Tania Edwards is an award-winning stand-up comedian and writer. Writing credits include Bob Moran’s ‘ART-POCALYPSE: How I Pictured The End Of The World’, Stand Up For The Week, Twit of the Year (Channel 4), Mock the Week, Après Ski (BBC2), and The Unbelievable Truth (Radio 4). She was also a panellist on The Blame Game (BBC1 Northern Ireland), and a frequent guest on Radio 4’s Comedy Club.
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Well, Tanya Edwards, my dick substitute, my female, my female.
Have you noticed that we've got a formula now, James?
We have a chat, then I send you a desperate email saying, whatever you do, don't publish that!
And then you do anyway, and then you ask me to have another chat, and I go, alright then.
Yeah, well, look, I don't like... Editing is just like a pain, and it's part of the homespun charm of this podcast that we... So, you say that you get lots of messages from people blaming me for your tech problems.
Tell me about this.
Well, for example, the first time when we had a chat and I had to do it on my telephone, filming myself up my nose with terrible audio.
Lots of people have explained to me that they would have loved to have listened to it, but you're so useless that they couldn't.
And I have really enjoyed these messages, James.
I'm not taking any of the blame.
I'm letting them run with their preconceptions.
I'm sensing that your skills are more doing stand-up than... I mean, you actually make me look like Tech King, you're so crap.
The issues that we have before we do these podcasts.
I even bought that camera to make myself look attractive, but I still can't plug it in!
Yeah, yeah.
No one can see whether you're a complete minger or whether you're hot because you're just this blurry, this blurry thing.
Which is good, by the way, because I wouldn't want, you know, people watching this show just because, oh, phwoar.
Yeah, we just like looking at Tanya, you know.
Yeah, exactly.
A bit of a mind in my nuance conversation.
How are you, anyway?
I have gone...
I would say so far down the rabbit hole now that I have come out the other side.
Oh, that's good.
And I'm in an upside down world.
Well, in a good way, or do you feel ill?
Well, you see, I think like most of us, I'm on a mission to understand what's going on and then to relay my findings to my niche audience.
And some of them will be able to take it and some of them will go, he's gone too far this time.
I'm trying to reduce my audience, I think.
I read something amazing somewhere about how You're dealt with as an individual, by God I mean, and that he wants to peel each individual away from the crowd.
And I think, excellent, that's the way to go.
Make it so niche that you're just having a conversation.
Why does God want us to go away from the crowd?
Well, because the crowd is unthinking and your conscience is going to have to answer for itself without excuses, regardless of who you are or what you were dealt.
You see, I'm fighting shy of this.
Is that an argument for going to live in the desert on top of a pillar or in a cave?
Is that the deal?
You can live in the desert in the middle of a city.
It's a choice, isn't it?
Well, I have to say that because I choose the city.
We justify ourselves.
There's better access to shops.
Yes, there's better access to things.
Although it's getting very peculiar here with these pens.
They're making the pens even more pronounced.
I know I talked about this last time, but really the supermarkets now are miniature prisons with guards in.
It's very strange.
But there's still lots of individual things happening.
And also I was reading Kierkegaard and he was talking about how once you understand anything, you see that everything's an inversion.
And I realized that this isn't actually anything new, it's just becoming more obvious because people are getting so vain and everything is so clear.
I think the people that are increasing their power are bored.
I think that it's I don't know how to say this without sounding really weird, but I was thinking about it earlier.
When I was living in New York thousands of years ago, when I was having one of my many existential crises, I was attacked by this guy on my way home.
It's not an exciting story because some people appeared and everything's fine.
But the point of this thought that's been bothering me is that when this chap jumped out from behind this man, and then I thought maybe it was just a mistake, And then what happened was I thought, well, I better run just in case he is going to do that again.
Because I was sort of frozen.
And then I thought, well, just in case I'll start running.
I'm not very good at running, but, you know, every effort counts.
Yeah, you're a girl.
Girls can't run.
No, especially me.
I'm very cumbersome on land, good on water.
But anyway, so I started running away.
And then he let me run.
So he let me run and then he started chasing me.
And I really think that that's what's happening at the moment.
A lot of the fun in this is watching people panic, suddenly living their bucket list, suddenly taking too many black pills at once or pretending absolutely nothing's happening.
I think part of the game for the people that are invested in this is to watch people React, because otherwise it's not very interesting.
It's boring, everyone just being asleep all the time.
They want to see people moving around, and even in terms of their data analysis, it's curious what we're searching or what we're reading or what we're sharing.
And I don't feel like running, really.
I feel quite at ease with everything.
I don't care anymore.
I care very deeply about the future, but I can't predict when things are going to happen.
And I think that the bigger and more powerful everything gets, The more powerful the individual becomes, because the whole idea of the singularity is that everybody has to be conforming in exactly the same way.
They can't bear even one person to be stepping out of line.
It's the whole idea of the vaccine passports or the digital ID or even the photographic ID to vote.
There is no room for eccentricity or conscience or anyone even being slightly unusual.
We're all supposed to be subscribing to the same idols or music or foodstuffs.
Every time this happens and every time it increases, it only takes one person to not agree or not participate, to drive the whole system completely mad.
And then that provokes other people to notice that something's up.
So I feel quite satisfied just by telling the truth.
And I mean that in the kind of way that's really easy.
So I was at a children's birthday party the other day and I don't know what this woman said to me.
She said something, and I knew it wasn't related to this, but I replied, am I an anti-vaxxer?
Oh yes, an absolutely massive anti-vaxxer, yeah.
And she knew that I was being naughty, but it was really fun, and I didn't feel like that before.
Before I felt, I was very honest, but I felt self-conscious, and now I think it's actually pretty amusing from our side too, because it's so, It's so silly.
So, for example, at the moment, they're putting in their papers everywhere.
I don't really read the papers, but my four-year-old, he collects them on our way home from school.
He takes them off all of the people that give out these free papers.
And sometimes I look through them and I saw yesterday that someone's had 217 vaccines in Germany.
They paid for them privately.
And it said in this teeny tiny column, he's had no vaccine side effects.
And someone was sharing something the other day about how vitamin D killed some old person.
And I thought they love putting this stuff into the common consciousness.
Oh look, you can take 217 vaccines and you never get sick.
And you can have a bit of vitamin D and you're going to die.
But it is getting so absurd that it's quite easy to mock now in a way that even people that are totally unengaged in what we're talking about find it I find it resonates with them.
My friend Dave says I've refined my act, but he knows that I've still lost it.
it but it's more than I think you're right that that um it's extraordinary the degree to which they are now I mean, obviously they love, they love messing with the heads of normies, but they even more, I think, they love infiltrating what you might call truther communities and spreading confusion there as well.
So you mentioned vitamin D. So there is a school of thought that says vitamin D is rat poison.
And and you know up until now I think all of us You know awake.
I thought well vitamin D is you know gotta be taking vitamin D. It's a no-brainer.
It's this it's this kind of miracle This miracle vitamin that that we need to take especially in in the winter So obviously they're gonna have a thing now telling us that I mean, maybe they're right.
I don't know but but it's like I've just been doing this, or rather I started doing, this is one of my latest rabbit holes.
Do you know the one about parasites cause everything?
No.
I'm a huge fan of Lee Merritt and I know that she's talked about this and when she first talked about it I googled, but sometimes if I'm not sure of something I just think of anything popular like coffee.
Why are we all drinking coffee all the time?
And then I find out if coffee would feed parasites.
And if it says, yes, coffee feeds parasites, I go, oh, OK, that's probably what it is then, it's parasites.
But I haven't looked into it enough to actually start doing anything about it, because I'm so busy at the moment.
Have you started doing an actual parasite cleanse?
So this is it.
So according to this thesis, which I find quite persuasive, Parasites cause are the main culprit for all our major health problems.
So particularly cancer and heart disease, you know, which are the two biggest killers.
And one of the pieces of evidence that supports this is that two of the most effective anti For alternative people trying to treat their cancer outside chemo and stuff like that, outside Rockefeller medicine, use fenbendazole and ivermectin.
Both of which are anti-parasiticals.
Yes.
And the fenbendazole is quite suppressed.
Probably if you went to your oncologist and you said, I hear this fenbendazole is really good, you'd probably find that he'd say, no, no, no, what you want is some, you want more chemo, you want more surgery, radiotherapy.
So that's one of them.
But there's also a suggestion beyond that, that all our kind of oppressors, both in our bodies and sort of in the spiritual world, are demonic.
I mean, demons are parasites.
Demons feed on our negative energy and they try and encourage us to have bad thoughts because they feed on our negative energy.
And in the same way... The Loosh!
Did you read that thing on the Loosh?
I've heard about Loosh.
I know that social media is basically Loosh harvesting, so they're trying to trigger your kind of despairing moments that the demons can then feed on, yeah.
Tell me, what have you found out about Loosh?
There's this woman on Twitter called Black Swan.
Sometimes she's on Twitter, sometimes she's giving herself a break.
I haven't watched the whole film, but she did a film about an article.
I have more time to read because I can do it on the train.
It's part of a series on The Matrix, the film.
And what was interesting in this piece is basically that our thought forms are being fed on, but that it doesn't really matter Whether they're for good or for evil, it's more what underlies them.
So, for example, if you were lost red-pilling, for example, in some sort of... That could also be fed on.
It's not... In fact, I can see across the street a woman who used to work for a newspaper and wore a mask a year after anyone else was wearing a mask, even in the open air.
So tragic.
These people aren't well.
But she's taking it off.
This is good news.
But yeah, so the idea is that even if you think that you're on the path of On the right path, perhaps.
You can still get lost in your sort of panic, and that will be fed on in the same way as someone who's going in the opposite direction.
And obviously, Twitter would be an excellent idea of how you harvest everybody's negative energy, by making them panic one way or the other.
I feel the same way about GB News, to be honest, when people share stuff from that.
I think, what's this really setting people up for?
Nobody seems to be any more centred than they were a year ago.
They just seem to have this crazy desire to quickly Gorge on life as much as they possibly can before it's all taken away from them again.
I don't think it's any more helpful than it is if you're unconscious.
GB News is so obviously controlled opposition.
It's not even worth... I won't look at anything that GB News does.
A bit like you can read a Any newspaper article and parse it and work out what it's really trying to do, what effect it's trying to create, regardless of the actual... What it's ostensibly telling you is very different from what it's actually telling you.
But also, don't you think it's curious that the people that do these shows, they are genuinely really clever people and they're often...
People that maybe, I'm not talking now about GB News, but just generally, say some people in the last couple of years that were promoted possibly above their station, but maybe didn't have the success previous to the last few years that they felt they deserved.
And they were on the right track for five minutes and then they were elevated for being on the right track as they saw it.
But since then, they've become so enraptured with themselves that they can't They now find it impossible to imagine that the system that they've just reintegrated themselves with could still be dodgy.
So that's why they're running with every story, because essentially what they're being given to analyze is fake news all the time.
By that I mean, they might think that they're being steered in a different direction, but they're still discussing things as if they need to be discussed, rather than just ruling them outright as wrong, because they're clearly wrong.
And I think that's what's definitely happening at the moment in the world when you look at the wars in the world.
I saw someone who I really love and respect recently.
They shared a piece about Prince William commenting on Gaza and they were angry that he had become involved.
They said, oh, what's this got to do with Prince William?
And I thought what they don't realise is that all of these bad players that they recognise as bad players, or previously recognised as bad players, are going to be wheeled out in turn to drip feed them the truth about the situation that they think that they're an authority on.
And they're going to experience Sadly for them, the cold realization that they have cheered something on which is inherently evil, irrespective of your position on things.
If you're willing something profoundly wicked, like the death of children, irrespective of who you might like or dislike, then you're completely disaligned with your soul.
So you're participating in something nefarious.
And the fact that you're You're going to be shown in exactly the same way, gradually, incrementally, so that you even react against it, in the same way that people now are beginning to react against the revelation of the Covid scam.
Because they've been so heavily invested in it.
They're being pitched their 10th booster in America.
They can't possibly imagine that it could be a lie while it's still being given to pregnant women.
These things are irreconcilable to them.
So they're sort of doubling down.
And people are going to... You have to completely disengage from the media machine to have any kind of integrity for what's coming, I think.
Hang on, just give me one second.
I do it more, girl.
Sorry, that was the...
You're so authentic, James.
What?
With your interruptions and your willy-jumper, you're so authentic.
Yeah, well, it's the AA.
We've got major car trouble at the moment.
All our cars are breaking down, and it's kind of a nightmare.
Does that mean you're going to get the train to Bob's Show?
I don't know what, yeah, exactly.
There's all kinds of complications.
I don't know where I'm going to be.
So, the point you made just earlier about the GB news people who've been these characters who've been suddenly found themselves seemingly relevant.
Yes.
I understand where they're coming from because I was one of those people for most of my career, you know, I hadn't realized that I thought I was a kind of
Independent thinker who through my insight and intelligence had reached an understanding about the world, about the problem was that it was controlled by leftists and if only more free market right-wing ideas were exposed eventually people would see sense.
And what you don't realize, and this is how the system works by the way, that most people aren't aware that they are pawns in the game.
They think that they have autonomy, whereas actually all they're doing is fulfilling their designated roles.
Because some things shouldn't be discussed.
Some things shouldn't be discussed.
I said this before, but the reason I never did GB News was because when my friend asked me to do it, And I could have really done with some new clothes that week, so I'm not suggesting there was no temptation.
But when I was invited to do it, they were normalising the discussion about whether or not these drugs should be given to children.
That for me was so profoundly evil.
There was nothing to discuss.
Even by having a conversation, it was participating in the lie that it could be acceptable under any circumstance to poison a child with an experimental drug for something that no one was suggesting that they were at risk from.
It was so profoundly evil.
And I think if you want to extend that, you can, to all kinds of conversations.
I read this years ago about how Jesus doesn't speak with Satan in the wilderness.
He doesn't engage in conversation with him.
Because the conversation is just a dilution of what is the correct principle.
And we have the opposite idea.
We think we constantly need to talk things through or that we have to be balanced.
I don't have to be balanced about whether or not I should poison my children.
I say no and I don't need to discuss it any further.
And that's that.
And all of these ways where we think that we're showing how rational we are or how calm we are or how Well-mannered we are.
And it's curious with my mother as well.
So she definitely seems to have this sort of wait-and-see policy on all of these drugs and stuff.
You know, let's just wait and see what happens.
And no one's ill yet, she says, completely, bizarrely, as so many people are ill, including in her own family.
But it's...
This kind of idea that to be polite or to be normal, you should poison yourself first, then discuss it at length.
And then if you've made a terrible mistake, that was obviously an accident.
It's such a stupid way of doing things that I still can't get my head around it.
But it applies to all of these other subjects, the moral ones, the social ones.
Why is anyone discussing mutilating children?
It's obviously obscene.
Why is anyone discussing feeding people crickets?
It's obviously absurd.
And I don't know if you've noticed, but cannibalism is the new thing.
So they have the human meat farm or something.
And I was on holiday last year when Greg Wallace did his spoof TV show.
And I said, oh my God, now we're eating people.
My long-suffering husband was very unimpressed.
He said, where do you read this crap?
And I said, it's in the TV pages.
So it just popped up on something or other.
And then he said, oh, is it stem cells?
Because the human brain naturally rationalizes every disgusting idea.
So that, or maybe it'd be okay in this circumstance.
And at the same time as that awful Greg Wallace thing, someone had published how they'd accidentally, there was some human meat in a McDonald's burger.
And these things work together in the mind.
So people think, well, I quite like McDonald's.
I hope I haven't eaten a person.
And at the same time, they're hearing all of the good reasons why you ought to eat a person because it wouldn't really be a person and it would involve no death or harm.
And then a year later, it comes back in.
You know, why is cannibalism got a bad name?
Then the spectator says, oh, why is cannibalism being rationalized?
And what we've had over a year is people adjusting slowly to the idea of eating each other.
And it always begins with the chefs.
Is that just that revolting?
What's his name?
Hugh Fernie Whittingstall.
He started it, didn't he?
By getting the whole of Middle England to eat their babies' placentas.
And that became totally normal.
This is how it started.
And then years later, they came up with the next bit.
You're absolutely right.
It's an incremental process.
It's also essentially the Hegelian dialectic, you know, problem, reaction, solution.
Yes.
These things should never be discussed, as you say, and yet they are discussed constantly, and the true purpose is not to... I mean, I find the whole notion of debate just so debased, that it's part of our corruption.
We've been trained to think that, yeah, we've got to talk about things, we've got to debate them, and we've got to have Somebody representing one side and somebody representing the other.
And in the middle, probably the truth will lie.
No, there's one side of the debate which is completely out of order.
We should not be discussing whether or not men should be allowed into women's changing rooms even if they designate themselves a woman.
We should not be talking about whether or not men should participate in women's sport even if they call themselves Susan.
We should not be talking, as you say, about whether or not it's ethical to To give children experimental drug therapy that don't need when it's it's clearly poison and it's not we shouldn't be talking about Whether we need to bomb our economy into the dark ages to solve climate change because climate change is a non-existent problem It just it I used to I used to argue with with with Toby about this Toby Young when we used to do a podcast together and and he would say well
James, if you talk about, when you say that climate change doesn't exist, you're giving sucker to, you know, you're showing yourself to be an extremist and you're not scientific.
No, I'm not Toby.
I know exactly the whole story about where climate change comes from.
It was invented by the Rockefellers in the 1940s as part of their road towards one world government.
They bought up the The Academy, they brought up the scientists, they brought up, they corrupted everything, they lied, they created this thing which now everyone knows is a thing because they read about in the newspapers, but it should never, ever, ever have been discussed because it is a lie.
And so much of it, the Greg Wallace thing was just appalling.
Quick on the climate change thing though, what's really clever about the climate change debates Is that climate does change.
It changes every day and it changes seasonally and it's supposed to change and people like to ask about the weather because they're bored.
And also they like to ask about the weather because they need to know for things that they used to respect like the land and their communities.
And the seasons.
And obviously, if you go and poison a sea, or you poison a river, or your local council, like it does where my father lives, pumps sewage directly into the harbour, then obviously you're going to have effects from us poisoning things.
But In exactly the same way that even in my father's teeny tiny village, they all are fully invested in politics, they all vote Tory, they all participate in their local community, they know that their harbour is being pumped full of sewage, they also all agree that it's because the Conservative Party took a bung from whichever water company it is that's polluting their waters, so that that's why they can't really fix the problem.
So that is a little example of an area of where you're changing the physical water that you need to have because the whole community relies on this patch of water.
But if you cannot fix that locally, if you cannot fix locally effluent being pumped into your own harbour, Then how on earth do you imagine that anyone on a global level can possibly fix your local pond, for example?
So it's not whether or not you recognize that your local climate or your local environment is being destroyed or polluted.
It's that the solutions that are being presented to us betray the lie because It is impossible for someone to fly in on a private jet to some place or other, drink a lot of champagne, and solve my father's local problem.
It's not how it's going to work.
So the idea that there can be some one-world solution to local issues is an affront to common sense.
And I don't mean you saw that awful woman.
What's her name?
Christine Lagarde.
What's her name?
Christine Lagarde, yeah.
Ron Seal, that is.
Yeah.
To deal with the environmental crisis, they're going to have to get rid of cash.
They're going to have to redo banking and get rid of cash because that obviously is those pieces of paper, James, that are creating this whole crisis.
And then someone said to me the other day that they were really cross because someone said to their child, oh, it's a load of old rubbish.
Now, even if you passionately believed in climate change and you thought it was the primary problem concerning you and you thought that the solution to it was that which was being sold to you every day on the news instead of something that you could participate in directly, even if you felt all those things, why would you want a child A child of seven.
Why would you want a child of seven to be panicking about a global, if you believe in a global agenda to a global problem, why would you want a seven-year-old who obviously has no agency to be panicking about that on the school run?
If you actually believe in it, of all of the people to say it's a load of rubbish to, I would have thought of that it was a child.
In fact, if you particularly believed in it and you thought you were about to be dead tomorrow, all the more reason then to dismiss it in front of that child.
But it's again about the singularity where everyone has to be thinking the same thing, even a child for whom there should be no responsibility or concern.
Everyone even wants the children to be frightened.
That's why at school they're constantly told about their environment and that the planet's on fire and they get prizes now, sustainability prizes.
Oh!
This was happening even when my kids were at school.
I used to be driven nuts by it.
I thought, what's the point of sending them off for an expensive private education if they get fed the same horseshit that you do in a scuzzy state school?
But that's the weird thing.
These schools, where my son goes to school, they're all frightfully nice.
But there's a poster for a girls' school.
It's a very fancy girls' school.
Extremely expensive.
It's an elite girls' school.
And in the poster now, they have these two children in virtual reality headsets advertising their curriculum.
And I think this is a very interesting development because it means that at an elite level, the elite is now supposed to be buying the idea for their children that they completely surrender any attachment to reality and totally Immerse themselves in the matrix.
And it's bizarre that it's coming out now in the actual official advertising for a school.
Nothing on earth could persuade me to send my child in to have a virtual reality headset strapped to their face all day.
So I think that that's interesting, that the fantasy schools are going cash free in their book fairs and stuff.
And people genuinely This has really obvious and immediate repercussions on the way the brain works.
People can't even deal with change anymore.
Forget using a calculator to work out how much change you're supposed to give someone.
They then can't count up how you put together £1.50 from the change in their till.
You can't work out how to put the money together.
Even when they've been given the answer, they can't put the coins together.
I don't know if I've said this before because I never listen to these things, but there was a woman and she had such long, faint nails that not only could she not work out which coins she was supposed to pick up that would amount to the sum in front of her, but when she was told which ones to pick up, she couldn't pick them up because of her fingers.
Where did you meet this woman?
I was just giving her cash for something, and it took her about 20 minutes to give me my change.
And it's the same thing as the Greg Wallace thing.
You'll see at the moment, everywhere you look, in London anyway, it says, scan me, scan me.
And we're using our wearables.
I'm not, but people are using wearables to pay for things.
And you need a QR code and stuff like that.
And you're seeing all the time the words, scan me, scan me.
And I don't think we're as far from people Accepting the idea in theory that if they could just be scanned and then they couldn't be scammed because no one would be able to rob them, they could have their... I don't think people are as far from finding that acceptable as I hope that they are.
Yeah.
I think that's closer than I'd like it to be.
Yeah, yeah.
I was just thinking about the Greg Wallace thing, and you mentioned Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall and his Eat Placentas, but I'll give you another example of this.
I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, normalized the eating of zee bugs.
You know, it was initially presented as a kind of, you know, a gross-out thing, but But when you think about it, what is the ultimate aim of I'm a Celebrity as far as the game show is concerned?
It is for people like Nigel Farage to demonstrate that they can eat sea bugs and not throw up and win or come second, you know, become king of the jungle.
I've not seen it but don't you think it's curious as well that obviously if you were in tune with yourself and you wanted to be brave you would go hungry but the idea of what should be admired is being repositioned so that actually to be brave is to consume even though nothing would happen to you if you missed a meal.
I don't know how the show works but really if you Look at any people that are infinitely better than yourself instead of all of the people that are probably struggling along on the same plane like me.
But they could all resist things.
They could all decline.
They could all say no.
And we have totally changed that so that we think that every kind of success or every good quality is It is captured by saying yes.
Yes to eating the bugs.
Yes to being agreeable.
Yes to gorging all of your appetites.
I can't think of one example in years where saying no to anything has been considered admirable.
To anything at all.
That's a point.
That's a good point.
I was thinking that the whole setup of I'm a celebrity where you're in this you're in this prison you and Big Brother, of course was the same, you know, you were answerable to your captors and you had to obey the rules that the voice told you and you won prizes for doing so.
In the same way, you've got these jaunty characters, these clowns, Ant and Deck, it's all a big laugh.
And all these celebrities are proving themselves to be game by following their captors, going through the ordeals that the captors impose on them and emerging with little prizes, you know, in the form of extra rations for their campmates.
They're all acts of humiliation.
All of these things are undignified.
Even the notion of being filmed all the time or having no privacy or constantly thinking about your basest functions.
Constantly.
You can't even get a train without having to think about one of your primal appetites.
Even with little children, there is no escape from this idea that you're some sort of beast and that you should behave like one.
It's very strange.
I know.
I've met him a few times.
One of the guys who is high up, very successful in TV production, and he produces some of the kind of these, what do you call it, lifestyle sort of competition, whatever, TV.
And he, you know, he dreams up the ideas and stuff and has made lots of money.
And I was having lunch with him at a house party and he had those demon goatee eyes, you know, that sometimes you can look in people's eyes and you know that they are possessed.
Yeah.
And I think companies like Endemol, the companies that produce this, I mean everything is corrupted.
So you think about who wants to be a millionaire?
Okay, so one, it promotes the idea that you can, by sort of a combination of luck and skill, you can suddenly get the money that buys you buys you out of the system you know everyone wants that everyone wants fuck off money everyone wants to be able to it this is part of the problem that that that the higher up up the the financial ladder you go
the the more people imagine that that if they can only own enough money they can buy themselves out of the rules that everyone else is being subject to which which makes it makes it less sad because if the rules aren't there then everybody's free and you'll be able to walk down the street regardless of how much money you have.
But the curious thing as well about these quiz shows is that just general degradation of knowledge.
I spoke to someone, quizzes aren't my thing, but someone was talking to me the other day, they were off to a quiz and They found it hard now because they don't watch all this crap on television.
And then they weren't complaining.
They were worried.
They were saying this is a deficit in themselves.
They were saying, oh, the problem is my area of weakness is.
Interesting you say that.
Quizzes were my thing.
I was really good at, you know, I mean, not top, top, top, but pretty good.
You know, you'd want me on your team.
And I can still, so I went into this, This village hall quiz the other night, um, with some nice, some nice local people from the hunt.
In fact, they were from the hunt and from church.
So it was, you know, the kind of people you'd want to hang out with.
And so I went along and I was told by the wife, you mustn't, you mustn't misbehave.
You mustn't get angry.
Do not get angry.
If, if, if your team, your teammates aren't doing as well as you.
And we did pretty well on the history and geography rounds, even though I'm now very suspicious of a lot of the things that we're told are true.
But you still know the right answer to say for your point.
Yeah, I mean, for example, if I were asked who the first man on the moon was, I would know that there would be a true answer and a correct answer for the purposes of the quiz.
And they're very different.
But you're right, the round that we lost all our points on was where we were given a sheet of photographs of people from the telly box.
I didn't know anyone, nor did anyone else on the team.
They were just kind of random celebrity figures or sports, sporting personalities.
And luckily, as a table, we agreed that we were very proud not to, we'd rather not know the answer to these questions, because who are these people?
Why should you, why should you care?
But you're right, generally, my problem with quizzes is that they are designed to Reinforce fake knowledge.
They reinforce fake science, fake history, fake everything.
You're encouraged to, you get prizes for recalling stuff that actually isn't true.
So they embed false information in the culture.
And it diverts the intelligent mind that's preoccupied by knowledge into nonsense.
And For example, when my friend said that he's worried that he's weak in these areas, this is something he thinks is something he ought to compensate for or correct.
So you're going to end up... Like blown up on daytime TV?
Yes!
And it's interesting because it's really, when people talk about controlled opposition and stuff, I don't think, obviously there are people that quite clearly appear, articulate the sentiments of whatever group they're supposed to represent and then disappear again.
All in good time.
Obviously those people have got their own agenda and that's separate.
But as a general rule, I was speaking to a friend of mine.
I've got a very anti-commercial idea that I'm working on at the moment.
I'm having a lot of time writing fun, writing stuff that I think is really amusing and will have no broad appeal.
I'll talk to you about it when it's closer to being ready.
But he really loved this idea, and he's an alternative guy.
Honestly, he's really outrageous.
He would always do things for real.
Filmed in a World Cup match.
He unplugged the TV and started doing a stand-up set.
And obviously, when everyone went insane and they plugged the TV back in, he just unplugged the TV again and started telling his jokes, looking confused.
And he's a huge football fan.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
But he does these really wild things.
He did a rap battle where instead of insulting his opposition, he made all of these Self-deprecating comments like, yes, and I cheated on my girlfriend, I've got three nipples.
He does these wild things where the people in his environment think that he's sincere, but actually he knows that he's winding them up.
I suppose he's the ultimate prankster.
But he's not necessarily commercial, but he's managed to form for himself a commercial niche in this industry, even though he's an original guy.
And I told him my very anti-commercial idea, and he thinks it's terrific, but he kept telling me all the ways I could make it work commercially.
And I was listening to him and he's very knowledgeable and he's right.
And I say, yeah, these are all of the things I'm definitely not going to do.
But I think that because people become more savvy or they begin to understand that industry or whatever environment it is that they're working in, they quickly see how it works and they modify themselves to have the reaction in their environment that suits them.
And that means that absolutely everybody can be manipulated just by favoring morons a few times in any work environment.
You only have to promote the mediocre.
For a limited amount of time.
For everyone to start chasing mediocrity.
They can't help themselves.
And it only demoralizes the really intelligent.
The base don't realize that it's mediocre.
For them, it's higher than they are.
So they still think that they're aspiring to something.
For the mediocre, obviously, it's an orgy of self-referential gratification.
And for the just above mediocre, it's easy to step down.
It's only the people that are really gifted at something Well, that feel demoralized or confused.
And that's the way lots of people become, you know, opinion formers or harp on about stuff that's obviously clear nonsense or maybe anti-lockdown but totally pro-vaccines.
Because they were Given advantages and they could quickly see on a very basic level who was paying and how they could increase their platform and they just couldn't help but follow their own ego.
I really am obsessed with this book by Kierkegaard but he says, How the good and the reward are not the same thing.
And if you're pursuing the good, then sometimes the rewards will coincide with the good and it diverts people.
They can't help it.
The second the reward coincides with the good, they sort of shift.
Towards the reward.
They can't help themselves.
They make justifications for following the reward instead of the good.
So that even when they start out with the right intentions, they quickly become waylaid.
Well, he talks about all of the different kind of evasions that we have.
So excuses.
We live in a surfeit of excuses.
And obviously, there's always the ultimate excuse, which is that what difference can I make?
And I think that this is the way People can be manipulated and that it's not as clear as people on our side think.
Oh, they're controlled opposition.
Obviously, they're the people on Twitter who got paid loads of money for lying about the vaccines and stuff.
I'm not talking about them.
But on a humble level, people wanted to be participating in something big.
They wanted the rewards of approval.
They wanted people to pay them attention.
They wanted likes.
It wasn't even big rewards.
Absurdly, obscenely banal.
They just didn't want to be noticed.
On a very basic level, you can do the wrong thing just to not be noticed, or to wait for someone else to do the right thing so that you can do the right thing again without being noticed.
It's much more simple to escape all of this, I think, than we realize, because I think if you accept that the So I talked about this before, how I know that the good wins in the end, but obviously I'm living a temporal experience and I'm going to have to live through the bad bit on my way to the good winning.
But you can't put those things together because even wanting to participate in the victory is a lie, really.
He said this thing about how even if you found yourself in a coffin and you were alive, if you could still will the good in that situation without panicking, Then you're basically on the right track.
And I can't get this out of my head because there's no way I'm even close to willing the good if I was trapped in a box in the ground, alive.
I would definitely be having a nervous breakdown.
But I do think this idea of understanding that willing the good, regardless of your circumstances, regardless of if you're popular today or unpopular tomorrow, if you're rich today or poor tomorrow, if you can just will the good thing,
Honestly, regardless of yourself, knowing that it doesn't benefit from you, that you can only benefit from it, then you're probably okay, irrespective of whether the whole world catches on fire tomorrow, which obviously can't catch on fire tomorrow if enough people are willing and a good thing, can it?
I won't hold.
On my list of writers I want to read, Kierkegaard was not up there high on the list.
This is the most beautiful book I've ever read.
What's the book called?
It's called Purity of Heart as to Will One Thing.
I've underlined pretty much the whole book.
So what's the story on him?
Was he a Christian?
Yes, a sort of Christian existentialist.
He wrote this amazing book that I read ages ago that I can't even remember the name of now.
And I don't know, you're either in the mood for someone or you're not, are you?
I picked up this book before and thought, what a load of old crap, I can't be bothered.
And then I picked it up the other day and I was so obsessed, I haven't been able to think of anything else.
Well, that's a good recommendation.
I really, I think it's a wonderful thing.
Oh, talking of recommendations, I've been having the most wild dreams, James, since I turned off my phone at night.
So I've always had it on airplane mode, but since I've been turning it off altogether, and this got me thinking too, because my husband used to watch that awful show.
You know, the one with that guy from Breaking Bad.
They did some offshoot of it.
Better Call Saul.
Yes, and in that show they had the mad brother or something who was always wrapped in tinfoil.
Yes, oh, living in a house without any electronics in it.
He was so worried about radiation.
And I thought it's so funny now, any of those things, obviously you should, we should be aware of radiation, shouldn't we?
And we should be aware of energy and waves and so any of those ideas you probably should be aware of.
Well, always put in these TV shows is the most insane, annoying idea ever.
But, I have been turning my phone off, and I've started having these amazing dreams.
I wake up in such a good mood, full of questions and thoughts, and I am curious if anyone else tries this, they should just message me, because maybe I'm doing something else different that I haven't noticed, or maybe it's this basic thing, and I'd hate to be going around preaching to everybody, turn off your phones, you're going to have trippy dreams, and it turns out I've just eaten more cheese.
I always turn off my phone at night.
Do you have good dreams?
I have vivid dreams, yeah.
I don't know whether they're good or bad, but interesting.
By vivid I mean good, yeah.
I mean interesting, I don't mean positive.
Interesting, yeah.
But having not Having not turned my phone off for a very long time, I can't tell you whether it's... I mean, there are other things, aren't there?
Things like you should turn off your wireless network at night as well.
Yeah, but turning off my internet at night is pretty close to my buying a Faraday bag.
Some things just wouldn't be accepted in my... Yes, well, Tanya, I'm exactly the same.
We have to live in a world where we're surrounded by normies, and there are certain... You can push it so far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't get it.
I can imagine my children's reaction if I said I was going to, you know, because they keep different hours.
Oh, yeah.
Like, they're really going to not use their laptop after 10 p.m.
because... You need to go to bed at 10 p.m., James.
That's why you're looking so fresh.
Do you not go to bed at 10 p.m.?
No.
I didn't even get back from work the other night till two in the morning.
Ah, but that's because you're in a stupid profession.
Yeah, but honestly, even if I'm not working, I seem to go to bed late, which is unfortunate.
How do you get to sleep after a gig?
Because I mean, whenever I do my rare speaker events, I am so kind of wired that I can't sleep for hours.
Apathy, James.
I'm over it.
I'm over it now, I think, probably.
So I used to feel like that.
Now I just think, I'll feel differently maybe when I change all my material.
I'm doing a... Do you know Yuri Besmanov?
Lovely guy.
He's got a show in Gloucester that I plug right now.
And I'll write new stuff for that because I know that people that have seen me a thousand times before will be going.
But really, I'm bored of stand-up.
And it's either going to become more interesting if I change all my jokes.
They're just not the same jokes now.
When I wrote the jokes that I'm telling, I had a totally different mindset.
And I could be really nasty about things, but that was mostly because I loved the things I was taking the piss out of.
And now I feel much more Ambivalent about the things I used to... I've changed my mind about lots of things and so it doesn't feel... they don't feel like jokes now.
I don't mind the ones that are more current that I've written more recently but I need to just put the whole thing in the bin and start over and that's a hard thing to do because you need to be working in all the regular clubs to turn over your set and nothing has come back in the way it was before.
That's regardless of my opinions now.
I mean lots of people haven't resurfaced with their little clubs and Have they not?
Yeah.
Also, everyone wants to work in town at the moment.
It's impossible to get out of town.
Sometimes it takes me hours to get home.
Or things are cancelled.
Or the train fares are insane.
It's 80 quid to get somewhere that's paying you not much more money.
And I exaggerate slightly, but not that much.
So it's harder to turn over your material.
But maybe I'll have something where I'll wake up in the morning and write a whole new set.
Or maybe I'll just be writing other stuff.
Because I'm writing lots of stuff at the moment.
It's all really fun.
And it's not about me.
I was going to ask you that.
Are you finding you can still be funny?
I mean, or even funnier, maybe, with your new interests?
I think so, yeah.
It's more, I'm about to be desperately serious now and the opposite of funny, but I think it's probably more about doubling down and being more brutal.
I'm just not feeling especially brutal.
I'm feeling quite sad about all of the people I see as wrong.
And I'm feeling quite sad about all of the stuff I used to take the piss out of.
Not in some existential crisis kind of way, because I've had that already.
I mean more that...
I mean, I saw Alistair the other night, Alistair Williams, and he's got some new material.
It was so good, James.
He was so funny.
He was talking about pop music.
I thought I was going to die laughing.
So he's obviously in a period of creativity where he's writing really good stuff.
Maybe that will happen to me.
This is probably just the moaning bit before a storm of good stuff happens.
I mustn't dwell.
It's just, he has a really good way of going at things hard, which are still very accessible, even to the most closed of minds.
And because my persona is a bit of a Middle England witch, it's quite hard to go in.
I can be as dark as I like, but it's difficult to be dark and also not see the world as the way everyone else sees it.
It's quite hard to find likeability there.
And you don't have to be liked by everybody, but at least they have to be in the same mood about you at once.
They have to at least know what you are.
They can't be confused because it's a very superficial sport and people are drunk.
It has to be quite quick by the nature of it.
It's an interesting game.
I haven't quite worked out how to do things that I find interesting with my new mindset in the same places.
And also because I do a lot of commercial rooms that are full of tourists who don't necessarily have the language skills or the cultural understandings to get anything more complex than the most superficial masturbation jokes.
Sometimes you just think, what a pointless environment to be in.
I don't always feel like this.
Sometimes I feel terrified just talking.
I can see that you earn your money when you describe it like that.
So the best comedy, or some of the best comedy anyway, is about recognition, isn't it?
Yes, it really needs to be small.
It needs to be small, but you have to have a really solid persona that you take to places.
You can't change according to the room that you're in.
You have to know what you're going to do, and you live or die on what you're going to do, and you stick with it.
And it's kind of amusing when it's going badly, because that's fine.
But to write new stuff, you need to be in the same kind of place to hone it.
You can't do some new jokes in a village hall one day and then in a Birmingham club the next day, because the audience itself is so different that it's harder for you to isolate what it is and what you're saying that's going to work.
And that's not something you're doing for the audience.
That's how you get your rhythm and your structure.
So that's why to write new stuff you should just only gig in London for a week or only gig in Village Halls for a week or only blah blah blah.
So that's just hard practically at the moment because that's not the way the gigs are coming up.
But secondly, I just don't think I care.
I cared so much.
It's all I did.
It's all I cared about.
I told you that my father called me up and said, You're going to have to take the vaccine because he'd seen I wouldn't be able to play the comedy store if I didn't take the vaccine.
And he knew that that would be the thing that got me regardless of everything else.
And I said, well, that's fine.
I won't play the comedy store.
And I did, by the way.
They never had anything like that.
But what I mean is that I totally gave up, not gave up as in gave up all for me.
I mean, renounced.
I renounced it.
And now I'm sort of Dragging my heels in something with old jokes from a time that I no longer am attached to.
So either I totally redo everything and start over, which is fine and is doable, or I do something else.
I haven't made up my mind.
Will you have to adopt a new persona?
That's not possible.
Your persona isn't formed by what you find is funny.
Your persona is formed by how you're seen.
So I'm not about to go out there and be seen as a man of the people.
It wouldn't matter what I wore.
You're not a man of the people.
No.
I can confirm.
Yeah.
And even if I was, or profess to be, or only shopped from here on in in JD Sports, I still would not be seen as that.
I would be seen as some kind of mentally confused Middle England woman having a nervous breakdown.
You have to play with what people see.
Can I say, for what it's worth, that I think that you are You are very funny and actually what seems to you at the moment like a big problem is actually going to be the difficult bit before you break through and get even better.
That's my prediction.
I'm gigging with Alistair at Yuri's show.
And what I would really like is if I turned up with better new jokes than his new jokes, then I'll be absolutely ecstatic.
Next time I speak to you, I'll be like, oh, it's brilliant.
I couldn't live without stand-up.
I'm impossible to follow.
Unfortunately, it's so disgustingly... It is an emotional thing.
When you're making something beautiful, however pathetic it is, you feel totally on fire.
When you're not, you just feel like a slug.
It doesn't really matter what the audience is saying.
Yeah, I don't think that God is looking at you and going, you know, she's had her time in the sun.
I think it's about time she changed course and became a nun.
I don't think that's Don't you think it's funny?
I'm sure I've said this before.
I've got to listen to these back James and work out how often I repeat myself.
But when I suddenly believed in God, really it was sudden and dramatic and probably overwhelming for me.
I would have been able then, had it not been for my children, to go and join a convent just for clarity.
Just to catch up on my reading and suddenly start thinking about the right things in the right way.
If I had had no responsibilities, I think it would have been an easier thing to do than keeping one foot in and one foot out.
Now I feel much more relaxed about that.
I don't mean I was actually going to join a convent, but I mean, it's very hard, I think, and obviously other people are in a different space, to suddenly change your mind about the whole world And still live in it and participate in it totally fully, but also ironically.
So if you think most things are ridiculous, it's hard to invest in them wholly, isn't it?
So it's finding out how you can invest yourself totally whilst also taking the superficial stuff with a pinch of salt.
Yeah, but duh, that's part of the deal.
That's part of the challenge we've been assigned.
I mean, don't think that I I'm not tempted by the idea of going to live on Mount Athos and grow a beard and have one of those hats.
I'm not allowed on Mount Athos but I've read all the books about it.
It's great.
It's great.
And Dix had the same thoughts.
Or, you know, I would really like a time machine to go back to the 18th century and become a hunting parson, living in a nice old rectory with my six daughters, seven daughters.
Maybe it'd be a son as well.
I just like that idea.
But this is the deal.
We've been given...
We've been given these roles and it's not meant to be easy.
It's not meant to be, we have to live in the world.
No one has a dream about going forward.
I do think that that's curious.
We have all of the things of value, the things that we choose to maintain from our past or from our conceptions of what might have been, you know, the true, the good, the beautiful.
I can't see anybody really attached to this future idea that's being presented to us, which is another reason I don't think it can succeed.
My mother, she's so funny, she's emailing me a lot at the moment, she sent me this the other day, oh, and then we're all going to be replaced by machines, apparently, it is alleged.
And she seems quite ambivalent about this.
When I was a kid growing up, she said, oh, one day women won't have to have babies, they'll just be grown in test tubes.
And she thought that that was good.
And it was what they were all saying in the 70s.
But I think it's really bizarre.
The best thing that ever happened to me in my life was physically being pregnant.
I loved it.
But regardless of whether or not you like that, I can't see many people actually being attached to this idea where they can just have their face scanned, be given their requisite number of, you know, Human meat steaks go back, put their digital headset back on and play what?
Games until they're dead.
I don't see anyone really attached to this idea of progress that we're all apparently pursuing.
Who is into any of this stuff?
This is a genuine question.
It doesn't seem to engage the heart.
I know a few children really like playing Fortnite, but I don't see that people are creating beautiful things.
They all seem to be chasing nonsense, you know, wider adulation.
Nobody is celebrating.
Maybe there's still good things being done in music, but it all seems to me to be dissolution.
The literature being written is rubbish.
I don't watch TV, so I can't comment on that.
TikTok, what is it?
Prank calls.
Dancing, what is it?
Twerking.
I'm not being negative.
I'm saying that the things that people are getting, that people still want to see are really beautiful art, really skilled, technical, you know, music.
Classical music, people still like if you can play that well, like my friend Vivara.
I can't really... Who is chasing, what, electronic music with a headset on?
Whose dream is a silent disco?
This isn't an age thing.
I'm asking even about children.
When I look at the children, they like things that are real.
They want to make stuff.
They want to look at the birds.
They want to get muddy.
What human instinct is served by this idea that you're going to be a robot?
Well, but that's the point, isn't it?
That that's what the enemy has been trying to do, trying to replace God and trying to replace God by attacking The creature that he made in his own image, i.e.
us.
So it's a war on everything that is true and beautiful and good.
And it's now unfolding according to prophecy.
And there ain't much we can do about it.
That's always been the deal.
I just don't think it's going to be total.
Sometimes I do panic.
You know, this idea that they're going to fluoridate the water more and they're going to put in an army.
They are, aren't they?
Yeah, and they're going to, it's in the government, it's on their website, how they're going to send dentists into schools to put fluoride varnish on impoverished children's teeth.
It's brazen, brazen poisoning now.
But at the same time, I think, well, everybody knows that fluoride lowers IQ, so... They don't!
They don't!
A tiny fraction of people know this.
At a government level, though, they certainly do.
The people that are doing this... Oh, yeah, of course they do, yeah.
There isn't a scientific paper, if you're pretending to think that those are valid and not bought, but there isn't a paper yet on Earth that's professing that fluoride is good for anything apart from the teeth, but that everyone acknowledges that it reduces IQ.
So sometimes I read something like that and I panic, and then other times I think, well, They know that fluoride reduces IQ.
That means that they still think we have IQ to reduce.
So there is hope there, isn't there?
So you're taking solace from that?
That's positive, yeah.
Oh, I was reading Simone Weil and she's so amazing.
And she was talking about soul paralysis, and she says fear paralyzes the soul.
She said the Romans, they would put a whip in the hall so that the slaves could see the whip and were in a perpetual state of fear.
But the Egyptians, when they died, the thing that they would say at death would be that they had never made anyone experience fear, because everybody understands that fear paralyzes the soul.
And she said the inverse of this, but has the exact same effect on the soul, is a reduction of risk.
If you don't have risk in your life, it also paralyzes the soul.
It doesn't just mean that you're incapable of handling any kind of fear, but you can't function without some element of risk.
And I thought this was so interesting because she was writing this in the 40s, but I'm very curious when I get on the underground and I was told the other day to make sure that my shoelaces were tied, or in Victoria they have a child giving the announcement, please hold on to the escalator, and it's so creepy.
And it's so relentless.
It never stops.
The second you walk into the station, this is Sergeant Adrian Collier.
Please watch out for pickpockets.
And they have all of the signs.
Watch out.
The water is wet.
You know, all of this stuff.
So a total constant diminution of risk to the point where you don't have to really think about anything at all.
Everything will go to stand in the right place.
You can hold on to the right thing.
You're not going to get wet because the signs there.
Where the water is, not.
But, you know, where someone might have stood with wet shoes.
And then, at the same time, this constant fear of war, loss, economic insecurity.
So, we're totally paralysed if we choose to listen to it.
And there are some things that you have to listen to.
You have to listen to the announcements in the public transport.
But most of the other stuff, you don't have to listen to.
So I think if you... I don't know, but I think probably just by having a... reintroducing risk to your own life.
Oh, I do that.
Yeah, you do that with your horse riding.
What do you do if you don't have a horse?
I've got plenty of that.
Yeah, if you don't have a horse riding, maybe buy some roller skates.
Yeah, no, I think everyone should get a horse, basically.
So, I... Oh, sorry, before we go on, Tell me the name of that woman that you were reading in the 40s?
Simone Weil.
She wrote the most beautiful essay ever written called The Human Personality.
Really beautiful essay.
She's the one that wrote about roots and how the uprooted person can only uproot other people.
And how... I mean, it's really an interesting... It's a really interesting book.
But she's written loads of stuff and everything that she's ever written is beautiful.
Is it?
So she's a goodie?
Oh, absolutely.
My top recommendation.
Is she?
I don't know anything about her.
Who is she?
She's Jewish.
She was French.
I never read the autobiographies of these people.
I just read their stuff.
Which makes my mother cross.
I've made her read Robert Musil, who is my favourite writer, and she keeps sending me these autobiographical details of his life, saying he didn't succeed while he was alive and he needed handouts.
But it doesn't make any sense, because by that account, Jilly Cooper's a better writer than him, so it's all nonsense.
So I don't really know much about her.
She died at about 40 years old.
She was an amazing, amazing philosopher, really incredible.
She wrote the most beautiful stuff that's ever been written, but she writes really well about roots and how people are uprooted and that the uprooted peoples can only uproot other people.
That's how they don't know what else to do.
And I think about her all the time because of the nature of my children's education.
It's very cosmopolitan.
They're in a very cosmopolitan.
It sounds good, doesn't it?
But we're in the city and everybody is mixed, including my own family.
But I really noticed in language now at the school gates, it's a sort of limited patois, you know, restricted descriptions of mini breaks in Dubai.
There is no common...
There is no common language because people are skipping in and out, but they're not invested here.
They're not going to be here for long.
They're not even necessarily invested in the school fees going up because their businesses are paying for them for this momentary blip in their education, whether here or, you know, advanced in their education, whatever you want to look at it as, then they'll go somewhere else.
And all of these children are rootless because they have to go from place to place.
And all anyone has in common really is It's money or clothes or physical space, but there's no attachment to it in the same way that there was when I was growing up.
It's very curious.
I don't really know what the answer is for me though.
I'm not ready to move to the countryside, James.
I wouldn't know what to do with myself.
Especially when you can't distinguish between a squirrel and a rat.
Yes, we don't need to discuss this again.
I'm really getting... Do you know that my children, my son got a rat puppet and a squirrel from Father Christmas just so that he could troll me on that?
little monster um i wanted to um uh to bring this conversation full circle by yes uh continuing with the point i was making at the beginning about how we don't how hard it is to know what is and what isn't the case Because, okay, so parasite thing.
I kind of get that parasites are messing us up.
So I started taking this This combination of herbs called humerworm, which is really good.
It's really good.
You know, it's got things like hyssop as in thou shalt purge me with hyssop and I should be clean thou shalt wash me and I should be whiter than snow.
So it's obviously it's been known to be a purgative since the Bible and It's got black walnut, which is another thing.
And I started taking it and, you know, you get these... I won't tell you what the side effects are.
You really don't want to know.
Lovely skin.
You've got good skin, James.
But then, I started to chat about this on my Telegram channel.
And people say, oh no, you don't want to go there because it's all about your terrain or your environment.
Some parasites are, these parasites, they may be horrible in themselves, but actually they are a response to imbalances in your system and actually you need the parasites to be helping you out.
And what parasites do, is they absorb things like mercury.
And if you kill the parasites, that mercury, which is a bit like a cancerous tumour, contains things.
The parasites which have been containing this mercury suddenly go, and the mercury gets released into your body, so you actually get much worse.
And I'm thinking, where do I go here?
Because on the one hand, I think that the company that produces Humor Worm, you know, it's all natural stuff.
You know, there are no chemicals in there.
It's all tried and tested, natural things.
And clearly, parasites Excess parasites must be a bad thing on some level.
And yet, at the same time, you've got all these people within it, people like Amanda Volner, who say, actually, this is a myth that you need to kill the parasites, because actually, if you've got a functioning immune system and microbiome and gut health, your body is self-regulating and all the parasites will be gone anyway.
And you think, how do I negotiate this minefield?
I think it's probably something in that.
I don't know if you've ever had acupuncture, but it's basically you need to not be too acidic.
But I think more broadly, all people, Richard Weavey used to write about this, that people are very susceptible to advertising and hypochondria.
And I think just because we didn't get the vaccine doesn't mean that we're less susceptible to advertising and hypochondria.
I'm not suggesting that there isn't something to this parasite thesis.
I believe that there probably is.
But if you're physically healthy, then what are you needing to correct?
I don't know.
I haven't read about it, but I've noticed that in lots of my groups, People are constantly taking every kind of supplement.
And I saw this really funny thing the other day with someone I loved.
They'd taken one of these things that someone had recommended, and then they couldn't work out why something had gone a funny color on their skin.
I can't remember the exact details.
And then the person that they were asking to replied about five hours later, oh, sorry, missed this, went out for Vino.
You've done that wrong.
They'd used the wrong amount of drops or whatever it was.
And I thought, some of this is panic.
It's panic.
We're thinking, oh my God, they're trying to kill us.
And I can literally see people getting sick.
And the weird thing is that the people that are getting sick, they're suddenly miraculously stoic.
So I know people that believe the whole story.
They thought that they lived through a pandemic.
They behaved insanely and dishonorably.
And since they've taken these drugs, they're either themselves or those around them have become seriously ill.
Sometimes they've died, but they've managed to rise to the occasion of an actual problem.
So they are displaying all of the characteristics that they never had the opportunity to display when they were in a fantastical crisis that they couldn't have anything to physically react to.
Now that they've actually experienced genuine loss, they are really being extraordinarily, it's admirable how they're behaving.
And on our side, we seem to have It's a bit like the other lot when they were going mad about this thing that didn't happen.
how can we cure ourselves and how can we solve ourselves?
It's a bit like the other lot when they were going mad about this thing that didn't happen.
We're doing the same thing.
So I think, you know, if it makes you feel good, James, by all means, take it.
But you can't become obsessed in the same way that these anti-vax, masking, vaccinating lunatics kept thinking that if anyone sneezed they were going to die.
You're fine.
You're not ill.
You look really well.
You're in a good mood.
So whatever.
Don't fixate on it too much.
For a nightclub entertainer, you're really quite clever, aren't you, Tony?
Sorry, for a blonde female nightclub entertainer.
You really are, I think your point is very good.
I'm going to tell you a story that I heard the other day, I won't tell you who it's from, but I was talking about injuries from the jibby jab and stuff.
Yes.
And this friend told me about the friend of his Who was awake at the beginning of the pandemic.
And he said to, you know, he wasn't going to take the jab, obviously.
And he said to his brother, you really, really shouldn't take the jab.
It's just like madness.
You know, just don't, just don't go.
You don't need to.
And the guy was saying, well, I want to go to Australia.
And the brother said, well, you can't go to Australia if you're dead.
And nobody took his advice.
Orlando's Mayor, isn't it?
Orlando's Mayor.
Yeah, you know, the horse is perfect in every way except that it's dead.
So you know where this story is going. - Okay.
So, they wouldn't take the guy's advice because he was the household nutter.
You know, he was the family nutter.
And you know, you don't listen to the family nutter.
And of course, the brother died.
The brother died of having taken, you know, just, I mean... Yeah, but it's an I told you so that no one wants to say.
And I really, you see, Hmm.
I heard a worse story about someone who knew not to take it, and then in the sheer stress and panic of it, took it.
That is more frightening, I think.
I don't know.
I think a lot of people were genuinely traumatized.
There's a guy on the circuit, and he is Australian, and he went back to Australia during this COVID thing, and he was put in quarantine in a hotel, in his hotel room for two weeks, They would call him every couple of days to check that he hadn't killed himself.
When they came to put food outside his door, he had to put a mask on, he had to wait five seconds for them to walk away from the door before he could open the door, pick up the food, and he had to wear a mask to be able to pick up the food.
He lived like that for two weeks without leaving his hotel room.
Before, you couldn't even interview someone that you suspected of terrorism.
Without extending your powers to keep them detained for over a 24-hour period.
And somehow, we are pretending that they didn't have... It's such a disgusting story that I gigged with him again the other day and I checked.
I said, this did actually happen to you.
And I had got the details wrong.
It was much worse than I remembered.
I just remembered him having to stay in a hotel for two weeks.
But I think that there's a lot of... I mean, they really mess with people.
That is seriously a traumatic experience.
And I think that people really were so frightened.
But a lot of them have poisoned themselves, haven't they?
It's really sad.
And he can't even say to his brother, you should have listened to me, because the guy's dead.
It's sad.
On that cherry note, Tanya, I always love talking to you.
You're absolutely brilliant.
Despite being blonde and despite... I quite like your mind.
It's good.
Thanks, James.
Tell us where we can see you and find you.
Well, I'm about... Not in a stalky way, you understand?
No, no, no.
I write about, oh, my substack.
I'm always determined to write this.
And I'm also, the new project that I'm working on, I'm going to publish there as well.
So that's going to be happening soon.
And so I'm writing that.
Then I do the clubs, but you know, whatever.
And Yuri's show... Can I say, dear viewers and listeners, if you haven't seen Tanya, she's funny.
Yeah, a viewing show that will be worth going to.
Everybody's going to be there.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
And obviously Bob's Show, that's sold out now, but we're going to put that out online as a film.
So if there's any luck, we can recoup the screen costs.
Bob's Show, how would you describe it?
You co-wrote and produced?
Yeah, well, it's been really good fun.
We had a nice time.
And so that's really good.
And that's going to be out as a film in the next few weeks.
Well, next month after we put it on next week.
And then I'm just doing loads of stuff.
Just find me lurking about, chatting to you.
I'll put that in the below at the bottom.
Tanya will be lurking about and she's doing loads of stuff.
You've just got to work out what it is and where it is.
Self-stack.
Send it to my self-stack, James.
I'll send you, I'll put the sub stack at the bottom.
Okay.
Thanks.
And Tanya will be back.
Don't worry.
I think she's great.
We'll do more podcasts with her.
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