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Welcome back, Dominic Frisby, to the Dallying Pod.
I think, you know, I think you are about... You are the guest who's appeared more times than any other apart from Dick.
Because you, in the early days particularly, you were a stalwart.
I was a stalwart?
I think Tommy Robinson is ahead of me.
No, I think I've done four with him.
Okay, this might be my fourth.
No, it's not mate, I'm not sure.
It's loads, you've done loads, you've done loads.
But it's quite interesting Dom, about my journey, that I would say in the early days of the podcast, we're talking quite a long time ago now, maybe five years ago or more?
Something like that.
You would have been one of my more out there guests, whereas now you're kind of pretty, you're probably about my most normie guest.
You are, you are the most established, you're the one, you are my toehold in the world of relative normidom.
And that must be weird, for you as much as for me.
Well, I tell you, we've gone different ways, because I actually hosted a podcast years and years ago, and you appeared on my podcast.
Do you remember the Virgin podcast?
I do, I do.
And it was actually as a result of your appearance that that show got cancelled.
Yeah, I'm the cancelmeister.
Well, it was so stupid, but the, I mean, it was a classic.
It was like, if you were to do How Does Cancel Culture Work?
This is a classic of the genre.
We'd had two guys talking about climate change and they used to come on the show and one of them I don't know if you can see but he even held his hands like in the prayer position like you know as a monk when he was talking and he could just see this kind of halo over his head and He came and every time we had these guys and their conversation was so boring about talking about climate change and the viewers Just we just lost all our hits and And I was going, we've got to get this guy James Delingpole on to have a bit of balance.
Balance, they love that word, don't they?
And then, do you remember David Cameron smoked weed at university and there was a big scandal and you had smoked a joint with him.
So I got you on under the pretext of talking about legalisation of drugs, big scoop, Delingpole, the man who smoked weed with the Prime Minister and all this.
Anyway, we did the show and it was very good.
And then a couple of weeks later, or a month later, some bloke in the Guardian, Graham Redfern, or something like that... Oh, he's awful, yeah.
Oh, he's just awful.
Just, why is Richard Branson giving a platform to a climate change denier?
This whole thing...
Big scandal in the podcast.
Nobody at Virgin defended me.
End of the podcast.
And it was going so well, that podcast, and I was interviewing like billionaires and stuff like that.
And as I'm sure you know, you make so many friends and contacts and you build up such a strong network from having a... Anyway, that was the end of it.
Can I say...
Belatedly.
Sorry, mate.
Well, it's quite alright.
A great friendship has emerged as a result, and then you started your podcast, which is now the go-to podcast for nutters and extremists.
Nutters and extremists, exactly.
I wouldn't want it any other way.
But you seem to be... I'm liking your new career development, your sub-stack.
Thank you.
I mean, you've You've cornered a very interesting market.
There's sort of the nexus between comedy and kind of cryptocurrencies and gold and alternative finance and... Is that the sort of thing?
Yeah, I have.
I don't think it's... I don't think it's... I mean, I actually have two sub-stacks.
I have one for my comedy and one for my financial stuff.
And the reason I started the financial one is I could just see Money Week.
I used to write for Money Week and I could just see that dying a slow death.
And so I started doing the sub-stack and that's gone really well.
I think it's the most read financial sub-stack in the UK or some stat like that.
My picks have been awful because I, well some of my picks have done really well because of Bitcoin and all of that and oil and uranium but anything to do with gold mining has just been a total disaster.
But that's because the market is just manipulated isn't it?
I don't know if it's...
I think the gold price is probably suppressed a little bit but I don't think gold mining is suppressed.
It's just a shit market and most gold miners are exploring and developing properties.
They're not actually producing gold yet and so they need money and with rising interest rates since Covid the cost of money has gone up and they're all starved of capital and that's just totally destroyed the price.
But if and when gold and silver take off as we've been promised for so long, you know gold and silver go up but but miners go up even more.
That's the theory, but that doesn't always happen in practice.
I'll give you a great stat, because I did my lecture about gold the other day, so it's in my head.
In 1999, the gold price was £150 an ounce.
And guess what happened when the gold price hit £150 an ounce?
Can you remember?
Gordon Brown sold two-thirds of the country.
Oh, yeah, yes, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so, and gold is now roughly, give or take, £1,500 an ounce.
So it's gone up ten times since the turn of the century.
Ten times.
Now, people go, wow, it's gone up ten times since the turn of the century.
Now, in fact, gold, as we all know, is the constant.
Like, you know, gold has been around...
You can't destroy gold.
And the gold that exists, you know, the little bit of gold I've got on my necklace or on my ring or whatever it is, that gold Has existed since before the solar system.
Not just since before the Earth, since before the solar system.
When those neutron stars collided and whatever.
Or when God created the Earth, depending on your views or whatever.
We'll come back to that one.
I don't know what I believe, James.
But in any case, I know that gold has been around since before the Earth.
Right.
Therefore, when you touch that little bit of gold that's around your neck or wherever, that is the closest you will ever come in your life to touching eternity.
Okay, because it's older than the Earth.
But diamonds are forever, not gold.
No, gold is older.
Gold is older and it's also rarer and it's also more durable.
You can destroy diamonds, you can't destroy gold.
I was joking about diamonds.
I think diamonds are a massive con.
I mean, you can make diamonds, can't you?
Oh man, you can buy fake diamonds for like, or not fake, you know, lab-grown ones for a tenth of the price.
Anyway, so, I thought that's quite a profound thought about gold and eternity, and you're belittling it with your humour.
Well, yeah, but you know what?
The reason I'm belittling it partly, apart from my humour, which I can't help, is that, look, if God created Earth, Created the world obviously gold can't predate the world earth because Your theory only works if you imagine that there are all these kind of swirling Planets and bits of space dust and that they all suddenly had an accident and whoops.
We've created we've created the what's it called the the universal common ancestor and and and it's a grown out of the primordial slime into blah, blah, blah.
And suddenly here we are now, you and me, and we're all descended from this thing that was created by a random accident invented by the Jesuits.
I'm going to misquote it, but in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and God said, let there be light.
and go lose your eye to.
Under that form or substance.
Yeah.
But yeah.
You know, that Gold and the Sun, that came, even in your, in the Biblical version of things, Gold and Light came before Man.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, look, we're quibbling over irrelevances here.
Because, like, I was picking up on your point that Gold predated the Earth, which it can't have done.
Well, it did.
Because I don't believe... No, because I don't believe... God created light before he created the earth.
I... yeah, OK.
But why is gold light?
Because there's the sun.
Gold and the sun.
Oh, this is dangerously close to sun worship.
Yeah.
Somebody asked me before... Can you ask Don what is... whether he's got a religious background?
I said, no, he's not.
He doesn't believe, does he?
Church of England.
Yeah, but you don't actually...
You don't believe in the big man do you?
Well I pray all the time and he helps me out sometimes.
Oh okay.
Brilliant.
But I'm never quite sure if I'm praying to God or to my guardian angel or to a higher power or something.
Well he created the guardian angel so obviously ultimately you're... Okay.
Anyway.
He's always looked after me and I you know I sang in a choir All through my childhood, and I love singing.
My attitude to religion is, even if God doesn't exist, you should still be religious, and religion has a very important role to play, because it defines a life.
You have religion and key offence, it gives a structure to your life.
You know, birth, confirmation, marriage, death, it gives you a way of doing things and it gives you a belief system and it's because religion's gone away and we're totally floundering and we've lost all our direction, everyone's squabbling with each other and we've replaced Christianity, which is a pretty good religion, we've replaced it with climate change and what's that stupid one, the racist one,
Intersectional racism and the NHS and all these stupid religions that just aren't as good.
The New Age as well, that seems to be the prevailing nonsense.
How is it in semi-normie world?
What's the view of what's going on now?
Where do you think we are?
Well, I think you're projecting semi-normism onto me.
Does everything I've said so far come across as semi-normie?
Well, in semi, yeah.
I mean, it's a trouter rather than a full-on...
Rather than what?
You don't know what a trouter is?
No, but I like it.
You don't know what a trouter is?
No.
You have to Google it.
Or look it up in the Urban Dictionary or something.
I'm Googling it now.
Do I read it out once I know what it is?
Someone who catches fishes for trout.
Oh, fuck you.
Right.
right it doesn't just not that's not the um that's not my definition of a trout oh uh this is an angler an angler okay let me look in let me look at school when you were in school and somebody said i've got a semi what would they mean uh the That you had a sort of halfway hard on?
Yes.
Well, a trancher is one of those.
That's what they're called.
Anyway, I don't know why we've got bogged down in this particular street.
I'm either weirdo-lite or normie-lite.
I suppose, look, where you're coming from.
Are you there?
Yes, I'm here.
What I was thinking is that, you see, in my Weltanschauung, I've got to slip that word in occasionally, it's one of my favourites.
In my Weltanschauung, people who are talking about, OK, so there's climate change, there's the transgenderism, there's being angry about men pretending to be boys, boys pretending to be girls, and boarding schools, and changing in changing rooms, and winning women's sport, ruining women's sport, And what are the other kinds?
These are all sort of designated libertarian stroke conservative talking points.
So if you read a designated right-wing newspaper like the Telegraph or the Mail, you will find the designated right-wing columnists are getting designatedly angry about Woke.
It's the thing.
But they're not talking about the bigger picture.
They're not talking about where there's... They're still talking about politics as if it can change everything.
That's kind of what I mean by... You're a sort of... You're in the Trouter stage.
You're between Normidom and... So, what I want to know is, what do you think... Here's the thing.
Like... If I am that, then I've been overlooked by it.
Because those guys in the Telegraph and, you know, the right-wing spokesperson, whatever, I'm not getting those gigs.
So if you think I'm that person... I would not accuse you of that, which is why I'm saying you're semi.
I mean, they're full, don't forget.
Oh, okay.
Well, so this is why I'm curious.
I think you're straddling the divide at the moment.
I'm just teasing gently out of you what you think.
What's your latest take on what is happening in the world and where we're going?
Okay.
So when Brexit happened, Yeah I was really really engaged in politics yeah you know and and I wrote those comic songs and I was just really really engaged in Brexit because I just thought it was a rare chance for us to take a step in the direction of a big step in the direction of smaller government and libertarianism and all that and I've obviously You know, the opportunity was squandered.
It was handled by people who didn't get it.
And we may as well have not have bothered.
But in that period since Covid, some people have got more engaged in politics and more engaged in what's going on.
And other people such as yourself have kind of gone in getting more engaged you've gone off down the paths that you've gone on to try and I remember you said this in our very first podcast I try to cleave to the truth and that expression cleave you know it's only clever people who would use the word old Englanders would use the word cleave but that I think that is your mission cleaving to the truth and it's one that I admire.
I've become Increasingly, I don't know why, I've become increasingly less engaged in all the current affairs.
I just do not follow the news at all.
I just think it almost doesn't matter who's the Prime Minister because He's just a figurehead anyway, he's not got any real power and whoever like I promise you as soon as Rishi Sunak gets beaten in the next general election he'll start saying all the libertarian things that he should have done while he had the gig.
You just know that's coming and in the same way that every lead and so I've in a funny kind of way I've just become less engaged with all the various narratives and I still Maintain my thing that I've said to you ever since I've known you, which is if we're going to fix the world, there are two zero patients.
When I say zero patient just in case I know you know what I mean but zero patient being the if you have a zombie film or a pandemic film the zero patient would be the Wuhan bat or the lab in China whatever it is the place where the virus first started and you have to get them here has to get to the virus and either kill the zero patient or the zero patients got the antidote and then he saves the world.
If there are two zero patients in our society it's our system of money and our system of tax.
And you design a society by the way you tax it, and while we're taxing everyone 50% of everything, and young workers have 50% of their money taken from them, and then the money they do get to keep is shit money anyway that loses its purchasing power.
Oh, coming back to that gold thing by the way, 1,500 quid now, 150 quid at the turn of the century, gold is the constant.
So people go, gold's gone up ten times.
No.
What's happened is sterling has lost 90% of its purchasing power since the turn of the century.
It's actually lost a third of its purchasing power just since Covid.
Since 2020.
A third.
One third!
That is a shocker.
It's nuts!
And why, while we have shit money, Nothing is going to change.
And shit money is inevitable while you have inequality and all the rest of it is inevitable while you have representative democracy and fiat money.
So zero patient one is to fix our system of money.
And I don't care if it's Bitcoin or gold or a combination of the two, but it has to be some kind of independent money that governments cannot create.
Because while a government has a power to create money at no cost to itself, Which is the case in every single Western country, it is inevitable that that body will grow disproportionately large.
Everyone else has to struggle to make money.
Governments can just print it.
Give them too much power.
The state is too large.
So that has always been my view, since I first started thinking about this stuff, and it remains my view.
And then you design a society by the way you tax it.
Now do we really want to penalise labour and productivity and all that stuff?
In my view, no.
There are other far simpler systems of tax and I'll bang on about them in Daylight Robbery.
So where I am in all of this James is all these arguments everyone is having are totally useless and totally redundant because nothing will change until we change our system of money and then our system of tax.
Everything else is just noise and there is no point engaging with it because unless you're like some kind of grifter who earns a living by being a commentator.
I don't mean a grifter but You know, a lot of them are grifters, but I guess we're grifters sitting here talking about everything, so I don't mean that, but unless being a commentator is somehow your livelihood, you've just got to live your life and be as happy as you can, and be with the people you love, and do things that give you satisfaction, because nothing is going to change until we fix our money and tax.
So that's where I am in the grand scheme of things.
Before I agree with your point totally, a hundred percent, and praise you Dom for your wisdom and insight, just a brief digression on that subject of Grifter.
It's very interesting how words get Yes.
By the enemy deliberately in order to manipulate and destroy the things, destroy the things they hate and manipulate public opinion and so on.
So in the beginning, what's the word?
It's the word.
Yeah.
Weaver circle round him thrice and close our eyes with holy dread for he on honeydew hath fed and drunk the milk of paradise.
I used to wonder why, I used to wonder why poets were so into themselves and why they consider themselves the unacknowledged legislators of the world and the romantics were particularly big on this.
And again, Baudelaire talks about the poet as the albatross, flying up high above the... He's a kind of sort of martyr figure, but he's also got this elevated vision.
He can see all the truth and stuff.
But actually, there's a reason why poets are kind of loved, feared, revered, while they get in girls' knickers and stuff.
And it is that words are... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God.
The Logos is everything and language is a manifestation of that.
But just to get back to the point about how the enemy captures words, look at the way the word investment, which used to be something where private individuals could put money on the stock market, or indeed put money into a business in order to grow it and create value, has become a euphemism for government spending.
And in the same way, Grifter, There was a, there was a movie.
So many words have been hijacked.
Racism has been hijacked.
Any kind of... Never meant anything anyway.
Well, okay, and, and, yeah, I'm sorry, go on, carry on.
But... Inflation is another one.
We can come to the commentaries but just just on the on the specifics of grifter.
Yeah, there was a movie called the grifters and it was the grifters in its old old sense of their sort of con men people who are deceiving and selling a particular line.
I've what here's this word used a lot now.
It's become it's quite an alternative meaning which is People who make their money by doing podcasts or by cutting out the middleman and appealing directly to audiences for their money, for patronage or whatever.
And I'm thinking, there's nothing dishonest about that.
that there's nothing okay there are people out there who I think are dishonest and are pushing an agenda in the guise of being independent free thinkers you know there's the there's that guy on YouTube who who was pushing the jabs and then suddenly has woken up amazingly just just recently only the other day to that maybe there are problems with the jab but I think that's
The word grifter doesn't apply to you and me I don't I don't sort of have a start and I think they found me out when I hear that word grifter it's just not it's just not for me a grifter you keep hearing this right wing grifter but for me a grifter is somebody And I know the word's been hijacked and yeah I remember that film it had John Cusack and Bennett Benning in it and somebody else I forget who.
I think it was quite boring.
It was kind of an okay film it was like yeah it was but but it there was a bit of a buzz around it but I just thought whatever but any case for me A grifter is somebody who comes along and says, society's unfair, we need to fix society, the climate's about to explode, climate change, climate change, climate change, give me a million pounds to build a climate change think tank and build a load of windmills.
Or, you know, society's racist, give me a million pounds to form an anti-racist thing, or society's whatever phobic, and give me a million pounds to start this phobic thing, and then they start feeding at the teat of the taxpayer to peddle this narrative that society's racist, transphobic, whatever narrative.
Those guys are grifters, the ones who are sucking on the teat of government.
Dom, there's a question that's been on my mind of late.
Do you agree with that?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Sorry, there's a question on my mind of late which you are the perfect person to answer.
I totally agree with you about the way that money is continually devalued by design, and fractional reserve banking is one of the most evil inventions in the world.
And yet, when you learn economics at school, as I did, You're taught that fractional reserve banking is kind of like one of the miracles.
It is a fact, it's there, and it's how the system works.
There's not much criticism of it built in, but fractional reserve banking clearly is conjuring money out of thin air, Creating the Cantillon effect where the creators of the money get early access and everyone else gets shafted.
he was irish he was irish french so if you're irish you can go cantillon and if you can't you go can't you sounds more educated yeah okay the cantillon effect effect where the creators of the money get get early access and everyone else gets shafted that's right isn't it um so all this stuff and and the the bible enjoins us not to engage in usury It warns us of the terrible things and we look at cultures.
And it tells us to use gold and silver.
Indeed.
Gold is God's.
I'm trying to remember the name of the guy.
I did a podcast with somebody Right up your street.
He was a Norwegian guy, I think.
He wrote a book called UNBAR.
I don't know, but I went on a Norwegian guy's podcast last week that you made an introduction.
Yeah, yeah, you did.
Okay, this guy is called Rune Ostgaard.
Is that whose podcast I went on?
No, you went on the other podcast.
You went on the two Vikings podcast.
Yes, that's right.
And they're great as well, but they turned me on to Rune Ostgaard.
And Rune Ostgaard came up with this.
He'd observed periods in history where sound money had enabled societies to flourish.
So, for example, the reason that our galleries, our art galleries, are chock full of Dutch masters from the 17th century, the reason that Dutch art dominated was because it coincided with a period of massive wealth In the Netherlands.
And the reason for that was that for that brief period, they had sound money.
And he was talking about the period around the era just before Harold Hardrada.
He was killed in 1066, wasn't he?
He was killed in 1066, wasn't he?
So before then, so early 11th century, there was a tradition in his part of Norway where if the king or the ruler started mucking around with the money there was a tradition in his part of Norway where if the king or the ruler started mucking around with the money and basically endangering the economy, every household had a duty to get onto their horse if they could afford one, get their sword and go
But my question to you is... We should all get on our horse and kill Andrew Bailey.
Well, let's not.
We can't talk about real people because then people get upset.
In case anyone wants to cancel me, that was exaggeration for the purpose of comedy.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that wasn't funny.
No, it wasn't funny.
It was a six in context.
What is the alternative to a world where people do not make profits on lending money?
You used to have tally sticks, for example, where you give people a loan, but what would they give you in return for that money you're giving them?
Is it goodwill, or are you going to get a share of their farmland that they buy, or whatever?
How does it work?
Well, you would have to pay interest.
And I know the Christianity doesn't like you.
They would call it usury.
Don, you've just gone and given exactly the answer that doesn't work.
You can have what's called full reserve banking and you can lend money out at interest.
You just can't have fractional reserve banking.
Let's not talk about fractional reserve banking.
I have to say, I'm not opposed to lending.
because lending accelerates investment.
But fractional reserve banking increases the money supply in a way that full reserve banking doesn't.
And if I put a list of prices of things going all the way back to 1970, and you would say the average salary has gone up 20 times since 1970, The average house has gone up 70 times.
So three and a half times as much as the average salary since 1970.
But a washing machine has only gone up four times since 1970.
And a dozen eggs has gone up about 10 times, but a car has gone up 35 times.
Now why has a washing machine only gone up 4 times when a car has gone up 35 times?
Because, you know, we've got better at making cars, we've got better at making washing machines, China exporting its deflation, improved productivity, all the rest of it.
You know, really, a washing machine should be cheaper than it was in 1970, but it's only gone up four times.
Well, but then you look at the fact that most of us, we buy eggs and we buy washing machines with cash.
So there's no debt in that economy.
Whereas when we buy a car, And similarly, we pay wages.
Most of the time, companies pay wages with cash.
They don't use debt to pay wages.
So wages have only gone up 20 times.
But then cars have gone 30, 40 and in some cases 50 times.
Why have cars gone up so much more?
Because there's no finite supply of cars and we've got better at making them.
And the answer is that there's debt in the car market.
Most people use finance to buy cars.
They do.
When you introduce debt into a market, you push prices up because you're introducing more money in that market than was previously there.
Same thing's happened with student loans.
And then you look at house prices which have gone up 70 times and are in my view the biggest contributor to the decline of the West because everyone's having smaller families because they can't afford smaller families and then the government goes oh we're not reproducing enough import a load of people from abroad and suddenly we destroy our own culture and that's all because of stupid house prices but but house prices are I've gone up 70 times, and that's because we use mortgages to buy houses.
So you introduce debt into the market, house prices inevitably go up, and then at the same time, on the other side, you have planning restrictions on what can get built.
So that puts a limit on supply.
So you limit supply on the one hand, and you fill that market with loads of debt.
It's inevitable that house prices go up.
And that's why house prices have gone up by so much more than anything else.
Yes.
Well, you've actually solved a mystery which has puzzled me for a while, which is that I drive really shitty cars.
I don't like having a car that looks too smart.
Nor do I. Because it just gets scratched.
Or whatever.
Yeah, and then you're pissed off.
Yeah, exactly.
You get upset.
So I don't hold any... I don't set any store by the kind of car I drive.
Although my kids do.
They feel really embarrassed.
I mean, back in the days when they were at their fancy schools, I used to have to park the car way away, several blocks away, because I was considered the embarrassing dad.
You know, everyone else had Range Rovers and stuff, and I had a shit car.
But anyway, I'd noticed driving past really modest houses that in the drive, they'd have things like Jags, Jaguars and stuff, or BMWs.
And I was thinking, how do these people with these modest houses, how can they afford to drive these cars?
And you make the point exactly, it's because they're buying them on HP.
Yeah.
Finance.
200 quid a month.
The deals you can get are incredible.
They're probably not as good as they were because of higher interest rates, but yeah.
I was driving a convertible Mercedes and it was costing me £160 a month for two years.
Brand new convertible Mercedes.
I mean, what the fuck?
I thought you said you didn't like expensive cars.
I didn't because then I moved to Brockley in South East London and I hated parking the car there because it was just, I just, every night I was going to go, somebody's going to trash it.
And then, so I, I let, it expired and so I let it go and I had no car for a bit because Uber was, this was 2016, Uber was really good for a while so I just used Uber and then I used to send Uber to go and pick my kids up from from ballet and whatever and and it just saved me, freed up so much time because I wasn't constantly carting my kids around and then so I loved it and then when my dad died 2020 I just took his car because it was just there so I've just got shitty old Mercedes A-Class.
We've got my late father-in-law's Nissan Micra.
And I love that car to bits because it runs on water pretty much.
I mean, it just does so many miles to the gallon.
And it's just, I mean, you can thrash him.
I mean, even that's got a tiny little engine.
You never have any problem finding a parking space.
You're not going to worry if the car gets dented or written off.
Do you remember Jim Tavare?
He used to do an act with a double bass back in the day, but he used to do a joke, he'd get out a piece of paper, he'd go, would the owner of a white Nissan Micra registration da da da da, please note that you've got a shit car.
I like my shit car.
I like my shit car and I'm proud.
Um, yes.
No, I was going to ask you something else.
Well, you were, you were trying to work out where I am in the, in my life, on my intellectual journey and how... No, no, no, Dom, Dom, we'll come back with that.
That's, that's, that's ahead.
We're on a digression at the moment.
Okay.
Do you know about the problem at the moment about cars?
is that it's really increasingly hard to get decent second-hand cars when the markets gone up massively and also the cars that are available Tend to be rubbish because cars are now so burdened with all the money and engineering and stuff and the electronics go into emissions reduction and they've had to tinker with the engines as a result.
They now have to have so that they said, okay.
Well, we're going to produce fewer emissions.
So we're going to make the engine smaller, but we're going to put turbos on and the turbo apparently completely messes everything up.
So Cars that used to work really well and went on forever now don't last very long and they're a bit rubbish.
I just despair, like I saw a Vauxhall, is it, would it be a Vauxhall Insignia?
like the sort of saloon Vauxhall car and a Jaguar, whatever parked side by side the other day.
And you could not tell the difference.
You just like a Jaguar.
And I remember the old Jags.
They were just so stylish.
And how can you not differentiate between a Vauxhall and a Jag?
I happen to quite like that Vauxhall, by the way.
And then last month I was in the States.
My mom lives in California, Palm Springs.
And we went, I was, there was an old car warehouse, an old car, what do you call it?
Shop, but sold old, classic old cars.
And it had like, you know, all those American old Ford Mustangs from the seventies and old Bentleys and old Rolls Royces and K-12s.
Cadillacs and even an old Mini it had and the cars were just so stylish and each one was unique and each one was a brilliant bit of design and then you look at cars today and they're just so bland and they're all grey or black and in America you get more white ones because it's white people want white cars where the weather's hot but even so just like it's like
You know, we wonder why we have bland architecture and why we have bland this and bland that, but God, we've got bland cars.
I blame the metric system.
Well, actually, sorry, I blame the metric system for bland architecture, and we can talk about that, but actually for cars, there's just so much regulation that the design ends up being controlled by the regulator rather than by the artist or the creator.
Yes, which is why, for example, cars have, and one of my bugbears is that Really poor rear view.
There's always sort of structure and a tiny window.
They've all got little videos where you watch it in a video.
I don't like those videos.
Is it baint natural?
Anyway, tell me why the metric system is responsible.
I've got my own theories.
I did a show about this in Edinburgh last year.
It's online and it's all about weights and measures and the history of weights and measures and as soon as you start looking at traditional weights and measures through the prism of a system If you start thinking it as a system you are doomed because it is not a system.
Traditional weights and measures are a process and people started using whatever weights and measures they use because they were practical and most of them were designed around the human body.
And so an inch would be a thumb pressed down.
Four inches would be the width of a hand.
Six inches would be a hand stretched out like that.
Twelve inches would be a foot, which is a size 10 shoe, a size 10 foot with a shoe on.
A yard would be the distance to your weight.
Two yards would be a fathom, which is six feet, which is your arm stretched out.
They're all designed around the human body.
A pound was how much you can carry comfortably in your hand.
A pint was, you know, enough to quench your thirst.
A pint used to be a pound of water.
They were all incredibly practical measurements for the world around us when we didn't have rulers and scales and electronic this, that and the other.
And they were all emerged, like if you look at the foot, it was pretty much the same foot measurement was used all the way around the world.
In different countries, different cultures, they all arrived at the foot.
And there's little differences between a German foot and an English foot, whatever, but they all pre-arrived.
And so what that is, is the effect of centuries of choice and practicality resulting in this measurement.
Okay?
And so they're just practical and sensible.
And because all these measurements are designed around the human body, and we find the human body attractive, and we find the proportions of the human body attractive, proportion is inherent to traditional weights and measures.
Okay?
So that is why they are better, because it is a process.
And just because, now what you have with metric, metric is a brilliantly simple
Design system it's just really good and it's all around the number 10 also the other thing you would have with traditional weights and measures they would all be divisible so you would have so you would have what's an example 16 if you have ounces and pounds they're just divisible 16 8 4 2 they're just divisible so you can quickly in a market whatever you can quickly divide up the numbers it's easy to calculate whereas everything now is based around the number 10
And and and decimals and because of computers, they made it even worse.
Now, what happened was in in France, in just in the lead up to the revolution.
Every area in France would have its own weights and measures, its own pound, its own its own yard, its own whatever, as they did in England.
And that is why you have regional diversity, because every little village, every town has its own system of weights and measures, and it's slightly different to, you know, Oxford is slightly different to what they use in Bicester, which is slightly different to what they use here, and so everywhere emerges slightly different.
It's wonderful.
It's diversity in action.
And leaders have always hated it.
They've always tried to impose statutory weights and measures across the whole country.
You look at every king in history, he's always, oh he's great, he's standardised the weights and measures.
The reason they're always trying to do that is so that they can tax people.
OK.
And what was happening in the French Revolution, because it was the French, everyone was totally bent and totally corrupt and everyone had their own little way, each town, each village had its own weights and measures and the weights and measures were changed and the system was a total shambles and it meant that all the tax collectors were on the making money and imposing this and cheating this and cheating that.
Instead of designing a system around the human body, the French, a couple of French scientists, decided they were going to design a system around the world itself.
And so these two scientists, they set off to measure the world.
So then it would be a universal system for everyone, instead of being around the human body.
And they set up to measure the distance from the North Pole to the equator.
Except the two scientists couldn't get there and they set out from Paris and one went north to Dunkirk and one went south to Barcelona and then they decided they were going to extrapolate it from there.
Right.
And then it emerged that the guy who'd gone to and they had these little measuring triangles that they used to use and the guy who went south to Barcelona Like, he just, he got arrested, he got accused of being a witch because he had this contraption, he got accused of being a tax collector, he had an absolute fucking nightmare of a time doing it for his two or three years.
And so he just made up everything.
He just made up the data.
He guessed it.
Okay.
If only they'd offed him.
All our problems would be over.
He guessed the data and then he only admitted it like 30 years later.
But anyway, he just measured it.
And so eventually this whole thing, they're going to calculate that.
So the meter is based on the distance from the equator to the North Pole.
And actually under the circumstances at the time, they did a pretty good job, but they were out.
By about a mile and a half.
So a metre is in itself a flawed measure.
But it is, I'm going to get this wrong, but it is one, whatever it is, oh yeah, one millionth, a metre is one millionth of the distance from the, from the thing.
But it's out, as I say, the measure is out by two kilometres.
So by the time you go down to a metre, it's out by, you know, one millimetre or something.
But anyway, it's stuck.
And then now they've changed it.
So it's no longer the thing.
Now it's like the distance a light can travel in a certain thing.
And they've just got it this fantastically Precise thing but it's just wrong a meter is based on a flawed measure But anyway, the meter is a good system because it's international and they've standardized it now and if one country's using like their examples there was a plane that crashed once upon a time because They filled it up One third person thought they were using litres and somebody else thought they were using gallons and then the plane didn't have enough fuel and it crashed.
So, you know, there are reasons, there are good reasons to have standard weights and measures, but it also means everything is the same everywhere.
Now, why does it make buildings ugly?
Because there is no sense of proportion built into the metric system.
None.
It's one centimetre, a hundred centimetres is a metre, and a thousand metres is a kilometre.
There is no sense of proportion.
A mile used to be a thousand paces.
Actually, a thousand two paces, because you measured it left, right, left.
That would be one pace.
That was what a mile was.
Mile, thousand.
And it's again, it's a natural measure.
It's a distance that most people can have ordinary fitness can run for without having to stop, you know.
Yeah.
Just briefly.
So metric is based on a fraud and and and it there's no built in beauty to it.
But where it is, is it's infinitely divisible and infinitely multipliable.
So it's from nanoscience and all that it has a an extreme practicality that you don't have with imperial measures because they're all based around the thing.
But then here's the weird thing.
A speed.
I'm gonna get this step wrong, but the light travels if you measure the speed of light In fact, it's like fantastically precise.
I can't got the figure here.
So I don't want to misquote it, but it's it's it's bizarre because it makes a mockery of the whole metric system.
So that's why that's that rant all about that.
So basically God invented invented.
Yes feet and and Satan invented.
Yes.
Natural law and positive law.
Positive law is man-made law.
Metric system is positive law.
Natural law, man-made law.
The system is designed around the body and God made man in his own image.
And it's not a system.
That's the thing.
But traditional weights and measures are based around the divine.
They are inherently divine.
I love that.
I'm so glad you went off on that particular... Were you going to mention this?
No, I had no intention.
I would have the stats better recall, but it's a year and a half since I did the show.
If you want to watch this, I put it on YouTube.
It's an hour long lecture.
Well, I'd like to see that.
But can I just say thank you for that?
I'm really glad that it came into your head.
By the way, I think I'm right in saying... Do you know how they measure an acre, traditionally?
Yes, an acre would be, well it's to do with furlongs and it's the distance that, how long you can pull up a plough for before you have to turn the, how long a plough can pull a plough for without having to turn around which is two hundred yards basically.
Oh, okay.
I thought an acre was the amount that a horse could plough in one day, but it sounds like... Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Oh, is it?
Oh, is it?
It's a ploughable amount.
There's an area... It's just really practical.
It's a really simple measure built around a really simple thing.
And Irish acres are different because all the people who colonised Ireland Irish acres are bigger, and the reason after Cromwell, Cromwell couldn't pay his troops, so he paid them in Irish land, and they fiddled the measure of an acre, so they all got more land, so that's why Irish acres are bigger than English acres.
Oh, is that right?
I once went hunting in the New Forest, and there was an area of ground that we covered.
I'm pretty sure there's a story about it having been A priest of some kind was given as much land as he could crawl around on his hands and knees in a day!
And he covered quite a lot!
I mean, you would, wouldn't you?
Yeah!
That's funny by the way we kind of have that that thing but that's why that measure didn't stick because it was an impractical measure whereas the acre amount amount I think it I think it was a plow with two oxen can can do in a day was a was a with an acre I can't remember because as I say it's a while since I did the show we're gonna have to regain these skills you know don't because when it all kicks off I don't know about you.
Here's the irony of the metric system.
Even though nominally we use metric, and you look at the rest of the world, everyone has gone back to using imperial weights, ancient traditional weights and measures, just by a different name.
So, for example, everyone thinks in 30 centimetre distances.
You just think in a 30 centimetre distance, which is a foot.
And a metre is pretty much a yard.
And, you know, the half kilo measures, it's just a really common measure.
And the half litre, which is effectively a pint, you end up, they are inevitable because they are natural.
And you can call them by a different name and you can regulate metric, metric, metric.
But you will lose because you are not natural.
God will win, the devil will lose.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this makes total sense.
So, on the subject of regaining traditional agricultural skills and such like, do you have any practical skills at all?
I don't.
No, I wish I was good at gardening.
The only thing I'm good at is keeping chickens, and that's because they're really easy to keep.
But I wish I was good at gardening.
You can keep chickens.
That's great!
Oh yeah, I love it.
I haven't got them at the moment but I used to get one of those Eggloos and keep chickens.
I love them.
Do they... Could you have...
Chickens, without being reliant on seed brought from the seed shop, can they just eat worms in your garden?
Yeah, you could.
And then the eggs that you would get would be much richer in Omega-3 and they would have much less Omega-6.
And I'm sure you and your viewers know about the importance of getting your Omega-3 and your Omega-6.
We have too much Omega-6.
Because of stupid seed oils.
But yeah, you could, you could, like, maybe sprinkle a bit of corn.
But yeah, chickens can find enough and fend for themselves.
You just throw out old food, they'll eat anything.
The problem is you throw out old food and you get rats.
So it's just easier to feed them grain.
But they'll just eat grass, they'll eat anything.
They'll just spend their whole day foraging for food.
The problem in London is there's so many foxes, that the foxes get them, so you can't really let them out of the rut.
You need a hunt.
You absolutely need several hunts in London.
Do you know that since the Tony Blair's hunting ban, which he introduced basically because he was bribed by some American International Fund for Animal Welfare or something like that, I think, that he just got given a massive backhander and so he felt he had to do it.
It's just a stupid need to correct the ways of doing things that have existed for thousands of years as well.
The rural fox population has plummeted.
And the urban fox population has risen.
And they're so ill.
You look at them, they're so mangy.
When you'd see an animal in the wild, they're always, they'd look magnificent.
Because if they're not at their absolute peak, they die.
That's why animals in the wild are so good.
And the ones in London, they're just mangy and sick and ill and bad.
It's just a matter of time before some disease comes from them to humans.
And then everyone will go, how did we let them in?
The foxes I see in the country are just huge.
They look magnificent and you kind of think you're a great quarry, you know, you're going to get away and they always do the healthy ones.
I mean, I've never seen one get got because the deal is that if you're a fit healthy Fox, you're going to easily outrun and outwit the the hounds.
I'm going back to the metric thing.
Yeah.
Was it Napoleon's fault?
There's some really funny Napoleon quotes.
Because the other thing is that every country that's gone to metric has always gone to metric.
The only country that hasn't done it, they've always gone to metric after some kind of revolution or some kind of new leadership, some kind of overthrow.
So Napoleon imposed the new metric system and then he hated it and he went back on it.
Did he?
Yeah, he went back.
But then when France had his second...
Because France had another revolution in 1848.
Yeah, then they went back to metric again.
But meanwhile, Belgium and Holland and other countries had all gone to metric.
And the only country that's taken the metric system without a revolution is us.
And we've just done it in the most stupid, hypocritical way.
And the only countries in the world with national cultures strong enough to resist the onslaught of metric are the United States, Liberia and Myanmar.
Go me and Marth!
Yeah, go me and... let's hear it for the Liberians!
Yeah.
So, who introduced the metric into... was it Ted Heath?
I think so.
Wasn't it 71?
But they've kind of been trying to do it for ages and they never quite... they never quite get away with it.
Do you know what?
Have you ever read the Trollope's Palace novels?
No, we're just very briefly.
He's got to to sort of novel novel sequences.
I mean, this is Napoleon on metric.
Sorry.
Nothing is more contrary to the organization of the mind of the memory and of the amount.
Wait a minute.
What so this was So, after they measured it, and this is in 1794, Napoleon imposed it, and he said, conquests will come and go, but this work will endure.
That's what he said in 1794.
Then in 1812, he pulled the plug on it, because nobody used it, and police had to go into markets and smash up scales, as happened with the metric martyrs here.
But then when he was writing his memoirs, Napoleon said about the metric system, nothing is more contrary to the organization of the mind, of the memory, and of the imagination.
It's just tormenting the people with trivia.
It will doom France to generations of difficulty.
It was not enough for them, by them he means the people who imposed it, to make 40 million people happy.
They wanted to sign up the whole universe.
And there, I think, in a nutshell, they wanted to sign up the whole universe.
It's that mentality, you know, it's the mentality of the blob that wants to impose everything, but it's also the mentality of the people that you're railing against that you think are trying to run things and design things and impose things.
But it's right there in the metric system.
It's the weights and measures that you use of, you know, it's not quite up there with tax and money but it's sort of up there because it defines how you see the world.
Weights and measures define the world around us and that's why they want their fucking metric system.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, do you know what?
I think this might be an appropriate moment for you to, can you play your Illuminati song?
I can.
Because that's the people who are behind all this.
I mean, they funded... You realise that none of the wars we've had...
Organic they didn't sort of spring from the people's desire for a war you know no one sitting at their home and and Smoking that pipe thinking.
Yeah, what you need now is a war with France I'm sitting here thinking I keep reading how we're headed into a war And I'm sure you you're more on the pulse of this than I am because I don't really know what's going on But I mean I was talking to these Ukrainians and Croatians the other day, and they were all just saying we're going into a war and
It was just so obvious to them and I don't know if we are or if we aren't you probably think we are but I'm just I'm one of these people that you hear about before every war that's just sitting there thinking we can't possibly be going into war nobody would be that stupid but but but I think I'm about to be proved wrong.
Well they use the same the same techniques so they've been working okay so so currently they The powers that be, the evil rulers of the world, are itching for war between the West and Russia.
So Putin has long since been sold to us as the new Hitler, Putler.
The stories that we get given in the West play into this.
So you've got the Navalny thing.
I mean, Navalny was CIA through and through.
He was virtually unknown in Russia.
It's only in the West that we've been encouraged to think that Navalny was this great hero and freedom fighter.
You've had the Ukrainian flags.
I mean, I don't know whether you've ever been to the country, but you can't go through an English rural village without seeing at least one house with this blue and yellow flag.
Draped on the side of it, or even a church flying the blue and yellow flag, and you're thinking, hang on a second, am I living in England, where we have the cross of St George, or Ukraine, where indeed they do have a blue and yellow flag?
And why Ukraine and not, say, Yemen?
You know, the war's going on all around the world, why are we...
Anyway, we are being psyoped into this thing, and I'll give you an example of how unnatural it is.
I was looking at my wife's copy of the Telegraph yesterday, and I saw my old mucker, Dan Hannan, with whom I've been grouse shooting, you know, I used to sort of thought we, well, Brexit.
You know, you and I, In the Brexit era, we thought we were fighting for liberty, freedom, smaller government, lower taxes, independence, sovereignty, all these hurrah things.
We would have been at events where Daniel Hannan was cheering on our cause.
I turn into my wife's copy of quoting Shakespeare endlessly, even though he seems not to realise that Shakespeare didn't actually exist.
He wasn't the author of the plays.
The man from Stratford didn't write them.
In fact, the fact that Dan Hannan believes that he did just goes to everything that one knows about Dan Hannan.
All you need to know to understand his mindset.
So, he writes his Sunday... I'm not going to get in that one.
I'm not going there.
His Sunday column is on... Sorry, Lord Hanlon, as we must now learn to call him with titters.
Oh, my light is flashing.
Let me just change my flashing light.
When you've done on Lord Hannon, when you've done on Lord Hannon, let me, I've got my stats about the world and Imperial that I can give you now.
Oh great, great, okay.
So, um, he's writing this piece saying...
Putin is so evil, so manifestly evil, that the world cannot be safe until this man is now booted out of office, or taken out, or whatever, and that Russia is never allowed to elect such a leader again, and this and that.
And I'm reading this horseshit, and of course he massively inflates the Russian casualties and ignores the number of...
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian boys, mainly, have been slaughtered in the meat grinder because the West refused to... I mean, as he said in his Tucker Carlson interview, that the Russians tried to have a sort of negotiated settlement which would acknowledge Ukraine's role as a buffer state and not to be part of NATO, etc, etc.
Boris Johnson went out and told Puppet Zelensky that this was not on, they had to refuse this deal.
So like hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian boys would still be alive today if it hadn't been for the intransigence of the Western deep state and stuff.
And here is now Dan Hannan.
Bloviating about the need for this ongoing war with with Putin.
And this is what this is what all the kind of the designated right-wing colonists are doing in newspapers and I put out this thing on Twitter saying does anyone you know, here should be the first rule armchair.
Armchair generals pushing for war should be the first to the front when it all kicks off.
Everyone agree with me.
So I'm wondering, I think the populace is united in a desire not to be dragged into a pointless war with Putin and yet I think it will happen because that's how they work.
um the the the rulers of the darkness as well that war is their business model or one of them which one of the main ones anyway um so you the the none of it will be possible under a fiat standard but anyway uh sorry it's only possible because of fiat money yes and and i don't think anyone wants war and um the let me let me just i'm just going to change the subject because this is one of those where we could
i mean you could say the same about government ministers when they impose new regulations and they lose shit loads of money they should be personally accountable for the money they lose and for the failures of their schemes and then we might have rather rather more caution in imposing new government directives but anyway let me let me just change the subject the circumference of the earth
So, if you go around the poles, is 12, remember one of the magic numbers, to the power of 5 English miles.
12 by 12 by 12 by 12 by 12.
And similarly, light travels at 1 foot per nanosecond.
Exactly.
But now they've defined the meter it's now it's the meter is the distance traveled by light in a vacuum in one divided by two hundred and ninety nine thousand seven hundred and ninety two four thousand Uh, 58 seconds.
So they've just got this fantastically precise, stupid number, whereas light travels at one foot per nanosecond.
So even for things like light and nano stuff, traditional weights and measures have more relevance to the world around us than metric.
Although, how did they invent the nanosecond?
I don't know.
Anyway, it was just one of those little things, but We've got metric, we have to live by it, but as I say, traditional measures will just come through because they're more practical.
Before you play your Illuminati song...
Can you tell me what's the cut between your hand?
Oh yeah, I noticed that.
I don't know.
I must have cut it yesterday and I just noticed and I was doing that like that and then I noticed there was blood all over my hand.
I tell you what, I must have cut it yesterday because I noticed it this morning and then before this interview I went for a run and I was running, I had my keys in my key ring, you know, while I was running, my front door keys, and I must have just opened it up and not noticed and that's why it was bleeding everywhere.
But I'm okay.
All the vampires watching, their pupils will have dilated as they saw it.
I know.
Well, it's a code, James.
It's an illuminati code.
Is it?
That's a good way of introducing the new song.
As you know, I write comic songs and I have all my financial stuff and I get very interested in things like weights and measures and money, but at the end of the day, all I want to do is write and perform comic songs and I'm on a mission now to just I'm doing a tour in March and April.
I've got dates in London, Hampshire, Surrey, Essex, Somerset.
for myself to just take these songs to a bigger audience and like the brexit song i wrote did very well anyway so with all i'm doing a tour in march and april um i've got dates in in in london hampshire surrey essex somerset um it's a mini tour just to see if there's any appetite for it but i know do you remember when i came and played my songs at one of your shows once upon a time Yeah.
The audience absolutely loved them.
They do!
This is why I asked you to come on the show because it's on brand with what you people are doing, with what you and your crowd like.
So I'd love any listeners to come to the show and hopefully you'll put like coming in the description.
But here's one song that I've just written and we've made the video and I thought we'd play it now and then we'll talk about some of the issues raised.
I dream of a better future for me and my family I dream of a better future Though mainly me.
I'll scheme with the rich and powerful.
Life would be so easy.
I wanna be in the Illuminati.
How do you get into the club?
I want an invite to an Epstein party.
Bet it's even better than the pub.
I want to formulate the New World Order and join the 0.1%.
I really want to be a Duke or Lord or Baron in a One World Government.
They're known to be prone to paedophilia.
Their symbol's a triangle with an eye.
And with Satan they're familiar thirteen pure blood lines.
Yikes!
How they like to harvest adrenaline and inject the blood of juveniles.
It is rumoured they are aliens, some form of reptile.
Yes, they are blessed.
Such success is why some think they're wizards.
But no, that's not so.
Don't you know they are shape-shifting lizards?
I'll sell my soul to the Illuminati for lots of glory, wealth and fame.
To be a Rothschild or DuPont or Barclay, I'll do anything, I have no shame.
How do you get in the Illuminati?
Just like Madonna and Will Smith.
Barack Obama, Angelina Jolie, I applied and they replied as if.
I want to stop you all from reproducing, impose population control.
I'll claim that human numbers need reducing, so Bill Gates can vaccinate the proles.
I want to be in the same gang as Beyonce, with secret codes and hieroglyphs.
I want to go to Davos with the nonces, sacrifice some babies with Sam Smith.
I want to operate the banking system, own all the assets and the land.
I want to snigger while the plebs eat insects, be in the Build-A-Bug group and...
Hang out with former Nazis!
Worship the Prince of Darkness!
Control the Tory Party!
write songs with Paul McCartney be an Illuminati man Dom, that was absolutely that was absolutely fantastic.
I've got to ask you first, where was the video filmed?
Near my mum's house in Palm Springs in California, in the mountains.
Oh, it was in California!
I suppose it's kind of appropriate.
I bet there were lots of Illuminati there.
There must be.
Loads.
Yeah, and we just shot it on my iPhone.
It's really, really good.
It's really good.
Are... Just a couple of... Actually, only one quibble.
Are the Barclays one of these satanic bloodlines?
Do you know?
No, they're not.
But I couldn't find... I needed something to have that arty, artly sound.
And Barclay was like the poshest name that I could find that sounded so... You absolutely nailed it.
The DuPont and the Rothschilds, but not the Barclays.
The DuPont and the Rothschilds are Definitely the Bloodlines.
I guess because I was scouring my memory of Springmire, who has written the book on this, and he names the families, and I remember most of them, and yeah, Barclay isn't in there.
No, but it sounds like... DuPont is a good one.
DuPont is a good one, but you know each of these, each of the Satanic Bloodline families has a special area of evil, and do you know what the DuPont family's special P.V.C.
Oh no!
So P.V.C.
windows.
The fact that every house has sort of two dozen smoke alarms.
The fact that no house has nice windows anymore.
No.
That's a new problem.
I didn't realise.
Like this house has got the most horrible P.V.C.
windows.
I didn't realise that was an Illuminati thing.
Yeah.
Thanks Mr. DuPont.
Thanks for your contribution for making the world a better place.
But Don, that is fantastic and it's going to, I have to say, it's going to boost your credibility with us tinfoil hat lunatics.
Just no end.
Tell me about the song.
Tell me what inspired it.
Well, I wrote another one all about conspiracy theories called It's All True and I was quite pleased with that one and I thought, I have to say, it's a good song and I thought it would go viral but what it did is it pissed off I thought there's kind of two sets, there's kind of right-wing conspiracy theorists and left-wing conspiracy theorists.
Oh really?
Well the left-wing conspiracy theories are things like Brexit was fixed, that kind of stuff.
Oh that's a normie conspiracy theory because that engages with the political process as if it were real.
Okay well fair enough, I mean we're using different words to describe the same thing.
yeah but but and so and and I just find there's something I find really funny about shape-shifting lizards they're just It's always made me laugh.
One of my favourite films is They Live, and obviously everyone in Position of Power is some kind of alien lizard thing, and it's just such a good explanation for everything, but there's something
Intrinsically, I've always thought it's a matter of being in the right club But I've just always thought there was something intrinsically funny about it And it's so I wrote the conspiracy one and then the Illuminati one like I want to be in the Illuminati I literally if I have to use the metric system and Use fiat money and pay lots of taxes and it will give me sellout shows at Hammersmith Apollo I'll take the fucking trade Yeah, you say that.
Maybe I wouldn't.
I don't know.
Yeah, you wouldn't.
I'll tell you why.
If it would give me a West End run and a little run on Broadway.
You get sort of little glimpses of ...of the true nature of the world that they inhabit, these celebrities.
And you realise they have no autonomy.
They're often sort of MK, ultra-damaged, mind-controlled.
They have to participate in humiliation rituals.
They have to, well obviously they have to be sexually abused children, that's part of the deal, I mean you don't want to do that, do you?
Well, I, not particularly no, but my friend Dominic, I won't say his surname, but he's a He writes for a lot of well-known comedians and he mixes in those circles and he always says to me the reason you haven't made it big is you're not narcissistic enough and you're not prepared to trample over other people.
So I think I'm sufficiently narcissistic but I'm maybe not prepared to trample over other people.
To get into the club you have to make, I mean Isaac Cappy got killed for saying this, In order to join the club, you have to make your pact with the devil.
You have to become a made man.
If it gets me a run in the West End and a run on Broadway, I will consider a deal.
I'm joking, James.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's like... It's Dr Fastus.
It's always Dr Fastus.
Well, it is.
How good a story is that?
It's a very good story and the take home from Dr Faustus is how little he actually gets in return for selling his soul.
I know.
I don't think he even sleeps with Helen of Troy.
He just sort of has a sort of decorative feature in his mind palace.
I remember we did that as a school play when I was nine years old.
Maybe ten.
And just watching that, and the Seven Deadly Sins, and the guy who played Faustus was the same age as me, so he would have been nine or ten.
Now, I don't know if kids in schools are doing Dr Faustus as their school play when they're nine, but they, you know, that, that is where we're going wrong.
I bet he nailed that iambic pentameter.
I'm sure it was terrible, but it doesn't matter.
and it's like we need this is you know with the the the set texts like that you you need we need to they need to be part of our mentality well there was um i was just watching one day Have you seen it?
The Netflix series, David Nicholls.
Have they turned it into a series?
Yeah, yeah.
It's very good.
Oh, is it?
I love that book.
There's a scene from, I suppose, the mid 90s.
It's apparently better than the film, which wasn't so good, apparently.
But I haven't read the book or seen the film.
The two leads are very good.
In fact, all the characters are very good.
But she's a, as you remember, she's a teacher at a school.
And they put on, you know, it's a state school, and they put on a production of Oliver.
And it's really quite good.
And you just can't imagine any state school now, except one of those sort of elite super academies where they're selective, putting on even a Lionel Bart musical anymore.
It would be considered Nobody studies literature in full.
Nobody reads a full novel anymore, unless it's a really short one, like of Mice and Men, which seems to be the standard.
Nobody reads a full play anymore.
They just study bits of it.
Anyway, I love your Illuminati video.
I hope it goes viral.
I hope Alex Jones... Oh, it should do!
There's another guy, an American guy, who does songs in a similar vein.
He plays them on his piano.
I don't know whether you've seen him.
I haven't.
I write the lyrics, I don't write the music.
I'm not a good musician.
I wish I was a better musician.
I have to say, I think it pays off, that production.
I like the, you know, it's quite high-end, the way you've done it.
Yeah, I mean, me and the musician went into a studio and we spent a day recording it.
So how did you did he come out to California with you?
No, we recorded the song and then then I took the song on my phone and I just played it off my phone while and I sing along to it.
And we'll make the video.
So, Dom, here you are.
You're familiar with so much of the iconography of them.
The triangle and the single eye and stuff and the names.
Do you believe that they are running the world?
And do you believe that they answer to Satan?
Um...
Yes and no.
Can I be can I be really like my my worldview James is is I come at it at a positive law natural law thing there's a natural law and the man-made law and I know you hate it but I think so much of where we are is because of systems that because of career risk or whatever Or just the nature of the system.
Nobody's changed the system, but a lot of the time the system is there because nobody's changed it.
I'm not and there's too much vested interest in keeping it going.
I'm not sure that it was designed.
Of course.
It was designed to persecute like, you know, Kings persecuted serfs.
I'm writing something about the Peasants' Revolt.
There were sumptuary laws.
Everyone was wiped out in the Black Death and suddenly there was a shortage of labour.
So serfs were able to start charging for their labour.
And suddenly serfs were handling coin for the very first time.
And what's the very first thing they did?
They started imposing poll taxes!
And so they kept them down, if they couldn't keep them down, and then they had what were called Sumptuary Laws, which, like, literally said, if you are a serf, these are the clothes you can wear, and this is the food you can eat, and you can't eat the same food that we eat.
And, um... It's great, isn't it?
Was it?
It's great.
They're so sort of... I guess... They're so shameless in their... Okay, I'm gonna... I'll probably wake up tomorrow and think differently, but I'm gonna say, you're right.
You're right, James, about everything.
Do you know about the...
I still...
I still...
A lot of it is accidental, but yeah.
I share your fascination with the notion that there are these lizard people.
But that is also part of the psyop.
I mean, in as much as we are encouraged to think that there are these aliens who come from this outer space that you apparently believe in.
It doesn't exist, by the way.
But the purpose of these aliens is a bit like the purpose of the notion that there is this space thing.
By the way, Star Trek, for example, is written by a Satanist.
Gene Roddenberry was a Towards the end of his life he gave an interview and he was asked who his big influence was and he said Satan.
Satan's been great to me.
Satan taught me how to lie to my wife.
The purpose of Star Wars was to prepare us for one world government but also to introduce us to the idea that there was this thing called space and that If you accept the concept... Another thing was multiculturalism and it was... Yeah, oh totally.
I mean many evil ideas were introduced.
But if you accept the notion that we are just one planet among many and that there is life out there, it diminishes the...
It diminishes the notion that God created us and that we are special, because if we're just one species among many spread out among the different galaxies, well, what's the big deal?
We're just nothing.
We are just specks in eternity.
Anyway, they're not aliens, these people.
But they are.
Have you, are you familiar with the people, of course you've had a religious, you know, in a C of E education like me, you went to one of those private schools where you had to, and you sang over the choir and stuff.
It was just, it became optional when I was, when we went, after the age of 12 chapel became optional, but I carried on going because I liked singing.
So, do you remember when you studied Jacob and Esau?
Mm-hmm.
And you remember that... Who's the eldest son?
Esau was the eldest son.
Yeah.
And he was ginger.
Yeah.
And this was the first persecution of ginger people.
And he came back from his... He'd been working in the field.
Yeah.
And he came back from the field and he was really tired.
And he wanted a bowl of soup.
Yeah, and Jacob said I will give you a bowl of soup in exchange for your firstborn status.
Yeah, and Esau took the deal and so did Jacob become the father of the Israelites.
Yeah, and I think that that story is foundational to the Jewish mentality because because Jacob was probably a better father of the Chosen People than Esau would have been, because he was a more competent individual.
And he manipulated Esau, he sort of tricked Esau, because he knew Esau was a bit thick.
And one version of that story I've heard is that Esau, the Neanderthal gene, was much stronger in those days.
We all had much more Neanderthal-ness than we do now, for obvious reasons.
Because it's just been reproduced out.
And one of the theories I've heard from the descriptions thing is that that Esau was much more Neanderthal than Jacob was.
But so that's one version of it.
But you're going to give me the the the difference.
Yeah, we're working around to be we've got slightly in the woods there because because of course the story is quite complicated.
I remember I remember reading that story at the time and and studying it and thinking He's not very nice, Jacob.
No, it's horrible!
It's a bit unfair, tricking his poor brother, who's probably a perfectly OK bloke and, yeah, nasty piece of work.
I want you to write a book, once upon a time.
called and but I need I need to I needed to write it sorry that's what I'm gonna have to go uh but but I'm gonna have to go James because my girlfriend's outside um but okay but the I wanted to write a book just let me just text it oh fuck's sake yeah wait outside bitch yeah I'm working yeah One minute.
I'm just going to stick to one minute.
Yeah, I wanted to write a book all about the Jewish mentality, but I needed to write... I wanted to call it Think Like a Jew, but I needed to co-write it with a Jewish person.
My grandad was Jewish, but the rest of me is not, and I'm not Jewish by a thing.
No, you're not technically Jewish.
But the disproportionate success of the Jewish people I find fascinating.
A lot of it's to do with higher IQ, but you'll probably think it's an Illuminati thing.
James, I'm going to have to go, so I'm not going to...
In your wisdom.
Spoilers, I'm just going to explain very, very briefly.
God hated Esau because Esau did what God strictly forbade, which is that he bred with the Moloch-worshipping tribes, the Canaanites and stuff.
There are two people.
There's the seed of Adam and the seed of the serpent.
And the seed of the serpent are the people who've run the world, and that's where the lizard things come from.
So they've always been the serpent people.
They sacrifice children.
They are into adrenochrome.
The people who run the world are basically the seed of the serpent.
That's the short version.
Dominic, you go and...
Yeah.
Deal with your bird.
Okay.
There are two different versions of that story, and it's quite interesting, the different interpretations.
But yeah, she's just texted me, she's 30 seconds away, that's how pre-emptive she is.
She doesn't even text me when she's outside, she texts me when she's at the lights.
What's that woman thinking?
The lights round the corner.
She doesn't want to wait a second.
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