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Aug. 24, 2024 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Welcome to the Dellingpole with me, James Dellingpole, and I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but before we meet him, I think we'd better have an insert from one of our delightful sponsors, if I can be bothered to record another recording, because I've been I've been a bit slack recently.
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	I think we all agree on that.
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	They lock us into the use of their currency which has lost 99% of its value in my lifetime or thereabouts and force us into servitude through it.
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	Welcome to the Deling Pod.
	Welcome back, Alistair.
	Oh, we've started?
	Great, OK.
	Yeah, of course we have.
	We've started.
	Oh, OK, right.
	And yet again, you are in your white walker lair.
	Sure am.
	I haven't changed my camera settings.
	I mean, actually, I'm being unfair.
	It's a bluebell wood, isn't it, in the background?
	I've no idea, it was here when I moved in.
	This is not on purpose, this was just here in the cabin, and I was like, fine, yeah, I'll have that.
	I don't know, I always think of you as a white walker, even though I know- Every podcast you start with this.
	Every single time.
	But white walkers are bad, and you're good.
	Did you watch that, Game of Thrones?
	Did you watch that?
	Yeah.
	Did you watch the last season?
	It was just embarrassing.
	Well, I didn't even watch it, but I'm so familiar with the pattern now of anything that people like, just ruin it.
	On purpose, ruin it.
	So I didn't even watch the last season, because I was just like, no, I know you're ruining it.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like with Star Wars, like the latest, it's like, no, no, no, nice try.
	No, I just know that you're going to crap all over it.
	And they do.
	You know what I mean?
	They do.
	I suppose it's one of their so-called humiliation rituals, isn't it?
	It's like everything is, it has some sort of occult significance.
	You cut out there and it's just gone 84% uploading.
	That would be, that would be the demons.
	That's what I'd be concerned about.
	Now, can you hear me again?
	Hear me now?
	I can hear you, yeah.
	But it's just you go from like HD to like 140p, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, you know why?
	Why is that?
	Starlink?
	Why?
	I don't know, because the demons really hate you.
	And you, probably.
	Yeah, they loathe me.
	But I think they hate you more.
	Good.
	Good.
	They do.
	They do.
	Good.
	I wanted to tell you a story.
	I was going to say this at the end, but I might as well tell you at the beginning.
	You know, there's a friend of mine, I think, you've probably met him, I can't remember whether you have or not, but he remains anonymous.
	And he is blessed with what he describes as the world's crappiest superpower.
	And when he goes out into the world, you know, he doesn't see what you and I see, he sees He sees things that most of us can't see.
	For example, there are these entities which feed on certain people.
	You could call them demons, although they seem to be quite lower level demons.
	But what they do is they feed on people who are vulnerable, who are angry, who are depressed and upset.
	So, for example, you'll find a lot of them in betting shops.
	I can imagine, yeah.
	And at weddings.
	About the point where they start playing Come On Eileen, you know.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	They hang around in pub car parks at closing time, stuff like that.
	You can see them?
	Yeah, yeah.
	All the time?
	Yeah, I think with a conscious effort.
	But basically, it's a bit of a curse.
	Because, as you can imagine, he's had this gift, if you want to call it that, since he was very young.
	And when he tried, you know, as a child to tell somebody about this, you know, I think it was a sort of a trusted teacher.
	The teacher said, Oh, Better get you checked out by a psychiatrist and locked up kind of thing.
	So he didn't mention that again.
	Good idea.
	Yeah.
	Like 20 years ago I would have said this guy's insane, but now I'm just like, oh this guy can see the supernatural, which is real.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes, exactly.
	I knew I wouldn't be wasting it on you.
	No.
	Actually, one of the most interesting things he can see, because they're not all bad, these entities.
	I mean, the ones that are around in the world are bad.
	Right.
	There are ones that you get only in church.
	You never see them in cathedrals.
	You tend to get them in churches where people have worshipped a long time or where the faith is strong, where they can tell.
	He calls them hedgehogs, because they do look a bit like cute hedgehogs, but more than that.
	Hedgehogs?
	You find them... Oh, this guy is insane.
	Sorry, I'm just kidding.
	No, no, you find them... Yeah?
	...on Carved in the Stonework.
	on the sides of churches.
	So he knows that people in the past have been able to see these things.
	Perhaps in times past people were more attuned.
	Maybe their pineal glands weren't so calcified or whatever.
	But clearly some of the stonemason, and they're quite a common phenomenon, these particular things.
	I mean, they're not nasty gargles.
	They're kind of sort of quite Sweet things.
	And he's seen them on postcards, you know, when churches have a postcard section showing carvings from their church or whatever.
	Right.
	You can actually get these things on.
	And what do you mean they're good, these things?
	They only live inside the church.
	Right.
	And they participate in the service or whatever.
	So, for example... These are not angels, you think?
	No, they're not angels.
	They're definitely not angels.
	What are they?
	Well, this is the thing.
	This is the thing.
	There is a sort of cosmology, it would be unethical to call it a demonology in this case, but there's a sort of hierarchy in the supernatural realm, which people have written about before.
	I think, didn't Swedenborg or somebody write a guide to People in the past have written about these things, but have probably been dismissed as kind of… well, actually, maybe in their time they were accepted, but now they're sort of dismissed as kind of weirdos.
	But there clearly are some people out there with a gift for seeing beyond our realm into this other world.
	I mean, I suppose the Old Testament prophets would be a good example of this.
	So, these things, the hedgehogs, which aren't hedgehogs, they live inside churches and they participate and they sing along.
	So, when I went to pray for my wife's health the other day, he could see them praying along with me.
	He was with you?
	And he could see them praying along with you?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	I mean, it's one of those things that you can totally either take or leave.
	But I have absolutely, you know, I bet my life on what he says being true, because there's absolutely no reason to, because he's not trying to prove a point.
	I mean, it's not like, okay, I'm a cool guy.
	You're going to like me because I've got these stories, you know.
	It's not like... Right, right.
	No, no, no.
	Well, those things are out there.
	The spiritual world's real.
	So, no doubt... I haven't told you the thing I was going to tell you yet.
	Oh, go on.
	That's not it?
	That's not it.
	That's not even the interesting part.
	Praying spiritual exhaust is not the payoff from the story?
	Okay, carry on.
	So, he can see people's Aura, for want of a better word, and he can see that people who have got a direct line to God have a special thing, which is like a beam of light, which goes above their head, like a kind of ray.
	And I can't remember where he saw you, but he saw you at something, and you've got one.
	What?
	Say that again.
	I've got a what?
	You've got one of those that you have.
	I know.
	No way.
	I know.
	Isn't it?
	Isn't that cool?
	No way!
	It's like...
	You know what my wife told me?
	Sorry?
	My wife told me a similar sort of story.
	She was watching some Christian podcast or something about, and it's really interesting sometimes when you've talked to these people, when you get someone from the occult and they sort of explain their sort of hierarchy and what they get up to.
	So this person from the occult was explaining how they like to sort of interfere with children or they like to put curses on children or hex children.
	But this person was saying sometimes they come across children and they can see like just a wall of fire around the children and none of their occult stuff will work on them.
	And this person said those are the children whose parents are praying for the children.
	You know, and it's really, yeah, yeah, it's, and it's insane.
	Like, I'll tell you a personal story, like, uh, my, my daughter, who is three, she's starting, she was starting to get into, like, you know, Frozen and Disney, and even if you try as a parent to keep this stuff away from your kids, their friends are into it, it's, it's all everywhere, and eventually- They can't let it go, can they?
	Yeah, eventually let it go will find its way into your bloody house.
	So my repeated prayer was, Father, please,
	Replace this with stuff that is of you and just an interest in you and you know that was the only way I combated it and now she's come across this this channel I kept trying to call DG Bible songs right which is on YouTube so it's songs about the Bible she loves it she can't stop asking about Moses and she's like dad this one's Daniel and this one's the lion and this one's Moses and this one's that and it's just been it's supernatural the change you don't care about
	Frozen and Disney and all the pedo stuff anymore.
	Now, she wants to learn about Moses and this and that.
	And I think it's, God tells you in the Bible, if you pray for something that God wants you to have, you get it 100% of the time.
	So if you think about that, you think, why would God not want my children To be interested in him.
	Of course he would.
	So if you pray for your children just to really be interested in God and make it easy, you're gonna get that.
	You know what I mean?
	Unless there's some crazy reason why God doesn't want you to have that.
	So when you know that as a Christian, as someone who prays, if you pray for something that God wants you to have, you get it 100% of the time.
	But I think there's such real power in prayer because we have free will.
	If you're not praying for something, you might not get something that God intends for you to have because you have to ask.
	Wow.
	You know?
	That's the power in it.
	God's just not going to do all this great stuff for you unless you ask.
	You have to ask.
	It's all power in asking.
	I like that, Alistair.
	I like that very much.
	But, the question I would put to you is, I am always praying for God to reach out to those of my relatives who haven't yet got him.
	And he hasn't answered yet.
	No.
	Well, he has answered.
	Sometimes, no is an answer.
	You know, he's saying... But why?
	Why would he not want them to...
	Maybe the timing isn't right yet.
	You know, maybe the timing isn't right there.
	Also, God is not ever going to dominate.
	That's something Satan does.
	Satan forces you to be like this, or he wants to dominate you.
	God is never going to force your family members to accept him.
	Part of it, I believe, comes from them.
	They have to respond to His calling, you know, so you can pray for their hearts to be softened and for people to speak Jesus into their lives, but I don't think... Our free will is so powerful that I don't think God will just override it in something as big as that.
	You know what I mean?
	I think it's still down to you whether or not you choose to accept God or not.
	So you can certainly pray and soften people's hearts and work on it and work on it, but I don't think That God's just going to override someone's free will like that, I don't think.
	You go all the way back to Adam and Eve.
	They were left with their free will and they caused all this misery because they had their free will.
	I think it's a key rule of the universe, this free will.
	You know like with the Satanists, where they tell you what they're doing so that your free will comes into play?
	They're showing you with the Olympics that it's all Satanism and you're going along with it.
	I think they are harnessing your free will as the main lever with which to get their evil past the Almighty.
	You know what I mean?
	No.
	I know exactly what you mean, actually.
	And we've got down and dirty already, haven't we?
	We've really... It's the best.
	It's the best.
	No.
	Well, I mean, I think about this stuff all the time, obviously, as you do.
	I mean, I think it is the most fascinating rabbit hole of them all.
	Of course.
	If you're into rabbit holes and you're not into Christianity, you're kind of really... I mean, by Christianity, I mean the law, I mean the Bible.
	Yeah.
	You're into like rabbit holes and it's like, if there is an almighty God that's orchestrating everything and you're not entertaining that one, Nothing else that you're talking about is, everything else is nonsense, isn't it?
	If that bit is true, you know what I'm saying?
	Everything else doesn't matter.
	That's why it's the only thing I'm really interested in, in the bigger scheme of things.
	To your point, as American academics and lawyers might say, to your point, the free will thing, I think, is so important and so ill understood by, I mean, you often hear Atheists and doubters say, well, you know, the Stephen Fry line about how can it be a loving God that gives children eye worms?
	Deal with that, Christians!
	Come on!
	Answer that!
	I bet you can't.
	Of course you can't because it's unanswerable.
	It's the eye worm question.
	And they say, you know, reconcile this loving God of yours with blah, blah, blah, and whatever.
	They've got loads of examples.
	And you say, well, you haven't got the deal about free will.
	Because if you'd had, you wouldn't be answering this question.
	God has set up the situation.
	Okay.
	Version A, We could be like, we could be living in sort of fluffy Teletubby land, dancing around the Garden of Eden going, isn't it great?
	But not knowing otherwise and having no, just being automatons basically.
	Or version B, which is the one that God went for.
	I think he, you know, I mean, obviously, God knows best, but I think he did make the right decision.
	He creates this world where we get a choice.
	We get the richness and excitement and meaning and freedom, I suppose, to be able to decide which path we take.
	The good, Or the bad, and yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious to me.
	Why isn't it obvious to all the atheists?
	Without that, it would be an imperfect world.
	Without the ability of the people within the world to choose, I don't want everything to be done for me.
	I don't want God to decide what's good and evil.
	I want that for myself.
	Without that ability, you'd be in like a fancy prison, really.
	There'd be no God is not going to make something imperfect.
	The perfect place for us to live is somewhere where nothing is ever going to go wrong, everything's going to be great, everything's going to be amazing, but we have the choice to get out.
	Which we don't ever need to choose because it's a terrible choice, but that choice has to be there.
	You know what I mean?
	The Garden of Eden, the way God set it up, was absolutely perfect.
	We just chose to, nah, we don't want what you've given us, God.
	We want to see what free will is like.
	And these people, like Stephen Fry people, for example, who say, if God's great, why do we live in this world where bad things happen?
	And to that person I would say, OK, well, do you want to live in a world where no bad things happen?
	Yes.
	OK.
	Have you ever done something bad?
	Yes.
	OK.
	Well, why?
	If you want to live in a world where no bad things happen, why have you individually, personally, then, done something bad?
	Because you can't make that happen, can you?
	You know what I mean?
	None of us can actually...
	Live that out.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, even the people who say, I want to live in a world where no bad stuff happens.
	You ever told a lie?
	Yep.
	You ever done this?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Well, there's why it doesn't work.
	It's because of something within us that is, you know, you're broken, essentially, like, you know what I mean?
	We're, we're, we're broken.
	We need, we need Jesus, to be honest.
	And it's why, it's why God doesn't do what I suppose atheists might fantasise that he ought to do, which is just go, yes, I'm going to right that injustice here, and I'm going to intervene there, and I'm going to save that drowning child from the river.
	He can't do it, because much as he might like to, that would break his own rules.
	Also, you're not looking at the big picture when you think, God, this three-year-old drowned.
	People say it all the time, this three-year-old drowned.
	It's like, that three-year-old is most likely in heaven, you know, before living an eternal life, is exactly the person God made them out to be.
	You know, some of these people that, you know, die young or whatever, a lot of the times, You know, God is taking them out of this.
	People don't realize that this world is as close to hell as a Christian is going to experience.
	You know, someone who's saved, who believes in God, this world is the closest thing to hell that you're ever going to experience.
	This world is evil, this world is awful, this world is horrible, you know, and horrible, bad, evil stuff happens here.
	But, you know, people that die young or whatever, they're escaping this, they're on to the next thing, which is, you know, where we're going to end up, where God Wanted us to be and in the condition that God wanted us to be in the first place.
	That's the whole point of this world is for God to right the wrong.
	Yeah I tell people the Bible's 6,000 pages long and God put us in the perfect situation on like page 3.
	Like we we messed it up on page 4 and the next 6,000 pages is God trying to put right what we messed up.
	You know what I mean?
	It's not 6,000.
	It's going to be 600 pages surely.
	Is it 6,000?
	Something like that.
	I'm not sure if I got that right.
	It could be 600.
	I think it's in the thousands.
	6000's a lot.
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	It's a big book, James.
	I'm trying to get through it in a year.
	I'm not doing well.
	How many times have you read it?
	Cover to cover?
	This is the first time I've ever read it cover to cover.
	I'm starting at the beginning and I'm going all the way through to the end.
	I think I've read, I think I've read the entire Bible more or less.
	You know, I'd start with a book and then I'd do another book and so I'd flip-flop, but this time I'm going, I'm raw-dogging it.
	I'm going straight from Genesis all the way through to Revelation.
	Just one book and people are like, oh no.
	Raw-dogging it?
	Yes!
	This is a new thing.
	People, they raw-dog flights.
	Have you seen this?
	No.
	I find it hilarious.
	What is this?
	When you raw-dog a flight, right, you see they post on Twitter, they're like, I just raw-dogged an eight-hour flight, they're like, no headphones, no music, no water, just staring at the map.
	Right, so they just stare at the map for like eight hours.
	No!
	Yeah, yeah, it's a new, like, trend.
	So you just, just, just the map.
	Nothing else, just... That... I knew you'd come up trumps with some... I mean, obviously, not that you're disappointed so far, but, but that is...
	How can I not know about this?
	I don't know.
	I only saw a couple of posts about it and I was like, that was hilarious.
	I was laughing for a couple of minutes at this guy.
	I was like, has he really done that?
	Eight hours.
	No water cracked me up the most.
	No water.
	I was like, okay.
	Isn't there a kind of raw, raw dog where you don't even get to look at the map?
	But somehow the map might be worse, you know what I mean?
	You just start watching it inch along.
	You know what I mean?
	That's hilarious.
	There's a real masochistic twist in the no water thing.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's probably a way to kind of enjoy what's a horrible experience.
	He was like, the mind knows no bounds or something.
	He was sort of picking up how strong his mind is that he could just stare at this map.
	For eight hours, and it is a real sort of feat, isn't it?
	You see, I've kind of been... I've kind of been raw-dogging my... on my car journeys.
	I get torn between listening to another conspiracy podcast, which is kind of important for me.
	I need to be abreast.
	Research.
	Yeah, research.
	Exactly.
	Because there's so much to learn.
	Given that you and I, and all the people who are
	We've got to unlearn a lifetime's crap history, crap science, crap everything, and discover things like what Operation Gladio was, for example, and to discover just how corrupt the Gold Reserve system is.
	Can you give me a short version of Gladio?
	Stay-behinds, basically.
	I think all those supposed terrorist killings in the 1970s in Italy, for example, Aldo Mori and stuff, they were all Gladio things, the Red Brigade, I think.
	It's all designed to destabilise Some things I don't even entertain, not because I don't think they're true, but it's just because I know that trying to explain to the normie people that surround me, like the Holocaust for example.
	I'm not even getting, I'm not even going to explore whether it was a real thing or whether the numbers are inflated or whatever, because I don't want to be trying to convince people of that.
	They're just going to look at me like I'm a maniac anyway.
	So, you know what I'm saying?
	Pick your battles.
	You'll be on the hiding to nothing.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Particularly on that one.
	You're just like, why?
	If they're going to find out... People are so primed.
	If anyone says anything that maybe the Holocaust didn't, it's like, oh my God, it's the worst thing you've ever said.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	They're ready to go off on that.
	Oh, they are, because I was one of them once.
	I could churn out an article in an afternoon, that would be 900 quid, thank you Daily Mail, on that very subject.
	It's so easy.
	That's the thing.
	When you're a journalist, and you're a comment writer, and you turn round these comment pieces, you get rung up in the morning, After editorial conference and they say Jamie they used to call me Jamie can you give me can you can you give us 1100 words on why Winston Churchill was would have turned in his grave at blah blah blah or and I churned out all this kind of Bollocks!
	Because I've been programmed with all this information and I was good at it.
	I had a handy turn of phrase.
	And so what I was doing was I was gold-plating the paradigm, if you like.
	All this sort of established non-facts, which people accept as true, are out there.
	And my job, and the job of all people like me, was to kind of reinforce in the public imagination.
	And I'll give you a classic example of this.
	So I was listening to Out of the Blue.
	I was traveling with my son and he's a normie, I'm sorry to say.
	And so I couldn't listen to podcasts about Operation Gladio or about demons or anything like that.
	So we have to find some middle ground.
	And we ended up listening to the Desert Island Discs of Enoch Powell.
	Are you familiar with Enoch Powell?
	I presume you are.
	Partially.
	It could be a generational thing.
	When I was growing up and throughout my education, Enoch Powell was the the byword for sort of unacceptable racism far-right blah blah blahdom okay he made it he was a he was an MP He was an MP.
	He was a classical scholar.
	He'd come from a fairly ordinary background, but he'd gone to, I think, King Edward's Birmingham, and he was a brilliant, brilliant classical scholar.
	I think his ambition was to write the definitive edition or definitive translation of Herodotus or something like that.
	But he ended up as an MP for Wolverhampton, I think.
	He also has the distinction of being one of only two people in the war to have risen from the rank, risen from Private all the way to Brigadier.
	He went through all the ranks, which is sort of indicative of it.
	He obviously had special qualities besides his intellect.
	He was a very popular constituency MP.
	But he would not play the game.
	He did not want to participate in the beast system.
	He wouldn't have described it thus.
	I'm not sure whether he's even aware of it.
	He was probably a Christian, but he wasn't where we are in terms of rabbit holes.
	But he didn't want to make those little sacrifices of personal integrity that are necessary to get on in this corrupt world.
	In 1968, he makes some speech at some local place in which he invokes... Who's the classical writer that he invokes?
	It's called the Rivers of Blood speech.
	Let's have a look to check.
	I don't want to get them wrong.
	Oh, he's quoting the Aeneid.
	So he's quoting Virgil.
	And Powell says, as I look ahead, I'm filled with foreboding.
	Like the Roman, I seem to see the river Tiber foaming with much blood.
	Anyway, so he's talking about the dangers of mass immigration on communities.
	He's not saying, I hate black people or I hate foreigners, you know.
	He's just saying, look, if we have mass immigration, then there's going to be trouble ahead.
	Which is not really exactly an unconvincing prediction, given what has come to past.
	No, it's bang on.
	Exactly.
	Any sensible thinking person would be like, yeah, this is going to end in absolute carnage.
	But this speech was presented to us, we the kind of the useless eaters, as the epitome of rabid, far-rightery, so beyond the pale, that Essentially, you could not discuss the issue of immigration for one, two, probably three generations and newspapers would refer to the rivers of blood speech and it became a byword.
	And here's the funny thing, so you're listening to this podcast and And Enoch Powell is being grilled by Sue Lawley, and she's in her really fancy pants, I'm going to grill this far-right racist, I'm going to nail him kind of mode.
	And Powell is saying, well, you realise that this was, I think repatriation was Tory party policy at the time.
	And she was saying, yes, but the Prime Minister, Ted Heath, said that this speech was just far too much.
	It was beyond the pale.
	And I was thinking, if only he had an editorial voice commenting at this point.
	Ted Heath was also a Satanist, a serial abuser of children.
	He would take children from care homes on his yacht, the Morning Cloud, and then bump them off and dump the bodies into the sea.
	So you had...
	The world that you and I understand, the world where the satanists are in control, you know, you even had an actual murderous paedophile satanist as our Prime Minister and he got away with it.
	Scott Free, know what he did, even now.
	And the idea that a BBC representative is citing this monster as a kind of arbiter of what is good and moral and what is bad and immoral.
	And here's Enoch Powell, this palpably decent man, Who, for the rest of his life, since 1968 until he died I think probably in the 90s, was stigmatised as being so monstrously evil just for using a Latin tag in a speech which was actually Tory Party policy at the time anyway.
	Oh, of course.
	It sounds familiar.
	It sounds familiar, like going through the comedy industry and being one of the few people who would say, hang on a minute, this toxic masculinity thing is actually evil, and I'm not going along with it, and it's like, oh, Alastair hates women, and you know what I mean?
	Anyone who actually wants to take any sort of moral position that's actually moral, it's like, be prepared.
	For them to frame you as just the biggest tosser that there's ever been.
	You know what I mean?
	And it's so few people who are like, I'm just still gonna take this position.
	You know what I mean?
	Very small amount of people who are prepared to, like, have the slings and arrows that come along with saying something as obvious as, if you import, you know, Muslims from all around the world to live next to Christians, something's gonna go wrong here.
	You don't have to be a You don't have to be a high-grade historian to know that Muslims and Christians, they don't mix at all.
	They never have.
	It's not a kind strategy to be like, oh, let's bring loads of Muslims into a Christian country and give them a leg up and build mosques everywhere.
	It's like, dude, you guys are just priming like this powder keg here.
	The people that run the country, they don't actually give a shit about You know, Muslims in Somalia.
	Do you really believe that?
	You know what I mean?
	People actually believe that.
	They actually think that this is some melting pot idea that's gone wrong.
	It's like, no, no, this is the whole plan.
	This is the whole plan.
	Riots in the streets.
	This is what the whole plan has been.
	They can't even get people to riot anymore.
	Half of them are made up.
	Are you with me on that one?
	Of course!
	I think the whole thing has just been faked.
	Of course!
	Where are these riots?
	Dude, I was in Nottingham doing comedy and half the comedians were like, do you think we're alright?
	Are they going to come in here?
	I'm like, what are you guys even talking about?
	Because I don't even watch the news.
	They're like, have you heard?
	There's riots everywhere.
	I'm like, dude, I don't watch the news.
	I haven't seen anything.
	I'm not scared.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	It was literally like, I don't watch the news, so I'm not going to be scared about whatever it is you're terrified about.
	What are you terrified about?
	You know?
	I've not seen a single rioter.
	I'm sure that riots, someone always goes, oh, there's... I'm sure riots have actually taken place.
	I'm sure, you know, that there's... Well, for the cameras, they have.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm sure there's a core group of people that work for the government going around smashing up WH Smiths or whatever, but, you know, yeah, I think it's all made up.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	It's on the script.
	August 2024, riots all over the country, and they're making it happen, you know?
	You know, I was talking about your job as a kind of comment journalist is to gold plate these things, reinforce them in the pub.
	So, a typical example of this is the cover of this week's Spectator, which is, you know, I'm clinging on by my fingernails.
	I just do one.
	I used to write for them regularly.
	I do a TV review of Fortnite.
	But the front cover is Why Britain is Rioting, or Why Britain Riots, something like that.
	And you've got about four or five of their comment journalists writing pieces relating to this subject.
	Now, they're doing exactly what I used to do, which is analysing a phenomenon that doesn't actually exist, but reifying it through the analysis.
	Right.
	Okay.
	That's how the line machine works.
	Me and my wife were talking about this the other day and I was cracking up.
	I was cracking up at just how I used to think journalism worked.
	You know like when I used to watch the news?
	You know when you see the news presenter and they're there and they're like, welcome to the news.
	I used to think that behind them in the background were just these teams of like investigative guys going through all the notes trying to find out what's really going on in the world and then getting it to this anchor and he was reporting it.
	And, you know, obviously now I know, of course, it's just a big pantomime, but you were right in there, and we were talking about, like, but James is so switched on now, it's like, how was he in that?
	My wife was saying to me, if it's so corrupt, how was James in the middle of it, and didn't notice that it worked like that?
	But hearing you explain how it's like, James, I want an article on this, or I want 500 words on that, it makes a lot of sense.
	But that's comment journalism.
	As I understand it, one of the worst... so there's the news reporting and there's the comment, right?
	And the comment tend to be the officer class and the kind of the sort of frontline sort of squaddies and the hardened NCOs are the kind of the ones who go into on the front line and cover live stories.
	Now, as I understand it, I mean, you can look at the reporting on Ukraine.
	That is clearly so fabricated.
	They're not leaving their hotels in Kiev, as they've learned to call it.
	Occasionally, a bus from the Ministry of Information will pick them up and take them to this, and your story today is, they'll transcribe whatever press release they're given.
	I had a brief taste of actual news reporting.
	I was on holiday in California when the LA riots happened.
	I was the arts correspondent at the time and I got sent in to a hotel in the middle of downtown LA which was sort of surrounded by barricades.
	I had to go out early that morning to just do a bit of street reporting from the streets and to see what was going on, get interviews, interviews with victims, you know, get a bit of color, the smell of burning buildings.
	And nothing that I did That in those two or three days felt to me dishonest or fake.
	Well, because it wasn't.
	I mean, I, because I believed all the things about journalists that journalists should do.
	So I went out, I put myself in the way of danger.
	I was on my own.
	Just me and my notebook, wandering around, talking to the few people I could find on the streets, um, talking to, you know, cops, but then ending up talking to gangs.
	I ended up meeting these people called the Fortray Crips.
	I said, what's Fortray?
	I was 43.
	And, um, I'd love to hear a bit of flying the ball with you talking to them.
	Oh, it was hilarious.
	I mean, absolutely hilarious.
	They, because of my English accent, I could get away with murder.
	I mean, they warned me that I was in danger.
	In fact, the final words... They warned you in danger?
	By talking to them?
	The final words that they said to me were, I'll always remember it, they said to me, you want to be careful bro.
	There was a guy like you asking questions round here the other night.
	He got himself stuck with an axe.
	What?
	But they love me.
	I'm straight out of there after that.
	Because I was in.
	Well, I was because I thought this is the most fantastic quote.
	I've got to file my copy.
	That was my biggest fear.
	My biggest fear was not filing my copy on time and missing the edition.
	That was far, far more frightening than anything I might have faced in the... Than getting stuck with an axe?
	Yeah, yeah, but you don't think about that at the time, because you've got adrenaline and stuff, and you've got the deadline, and you've got the mission.
	But they were standing outside a shoe shop, and they offered to loot the shoe shop for me, and they were asking me what shoes I wanted in the shoe shop.
	That's how much they liked me.
	Wow.
	So, I mean, I'm retelling this story.
	Yet they still threatened to offer you an axe.
	They didn't threaten me.
	They were just solicitous.
	They were concerned about my well-being.
	Oh, right.
	If you say so.
	It was friendly.
	It was friendly advice.
	Okay.
	But all I'm saying with that story, the only point of it is, I...
	It was not part of the lie machine, or rather, if the lie was happening, and I'm sure that the riots were fake in some way, there was obviously some agenda behind it, but my role in it was not, as I saw it, to do anything other than report the truth.
	What was happening?
	It's possible to be a journalist and be acting in good faith.
	What was then?
	The number of people that are actually in on the actual global conspiracy or whatever is tiny, I expect.
	You know, there's certain people who it's all sort of segregated, you know, it's compartmentalized.
	You know, the number of people that are actually aware that everything's manipulated is probably minuscule, I would have thought.
	You know, like the NHS is a great example.
	It's like, my wife's always like, oh, so you think all the, you know, she'll say something like, you think the doctors are, no, I don't think any of them are, they're just in this bureaucracy, you know, they're in this machine, they're in like, send that person a letter every week until we get to put this stuff into their two-year-old, you know what I mean?
	They don't, they're not trying, they're not actively in their own mind trying to kill my two-year-old, but that is what they're doing with their eight-in-one, quickly, give them leukemia and bronchitis at the same time, or whatever is in those, you know,
	Hand grenade and a needle that you stick into your kid at nine months old or wherever the bloody hell it is But every time one of those letters comes through the door it goes Straight into the bin and I think I think they've got the message now because they sort of leave us alone But you know, I don't think that the actual You know, on the ground, people are in on it, but it doesn't make any difference.
	You're still in danger when you're in those places.
	Yeah, I know.
	I think you're right.
	I mean, I've had a sort of brush with being in hospital recently and talking to nurses and talking to doctors, and I didn't get the vibe that they know that they're Part of a kill machine.
	A big pharma kill machine.
	Did you spot anything while you were in there that was like, this is really kill machine-y and I need to call this out, or were you just like, all this stuff seems on the level?
	You know what I mean?
	There was a very, very upsetting painting on the ground floor of this hospital of a heroine, an angel nurse with a mask on her face and an angel patient, you know, with a mask.
	It was from the, do you remember the terrible COVID pandemic?
	Oh yes, awful time.
	So legitimate.
	And the only way we survive is by wearing masks.
	I don't know about you, that's why I'm alive today.
	I think how bad it would have been if we'd have just breathed freely through our mouths and noses without restricting our airways.
	It could have been awful.
	I wanted to ask you, I'm sure I've asked you before, but I've got to ask, because it's like, you know, it's like having a doctor and you've got an anal wart and, you know, you want to mention the anal wart to the doctor because, you know, he's there.
	In the same way, Have you met any comics who know all the things that you know, but just aren't saying it because, no, I've got a career to maintain?
	No.
	No, I don't think so.
	Well, there's levels.
	There's a couple of guys that were sort of on my wavelength, but They're just kind of like, yeah, but I'm just going to keep going on the old gravy train.
	You know what I mean?
	There's a couple... Actually, there is a few.
	There is a few in... But, you know, they're not like... They're just sort of... I have one guy that I laugh with and joke with all the time, because he's not saying that I'm wrong.
	But, you know, he's just like, well, you've got luck with that.
	You know what I mean?
	But he knows that I'm right.
	He knows that I'm right, and he's like, yeah, you're not wrong about that.
	And as the world goes on, More and more people have to start saying to me, like...
	Well, okay, you're right about that, and you weren't wrong about that, and yeah, actually, things are getting a bit... things are just gonna get weirder and weirder, and as more and more people are gonna be like, yeah, actually, no, yeah, okay, this weather's not normal, or, yeah, actually, even loads of people at my church are just like, yeah, I'm not watching the news anymore, because I feel like they're just trying to scare us and wind us up, and I'm like, bingo!
	You know, like, people are getting it.
	People are really... but again, I think the plan is for them to get it, unfortunately.
	I don't think this is the enemy dropping the ball.
	I think the enemy is deliberately, slowly revealing, you know, the system in order to... problem, reaction, solution.
	I think we're being shown that The New World Order and the One World Government is corrupt and we need to all come together and form, you know, all the religions need to come together and all the governments need to come together and we're going to defeat the New World Order and it's like, oh yeah, that's what you're bloody well doing, in my opinion.
	No, no, I think that's right.
	I think that is the based, the sort of the really deep, deep knowledge position where you recognize that, yeah, yeah.
	Slowly it's been the sort of satanic element is being revealed to the masses, but then that ushers in the false light of Lucifer.
	Yes, that's where we are.
	I'm really convinced that's where we are.
	I'm positive that's where we are.
	You look at people like Russell Brand who cannot shut up about the Bible and Christianity, you know?
	And it's like, they just want to control, they know what's important.
	They know that the Bible and Christianity is what's important.
	They don't want you going straight to Jesus or to the Bible to God.
	They want Russell Brand to be the conduit through which you get that information.
	You know what I mean?
	There's so much of that going on at the moment.
	So many people who are, they're trying to get in on that, trying to just, but actually what they're trying to do is build a barrier between you and God essentially and just go in and getting the information directly.
	Yeah, the devil can cite scripture for his purpose and it's a shame that there is not this rule that God invented whereby if you're not really a Christian and you kind of go around on a multi-million platform pretending to be a Christian, You end up like Damien going to the church in the omen.
	You just get frazzled.
	It's very easy for bad, bad, bad, bad people to just pass as God-fearing Christians, isn't it?
	They can get away with it.
	They can just say it.
	It is, it is, but you know...
	You know, what are you going to do?
	What are you going to do?
	Well, we're not sure we can, can we?
	I think it's like, this is where God steps in.
	But we are, I've read, I can't remember which bit of the Bible it was again, but we are called to expose the works of darkness.
	Of tears?
	Do you say few?
	Yeah!
	Yeah, no we are.
	Well, that's a relief because I sometimes worry that I've been frittering away my time and maybe God thinks, you know, why are you doing this James?
	You know, Alistair, why are you making jokes about the Olympics when you should be... Hang on, let me find it.
	Let me find it.
	Yeah, find it.
	Oh, there it is.
	Ephesians 5.11, as I think.
	Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness but rather expose them.
	Ephesians 5.11.
	So, When you're exposing the enemy's works of darkness, you are inside the will of God.
	You know, you are following God's instructions.
	Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
	So, we are called to expose the enemy's works of darkness.
	That's good!
	That's really good news because I sometimes get comments, you know, from people saying, you know, why are you talking about this stuff?
	It's just depressing and, you know, why can't you just, you know, focus on what we're going to do next?
	And I'm thinking, look, if you want to Understand your enemy.
	You have to look into his worlds and show them to the world.
	How are we supposed to fight back against something if we don't understand what it is and how it works?
	I think it's really important to show the enemy's workings.
	Sure!
	And also, who is the enemy?
	Who are you fighting back against?
	Our enemy is not flesh and blood.
	Part of the whole deception is that the Illuminati or the Deep State or whoever it is, is the enemy and we have to come together and defeat them.
	That is not...
	Gonna happen that's not the way out of this the end of that was not the real enemy the enemy as you know Evil in in high places the end and the real war that's going on here is getting people to wake up to the fact that only Jesus can save you from going to hell because that really is a The war that's going on here?
	The war that's going on here is how many of us, human beings, are going to hell.
	There is no war here over Earth, and the humans have to win and save the Earth.
	That is not actually what is happening.
	What's going to play out on the Earth is going to play out exactly as it's been playing out written in the Bible, and as the Bible says it will happen in the future, that is what will happen.
	The real war here is how many of us is going to go to hell and how many of us before the end are going to realize that we require the salvation that's been won for us by Jesus Christ.
	That's the only real battle that's going on.
	And so many people come up to me and they're like, "Alice, because of your videos or whatever, I'm going back to church," or "I've started reading my Bible." And that for me is, that's the win.
	That's what I believe the real war is and that's what I'm called here to do.
	Yeah.
	I'm not here to expose the big conspiracy.
	That's not what it is.
	What it is is getting people to wake up to the fact they need Jesus to save them out of this horrible situation that we're in.
	Yeah, although it has to be said that Exposing the conspiracy and investigating the rabbit holes and doing it so in a witty manner is quite good bait.
	Yes, it's a way to get people to go.
	It's the it's the first trip down the rabbit hole of God's real is look at all this evil here man.
	And so many people are like, oh, I saw the evil and then I realized Oh God must be real because of the evil.
	And this is why the evil is being allowed to snowball towards the end.
	That's God's plan, is that things get so sick and evil that you can't watch the Olympic Games and just think, oh, this is pole vaulting.
	You watch the Olympic Games and you go, oh, this is a gross, big, fat, transvestite drag queen pretending to be Jesus.
	It's like, yep, it's really in your face, isn't it?
	You know, this is the plan, this is the design.
	And people like me and you have definitely put here to put that on blast and to say, hey guys, look, you know, Something not right in this world, you know?
	I think that's the right way to be.
	If I'm honest, I was slightly disappointed with the... I mean, apart from the kind of the transvestites or transsexuals doing whatever, And the stuff from the catacombs, which I didn't even see.
	Did you see that?
	What's the catacombs?
	Well, you know the catacombs.
	It was like a four hour video.
	I was up watching them watch the whole thing, you know.
	No.
	Well, apparently something happened in the catacombs below Paris, you know, where lots of satanic ritual acts happen and stuff.
	But I thought in terms of next level vaunting evil, I thought we gave a pretty good showing in 2012.
	I think we beat the French at that.
	Yeah, I mean the London Olympic Opening Ceremony and the Commonwealth Games.
	The Commonwealth Games is probably my favourite.
	With the bull?
	The Birmingham bull?
	Yeah, the giant flaming bull that they literally pray to in the stadium.
	And I'm using their words, not my own.
	They're like, they're praying to the giant beast.
	It's like, oh my God.
	And they even call it the Tower of Babel in that one.
	They go, the Tower of Babel?
	Oops, I mean the Tower of Birmingham, like the commentator.
	I'm like, Oh my gosh.
	Come on, like, you know what I mean?
	I agree.
	Although, I think that the Swiss kind of beat both those events with the tunnel.
	Yeah, but the tunnel's actually a bit... I don't even... It's so creepy and just goatee and, you know, it's just like, this is gross, man.
	I know!
	I hate that one.
	But that one was just like, you show it to people.
	And it's so gross and over-the-top that they blame you for it.
	They don't like the fact that you showed them because it's obviously nonsense, because it's so stupid, that why are you showing me this nonsense thing which is wrong?
	Right, well I don't blame them because I don't even... People are like, you should do one of your commentaries on that one.
	I'm like, I don't even want to watch it again.
	You know?
	I don't want to see it again.
	It's really... It just sickens me.
	It's really gross.
	It's got a real...
	I have this sort of discernment where it's like certain things, like when I go to Birmingham, I'm physically, I want to leave Birmingham, man.
	I think Birmingham, and that's where that bull still is by the way, it's still like outside the shopping centre or whatever, I think Birmingham is a real, there's something not right.
	Do you?
	Do you think, so what, more evil than London?
	Yeah.
	I've got a more... and you can tell by... London's bad, don't get me wrong.
	They're close.
	But there's a real sort of artwork that's satanic for me and it's very sort of garish, it's very sort of multi-coloured and deliberately sort of ugly and there's that type of vibe all over the city.
	They've got a very good Pre-Raphaelite collection in Birmingham Art Gallery.
	It doesn't surprise me.
	It doesn't surprise me.
	Do you think the Pre-Raphaelites are dodgy?
	I wouldn't like to say.
	Do you?
	Well, Andrew Lloyd Webber collects them.
	There's a tell.
	There's not even an art gallery, it's just on the street.
	You know, there's all this graffiti that's disgusting.
	It's the same in London, really.
	But so much of the statues are disgusting and it's just a real vibe of, like, blah.
	You know, and when these riots are happening, You know, Birmingham's one of the main areas where things are just, there's something not right about it, I'm afraid, for me.
	Well, you see, this is odd hearing this from, you know, somebody, because Birmingham was where I grew up.
	That was the nearest...
	So, at Christmas, you'd go in and do your shopping at Rackham's, which was an apartment store in Birmingham.
	We were conscious of things like the famous IRA pub bombings in Birmingham.
	You'd go to Cannon Hill Park for, I don't know, what would you do in Cannon Hill Park?
	You'd go to the cinema at the In King's Heath or King's Norton or whatever and so on.
	So all these places are part of my childhood and it's interesting hearing Birmingham described as the epicentre of evil.
	I think it used to be quite a magnificent place because it was one of the centres of the Industrial Revolution.
	When Britain was prosperous, we know about the dark satanic mills and stuff, but at the same time when there was such a thing as civic pride and Where the government wasn't taking quite as much of your money in tax as it is today.
	I look back on... I imagine there was a time when our cities were not as horrible as they are today.
	100%.
	It's got a lot worse.
	I mean, I can remember visiting Birmingham for work when I worked in Normieland, you know, 20 years ago or whatever.
	Thinking, oh, this isn't that bad.
	Now it's just like...
	And if you watch that Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony, the Industrial Revolution is a big part of the ceremony.
	And it's really disturbing, and it's really like...
	You know, the industry comes to crush the workers and they're all sort of beaten down and, you know, why this is a celebration of the Industrial Revolution, it's really strange.
	You know, they're all sort of aghast and covered in coal and like, oh, we're doing this back-breaking labor.
	So they were really sort of celebrating the, you know, sort of Inhuman element of the industrial revolution was being celebrated.
	So this is my problem, Alistair, and you've probably encountered this as well.
	When you reach our state of enlightenment, you accept that everything you are told in your conventional history lessons at school or on BBC documentaries and stuff is de facto a lie.
	They lie.
	So then you start saying, okay, so in the conventional history I learned, There were sort of two strands.
	One was that we needed the Industrial Revolution because it made us prosperous and it helped us rule the world and all these wonderful things, benefits accrued to us, you know, we had more money for philanthropy and arts and things flourished and people were taken away from the back-breaking toil of the rural existence where Where standards of living were, you know, life was nasty, brutish and short and so on.
	And then on the other hand, you have the kind of the sort of probably equally discredited hard left social history whereby the Industrial Revolution was thoroughly evil because it was about crushing the poor, forcing them to live in squalid basements in their own shit.
	They all died of cholera and stuff and, you know, Dickens and It's hard to know what the actual truth was between those two things.
	Yeah, 100%.
	But often I wonder these days about whether things really were so terrible in the past or whether that's a bit of a lie to make us accept the horrible things that we have going on now.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, things, it sounds all horrible, doesn't it?
	Like, oh, before they had television, or running water, or whatever, but, and when I watch The Chosen, or whatever, these people, you know the people with like the oil, and the lamps, and the little sheep, and I'm like, I don't look that bad.
	You know, like, in today's day and age, the people that just pissed off to live on a farm in the middle of nowhere are the lucky ones.
	You know what I mean?
	The people that don't have phones, just sheep, they're having the best time, you know?
	So, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	And I'm watching The Chosen and I think...
	They've all got skills.
	They can maintain their fishing boats and they don't have to mend a net.
	I think they're getting ready to pull the rug out from under the society and just watch all these people they've infantilised over the last 20 years just be at each other's throats when they turn the electricity off or whatever or when the food stops coming in the supermarkets and the people realise, oh I don't know how to do Anything.
	I don't know where I am, I don't know what time it is, I don't know how to feed myself and how to clothe myself.
	You know what?
	We are...
	You know, when the wheels come off this thing, it's going to be, it's going to be quite crazy, isn't it?
	They've done well.
	They've done, they've done well.
	People say, oh, I, you know, when I have to choose between cock up and conspiracy, I'll always go for cock up because it's human nature to be incompetent.
	And these people, I'm thinking these people are really competent, really competent.
	People in general are amazing.
	It's the idea that everyone's an idiot.
	I mean, the Evil Dark Overlords, who so arranged it, that we... Yeah, they think that London is just, oh, it's just getting worse on accident.
	It's like, are you insane?
	You know how difficult it is to screw up a city like London, you know, so consistently, so... You know, and I make a living out of laughing about how obvious it is that they're wrecking things on purpose, and they are.
	They're wrecking things on purpose, you know?
	And people, there's a sort of level to this game, and the people that still think that the people who run the world are after money, you know?
	It's like, oh well, you know, McDonald's is a horrible now because they're just trying to save money.
	It's like, they're not trying to save money!
	They've made McDonald's like the inside of a prison because they hate you!
	You know what I mean?
	And they put grown-up children in there.
	Of course!
	I don't know whether McDonald's do, but some of these companies do.
	Ah, it wouldn't surprise me.
	When you look at the exterior of what you've been shown of these restaurants now, it's clear that whoever's running this thing hates you.
	They want you to now just live in misery.
	They want everything to be grey, everything to be tiny, everyone to be cramped.
	Look how cramped they want people in big cities.
	You know, everything's so cramped.
	They want to just cramp human beings in because it brings out the worst in us.
	Yeah.
	You know, when they're all cramped out and you just get away from me.
	They want you to live like that.
	It's crazy.
	Have you heard my theory about the novelty pop singles?
	No.
	The Birdie song, for example, and Agadir.
	No.
	The reason that they so engineer it, that these terrible, terrible songs become novelty pop number ones, is because you've got people going, I go do, do, do, shake pineapple, or...
	These really mindless songs.
	Right.
	Everyone starts humming or catchphrases nice to see you to see you nice and they get the whole country acting like morons and this justifies the way they treat us.
	Look at these morons.
	They're saying nice to see you to see you nice or they're singing the birdies song.
	Is it any wonder we're doing to them?
	They're basically no better than the beasts.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	Like, wash your hands.
	You know, like, they tell you how to wash your hands.
	Get the soap.
	It's like, we are adults.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, this is really insulting and embarrassing.
	People are just like...
	They're really priming us to be like grown adult babies.
	It's pretty obvious to anyone that knows the way the world really works, what we're being primed for.
	It's going to be pretty spectacular.
	They can shut this thing off whenever they want, can't they?
	I mean, if God allows it, they can.
	I think it's the only thing that's holding it back at the moment.
	The only thing that's holding it back is they're actually on God's timetable.
	If they could steer this ship into the rocks immediately if they wanted to.
	If they really had the level of power that they pretend to have.
	They pretend to, you know, be in charge of the whole world and everything's locked down and, you know, that's part of the game.
	Part of the deception, if you ask me, is that human beings are actually incredibly powerful The direct line that you have to God through prayer and everything, you're actually way more powerful than these jerks, but, you know, they make you feel as though you're on these train tracks and they're in control and there isn't anything you can do, but, you know, in actual fact, I think it's quite the opposite way around, you know?
	Oh, I'm sure you're right, but it doesn't make it any less horrible to be living in this world.
	But yet, I don't feel like we live in this horrible world, and I'm constantly thankful to God for this.
	I feel like he really you know you're saying I got this shining thing or whatever I just I'm so convinced that God is real and I so know that God is in charge of all of this that you know none of it bothers me it's like I know that God's really in charge and I know that it's about to look terrible and you know that a famine is coming that's as few food shortages is coming but God also tells me that he'll look after me and provide for me and I believe him so for that reason
	You know, I'm not... My house is built on rock.
	You know what I mean?
	Not sand.
	My house is built on a rock of a faith in God, and that's why the storm that they're gonna blow against my doors is not gonna shake it.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I... I haven't apparently got the light thing.
	I'm really jealous.
	What?!
	Well, yeah, you know, there's... I'd show my beard, but I just like... You must have at least a glow.
	I, maybe I do.
	Maybe I do after a... So, I was mentioning... That's the first question you asked?
	That... Well, obviously, yeah.
	About me?
	No, no.
	Yeah, have I got one?
	No, it's, I'll tell you what it was like, and your reaction was a bit like, when I told you this, it was a bit like when somebody says, my friend fancies you.
	She thinks you're really... Oh, does she?
	Oh!
	I do try, Alistair.
	I do try.
	So, what's it called again, that thing on the aeroplane?
	Roar-dogging.
	Roar-dogging.
	So, my equivalent of roar-dogging, I have been on car journeys where I haven't listened to podcasts.
	But instead, I've gone through all the psalms in my head, which you'd think would be pretty good.
	But then you start to ask yourself, well, does God really just want you repeating psalms?
	Maybe he wants more direct communication.
	Have you thought about that?
	Definitely.
	So you can never be too good.
	That's the thing.
	I think it's more, I saw a really interesting clip the other day of somebody, it was basically, what Jesus really says is, he doesn't want you to memorize everything, he wants you to do it.
	It's no good memorizing what God wants you to do, if you don't do it.
	And the guy, the example the guy was giving, if my six-year-old, if I tell my six-year-old to clean her room and she comes up to me and says, Dad, it's great.
	I've memorized exactly what you said.
	You said clean your room and I've memorized it.
	Or he goes, if we have like a group, she said, Dad, listen, me and all my friends, we come around the house every Wednesday and we, we discuss and we go over how, and we really have fully understood that you want us to clean that room and you still haven't done it.
	It's like, that's not going to fly.
	And it's the same way.
	It's, it's more about You know, you can have all the knowledge of what God wants you to do.
	If you're not doing it, that's not going to fly.
	You know, it's not going to fly.
	God's like the harshest parent that there is because he's just and fair.
	Even though he's the harshest parent, nothing is going to fly.
	If you can't get it past your own dad, you're not going to get it past God.
	It's literally going to come down to, are you doing it?
	Are you physically doing it?
	And if you actually know with a great clarity what God wants you to do and you're not doing it, that is worse than having no idea what God wants you to do and not doing it.
	So the more you know, the more potential trouble you're in if you're not implementing it.
	Does that make sense?
	It's a tough one.
	Yes.
	It's a tough one.
	It's all about doing it.
	And when I heard, this was a sermon I heard on Sunday, and it really hit me, I was like, man, I need to make sure that I'm doing it.
	So what weren't you doing?
	What weren't I doing?
	Um...
	My things, and I'm getting better at this recently, but there's certain unclean things that God doesn't want me to have, and a lot of them are entertainment based.
	A lot of them might be like, you know, video games that I used to play on my computer, right?
	I've always loved video games.
	I've always played video games.
	Ever since I was a child, I loved video games.
	I'd never really properly grown out of it as an adult, because some of these video games you can play as an adult now, They're really sort of cerebral and strategy games and you can really have a good time in there.
	But, I really felt like God was saying to me, I really felt convicted about this.
	I don't want you to have these things.
	I don't want you to be spending all your time doing them.
	And it's only very recently, within the last month, that I've actually just, okay, I'm gonna give that up completely, and I'm not gonna do it anymore.
	And I basically built it up to be a bit of an idol in my own life.
	I was like, if I'm doing these things, if I'm playing this video game, I'm having a good time.
	You know, but that's what...
	I really wanted to do with my spare time and that shouldn't be the case you know I know you know you're saying I've got this this blah blah blah or I felt like I have an anointing from God I felt like God wants me to do this thing and if I'm just playing video games instead of doing that thing What do I deserve?
	I deserve a real sort of, you know, discipline from God.
	So even though it was only like playing video games, which might seem like nothing, to me, I really felt convicted about that and I really felt like, this is a huge sin, Alistair.
	This is, this is wicked what you're doing.
	By playing a video game and not Doing what God wants you to do?
	It might seem like some small thing.
	No, no, no, no.
	If God has called you to do something and you're, I'm just going to go fishing instead.
	Like, I really felt like that was a huge thing for me.
	And I've only, like I say, I've only just managed to cut that out.
	As you know, I used to be addicted to weed all the time and I was able to cut that out.
	So I'm going through a process, which is how it works.
	You know, it's a process.
	You don't become saved and just drop everything and you don't do anything wrong anymore.
	But it's a real process of being a Christian, is gradually just dying to yourself.
	And this old me of, I love playing video games, I have to kill that part of myself.
	And just, you know, get rid of that.
	And that has been a huge thing for me that I'm only just now managing to step away from.
	And it's only through prayer and asking God every day, please keep me away from these things that you don't want me to have and strengthen me and help me not to go back to them, you know.
	Because it can be very small things that seem insignificant where the devil gets his foothold in your life.
	I hope that was a good answer to that question.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what do you think he wants you to do with the time that you will be spending playing video games?
	Tell people, you know, create content, tell people about God, you know, work on this book that I'm writing, you know, about, um, Christianity for Dummies is the working title, but I might sort of change that title, um, and it's only since I gave up, you know, this thing in my life that God has really sort of opened the door to me writing this book, and he's really helped me the last couple of days with, you know, I've sort of had a breakthrough in, oh okay, I know,
	Where to continue with this book, you know, I really feel like God I really feel like I was in danger of losing my anointing which is something that can happen if you have an anointing from God Which is God's given you a special task and a special ability and you're you've got this anointing from God You can lose that if and if you buy as simple as just being a little bit lazy But just not giving your whole life to the task that Christ has for you.
	You want to give Christ 60% I'll work for you God and I'll do this and that, but I just want to play this video game for a few hours a week, you know?
	That's not how Christ calls you.
	He doesn't want 90%, man.
	It's everything.
	You have to literally drop everything to follow Jesus.
	And this was one just thing, and I'm sure the next thing might be watching football, which I love.
	I hope not, but God will let me know if that's something that... And it's not the same for everyone.
	You might be fine to watch the football.
	God might be like, James, I got no problem with you watching football.
	James, I got no problem with you smoking cigarettes.
	It's different for everyone, but I really feel like God was like, Alistair, I have not created you and given you the abilities that you have to sit over there and play a video game for any amount of time, and I kinda knew that!
	But I'm still, I've been playing video games my whole life.
	You know, it was difficult for me.
	It was like cutting off my arm.
	But that's, again, how Jesus says, if your arm is calling you to sin, cut it off.
	You have to die to yourself.
	You have to take something that has been a part of you your whole life, which is me, loving video games, and I get so much joy from them.
	But I am actually, this is the first time I've ever spoken about this, but I'm convinced That God wanted me to get rid of that, and I was not fully happy until I got rid of that.
	Now that I'm out of it, I'm like, oh, I don't ever want to go back to playing those games.
	I'm so pleased to be out away from that.
	And this was something that I loved doing, right?
	I was like, so compelled to do it.
	But now that I'm out of it, I'm like, oh, that was a lie of the enemy my whole life.
	And ever since I was 10 years old, you know, my dad would never let me play video games.
	All I wanted to do was play video games.
	You know, it's been this stronghold that the enemies had in my life the whole time that my favorite thing to do in life is to play video games.
	It's like, And so many of video games, and I discovered this recently, so many of them are cursed, so many of them are, you know, they're actually, like, there's demonic elements to them.
	Somebody did a video where they showed that pretty much all video games are demonic in some way, and I was learning more about this But it needed me to respond and cut off this part of my life and throw it away.
	It was no good.
	I was trying to do it a little bit and still be a follower of Jesus, but that is not the way it works.
	And do you think, Chris, how much of this is kind of renunciation of the flesh, do you think?
	And how much, I mean, okay, so I accept that video games have demonic, you know, so they're a bad thing in themselves.
	But do you think that part of the journey is telling the things you love?
	Yeah, it is.
	It is.
	It's definitely a fleshy thing.
	It's a rebellion against God.
	It's really serious.
	It's like, I know God wants me to do this, but I want to do that.
	And I'm just going to do that.
	You know, it's really, really serious.
	And I think sometimes people don't realize that laziness is wicked, according to the Bible.
	It's like, get away from me you wicked and lazy servant.
	It's like, it's such a...
	The devil always comes to you and just he gets you to just sin a tiny little bit and through that crack he can just destroy your whole life.
	You have to be especially for someone like me who I really feel big when every time someone comes up to me and says I saw one of your videos man and now I'm going to church and now I believe in Jesus or something like that I don't celebrate like yes I'm this amazing person this amazing thing I'm like shit shit This is what I'm supposed to be doing.
	This is the calling that God has for me.
	I have the ability to do that and I'm choosing to just play a video game for an hour?
	You know what I'm saying?
	You will lose your anointing.
	God is not some jerk.
	He's not going to sit there and watch you play your little games while you should be doing this.
	He'll take it away from you and give it to someone else.
	A lot of the times, this is an important thing to say as well, a lot of the times, let's say I'm playing my video games, I'm not doing what God wants me to do, right?
	Nothing's changing in my life.
	Lightning hasn't struck me, I haven't lost my anointing, right?
	I'm still able to do comedy and stuff like that, but that doesn't mean it's not coming.
	God has given me the grace, God has given me time to repent, to change, you know?
	And it can seem like Oh, I've just sacked God off for a bit and nothing in my life has gone wrong, therefore I'm all good.
	It's like, no, no, no, you are in the period of grace that God has given you to change, to repent.
	And you need to, you need to respond.
	And this is why I'm so big on free will.
	It's not as simple as, God, this is shining light coming out of me and I'm one of God's chosen people, etc, etc.
	It's all about personal decisions and responding to the gifts that God has given you.
	And if you have a gift, which you do, if you have a gift like people want to listen to you, you've been given this platform, God is expecting a return from you.
	And it might be a lot more than he's expecting from someone else.
	And I'm always cognizant of that.
	And it's a little terrifying.
	Yeah.
	Of course it is.
	It's pretty tough, isn't it?
	But this is why God gives you examples, James.
	You know like Moses?
	When God comes to Moses, like, I want you to lead the people out of this.
	And Moses is like, I don't want to do that.
	I'm not good enough for that.
	Like, why don't you get my brother?
	Like, we're real people.
	We're human beings.
	We're not... God wants me to do something.
	I'm definitely gonna do it because God told me.
	And I'm, you know what I mean?
	People are like, oh, I don't want to do that.
	I just want to do this.
	Like, we're all...
	Broken.
	We're all a bit, you know, a bit, uh, a bit rubbish for want of a better word, you know?
	We all have to fight against our own sinful nature every day.
	And for me, it was just a little one of, oh, but don't you just love playing video games?
	You want to have a little hour playing a video game?
	But I would always be, I would be convicted the way I wasn't before.
	Before I was a Christian, I could play video games all day.
	I wouldn't care.
	I wouldn't even feel bad.
	I'd just be like, sweet.
	Now, if I waste time doing that, I feel really, really convicted that, you know, I'm outside the will of God here.
	And yeah, it's just been a recent thing where I've been able to be like, with God's help, I've been able to just Quit that part of my life and this has been a part of me since I was literally it's been an obsession of mine I would say since I was a child and I remember thinking that but this is part of who I am I remember thinking but this is part of who I am and then I would read my Bible and it's like yes and God wants you to kill Who you are.
	And you know what I mean?
	It's death.
	Death itself is where God is leading you.
	You know, where you just want to do things for other people.
	You just want to serve Jesus.
	You don't want to serve yourself.
	And it's really difficult to get there.
	But God's with you, man.
	And he'll, you know, take you there bit by bit.
	Maybe watching football's next.
	Who knows?
	I hope not.
	I don't think you'll beat that great a loss.
	To you!
	But there's something that you have that, you know, God might not want you to have.
	You know what I mean?
	Football's not the one, obviously, but there might be something.
	Yeah, I know.
	I wish he'd pick on something I didn't mind losing, particularly.
	Never the way, though, is it?
	No, it's not!
	It really isn't.
	If you'd have told me when I was smoking weed every day that I was just gonna quit weed and never smoke weed again, I would have thought that impossible.
	You know, I was permanently stoned.
	Permanently stoned.
	From the second I would wake up, more or less.
	And I was functioning very well.
	It was helping me with my comedy and stuff, you know?
	But the second I got wind of God saying to me directly, I'm sure I've told you that story before, God told me directly.
	I've forgotten how he did it.
	I was listening to a video about things that you could have in your house that might be witchcraft.
	Like little statues you might have that God might not want you to have.
	And I paused the video and I prayed.
	I said, God, if there's anything in my house that I have that you don't want me to have, please let me know.
	And I hit play on the video and the guy goes, my thing was weed.
	Pause the video again!
	I was like, that was fast God, and that was it.
	I didn't smoke again since then.
	I went home, I trashed all my weed, I was, and I was cracking up.
	A lot of times when God would talk to me, I would find myself cracking up because, you know, he's got a real sense of humor, and that's where I get my sense of humor from, and dude, I was cracking up the whole way home at how fast it was.
	how it was literally just like the lightning just struck immediately and I was it was so the timing was so hilarious that I couldn't get away from it.
	I was like no no no I cannot get away from the fact that God was directly answering me there like in such a hilarious way that I knew and it's oftentimes it's really helpful when you know that God has told you do this it's like in order for me to not do that I have to literally go like
	to God and I'm not going to do that you know so a lot of times when you get a real direct clear instruction that's a great and also one last thing I want to say on this when God gives you an instruction right and you don't follow it you're not going to get another instruction You know, sometimes people... someone came to me once and they were having this problem and they were like, I feel like God told me to go on a three-day fast and they didn't go on the three-day fast and they was like, but I still got this problem and God's not really getting back to me.
	I'm like...
	Yeah, but he told you what to do and you haven't done it yet.
	And she was like, really?
	I'm like, yeah, if you don't do that, he's not going to come up with some other solution.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, I keep coming back to this, but God is not some jerk that you just, you know, he's serious.
	If you get some instruction and you're not going to do it, God might have all these plans for you in your life where you do these incredible things, but You're not obeying God.
	Obeying God is the best way to have a good life.
	Because the plans that he has for you are amazing.
	And they're much better than your own.
	My plans of sitting in my room playing video games are shit compared to what God has for me.
	And I could feel it.
	I was starting to feel awful about even playing video games for 45 minutes.
	You know?
	It's been huge for me.
	You know, I'm really, I'm a lot happier now that I've managed to cut off that part of me.
	What were we talking about originally before I started ranting?
	I can't remember.
	I never know where these conversations are going to go.
	But before we go, I want to ask you, your gigs, how many do you do?
	Uh, two or three a week on average now.
	So most Fridays and Saturdays, the occasional Thursday, you know.
	All over the country?
	All over the country.
	I try and not go further than... Because I drive on the same night and I come back because I work in the church.
	So what time do you get home?
	I'm a chef now.
	I'm a chef for my local church, which I absolutely love.
	So... I, um... I usually get home at midnight.
	Oh, okay.
	One o'clock.
	And can you sleep okay afterwards?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you're not all kind of wired?
	No, I do a lot of driving, which is very peaceful actually, driving.
	You've got two kids, two small kids, just me and a car.
	Fine.
	Fantastic.
	You know what I mean?
	Relaxing.
	So you drive home after, so what time do the shows finish?
	Depends what time I'm on.
	Like, I'll give you an example.
	I'm on Saturday.
	I'm in Bath.
	So I'm on at 9.
	I'm off at 9.25.
	Sort of thing.
	So I'll leave my house at 5 on Friday.
	I'll drive to Bath.
	I'll do the show.
	And then I'll drive home.
	And I'll get home at 1 o'clock or something.
	That's that.
	A lot of times, like last Saturday, I had two.
	You try and get two.
	You try and go on first somewhere and then go on last somewhere else.
	They might be like an hour away from each other or 40 minutes away.
	Or if you're in London, it's easy to do.
	So you try and get like two in, in one night.
	You know, or recently me and Tanya put on our own show in London.
	We've got 160 people there.
	This is more what we should be doing.
	Like me and Tanya were like, right, we're going to put on our own show.
	And then we get to keep the majority of the ticket money.
	And that's what something like me and Tanya should be doing.
	We're doing, we're trying to put together like a sort of a bit of a tour all over the country.
	Because people always ask, can you put a website up so I can tell where you are?
	It's like, I don't want to promote these shows that I'm on that are not my shows.
	You know, I'm just appearing on like a mixed bill.
	It's like, I want you to come and see me when I'm putting on the show, if you know what I mean.
	Yes, of course.
	That makes sense.
	But I'm doing a lot more now.
	And do you find... how receptive are... do you get people coming along to the shows who've never heard of you and don't know where you're coming from and suddenly go, wow.
	And do you get people who go, what the fuck was that all about?
	Well, my club set, if you like, is carefully curated so there's literally nothing in there that will make someone be like, wait a minute, like, my vaccine jokes, if I choose to do them, are about how people got vaccinated just to go on holiday.
	Yeah.
	And I've deliberately picked that topic because normie people will piss themselves at that because they know that it's true.
	You know, they're sitting there like, hey, yeah.
	I'm like, you said you were trying to help the old people, but you want to go to Tenerife.
	And they're all like, You know, so it's just sowing that seed of You know, it wasn't really about being a good person, was it?
	You just wanted to go on holiday.
	You know, so, there's, and through trial and error, I've got little bits about that, I've got a little bit about God being real, you know, nothing exploded being the opposite thing, and I sort of ridicule how, you know how people sort of, they like to ridicule, oh, you think God said let there be light?
	I'm like, oh, you think nothing exploded?
	Like, you know, it's, so it's kind of carefully just, it's Funny enough that once it's funny people will, they'll listen to it and they'll love it.
	Whether you're saying, you know, I'm basically saying to you, your science nonsense is a load of baloney, like nothing exploding into everything is more ridiculous than anything that happens in the Bible.
	By sort of a long way.
	Yeah.
	I've actually got this punchline at the end of this bit, which I haven't put in yet, which is where I'm like, but if I'm right, and if it's all a conspiracy, right, the whole nothing exploded, what you would need is some sort of spokesperson for it that no one would ever question.
	Right?
	Just sort of... Which is obviously like Stephen Hawking, you know, which is perfect, you know, some guy, he can't move, and he's paralysed, and you know what I mean?
	It's like, what a perfect front man!
	Who's gonna be like, bullshit!
	He is a liar!
	You know what I mean?
	The paraplegic, you know?
	It's so evil, it's perfect, isn't it?
	You know?
	It's perfect!
	But I haven't managed to work that in in such a way where people will know who I'm talking about and then won't get offended at the fact that I'm basically saying...
	You know, the whole thing's made up, and the front guy for it is incredibly disabled, so that no one will ever think about me.
	I think you should work on that one, because I think that's well worthy of... that's a good tale.
	It's tough to get that in there, though, James.
	It is tough to get that in there.
	So, people don't come away being like, whoa, that guy was an anti-vaxxer!
	You know, otherwise I wouldn't work anywhere, basically.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes!
	Gosh, I hadn't really thought... I just thought all your sets were like the ones I've seen.
	No.
	See, when I get an opportunity to perform to, like, my own audience, or, like, James Dennypole's audience, it's, like, great.
	Great.
	Now I can do my fluoride stuff.
	You know, now I can just smash.
	And, you know, Comedy Unleashed is another good brand where they're, like, Come on, Alistair, come and, you know, take the piss out of the Uless camera.
	You know, I'm really, I'm let off the chain a few times now, and, you know, that's when I can talk about, you know, the pedophiles in the music industry, and, you know, I got a new bit about that that I'm working on that Tanya really enjoys, but you do it to a regular audience of people, and they're just like, quiffin' it.
	What?
	You know, they're not, but if I can get that to work, Yeah, right.
	Oh, it'll be just amazing.
	It'll really open people's eyes to how a lot of these, you know, singers like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, they're actually just put out there to sexualize children.
	Like the Spice Girls is another group that I use as an example of how disgusting, you know, their music really is and how a lot of it's about sex.
	And it's just they're trying to get it into an eight year old, you know, so these are concepts that are really sort of un-Normie.
	But if people are laughing, They'll accept anything that you say.
	If they're howling with laughter, they don't give a shit what taboo you might be breaking at the time.
	This is why, one of the reasons I'm not allowed to work anywhere of significance while you never see me on the television or Netflix or anything, because it's unique comedy in that you can have the direct opposite opinion of someone, and if they're really howling with laughter, they won't care.
	It gets past their I disagree with this.
	Because it's involuntary.
	It's funny.
	You're too late.
	You're already laughing.
	And when you're laughing, you're agreeing.
	You know what I reckon?
	I reckon that, um, given that you've given up video games, God's gonna arrange it so that you can get your Stephen Hawking joke in a way that works.
	You think?
	Maybe.
	Because I've hit a block after my Thomas the Tank Engine Jesus joke where I'm like, I don't know where to go with this next.
	You know, I'm sort of I'm implying, I'm sort of referencing, you might have heard, I'm referencing the fact that people say like, oh my God, even though they don't believe in God, or they say like, oh do you ever say like, thank God, even though you don't believe in God, so I'm, people are like, I can see the audience going, oh yeah I do actually, you know, so I'm, I'm pricking at the fact that God is right in there in your consciousness, and you might think you don't believe in him, but you can't shut up about him, and you know, I'm really looking for that to become a bigger, bigger part of my act, but
	I haven't, I haven't, I don't know where to go with it next because telling people that God's real is the ultimate.
	That is the ultimate one that people will just, they'll hate you.
	You start telling them that God's real, they don't think that God's real.
	They get angry, like full-on, like, you know, that's the real, the real icebreaker that you have to struggle with, you know?
	I've, I've noticed, and I never used to notice this at all, The amount of blaspheming that goes on on TV.
	It's extraordinary.
	Isn't it?
	And in comedy, because I've noticed this recently in comedy, James.
	All these comedians that don't believe in God, they're like, Jesus, this, nail that, you know, all these.
	It's like, you didn't believe in this.
	Why is it all coming out your mouth every five seconds?
	I mean, I don't mind people saying fuck, you know, but when it's the It's the taking the name of the Lord in vain.
	It is.
	And when you sort of used to hear people saying this, you think, well, that sounds very old-fashioned.
	But now I'm just thinking, it's that TV series, The Bear.
	You don't watch TV, so you wouldn't know, but it's about a restaurant in Chicago.
	Okay.
	And it's just endless.
	But I'm sure they do it deliberately.
	Sure, like the people behind the TV is like an anti-Christ spirit.
	Behind the, you know what I mean?
	Behind the entertainment industry, certainly.
	Because it's really anti-God, anti-Jesus.
	It's so common in comedy, it's ridiculous.
	You know, it's like...
	It's so hack, but everyone seems to have some Jesus joke, or some God joke.
	It's like the ultimate thing that they want to, you know, ridicule for some reason.
	Yeah.
	It's fairly gross, and I'm sure these people don't realise the potential repercussions for what they're up to.
	Oh what, you mean where they're going to end up?
	I mean, have you seen the clip of the comedian who's talking about the vaccine?
	She's an American lady.
	She takes the name of Jesus in vain and she literally drops down.
	She gets, like, floored two seconds later.
	She's talking about the vaccine and how, like, I've had all these vaccines and there's nothing wrong with me.
	And she goes, so I guess Jesus loves me the most.
	And then she goes and falls to the floor and cracks her head open.
	Oh.
	Literally one second later she falls to the floor, splits her head open.
	The crowd like, ha ha ha, they think it's part of the thing.
	It's like, no, no, no, she literally had some sort of, you know, major brain episode two seconds after she says, I guess, Jesus loves me the most.
	I hadn't made the connection.
	I think I had seen it and all I'd be thinking about was, yeah, um, the vaccine thing, but I hadn't thought about the other, the other thing.
	Watch it back and notice that she takes the Lord's name.
	You know, I guess Jesus is loving the most.
	It's the last thing she says before she hits the deck.
	I've been distracted now for the last 15 minutes about the thing that I have to give up.
	I thought you were distracted by something!
	What is it?
	What is it?
	Oh... What is it?
	It's awful, and you even mentioned it as well.
	Cigarettes.
	Cigarettes?
	Oh, you can give up cigarettes.
	Why is it God wants you to give up cigarettes?
	I don't know!
	You know!
	I think it's because... I think it's because... they're too much of a kind of... a thing that I like.
	Right.
	A thing that you like.
	Yeah.
	What, you think they've become like an idol or something?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I only have two a day.
	That's the A.S.C.?
	I wasn't playing video games every day for hours and hours, but it was like... It's something that... An idol is something that... Someone explain it to me... An idol is something that you've built up to become sort of, like, bigger than God, or it's like... I need this to get through the day, or I just need this... It's like, if you really... My wife used to say to me, like, if you really love God and you need God, then you wouldn't need to be stoned all the time.
	And I was like... You're right, actually.
	You know what I mean?
	You're mortified about this, James!
	I am!
	I'm really... I'm really, really upset.
	Why?
	Because you love it so much?
	Yeah.
	Well... Well, you know, ask him to help you with this.
	Would be what I would say.
	Well, yeah, help him by saying, yeah, actually, James, I've changed my mind.
	Worth a try.
	Worth a try.
	Maybe he'll let you have pipes or something.
	I don't know.
	I don't know, I'm kind of... You obviously are convicted about this because you straight away, you've become like, you're the White Walker now, right?
	I'm slightly traumatized because I've been wondering about this.
	And I'm kind of...
	I'm kind of heartbroken.
	I'm starting to sense that, yeah, this might be a big thing in your life.
	I would be awful.
	I mean, if that's what I'm going to do, I don't know.
	Well, we'll see.
	We'll see, I suppose.
	It's like, I often think about this with St.
	Augustine, you know, make me chase the Lord, but not yet.
	That's what he used to pray.
	And the thing is, I did it once with, I thought I was smoking too much weed.
	Yeah.
	And so, you know, I resisted for a while and then I cut massively back.
	So, you know, I was smoking pretty much every day.
	And then it sort of, I reduced it to kind of twice a week.
	And then, you know, I mean, I have one, I had one with Dick the other day, but I really just don't, don't bother anymore.
	Generally.
	I remember sort of being, I had a sort of a reason for that because it made sense.
	A, it was making me, I thought it was opening me, it didn't help the quality of the weed I was making wasn't good, and I thought it opened me to sort of demonic attack.
	Demonic, I knew you were going to say that.
	It does.
	It does.
	That is exactly what was going on, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And the second, you know, even when it was decent weed, what it was also doing was sort of interfering with my Bible and Psalm reading at night, you know, I wasn't taking it in properly.
	Oh yeah.
	But the cigarette thing, I'm not sure, which is why I asked the question about, you know, it is really about the renunciation of the flesh.
	It's about, it's almost like a sort of end in itself.
	It's a sort of mortification of the flesh, which is, which, you know, and I'm thinking, well, hang on a second.
	I didn't sign up to be a monk.
	But God doesn't want you to have a joyless life, you know?
	It's not like anything that you like you have to get rid of.
	God does not want you to have a joyless life.
	It's just, and it's different things for different people.
	There might be some things that God doesn't want you to have that I'm fine to have, you know?
	Yeah, exactly.
	The key point is, I think, with my thing, is like, there's more joy in my life since I gave up this thing that God was telling me to get rid of, than when I was doing it.
	You see what I'm saying?
	And at the time, I felt like this is such a key thing in my life that I don't want to give up, but now that it's gone, I'm like, God was right.
	That's exactly what it is.
	I'm going to see what happens if I don't have my evening FAQ that I've been looking forward to.
	I'm going to see what happens and see whether... Are they scheduled?
	Like one in the morning, one in the evening or whatever?
	Yes, pretty much.
	Okay.
	I'll see what happens.
	You look so upset about this, James.
	I'm awful.
	Well, this is the problem.
	You see, you're like a kind of... because you can't... you can't really...
	I find that with, well actually with the whole world, that there are these people called experts and they're not experts at all.
	They haven't a bloody clue.
	And I'm afraid that applies to Christianity as well.
	A lot of the kind of appointed experts just don't know any more than we do actually.
	They're frankly probably less, some of them.
	But talking to you, I do get this sort of vibe that, you know what you're talking about, No, don't put me in the expert.
	I've no idea.
	I've been a Christian for like a couple of years.
	I'm not an expert by any means.
	I just, you know, I'm just going off largely, I'm just going off what my lived experience is.
	And, you know, I just watch a lot, I watch a lot of YouTube videos, a lot of Derrick Prince, that sort of thing.
	So I'm definitely, definitely not an expert.
	I just, I just tell you one thing.
	Go on.
	If he comes, if he comes for my tea, that is my line in the sand.
	I don't think he's going to come for your tea.
	Through my cold dead hands will he extract my teacup?
	I think you're safe with tea.
	I think you're safe with tea.
	Why tobacco?
	It's harmless.
	But I never told you tobacco was a thing, right?
	You've clearly got this from somewhere.
	God wants you to give up tobacco.
	It's.
	Well.
	Yeah, I don't.
	I'm not sure why.
	I think it's something you need to talk to God directly about, James, because he will want you to have the correct information, won't he?
	Well, how do I do that?
	Just ask, pray and ask him.
	Say, God, if you want me to give up these cigarettes, please give me just the most clear, direct sign that I cannot miss.
	Yes.
	You know, see what happens.
	That's a good idea.
	Ask for direction, you know.
	That is a really good idea.
	Right?
	You will, won't you?
	See what happens.
	You might get one like I got, like immediate... Or I might get, you know... Nothing.
	Something, yeah.
	You never know, but you might be wrong.
	I might be wrong?
	You might be fine with having a couple of cigarettes.
	Well, that's true.
	That is true.
	I talk about this with Dick and Helen a lot.
	How can you tell what is the voice of God and what is kind of the made-up voices in your head and the demonic voices, for example?
	Well?
	Well, the first thing to do is to double check it with Are you back?
	That was scary.
	Thorpe just pulled out the moon.
	Yikes.
	Are you there?
	I'm still there, yeah.
	You went away, then you came back.
	The dog thought it was feeding time.
	Yeah.
	And pulled out the lead.
	Well, I think the podcast survived, right?
	Not one of these awful situations with old things in the can, is it?
	No, no, no, it's fine, it's fine.
	Fine.
	So, this can be, because I'm going to have a cup of tea, because I need one.
	Do it.
	Because it's hot and stuff, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's been a great chat, by the way.
	I've really enjoyed it.
	I've really enjoyed this one.
	Really enjoyed this one.
	So, how can you tell?
	What is?
	The first thing is to double-check it with Scripture.
	So, is it Scripture, the voice that's in your head that's supposed to be God?
	It will never conflict with the Word of God.
	So, you know, if God's telling you it is something that's not biblical, that's not it.
	That's the easiest way to... But cigarettes aren't in the Bible?
	No.
	No, cigarettes are not in the Bible, so...
	I guess you're just going to have to use your discernment here, you know, and just...
	My wife tells me to just when you're looking to hear from God to just completely just clear your mind and try and just keep your mind completely clear.
	You know so that you know that you're not Putting something out there and then being like, oh, God just told me this, you know?
	But in my case, I've been lucky that the times I felt that God has really directly spoke to me.
	In my example, so the conviction that I had about playing video games was what really rammed home to me that this is God here, you know?
	Like, because when you have the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit will convict you of things that previously you weren't convicted of at all, like since you became a Christian.
	So smoking might be a good example, like, have you, have you, are you starting to get feeling bad about smoking since you became a Christian and you weren't before, or, you know what I mean?
	Well, I went through stages of really loving it.
	And I found it sort of useful for, you know, some of the best chats I have with smokers.
	So what makes you think that God wants you to give up cigarettes?
	I guess is my question.
	Well, I don't know.
	You see, it is an interesting one.
	So when my wife was in hospital, it was a no-smoking hospital, as they all are, and I turned up without my Lighter.
	I had all the other kit.
	And of course, I went into the W.A.
	Smith's and they hadn't got a lighter.
	And I thought, I hope I can find somebody who's smoking.
	So I went outside and I looked in the area where you might find people smoking.
	And there, sure enough, was an old bloke sitting under the tree.
	And I said, not many people smoke these days, do they?
	And he said, yeah.
	I've done this already with Dick, so I don't want to make a teal of it.
	He said, yep, more sensible than we are.
	And I said, I don't know, I think fags are cool.
	He said, well, we've been smoking for 65 years now, never done me in the arm.
	And I said, well, yeah, see, point proved.
	So I got chatting to him, and you know, I talked to him.
	I had a conversation about his wife and about stuff.
	And in my kind of way, I swiftly moved the conversation on to God.
	And I talked to him about the power of the Lord's Prayer.
	I said, I don't believe in prayer.
	This is the end of it.
	There's nothing after this.
	Don't be so sure of that.
	I'll bet you know the Lord's Prayer.
	You know how it goes.
	Our Father, which art in heaven, he said, are you one of them Jehovah's Witnesses?
	And I said, no.
	Anyway, I like to think that that conversation may have dropped something into his... I don't think I was not doing the Lord's work there.
	I think you were.
	So I think you're right.
	It would be good to do a double check.
	A double check?
	And ask him for a clear sign.
	Because it could just be me beating myself up about things.
	Cliffhanger?
	Yeah, you don't want to necessarily beat yourself up.
	I think so.
	I do get the point about, you know, absolutely bang on the money about demonic attack with weed.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah, that one was easier to understand because I would feel scared.
	You know like when you feel scared and the Bible says, the Bible says things that never come from the Lord are confusion and fear.
	And when I would smoke weed I would get confused and fearful and I was like, oh right, this is not of the Lord.
	But then I used to fool myself into, but it's a natural plant that grows up the ground so God must want to have us.
	Have it.
	And then I was doing a Bible study of the book of Genesis, and when God curses the earth, and he causes thorns and weeds to grow, and I was literally like, oh, weeds to grow.
	I say, it's literally called weed.
	It's like, you know what I mean?
	I'm using, I'm using the thorns and the weeds, and be like, God wants me to have them, like some idiot.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's more black and white.
	To be, to be, to be continued, Alistair.
	To be continued.
	I can't wait to find out.
	I know.
	Can't wait to find out.
	You're going to hear directly.
	It's going to be great.
	Yeah.
	I suppose I will.
	I suppose I will.
	That's good.
	That's good to know.
	Sweet.
	And you can't bargain with God, I think.
	I can't say to him, look, if it is your will, Lord, that I can carry on smoking, I'll do something really good to you.
	Because that's not how it goes.
	Don't even try a bargain, no.
	No.
	Just find out what's going on.
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	I will do.
	I'll do that.
	I've really enjoyed chatting to you as always.
	Same, same, same.
	There's so much we haven't covered.
	I know, I know, I know.
	But that means next time.
	It does mean next time.
	It means next time we can not cover it either.
	Yeah, yeah, more than likely.
	Cheers, James.
	Great.
	Alastair, just tell us where people can see you and stuff and find you.
	Listen, um, Alastair Williams and Tanya Redwoods, live at Top Secret, 12th October, 5pm.
	Okay?
	This is my next live show that, you know, me and Tanya really want people to come to.
	So, it's in London, it's on a Saturday, October the 12th, at 5 o'clock.
	We're going to be going for a drink afterwards.
	That's a good time.
	You can make a whole evening of it.
	The only time we could get on a weekend is five o'clock on a Saturday.
	That's a brilliant time!
	I think so too.
	So it's an hour, the show's an hour, and then we'll go for tickets are a tenner, they're very reasonable.
	So that's the first thing that I'd like to mention.
	Alistair Williamson's Tanya Redwood's Live at Top Secret.
	Just Google that and you'll get it.
	And then the second one is just, you know, the lovely people that support me on Subscribestar and Locals and that sort of thing.
	Just give them a shout out.
	They're very important.
	And you are Alistair Williams.
	Williams.
	Yeah.
	That's it, yeah.
	That's all my promo done.
	Brilliant.
	Well, thanks everyone for watching.
	I really appreciate your support on Substack and Locals and Patreon and Scribestar.
	Also, you can buy me a coffee if you don't want to commit to all the other stuff, but you do get early access.
	Support my sponsors, obviously.
	And thanks for watching and listening, and thanks again.
	Alastair Williams.
	Do go and see his show.
	Alastair and Tanya are very, very funny.
	I mean, I'm not even saying that to blow smoke up their bottoms.
	They are funny.
	Good.
	Time for a tea.
	But not a fan.
	Alright.
	Bye.
	Bye-bye.
	What's the thing called again?
	The raw... raw-dogging?
	No.
	Raw-dogging.
	There's raw dogs at seven hour flight.
	Use it.
	Fantastic.
	OK.
	Great.
	Alright.
	Bye.

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