Podcast host and natural health evangelist Philly J Lay used to believe in conventional medicine till she was mugged by reality. She tells James of the terrifying medical accident which left her a bloated, morphine addicted wreck and her long journey of discovery and recovery. She is the author of The Natural Wellness Journal, The Wellness Way: Your Natural Health Systems. All her work can be found on phillyjlay.com, where you can sign up for her Day of Healing Wellness event (starring Clive de Carle, Dr Sarah Myhill and others) in London on 6th February
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Welcome to the DellingPod, Philly Lay.
That's how you like to be called, isn't it?
Philly?
Well, it's Philly J. Lay.
The letter J for Joanne.
Philly J. Lay.
Do you call yourself Philly J. Lay?
I do, actually.
My daughters call me Philly J. Slay.
Okay, fine.
Philly J. Lay.
Philly J. Lay it is.
I like when people have got slightly unusual names.
It's actually my name.
It's the name I was born with.
What?
Your surname is J. Lay?
No.
Philippa Joanne Lay.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what I mean.
You've decided to make a big deal of your J. Come on.
No, I did that actually for a very good reason.
I was trying to find somebody on Instagram and I wasn't on Instagram five years ago.
So my daughters set up an Instagram account for me and they put in Philly Lay and there were loads of them.
And so they put the J in for my middle name and I was the only one.
I thought, well, that's my name then.
I had a similar problem.
I had to give myself a ridiculous surname in order to make sure that...
It wouldn't clash with anybody else's, any other podcasts.
So I picked Dellingpole.
And no one, no one is going to be called a crazy name like that.
So I'm safe.
It's a wonderful name.
I love it.
So we met at the, when Barbara O'Neill, the Aussie health guru, came to London.
You had a, sorry, I'm laughing because I'm going to tell you a disgusting story in a moment.
Go on!
I'm going to tell you a moment.
I'm just so amused by it.
It's going to horrify people.
So, I came to the event that there was a sort of gathering of kind of alternative health people, wasn't there, at a vegan restaurant?
So we went to the pharmacy restaurant in West Vaughan Grove, the pharmacy restaurant, and basically what I'd done with my sponsors, Vivo Barefoot Pharmacy and College of Naturopathic Medicine, we decided to host a dinner while Barbara O'Neill was in London for all the, and we don't call ourselves alternative, James, because we didn't alter nature, but all the natural healers.
Yeah, and we had the most phenomenal evening, didn't we?
It was very, very good, despite the fact that one was eating no meat.
It was good.
But it's quite funny.
My psychogeography of London is still stuck in the 90s, I would say.
I lived in London later than that, but I imagine London as it was when I was mainly living there.
When I discovered that the event was at the Pharmacy Restaurant, I automatically assumed it was the now-closed restaurant where they had Damien Hirst.
Do you remember it?
There was a restaurant called Pharmacy on Notting Hill.
No, I don't.
Called Pharmacy, and it had lots of Damien Hirst pill packets and things as their decor.
I mean, it was just one of those trendy places that...
Trendy people went to.
So I automatically...
See, I wasn't trendy.
And I got to the pharmacy and realised that it didn't exist anymore.
And I checked your message and I realised I was at the wrong restaurant.
But I had been experimenting.
A few days earlier, I'd been round to Clive de Carles.
And Clive was at the bash.
And there was the usual weird and wonderful crowd of natural health people at Clive's.
And one of them had cured herself of breast cancer using some kind of cannabis oil type thing.
There's a magical oil, isn't there, that people talk about?
Yes, cannabis oil is phenomenal.
Absolutely phenomenal.
Have you heard of the amazing woman Callie Blackwell?
She wrote a book, A Boy in 7 Billion, and her son was literally just about to die of stage 4 cancer.
And he was in a hospice.
They were waiting.
They said it's maybe 24, 48 hours.
It's over.
Just sit with him.
And she thought of that.
And she went and got a load of pure, really good cannabis oil and started getting it in him.
And then he was getting better and better and better and better.
And the doctors were going, we don't understand it.
And she said, can I take him on holiday?
And they went, oh, we don't think so.
And she went, go on.
I think the sun would do him good.
And basically she took him to a country where she could get him really good cannabis, brought him back a month later, virtually fully cured.
That sounds a good read.
I bet they'd never make a movie of that because they wouldn't want to promote the idea that you can cure cancer without chemotherapy or whatever.
Who knew that?
Did the book sell?
Callie got quite a lot of publicity.
She was on Loose Women and This Morning the book did well.
Yeah, normal TV actually wanted to tell the story because it was so remarkable.
And I've had Callie and her son, Darren, on the podcast twice.
Darren was, oh, you didn't come to the Barbara O'Neill event the following day.
I had Darren up on stage talking about, you know, how...
How old was he when he had this...
14. 14. So, but she lived a bit late, didn't she?
I mean, if she waited until he was on his deathbed before she started making with the...
Well, she didn't know about it.
I mean, she was just literally researching and researching, going, how can I save my son?
I don't want him to die.
What can I do?
And somebody, and she was, she had been taking in a myriad of other herbs and she was using something called SC&T. And she was just trying everything she could.
And somebody said, try cannabis oil.
And she did.
And it just went, wow.
That's, that's amazing.
Okay, well, the cannabis, so, so to continue this, to finish off this, this, this story, I was persuaded to take, Some cannabis pessaries.
Yeah, obviously.
They're a real pain.
Because they have to...
You freeze them.
Because they melt.
And obviously you can't insert them once they've melted.
So you have to shove them up when they're frozen.
Which means that...
You've gone.
You've disappeared, Philly.
I'm back, James.
Oh, what happened?
I lost you.
I don't know.
I lost you.
That was weird.
You just cut out.
You've been freezing for quite a while.
This is really annoying.
Yeah, I'm using the right thing.
Okay.
Well, we'll just have to hope it doesn't do it again.
Maybe the internet doesn't like stories about cannabis pessaries.
There is a very good chance, you know.
So they're a real pain to use.
They don't actually hurt when you shove them in there, but they are a pain to use because you have to have them frozen.
So one time during the course of this treatment, you have to do it for about a month, I was going off to a hotel in Wales for the weekend.
I mean, how do you keep your cannabis pessaries frozen when you're going to a hotel?
So I had to say to the reception desk, I've got this medical thing that needs to be frozen, so we'll put it in the restaurant's deep freeze, whatever.
So they did that.
But you have to think ahead.
Anyway, I had just started the treatment on the...
On the evening of the Barbara O'Neill event.
And I was late.
I'd gone to the wrong restaurant.
And I suddenly had the most terrible bout of the shits.
I was just, you know, I was desperate, desperate, desperate.
And you know how hard it is in London, anywhere these days, to find a public loo.
Or places are very reluctant to let you use their toilet facilities, aren't they?
I knew that I had to get to McDonald's.
And never, never in my life have I been, even in the days when I used to like Big Macs and stuff, never have I been so desperate to get to McDonald's.
It was like the Holy Grail.
It was like this shining place on a hill that I had to reach.
And I got to the McDonald's and there was a queue in the loo.
And I was just...
Anyway, I didn't shit myself.
I did actually, but, well, that's the story, really.
I didn't shit myself, but it was very close before I came to your event.
And then I arrived late and there was, I saw this girl outside the restaurant and I thought, I wonder if she's going to the same...
The same thing as me.
And it was.
And we had a table to ourselves.
And she was great.
She was called Izzy.
Obviously, she was in the natural health realm.
Anyway, we had a good evening.
So, Philly, why am I talking to you?
I mean, what I mean is, tell me about your journey of...
You presumably were...
You believed, like all of us did once, in the conventional...
Health paradigm.
You trusted your doctor.
You believed the NHS was vaguely functioning and stuff.
Sadly so.
So 11 years ago, actually 11 years ago next week, I'd had a very bad back.
My bottom disc had collapsed in my back and I couldn't walk and I'd started wetting myself.
So there's you with the shits and me wetting myself.
And I had to have a spinal fusion.
And they missed my spine with the anaesthetic and I nearly died.
And I just remember coming round in the hospital bed and seeing my now ex-husband and my children.
And I didn't find out till many years later that I'd been unconscious for over 24 hours and Danny was trying to come in and see me and they wouldn't let him.
And then they phoned him that day and said, you need to bring the children in.
And he said, to say goodbye.
And they said, yeah.
And when I came round, there was a mattress and a duvet on the floor.
So I kind of said, Danny, have you been sleeping here?
And he said, no, no, no, that's the registrar.
Well, you kind of know you're in shit when the registrar of a hospital is sleeping.
On your floor next to you.
And apparently, my life was not saved by a surgeon that day.
It was saved by the registrar.
And the only thing she said for 24 hours was, come on, find your happy place.
Where is your happy place?
Come on, let's just go to your happy place.
And I couldn't.
There was nothing in me that could find a happy place.
But when my children came in, they were my happy place.
And the minute I heard their voice...
I heard their voices and I just thought, my girls.
It's my girls.
And I came round.
What a lovely story.
It's almost made me to tears.
The registrar.
She sounds amazing.
I know.
I've never met her.
No.
I didn't find out this story until 2020. Many, many years later.
At my daughter's 18th birthday party, she said, oh, do you remember that time you nearly died, Mum?
I went, no.
And, I mean, I knew that they'd missed my spine with the anaesthetic, but I didn't know I'd nearly died.
And then, you know, even though my husband and I were separated, the whole family was together, and he told me the story then.
And I'm just like, holy crap, really?
Really?
That is extraordinary.
So you didn't know you'd almost died until it was sort of let slip in a birthday party speech.
But I was in agony and I was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
And the thing is that when they discovered that they'd missed my spine with the anaesthetic, they couldn't give me any more anaesthetic or painkillers because they have put it in my body just in the wrong place.
And so the fact that my body shut down, And didn't want, you know, to come out of this cocoon was actually my body protecting myself and going, OK, we can't bring you round because the pain's going to kill you.
And I do remember that scream when they brought me round from the operation.
I let out this scream that I have no idea where it came from.
And even the surgeon said to me at the next consultation, I've never heard a scream like that.
I didn't know a human body could make a scream like that.
And my body just went, oh no, here we go.
We're out of here.
And it just shut me down.
Because when I woke up just over 24 hours later with my children, they were then able to give me painkillers and they gave me a morphine drip.
And I just had to keep hitting the button on the morphine drip and just letting the morphine go into my body.
I then ended up...
In bed for two years, addicted to opioids and alcohol in the most appalling state.
Chronic brain fog, chronic fatigue, frozen shoulder, everything going on.
Didn't leave my bed.
Suicidal.
Really wanted to die.
And then one day I noticed a massive lump in my throat, which turned out to be a tumour.
But I did go to my GP then.
Even though two years down the line, I obviously had no faith in the medical profession after what had happened to me.
And, you know, a couple of years ago, they said the third biggest killer of mankind, and this was published in the British Medical Journal, the third biggest killer of mankind was Western medicine.
Well, I would challenge that now, and I would actually say...
It's the first biggest killer.
It is really the number one because it's responsible for all the others.
Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, they put cancer and heart disease above Western medicine.
Well, you know, let's look at statins.
Let's look at turbo cancers.
You know, there's a lot of things that we could talk about here.
But it is definitely, definitely number one.
Wow.
Philly, what an extraordinary, and you look, I mean, okay, you're looking slightly blurry on my screen, but you're looking in the pink of health, I'd say.
I'm 61 years old and I think I'm doing okay.
You're doing well.
I went to the doctor when I found the tumour and I was this big fat lump that couldn't move.
I mean, I just couldn't move.
I just looked horrific.
And my doctor's like, oh, my God.
And he hadn't seen me since the fusion.
He said, we need to get you into consultants.
He moved heaven and earth.
And I ended up seeing four consultants really quickly.
And I kept sitting there and going, is it connected?
Is it connected?
The shoulder connected?
And it's that song, you know, the thigh bones connected to the, you know, but they don't connect the body.
They are not taught to connect the body.
So the surgeon, who was very sweet, but a surgeon.
Just said, well, I'm just going to take the tumour out.
I'm going to try and keep half of your thyroid if I can, but I can't promise that.
But I don't really know.
Frozen shoulders isn't my thing.
Brain fog isn't my thing.
It's like, okay.
And I have the tumour out, which I deeply regret, deeply regret.
But then I just thought...
Fuck it, I'm giving up Western medicine.
I'm going to find out if my body...
Oh!
I just got you.
I lost you at...
Fuck it, I'm going to give up Western medicine and find something else.
Well, I'll repeat that.
Fuck it.
I'm going to give up Western medicine and find a way to heal myself.
And I did.
And I went on a journey with, I think, remarkable results.
And I was just learning and learning and learning.
And, you know, 2020 happened.
And I'm just like, if everybody knew what I knew, they wouldn't be frightened.
And I'd already started kind of toying with the fact, you know, was there, you know, germ or terrain theory?
And I had gone down enough rabbit holes by 2020 to know that everything we've been told had been a lie.
I think that this is the case for a lot of people who get into natural health.
They have some condition.
Or some experience which conventional medicine is hopelessly inadequate to dealing with.
I mean, in my case, it was Lyme disease or the symptoms thereof.
It doesn't really matter whether it was Lyme or not.
And the same with you.
I think we're still in a minority, unfortunately, aren't we?
Most people...
Well, just take a step back for a moment.
Before your spine experience, did you just think the NHS was great and that medical doctors knew what they're doing and stuff?
Well, I hate to admit it now, but I have private medical insurance because I thought the NHS was on its knees.
And I thought, oh no, I'll get private medical insurance.
My husband took it out for the whole family, going, okay, so we've got all these brilliant doctors.
And I remember my older sister Bud said to me, the NHS is there to mop up the, what was it she said?
It's there to mop up the mistakes of private medicine.
And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about, Julia.
And she went, it's there to mop up, you know, the NHS is there to mop up the mistakes of private medicine.
Because when you go privately, all they want to be doing is making money and money and money and money.
You know, and I had the brilliant Doc Malick on my podcast.
And he talked through, and I'm sure it's been on here, he just talked through how...
Everything is about money.
It's not about...
Sorry.
I think my internet is being hateful today.
It's also very strange how it's taking us down.
I was talking about everything being about money and then when we were talking about cancer and then we were talking...
But do you want me to move to a different position in my house and see if it helps?
No, I don't think it's going to make any difference.
I mean, it could be my internet, I think, maybe.
Anyway, so...
You are there because you're blinking.
I am there.
So am I to understand, is that correct, that private medicine is rubbish?
Or is it good, but it's expensive?
It's about making money.
It is about making money.
And, you know, Doc Malick was talking on my podcast about, you know, when he worked for the NHS and he was doing more operations than any of the other surgeons in his hospital and they told him to slow down.
And then he got, you know, told off because he was cleaning the surgery, you know, the operating theatre.
After operations, because otherwise he was having to wait an hour for somebody to come and clean.
And he'd go, but I'm just, I'm wasting all this time.
And they're going, yeah, that's what you need to do.
Because we need to push the hospital lists up and then they'll come and see us privately.
Oh, wow.
It's a great podcast.
Everything's a racket.
Everything is a racket.
Lawyers are the same.
Would you believe it?
Okay.
Well, we won't go there.
Clearly, I'm going to have to talk to Doc Malick about this.
But, I mean, it's quite a big area, natural medicine.
So, how did you know where to begin your journey?
Was it just random?
Okay.
I didn't know where to begin my journey at all.
But I'm a grower's daughter.
My dad started Pick Your Own Strawberries in the UK after he came back from World War II. He had just enough money to buy a field, a very small field, plant up some strawberries, and he had no money to harvest.
So he was kind of crying as the strawberries just rotted on the plants.
So my mum painted a sign and put it up on the road and said, Pick Your Own.
And that was how Pick Your Own Strawberries started.
And was the harvest saved?
Spoiler alert.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was very much a Darling Buds of May existence, you know, because everybody just came and weighed their containers.
This is how I grew up.
I had no education whatsoever.
Weed their containers.
Where was this?
It was in a little village called Brightwell Cum Sotwall in Oxfordshire.
How nice.
How idyllic.
I know.
I know.
You know, and everybody paid cash, so nobody said anything to the taxman.
So, you know, it was the Darling Buds of May.
And so then it took off, did it?
Yeah, and then other farmers started, growers started doing it.
So basically, I just thought, well, where do I start this journey?
I'll start with diet and nutrition because...
I know a bit about food.
My family were very poor and we had very beautiful tomato sandwiches for Sunday tea.
And that was because my dad didn't grow cheese.
So we just had the tomatoes.
But there is nothing beats a tomato out of a greenhouse freshly picked.
And so I just thought, OK, I've got to start with food.
This two years that I spent in my bed, my 10-year-old daughter was my carer.
Which was appalling for her.
You know, she wiped my bum.
She showered me.
She also made my food, bless her.
But, you know, she couldn't really cook at that age.
So it was that I was having a lot of microwave meals.
And, you know, I was ill.
I was really ill.
So I thought, I've got to clean up my diet.
I've got to go back to my roots.
I've got to go back to my mum's cooking.
And I just started going online and there wasn't the censorship that there is now.
So I went online and I was just, you know, joining summits like the Food Revolution Summit.
And then I stumbled across something called The Truth About Cancer.
And I love those guys.
And that's where I first came across Dr. McCullough.
Robert F. Kennedy, who is going to be, you know, monumental in the government in America very shortly.
I wish I could share your optimism that they all get subsumed by the system, that they all sell out.
Oh, don't say that.
Don't say that.
Okay, I'll bet your fiver you're wrong, because I think he's quite honourable.
And I'm not a betting woman, but I'll still bet you a fiver.
So anyway, that was the only thing I could do.
And I discovered a man called Sayajai.
Extraordinary man.
So there's a publication that is available to everybody on the internet called PubMed.
And it's every single piece of medical research that has ever been done and published all in one place.
And this remarkable man, Sayajai, started something 20 years ago, I think, called GreenMed.
And so through GreenMed, he publishes all of that stuff, which hasn't been double scientific with the placebo and all the rest of it, which is all nonsense.
I mean, just complete and utter nonsense.
So I started learning and it was just like, what the fuck?
What have we been told?
It was just all a lie.
Just briefly, why is the PubMed double-blind, etc., etc.?
Why is it a con?
Well, you know, a lot of the stuff, you have to remember that all the scientists are paid for by Big Pharma.
So they get the results that the person who's paying their wages...
Requires them to get.
And if they don't get that right result, they are asked to go back and do the science again.
and there are very very few independent scientists in the world left yeah so right so i'll clear that one up right back to back to the back to the green med yeah so green med uh you know it doesn't have the scientific uh rubber stamp that pub meds has but it's natural practitioners working on a lot of people on
And I remember, you know, Dr. Michael Mosley, I started watching a lot of his programs, you know, on fasting.
And he wrote that book on fasting and he wrote, he did lots of great research, but none of it's published.
But he did a great series on the placebo effect.
And everybody knows about the placebo effect, but people don't know, most people don't know about the nocebo effect.
So the nocebo effect is when somebody in power, maybe wearing a white coat, tells you that something bad is going to happen to you.
And your body goes...
Oh my God, something bad's going to happen.
Something bad's going to happen.
It's just like when you're having surgery, your body doesn't know if that's a good knife or somebody stabbing you in the street.
It's just like, it's a knife.
Your body doesn't know.
And the more I started discovering this information, I was just blown away.
I was just completely blown away.
And then...
I can't remember what year it was, but my marriage ended because my husband found it very hard to understand the journey that I was going on and my reluctance to go and see a doctor, my anger at the medical system.
I'm not going to lie.
I was severely, severely pissed off with them.
And so I wanted my children to stop having vaccinations, and he couldn't understand that.
And, you know, it kind of went downhill pretty rapidly.
So I actually announced on Facebook, which was the only social media platform I was on, and the only people that were on there were my family and my friends.
But it was our wedding anniversary, and I went to post a picture.
Of our wedding and write, oh, happy anniversary, 22 years.
And I couldn't.
There was nothing in me that could do that.
And I wrote, it's with great sadness after 22 years of marriage that Danny and I have decided to separate.
We had a wonderful wedding, two beautiful daughters, but our paths have gone in different directions and your support and kindness would be greatly appreciated.
Only problem was I'd forgotten to tell my husband and my children.
Oh, whoa.
It's not a moment I'm proud of.
I'm not going to lie.
It's not a moment I'm proud of in any shape or form.
But when you hit rock bottom, when you, and don't forget, I still wasn't healed then.
I was still, we're all a work in process.
We never stopped being a work in process.
But I was still, you know, on my journey.
At the beginning of my journey, you know, kind of a couple of years in.
So I was a lot better and I'd lost a lot of weight and I could walk and I could, you know, I could get on the rebounder because I learned how good that was for you.
So, you know, there was a lot of stuff I was doing, but the pain and trauma that I was still suffering in my body was extraordinary.
You know, this anger, guilt for, you know, what I'd done to my children's lives.
I was suffering from a huge amount of grief because over that period of time, I lost my sister to motor neurones disease, my mum and my two best friends.
So I was in a huge amount of grief and I cried.
And when I posted this, it was two months after my best friend and soulmate had passed and I was in the most appalling place.
And I've been trying to help her and I've been trying to help my mum and my sister and I've been trying to learn all these things and I couldn't learn fast enough and I just felt shit about myself.
So I did that.
But the upshot of that was I got a message from a lady that I hadn't seen for 22 years.
And she messaged me on Facebook and said, don't know if you remember me, it was a long time ago and a short friendship.
But we had such fun.
And basically, I'd been an office junior in an estate agent that she worked in.
And we'd gone clubbing a bit and we'd been to comedy clubs and everything.
We had such fun.
And I'm doing a course in September and I'd really like you to come because I think this could help you.
What's your email?
So I sent her my email and I got the course through.
And it was quite expensive.
I thought it was expensive, but actually it wasn't.
And this is the thing.
You've got to re-imprint what you think is expensive.
Is your health worth the money?
Yeah.
Without it, you've got nothing else.
But anyway, it was called EFT Matrix Re-imprinting.
So I'd never heard of it.
I looked at it and I thought it was expensive.
So I was just about to message her and go, do you know what?
Thank you for the offer, but I'm going to pass.
And a message came through at exactly the same time.
And it just said, by the way, it's a gift.
And when the universe gives you a gift, you take it.
I'm like, I hadn't really heard of the universe, you know, kind of.
I'm like, OK. So I rock up a month later and there's this room of people sitting there.
Doing something EFT, which is otherwise known as tapping.
Oh, okay.
Tapping.
Tapping.
It's so easy to do and it works for absolutely everything.
It just looks as mad as shit.
I mean, it looks mental.
And I'm sitting there and I'm watching them and I'm going, okay, how do I get out of here?
It would be really rude of me just to get up and leave the room.
And I thought, it's okay.
I can do a day of this, and then tomorrow I will just phone in sick.
I've got this.
I can do this.
And then at 11 o'clock on the dot, and I remember it so clearly because she had a clock that chimed, because I was thinking, fucking hell, I've been here for like a week, and it's only 11 o'clock in the morning.
I couldn't get it.
The clock chimed, and I let out this huge scream, and I fell on the floor.
And I started screaming.
To all of them, I was saying, somebody call an ambulance.
I don't know what's going on.
Somebody get me an ambulance.
Get me an ambulance.
And I was crying.
And Penny Kroll, this old friend of mine, picked me up and put me on a chair and started tapping on me.
And I'm going, please don't fucking tap on me.
Just get me an ambulance.
And she was going...
And everybody was sitting on their chairs and they're sitting and they're going through the sequence and they're tapping.
And two hours later, and it was two hours later because...
We were stopping for the one o'clock lunch break.
Penny flicked the TV screen, the slide, and the next topic that we were going to be covering in the afternoon was called chasing the pain.
And she just flicked the side and said, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of chasing the pain.
And I'm like, what just happened to me?
And the thing is with tapping.
You, with the kind of tapping that we do, not so much the tapping solution, the American system, but very much with Carl Dawson's EFT Matrix re-imprint, you visualize the pain in the body and you give it a color and you give it a form and you give it a sud from zero being nothing to 10 and you move the pain around the body.
So Penny kept saying, you know, give it a color, give it a full.
And I couldn't.
I'm going, I can't give it.
I don't know what it looks like.
I just want an ambulance.
I want drugs.
I want medicine.
At the end of that week, I was just like, oh my God, this is what I'm going to do with the rest of my life.
I am going to teach people this extraordinary technique and teach them to heal themselves, completely heal themselves.
And when I started the course, and I couldn't really understand the woman sitting next to me, We all introduced ourselves.
And this was, you know, this was over 10 years ago.
She had been given, she'd been told to go home and get her affairs in order because she had stage four cancer in three parts of her body.
And they said, we're not going to give you, we can't give you chemo.
There's no point.
You've also got a brain hemorrhage.
She'd been very high up in amnesty flying around the world in private jets with Bono.
And she just kind of thought...
He probably gave it to her.
Or no cancer.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Do you know what?
The Daily Mail last week had a headline of a new first with a doctor, a surgeon, who said he caught cancer from one of his patients.
You can't make this stuff up.
I posted it on my story.
And I put three days into the new year and the bollocks have started.
So, you decided this was going to be your life because it worked.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's very interesting, the whole cancer thing.
And of course, you get shut down by this because the system is so vested in...
Well, you know why, James?
You know about the 1939 Cancer Act?
Yes.
Yeah.
I do, but just tell us about it, just briefly.
So in 1939, the British government had invested very heavily in something called chemotherapy, and it wasn't working.
And you also have to remember, and I'm not saying anything here, but I'm just going to put this out there.
What year did the war start?
World War II? Oh, 1939. Who paid for all the gas chambers?
Because Hitler didn't have that kind of money.
And what were the gases that they were using?
Farmer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they were testing chemotherapy gases.
Oh, I see.
Yes, I haven't been down that rubber hole, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Well, that's what everything that I've learned.
Seems to very heavily point to.
And the 1939 Cancer Act came in to say that it was illegal to treat cancer in any other way but cut and burn, you know, surgery, chemotherapy.
And that law still exists and a doctor will go to prison if somebody dies from cancer who has not had chemotherapy and surgery.
It is quite extraordinary, isn't it?
That on our statute books or in our law books, there is this law which denies you the bodily autonomy that we all thought we had.
Surely, if you're dying of something, it should kind of be up to you to make the decision how you treat yourself.
I'm just going to re-imprint you and stop you there, James, because you're not Dying of something.
Cancer.
We all have cancer in the body.
Every single one of us.
And when the cancer cells clump together, it's not there to kill you in any shape or form.
It's there to give you a whacking great big slap around the chops and tell you that something is wrong with your lifestyle.
And you've got to sort it out.
Here's the warning, buddy.
Go and sort it out.
Go and find out what's wrong with you.
And the body is completely capable of healing itself when you know what to do.
And for everybody, that is different because we are all the study of one in the same way that we have a different fingerprint, we have a different eyeball, we have different DNA. And your DNA, by the way, is irrelevant to whether you get cancer or anything like that.
Less than one.
I'm not sure I even believe in DNA. I think it's more made up shit.
Yeah, I mean, it's, I believe it's there, but it means, nah, it's just, it means, well, no, because I've interviewed Dr. Bruce Lipton, who is like the godfather of DNA, and he worked.
He's going to be the godfather of DNA. He's not going to be saying, nah, forget about DNA. It's rubbish.
No, honestly, he left the system.
And the reason that Dr. Bruce Lipton left the system was he was working on it and he was told to publish the research about how important DNA was to isolate it and to say, okay, so you've got a cancer gene, you've got this gene, you've got an Alzheimer's gene.
So he was told to do this and they started the big DNA bank, you know, where everybody had to put their DNA in to collect all this research.
And why were they doing that?
If they could find the DNA that was going to make you sick, they could give you a drug that they would tell you would stop it.
So he was working and he was late one night in the lab and he'd taken some DNA and he put it into the same DNA, split it into different little dishes and he's working on it and he puts different cultures around it.
And this DNA, he comes back the next morning and...
Some of it's grown into bone, some of it, the next dish has grown into muscle, and the next dish has grown into fat.
And he's looking at this and he's going, OK, so it's nothing to do with the DNA, nothing.
It is purely the culture around it.
It's the environment.
And so he went to his bosses and said, hey, I've made this huge discovery.
DNA means nothing.
And he was promptly fired.
Oh, so he does agree with us.
With me, anyway.
Yeah, I mean, DNA does exist, but it's irrelevant to our health.
Okay, that's interesting.
Okay, so it's not genetic.
I don't think many people watching this are going to be thinking, oh yeah, cancer's mainly genetic.
Well, maybe they are, but they shouldn't.
Honestly, I've had a little tango with cancer again six months ago, and I interviewed somebody for my podcast on thermograms.
So they said, do you want to come and have a thermogram?
So I will never have another mammogram again in my life, okay?
They're incredibly dangerous.
They really squeeze them, don't they?
They're horrible.
It's unbelievably painful.
It's been banned.
Mammograms have been banned in four countries already in Europe, including Switzerland, as an investigative procedure.
They are incredibly dangerous.
And the thing is that if they find a tumour in your body, and I've been through this now with my throat.
I had lots of biopsies done because they couldn't get a reading.
But when you have that tumour and it's there, It's telling you what's wrong.
And you put a needle in there.
What are you doing?
You're disturbing.
Yeah.
You're making it metastasise.
Yeah.
So they're going, OK, you didn't want me to stay together.
Where shall I go now and find something wrong?
Oh, I'll go over here.
I'll go over here.
And that's why people get secondary cancers, because the root cause is never treated and everybody's biopsied.
So, I mean, I refused a mammogram.
I refused a biopsy after I'd had this thermogram.
So the thermogram just doesn't touch you.
It doesn't have the radiation, but it shows where there's inflammation, which shows up red heat in your body.
So I had a big red lump in my right boob.
So I thought, OK, I've got to do something.
Now, that doesn't mean it's cancer as in a big lump.
But there is inflammation that can turn into cancer.
First thing I did was I booked to go on retreat for a week and I did a five-day juice fast followed by a three-day water fast.
Got my body into autophagy because when you go into autophagy by fasting, all the mitochondria are just swimming around going, oh, what shit have we got to eat?
And they're just eating up the crap.
And that's why I intermittent fast every day.
Do you?
Yep.
So that means skipping breakfast?
I have my first meal.
So it's called break fast because what you're doing is breaking the fast.
And so when I started, and again, this is one of the things I learned.
So when I started my healing journey, it's like, okay, I'll break the fast half an hour later every day.
So that's how I got into it.
I've just done, I have a community, a lovely community who subscribe and join me every month on a Zoom and we've got a lively WhatsApp group.
And, you know, we're in January at the moment, which is not the new year.
The new year is not in the middle of winter.
It is the spring equinox.
So, a lot of my community wanted to kind of, after Christmas, feel a bit better about themselves.
And somebody kind of said, should we do a water fast?
And I went, not in the middle of winter.
That is not a time that I would do a water fast.
I'm a massive proponent of bone broth.
So I said, why don't we do a three-day?
So optimal is 72 hours.
So I said, why don't we do a three-day bone broth fast?
And I'll support you through it.
And I'll go on my live on Sunday and I'll make two different types of bone broth so that we can chop it up a bit so we're not getting bored of the same bone broth every day.
Okay.
So it's just pushing your body outside the comfort zone.
You're making me feel...
So I did a some intermittent fasting today, but only because this is the day that my wife goes to the office and she's not monitoring me when I'm not.
She's not going, why aren't you having breakfast?
Because she thinks that everything I believe in is just kind of completely woo nonsense.
Number one.
And number two, she thinks she's right.
I'm underweight that I do need to bulk up a bit.
And so she thinks that because I'm fasting.
that therefore I'm denying myself nutrients and stuff.
Whereas actually what I did today for my lunch, do you know what I had for my lunch to make up for my lack of breakfast?
Tell me.
I had a three egg omelette with cheese, and then I had a steak, half an enormous avocado, and, well, that was it.
Okay, that's good.
I would add some green leafy vegetables to that.
You know, green leafy vegetables are one letter notice.
Does that count?
Well, lettuce is one of those difficult ones.
You know, it's soporific, so it does make you a little bit sleepy.
But it's one of those plants that, if it's iceberg lettuce, it has zero nutrients.
It's absolute.
No, I don't eat iceberg.
So the darker, the better.
You know, we've got the first stage of photosynthesis.
We need really dark, green, leafy veg.
So what green veg should I have had instead?
I'm a big fan of spinach, but again, with all the leafy vegetables, and this is also lettuce and tomato, spinach, all of these, there's something, there's a list called the Dirty Dozen, which are the 12 most sprayed plants that absorb that glyphosate.
So you've got to be very, very careful on those.
So it's really important to eat those organically.
I mean, eat organically as much as you can because the glyphosate is a poison.
And you put on top of that the 80,000 plus other toxins that are around us.
You know, I'm sitting here.
I look like I've got makeup on, but I'm glowing a bit.
But I'm glowing because it's actually natural oils that I've blended with nutrients in them that I use as a substitute for makeup.
But, you know, I've got furniture in here that has been bought from stalls and that's all got fire retardant on it.
Yes.
We are surrounded by these terrible...
Toxins.
And none of them, they might have been tested individually, but none of them have been tested with each other to see what effect.
So you're sitting in a room of maybe...
Well, the average woman, to give you an example, the average woman puts 126 chemicals on their body before they leave the house in the morning.
That is literally...
Just through having a shower, cleaning your teeth, maybe washing your hair, putting your makeup on, putting your, oh, I have to tap as I say the word perfume on.
Perfume is the new smoke, although smoke, nicotine is extremely good for you.
But, you know, you just, if you think of that 126 chemicals that you put on to leave the house.
That doesn't include all the chemicals around you.
That doesn't include if you've gone to cook your breakfast and you've used a nonstick pan.
So Teflon were taken to court many years ago for forever polluting the waterways.
And there's that great movie that came out in 2020. Well, it didn't come out.
That was the problem.
They started publicizing it.
And I can't remember the actor who was in it because it was a while ago.
It was on Graham Norton and everything, talking about it.
And then the lockdown happened a week later.
So nobody got to see this amazing movie called Dark Waters.
So if you have a look at Dark Waters, that will teach you the story of Teflon.
And Teflon have got away with it.
They continue to use the chemicals.
They've changed, like, one ingredient.
Or renamed one ingredient or something.
I mean, it's nothing.
People, and I remember my children's school uniform, and we had to buy this school uniform.
And I got ours from M&S, and it was non-crease.
And the headmistress said, no, it's got to be non-crease because I don't want them all looking, you know, a mess all day at school.
But what makes fabric non-crease?
Teflon.
And this is leeching into our children's bodies from the moment they start school.
Or, you know, I mean, there are even parents of babies that buy non-crease stuff, thinking it looks smarter, you know.
And we're just leeching our children.
And then, you know, there's been a lot of research on things like, you know, there was a frog, a very famous frog experiment, where they were putting some of these chemicals, forever chemicals they're called, into the water, and the frogs changed sex.
Yep.
So, you know, we're hitting our children from every single direction.
Not we.
I mean, they.
Yeah.
Maybe you're in the cabal.
I'm not, Philly.
No, no.
I'm not going to disagree with you, James.
I would say we.
Because the thing is that most people say, I would die for my children.
How many people say, I will research for my children?
And it's down to us now.
Because don't forget, none of this exists unless we buy it.
I haven't bought food in a mainstream supermarket since I started my healing journey.
I buy my food at Riverford Farms or I've got a local organic grower down the road.
She doesn't even have time because she's on the field to run a farm shop.
So she puts her produce in there and has an honesty box.
So you can go and find solutions.
I believe with all of my heart that there are two places, if you want to be healthy, there are two places that you have to keep out of.
The first is a supermarket.
The second is a doctor's surgery.
And if you can keep well away from those two places, you're standing a good chance.
That's quite a big ask, isn't it?
It is.
It's not.
It's not.
With the C word last year, my youngest daughter got very, very hysterical and very cryy and wanted me to go and see a doctor.
And I said, darling, I have seen a doctor.
I saw Dr. Nijon, the natural doctor on Harley Street, who had given me very kindly this thermogram in order for me to interview him and know what I was talking about.
That's the only reason I had it.
And she said, no, I mean a proper doctor.
And I'm going...
He is a proper doctor.
He spent 14 years training as a doctor, a scientist, and then a doctor again.
He worked in A&E, darling.
He's a brilliant doctor.
And she was like, she got so frustrated with me.
So eventually I booked a doctor's appointment and I said, I'm not having a mammogram.
So I'm just here.
And they're going, why are you here?
I'm going, because my daughter asked me to come.
And they're going, you've got no fear, have you?
None at all.
You know, there is nothing that can hurt me.
So I promptly agreed to have, I can't even remember what it's called now, ultrasound.
So I had some ultrasound and I went along to see an oncologist and he'd go, why are you here?
I'm going, because my daughter keeps crying.
He's going, you've got no fear.
I'm going, no, I know.
It's nothing I can't handle.
I was going, okay, what are you doing for it?
And I said, oh, well, Dr. Eccles has got me on, what am I on?
Iodine, Luggles iodine and vitamin E, succodate.
And I said, and I'm meditating on it.
And this oncologist looked at me and said, oh, I meditate.
I said, do you?
I said, do you want to see some pictures of what I've done with my boob?
And I showed him.
And it's quite remarkable.
And I didn't touch it.
I literally kept my hand away and just said, Thank you so much for showing up today.
Thank you for showing up and telling me that I'm not looking after myself.
I'm really sorry.
And I promise you that I am now.
And with all due respect and with kindness and with love, I'm going to ask you now to fuck off.
And I just did that and I tossed it away every morning, 10 minutes morning, 10 minutes a night, sometimes 20 minutes.
And my boob...
Do they like being sworn at?
Do you think?
Well, I... I think my body knows me quite well, and people ask why I don't swear so much for a spiritual person, and I keep saying it's because my fucking throat chakra's blocked, which is why I had the tumour there, because my throat...
Why did I raise that one?
Because actually, you are quite sweary.
I mean, I love you for it, but this is unusually sweary for my podcast.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I can see that some people are going...
Let's slap a...
I did encourage you earlier, but let's slap an X working on it.
Sorry, I came to see you live with the wonderful Dr. Mike Eden, and you were swearing in that, so I didn't think it was off-bounds, and I think my audience and my podcast...
That was very naughty.
Yeah, you did.
I'm not judging.
I'm not judging.
I was observing.
I'm sorry.
Merely observing.
No, my mother used to say it's a lack of unintelligence.
And I said, no, it's not.
It's a lack of frustration.
And it's because nobody's hearing, you know, kind of, you know, you shout as loud as you can.
And that's what I've been doing since 2020. You know, I was saying 2020 came and I'm just like, why is nobody getting this?
Why do people not understand that there's nothing to be frightened of?
And I thought, what can I do?
And, you know, at that point, I was just about to open a retreat and teach people EFT, Matrix, Reimprint.
I also trained as a Soma Breathwork coach, love Soma Breath, to teach people, you know, their ability to heal themselves.
And I just thought, no, no, no, no, no, not on my watch.
And so I sat down and in two and a half months I wrote a book called The Natural Wellness Journal and in it I charted very, very simply all the ways that I had used and all the different modalities and techniques that I'd used to heal myself naturally as a journal prompt because journaling I think is a really important part of working out what's going in your body, what's going on emotionally.
Looking at past trauma, ancestral trauma, past life trauma, you know, we've got a lot that we have to uncover.
How do you do past life trauma?
Okay, so I do it through this technique, EFT matrix re-imprint.
EFT is so easy.
It's basically acupuncture without the needles.
And you can do it on your own all day, every day.
I mean, I tap maybe four or five times a day.
If I turn the car radio on and the news is there and I haven't had time to turn it off because I don't listen to the news, I have to tap while I turn it off.
So that's great.
Just briefly, briefly, before you go on, how accurate do you have to be in the tapping points?
As accurate as you can be on the points, but the order actually makes no difference.
And so we do it in the UK. So in America, they start with these two points between the eyes.
In the UK, we start on the top of the head.
So basically, you're working through the energy meridians of your body.
So it's top of the head, and it's five, six, seven little taps.
Between the eyes.
Can you take me through it now?
Yep.
Okay, so use a couple of fingers so we've got a little bit of reach and you're looking at the crown of your head here.
Yep.
So that's your tapping point.
First of all, you have a setup statement.
If we're going to do the points, so this is your setup statement on the side of your hand.
And this is really important to know.
This is where you set up what you're going to tap on.
And you go, even though, even though.
I have this back pain.
And then you give yourself some love.
So I say I love and accept myself.
But when I started, I couldn't say I love and accept myself.
So we worked on I'm willing to love and accept myself and I couldn't do that.
And so I had to go back to I am enough.
I am enough.
I am willing to love myself.
And then, once you've done that three times, the setup statement, then you tap through and chase the pain.
So it's the top, and this is called the sequence, it's the top of the head, and then it's between the eyes, just on this bone here.
And then you follow the bone round here, and it's the side of the eye.
So tap there, and then...
Go to the side of eye.
I just did this to show you because you can feel the eye sockets there.
So, you know, you're on your bone once you learn how to do it properly.
So it's just on the side there.
And then you're going to continue with that eye socket under the eye.
And do the under eye.
And then you're going to do the nose.
So that's just between the nose and the lip.
And then the chin.
There.
So it's just in that crease on your chin.
Yeah, yeah.
Then the collarbone.
So the collarbone, you come down the collarbone and use two fingers and go down about an inch where the collarbone ends.
So it's just there.
Yeah.
And then under the arms.
So that's kind of coming down from where your bra strap would be under your boob.
So you can do that as the monkey.
And I had a lot of posts taken down when they were talking about the monkeypox because I was doing a lot of tapping and making monkey sounds and then getting my banana out and eating it.
And then we've got the wrists.
So you can tap on your wrists like this, or you can just cross your wrists over and let them tap on each other, which is what I do.
And then the side of the thumb, I'm just trying to show your camera.
Hang on.
So that's the side just where the nail is, very gently there.
Can you see that, James?
I can't see that.
Move across.
I'm doing it upside down there.
So basically you're just looking.
I'm trying to get some background in.
There, there.
Can you see it there?
And you're tapping on the side there.
On the side of where?
Which finger?
On the side of your thumb.
Yeah.
And then you work down through the fingers.
So you're tapping just by the nail, but on the side and working through your fingers like that.
Both sides?
One side will do.
You can do both sides if you like to be symmetrical.
I just do one side.
And the thing is that if you're sitting on a tube and you're late for something really important, that dream job that you've always wanted.
You will look completely mad sitting there going like this.
No, I don't.
I don't care either.
Exactly.
But you can just sit there with your hands between your legs and tap just on your fingers.
So once you've mastered the art of tapping, you will find something called your comfort point.
And that is a point that just releases tension.
So for me, it's the collarbone.
So when anything triggers me, I just tap on my collarbone and it's amazing.
I'll just say, even though I probably did it very badly and very quickly, I do feel slightly, slightly, slightly better.
That's really good to hear.
I know because we were messaging earlier, you'd had a bit of a fraught day.
Yeah, usual things, but it's those usual things, those triggers that set us up.
You know, we wake up in the sympathetic nervous system and then the triggers start.
And, you know, all of those little triggers going off social media, hearing the news, you know, whatever it is, getting stuck in traffic, being late for something, kids late for school.
And then your body, just the stress levels go up and up and up.
And then there will be a trigger that will crash you right down.
Into the parasympathetic.
And then your body will have a healing peak.
And it'll go, OK, this isn't going according to plan.
We need to heal.
And it shoots right up in a healing peak.
Now, that healing peak can be anything from a heart attack is a healing peak.
It's, you know, more commonly, it could be something like, you know, where you have that little sniffle in your throat.
Yes.
And you're kind of like, oh, I'm getting a cold.
And then the stress will take you, crash you down.
Another trigger, take you right up and turn that into the flu or a really nasty cold.
Or you might have a little bit of nausea.
And then the stress will take you up, crash you down, trigger, take you up to vomiting and diarrhea.
So your body is always trying to heal yourself.
You know, a fever, a fever is a healing peak.
And yet, you know, I as a mother grew up being told that we had to suppress our children's fevers and give them cowpole.
It's a healing peak.
A little fact as well for you, James, is an orgasm is a healing peak.
Is it?
Yes.
So that, okay.
Oh, so one should have sex regularly as a kind of healing thing.
Yeah, it's a healing peak because it completely relaxes the body.
But when you've got a fever, I mean, obviously on all the movies, they're always applying cold compresses.
They are indeed.
One shouldn't at all.
One should just let the fever burn out.
Let the fever burn out.
And, you know, there might be a time with a child over 40 degrees that I might consider doing something about it.
Or, you know, I would because, you know, it can get out of control.
But anything under 40 degrees, find out why you've got that fever.
So, you know, there was a saying my mum always used when I was a child, feed a cold, starve a fever.
So fast.
We're coming back to fasting.
Yes.
Well, I mean, I'm reading between the lines.
I'm guessing you're not a Christian.
But a lot of what you're saying accords with what Jesus teaches us.
The number one thing, my favourite saying of Jesus is, physician, heal thyself.
Now, the thing is, I believe in the majority of things that have been written in the Bible.
I think the teachings of Jesus Christ were extraordinary.
Extraordinary.
I believe that there is a force far, far greater than us that guides us.
But I don't know what to call that force.
So I call it the universe, but I believe it's the same as God.
I'm...
There's always this rift between the Christians and the non-Christians among us awake types.
And the only reason I was mentioning it is I kind of...
I can't be doing...
There will be some Christians who will be watching this and they're going, she talked about past live regressions.
I'm...
She's away with the fairies.
I'm not going to...
Whereas...
I don't take that for you at all.
I think you're great and I think what you're saying is interesting.
I was just pointing out that there are prayer and fasting as well.
This is another thing that Jesus teaches.
The thing is that fasting is really important.
Fasting is really important.
But I'm going to come back to the DNA. So with my belief that DNA exists but does not affect our health.
Less than 1%.
But there is something called DNA that they've isolated.
We accept that we pass our DNA on to our families, our children.
And, you know, that's why.
And I was talking about my little dance with cancer.
And when you go and see a doctor, the first thing they ask you is say, what's the history of breast cancer in your family?
And I go, it's irrelevant.
And they go.
Well, no, we have to ask.
And I go, yeah, but it's irrelevant.
They're going, well, has anybody had it?
I'm going, I'm not going to answer.
It's irrelevant.
And then I quote Dr. Bruce Lipton.
They love me.
And then I quote Dr. Bruce Lipton.
They went, yeah, I heard that.
But it's still the first question on the list that we have to ask you.
And I'm like, okay, I don't have to answer.
But we accept DNA. But if we accept that.
How do we not accept that we take on the trauma from...
You see, I do believe in reincarnation.
And I believe that, you know, people go on about the planet being overpopulated, which is complete and utter rubbish, as you know.
There's less people...
Yeah, sure.
It's in the bedroom.
Hang on.
Sorry about that.
On the dressing table.
You're not making tea, are you?
That means can you make tea?
Do I need anything from the shops?
For my curry.
No, I think I'm good.
Thank you.
That's my daughter going to a place that you would disapprove of.
It's like hell's portals.
It's the supermarket.
Oh, a supermarket.
She's going to Waitrose.
Is she?
But you see, here's the thing, because Waitrose gets a better wrap than a lot of the others, and they bought in organic food before the others did.
But it's all wrapped in plastic.
And it's just the hypocrisy of...
You don't need to preach to me.
I get you.
I hear what you say.
It is not given to many of us to be as strong as you.
You were saying that we inherit these kind of conditions from the past, that they're sort of somehow passed down intergenerationally.
I very much believe that trauma is passed down.
I mean, I've worked with people...
Myasms.
Sorry?
Myasms.
Myadam.
They're called myasms.
Right, I've never heard that.
Myasms.
You've never heard it?
No!
Philly, this is so your thing.
You don't know what a myasm is?
No!
I just call it past lives.
No, myasms are these things that, for example, if you had a...
An ancestor with syphilis, for example.
You might have a syphilis miasm.
And these are things.
Yeah, yeah.
So here I am.
I found a rabbit hole where I'm further down than you are.
You have indeed!
A health rabbit hole.
I mean, I think there's loads of other rabbit holes.
Oh, there are so many rabbit holes.
Isn't it fun?
So out of interest, why do you believe in reincarnation?
Have you had any experience of this?
My sister who died was really, really interested in it.
And there were so many different books that she read and things that she showed me as a child.
Like this man, this is kind of 50 plus years ago she told me about this, but this man had a dream that he was...
In the north of England, or he was somewhere in Yorkshire, and there was a stone wall, and in it was a load of money, gold.
And he woke up and he told his wife about this, and she went, don't be so stupid.
And he went, I don't know.
He said, it was so vivid, the dream.
I just want, can we go on holiday to Yorkshire this year?
And just walk stone walls.
And they went, and he actually found a stone wall.
And was moving stone.
He knew exactly where to go.
It came quite quickly to him.
And there was a ton of gold there.
And then he discovered that his grandfather or great-grandfather had put it there.
And I remember my sister telling me this.
And reading me this book, and I'm like, no.
But the more I look into it, and I've, with Matrix Reimprint, so use tapping to go into the Matrix.
You don't go into the Matrix.
You send an echo, an energetic version of yourself, a little echo, out into the Matrix to deal with trauma.
And so if you're dealing with something that in your life has been very, very traumatic, so I've dealt with things like attempted rape out in the matrix, so the person, you put them in a bubble.
Or you put a sheet of glass there.
Or you make them very, very small so they can't hurt you.
You bring your angel wings in.
And I always have my angel wings around me.
I bring my angel into me every morning and every evening.
So I bring my angel wings in.
I know I'm safe.
And then I can just tap.
And while I tap, I can just talk to this person about what they did to me and how it made me feel.
And then...
The thing that I love most about the Lord's Prayer, and I think the Lord's Prayer is actually the most important prayer in the Christian religion ever.
It totally is.
It's the number one.
Number one.
I've had an independent confirmation of this.
Yeah.
And in there, gratitude and forgiveness are covered.
Now, there is so much research on gratitude and forgiveness.
And, you know, just having that attitude to gratitude, waking up every day.
And so I wake up and I do something called the Silvo technique.
So I count back from 50 and go into a very deep state and just relax my body and get rid of trauma, visualize my day.
And then my alarm clock goes off, which is this very beautiful classical music.
And with that, I breathe in gratitude.
I breathe out love.
And I forgive anybody that I have to forgive.
So, you know, the Lord's Prayer covers gratitude, forgiveness, the whole shebang, everything you need to do to be healthy.
And I truly believe that.
Okay.
You're so interesting that I can go in any number of directions.
Which rabbit hole next, love?
Well, no, I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking we've got about, we've probably got about 10 minutes because I need a cup of tea and I want to have something to eat.
Or do I want something to eat?
What do you think after that lunch?
Do you think I should have some tea, shouldn't I? Are you having herbal tea or are you having...
Oh, no, no, no, listen, you take my...
My black tea away from me from my cold, dead hands.
I know it's got chlorine in it.
I know it's got...
You will not take my...
Please tell me you filter your water.
Yeah.
You do filter your water.
Yeah.
You get all the chlorine out.
I bet there's chlorine in the tea and there's fluoride in the tea.
Except I haven't got...
Sorry, I meant fluoride in the tea.
I haven't got a fluoride filter.
I've got a Berkey, right?
But I haven't paid for the fluoride filters.
I've got the fluoride filters underneath.
But you know, Berkey have just gone bust.
Have they?
Last year, yeah, they got put into administration because they have had so many lawsuits against them in America from the agencies saying that they can't claim the benefits to health that they claim.
Oh, I see.
So they are victims of this horrible...
Yeah.
That's awful.
I know.
I know.
So who...
Where does one get one's water filter thing?
I'm working on that at the moment.
I'm testing three at the moment, but I haven't got a definitive answer for you yet.
You mean I can't get a replacement?
No.
The charcoal.
So I've got the charcoal and then I've got the white fluoride ones underneath.
Yeah.
But no, I can't get replacements at all.
But I think there is a make that is doing the charcoal one that fits called Borax.
Is that?
But I tried to get a delivery and they don't deliver to the UK. I'm testing new water systems, but no.
That is extraordinary.
I know.
I know.
I mean, you can get one of those things you have installed under your sink, can't you?
Yes.
I'm looking at the water too at the moment, but that isn't taking out fluoride.
In this model, but they are working on a new model because I've been talking to the company and they are working on a new model which will get the fluoride out.
Fluoride, you've got to get it out of your water.
But it's not just that.
You mentioned earlier Clive De Karl.
And, you know, I've done a couple of podcasts with Clive and I absolutely adore that man.
His knowledge is crazy.
But Clive did a YouTube experiment where he filmed testing water for chlorine, actually it was.
And he used a swimming pool stick, you know, tested it.
Yep.
The drops went in, turned blue.
Yep.
Chlorine in there.
Put his hand in, literally for a few seconds.
Whizzed it round, took it out, tested the water, no chlorine.
Then put a lump of potato in, put the drops in, no chlorine testing.
So our skin and our food is absorbing everything that we put on it.
So can I tell you Clive's instant fix for that one?
It's not a panacea, unfortunately, because it doesn't cover things like showers.
Showers are really bad.
But if you take your Lugol's iodine, as he prescribes, the iodine displaces chlorine and bromine and the others.
So I have 10 drops of that a day.
And also putting a teaspoon of vitamin C into your bath if you're having a long bath.
I mean, it's quite expensive.
It is.
But it's better than...
But it doesn't cover...
So when I go for a sauna, and all the good I do in the sauna is then undone by my cold shower afterwards.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It probably evens out, doesn't it?
The benefits of the cold shower are sort of cancelled out by the chlorine therein.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we don't know.
And the thing is that you can't get too hung up and panicky about this because you've got to enjoy your life.
And, you know, earlier we talked about nocebo effect.
And when I started training with Penny Kroll, because I was so, I wouldn't have any gluten, any sugar, everything had to be organic.
And so I bring all my own food in, in metal glass, you know, jars, kilner jars, and everybody else would go to the cafe at lunch and say, Come to the cafe with everybody that's training.
I can't eat any of that stuff.
I don't know what they've washed their plates up in.
I don't know what their knives and forks.
And so when she started working with me as a client, she said, do you know how much pressure you put on yourself?
You are a nervous wreck that you're being poisoned.
And you're putting it on us.
You're laying your trip on us.
You're demanding standards.
Impossibly high standards.
No, I think it's really easy to live on the 80-20 rule of life.
My mum always said, pick your poison.
And so now I do.
I've taught myself that I can eat gluten.
I've reprogrammed my brain.
The first Christmas after my divorce, my ex-husband and I were invited with the children to some dear friends of ours a couple of weeks before we turned.
They weren't bakers, no.
But a couple of weeks before, no, they definitely aren't bakers.
We'd had an argument, so Danny pulled out.
But, you know, the husband phoned Danny, talked him back in.
Week later, another argument, I pulled out.
Lizzie phoned me, back in.
And then at the end of that conversation, she said, right, what are we feeding you on Christmas Day?
I went, right, I'm just bringing my own food and it'll all be sealed up in jars and I'll bring my own pans.
And she was going, no, no, no, no, you're not coming.
I am coming.
You've invited me.
And I swore at her and said, I am coming.
I said, I'm going to be there.
But I woke up on Christmas morning and I was feeling again that shame that I had upset Liz about the food that she was going to cook on that Christmas day.
And my children were older, so they didn't wake up as early on Christmas morning.
So I lay there for two hours and I meditated and I... Tapped that I could eat anything I wanted that day and nothing, nothing was going to hurt me.
We arrive at their house and, oh, excuse me, as I take breath, we walk in, there's a table laid with mince pies, chocolate, Christmas cake, and I just pick up and start eating and my children are going, Mum, stop it!
I'm going...
It's fine.
Nothing can hurt me.
And they're going, stop it!
Because I used to turn into this bright red patchy lobster.
And then I would vomit on the floor.
And that would happen within a 10-minute process.
I'm going, I'm absolutely fine.
Nothing can hurt me today, darlings.
And I ate, and I'm sorry, I do have to swear.
I ate shit all day.
Just rubbish.
All day.
And nothing happened to me.
And my children would go, what have you done?
I'm going, I told you.
I've had a word.
Everything's okay.
And the next morning, I woke up and I could smell croissants in the oven.
And I hadn't had a croissant for like two years.
And they were my favourite, favourite food in the world.
Ran downstairs, grabbed a croissant, slapped on the butter, slapped on the jam, put it in my mouth, promptly, red lumps everywhere.
And I was sick on the kitchen floor.
Because you hadn't done the prep.
I hadn't primed my brain.
You are such...
I could have told you that.
I know.
You silly filly.
But we have these extraordinary powers.
Okay.
Now look, I don't even like the implied criticism that I might be about to have a cup of tea because that's what I need.
No, I was going to say to you, I was a 10...
Ten cups of builder's tea a day, girl me.
I loved it.
The only reason I drink herbal tea now is it was part of my healing journey.
I grow and forage my own teas.
I blend them myself and I love doing that because I kind of figure I weigh up the good and the bad in my life and my herbal teas now make me happy.
I used to think, They were wee, and people really shouldn't be drinking them, and they should be drinking builder's tea.
If I lived in Kenya, I would be foraging my own tea too, but I don't at the moment.
So...
Enjoy your builder's tea.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it is leaf tea.
Anyway...
Also, I can hear the dog padding out, and the dog is not allowed upstairs, but it's telling me that it's feeding time, which is fair enough.
So before we go, I'll have you on again, Philly, because you've been very entertaining, and I'm sure you've got so much more to tell me.
Tell us what thing you're eager to promote at the moment in your life.
Okay, so I believe that there is a new health system.
Well, it's the old health system is having a resurrection, the new NHS, natural health system.
And there are lots of wonderful practitioners and speakers and doctors around the UK, and we're all joining forces.
And we're coming together on the 6th of February at the College of Naturopathic Medicine in central London.
It's Percy Circus, five minutes from King's Cross.
And we're starting the first Central London Health Hub.
And what this is going to be is it's for anybody and everybody who would just like to find other ways of healing themselves rather than going to a doctor.
And so it's very reasonable.
It's £20 to come in for the day.
And that will get you access to all the classrooms are being turned over into practitioners' rooms.
So you can talk to herbalists, you can talk to acupuncturists, EFT practitioners.
You know, we've got the whole gamut of people there.
So you just put your name down on a list, wander around.
We've got four workshops going on.
We've got one on the vagus nerve and the importance of metaconsciousness with the vagus nerve.
My favourite.
Yeah, we've got wonderful workshops going on.
We've got one on detox, how important it is to detox the body.
So you have to enjoy the things that you want in life.
You've got to embrace them with all of your heart, like your tea, like your steak, whatever you want.
But you also need to learn to detox it.
So we've got a great detox workshop going on.
And then we've got the main kind of stage area, kind of two big classrooms that join together at CNN. We're building a little podcast stage there for the Wellness Way podcast, which is my podcast.
So after I wrote my book and got deplatformed, I decided to start a podcast so I could get more information out.
So we're going to build.
I've got my little sign here.
Hang on.
The Wellness Way.
The Wellness Way with Philly J. Lay.
That's probably back to front.
So we're going to interview some brilliant, brilliant people.
So I'll be up on stage running some speaker panels with people like Dr. Sarah Myhill, Dr. Jenny Goodman.
We've got the Klinghart Institute there.
We're doing live blood testing.
We're doing everything we possibly can to bring natural health.
Like that?
Yes.
So you look at the blood, it's just a prick from the finger, and you look at it in real time, what's going on.
You go deep enough in it, and you can see what you're lacking, if you're lacking, say, vitamin B. So it's live blood testing.
Clive DeKarl is going to be there with his magic chairs, which are the nearest thing.
They're not a med bed, but they are the nearest thing we have to a med bed in the UK. These wonderful chairs.
That just vibrates you, the energy of sound.
Yeah, I've been in one.
They're great.
They are fantastic.
That sounds fun.
So you have to pay for the talk.
So the talk room, I will just say this, it's £20 to come in for the practitioners and the workshops to listen to the talks.
There are morning and afternoon sessions, so you can book one of those or both of those.
But allow some time to go and see practitioners.
We're going to have loads of stalls there.
London Nootropics will be there, giving everybody a free sample of their adaptogen coffee.
I'm a big fan of adaptogens like rhodiola, ashwagandha.
So there'll be lots of stalls.
So it'll be a good, fun learning day out for anybody that just goes, do you know what?
I want to keep out of the doctor's surgery.
No, that sounds good.
Okay, and so am I going to put the details below in the show notes or what?
Yep, we've got a massive sale going on till the 21st of January, so I'm not sure if you'll be out there, but we're just doing a flash sale because we want as many people as possible down there.
I'm working with World Council for Health, but the People's Health Alliance have been doing health hubs since 2021. We're going to get them up all over the country.
We're going to find places to build these health hubs for everybody, to guide you.
I didn't know where to start.
And there was the internet, not that I really knew how to use it, but there is so much banning now on natural health, on social media.
I got deplatformed off TikTok for spreading.
Oh, the health benefits of radishes, stinging nettles and breathwork.
I kid you not.
Where do we find your podcast?
What platform do you want?
Spotify.
I have the videos.
I can't put videos out on YouTube because so many of them get taken down.
Even one on Collodial Silver got taken down, which is, again, another great healing modality.
But Spotify, Apple, the other usual suspects, Rumble.
You can find them there.
All my work is on my webpage, phillyjla.com.
So you can also go and get tickets to the Health Hub on phillyjla.com.
You can get an extra 10% discount using my discount code, philly10.
We're trying to give away as many discounts.
We've got to pay for the day.
But the College of Naturopathic Medicine are giving us the college free.
No, it does sound a good day.
I'm only going to cut you short there because you are actually quite effusive in describing.
I feel like I've been there already and experienced all the things.
Sorry.
I think, no, Philly, when you go through the pearly gates and you're asked, have you done enough to promote your produce, your work?
You can say, I have.
I have St. Peter.
I really have.
Right.
Okay.
That's great.
The thing is, I don't see it as my work, James.
I see it as God's work, actually.
It is God's work.
I'm just spreading the word.
We can agree on that.
Physician, heal thyself.
I think it's...
So, yes, if you enjoy this podcast, of course you have.
How could you not?
Please consider supporting me on Substack or Locals when you get early access to my podcast.
And it's worth it.
I say, I'm worth it.
Come on, you want to support me.
There's loads of rubbish around.
I'm worth it.
Or you can buy me a coffee and support my sponsors.
And that's it.
Thank you for listening or watching.
And thank you again, Billy J. Lay.
James Denonpole, it has been such a pleasure and an honour.
Bless you my love.
Global warming is a massive con.
There is no evidence whatsoever that man-made climate change is a problem that is going to kill us, that we need to amend our lifestyle in order to deal with it.
It's a non-existent problem.
But how do you explain this stuff to your normie friends?
Well, I've just brought out the revised edition of my 2012 classic book.
Watermelons, which captures the story of how some really nasty people decided to invent the global warming scare in order to fleece you, to take away your freedoms, to take away your land.
It's a shocking story.
I wrote it, as I say, in 2011, actually.
The first edition came out.
And it's a snapshot of a particular era.
The era when...
The people behind the climate change scan got caught red-handed, tinkering with the data, torturing till it screamed in a scandal that I helped christen ClimateGate.
So I give you the background to the skullduggery that went on in these seats of learning where these supposed experts were informing us, we've got to act now.
I rumbled their scan.
I then asked the question, OK, if it is a scan...
Who's doing this and why?
It's a good story.
I've kept the original book pretty much as is, but I've written two new chapters, one at the beginning and one at the end, explaining how it's even worse than we thought.
I think it still stands up.
I think it's a good read.
Obviously, I'm biased, but I'd recommend it.
You can buy it from jamesdellingpole.co.uk And I hope it helps keep you informed and gives you the material you need to bring round all those people who are still persuaded that, oh, it's a disaster, we must amend our ways and appease the gods, appease Mother God.
