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Welcome to The Delling Pod, Dan Stevens.
You're quite a presence on my, I hate to use the word Twitter, because it's a kind of guilty It's a guilty pleasure.
One shouldn't really get involved with it at all.
But you are there quite a lot.
And more often than not, you're talking about chemtrails, which is a great topic.
And I'm really looking forward to talking about it with you.
But first of all, I discover, well, you rather, you showed me that you have a hinterland, that you were a kind of a professional racing cyclist.
Is that the kind of thing?
Trying to be, trying to be.
I was pretty good when I was a junior.
I used to run for the county, was a 400 meter runner, top 10 in the UK, knocking out 50 second 400 meters when I was 15 years old.
And then progressed to cycling, and then got glandular fever and stopped for a while.
And got a full-time job in return to cycling, I think when I was in my, I don't know, probably 30s now, sometime.
And, yeah, become involved in some doping stuff around professional cycling and ended up becoming a whistleblower and working with the Digital Culture, Media and Sport Committee in the Sunday Times.
So, yeah, it's quite mixed.
Well, OK, well, we've got a there's a lot there to unpack as pretentious gits say.
I just want to ask you a few questions about because I I'm torn between love and hatred of cyclists.
You know, when I'm trying to get somewhere in my car, and there are these tossers sort of fanning out into the road, you know, as if as if they own it in their in their stupid multicoloured Lycra, they're often sort of of a particular age, they're often sort of
Men middle-aged men in Lycra middle-aged men in Lycra and I think you tosses if you want to get if you want to ride something ride a horse or just just get off the roads and just bugger off at the same time.
I watched that Sky, no not Sky, the Netflix documentary series about the Tour de France riders and I see how racehorse skinny they are and I just, and I think about the pain that, well not they, you have to go through and just tell me about it.
I mean it's a kind of masochist dream isn't it?
I think cycling is one of those sports that rewards hard work.
So I think, you know, if you look at the Tour de France, you're racing bikes all day, every day for three weeks, non-stop.
Each stage is, you know, between four and a half to six and a half hours long.
With a few mountain passes, you know, 100, 100, you know, 100 to 150 miles long per stage.
And people need to be incredibly fit and healthy and their bodies need to be reliable.
They need good support.
But unlike, say, running 100 metre sprinters, you kind of either have it or you don't have it.
Or marathon runners, you kind of have it or you don't have it because cycling is such a variable sport.
You've got flat courses, hilly courses, sprint courses, time trials.
It means that any kind of talented athlete can do well somewhere in cycling if you're prepared to put in hard work.
And then that kind of reaches a point that You know, if you are putting in hard work and everyone else around you is doping, then you need to be doing the hard work and the doping, and the doping allows you to do more hard work.
And I think that's kind of an interesting thing with cycling and the stigma of doping.
What doping allows you to do is work harder.
You know, the cynic would say, well, that allows you to cheat, but If everyone else is cheating and everyone else is taking performance enhancing substances that allows them to do seven hours training a day or five without you before your body breaks down then you know you're into issues there but yeah cycling is is incredibly hard and it's an amazing sport and a very romantic sport
And you see programs like Netflix, you know, trying to tell the story and communicate the romance and the tears and the blood and the sweat that goes with a race like the Tour, or even the Spring Classics, which, you know, take place in hard roads in Europe, on cobblestones, in mud, in dust, in rain, in snow.
You know, these guys have got balls.
um big balls and and they're not they're not afraid to swing them either um yeah but you know doping is is prevalent i think in all sport um you know there is a a theory that the oil companies are targeting cycling because they don't want want the green issues there and and cycling therefore is on the receiving end of of more kind of harsher stories around doping and things like that.
So yeah, it's an interesting, you know, diverse sport with lots going on, lots of talking points, lots of hard men, lots of conspiracy, lots of, lots of scandal, et cetera, et cetera.
Do you think it's impossible to get to the top of cycling and, and indeed many other sports, unless you take performance enhancing drugs one way or another?
I think so.
I think when you look at athletes that you'd compete against at school and you see two young athletes that are on a par and they've known each other from the age of 13, they've gone through the youth ranks, the junior ranks, early senior ranks, then all of a sudden one of those athletes makes a quantum leap over the other athlete.
The other athlete is left without a job.
And it's one of those kind of like prisoner dilemma type scenarios that, you know, if you don't do it, you're not going to get a job.
Therefore, the people that have got a job doing it are now the TV pundits and the writers and everything else.
So it's, I believe there's a filtering process that, you know, the people at the very top of the sport have doped.
And here's an example.
Sebastian Coe organized the 2012 Olympic Games.
Sebastian Coe openly blood doped in the 1984 Olympics before blood doping was banned so you could do blood transfusions.
Those blood transfusions were organized by a doctor called Francesco Conconi.
Francesco Conconi had an understudy called Mickal Ferrari.
Lance Armstrong's doping doctor was Mickal Ferrari.
So you can see kind of how everything is interlinked.
Red Bull is a good example.
They work with Dr. Gert Linders.
Gert Linders manages athletes like Lindsey Vonn.
Gert Linders has been charged with crimes against humanity for his doping projects within the East German sports program, where he gave one female athlete so much testosterone that she's now officially a man.
And he works and I believe he has worked with Sky.
Don't quote me on that.
But he certainly worked with Red Bull and he was running the Red Bull Performance Lab and that was fairly public.
So there's people in the media that want to talk about this stuff.
There's people that don't want to talk about this stuff and there's people that maybe aren't allowed to talk about this stuff.
Are there any sports where doping isn't prevalent?
Chess, darts.
I imagine three-day eventing cross-country on horses.
I can't imagine the humans doped there.
Would you think?
Well, EPO was the choice of performance enhancing drugs for, you know, athletes like Lance Armstrong.
And that's, you know, he's openly spoken about that and what was going on there.
But running parallel to that, there's been a drug used in horse riding called ITTP or ITPP, and unlike EPO which gives you more red blood cells, ITPP gives you more oxygen binding capacity for each red blood cell.
So if you're using EPO and you're using this other substance which has been used in horse racing, it will give you more red blood cells and more oxygen carrying capacity for each red blood cell.
And this is where you get into situations where cycling now looks a bit silly because people like Brian Cookson Uh, who I, I worked with on his cycling independent reform commission was saying that we're now in the clean era of cycling, but you're seeing riders beating times by some distance that were done by other riders that were already using EPO.
So what it suggests is that the riders are using EPO plus another.
An ITPP, I believe, is that other, and that's also being used in horse racing.
Again, that's something you can easily research and well documented.
So, yeah, I believe it is absolutely being used in horses and potentially the athletes as well.
Okay, wow, I do know I'd love to talk to you about doping for the whole podcast, but unfortunately We should do I believe there's other things going on as well.
We're in terms of Some of the doping substances are clearly human enhancement drugs.
They will enhance the human status and Um and obviously recent events of COVID and pandemics suggests that there's maybe a a polarized initiative going on where some substances have actually been used to downgrade the human status and what I believe might be going on with sport is that sport is being used to stigmatize drugs that enhance human performance
um that are relatively safe because these athletes are not necessarily dropping dead although some athletes do drop dead um yeah i've seen that what's going on here what's really going on with sport yeah there's a lot going on i think it's probably worth us talking again about that subject um in more detail we we definitely should dan i i'm i'm I'm very glad to have discovered you.
I mean, because you don't know, if somebody's on Twitter, you don't know whether they're going to be really just like rubbish or...
Yeah exactly and I tell you what happened I was heavily shadow banned after the work I did with the Sunday Times and my Twitter account kind of just you know disappeared into the into the weeds somewhere and I had maybe 900 followers and what I've noticed recently with Twitter is they are clearly boosting some accounts and I put a tweet out through the pandemic and it was just a fairly simple question.
Could someone tell me why the unvaccinated are a risk to the vaccinated?
And Twitter just boosted it and boosted it and boosted it and my following grew.
And now what I'm seeing Twitter doing is boosting the chemtrail subject.
So if I literally just post a picture of some chemtrails, That will get maybe four or five thousand likes.
You mean they're boosting you?
They're boosting Twitter.
So Elon Musk is proactively boosting chemtrail content.
There's bots that are separately targeting that chemtrail content to say, you know, you're a tinfoil hat wearing lunatic or, you know, they're posting memes of Abe Simpson shaking his fist at clouds.
And this is what really got me interested with this subject because I kind of know how the Twitter sphere works and how things are boosted and how things are attacked by external agency.
And it seems to be the case that Elon is boosting it and there's external agencies that are trying to undermine that.
And the reason I say that is because the bots are so blatantly bots that they can't be baked into Twitter as source code.
OK.
Because if it was a Twitter bot attack, it would be done a lot better.
It would be less noticeable, less obvious.
So there seems to be a war going on with Twitter.
And I believe, you know, I'm not a fanboy of Musk by any means, but there seems to be something going on where he's trying to boost subjects and there's external agencies attacking those subjects.
Right.
OK.
Very interesting.
I'm with you on Musk.
I think he's a slippery character.
You don't dress as Baphomet at Halloween and show yourself to be one of the good guys.
At the same time, he does sometimes champion... I mean, obviously he's involved in the Space Con, which is just, you know, we know space is fake and gay.
But at the same time, Why is he boosting your chemtrails posts?
Because I think, I'll tell you why I think that, and I'm Is it a positive?
Is it a negative that is boosting Chemtrail posts per se?
I think we're at the point now with the Chemtrail operations where they know they can't hide it much longer.
And I think they're trying to produce public discord in it.
So it's a form of soft disclosure.
Get people, boost those images that I'm posting and other people are posting.
Create debate over it.
Is it?
Isn't it?
And then slowly introduce the need to maybe do it.
Perhaps we should do it.
You know, the reality is they've been doing it.
And that's what I think is going on.
You know, I'm quite intuitive with this stuff and a lot of the time my gut has proven to be right and my intuition tells me that they need people to know it's going on in a way that feels very conspiratorial.
So the next stage is in creating debate.
Are you crazy?
Yes or no?
Okay.
Well, maybe it is going on.
Maybe it has been going on, but do we need to do it?
Is it for your safety?
You know, since the since 2014, I've been following all these subjects through the pandemic, through the PCR testing, through companies like WGSN, who are owned by the Guardian Group that forecasts fashion colors.
And there absolutely is a calendar of pre-packaged and pre-planned events that we we receive.
And I think their promotion of chemtrials is just is just another one of those.
That's, that's really interesting.
And I think it accords with something I've noticed.
And I think you've pointed this out as well.
There are various accounts of people who purport to be on our side, who have already started pushing the narrative.
No, no, wait, you don't understand.
Chemtrails, they're not what you think.
They're a good thing.
They're protecting us from blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second.
Either you're extremely gullible.
Or, you're working for the enemy.
One or each other.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And there was one particular account saying that this was a battle between White Hats and Black Hats and QAnon.
And what's really happening is the Black Hats are spraying arsenic and the White Hats are spraying the chemtrails to pull the arsenic out of the air.
And so, OK, so the RAF can shoot those guys down in planes.
And the response to that was, well, we've got lots and lots of research, but I can't show it to you.
And now I'm going to block you.
Yeah.
In the same way, there was... when I was looking for somebody to talk to about Chemtrails, somebody... the name that crops up quite a lot is Dane Wiggington.
But as I understand it, Dane Wiggington Is pushing the climate change narrative that man-made climate change is a problem agreed.
So which completely discounts anything he has to tell us about anything else because you know, I mean, I mean, it's it's entry-level, isn't it?
Yeah to know that the climate change is a scam is is your basic.
It's your meat and potatoes.
Yeah.
So yeah, so so what what do you so?
Okay.
So here's an interesting question for you.
So We know climate change is a scam.
Yeah, we we've seen like the House of Commons report on the regulation of geoengineering dated in 2009 where where the government specifically say they need to do this to reduce co2 emissions.
So if co2 emissions is a fantasy.
Yeah, what the government are doing is onboarding the brains.
In a compartmentalized academic background where the the brains that have got the ability to manipulate the weather believe that the the rest of the mob have done the work and therefore they shouldn't question climate change is what it is.
We just need to get on and use our academic skill set to work on manipulating the weather.
So this seems to be a non-human agenda.
That's misleading its peer group by saying, look, this this group over here have done their bit.
Climate change is real.
You need to now do your bit.
We want to onboard you to manipulate the weather.
But if the CO2 thing is a scam anyway, what's really going on behind this veil?
Because it seems to be a it almost looks like a planet wide terraforming operation rather than some We've gone right into the deep end there.
I totally would not discount that.
Although, I don't know where you are on this, but my line would be that the entities are demonic.
The offspring of the Nephilim, you know, the descendants of the Nephilim.
Rather, you know, I don't believe in aliens from outer space.
I think that's just bollocks.
We're not messing around are we?
We're going straight in there, bang!
Yeah, yeah, we are.
And I think that goes some way towards answering the question.
You get this, people who want to make excuses about why they want to Why they don't want to believe that chemtrails are real, or why they want to kind of put a spanner in the works, even though they purport to be on our side.
And the most common thing they say is, yeah, but what I don't get is why these people would spray us when it affects them too.
How do you explain that?
It's going to affect their environment as much as anyone else's.
And the reply I normally give is, well, when you're dealing with psychopaths, and psychopaths are not, not notably, they're not worried about risk.
Yeah, they don't need to preserve their own interest.
I just go fall in.
Let's do it.
Let's go.
Yeah, you know like who cares if I'm going to get blown up when I take out the bridge of the of the aircraft carrier.
Yeah, it's going to feel going down.
I'm going down with you.
It's that kind of let's go but partly it's I think why are you look you've got this phenomenon, which is obvious to anyone with eyes to see you only have to do any requires you to look up
You know, when I go walking my dog at seven in the morning, quite often I see blue skies, and I will see the trails being laid, often in a crisscross pattern, like, you know, that we're about to have a game of noughts and crosses.
And you're thinking, well, that's not the flight to Malaga from Birmingham Airport or whatever.
It's, you know, that's, that's not how it, how it works.
And then, and then later on in the day, you see these, these, these trails spreading out and forming the clouds that become this blanket of fog that sort of envelops you the rest of the day and makes you miserable.
It's not like I have special eyes, magical eyes, that can see this stuff when nobody else can.
It's available to everyone to see it.
And yet you will get people who claim to be awake actually raising, sort of, Doing the enemy's work for them by raising these questions, which, okay, they're hard to answer, but they're not really relevant.
It's happening.
Clearly, it's happening.
You know, you can spend time in your brain trying to rationalize it, and that's fine, but don't go on to public fora and talk about this stuff, because what you're doing is you're making it harder for the word to get out.
Because you're giving people the excuse they need not to believe it.
I've got a reason, their motivation.
I can't explain their motivation, therefore it can't be happening.
Yeah yeah yeah and it's um the those type of comments that you're referring to are really interesting because it's it's the biggest tell you can see on on Twitter and anyone that's following my Twitter will probably know that I'm using Twitter to really try and peer behind the the the vowel almost you know I see the bots as the flying monkeys and
If you listen to what the flying monkeys are saying you can see how the wizard is briefing the monkeys.
So what I'm doing is I'm kind of cross-examining Twitter via its bots and I don't believe that a lot of that bot content is actually human either.
I think it's algorithmic, it's pre-programmed which which is even easier to kind of cross-examine what's going on there because You can probe it in the way you would a cross-examination in court and and your point is really Uh, relevant in terms of what these bots are saying is, well, you know, this has been going on for a long time.
That's one of the kind of thing like we, you know, okay, Dan, I take on board what you're saying, but this isn't new.
This has been going on for like 20 years.
It's like, okay, my point here is that this has been upscaled recently, massively since 2020.
And the other one it as you rightly point out is that well, why would why would these people poison themselves?
And you've only got a look at I think the Telegraph reported on some 1952 experiments where they were testing anthrax in on the British public or other biological agents So we know the military themselves are not adverse to just testing germ warfare on civilization or the population civilians so
You can kind of really use the bots to get behind what's going on and what they're desperate to do is one just deny it and call you crazy, which is a bit flimsy corporate week to try and convince us that it's been going on.
On the scale it's going on now since way before 2020 and there's no way that it's been increased since 2020.
You know, that's absolute nonsense.
2020 is the rollout point of a planet-wide geoengineering operation in its current form.
Pre-2020 is the research and development stage.
2020 is the rollout and I believe That they used the PCR testing to sample The the your nasal cavity to see what that looks like before they upscale the spraying, right?
And in the in the House of Commons report and the Royal Institution report, they very clearly say that an experiment like this needs to be global.
We do not know what the health effects are going to be if they even mentioned health health effects, which they literally they skip over most of that.
And then they say they're going to roll it out.
So if me and you were going to roll out a global experiment, we would need to monitor health effects and we would need to capture a screenshot of what the collective health status of the globe looks like now and then what it looks like after we've rolled out this operation.
And I believe, and obviously we both know that Covid was a hoax and there's no such thing, but I believe the true story for Covid isn't vaccine injuries, isn't death from the vaccines, although that's a whole separate conversation.
I believe what they did is they used PCR testing for what it actually does which is a a sample swab.
They were trying to inspect what our nasal cavities looked like at its deepest level.
They used that to down the aircraft and then they reinstated the aircraft knowing that the sky would change before and after and I believe where people are saying in Covid in lockdown the sky was really clear.
I don't believe that's what they mean.
I believe what they mean is that the old sky is how it looked before the planes were reintroduced back into the air.
And when those planes were reintroduced back into the air, that's when we saw a lot of the geoengineering activities increasing.
And once they did that, they then carried on the PCR testing to see what your nasal cavity would look like once they've started spraying this stuff.
And that's what I believe has really gone on here.
Okay, so what are they spraying?
I think to answer that question, well the short answer is all and everything.
I think they're running every experiment they can.
They are probably at the stage where they're now dialing things in.
I've got no idea what they're spraying.
You can say things like aluminium, sulphur dioxide, all sorts of stuff.
Uh, but we really don't know what we do.
What it does look like, though, is that they started swabbing people before they sprayed, and they carried on swabbing after they started spraying.
And here's an interesting fact for you.
Uh, they downed the aircraft until July 1st, 2020, right?
A week before they reintroduced the aircraft into the sky, they mandated face masks.
We're already six months into a pandemic.
The date they choose to mandate face masks was one week before they reintroduced flights.
Okay.
They knew what they were spraying and they were taking precautions.
Okay.
So, sorry, explain to me how that would work.
Well, I think they have no idea I suspect they've got no idea how this was going to affect people.
And they knew that when they put the planes back in the air, they were going to go flat out and start doing this big time.
And they were being cautious because they didn't want to make it look too obvious.
They had no idea what it was going to be.
So they rolled out the face masks.
They then started rearranging the layouts of your local town.
Do you remember that when they changed your high street into a one-way system?
I think what they were doing is just creating all kinds of distractions to stop you looking up.
I think they kicked off the BLM stuff.
They kicked off the transgender stuff.
They started putting men in women's sport, and it was all distraction.
They knew what they were doing in the sky, and they created all manner of distraction at every level possible.
And while they were doing that, they were creating subliminal messages saying, new normal, we're in it together, etc, etc.
And every one of those messages is accompanied with a rainbow of some type.
And you know, you see the NHS, clap the NHS, thank you NHS.
It's a nice blue sky with a rainbow with two white clouds either side of the rainbow.
And those two white clouds represent the spraying trails.
And the rainbow is what we're now seeing because there's so much of this material in the sky is causing these kind of Kembo's.
And I think this is all subliminal messaging.
The CDC logo is a set of chemtrails.
If you look at the CDC logo, it's literally just a blue sky with white lines going all the way through it.
So I think it's all about chemtrails, all about geoengineering and everything else is a distraction.
That's interesting because I think hence the ongoing new variant is going to be a new vet because I don't know how these these experiments are going to have are going to affect people.
So if they can keep pushing new variant new variant new variant that they're covering off the unknown for themselves.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
I you're right a lot of people.
Of our party, as it were.
Think of chemtrails as a kind of peripheral thing, a kind of hobby thing that you can get into when you've done 9-11 and done Kennedy and stuff.
But you're right.
It's got to be more than that.
It's got to be more than that.
The scale of it, the intentions behind it have to be nefarious because you wouldn't You wouldn't conduct an operation on that scale and simultaneously put all these things in play to stop people asking questions about it.
you wouldn't you wouldn't have your intelligence services policing the internet to make sure that the people who said the things you and i say were dismissed as tinfoil hatters and so on um what what do you think the connection between the spraying is and this god-awful winter we've you know the the The rain has been off the scale.
I think it's been the wettest February ever.
It amazes me that people...
Certainly people who live in the country ought to be aware that this weather bait natural.
I mean, I think people who say, oh, well, it's does this at winter are idiots.
I mean, they're just just I can't respect them because they are, again, doing the enemy's work for them.
This is the reports I get from farmers.
from sheep farmers are losing, our local farmer has lost, well in the last week he's lost six ewes to magnesium deficiency.
Magnesium deficiency caused by the grass growing at abnormal speed because of all the rain.
And not producing the right the right nutrients.
So so he's got he's got the mothers of the lambs dying.
So that's that's 10 lambs, you know without without mothers, so they've got a bit, you know, that's a complication.
You've got farmers who can't get into their fields because they're so wet.
They can't even drive four-wheel drives in there, you know, they get they're getting stuck.
So it means you can't take your trailers in there with your lambs you it means you can't plant for the you know if you're an arable farmer or whatever um yeah so we're gonna have to by the way do a new recording soon because i'm running out of i've got four minutes left on this one uh so i'll i'll give you another link when we do that um what do you think about what's the connection between chemtrails and weather manipulation here's an interesting thought if
If we replaced those 10 sheep that had died with humans, would the truth movement immediately be saying, well those sheep were vaccinated?
Hence why they died.
I can literally see that drop.
I can literally see that drop.
Yeah, the vaccine is the perfect cover story for chemtrail-induced deaths.
And we know those animals in that field have not had the vaccine.
They've probably had any amount of other... Yeah, there is that as well.
But I suppose the counter to that would be, well, they've always been having all those other vaccines as well.
I well, you know, that's that's a whole other rabbit hole.
I think as I understand it that that increasingly livestock is being injected with mRNA vaccines.
So let's assume the chemtrails are causing the death in the animals in the livestock and let's assume that face masks were introduced a week before chemtrails started because they know that will potentially kill you.
Would it then make sense?
Well, the point is that the face masks may have been introduced to protect you from some of the spraying, not because they don't want to make it look so obvious.
You're positing the interesting theory that the people who are dying of supposedly of vaccine injury are seriously really being injured by Chemtrails.
I mean, that would make sense if there was something within the jabs that reacted with whatever they were putting in the chemtrails.
Because otherwise, you know, why are non-vaccinated people not dropping dead as well?
Or not?
I think there's an answer to that.
One, you know, so many people have been vaccinated.
That it'll be hot.
You know, the vaccine.
Can you hear me?
Is it breaking up a bit?
I can hear you.
I can hear you.
Yeah, we're there.
I think I think the issue is that so many people have been vaccinated.
It would be.
Yeah, I'm I'm good.
I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Let me check this microphone. - Okay.
Are we good?
Can you hear me and can I hear you?
Good, good.
All right, we're starting.
So on that point with the vaccine, there's been so many people that have been vaccinated.
You kind of have to ask how many people are unvaccinated.
And if there was death in the unvaccinated group, how easy would it be to monitor that?
And two, Is anyone monitoring the unvaccinated group?
And three, is there just an assumption that anyone that dies of an early untimely death has been vaccinated when in reality they may not have been vaccinated?
And another point that's worth noting is that since 2020, I think asthma cases in the UK in children has risen from 7,500 to about 19,000.
thousand five hundred to about nineteen thousand yeah and the all of the supposed side effects of covid are one loss of smell so again if you was breathing something in through your nose that would cause you to lose your smell and two respiratory so what we're seeing is is a cover story for the spraying which i'm saying is covid and
And all of the side effects of that are loss of smell, respiratory problems, asthma, etc.
Now, I've obviously gone into my background as an athlete.
Since 2021, I've developed nasal polyps and lost my smell.
And I know I've not got COVID.
And therefore I've kind of joined these Facebook groups, you know, to look at sufferers with nasal polyps and similar issues.
And what I'm seeing is when they are heavily spraying the skies, because we also know that this spraying is cyclical, They tend to let it clear for a week and then repeat the cycle again.
On these cycle repeat periods, you see the people in the nasal polyps group saying, I don't know what's going on, but all of a sudden all my symptoms have got worse.
And these are completely, these I've got no idea, you know, what I'm doing, what I know, what I'm looking at, because I just don't post anything in those groups.
I'm just an observer.
So what I'm looking at is that I'm observing these polyp groups, these nasal issue groups, these sinusitis issues that people are having, and you can see the patterns forming.
because if you're watching the skies every day, you can see that this is cyclical.
There'll be probably three weeks of spraying and rain, then they'll let it go, and we'll have a couple of days of clear sky, then it will get cloudy, then it will go clear, then it will get cloudy, then it will go clear, then it will get cloudy.
Again, I think what they're doing is showing themselves that they can actually control the weather by letting it clear.
I think there's a point of, let's run this experiment, There you go.
We've made it rain.
We're now going to let it clear We're going to demonstrate that we're going to we can do this again and again and again And this is what I think we're seeing so you You've become slightly obsessive about this.
I mean, to the point where you know what the routine is and stuff.
Are you out there every day looking at this stuff?
Well, you know, like going back to my background as an athlete, I was, when I was training, I was doing 20 to 24 hours a week, and I was riding at least two hours every day.
And I'd been doing that since 19, well, since 1985, as a runner, and then as a cyclist, the mileage got longer and longer from, at least from 1990, all the way through to, you know, the pandemic, I was cycling.
You know, I had a couple of years off where I had glandular fever and stopped training altogether.
But in that time, I started skiing.
So, you know, I'm typically an outdoor person.
I know that if you cycle 20 miles in one direction with a headwind, logic says that when you turn around, you're going to have a tailwind.
But we were seeing weird patterns in headwinds and tailwinds, like almost to the point where you'd ride 25 miles out going north with a headwind and you'd turn around and ride 25 miles back in the other direction with another headwind.
So these things are caused through You know the the the cooling of the sky and it produces clouds that wind direction that goes kind of like an inverted mushroom cloud.
You're seeing wind like changes in the wind patterns.
I've seen this too.
The wind has been the weirdest that I can remember.
It's been near constant.
I mean, you know, doing one thing or another.
It's been a very, very, very windy winter, just as it's been a very, very, very, very, very, very wet winter.
And I think if nothing else, people are starting to get really depressed by the cloud cover.
There are people following this chemtrail stuff that are getting really depressed because they know what's going on and they can see the patterns and they know there is a
a group behind it, ultimately, like we said earlier, some type of nefarious anti-human group run by anti-humanists of some type that seems to be managing what's starting to feel like a prison planet.
I suppose the question is, is it harvest time?
Or are we Or are we being subject to a period in history where we're finally starting to see what's going on?
And knowledge is power.
And I think as we as we realize what's going on, we kind of feel helpless to it.
But we forget that we're in a situation where it's better to know what's going on and be frustrated by that and depressed by that than just not know it's going on at all.
And if we're at a point in history where we're starting to realise something isn't what we think it is, is that a sign that the opposing side are getting stronger or that they are actually getting weaker and losing control, hence why we're realising what's going on?
Yes.
There are different ways of looking at it, aren't there?
There's the optimistic side, which is they're getting desperate, they're rushing it, they're making themselves, they're making their plans so obvious now that the game is up.
And the other, the pessimistic version is they're so confident of victory that they don't even bother to pretend they're not doing it anymore.
And anyway, They know that they've got the information sphere so well covered with their bots and their gatekeepers and stuff that they can marginalize people like us who are pointing out what's going on.
And well, I mean, I tend towards that side of things.
I mean, I look at the Even people on our side who think that that chemtrails is just a bridge too far.
You know, it's it's one of those crazy things that's put out to discredit us.
I mean, you've even got you must have come across this one.
The my husband's an airline pilot and if any of this were going on he'd know about it that one or I'm a pilot and I can tell you that or here's a photograph taken during the Vietnam War or even during World War two of of planes trailing What are in fact contrails behind them?
And those images a lot of those images are showing tracer bullets that are firing upwards that they're going up through the clouds and they've got a tracer on it.
So I've seen yeah and a lot of the other images are AI and of course condensation does get created by hot engines hitting cold air.
We know that.
I find it hard to believe that the RAF were more obsessed with taking photos with their, what, their then smartphones midway through a mission to Berlin and they were capturing images of contrails.
You know, these images are, to some extent, they're correct.
They are capturing a picture of a con trowel.
They're close-up images of the planes.
But I've seen no military World War II images of condensation trowels that stretch from horizon to horizon.
I just see these close-up images of Lancaster bombers with a white puff of smoke but I've also seen images of Spitfires literally at ground level with a big plume of smoke out the back of the Spitfire where they're burning oil at the engine so is that are we saying that condensation trail and then station trails actually happen at ground level but of course these guys whatever's going on here they're desperate because
If we wasn't waking up to what was going on, they wouldn't need to deploy those bots at all.
And I started looking at history as well.
I've got quite a strong interest in ancient history and what our past is really about.
And I've been lucky enough to work with some pretty talented people that are Not listening to what you see on TV shows like Ancient Aliens.
And I think what this controlling group is trying to do is convince us that they've been here much, much, much, much, much longer than we know or suspect they really have been here.
They're trying to create or instill in us a sense of hopelessness.
So for example, I've started squatting in your house, but little do you know that I've actually been squatting in your loft for the last 12,000 years.
And before that, my ancestors were also squatting in your loft and your neighbor's lofts for 24,000 years before that.
Now you look at that and think, oh God, I'm absolutely helpless.
How much have I been hoodwinked?
The reality is I moved in last week.
Now, if I was trying to instill that sense of helplessness in the population, would I want to run a TV show
Promoting the fact that not only have I been here a long time that I've been here even even longer And this is where you see ancient aliens playing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and again and that was pulling all of the truth movement into Pyramids being power plants pyramids being this hidden energy.
Yes suppressed free energy.
The reality is our research suggests that these are It's all a manufactured antiquity and this group built this probably three or four hundred years ago.
What?
The pyramids?
All of it.
What?
All of it.
All of these ruins seem to be nothing more than ruins.
Like if you look at Baalbek, you look at things in Rome in the Roman Forum like the Temple of Antoninus and Faustina, If you look at Greek Roman ruins that are spread through the peripheral zone of the Mediterranean, you really have to ask how these sites were destroyed.
you know one of the one of the things we've been programmed to do with the pyramids is ask how the pyramids were built.
If you look at the the smaller of the three pyramids which is the pyramid of Mankawi you'll see that there's nubbed red granite blocks that are are covering the lower four or five courses of blocks on that Mankawi pyramid.
Those mirror what you see in Peru in terms of these being very, very tight interlocking blocks with a puffy face that you'd see in Sacsayhuaman with nubs on each one.
And the question is, well, how was that built?
How did they do that?
But of course, that pyramid was supposedly covered in those blocks up to the top.
You know, these blocks are half a ton, a couple of tons each.
Yeah.
The issue is how do you destroy something on that level?
And then you start asking what powers would exist to destroy something and you look at Graham Hancock's work with ancient lost civilizations and Atlantis and all this stuff and it starts looking like a lot of these sites were never more than ruins.
You know like the sunken ship that you'd see at the bottom of a fish tank with the fish swimming around it asking where the pirates are and who built the ship but not realising that there's no pirate remains in the ship and there's no evidence of a shipbuilding factory in the thing.
So what we're saying is that this is a Truman Show scenario And with it comes a fake history.
And with that fake history is hung a religion and the religion is used to control.
Yeah, I'm not buying that.
You see, you've lost me completely.
I think that's bollocks.
I just do.
I mean, so you are you in the in the alien entities camp?
No, no.
The scenario is that even if you buy into Atlantis and you listen to what Graham Hancock is saying, you end up in a scenario where you're saying that once upon a time on this planet there was a lost ancient civilization that was wiped out by a cataclysmic event called the Younger Dryas, right?
So the Younger Dryas we know happened.
The Younger Dryas event is documented.
It happened, right?
However, the architecture that you see before the Younger Dryas event has nubs.
Right.
So, if the Younger Dryas event wiped out the culture that was building with nubs, why are we seeing nubs continue after the Younger Dryas event?
Yeah, so what Graham is saying and Randall Coulson is saying is that the Younger Dryas event happened.
Well, we know that's true.
We can see the impact zones of the Younger Dryas event.
If the Younger Dryas event wiped out the civilization that built the pyramids, When you look at the Portcullis, which is the central block in the corridor into the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid, on that Portcullis stone is a nub.
It's a single nub, a D-shaped nub.
Outside of that, in the Mancario Pyramid, are nubbed blocks as well.
When you go into the Serapeum of Saqqara, there's nubbed 100-tonne sarcophaguses buried in the ground, which have got nubs on them.
But when you go into India, the nubbed architecture survives.
Until recently, we've seen nubbed architecture.
And if you go into Peru, and you look at Cusco, and you look at the Coricancha, there's nubbed architecture there.
So the younger dryers cannot have wiped out this technology.
This is this is going this is like too much information here.
I just yeah, and what is Christmas?
We haven't got time for the whole like probably a 10 episode series probably presented by archaics or something.
I would show you.
I don't want to go with you at the moment.
I think I think the simple point is this the younger dryers cannot have wiped out what what Graham is saying because they the not culture.
Other people that built the ruins that Hancock and Colson are referring to.
But there is unprecedented evidence to show that that nubbed technology and those nubbed architects continued until very recently.
Very, very recently.
But they don't talk about those sites and those sites are the sites that we're studying.
So there seems to be much more going on behind this vow and sort of bringing this back on to this topic of chemistry trials.
There is absolutely a group, a controlling group behind The Vow that are messing with our minds on multiple levels.
And the best example of that is we know that this geoengineering and these chemtrails and this spraying is being done.
We know that there are truth channels trying to convince us that it is being done, but global warming is real.
Dwayne Wiginton was who you referred to, and we suspect that that's somewhat nefarious.
So who really is in existence behind the veil?
Who is the Wizard of Oz in this scenario?
And what are they doing?
Well, I was hoping you were going to tell me.
I don't know.
Give me your best TLDR theory.
The evidence, when you combine all these points together, the stigmatising human enhancement drugs, forcing human damaging drugs on us, terraforming the planet, faking historical sites, creating a fake history, notably a fake history that exists on top of a pre-existing history.
So although I'm saying the history is wholesale fake and disingenuous, That what that is doing is laying down a disingenuous history on top of a pre-existing history with layers and layers of misdirection.
So has the planet been, you know, that people will say, well, if aliens existed and if they were hostile, they would have invaded us or they would have invaded us by now.
Yeah.
What I would say is, well, if they had invaded us by now and had invaded us within the last 400 years, would you know?
So, you are blaming aliens?
Well, I'm certainly not blaming little green men.
I think humans have got a history of building ghettos.
I think we've built ghettos through World War Two.
We've built ghettos in Gaza, Palestine.
Would we know if we were living in a larger ghetto?
Would we know if we had been invaded by a human, a nefarious human group?
Who's then enslaved us into this system that we're in now if if a nefarious human group has done something like this to us.
Would it make sense for them to try and convince us that little gray men with bug eyes existed and and they were the guys that would come and get us all.
Yeah, but okay.
I mean, I mean this is all kind of hypothetical.
What you're saying is that I do believe in aliens, but not you're not not the kind of caricature kind of aliens.
I think we've been convinced.
I'm just trying to pin you down to what you actually think.
Yeah, well, what I'm saying is, and I'm not dodging the question, I think the answer is that when you start looking into these subjects of truth you realise that You don't know what you don't know, and we seem to be learning new things every day.
The scale of what I'm saying has happened could be colossal, way beyond what even the most enlightened people would like to say has gone on.
And here's a little story.
When I was in Egypt, I had access to a lot of sites that other people haven't had access to.
And I've seen walls of hieroglyphs which have got a pencil grid on it, like you do at school where you have a you draw an image in a maths book on the grid paper and what you do is you enlarge the grid.
And I've seen them doing that.
I know there's fake antiquity in Egypt.
You know, that's pretty well, well documented.
There's there's there's people doing that currently for profit.
There's potentially people done that to mislead us.
So I don't know like something more than we think is going on and if Netflix are telling you that that is what's going on through programs like Ancient Aliens you yeah you you've got it in one it clearly isn't yeah okay and what the yeah what the alternative mainstream is saying is that this controlling group has been here an extremely long time if you polarize that and go in the other direction then it would look like they haven't been here very long at all
Okay.
I'm intrigued, not so intrigued that I want to make this go on forever, but I'm intrigued enough to ask you when, okay, what century, I mean, if you accept that centuries are even a kind of a reliable measure of time, because by your token, it seems to be everything's a lie, but when do you think that these, this fake architecture was, these ruins were built?
I've posed this question now on quite a few of these kind of podcast things, and most of the time when I know I'm going to touch on this subject, I ask the host to do one thing, to go and visit as many old churches as they can.
in their local area and try and find headstones that exist in those churches and bear in mind a lot of these are Norman sort of medieval type churches and see if you can find any headstones that exist before the period of 1730 and what I mean by headstones is not you know a monument of a local lord that dates back to 1500 something like this I'm talking about real life
Human remains of a large scale society that was capable of building these cathedrals and, you know, Victorian type architecture, et cetera, et cetera.
And you can't find them.
I've sent people into the local museums and unasked, you know, to kind of the village or town museum guys to find, you know, to let them know where these kind of medieval graves are.
And at every single junction there's the same cover story.
Or where they were there, they built a big golf course on it, or they were in this location and they built a big, you know, pharmaceutical company on it, or they've turned it into some kind of park.
There's nothing left.
There's nothing left of this.
Right.
I mean, it's really difficult to find tangible evidence of large-scale human remains before 1700.
Sure, I mean, my sort of gut response to that top-of-the-head response would be, yeah, I mean, I often go around churchyards looking for the oldest headstones I can find, and it seems to me to be the case that The older ones, they've just lost their writing.
They just haven't stood the test of time.
I agree that I could have been fooled there, because why shouldn't stone last forever with inscriptions on it?
But I suppose it's the choice of material.
I mean, if you chose marble, It would work, but most people can't afford marble, so it sort of makes intuitive sense to me that there wouldn't be older gravestones simply because they've faded beyond recognition, or that they've been, as generation on generation has been buried in the churchyards, so the previous ones have been erased.
But look, I mean, you've probably got counter-arguments to that.
I'm just trying to Well, the interesting point with this particular date is that that particular date coincides with the period in which we colonized Australia, that we colonized America, that we colonized New Zealand, that we went to Africa.
So what are we seeing?
And what we're seeing is there's a situation where it's difficult to find large scale human remains in the countries that were capable of colonizing most of the world.
Now if you say well okay when you go to those colonized nations locations etc that there wouldn't be headstones and gravestones there because obviously there was no one there but when you when you come when you start looking at the evidence of that population that did that colonization in the locations that the colonization originated from It's also hard to find that information and that evidence of large-scale human remains.
So on the face of it, it looks like you're dealing with a potential planet-wide colonization.
Right.
Okay.
I think we're going to have to do another podcast at some time.
A to talk about the doping which I find very interesting.
I think you're very I'm I'm totally with you or pretty much with you on the chemtrail things.
I think you are just I'm always up for new rabbit holes and I never kind of yeah, I think that one of the terrible things that our side does is it sort of gatekeeps it decides which which there is a true which ones are bollocks and I think we've got to keep open-minded, you know, or you should know that the I find
Having gone down the rabbit hole of Christianity and reading the Bible every day and reading stuff like Michael Heiser on the supernatural nature of the Bible.
I tend to think that that offers a much better explanation.
You know, we know about the Egyptian civilization because not least because the Egyptians held the children of Israel for a period and you've got the crossing of the Red Sea and so on.
I don't recall pyramids being described in the In Exodus or Genesis, but maybe they were.
We know about the Tower of Babel.
I think that all the things you describe about this sort of the alien species geoengineering the planet are perfectly well explained by the existence of a demonic sort of half God half human race, which is essentially the descendants of the fallen angels.
But look, you know what you say is is interesting.
We just I just haven't I wasn't expecting it.
I haven't got time to go down.
I think I think it's worth sort of just trying to hold the thought that You know, 10 years ago, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation at all.
And in the last decade, we've started to realize that we don't know what we don't know.
I think that there's an effort to instill a perception that we all know enough now.
I think in reality, we're still where we both were 10 years ago.
And yes, we've learned a bit more and we're a bit more enlightened now, but I think we're still a long way from knowing what we don't know.
I think there's still a lot more that we need to know.
I think there's, you know, and the best example that is, is that the archaeological scenario where much of what is buried is still buried, and we've only uncovered 1% of what we could uncover.
And I think it would be, you know, well, I think we can't convince ourselves that we now know everything and we're in a position to make a decision yet.
I think there's still a hell of a lot of information we don't know, and I think there's a lot coming.
And I think there's a concerted effort by the other side, whoever that is, to try and put the brakes on it and say, OK, look, don't, you know, you know enough now, guys, you've worked it out, you've caught us.
Stop looking under these other stones, because I think we're still way off scent.
I think we know there's a nefarious group, but I think there's so many, they've done such a good job of hiding what they've done, that it would be premature to say, well we've worked it out yet.
I think there's a lot to learn yet, and I think we should maybe talk another time.
I think it'd be good to have another conversation.
Okay, Dan, where can people find your stuff?
Just Twitter.
I don't do much more than Twitter now.
And I didn't really expect to be in these kind of chats and conversations.
It's just, you know, most people know me through Twitter.
If you follow me, I think it's dan__stevens, whatever it is on Twitter.
I'm sure you can put a link to it.
It's quite, yeah, I will.
I will link to it because Twitter makes it really hard to find people.
I bet if I put Dan Stevens, even though I follow you, It probably would not.
I did that this morning with somebody called... I follow somebody called Baron Investment.
I mean, how many people are called Baron Investment?
So I typed in Baron.
His name didn't come up, even though I follow him.
It's just amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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