everything when he was first born.
And for many, many years, I... Trusted the system.
They have you going to these well visits to get multiple bioweapon injections.
And I had no idea.
I never questioned it.
It was uncomfortable.
I didn't like that they had to do it.
But I didn't have anybody in my life that said, you know, you don't have to go to every well visit.
And did you know that you could space things out or maybe read a package insert before you decide?
I just...
I was just doing what I needed to do as a good mom.
And of course, they prey on new mothers and the vulnerability of new mothers.
And if you don't have a supportive network of women and community around you who understand the system, then you fall right into it.
And so my son had some progressive neurological issues.
He had skin issues.
He had tummy issues.
There were so many issues.
And when it was like many years later, I finally...
I decided to look into what the concerns were around the jabs.
And the more that I learned, my stomach sank.
Because what I can, what lights and fire under my butt is that I then realized I did this to him because of my ignorance.
And that I will never, I will never, some people say forgive and find the peace.
I will never forgive that system.
And the physicians for causing harm and convincing me to cause harm to my own child.
There's no going back, unfortunately.
You can't withdraw those injections from the body.
You have to just make the best of it.
I think, look, there are awake mothers all around the world who feel exactly as you do.
And you know what?
I feel the same way.
I sort of lightly resisted.
I didn't...
I thought...
I thought vaccines were one of the greatest achievements of medicine.
I thought whenever I used to go on holiday, I used to go, yeah, I don't care about the yellow fever, cholera, yeah, I'm going to go for it.
I'm not scared of jabs.
I love jabs because jabs mean I'm going on holiday.
And it was the same more else with my kids, although at the time I did hear hints that this thing called, they were giving several shots together.
Oh, yes.
MMR, was it, or something?
Yes.
I knew enough to know that my kids should get them separately.
And do you know what?
Even now, even now, they take the piss out of me for this.
Because they still believe the narrative.
They still believe that vaccines are okay and stuff.
And they mock me for that decision I made and for inconveniencing their mother for having sent them.
To the back end of beyond to get these special individual injections.
Anyway.
Wait, so question.
Did your family, did they fall for the convid?
And did they get the gems?
I mean, that's a perfect question.
You don't have to tell them.
No, no, no, no.
Well, I won't give you too much personal information, but I will tell you that my wife didn't.
Didn't?
Because of me.
Yeah, because of me.
And actually, it could easily have gone the other way.
It could have been, I took them because of you, because you're so bloody annoying, and you're such a nutcase.
Yeah, that's true.
But luckily, I must have made a sufficiently persuasive case that it wasn't really, you know, wait and see, whatever.
Yes.
But obviously, I've got loads of members of my family, you know, whether near or distant, who are vaccine-injured in some way.
You know, my aunt, for example, she thinks she's got long COVID. She hasn't got long COVID. This is not like so many families around us.
They really hold a number on us because the divide between friendships and families and for a period...
All that.
But you know what, Melika, we had something similar.
Did you follow the Brexit thing?
Not closely.
Just very briefly, we had this thing called Brexit.
Yes.
And it went on and on and on and on.
Or won't there be a debate?
Will there be a referendum?
Will it ever get no?
So years go by and finally we get this, we get to vote on whether we should, the United Kingdom should be part of this enormous supranational monolith, the European Union.
Much to the surprise of the establishment, allegedly, although I don't believe anything we're told anymore, we got to vote out.
And what happened thereafter?
Nothing.
The popular will was frustrated that the people in Parliament did everything in their power to make sure that Brexit didn't happen.
But I think they achieved their aim.
Which all along was to divide us because even now, this is why this is relevant, even now there are friends who will not talk to me or who despise me because of the position I took in this debate, which was never really a debate.
It was just a kind of divide and rule.
Wow.
So it worked.
It had one job and it did it.
Yes, it did.
Oh, it's just cruelty.
It feels like a cruel game.
It is a cruel game.
Don't forget.
Yeah.
I mean, who's running these guys?
I know.
He's got horns.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, I'm glad to hear you say that.
I haven't listened to any of your Deling podcasts yet, but I look forward to it now.
You've got a treat.
I don't know.
Are you a Christian?
That's another long story we can get into.
I actually was raised by a former Catholic and a former Episcopalian.
My father was an altar boy, just loved the Catholic Church up until ninth grade, and then had this radical change and decided all religion is about control, and they're using fear to control people, and he became a staunch atheist, and my mother became a nonbeliever.
So I was raised without a single biblical text, but regardless...
I just was taught that there is no God.
When you die, you go back into the earth, and then it's the great sleep.
I will say that in 2020, so I'm surrounded by atheists.
In 2020, that was the beginning to me recognizing that there was this communication happening that I was starting to sense between people and also nature.
It was just very powerful for me.
I opened myself up to a wonderful series that some people make fun of still to this day, but it blew everything apart for me.
Because when I learned that Erasmus Darwin and Charles Darwin were high-ranking Freemasons, I thought, oh, shit.
I've got to rethink that.
Because when you look at the men who landed on the moon, 33-degree Freemasons, right?
They're behind a lot.
Now, it's not just the Masons.
There's more groups.
And I haven't wrapped my head around it.
I'm not an expert.
What I'll say is there are powerful, powerful players that have infiltrated or whatever it is, all sorts of groups, even churches.
And so for me personally, I became aware that this is a battle between, I guess you'd say, light and dark, good and evil.
But it became clear to me that this is spiritual.
So now where I am is I started taking Bible study.
And the pastor that I was working with was really sold on a few things that I thought were not very realistic.
And, you know, like if you're into the Q movement or if you think that certain players are good players, I thought, we don't really have it right there, I don't think, in my gut.
I started really listening to my internal, how my body would respond.
And so I haven't fully decided what it is yet, and that's okay.
Because I'm open.
And I have my own sort of unique connection and journey that I'm on right now.
But I am aware that there's so much more than I ever thought there was.
I am never bored.
I am just taking it all in.
And anything's possible at this point.
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
It sounds to me like you'll get there in the end.
I think I will.
I was thinking, as you were telling me that, you mentioned the astronauts.
Yeah.
Did you know?
I discovered this the other day.
If you go to the headquarters of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in DC, there is a photograph of Neil Armstrong on the moon and he's holding out a Freemasonic apron in front of him.
That's Buzz as well.
What's his name?
Buzz Aldrin.
That was Buzz Aldrin as well.
I think Buzz Aldrin definitely.
And I'm sure that, you know, I'm sure, well, I have to find him.
I've got to go back and look.
But I think...
I expect they were all, they're all on the square.
I think so.
Why else do you think he hid out, you know, in his five years?
But I don't want to sort of push the Christian thing down your throat, but just briefly.
You like the idea that the world is run by the man with horns, which is what it says in Scripture.
I feel like it is.
I think it is.
It's starting to make a lot sense to me.
Satan is described as the god of this world.
This is his domain by God's permission.
But if you accept that, which I think any reasonable person should, given the shit show we're inhabiting at the moment, This could not be organized by mere humans.
No way could humans, even diabolically evil humans, they couldn't work in this sort of coherent way.
The long-term planning involved, the skills, the skill set, they have to be imbued with these powers by the master.
I think so.
And the master is the devil.
He knows what he's doing.
I read about the, I think it was the 13 satanic bloodlines of the other body.
And so I've really been looking into all these things.
And then I've been learning about the fallen ones and the Nephilim.
I don't have the language for it.
Again, I never picked up a religious book in my life.
And so I'm just taking in information and letting it filter through and settle as it should.
But I do feel...
That there's something to this generational power.
I don't really know how it all works, but no, you're right.
When you look back and see how much they predicted or said that, you know, they tell us what's going to happen.
You look back at all the scenarios.
They've been planning for decades in advance certain events to come to be.
So that's what I've noticed.
I think this is what I've worked out so far, and we see whether this chimes with you at all.
I think the deal works like this, that if you make the pact with the devil, it benefits you on two levels.
It benefits you in the earthly material realm of flesh and blood humans, who are more inclined to promote you, to give you the major record deal, To cast you in the movie, etc.
Because they are similar, they're in the same club and they are compromised and they want to, it's a sort of brotherhood of guilt and shame, I think, that they want to give the plum jobs to fellow perverts because they've done unspeakable things in order to get where they are and they want...
Everyone else to be similarly compromised.
That makes them feel comfortable.
I mean, imagine if you had...
Well, I mean, I don't know how Mel Gibson fits into all this, but I don't think that generally corrupt, disgusting, satanic paedophiles like hanging out with people who aren't paedophiles.
It just makes them feel icky.
Yeah.
I love hearing you talk about this.
These are all things I've been chewing on and thinking about lately.
And I've been having very frank conversations with my child as well, because what I'm finding is that popular children's books have all sorts of symbolism, music videos, movies.
And so I've started having conversations with him about We moved closer to family.
Oh, nice.
Our children now, their eyes are open.
And I feel so fortunate that I was able to go through this at a period when my son was still young and be able to then...
I mean, I had a book of evolution for him when he was little, right?
Because we wanted to...
Of course you did.
I bet you had a dinosaur book as well and a space book.
Yes!
So he got to then see his mother go through this transition.
And I said, honey...
I think I got it wrong.
And I don't know what the answers are, but I want to say that we've been lied to for a very long time, and I think you should question everything.
And in general, it's probably not a good idea to trust the television or what the media wants to tell you.
And I just said that they lied to people and they caused harm.
So listen to your gut and ask questions.
And he's a great child.
He's a wonderful boy.
Pays attention.
And he, yeah.
Anyway, I'm thrilled.
How lucky you are to have had that influence on him.
Because boys don't, boys quite often look at what their parents say and just go.
Well, they do.
Maybe at a certain age, but he was, you know.
You got him early.
I got him early.
And the other thing is, I want to talk about my parents.
So my dad has a non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
My mom has a couple of autoimmune issues.
And even with them, I was very adamant.
I just said, don't.
Do it.
Don't do it.
And they actually, I've shared this already in a previous interview, but at one point in 2020, they called me and I'm very close with my parents.
Okay.
And so, and they said, we're really concerned about you.
We think you are, you're becoming a little unstable.
You're learning about these conspiracy theories and you're getting pretty worked up and we think you need, we think you need some help.
And I never, my heart sank.
And in my gut and my heart, I just knew they don't get it.
They just don't get it.
But I never stopped being true to me.
I backed off a little bit with trying to shovel information their way.
But all I said was, it stinks.
There's no liability.
It's experimental.
And they're bribing people.
I said, don't do it.
And I'm fortunate that they listened.
They didn't have any.
They didn't have any.
And unfortunately, what I saw, and I hope this doesn't embarrass my family, but what they saw, so this is how bad it was.
My own mother couldn't tell her best friends from birth that she didn't get it because the pressure was so intense and so great.
And she's a social person, and she did not want to have that, oh, I'm sharing her story.
I almost feel bad about this.
But I'll just say that I said to her, I said, Mom, do you see what they've done to you?
You can't tell your friends since you were a young child whether you've taken it or not.
You would be rejected by them, or they would become afraid of you.
That's sad.
And I said, that should make you angry.
Don't you see what they're doing to people?
But what I'll say is my parents came around big time, and now they said you were right, and they're looking at all the other things I'm looking into, and now my dad is upset about the geoengineering in the skies, and they're watching the skies.
So I went from somebody that they thought was kind of Looney Tunes and...
And even my husband and I didn't agree.
And I chipped away and I chipped away and I didn't give up on my messaging.
I just, I changed course a little bit.
I didn't push to death.
I just make a comment like, oh, they're spraying again.
Or, oh, you know, I just make little comments to get them to start looking.
And when you start looking, it's undeniable.
That is, I have to say, that is the most impressive thing that you've told me.
And people are going to be, jaws are going to drop.
Yeah.
It's very, very hard to change people's minds.
Because, I mean, that could easily be conflated with nagging, couldn't it?
Just being an annoying one.
You said I was too much.
Yeah, I was too much for them.
They were like, you need to stop.
There were times I would talk about things and they said, you need to stop.
But I would keep bringing it up and it would flare up for us, you know.
There would be times that we just couldn't really talk for a week because we were talking like every few days.
Oh, yeah.
No, they would flare up and they needed their space for me and they didn't really want to spend time with me and even my sister's family.
But, so I learned not to be so, you know, not to beat it to death every time.
I learned to change topic, but I would still drop something every time we were together.
And it's amazing.
They finally, they all, my family was spared.
With the exception of my husband, unfortunately.
He eventually had to succumb to the pressure.
He held out for a while, and I'll never forget the day he told me that he got his first jab, because he had to do it for work.
But I told him, I said, he knew I was fighting for people to write their religious exemptions and to say no.
And he had just this little guilty puppy look in his face.
And I was on a trip visiting my family, so when he did it, and I came back, and he was feeling a little shameful.
I said, is everything okay?
He said, well, I got the jab.
And I went, oh.
But he knew how hard I was working, so there was nothing for me to say.
He knew how passionate I was.
He knew how hard I was fighting.
And it just, my whole, my insights just sank.
And I said, well, I'm really sorry about that.
And that was that.
And we went through some really rough times, and he finally woke up.
Two years later, right?
Like two years after I was really hammering hard, we lived sort of like we were in our different orbits, right?
You know, interacting on the superficial realm, like what's for dinner?
What's this?
But he finally came around.
You know who helped him wake up?
Joe Rogan.
So he could hear it from a man.
Like Joe Rogan is informing my husband, right?
But it's funny because he'll come out to me and he said, he came out one day, I'm not sure how long ago it was, but he said, you were right.
He said, Uh, man, the Democrats were really bad news.
And he thought he was thinking in terms of the political party still, but he, but he's been learning so much now.
And he, now he no longer thinks I'm batshit crazy.
He used to think I was just off my rocker, you know?
And because we had a child that we love so dearly, we stuck it out.
And I really didn't know how it was going to go.
And I am so grateful.
We just weathered this really challenging period of time.
And now it's this like, It's amazing.
It's amazing.
Well, I mean, obviously my theory would be that it's God, you know, at work there, but, you know, whatever.
Yes.
I feel that way.
I feel that way.
Some say it's Yeshua, some say, I just haven't determined the name or whatever it is, but I think so too.
There are moments where, I think, here's how I feel.
If you stick to your truth, and I really, I genuinely care about I don't want people to be lied to or abused or mocked or made part of this little game that's fun for some, right?
And so I have just...
I decided I'm not going to be afraid to speak my truth.
I tell strangers.
I'll drop...
Drop little seeds, and I'll talk to strangers for an hour in the parking lot.
I wear bumper stickers.
I have bumper stickers, slogan shirts, and I just bring it up.
I talk about it.
I am who I am, and that is the most liberating for me, is that I'm not embarrassed about being ostracized.
I've been ostracized.
In fact, I was doxed.
You know what doxing is?
When someone or people, they wrote all about me and my family, pulled out the nastiest things, because I had been...
Journaling, essentially.
I'd been making videos to get my thoughts down, to share some research I was doing, just to put it out there into the world for anyone who might be interested in hearing my opinion.
And so they wrote a nasty, nasty piece on me.
And my poor husband was dragged into it.
He was harassed, called at work, emailed, you know, tied to me.
And so that was a tough, a challenging period.
But once you live through that...
Then recently, it was last year, I ran for supervisor in my new county.
I have never done anything like it.
I decided I was going to do it.
I didn't have social media at the time.
And my friends said, well, how are we going to do this?
If you don't have social media, I said, well, word of mouth.
Because if you like what I have to say, then you'll get the word out.
So I lost horribly, by the way.
But I was me.
I just went out there and I was me.
And I didn't care what anybody thought.
I just thought, well, somebody's got to do it.
Some normal person has to run for office.
Local county office.
Because you can make a difference locally, right?
There's some change you can make there.
And so I went for it.
I lost.
That's okay.
And I'm still engaged as much as I can be.
But I want to make a difference here locally.
I've taken it from the global...
What's happening globally is so overwhelming for people that I'm trying to let people know you can just narrow it down.
There's so much happening in your own backyard, in your own neighborhood.
Just focus on that.
Focus on that first.
Get your head wrapped around it and get involved locally.
That's where it really matters.
And then that's the ripple effect.
If everybody just brought it back to...
What's happening in my environment?
Where are those nagging surveillance cameras around me?
Let's get those removed.
Petition to get those removed.
Let's get, you know, that's where we could make a difference, I think.
Yeah.
I was just thinking, you haven't read Voltaire's Condeed, have you?
No.
What was that?
Voltaire, I'm sure he was probably a baddie.
Because, I mean, everyone from history is.
But he writes this satirical book called Condi, which I studied at school in French.
But the final line is, il faut cultiver notre jardin, which means we've got to cultivate our garden.
And so even if he is a baddie, his message is basically, you know, just deal with your own shit first on the domestic and on the local level.
Well, that's what I've been doing for years now.
And I have to say, the first year was rough.
I had chickens at the same time.
And then the second year, my garden exploded.
And I started learning about harvesting my own seeds.
And I started learning about fermentation and canning.
And so it's a whole new world for me.
You're a prepper.
I am sort of a prepper.
I have become a bit of a prepper.
And five acres.
You can do quite a lot with that.
Well, it's also on a hill.
So I've had to do a lot of terracing, which keeps me physically active.
So I'm out there digging.
And trenching and, you know, to trap the water that runs downhill.
So it's not all usable five acres, but I'm making it work.
And I love that I have nature on my property.
We have deer and wild turkeys and mountain lions on occasion and coyotes and hawks.
And I'm in nature out here.
It's beautiful.
Can I say, Mallika, when it comes to gardening, deer are not your friend.
Oh, no.
Well, that's why you have good fencing.
And you have...
I have...
Gophers are not your friend either.
We have these ground squirrels that will come up and just pull the plants down.
So I had to do plant boxes.
And I did gopher wire underneath, too.
That was a tip for my sister.
Thank you, sister.
Because those little suckers will get in there and eat everything.
Gopher wire?
Gopher wire, yeah.
That sounds like a wrinkle that one could really do without.
I mean, it's bad enough.
Going back to the chemtrails, the weather manipulation has been so bad, and the shit they spray us with, and the aluminum, as you call it, in the soil.
It's very hard to have your own vegetable patch now.
Some years one thing grows, some years another thing grows, but you don't have consistency at all.
If you were dependent on feeding yourself, you'd die, I think.
Yes, yes.
I think you're right about that.
There are some plants that are really struggling, and for me, I'm just putting everything I can into the ground, and it's experimental still.
I don't have a green thumb.
I'm nurturing my green thumb.
But no, you're right.
So actually, that brings me back to, so I moved away from that liberal county.
I came to the mountains, and I was building my garden.
I was outside.
I was drilling screws into making my own planter boxes and, again, watching the skies, and I became very angry.
Because I thought, here I am, trying to get away from the system and the nastiness of it all.
And there they are.
These effers are still out there, blasting my sky, taking away my sunshine.
And so I decided I'm done not talking about it.
It's time to normalize the conversation.
So what I did was I started a telegram group.
And I already had a nice group of fighters, people that were anti-2020 convent baloney.
And so I just started putting out information.
It was just, I called it...
California chemtrails, you know, just because it sounded catchy.
And I thought, I want Californians to start taking pictures, documenting.
Let's see if we can figure out what the patterns are.
Let's see if we can figure out who's doing this.
I had heard about Dame Wigington's group.
You know, they were testing their rainwater.
I decided, well, I want to know what's in my rainwater.
So then began the journey of, how do I even do this?
Where would I even go?
That was when I was talking with Raynette Senem.
She's working on Save Our Skies.
She's working on all sorts of different, they're talking about notices of liability.
They're talking about, you know, she's working different angles that offer a larger scale for like, you know, larger scale geoengineering.
I'm focusing more on what I've discovered in my county, which is there is a 30-year-old ongoing cloud seeding project that my board of supervisors were not informed about because it is done by the county.
two irrigation districts to the west of us.
And they partner, they're paying Weather Modification Inc., also known as Weather Modification International, to do the seeding over my county.
And the water that falls here benefits their hydroelectric power, their irrigation district.
So they are a water and power company.
And so this has been a lot of learning, and I recognize that my own county supervisors were never told.
So can I just be clear on that one?
Yes.
Somebody sets up a hydroelectric plant, which we're told is a healthy alternative to fossil fuels, which are evil.
Yeah.
And then they pay geoengineers to spray the clouds to cause rain, excessive rainfall, presumably, to help push the hydroelectric.
Is that right?
Help their reservoirs, their water.
Apparently they are...
Are in control of some dams.
And you think about the water rights under the ground, too.
PG&E owns our water rights, actually.
And then, you know, other...
Who does?
PG&E, that's Pacific Gas and Electric.
And who owns these companies?
BlackRock, presumably.
Oh, yes.
It goes back to, like, the Rothschild family, is what people say.
Yes, that's...
And I have not actually dived into that enough, but enough people have done that.
That died.
They've been established since, like, I forget the dates.
I don't want to be quoted on anything.
I don't want to be wrong.
No, no, sure.
They go way, way, way, way back.
So it's, again, water and power.
And that's sort of a mafia on its own.
That's what Chinatown is about, isn't it?
It's about water and stuff.
Chinatown?
The Roman Polanski movie.
Oh, I haven't seen that.
I think so.
I'm pretty sure it's...
I'm going to write that down.
Yeah, it is a classic.
I mean, all classic, all movies, of course, are a revelation of the method.
Yes, revelation of the method.
That's what I've been trying to figure out.
That's what it is.
Because I was wondering, as I was waking up to these things very slowly, I was seeing the symbolism.
It's so blatant, right?
You start to recognize when they're doing the gestures or they've got the black and white checkerboard floors and the Masonic floors.
You're wearing checkerboard black and white.
Or the Indian space shuttle that was landing.
You see the black and white Masonic checkerboard on it as well.
And I thought, oh gosh, it's just right in your face.
They're making fun of us finally.
I see the mockery.
And so I don't know where I was going with all of this.
Sorry, I interrupted you.
That was very unfair.
So we were talking about how you discovered that a board of supervisors from a different county had authorized this thing.
It's called TID, the Turlock.
And Modesto Irrigation District.
They call themselves TID. And they've been, you know, so on this California Chemtrail chat, there's bright people that are talking and thinking and we're doing our research together.
And a friend of mine said, hey, there's a NOAA library.
It's the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, okay?
And they have a list of these non-federal, so that's not including the military or the federal government, but non-federal weather modification projects.
And so, We were looking through those together and she said, I think this is your county, right?
And I went, oh my goodness.
And there it was, like right in front of me.
I'm going to show you this page.
They have these pages that tell you who's involved, the parties that are involved, the addresses, the phone numbers.
And so there, yes.
So on my channel, and they give you the map, which I don't have the map printed out here, but they give you the players.
And the dates and the description of the project.
And so then began the written documentation.
I wanted to know, what are you doing?
How are you giving people notice that you're doing this?
Are you giving notice?
Who's approving this?
How are you being funded?
How are you paying for this?
So I have been doing Public Records Act requests.
I was tracking aircraft that were making very interesting patterns over us, right?
So this is what I was doing.
Yeah.
In my Public Records Act requests, I discovered that the aircraft I was tracking was indeed the aircraft that they were using to seed our skies.
And so I became very savvy at recognizing the seeding patterns.
And, oh, there's so much more I can get into, James.
They're not only seeding our skies, they are spraying us with adulticides to kill mosquitoes.
Now, think about the word, adulticide.
These are toxic organophosphate pesticides that were also used as nerve agents in World War I. But they say they have it calibrated just so.
They spray from aircraft just enough just to kill mosquitoes.
It bypasses the bees and the butterflies, they say.
What's happening over our heads is we are being poisoned on a multitude of levels.
And that now, I believe, I'm of the opinion, that our illness comes from.
They're direct poisoning in one way or another.
And that when we have symptoms of poisoning, then they give us their fraudulent diagnostic tests, which then allows them to tell us, oh, well, you have this virus or you have this virus and there's our cure for it.
So I think that's the game.
I think what they've been doing is poisoning us for a long time.
And then they're blaming our symptoms on a fake virus like the bird flu or the convid.
That's my thought.
OK, that's where I am now.
That's very interesting because, as you know, the green movement is rampant.
It comes up with all these claims about how because of our selfishness and greed and refusal to stop our air travel, we're killing the planet and we're poisoning the wildlife and blah, blah, blah.
And actually, I think that's just cover for what they're really doing.
When I was a child, and you'd go on a car journey at night, the end of the car journey, the lights on the front of the car would be splattered with insects.
There would be so many, so many insects.
Now, nothing.
I live on a 1,500-acre estate in the country.
And in the last decade, the bird populations have plummeted.
You used to see a pair of little owls outside my house.
I haven't seen them for about three or four years.
I mean, maybe they'll come back.
Butterflies again.
It's really depressing.
And the bees.
We have...
Two hives of bees or had two hives of bees in the walled garden on the estate.
Last year they had to give up because they were just, they couldn't, they weren't surviving.
Now either I think, either their mechanisms are being disrupted by 5G. Yes, frequency.
I think EMF is definitely playing its part, but I think the spraying is really killing us.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, that was the other pilot confrontation I had.
So this pilot, I don't want to digress too much because I know you wanted to talk about this confrontation, but this other pilot, we have different mosquito vector control districts, and they...
Have spray alerts on the websites, okay?
That's their form of notification.
Otherwise, people are oblivious to what's happening.
And since I'm paying attention to the skies, plus I was very proactive in fighting the release of the Bill Gates CRISPR engineered mosquitoes.
Oxitec?
You're aware of Oxitec?
A UK biotech company?
What's he trying to do?
What's his plan?
What's his official?
Okay.
Oxitec is a biotechnology company out of the UK that had plans back years ago, had plans to come to the United States and spread throughout the United States.
They make genetically modified moths, worms, mosquitoes, okay?
Oh, this will be maybe another podcast for you and I because what they are doing is they are, under the guise of public health and safety and sustainable pest management, they have genetically They've engineered these mosquitoes.
They claim what they're trying to do is to reduce the population of the disease-spreading mosquitoes.
California has never had a history of people getting sick and dying from mosquito-borne viruses.
What they've done now is they've released these genetically modified mosquitoes.
They've done it in Brazil.
They did it in India many years ago.
What I found was...
There's a lot of papers out there.
There was a study that was done.
They found that actually what happened was the population maybe initially declined, but then it came back, and that the genetically modified mosquitoes successfully bred with the native mosquitoes, and there are issues with that.
And what I saw was that the rate of infectious disease, according to them, skyrocketed by 600% in both India and Brazil two years following.
Their initial releases.
So what that told me was, again, they're creating disease.
Either they're spreading disease or they're making the problem worse.
Because then I learned that Moderna was being funded by DARPA, right?
And BARDA, who are military.
And they were working on developing mRNA vaccines for these, or jabs for these mosquito-borne viruses.
And I thought, here we go again.
It's they create the problem.
And then they offer you their intervention as the solution.
It's the game.
So what I was going to say was, so I've been keeping track of mosquitoes.
So my friends are telling me, like, hey, they're spraying for mosquitoes here.
And so I did some research there.
I found out that what they were spraying was a very toxic organophosphate pesticide, adulticide, called Dibrom.
What's it called?
Dibrom.
D-I-B-R-O-M. Dibrom.
And that's related to what they were using in the First World War, in the trenches?
Well, it's an organophosphate pesticide, which works as like a nerve.
It affects the nervous system of insects, but it also affects the nervous system of people.
And the active ingredient is called Naled.
Naled or Naled.
N-A-L-E-D. I read everything.
And so I then printed out a three-page document, because I confirmed it was NALED or NALED, with the General Mosquito District Manager that was doing it.
And I tracked the flight on the map.
So they tell you where they're going to be spraying.
They give you the spray alert.
So I got on my flight radar, and I waited.
And I watched the areas on the map where I was expecting them to show up.
And lo and behold, I tracked the aircraft doing the low-flying 450, 500 feet loops.
Over these areas.
And then what really got to me was he did this over an ecological reserve, which was there to protect birds and wildlife.
And I thought, that bastard is spraying poison over an ecological reserve.
So that was where I got angry.
And I decided I'm going to go confront him.
So I drove two hours to the airport he was coming and going from.
Also, his plane was registered to a Delaware Trust company.
So basically, you don't really know who's running the show because it's part of a Delaware Trust.
So I went out there, drove two hours, hoping to catch him before he took off.
Unfortunately, when I got there, I was scouting the airport.
Again, it's like a little private airport, sort of a smaller airport.
And I saw that his transponder turned on on my phone and I went, oh, I missed him.
So off he went.
I watched him take off.
I filmed him taking off.
And then I had to sit in my car and wait.
And then it gets dark.
And I'm going, okay, I'm waiting for him to come back.
And it feels a little awkward because security's outside on occasion and I'm just sitting there in my car like a stalker, right?
Like in a movie.
Oh, I know.
And I was by myself.
Just, just, just, you know, it was very, I just had had enough.
And so.
And then I saw some sheriff's helicopters were circling the airport and I thought, do they know I'm here?
Do they know that I'm here?
I was a little paranoid, right?
And so then he came in from a couple hours of spraying and he landed and I was like, well, I've been in my car for five hours now.
I better just go out and I have to do something.
So I took my papers and I got out of the car and I walked up to the fence and I filmed and then I was walking closer to the building and I saw one of those They call them line guys.
I used to work in the corporate jet world a long time ago when I was footloose and fancy free.
But they help service the aircraft and get what you need for the aircraft.
And so I waved to him and I said, Hi, I have something to give to whatever the tail number was at the time.
It was a registration number.
I said, For this aircraft.
And he said, Oh, just go inside.
So I went inside.
I walked in with a smile and I said, I've got some paperwork for this aircraft.
And they said, Okay, great.
Would you like to leave it for us?
Or do you want us to give it?
And I said, no, I'd like to, I have to give it to him directly.
And she said, okay, it's for Tim, right?
I said, yes, it's for Tim.
Clever.
I went to the bathroom.
There was a room full of sheriff's deputies hanging out.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
So I filmed every step of the way, right?
And I recorded discreetly.
Then I came back out and she said, he said, come on out.
So out I went onto the tarmac.
And I said, hi.
And we had a conversation, which I also documented, but I didn't blast that.
I didn't share that conversation because he was so friendly.
He was such a great, a normal guy, but an absolutely oblivious man.
He believed what he was doing was to help us.
He said, well, we have scientists and PhDs that this stuff is, we have it calibrated just right, so it's just the right amount to just kill the mosquitoes.
And I said, how do you know you're not killing bees?
He said, because I spray them all the time.
But I found out who we worked for, and I did some more research later, and I have some Substack posts on that and some BitChute channel updates on that.
But we had a very nice conversation, about 25 minutes.
I shared my concerns.
He was blown away that I came all the way to see him late at night.
Again, late at night, right?
He started around, I think, 7 or 8 o'clock and didn't finish until 10, 10.30, and then we were there at 11 o'clock or so.
But I gave him my hand out and I said, it sounds like you're aware that you are spraying these chemicals.
And he was the one who said, did you know they used to spray these in World War I, that these were nerve agents?
And he kind of chuckled.
And I went, wow, you know.
So you see.
That's funny.
Yeah.
So anyway, so that was my first pilot confrontation.
This one, you know, he's flying right over my darn house.
I can hear him.
And I'm watching him.
So, you know, the night that I went down to the airport to confront this gentleman, I had driven my son to a sleepover.
And it was like an hour away to meet a friend, an old friend from, you know, a long distance away.
And I came home and I was putting the chickens to bed and I could hear him over me.
And I checked my app and I went, oh, he's been out for two and a half hours, you know, almost three hours.
So he's going to be heading back soon.
And the airport's about an hour away from me.
So I thought, well, I missed him again.
And I had been saying to my girlfriend, who's just as angry as I am, I said to her, we need to go and confront him together because she lives down the street.
And so then I got ready for bed.
I'm lying in bed around 10 o'clock.
I hear him again.
So he had reloaded the flares and came back out.
And I got on flight radar and I went, oh, he's back!
So I texted my friend.
She didn't answer.
I called her a few times.
She didn't answer.
So I have another friend, a male friend who's also interested in this.
And I called him up and he said, he's flying over us right now.
Do you want to go to the airport with me?
And he said, I'll be there in 25 minutes.
And so off we went.
10.30, 10.45, we drove to the airport.
We hung out and waited, you know, for quite a while.
We found the location and everything was dark.
It was all locked up, right?
And I didn't know if I would even get a chance to meet with him.
I didn't know how it would go.
But I was mad as hell and wanted to, you know.
And we were all so excited.
It felt like, you know, here we were in the middle of the night, you know, sneaking around the building.
And when he landed, I finally...
I was walking along the window, looking to see if I could see where he was coming in or where he might be.
And again, I saw a line guy kind of, you know, through the window and the light outside on the other side.
You could see almost through to the airport.
And I waved at the door, and he came to the door because it was locked.
And I said, I'm here to see so-and-so, this pilot from this aircraft.
And he said, oh, okay, because again, here I am, and I'm friendly.
And he let me in.
And I went into the bathroom, and the room was dark inside.
And I texted my friend, I said, I'm inside.
And so he came to the outside of the building, and he filmed.
As the pilot came in, we were having the conversation.
And all I did was I did an audio record, because I wanted to document anything that transpired, because you just never know what you're going to run into, or if any threats are going to be made.
And that whole conversation happened.
I left.
It was a very polite conversation.
But what I did was I let him know, I'm a real person.
I'm here.
I'm aware that you're up there doing this.
And I wanted him to know that people, you can't hide behind your company anymore.
You can't, you know, these pilots are not being confronted.
They're just doing their job.
It's really easy peasy.
Nobody's coming up to them and saying anything.
So, yeah.
I imagine they're quite well paid.
I imagine they probably are too.
Yeah.
You see, you've answered a question, which actually should never be asked because the answer is obvious.
But you must have encountered this.
There is so much scepticism about chemtrails.
There is a very powerful censorship industry.
You only have to go on Twitter, say, and talk about chemtrails.
And pretty soon, in the comments, you'll get people saying, I think you mean...
Contrails.
And then you'll get people posting photographs of flying fortresses taken in 1944 with supposedly contrails coming out of them.
And one of the things that chemtrail deniers will always say is, if chemtrails were real, we'd have heard by now from whistleblowers, the pilots.
And to me, the answer's obvious.
They're not going to blow the whistle on something that brings home the bacon.
They make a fortune out of doing this stuff.
They're not going to knock the boat.
Well, there are a few whistleblowers that I've heard of.
There's a woman that I think, I think she worked for the Air Force.
Oh, that one, yes.
She's good.
Now, I have not verified these people for myself, okay?
Take it or leave it, trust them or not.
I just know, all you have to do is look to the skies and pay attention and you know.
That they're manipulating our weather.
And then Ted, former FBI agent or director or something.
Ted Gunderson.
Yes, Ted Gunderson was another one, I think.
Well, he spoke about it.
So there are whistleblowers, but they're kind of tossed off.
I have people say, why don't you add some more aluminum to your tinfoil hat?
Do they?
Yes, I still do.
They say that.
But what blew my mind, James, is that there was such a stigma around talking about this just a couple of years ago.
And now, I was amazed to see how fast that video went out.
Because I shared it to a private chat, my audio.
And I have two friends on the chat that make videos.
And they said, Kat, you've got to get this out there.
Can we take some of your...
Because I had videos of the plane going over my house.
I mean, the audio of the plane over my house.
And video of me showing up.
And I shared these things on this private chat.
And so I said, well, I'm too tired.
It was 4.30 in the morning.
I was home, and I was like, adrenaline.
But I said, I can't, I don't want to make a video, but just do with it what you will.
So they cut my audio to some pictures and visuals, and they put it out there.
And then it was like, one day after the next, it was like, it picked up traction here.
Suddenly this group's posting it.
This group's posting it.
And it just went like wildfire.
And then I had a friend say, You made it to Infowars.
And I went, oh my God.
So, I mean, that was a little, it was really overwhelming.
It was startling that it had so much traction.
But I think people have had enough of the baloney and they want answers and they want action.
And we are sick of waiting and we're sick of all of the assault we have been under for so many years.
What can I say?
I really respect your bravery and tenacity because When I'm lying in bed at half past ten at night, because I've reached that age where I like to be in bed with a book by ten.
The last thing I'm thinking about is getting into my car and driving for an hour or two to confront somebody in an empty airfield in a darkened room.
It's kind of...
I think if it was over your house and you knew that they were over your house, you would.
I think you would.
The bastards.
Look, so I've hinted that I live in a kind of rural idyll.
I came back the other day and there was, they painted an X in the sky with their chemtrails.
Yeah.
Like the mark of the, in Harry Potter, what's the mark, the death mark, whatever it is.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, no, it's, yeah.
It's so, everybody knows, they say X marks the spot.
We're always joking, like, where's the next, you know, target area?
It's a cult.
It's an occult symbol, the X, which is why, you know, Musk, who's a baddie.
Osiris Rising, that's right.
Osiris, that's right.
That's why he called it X. That's why I still call it Twitter.
And they put their arms across the chest.
You see celebrities and movie stars doing this symbol, and there are all sorts of symbols.
Can I say, Melika, it is such a relief that You weren't going to, because I was worried that having gone from being a kind of California liberal, you'd then become this kind of Trump.
Trump's going to solve everything.
You know, orange man is the solution.
But he ain't, is he?
I've been saying nobody's coming to save you.
That's what bothers me is that I remember the whole Q movement was happening and all of these people who knew that...
Convis was a lie.
We're like, now the White Hats are solving crimes behind the scenes.
There's going to be arrests.
And I was like, oh my gosh.
And what I understood for me, and some of my friends will still be aggravated with me for saying this, is I thought, this is brilliant.
Because what they've done now is they've made you feel like you don't have to really do that much because somebody else is going to do it for you.
And that's the brilliance.
Of the counter-science and the other science, right?
Is that they get people to go, oh, someone else is going to handle this problem.
I can just keep on enjoying my lattes and my daily bike rides and just living my life.
My avocado smash.
Sleepless nights for me sometimes.
I am just insatiable.
I want to learn more and I want to figure out...
I'm following the money.
I mean, there's so many interests that I have, so many things that I've covered over five years, just my learning.
I'm learning, I'm digesting, and then I put it out there for people to see.
But I am so thrilled to see that people were inspired by what I did that night because that's what we need more of.
Just imagine if there were more people showing up to...
To talk to the people, the individuals.
So let me just say this.
We can always say, well, Bill Gates or this big bad boy that we can't reach or this corporation, you have to find out who are the local minions taking the money.
And then you have to call them out.
And I did this with the mosquito stuff.
We had the county manager of a mosquito back to control district.
He was going to partner with Oxatec and release the first pilot trial.
And I called him out.
I called him on the phone.
I said, and I did exactly what I did with this pilot.
I said, are you aware of what you're doing?
Let me tell you what I know about these past experiments and how problematic they ended up being.
You have great responsibility, sir.
And you...
Don't have to do this.
And I'm asking you not to do this.
And I asked him if he had family.
And I asked him if he'd done his research.
And he just was so nervous about it.
He passed me off.
Talk to the EPA. Talk to the EPA. And I said, no, you are the one making the decision to release these mosquitoes.
I'm asking you.
To rethink what you're doing.
And then we had this massive push.
I had all my friends.
I was getting the word out.
I had a couple people interview me for my research.
And we had an opportunity to leave public comment in California to the California Department of Pesticide Regulation to say, hell no.
To this release.
And we had 5,400 emails of opposition and Oxitec had to quietly withdraw their research application.
They never released them in California.
I had a Public Records Act for that one as well.
So we can make a difference.
People, when they get active and they raise their voices, can actually make a pretty good difference.
When you found those documents with the names of the...
What, the board supervisors and things?
For the chemtrails or for the mosquitoes?
Well, either.
I mean, I couldn't read that on the screen, but presumably you've got the names and addresses of the people who passed this legislation.
Oh, the companies, yeah.
So I have the name of the agencies that are doing this.
So the names of the managers of the agencies and the name of the person.
Of the company.
So yes, I have all those names and numbers.
Not their personal addresses or numbers, but their business numbers.
What are you going to do with them?
Well, I've called.
I did speak to the Turlock and Modesto Irrigation District back when I first read the contract.
And in that conversation, I didn't get to speak to the person on the contract, but somebody else that was able to answer a few questions.
And that was when I learned, he's like, we've been doing this for 30 years, you know.
And I was like, 30 years?
So I was very friendly.
I was gathering information.
And then I did the Public Records Act request.
And you see, they've been doing it for a very long time.
And they're basing it on an outdated...
Environmental Impact Report that was done in 1990, where they say, we're going to be flying over Yosemite.
We're going to be over these nature, natural areas that are usually protected.
But we think that the benefits outweigh the risk, and we think silver is not...
All they talk about is silver.
That brings me to another point.
All they talk about is silver iodide.
It's just silver iodide.
Well, it's not.
Because when you look into the flares, the flares...
Have aluminum and zinc that are used as propellants because they're explosive.
They blast the silver iodide everywhere, okay?
So you have heavy amounts of aluminum, zinc.
I have high amounts of magnesium in my samples, titanium.
Where's the titanium coming from?
I researched titanium in cloud seeding.
They use titanium dioxide nanoparticles in the United Arab Emirates, and they've been doing experiments in the United States.
So now I want to find out.
Has my county been one of those experimental places for the titanium dioxide nanoparticles?
I don't know.
So there's a lot of work that needs to be done still.
But then I called, of course, Weather Modification International.
They never answer the phone, ever.
So I've left multiple messages to speak to Jodie Fisher, who's the chief pilot of Weather Modification, Inc., Weather Modification International, same difference.
And no callback.
And so, OK, so you've got the...
Insecticide, well, the neurotoxin spraying, which is specifically for mosquitoes, allegedly.
Allegedly.
And then you've got the cloud seeding for the rain, presumably, which they justify on the grounds that global warming means there's less rain around, so we need to increase the rain.
What's their excuse?
Well, they want to increase the amount of water that falls because it benefits their power and electric.
But then they keep raising the rates on the public.
So they're spraying our skies.
They're dousing our skies with ejectable flares and burn-in-place flares.
And then whatever rainfall comes at that, then it boosts their ability to offer power to people.
But then they're still raising the rates on everybody.
So it's just twisted.
Okay.
So there's the rainfall.
And what about all these chemicals?
What about the titanium and the magnesium and the aluminium and the...
And there's other things, aren't there?
There's barium, I think?
Yes, I have.
So the barium was not very...
Arsenic?
But I still had it in the samples.
So the barium was not as high as the...
Aluminum and magnesium were the highest amounts, but there was still barium, strontium, copper, zinc.
Titanium.
So all these different metals here.
And what's that there for, would you say?
Say that again?
Why do they put all that stuff in?
They say it's to attract the...
Somehow it attracts...
They say it helps enhance the particles that will then turn into rain.
I don't know how it works.
I don't fully understand it.
By the way, I'm not an expert, James.
I'm just a person who's interested and I've been doing...
I've been trying to gather evidence, and what I will say is, when you have samples that contain those metals, if you can see here, here's the results, okay?
So these are for these metals here, okay?
Yeah.
And this should be a signal.
So here's what I'm asking.
What I want is, oh, we didn't, there's so much, I realize we didn't cover this.
We have, again, an air pollution control district who is supposed to be monitoring our air quality.
Yes, true.
So I was trying to research, what do these numbers mean?
How bad is it?
What are the inhalation limits, right, that they've set?
What are the ingestion limits?
And I was spending months researching and reading through papers and exhausting myself, and finally it struck me.
I thought, wait a minute.
They should know this.
They should be doing these tests.
They should be telling me.
What the limits are.
Why am I putting in all this effort?
I was killing myself over this stuff.
And so that was when I was reaching out to my local air pollution control district, who, by the way, we found out they don't have what they're required to have.
They're supposed to have a hearing board comprised of a medical professional, an engineer, a lawyer, and then two members of the public.
They are supposed to have a hearing board.
They don't have one.
They haven't had one for at least five years.
That just came out.
I have applied to be on my county's local hearing board, okay?
I'm still waiting for them to get back to me.
Then we have the California Air and Resources Board who are supposed to...
They're so concerned about reducing carbon.
They've got a formula, a plan.
To achieve certain goals by 2030, you know, the same old 2030 baloney.
So they're so focused on carbon.
And so I called them out and I said, what are you going to do about these heavy metals in our air?
And how are you going to rectify?
Are you testing for these things?
Are you concerned?
What I found out is they don't test for these metals because all they test for are the things that come from what they believe are Emissions of concern.
And that is when I sent them the cloud seeding contract and information.
And I said, don't you consider this an emission of concern?
Why aren't you paying it?
They were clueless.
They were clueless.
And unfortunately, the gentleman I started developing a correspondence with, then there were holidays that came up.
And finally, after the holidays wrapped, he said, I'm retiring.
So thank you for our exchange, but I will be retiring.
And I was like, oh!
So it was just ongoing.
Sometimes I was stonewalled.
People wouldn't get back to me.
I had to follow up with more emails.
And then I started copying my supervisors on my emails as well because I wanted everyone to know, you're not the only one in emailing here.
If you don't get back to me, I want everyone else to know that you dropped the ball, right?
So I was...
My documentation was the written correspondence, and it demonstrated either their lack of knowledge or their inability to respond in a timely manner.
So there's a lot I've been doing.
That's fantastic.
Or insane.
Or insane.
There's lots of discussion in Cantrell groups about...
What kind of aircraft are being used?
Is it always sort of small aircraft from local airfields, or do they use passenger aircraft as well?
What have you worked out?
That's a great question.
Operations are smaller, okay?
They're more local efforts, okay?
Those are typically, I would say, between 10,000, 15,000 feet, and they're just above sort of any kind of cloud cover sometimes that comes in, okay?
What I have not identified yet, there are very high altitude aircraft moving very quickly through the sky that are leaving trails.
I don't know if those are unmanned aerial vehicles.
I have found that a lot of the times that they're up there zipping across the sky, high and dry, I can't figure out who they are.
I can't find them on flight radar.
So my thought is, again, I can't prove this, but this is my assessment.
It's either private companies and or military, maybe a combination of the two, or government projects that we have not been notified about.
So there is a difference because there are aircraft that are higher.
Oh, by the way, the U.S. Air Force does use their C-130s, okay?
Are they the Hercules?
Hercules.
Yes, I think they're Hercules.
The C-130 aircraft are used, they do nighttime spraying of adulticides.
But they're huge.
That's huge.
We can put a lot of adulticide in the back of a Hercules.
Well, yeah, I think, I forget what their payload is, but it's like...
I think thousands of gallons.
They can transport armored cars and things.
There's a lot they can do.
And there's been some people out there that have connected some dots with regard to Lockheed and some other companies.
And like, I think the Evergreen company is, you know, they use companies too.
Evergreen.
Evergreen, right?
Evergreen.
I know.
It's just a joke.
No, so there's...
Cloud seeding is one aspect of it.
And somebody actually told me, they said cloud seeding isn't technically geoengineering.
But I called it geoengineering.
Whatever you want to call it.
Weather modification, geoengineering.
You can call it by solar radiation management, stratosphere, aerosol injection.
There's so many names that they give it.
They change it up all the time.
They'll say precipitation enhancement.
There's all kinds of fancy words.
It seems to me that although I don't know what it's like in California, although we've been getting an awful lot of rain, I think far more than one ought to have at this time of year, and it's making life hell for the farmers, apart from those of us who didn't like being rained on, I get the impression that the main purpose of this, of the chemtrails, is just to create this perpetual grey cloud cover that blocks out the sun.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, you kill plant life.
Think about it.
And then also, I mean, they had an experiment where they were releasing salt particles into the sky.
And apparently, salting the earth was a way to harm crops.
And that was a method that was used hundreds of years ago, I guess.
Again, don't quote me on the dates.
But I think it's too...
Sunshine is essential for life.
So when you blot out the sun, You diminish the quality of life for plants and animals and humans.
And also, you know, the military has documented their use of all sorts of weather modification for wartime efforts, right?
From fires where they would spray herbicides in advance, right?
They'd kill the plant life, kill it off, and then they'd wait for just the right temperatures and...
I mean, we have in California, as you've seen, I'm sure, raging fires and flooding, okay?
I believe a lot of it's been manufactured.
What I think is happening is they are driving people off the land.
They want to build smart cities.
They want to force people from the rural areas into these consolidated smart cities.
That is where I am today.
I think that's all by design.
I think a lot of the fires are burning.
And naturally, there are people that are talking about the fires.
Longtime arborist and botanist who's been talking about how he's observing the plant life.
You know, Robert Brame is his name.
Robert.
Robert Brame.
B-R-A-M-E. Okay.
And he has a great interview that I watched a long time ago.
It's called, If Houses Burn But Trees Do Not, Is It Really a Forest Fire?
And he's been out documenting so many fire aftermaths and talking about the anomalies that he sees.
These fires are burning very differently.
So right now, again, we are, I feel like, under attack on multiple levels.
And again, it's about grabbing resources.
The land for the people, ruining the mom-and-pop businesses, right?
Just the swallowing ourselves.
Yeah.
So it's all by design.
So it's always good to hear from the other side of the Atlantic because I tend to talk to people in the UK and we know what our problems are.
I mean, you said that people are sort of...
Becoming more aware of chemtrails.
But do you get the feeling that Californians are waking up?
I mean, for example, those fires in the Pacific Palisades, was it?
Loads of attractive properties being destroyed.
Yes.
And they're going to move in, aren't they?
And they're going to build, as you say, they're going to build a gender 2030 city.
Well, that was one of the places for the 2028 Summer Olympics.
And they wanted to have...
All public transportation by that time.
They want it to be walkable.
They wanted it to be, you know, car-free.
So it fits in very well where they're going with all of this.
So that's the plan?
Yes.
I think people are starting to wake up in California.
Are they?
What evidence do you have of this?
The vote in the last election.
I mean, there were so many different counties that turned more red.
Yeah, but I mean, that's problem, reaction, solution, isn't it?
Well, and then, well, let me think.
For California, I mean, we're still pretty, California is still pretty lost in many, many ways.
But I, from personal experience, I have connected with hundreds and hundreds of people who woke up because of 2020. Who woke up and then at one point they switched for political science, right?
So I think it's a gradual thing.
They may not realize it's all theater.
It's all really just a performance that we're watching and the outcome will be whatever we let it be.
You know, if we don't start prepping and growing our own food and fighting our own battles locally.
But I feel like there's an awakening happening.
There's definitely a shift.
That's how I feel.
Maybe there's no evidence.
I didn't take a poll.
I don't know.
But I just look at what happened with this.
It just exploded.
So I feel like...
I feel the churning of people kind of rumbling and wanting to have a solution and recognizing that something's wrong.
Yeah.
It's such a shame, isn't it?
Because I've traveled...
I think I'm old enough to have seen California when it was a...
A desirable place.
So I was at university from 84 to 87 and I had an American friend called Wilton who used to take me on these road trips in America and we did Northern California and Southern California.
So early 80s, mid 80s, I would have still got a taste of how it was, no?
Maybe?
Yes, I think so.
A lot has changed, actually.
We have been eroding from within.
The homelessness, there are some places you go, and I'm grateful, again, to be in the country and away from a lot of the city.
San Francisco's not the same.
That has fallen apart.
So many areas in California have fallen apart.
Oh, San Francisco?
I remember watching that film, Bullet.
Yes.
With the incredible car chase and stuff.
And San Francisco was this place you wanted to live because it had, well, apart from the curvy, the bumps, the bumpy streets.
But it had character and it had, the whole of Northern California actually was a place you'd have wanted to hang out.
Yeah.
And now it's just got turds everywhere, human turds everywhere, hasn't it?
Yes.
Oh no, you're right.
You're right.
I still see the beauty because I live again away from all of us.
But no, it's very sad, actually.
California has been falling apart.
I feel like there was a paper that I read in 2020, and it might have been written in 2019. And I think one of the main authors was heavily funded by the Commonwealth Fund, which...
That sounds evil already.
It is.
And he was paid $1.5 million.
But they were talking about California being one of the pilot states.
For some of this great change, essentially, this great reset that needed to happen.
So California was sort of the target state, along with probably maybe the East Coast, like New York is another one.
And so I knew that we were going to be a model, a pilot state.
And I had a lot of friends that left California when this was all rolling out in 2020. They just said, get me out of here.
They left.
And what I said was, you're only buying time.
Because once this state falls, they're coming for your state, and it'll be one PSYOP after the next, and they'll get your governor or whoever to flip, because that's what they're really good at doing.
They'll blame it on something new.
It'll be a crisis or a disaster.
Now we're coming to find, you know, that people fled to Florida.
Well, Florida's got the genetically engineered mosquitoes.
Florida's having these hurricanes, right?
right?
And we've got all these issues that are happening in these, these states where people thought they would have more flexibility and freedom, but actually it's, they're coming for everybody, James.
And that's why Americans need to buckle down, hold them right where they are, stand their ground and say, not over my dead body.
You're going to register my chickens or burn me out or flood me out or whatever.
So.
I think that's a good way to end this podcast.
And it's been great, Malika.
I've so enjoyed meeting you.
You as well.
I really have.
I look forward to watching more of your shows.
I love your voice.
It's so great to connect.
My mom and I hiked through England with my sister.
She planned the whole trip, but we did the hike.
You hike all day, and then you stay in a bed and breakfast, and you hike another day, you know, 10 to 14 miles.
And we got to see the countryside.
It was beautiful.
Don't ask me where we went.
I love to show up and enjoy the experience.
My mother did the planning.
And I just got to enjoy it.
We hiked with the kids.
So when I come back, I will reach out and say hello.
Can I ask you, I've heard you describe yourself as a farm girl originally.
Can you ride a horse?
You know, I can, but I'm not trained in it.
I rode horses growing up, like riding lessons, and I had friends that had horses.
You don't have to be trained in it.
No, but I mean, like Western style or...
Oh, you can't do...
Yeah, you can't do dressage is what you're saying.
I mean, I can ride a horse, yes.
Do you have horses?
Yeah, yeah, I love horses.
I would love to come ride some horses.
I totally love horses.
They're just the best.
They are.
They're soulful.
They're used in therapy because they can sense a person's emotions and yeah, they're wonderful.
They break your bones, they break your heart.
I had cows and when you have cows, they're very gentle, gentle creatures and...
And, um, that was, I was raised around animals growing up.
So we had a small 10 acre, small farm.
Okay.
Not like farm farm girl, like England farm, but a small 10 acre farm.
We had cows and goats.
Yeah.
Oh, nice.
Lovely.
So I feel like I've come full circle.
So, but I hope I get to meet you one day, Mellow Cat.
Um, tell us, and we'll have to, we'll have to have another chat sometime.
Tell us where.
We can find your writings and your work.
Well, if you wanted to go back five years, I was making videos on BitChute because I had been censored from almost every other platform.
So I will send you my BitChute.
It's bitchute.com forward slash mellowcat with the spelling you see here for my name.
And then Substack as well.
I'm at mellowcat on Substack.
And I started Substack maybe...
I started it a while back, but I didn't really know how to use it.
I've only more recently started making some entries, and some of the topics that I care about are there.
You can find them there, and you can contact me.
Yes, you've done a good analysis of that evil pop video preparing us for transhumanism.
Oh, yes.
Who's the artist?
Oh, what's her name?
It's...
This was...
Ellie Goulding or something?
Well, Ellie Goulding does the vocals.
Okay, so I... It says feet, Ellie Goulding.
Yes, you know what?
I try not to listen to or follow this music anymore.
If you go to my video, you'll see, years ago, I was covering artists like Keisha and Di Antwerd, and I was looking at their symbolism and how dark their symbolism was.
Ritualistic, satanic ritual stuff.
I try not to watch it much anymore, but a friend sent me the video, so all I did was try to just, I still on occasion try to put something out there to show you, they're telling you, folks.
If you see this, they're telling you.
And I have many examples of that on my BitChute channel, but also in a sub stack, I think I covered, I have some hyperlinks that will take you to other videos I've done where I've documented how programming is happening and how they can reach you with, I think, sound and light and messaging.
It's really interesting.
There's a term for it anyway.
So those are the places.
Okay.
That's cool.
Mellow Cat, thank you.
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Because it was great.
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Thank you again, Melika.
Thank you so much for having me again, James.
Have a beautiful rest of your week.
Oh.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when...
The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen Climategate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, okay, if it is a scan, Who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
