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Dom and Chris Watterson, aka, I always think of you as the Sheep Farm Boys.
Can I just say, I'm a fan.
I love the Sheep Farm Podcast.
You've been asked about this before, that theme tune.
How did you get that lovely theme music?
That's my, uh, my son, Sebastian.
He, um, he does, he makes his own music.
And by chance, we just started doing it, and he sent it to me, and I just sent it to Dom, and literally, it was the first one, he just put it straight on there.
And it's been on there ever since.
But Chris, you, you look too young to, uh, maybe it's because you're dressed like a kind of go-a-raver.
You, you look too young to be having a son capable of making, making such beautiful music.
Well, I had him when I was 21, and he's 29 now, and I'm 50.
This year, I've just gone 50.
Oh!
So, is that something you'd recommend?
I mean, obviously it's too late now, I'm a bit old for it, but is having a child young something you'd recommend?
Well, yeah, I've done both.
I had him when I was 21 and I've got a five-year-old, so I'm the only person I know who's done that.
But it's great, it's great because… I did it as well.
Yeah, Dom did it as well.
Really?
Did you?
You just can't keep your pecker away, can you?
You got in there early.
You're just irresponsible.
Irresponsible and then responsible as you get older.
Yeah.
But it's fantastic isn't it?
I don't regret at all any way of having either.
It's just a different experience.
So I first discovered the sheep farm because somebody had recommended the thing you did with Jerry Marzynski.
Oh yeah.
And I'd like to thank you for that because I've had A better response, I think, to my podcast with Gerry Marzinski than almost any other, just because it's… It's a real mind blower, isn't it?
I mean, it was one of the things that sort of one of the staging posts on my journey to to sort of proper Christianity as opposed to cultural Christianity, where I suddenly realized these demons and stuff that you that Jesus, for example, was casting out of the possessed.
They're real.
They're not they're not mental illness.
So first of all, how did you discover Jerry Marzynski?
During 2020, or early 2020, I was watching something late on, on a channel called, uh, ConspiracyRUs it's called, on YouTube.
And it's a crap name, but it's a fantastic channel, if anyone wants to go look at it.
It's a bit rude, it's not that bad of a name.
Well, it's just, it is what it says, isn't it?
It's nothing special, right?
It's a fantastic channel, and the guy puts things over really well, and he had this short video on about mind control, and he inserted this video of Gerry Mazinski in it, and he had a They Live video attached with it as well.
And so, all three of them just freaked me out, so I had to watch their live again.
And I watched that, that night, and I didn't sleep very well that night, to be fair, because what Gerry was saying was what we'd probably all thought of in the back of his mind, why are these people talking to themselves?
Who are they talking to?
Who are they having this conversation with?
Because when we think about our existence as humans, We don't belong here, really.
We're the ones that make a mess of everything.
And so where do we come from?
That opened up a bigger conversation in my head, that maybe there are people outside this realm that are controlling other people, or entities that are controlling other people.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I don't know how much we should... So I contacted him.
I don't think I answered the question there.
So I contacted Jerry, and Jerry's a very open guy like you know, James, and he just contacted me straight away back and said, yeah, let's fight these demons.
As Jerry says, as Jerry does.
Yeah, okay, spoiler alert, but that's basically the deal.
So Jerry Marcinski is a psychotherapist from Arizona who's worked in high security hospitals and prisons dealing with paranoid schizophrenics.
And he asked them about the voices in their heads, which you're not supposed to do, and Gerry's conclusion, and it led him to treat these people much more successfully than conventional psychiatrists who just prefer to use chemical koshers, he discovered that the voices are not internal, they are external, and they come from demons.
Yes.
You have to take my word for it, or listen to the podcast, either on The Sheep Farm or on Deling Pod or both, but Gerry Marzinski, he's amazing.
What makes it compelling, James, is the fact that he comes from a total clinical perspective of it.
I wouldn't say naïve is the wrong word, because he's not naïve, but he came from a clinical perspective and he had his own realisation and epiphany.
During the episodes he was sort of recording and and the people who were interviewing he couldn't work out that these people were telling him that these voices were talking to him could he and That's what makes it compelling My favorite story is the one where the demons told the man Where to find the weed farm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Could do with a few of them.
They don't always act against your interest, do they?
No.
He was saying he could sell it to buy more crack, I think, wasn't it?
To get him more trouble.
Actually, that's true.
So even when the demons seem to be your friends, actually, because they are demons, they're not cruel.
They're playing jokes on you, they're playing tricks on you.
That's the podcast, if anyone, when I eventually tell people we do a podcast, I try and direct them towards the Majinsky one, rather than the conspiratorial stuff, just because I think anyone, if you don't find that interesting, there's, um, I don't understand how you couldn't find it interesting.
Yeah.
I suppose you're better known
For your deep dives into the backgrounds of all sorts of people ranging from Michael Gove, my old university mate, and Boris, as I hate calling him, I prefer to refer to him as Johnson these days, also a university friend of mine, to people like George Orwell.
You've probably been wanting to ask me stuff about...
My involvement with these people, so feel free at any point to, because this is a kind of two-way street.
Yeah, well how did it, I mean your epiphany and your awakening, I hate the words then, but realisation more than anything and how does that make you feel knowing you were so close to these type of people, that you weren't actually in that club if you like?
Yeah, it makes me feel mystified and it's I find it endlessly fascinating going back into my past and looking out for threads, for clues that I didn't notice at the time but that we know with my with my new awareness I should be capable of recognizing and the short answer is I don't think.
They seem like normal people, just like me.
It's like, when you're at university, unless you've been... I noticed that the Etonians were different.
All the kids who'd been to, you know, my first year at Oxford, you come up and you're surrounded by all this splendor.
I mean, you know, if you're in a college like I was in, Christchurch, founded by Cardinal Wolsey and then Henry VIII.
13 Viceroys of India, 11 Prime Ministers.
It can't help but suck you into that, can it?
It can't help.
There's no way.
I don't think anybody would be not, you know, impressed or whatever by all that grandeur.
Well, you've got this sort of weird mix of feelings.
On the one hand, you feel this is just like, wow, how can I be part of this?
And another part of you thinks, well, I passed my oxbridge exams and I got accepted.
So I mean, yeah, I deserve it way and I'm gonna I'm gonna join the establishment and I thought the establishment Was it was a good thing?
I thought that That there ought to be that if you're gonna run a country and and and At the time I thought, well, a country needs running, you know, otherwise you'd have anarchy.
Then surely it's better that it should be run by the brightest and the best.
And I thought I was one of the brightest and best because obviously I had a sort of high IQ and quick processing speed and I was good at reading lots of books and saying clever things about them.
What I didn't realise of course, it took me another 30 years to realise, is that so many of the things I was clever at were actually just A pack of lies.
So I was really good at general knowledge, but general knowledge.
It seems to me is just a the whole notion of quizzes.
Yeah, we think of them as entertainment, but they're not really that they're they're everything has an ulterior purpose and a hidden purpose the ulterior purpose of quizzes like University Challenge and mastermind and stuff.
...is to test people's knowledge and turn it into a game and entertainment and a competition.
And it's great and you can sit at home shouting out the answers or being mystified by the answers if they're about chemistry or math.
And you feel sort of slightly edified to be watching this.
But the real reason, of course, is to reinforce all the lies that have been embedded in our consciousness from childhood onwards.
say a question about who was the first man on the moon well that that that encourages us to think that there has been a man on the moon or or etc etc so so yeah it's very hard to be part of this world and not feel a that you belong more or less um but b that you deserve to be there and that you are the right person to be leading the country i mean i think i
I say over and over again, James, that it matters not where you come from in life.
And I know people say, oh, you've got it in for people who went to Oxford and Cambridge.
I haven't, because 99.9% of the people that went there are perfectly all right.
But for some reason, most of the Prime Ministers all went to Oxford or Cambridge.
All of them.
That's not a coincidence.
Or they've got a royal blood lineage.
Like George Orwell's.
You mentioned George Orwell.
His lineage, his ancestors are off the charts.
Honestly, they're off the charts.
Well, I tell you what.
Are you a fan or not of Miles Mathis?
I am.
I wouldn't say a fan.
People send me his information and I find his information compelling as well.
I can't say I'm a fan or not a fan.
That's a good answer.
I always read his work and I take some stuff out of it and think that's fantastic.
Then there's a lot of loose ends that I think I need to look into that a little bit more.
I like the bridges between, I like more solid connections that say that's definitely the answer that before I put it out on a podcast.
I'm pretty sure that Miles Mathis is a not a single person but a collective and be that he's he's very likely intelligence agencies so it's it's a it's it's a limited hangout so some of this is so some of some of his information is gold and it's probably it's a red herring it true but but but he throws in a lot of a lot of crap there as well yeah but the Oxford and Cambridge thing look they just
Because sometimes I listen to your pods and I think, you know, if only I could jump in and explain stuff.
So I am not for a moment defending elite establishments because I think they are all the things that you fear they are.
They are basically incubating chambers for not Not mostly our dark overlords, but the chief administrators of our dark overlords.
The civil servants of the dark overlords.
Exactly.
Do you think they're grooming grounds, in terms of a type?
They are.
They are grooming grounds.
They sort of create the grand viziers for the Babylonian court.
I don't know whether they had grand viziers, but that kind of job.
You described, and I live in Cambridge, so I see a lot of students, You can't help but get this delusion of grandeur, can you?
I'm sure.
You know, like you said, you go into all that history, you can see the excitement in Cambridge students and this, you know, I'm doing, and you know, you can imagine what it feels like at that age as well.
You're getting totally indoctrinated.
It is that thing, it is that thing at that age.
It does create this, you can't really resist it.
You do think that you are the alpha class.
But one thing, one point I would slightly pick you up on.
When I was at Oxford, I had friends in sort of first class universities like Bristol, Durham, Exeter, well I mean those were the three at the time, Edinburgh, I mean I think the rankings have changed slightly, but those were sort of pretty first class institutions.
And I did very much notice when I went to those high-class universities and hung out with the people there.
That their workload was much, much smaller than ours, so we will work much harder.
We were doing two or three essays a week, and you had to prepare for those essays, and you had to read a lot of books for those essays, and you couldn't wing it.
I mean, I love winging it, but you really couldn't.
You had to read the book.
Or you'd be torn apart in your tutorial by your tutor, which you tend not to get such a great degree at the other university.
Only lots from Cambridge really have that tutorial system.
And the other thing that I became very aware of is that... You're saying it's like the SAS of universities, Cambridge and Oxford?
Yeah, absolutely.
So inevitably, when you do probably twice as much, three times as much work, your brain is forced to work harder, you have to absorb more information, so you're much more on your toes.
But the second thing I noted is the people at Oxford and Cambridge really were Cleverer.
They had, they had faster, faster mental processing speeds.
I think that's what it came down to.
The quality of the conversation.
The vocabularies.
Just, just details like that.
And I've, so I would never write off, there are many things wrong with Oxford and Cambridge.
I don't think we should write it off either.
I think there are elements to all these places that you should have your best and brightest people running the country, but there shouldn't be the psychopath element of it.
I think how it works is you asked me how I noticed what I noticed about people like like Boris and stuff yeah and I was saying that the the Etonians and the people who've been to Westminster Westminster is fancies itself as Westminster kids think they're smarter than Etonians maybe they are I mean it's a it's a sassy London school they're like... Did Rishi go to Westminster?
Did Rishi go to Westminster?
No Rishi was at Winchester.
Winchester, that's it, yeah.
Winchester is the other one.
Winchester thinks of itself as the uber-academic one.
Right, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But anyway, the ones who'd been to, certainly Eton and Westminster had this kind of savoir-faire, this arrogance, if you like, in...
Intellectual arrogance, definitely, but also social arrogance.
They really felt like they were there already, so they came ready prepared for this.
They already knew they ruled the world, whereas those of us who came from kind of minor public schools or grammar schools or whatever were just getting used to the idea that we should run the world.
But you think about this, so I Sorry, I mustn't talk too much because actually this is a podcast with you, but at the same time it's a chat, isn't it?
Yeah, let's go where it goes.
I know that you're curious about this.
Yeah, very much so.
And I've completely forgotten what I was going to say about that.
It'll come back to me.
As I told Dom earlier before we started, I fell off a horse and I've hurt my back and I'm slightly in pain, which is distracting me from... Some of you don't know actually, James.
We used to ride horses.
No, he doesn't know because I've told him.
Oh right, he doesn't know.
This is another reason why I feel a bond.
Oh yeah, what I was going to say to you was, I think that... I had an Anglo-Saxon tutor called Mr. Hamer.
And Mr. Hamer was, I gathered, in charge of MI5 or MI6 recruitment.
I hope one day that Mr. Hamer was going to call me aside and said, you seem a good chap.
And of course, at that age, you can think, I'd quite like to be James Bond, and I'd quite like to be protecting my country from the evil forces of Russia, or whoever the designated enemy is, and at least I'd like to be given a shot at this.
I never got the knock on my door.
Now, I thought at the time this was just because I wasn't made of the right stuff, and in a sense I was right, but for the wrong reasons.
What they're looking for is not upstanding decent chaps who, you know, with values, what they want is psychopaths, basically.
They want psychopaths and people who are, have got blackmail that they, things that they can use against them so that they can be controlled.
And it's the same with Company CEOs, isn't it?
That they're all... What surprises me there, James, is that you actually knew that this guy was either a possible or was definitely a recruiter for the intelligence services while you were at university.
I find that intriguing that people actually know this.
Or was it just you that you thought knew that?
Well, yeah, but it's generally a sort of a rumour and then one of your friends gets the nod and gets interviewed.
But you see...
Up until very recently, I thought the intelligence services were our friend.
I thought they were the secret forces which looked after us while we were asleep.
They were really batting for us.
for us but in reality yeah because because as you know we get we get fed all this information um in our culture which which which teaches us how to think correctly so we watch james bond movies and we think well james bond is he's licensed to kill but it's a good thing because it's really good it's It's good that we have people who can bump off our enemies.
If you watch a bit more carefully now though, he's just the guy who goes and whacks someone for the establishment.
So he's kind of, you know, no one should have a license to kill and just go and kill whoever they want.
That's not right.
But back then I'd have thought who is this liberal pinko who's trying to stop my country defending its interests?
It's interesting that Johnson's father went through the recruitment process for MI6 didn't he?
He actually said it in his books, Stanley I presume.
I knew this a while ago but it's somebody called Sir Ian Murray interviewed him at Carlton House Terrace in St.
James's and he went through training, he even had a suit fitted with a pocket for a gun, a place for a gun holster.
Well, of course, it's entirely possible that he is intelligence services.
Yeah.
Wouldn't surprise us, would it?
He seemed like a lot darker character than Boris, to me.
Oh, I think so.
I would say that Stanley sold the family for gain.
Yeah.
It looks that, from the outside in, it looks like that, because he went to work for John D. Rockefeller III in New York, then he ended up at the UN and the World Bank, and then ended up at the Population Control.
So he's got that cycle of working for these upper echelon elites.
Maybe he was promised something.
Wrote a couple of eugenics books.
Yeah.
Oh, I think just the name John D Rockefeller is the most massive tell.
Yeah, yeah.
We're not jumping to conclusions, I don't think, there either, but it worked directly for John D Rockefeller III.
It's like being, sort of, Satan's little helper, isn't it?
I mean, it's that level.
Can I ask you, chaps, when did you, presumably you were Normies once?
Yeah.
I don't actually remember.
I don't actually remember.
I think I had hair then.
It was sometime in the 80s when I looked like one of the Pasadenas.
I think we... Don had a big quiff at that time.
I don't think we... I'll say this for both of us, I reckon.
I don't think we jumped over and just snapped like that, James.
I think it was a very gradual procession.
Probably Don was a few years ahead of me.
But I was always more into, you was into like JFK and military stuff.
I was always more a bit more spiritual kind of and aliens and things like that and weird things.
Don was a bit more facts-based.
Yeah, I think I bought my first JFK book, Mars, going into the late 80s.
I was probably 17, 18.
And then I moved away when I was 19 and we kind of just discussed things but we've both kind of got crossed over into both areas I think now but I think my big one was the second Iraq war.
That was when I was saying this is wrong and people were calling me unpatriotic and stuff.
I think that was my proper big ka-ching moment I think.
Isn't it weird at the moment with this stuff that's going on in Israel.
Yeah.
How people who one might have considered awake, who know about things like false flags, who know about things like the many, many terrorist incidents.
I'm not saying necessarily this one, but most terrorist incidents, certainly in the last 10 years or so, are faked.
Because it's easier.
I mean, if you listen to Olly Damagard, I mean, he's good at exposing this.
And all these people who know that 9-11 was an inside job, know the moon landings were faked, know that the world is run by this evil predator class which uses the entertainment industry and the media to lie to us and to shape the narrative and so on.
They're suddenly going, Yeah, but this time it's different.
This is a really, really bad thing and we need World War 3 now.
It's so scary though, isn't it, for people to accept that it could be a planned, whatever the event is, it could be planned, like 2020, like 9-11, like 8-7-7, like anything, that it could be planned.
The problem with them thinking it could be a false flag, you're actually thinking that nobody got harmed.
And that's not what a false flag is.
People might not get harmed, or people could get harmed, or it could be a by-product of the false flag.
A false flag is a lie, basically, isn't it?
That it was set up by people with an intention to confuse.
You don't think there's a war started without a false flag, is there?
No.
That I can think of.
You know, I'm trying to think of one.
World War II certainly was...
Both Pearl Harbour and what went on in Poland, I think, at the beginning of the war.
Was it the Reichstag?
Didn't they bomb the Reichstag and blame it on Jewish Poles?
That was earlier on.
That was earlier on, yeah.
That was getting, more or less, getting Hitler into power.
Getting Hitler into power.
Yeah.
It was the invasion of Poland, which was set up as a...
Here's the thing about that.
You said something earlier about, you know, we humans mess things up.
But I sort of... I've been general there in my term.
I wasn't going to sort of tear you to shreds on that.
You can do if you want.
I might learn something.
You guys have been on the freedom rallies of various kinds and you've met awake people.
Do you know what?
I've never been on a freedom rally.
Have you not?
I've never been on one.
Do you know, we do our thing on our thing.
I like my research.
I've done a few talks.
I've been to see Mark Devlin do a few talks and I've met a few people there.
And you meet interesting people, as you know, doing this.
And I don't get time.
I prefer to spend my time researching.
I wanted to go on one of the lockdown marches but, because I'm not very internet savvy, they'd always happen then I found out after.
So, I'm not really Facebook, Instagram.
And I'm like, oh crap, this already happened.
Chris, ironically, is more sociable than I am.
He likes the pub culture, going and having a pint with someone, whereas I'm not a drinker and I'm not into that meeting up with people, really.
I'm not saying I'm an introvert, I used to be a clubber, but I keep myself to myself now, really.
Well I do, to be fair.
I very often go anyway.
Okay, well I can give you an analogy if you're a clubber.
You remember when you went to your first club and you got pilled up and everyone was just amazing and everyone was your friend and it was just extraordinary.
You saw the world anew.
That's how it felt on a lot of those those marches through London, etc.
You felt like you were meeting the most beautiful people in the world and it really was like all that rainbow flag Obamacare that they shove up our our bottoms.
Yeah, I don't care.
Why yeah people people of people of it.
Okay, why people would create some colors holding hands under a rainbow flag?
But it but it except this was this was real and you had you know all the diversity all all ages people from all walks of life coming together and loving each other and you really felt felt the love and I reckon That this is this is human beings in their natural state.
I think most of us.
I mean really most of us what we want is is to be happy to love one another to to create a family.
That we love, and we want to give them a good environment, and we want to teach them about the world, and we want them to have even better lives than we've had, and so on.
We don't really want to be concerning ourselves in what's happening in countries thousands of miles away, and whether it's about time we bomb the shit out of them.
That stuff seems to me an external thing.
And it's my belief that our natural state is Eden.
We're living in Eden.
But unfortunately, we've got the constant presence of the snake.
And I suppose the snake in this case would be... Well, who do you think... Just outline to me what you think is going on in the world.
Who do you think is calling the shots?
Who are they?
Well, it's a good question.
Who are they?
I mean, are there several different groups that work together sometimes and work against each other?
But are they really the top table?
Are they just the managers of this place that don't agree sometimes?
And are there other entities like the same sort of entities that Jerry speaks of?
Or is there a god that Christianity talks about?
We don't know these questions, do we?
Because nobody's ever come back to tell us, really.
I know you might argue with that one, but nobody's ever come back to tell us these things.
I think all of the people who run the banking, whatever it is, is it an individual or an individual set of families?
Certainly when you do the research all the same names seem to pop up Rockefeller etc etc when you do the genealogy they all seem intertwined to certain areas in time like when if you go to Baden-Wurttemberg in Germany a lot of the families seem to come from there or around Frankfurt and places like that at a certain point and then get moved out come over to the UK go to America and all of a sudden America pops up and
So a lot of these families, when you go back, like Schwab, Schwab goes back to Frankfurt, to a rabbi in Frankfurt.
That's the Schwab name genealogy, goes back to that rabbi in the 1400s in Frankfurt.
There's no denying that, right?
I've got, I've seen the, and it's not me that's done the genealogy, it's actually a Jewish project to follow the families, So it's actually an official university that's done all this research, but they're not researching it for the reasons we would, to see the whole process.
So who runs this place?
I think there's just got so many managers blocking that direct access to these people, we'll probably never find out.
We'll just see the shadows of who they are.
Yeah, I hadn't heard about the Baden-Württemberg connection.
I'm using that as one example by the way.
Yeah, it is an interesting, you know, even the Rockefellers come, and all the, is it the Huguenots, the guys, the French Huguenots that came to England and then America, Rockefellers were mixed in with them, they were married then into the royal family, so the Rockefellers have got a royal lineage.
Have they?
Have you done one on the Rockefellers?
I will be producing that at some point.
We did a bit of it in the last Orwell one because we were trying to show that Orwell, his ancestors go back to Edward III, which then obviously Edward II, Edward I etc.
And to be fair Dom, we all do.
Every English person.
Well that's what everybody says, however that would mean when Edward III was a busy boy and that would mean all his offspring was I wouldn't have said my ancestors all go back to Edward III.
Boris's don't all go back to Edward III.
I think he's... I forgot what he is, but a lot of them go back to different royal families.
They don't all go back to the same one.
Dom, don't take my favourite urban myth away from me.
I've been confidently assuring people.
Maybe you have!
Maybe you have, and I'm sure some of us have got a certain Baron this and an Earl that in our backgrounds, maybe.
But there's a certain thing that seems to, like Blackpool Rock, that runs through some of these characters.
And I'm not saying it's just that they've got that lineage.
There will be other aspects to it, like what you were talking about, why you didn't, say, get an approach from the intelligence services.
Maybe they realise that further down the line you were going to be thinking the way you are now.
Oh well that's really that's a really interesting I mean that's that's kind of um we're bringing the supernatural into it and and I and I do wonder about that I do wonder because look They have skills and use skills and technology and things like that that we'll never understand.
Yes.
The black arts, the dark occultists, whatever.
One thing for sure is that they, I think the whole game is, if you like, and what they get off on is getting good people, because I don't like you Jones, I think most people are good.
I think left alone I think we're good.
But getting good people... I told you he was positive, didn't I?
Yeah, yeah man.
But it's getting good people to do horrific acts, isn't it?
Like watching in wherever now, Israel now, and like the Iraq War, every war it's just getting normal people who think they're doing something good, because both sides have been propagandised by their own team, haven't they?
To go and do, and kill, and maim each other, and horrible stuff that no one would ever do.
No one would ever dream of doing it, would they?
And now you've got people cheering the, whatever Israel, whatever, to, like you said, to annihilate these people, families.
I mean, I've never seen a Palestinian in a tank, have you?
You see kids throwing rocks at tanks.
Or a fighter jet, yeah.
You've got to ask why the kid's got a rock in his hand, not, let's run over him, you know, I don't know.
Well, yeah.
I would argue on that particular point that it's neither side's fault.
I mean, in terms of ordinary Jews in Israel being called up for the IDF, And Palestinian kids that are throwing rocks and getting getting shot.
They're all victims of what I call the predator class that creates these these dynamics and this this narrative and this agenda, which pits us against one another, whether on the grounds of race or religion or sexuality. whether on the grounds of race or religion or sexuality.
Because divide and rule.
That's how it works.
If you apply pressure to someone, you're going to get intention from that person you're applying pressure from.
And it's generally the wrong one if they've been given the wrong information.
Yeah.
And so the release is to go do something violent or what have you.
A bit like James Bond.
I'll go kill somebody but I won't ask why you want me to go kill that person.
And that is the ultimate, isn't it?
They've been basically programmed to do that.
Like the doctor who was going around giving people a three dart finish in 2021, who's trained and should know better to ask questions, didn't ask any questions, and just gave something that was experimental to people without even looking into it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Have you heard I've come across this guy, I've forgotten his name now, who's written this book about how all the shares in the world, you know, when you buy shares, you think that you are the owner of those shares.
But you're not.
The central bankers have changed the laws so that all you are is the so-called beneficial owner of the shares.
When times are good, you can claim your dividends and you can buy or sell your shares.
But in certain events of force majeure, your shares no longer become your property.
And they can be claimed instantly by these shadowy figures whose names we don't know.
And genuinely, you will own nothing.
I mean, because obviously, even if you don't own shares, your pension fund does.
The economy depends on one way or another on the companies in which people hold shares.
And we're about to witness, I think, I mean, in the next two or three years, this massive wealth confiscation on a scale that has never before been seen.
And yet people are just going around thinking, well, isn't it great that we've recovered from COVID and now we can move on with our lives?
Well, as soon as people started banging pots and pans, And our friend Mr. Sunak has started throwing 500 billion into the economy.
We knew there were going to be payback.
And this is the start of the payback, isn't it?
Yeah.
Do you know when things slow down normally, normally you get a sense that there is a little bit of optimism that's going to bounce back.
But this is different, this has got a different smell to it, taste to it, where there's all the LGBT, you've got the Ukraine, you've got now the Israel, you've got all the global climate boiling change bollocks, you've got all the other stuff.
Every day there seems to be another scarient going around that you need to have several jabs for.
They've got all this other stuff in the background now, as well, that we know they're going to throw at us.
At the same time, most of the nation's been poisoned.
Most of the tension's been poisoned.
I see, James, I see all this stuff, I mean, from, not so much the Azoth, but from, everything's just a distraction from the real thing that's happened.
Which is, a lot of people have took a thing, and it's damaging a lot of people, and fertility's down, and all this stuff, but it's not ever spoken about.
But we've been distracted by You know, Russell Brand or whoever, whether Schofield bummed that kid or whatever else happened.
Do you know what I mean?
It's just all distracted.
And I think when there isn't a distraction, they come up with a big one and I think that's probably why they decided the Israel one should happen.
Because we all knew that was coming, didn't we?
We all knew that was going to happen at some point.
Yeah.
I think the Ukrainian one's going cold now, and whatever they needed to get out of Ukraine, whatever the reason for all that has gone on, they've got out of it.
Have they just moved a load of weapons somewhere?
Well, weapons, whatever it is, taken a load of resources, whatever it might be.
Laundering?
Same team, isn't it?
So much of this stuff has been planned.
I mean, I remember people with connections to the military telling me, At least five years ago, possibly ten, they said of course, you know, Iran's going to be our next theatre.
Yeah, it's the last one left on the... Yeah, on the list.
And there's another story I heard from this guy, I don't want to give too many details, but he listens to my podcast and For various reasons he got quite a high level security clearance and he found himself working with people in the American security services and in this sort of after work
Banter and stuff they were talking about all sorts of things and he and they he said they said They said do you know what what NASA stands for and he said oh, isn't it never a straight answer?
Space administration and they said no not a space agency Here's the spookier thing they said to him I Estonia are going to win the Eurovision Song Contest.
And he said, how can you know that Estonia is going to win the Eurovision Song Contest?
What is this stuff?
So he thought, I might as well have a punt.
What have I got to lose?
And he was telling a few of his mates, I'm backing Estonia.
And Estonia goes and wins the Eurovision Song Contest.
How much of everything that's going on is planned years, decades ago?
What's the relevance of Estonia winning?
There must have been a reason for it.
We often don't know.
We can't infer the reasons.
It could be 30 years in advance, couldn't it?
Ukraine winning was quite obvious, wasn't it?
Yeah, that one was.
I should have put a wager on that one.
I got the impression that neither of you is Christian?
No.
Well I am Christian.
Yeah you are, you are, you are.
In name, Christian in name only.
I've always had a massive interest, I used to come top in RA at school weirdly, but I've always had a massive interest in religion.
But I wouldn't ever want to sign myself up to anything, if you know what I mean.
I think, because I think, wherever God is, or wherever put us here, or wherever it is, he's been thwarted by human beings.
So I think the version we're getting I think instinctively we know that something put us here.
I don't think it's a guy with a beard, but I don't know, is it energy?
Oh, he's definitely got a beard, come on!
I really don't know, James, and I don't think anyone really knows, but... If there is something, if there is a maker, it can't just be one thing.
Unless we're in an incubator with one person looking after us.
Could just be an energy, couldn't it?
The Bible's been thwarted by humans, hasn't it?
I would say.
The word's changed, moved around.
They're still moving it and changing it now.
I mean, they think you can get an LGBT one.
Oh, I see what you mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm very cautious of putting all my eggs in one basket and trusting one thing, if you know what I mean.
Um, personally.
I think one thing, if you understand the supernatural level of things, if you see it in terms of a battle between good and evil.
I do see that, yes.
Yeah.
I think it makes it much easier to understand what's going wrong in the world.
So, for example, we don't know who is running the world, although we've been given a few names.
But we do know.
I mean, you've presumably come across stuff about adrenochrome, child trafficking, satanic ritual abuse, satanic sacrifice.
These people who run the world seem to be participating in these ceremonies quite eagerly.
And I don't think they do it just for the shits and giggles.
They do it because as a kind of sacrament, To their God, and I think their God is whether it's it's it's Lucifer or Satan.
He is the the enemy of of the rear of the true God the God God the Creator.
So I suppose what I'm saying is even if you don't take this stuff literally.
The people who run the world do.
That tells you something.
And it does look like, and I've said this actually before, I'll cover to Dom, it looks like they're trying to either Revelations is unfolding or they're following the blueprint for some reason.
It seems like that.
And this thing going on in Israel now seems like a bit of a high point of it, I think.
Have you read that book?
An end point.
I saw this.
That book's good.
Satan of this world.
Prince of this world.
Oh, well that's what it says in the New Testament.
He's basically tying the whole communist...
He more describes it, he calls him the synagogue of Satan.
And you can't, I mean, that's an old book.
You can't argue with a lot of the stuff he's saying.
That there'd be a slow takeover of all the world governments.
And I mean, we've literally seen that in our...
A lifetime, and more so in the last five years I suppose.
Yes, which sort of makes it, at once, rather daunting because you think, well, if the devil's in charge, I mean, he's next level evil.
He's really good at this stuff.
He invented evil.
I mean, evil is his game.
Is it a guy, like we've seen in films, or is it a spiritual thing?
Is it an energy?
I would guess it probably is, because we're told it's a guy with a fork and a pair of horns, so it probably isn't that.
No, I don't know.
I don't know.
He probably manifests himself in that form for those who want to see him that way.
I mean, I think he takes the form of a bull sometimes.
Or maybe he takes other people's form and that is the energetic takeover, the parasite takeover.
Just like you can see people... I'll use Boris as an example.
He seems a fun-loving chap.
He seems an easy-going guy who wants to go out for a laugh.
Slowly over the years you could see him changing into this... I think when he got to number 10 he thought he was going to sort Brexit out and that was his only job.
And he's been lured into this job and then he's had this thrown in his lap.
Because he looked like he'd been through the gates of hell in 2020.
Yes.
And although we keep saying that a lot of these people are psychopaths, he actually looked like he had some sort of call to his conscience partway through it.
And I always remember that video you put, Dom.
And that's not me sticking up for anybody, by the way, anybody listening.
It's more the fact that he could see in his face that he wasn't happy to go along with some of this.
He was actually questioning some of it.
Right at the beginning, when he showed him in his house with his missus, and they were like, we'll get through this with a, you know, Dunkirk spirit and we'll fight this thing, da-da-da.
And he looked almost happy that he was doing it.
Then when he got apparently COVID and came out, like you said, it looked like he'd been to hell and back.
Like, someone took him in a room and said, this is what you've got to do now, and this is what's going to happen.
This is where it gets serious.
Stanley signed you up for this years ago.
He signed the deal with the devil years ago.
I think that's probably right.
You looked terrified didn't you Dom?
I remember us talking about it at the time.
I read a lot of World War 1 diaries of people that were in the trenches and things like that.
And I was watching something the other day and there was orders to, I forget, I think it was a Somme, and they told them to go out and they told them they were going to lose a lot of men.
It was the guy, probably the captain, realised that the orders had been given and most of these guys weren't going to live.
And he was crying while he was giving the orders to his lieutenants.
And so people like him, they're in a position where they know they've got to follow these orders, or they've probably shot it down.
But they know by following these orders they're going to wipe out a whole company of guys that they've trained with.
Good men.
Good men and what have you.
And these are good men, but the General's two miles back and he's been trained going back to what you were saying.
And the General's committing no murder.
He's committing no murder.
He's even committing a sin or a crime.
None.
I always think about that one as well.
And I'm using it as an example, not necessarily that all generals are evil characters or anything.
But imagine, if you're a...
I know surgeons, there's a thin line between surgeons being psychopathic, isn't there?
I don't know if you've read that research.
God complex.
God complex.
And I would have thought most generals probably have that complex as well.
Definitely!
I'm using generals as an example but... Some people thrive on power don't they?
But why would you want that job?
Why would you want that job to know that you're gonna kill either your enemy or your own men?
Do you remember that, I'm sorry, do you remember that when, just remind me about with Boris, when George Bush, when 9-11 happened, he was talking to those kids in that school and I always remember watching that commentator, Webster Tarpler, and he gave a different version of it and he said, he zoomed in on his face and he said, if you watch his face when that guy goes over and whispers to you, because the big thing was, they told him and he didn't do anything, he just sat there.
Webster Tapley was saying, but if you look into his eyes, he doesn't know if he's next or not.
He doesn't know what's going on.
He's not part of it at that point, is he?
He doesn't know what's going to happen.
Whether he's going to get in Air Force One and get bombed out of the sky, he doesn't know.
I think we said the last president I thought was actually in control of anything was the Bush senior.
He was in the know, that guy, more than Ronald Reagan, Clinton and all these people.
I think Bush, because he was part of the CIA for a long time, was Bush.
He probably knew the advanced planning is what I'm trying to say.
Whereas people like Boris or Cameron and people like that, yeah they've got the right bloodline, yeah they'll follow orders if we tell them to do it, but they're not in the know until we tell them they're in the know type of thing.
Have you done the Bushes yet?
I've started something on the Bushes simply because they follow the same lineage to a lot of these characters.
I think what you'll find is that the Bushes are very much bloodlines.
Oh yeah, 100%.
And that, look, there's Vannevar Bush who, I can't remember what he was involved with, The father of George H.W.
Bush was intimately involved in funding Hitler's war machine.
So, I think it unlikely that George W. Bush would not have been aware of his place in the kind of satanic hierarchy.
You know, he probably was aware of it, but he probably didn't, um, how can I say it, like Chris was saying... Well, look, we're hypothesising, we don't really know, but... Maybe their system... He certainly went along with it anyway.
Maybe in their system, he knows that he could get sacrificed or thrown to the bus for the greater movement of their evil, satanic cause.
I'm just making that up, but who knows?
No, I think they certainly have no qualms about sacrificing their own for the greater evil.
What I would say about Johnson is that he lies, he lives his life through a lie.
And it's been proven and proven not just by me or Chris or anybody else, you know, by loads of people.
And this last case, I mean, was probably a minor lie, like he had a party at Number 10 and lied about it.
That was minor to everything else that's gone on.
I would just mark shenanigans on it, mark WWF.
And how do these people actually get out?
What do we think is going to happen when a person like that gets into power?
Are we really surprised at what the end result is?
Yeah, yeah.
This is why I think whatever you think about Christianity, One of the things that really appeals to me about it is that it is a very good manual on how to live a life which doesn't involve destroying the world and everyone in it.
So when you read the Bible, the most common injunction is, thou shalt not be afraid.
So you think about that.
You're a judge in the USA on the Supreme Court and it is in your power to help make momentous decisions which are going to affect the lives of millions of people and it's kind of on you whether or not you do the right thing or the wrong thing.
And almost invariably we know these people do the wrong thing, except on sort of, they have a few token issues where they do the right thing.
But the direction is towards the interest, not of the people, but of the predator class.
And this goes across the board, you know, the example you gave Dom, your general.
Your general does not say no when the senior command, when the field marshals or whatever have decided we are going to have a big push here and we are going to sacrifice 50,000 men and that's just the deal.
In every case, these men have the theoretical power, you could argue that they don't really have it because who'd say no in the second, but they do theoretically have the opportunity to put an end to this by telling the truth, being honest, doing the right thing.
But what stops them doing it is their fear of failure, disgrace, death even.
If you remove that fear, as the Bible enjoins you to do, it becomes much, much easier to do the right thing and face up to evil.
But very few people have got that within them, because everyone's afraid of... And going back to what you said about going on the marches in London and things like that, that's probably what you saw there, that's the raw element, what you saw probably there, being around those people.
None of those people were fearful, otherwise we wouldn't have been there.
Yeah, it makes that they do say that you can't really start living your life until you sort of conquer your fear of your fear of death Yeah, I don't think this has done for people like us and I know the sage guys worked out Susan Mickey and a friendly Group of scientists that we know and love they worked out that 5% of people in this this country who
I've had the realisation would stick to their guns so 5% of adults probably not children but they'd worked it out between 5 to 8% it was actually.
People like us three would have probably been dragged out the house or what have you.
Bit like the French Resistance, I mean, how many fans during World War 2?
They got everyone to take the jibby jab on fear, didn't they?
Not just fear of a flu disease, but fear of what other people thought of them.
That was the main fear, wasn't it?
It wasn't the fear of an illness, it was fear of what the next door neighbours thought about them.
I think my deep-rooted thought is that Boris Johnson knew what he was doing was wrong.
That's the impression I got.
Yeah.
Because he actually said that the variants were bollocks or something like that.
He actually said that in his... Something was leaked that it said that the variants are bollocks and what have you.
So he knew something was wrong.
Whether he was... He knew all the plan or not.
But he never said anything.
Which, going back to what you said, that means he was fearful of something happening somewhere down the line or to whatever, whether it's physical, mental, financial, to him.
Look at Tony Blair, and Tony Blair's a prime example of, if you stick to the plan, you know, he got sort of dragged through the coals, didn't he, when he went on that inquiry, and he had to sort of apologise, but he didn't really apologise.
And he stuck to it, and now look at him, the Blair Institute and Spreading the parasite all around the world, innit?
Yeah, I mean, look, I think there are different reasons why these people behave in the way that they do.
But fear is the factor throughout.
It's either fear of death, the big one, or it's fear of losing face, or it's fear of... I mean, journalists, for example.
like I've looked around aghast at the failure of my my my old trade all these people I thought were going to be up to the job of fighting tyranny etc etc and all of them have been asleep at the wheel um and I know that that what sort of that it's not it's not that there are there are people giving them brown envelopes to to not to do their job it's
It's more that they quite like the company of other journalists.
They quite going off to junkets like the press conferences and stuff where they feel a bit special.
They get a pass and they get to go through the police cordon and they get access to insider gossip.
And if you do what we've done and cut loose from the mainstream, you get instantly denied access to all that.
I keep saying, James, it's not career enhancing, is it, questioning the mainstream?
No!
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
But the thing is, I think, look, I'm not going to try and proselytise and convert you.
I'm just thinking aloud here.
I think if you are where we are, if you are awake, it becomes almost inexorably logical to take the Christian path, because what you do is you have a kind of an intellectual structure.
Honoured by time and tradition.
Some of the brightest thinkers of the last 2,000 years have been working this stuff out.
But for example, I think it answers your questions about, like, How can I have been with these people at Oxford and not seen them, you know, for who they were?
And I think what it is, is that sin and evil are sort of incremental processes.
It's not like people are born with red eyes and 666 on their head.
Because that would be easy, wouldn't it?
It'd be bloody easy if you could just sit there.
I mean particularly with you Dom, I mean you've got nothing to cover it up.
But it's not, like the people I used to, you know when I was having my spliff with Dave Cameron in my rooms in Christchurch, when I was going to the Arnold and Brackenbury Society at Balliol with Boris and they were sort of I just realised, do you know what the symbol of the Arnold and Brackenbury Society is?
Do you know what their mascot is?
No.
Pick that.
A stuffed owl.
Right.
Shock and horror.
Owl!
Yeah, yeah.
Shock and horror.
I mean, why an owl?
That's what they have at Bohemian Grove isn't it?
It's like the owl is a Anyway, it's not like...
It surprises any more old stuff, James, does it?
No, it doesn't, does it?
It doesn't.
But I think that what happens is that they, you know, Boris, for example, the famous tape of him sort of giving the address of a journalist or being asked to give the address of a journalist to Darius Guppy, who the famous tape of him sort of giving the address of a journalist or being asked Yeah, yeah.
So you go there and you think, well, I feel a bit naughty, but I got away with it.
And then you make another step.
And then it's another step towards...
I know, I don't want to do this, but I'm required to give the entire country this experimental kill shot.
Yeah, from Boris's perspective it was quite...
He was on TV all the way through the 2000s before becoming Mayor.
He was on Have I Got News For You, he was a presenter.
And you could see that he was being, not necessarily we knew he was going to be lined up for Prime Minister, but me and Chris actually said, this guy looks like he's been lined up here.
We didn't know Boris Johnson was.
A persona of this guy with a messy blonde hair and he was just one of the lads and all that carry on and all the way through the 2000s he even got a BAFTA nomination for presenting, for being part of the team that presented Have I Got News For You.
So all this credibility all the way through, even though they know he's a liar, even though his first job at the Times he was sacked for lying.
And Gavin Hastings, not Gavin Hastings, Max Hastings, took him under his wing and got him another job, I think, at the Telegraph.
Then he was friends with Baron Lebedev, as he is now, I think it's the Telegraph, or the Independent, whose father was a Russian KGB agent who he was going to private parties with in his villa in Italy.
I mean, this had never been released anywhere.
Why?
Why?
And it was actually released, somebody made a TV programme, somebody made a documentary about it, I downloaded it, it was quite a well-known journalist, I forget his name now.
They're in opposition, why is Labour not trouncing him with all this information?
Why are they not trouncing him up that he's going to private parties with strippers there?
Why?
Where was our invite?
Another thing, I remember seeing him in Parliament when he was, you know, this persona with his scruffy hair and, you know, people liked him because he was a bit bungling and it made people feel like they could do what he's doing, possibly.
But I remember seeing him in Parliament once, before he stood up, and he rubbed his hair so it all stood up on end, then stood up.
And I thought, why would you do that?
You know, why would you make your hair stick up before you stand up to do a speech?
It's incredible.
It looks like it is.
It looks like it is.
Part of the persona.
And as he built this persona, like you were just saying, he seemed to get away with things.
And it's like, who do you know, right, that does everything wrong, but their career is on an upward trajectory all the way through?
It just doesn't... Right, once you might get away with something, twice you might get... but you're not going to keep getting away and getting away and then become mayor and then get... keep making the same mistakes and then become Prime Minister.
It shouldn't work that way.
No.
Unless, of course, The more mistakes you make, the more... Satanic credits you get!
But also the more blackmailable you become.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But also the more blackmailable you become.
Yeah, good point, yeah.
Do you know what?
The point you made, James, about the teacher at your college that you thought was an agent for, or a possible agent for MI5, if you like, or a recruiter, and you didn't pass the test, in essence.
Yeah.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know, not who passed the test as an individual, but why they chose them and didn't choose other people?
It...
That would be, because let's just say, we've all heard about Manchurian candidates and I look at say academics now and a lot of them as a Manchurian candidate but an academic Manchurian candidate.
They probably don't even know they've been programmed to deliver this message.
They're not necessarily Saran Saran who's left there high and dry in front of Bobby Kennedy with a gun.
Boris Johnson could be a Manchurian candidate as well.
He didn't know what he was doing all the way through.
He might have got an inkling that somebody had greased the tracks type of thing.
Do you understand what I mean there?
But they're choosing specific people out there to do specific roles is what I'm trying to say.
I'm sure that's right.
I'm sure it works much better if they don't know they're being used or they're unaware of the extent to which they're being used.
So it's on a sort of need-to-know basis.
Like a compartmentalisation of that.
They might have had ten people that said, right, these Damien Offspring, we're going to choose one of these people in twenty years' time to be that.
Because I can't just pick Boris and say in 2020 he's going to be the guy.
I just don't think it'll work that way.
That accords with my own theory on this.
You're right.
They create a load of... Well, I mean, you've got the training ground, haven't you, at Oxford and Cambridge.
So they've got this You know, thousands of potential recruits, and they've got spotters.
And they groom them, as you say, Chris.
It's a grooming zone.
And some of them are going to come good.
It's like training racehorses, isn't it?
You don't know what they're going to be.
They come from a good siren dam.
And you've just got to work.
Some of them come good.
That's what throws that analogy of everyone's related back to the same gene line, gene pool, if you like.
Because if we were all related to that same gene pool, we'd all be up for choosing, in essence.
So it's not just about the genealogy, it's about certain characteristics within that as well, isn't it?
I think so.
I think so.
Hang on, let's get rid of my glass of water.
Yeah.
Do you think I'll cut this bit out?
Can we slag him off before he gets back?
No, don't slag him off, he's got his back now.
It was tantalising me, just out of reach.
Literally like tantalism.
His glass of vodka.
It was tantalising me, just out of reach.
Literally like tantalism.
His glass of vodka from a bit of time to us.
I would say, James, going back to what you were saying, I think, I'm not saying, I've always been, I've never wanted to follow any strict religion, but I think we live pretty, you know, the beliefs, the Christian beliefs, I think, me and Dom, I think we would say we share them, wouldn't we, to an extent, Dom?
I've never had an urge to go to church, to be honest with you.
I find a lot of them quite, I mean, I've heard Christians on the radio saying they pray to win the lottery and stuff, and is that totally missing the point, I would say?
I'm not sure that Jesus would be thinking... Yeah, I'll let you win this lottery this time.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I don't think it works like that.
No.
I think actually...
Prayers are much better when you pray for other people.
It just makes it, you know, you can stop other people getting cancer.
But again, like you're talking about the power of prayer, I believe that exists.
I believe it is an energetic force from another human to another human and I think a lot of people together doing it, I think it can help.
Whether it be meditation, whether it be prayer, whether it be...
I mean I'll tell you a story of once I was doing meditation in my club, well I still do but in the clubbing days I went to this place in Todmorden in Halifax which is quite a famous place for people who are alternative thinkers let's just say and we're having like a group meditation class with this lady and we're running it, going back into the mid 90s this.
And she said, I want to concentrate one on somebody who's ill.
And I met this chap who, after we'd been out on a night out, we ended up, you know what it's like James, sometimes you deviate to someone's house for a while, then you go to someone else's house after a club, that type of thing.
And this guy had got some form of cancer.
And so we did all this meditation, it was quite powerful actually, it was quite emotional, I remember it being.
Anyway, the week after, I went to this guy's house, because we were trying to give him some support, and it got the all clear.
Fucking weird.
In fact, that was my first experience of that there is something alternative to the power, people call it the power of thought, but it's more an energetic thing.
And I told him this story, and obviously he burst into tears, this guy.
I mean, I didn't know what to do.
I wasn't telling him because of that, but it might have been a couple of weeks after type of thing, but it was quite a powerful moment in my life anyway.
Because it wasn't just me, everybody in the room was, I told the story of this chap and there were about ten people in the room doing this, like, meditation based on it.
Just on that subject, what about, because I've heard as well, other religious people, Catholics or Christians, like, having to go, yoga is for doing yoga and for meditating.
What's your stance on that James because I mean I think it's all part of the same thing to be honest with you.
I find that that you can very easily get involved with things which are just kind of you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say yoga is satanic or there are areas of being a Christian which I find I don't particularly want to go, for example, on matters of doctrine.
So you've got, I mean, small doctrinal differences.
So you've got the Orthodox Church, you've got the Catholic Church, which considers itself the Mother Church and calls itself, quite self-consciously, the Mother Church.
You've got Anglicanism and you've got Baptists and you've got all manner of Christians.
And they've all got Very intelligent people involved in this, people of faith who are absolutely committed to their particular take on Christianity.
And I think, well, some of them have got to be wrong, haven't they?
I mean, because there are doctrinal differences which are quite serious.
I don't want to go into them.
them but but but so it's a bit like sort of the whole the whole world that we're learning about where we're constantly being encouraged to pick sides and and fight for a particular team yeah which divides us and and separates us from the the things that matter Yeah.
Yeah, I would agree.
I've done yoga, if that's what... Although, I do think I'm a bit suspicious about Kundalini Yoga, which awakens the power of the snake.
I think, you know... Yeah.
I like snakes.
You know, I've been bitten three times by snakes, and I have a... which sounds like I have a bad relationship with them, but it's not.
I mean, you don't get bitten by snakes unless you... Separate occasions aren't the same time.
Separate occasions.
I was once showing my... I was looking around this prep school where I was considering sending my son and one of the things that attracted me to it was the fact they had a snake pub.
So we were being shown around the classroom and instead of walls they had lots of glass tanks with snakes and lizards and tarantulas in them.
And their headmaster interrupted the class, you know, to show the parents around.
And the teacher was in charge of the snake club.
And I said, oh, I love reptiles.
And, you know, and he said, oh, do you want to have a hold of the snake?
I said, yeah, yeah, sure.
So he gets out this rainbow boa.
And the rainbow boa is, he said, be careful, he's a bit tasty, this one.
And I said, yeah, fine, I can handle snakes, you know.
Give me the snake.
And the snake was doing this.
It was going.
And I thought, he looks like he's about to.
And he suddenly, and he bites me on the chin.
And there's this blood pouring down my chin.
And the headmaster has gone ashen.
And all the boys in the class are going, this is so cool.
A parrot has been bitten on the chin by a snake!
What I'm saying is, I'm not anti-snake, but I know that Traditionally, you know, going back to the Garden of Eden, the snake is not to be trusted.
And I think people with sort of snake- I mean, have you gone down that rabbit hole about the reptilian snake-involved people?
Yeah, James, before I forget, which is connected, are you aware of that- and connected to religion- are you aware of the Pope's auditorium being in the shape of a snake's head?
That's- I mean, what do you do with that?
Because it clearly is a snake's head.
And he talks from its mouth.
Some of the stuff that these people do is so unsubtle.
You can't even cover that up, can you?
It's not like they're not telling us.
I mean, all this stuff.
The iconography that gets rammed down our throats.
It's so blatantly obvious some of this stuff.
The Snake Auditorium is a good one to tell people.
Have a look at the Pope's Auditorium.
You can't argue it.
Chris, it was just an accident that this window is like a kind of evil glass eye and that you've got these fangs coming down.
Look, any interior designer can make that mistake.
Yeah, yeah.
Can you imagine the effort they've put into that though?
And that's why it can't be a mistake.
How did he get the designs passed when he took them to the Pope at the time and said, what do you think for your auditorium?
It looks a bit like a snake's head.
No, no, no.
I'll change that bit when we put it up.
Can you imagine, so somehow in the oversight committees they've looked at these plans and they completely missed the significance of it and then they build this thing and they walk into it.
Fuck!
Well, what are we going to do?
Are we going to knock it down?
I mean, you know, we haven't got very much money.
Maybe when they were in their oversight committee, they were all sat around the table like this.
A glass of blood each.
I think the Vatican is not shorter than Baldwood's here.
I mean, in those underground vaults.
I'd love to go in there.
What do you think's in the underground vaults, Blyth?
Who knows?
Like, so much stuff.
Secret to life, probably.
Everything.
Yeah, everything.
Well, again, it comes back to the rationale behind it.
They've got a small country called the Vatican that wasn't invaded by the Germans.
Or Switzerland wasn't.
Why?
You can't say medals, that's why.
Yeah, they all had to say medals.
Yeah.
And the Vatican's guarded by the Swiss Guard.
Which, again, doesn't make sense.
Neither of them were invaded in World War II.
How does that work?
You and all these secrets, but it wasn't ransacked.
Why didn't they take all the secrets?
Just go in and say, Pope out, Zeke Isle, we're taking it all.
They didn't.
Why didn't they do it?
Take all your gold.
That tells you the answer.
It's a big club.
And we're not in it.
Yeah, we're not in it.
I mean, look, even though it's horrible knowing that the world is run by an evil cabal which wants to poison us, murder us or enslave us.
I mean, that's quite a downer.
I think that literally is it.
That literally is it, isn't it?
In a nutshell.
But looking on the bright side.
It has been quite fun, hasn't it?
Discovering, just finding out, or trying to find out the mechanisms and which country, for example, is the most evil.
I mean, I think you can make a very good case that everything wrong in the world emanates from this country of ours, which we were taught to think of as We were born English, we've won the lottery in life and isn't it great?
The sun never sets in the British Empire, blah blah blah.
Isn't it cool that we once forced the Chinese to take our opium because that's how we roll.
All this kind of stuff.
We conquered Africa.
George Orwell's father, you know, worked for the opium department in the Raj.
Who did?
George Orwell's father.
I was going to ask you about Orwell.
Sorry, I've gone off on a tangent there.
No, we love tangents and I think we should talk about Orwell because...
You did a special on a number on Orwell.
What's your current feeling on him?
Did he actually exist?
Was he intelligent services or what?
All of the above.
Possibly, it was a number of people.
But certainly his work... I mean, Chris has read his books more than I have, but his work changed.
Up to his 1984 Animal Farm books, his work was nothing like that.
Absolutely nothing like that and I think Alice Huxley was the same.
Bear in mind when I started that series it was called Huxley's Brave New World Order.
So the actual series was going to be about Huxley but it led me down so many paths I had to include other things in before I actually get to the Huxley family.
And so, because Orwell was linked to Huxley, because Huxley had taught him at Eton, I included Orwell.
And Orwell's going to be 30 minutes, and now he's going to be 10 hours.
Is it?
Of four episodes, yeah.
10 hours!
So, we've done two so far, we're going to release the third one next week.
The third one is about more the Bloodline type stuff, but how A lot of people, and I know, again, I'm going off on a separate tangent, a lot of people say, oh, he's related to Tony Blair.
And that's not true, in the sense that they're aiming that accusation, because the Blair names, Eric Blair and Tony Blair, are not linked, because Tony Blair's father was adopted.
So his grandparents were travelling entertainers.
Tony Blair's grandparents were travelling entertainers.
What was their surname?
She was called... You've caught me on the spot there.
I forgot, it'll come to me.
It was through her family, her lineage, that he's got a royal bloodline.
Not through his Blair name adopted grandparents.
So the Blair name doesn't really exist, well it does exist, but in Tony's ancestors it doesn't exist.
So he can't be related to Eric Blair via that.
Nice to see you carry on the family business as a travelling entertainer.
So, the story goes that they were traveling entertainers and she became pregnant with her husband and she left, I think, his father, I forget what he was called now anyway, um, Charles Blair I think it was, but anyway, she left his father with two Glaswegians who couldn't have kids.
Um, yeah.
I'm gonna have to look up his name now, because it's doing me, it annoys me.
Well this is quite interesting.
Have you, have you, you've read Springmire?
Yes, the Illuminati.
Ironically, the Tony Blair thing is very intriguing because his lineage goes back to that area what I'm telling you about in Germany and he's got an ancestor known as the Bavarian.
He was known as the Bavarian.
One of Tony Blair's ancestors. - I wonder whether there are places in the world a bit like sort of confluences of ley lines or media alarms or stuff where evil erupts and is attracted to.
It sounds like Frankfurt and, what did you say, Baden-Wurttemberg?
Wurttemberg, that type of area, yeah.
Yeah, I'm trying to find this lady's name for you.
Just so we can get her... But, so, so, Orwell...
Or Eric Blair, or whoever it was, was one of those.
He was... Yes, and his lineage goes back, you could say, and there was a story that the Queen was in some way related to the Prophet Muhammad via a Spanish bloodline, the King of Castile, and Eric Blair or George Orwell's lineage follows that route as well.
There's so many spin-offs.
It's even related to Lady Godiva.
So, yeah.
I mean, you two have helped me in this.
Helped me think this way.
That it seems that almost all the people that we know in history, all the people who become famous
They're all in the game, they're all part of the deception and they all share these kind of lineages, which will always mean that people like us, for better or worse, mostly for the better I'd say, are left out of it because we don't have the right dark blood coursing through our veins.
Blue blood.
Well it certainly seems that way to me because It's hard to explain, because if... Why Orwell?
Alright, he's got this genealogy, I'm sure other people have got the same genealogy.
Going back to your original question, did he exist?
I've seen pictures that the pictures don't look the same person.
Now, there's a lot of pictures floating around, well, a few pictures.
He's never been recorded.
So, one of these guys who worked for the BBC, there's no audio recording of him even talking, let alone a video.
I think there's even only a handful, like eight pictures of him.
I don't think there's even that many pictures of him.
You always see the same, if you Google him and look at images, you see the same image over and over again.
I think there's like a handful.
It's really sad this for me, because I always considered Orwell to be one of the great prose stylists.
I mean, I'm not thinking so much of 1984 or Animal Farm, which strike me as like, You're right, they seem like they're written by a different person.
It's not as literary endeavours that they are on the curriculum.
They're there as part of the brainwashing, I think.
Well, the fact was that the rights to Animal Farm were sold to the CIA, weren't they?
Yeah.
His second wife sold the rights to the animated film to the CIA.
The CIA funded that animated film.
That's not a tell, at all.
That's not a clue about anything.
I like his other books as well.
Yeah.
Down and Out in Paris and London and Wig and Peer and all that.
I liked all of those.
But they were all like social commentaries and then he just went bang and went straight to an analogy about communism doing animal farming in 1984, which has just slowly come true.
But his essays, for example, The Lion and the Unicorn, they're really, really good and On the money.
And he doesn't, he's kind of, I remember Will Self is one of the most overrated novelists, if he is that, in recent memory.
And he, I think he had a go at Orwell, and I was thinking, well, you could write like Orwell in your dreams, but Orwell wasn't, he didn't have your sort of overlap approach.
I tried a Will Self book, actually.
I tried one of it, and I didn't get it.
I didn't get what the fuss was about.
No, but with Orwell, you know, he's straight in there.
He's simple sentences and stuff.
So, it depresses me in a way to think that this man might have been, what, written by a committee?
Well, maybe the one you liked, James, was the real Orwell and then you just used what he'd built up to get rid of him and get these two books out there.
Persona of the Persona.
The persona worked for the Information Research Department.
Orwell worked for that.
And his first wife worked for the Ministry of Information as well.
Eileen O'Shaughnessy, she worked for the Ministry of Information.
And his second wife, Sonia Bromwell, worked for the Information Research Department as well.
His first wife was a psychotherapist, which seems to be a running thing.
Huxley's wife, Aldous Huxley's wife, I think it was his second wife, was a psychologist or a psychotherapist as well.
The lady that were administering LSD to him on his deathbed.
Didn't one of his wives write a poem, the poem, 1984?
Shaun must have, before she met Orwell, she was at a school in Sunderland, a girls' school, and she got called back because it was their 50th anniversary.
This was something like 1934 it was.
And she got given a subject to write about the 50th anniversary of the school, but 50 years in advance, which would have been 1984, to write a poem.
And it was called 1984 something, I forget what the title is.
She wrote a poem with 1984 in the title before she knew George Orwell.
You could swear there, James, if you want.
That's the thing!
So, I went down another rabbit hole recently, and I thought of you when I went down it, which was the whole of the modernist Movement and the involvement of, have you listened to Ezra Pound at all?
No, I haven't yet.
Okay.
I might come across the, yeah.
Okay.
So just, I'll give you the outline of my theory and then maybe you can, you can work it into a, a 10 part sort of 50 hour podcast series.
But okay.
So when you, have you, have you, Chris, have you, have you, I don't expect you to have done, Dom, have you read any of the sort of modernist works?
Have you read, read?
No, I don't read that.
No.
If you're going to study English literature at university level, you're probably going to be presented with this problem, which is that all the readable novels were written in the 19th century, most of them by Russians, to be honest.
The Russians were way, way better at it than anybody.
And then in the early 20th century, Both poetry and and the novels and actually it happened in classical music as well but were hit by this this sort of shock of the new trend whereby instead of Being readable.
Novels suddenly became experimental and jazzy and now.
So you had things like Ulysses by James Joyce and you had this new generation of poets like T.S.
Eliot and they rejected all the values of the sort of Victorian and Georgian past and created this new thing.
And this is, this is presented to you when you're a young impressionable literature student as kind of a good thing, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's progressive, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's... Moving it on forward.
But knowing what we know now, you wonder, given that the whole purpose of... Oh, hang on, I'm just going to change my light thing, otherwise it looks... Start slugging them off again.
I hope it leaves a spit in.
No, I can't say I know anything about modern history.
He's a lot more educated than we are, fair.
Yeah, but I think that... I don't know much about Aldous Huxley.
I think he's going to get to the point that you've been indoctrinated by being told that, aren't you?
Yes.
It's not something you've come up with on your own.
No.
Have you been rude about me again?
Yeah.
No, no.
We've been saying loving things.
Just just a quick a quick digression, you know, you've looked into the whole Dave McGowan thing and about music and how it's given that we know that the real purpose of Pop music as opposed to the the ostensible purpose Was to create a generational divide So that people
Parents no longer understood their children if they ever did but but it created this this divide it introduced into the culture sex drugs Etc.
So so it subverted the family and it subverted the culture generally in the same way I think that the reason that modernism happened was not because it was a sort of natural progression that people suddenly wanted to write and read unreadable novels.
It was rather that a few tastemakers and editors decided that this was a necessary thing and imposed it on the populace and people bought it on the line of the Empress New Clothes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't understand it, but it's got to be good for me and it's now and it's so...
From what you just told us, I would 100% agree with the theory.
It sounds like shenanigans.
If the likes of George Orwell are working for, I mean there was Orwell's list as well, working for the intelligence services, and his work's been promoted by the intelligence services.
Then all these artists, what were the artists we were talking about Chris?
Pollock.
Francis Bacon and Pollock and all these people that were sort of the modern art type people, all they were funded by the CIA and promoted by the CIA.
Hey, here's the thing.
Conspirafact.
The person who wrote the definitive book on this, Francis Stoner Saunders, was, so let's not slag off Oxford completely.
She was reading English in my year at Oxford.
Yeah.
So we're not all bad.
It was a good book, that, that she wrote, yeah.
Yeah.
But listen to this one, James, right?
These are little gems that you come across when you're doing research.
So in Aldous Huxley's...
So Aldous Huxley's known for sort of being part of the Tavistock 1960s counterculture LSD revolution, which culminated with Woodstock, for argument's sake.
But he's got somebody in his lineage, ancestor, called Thomas of Woodstock.
And you come across these little things, these jigsaw puzzles, and you think, what is that?
What does that mean?
Does it mean anything, that?
This guy lived at Woodstock Palace, and he's actually part of Aldous Huxley's lineage.
I mean, are you looking too... I always think, I'm looking too deep.
A bit like... We come across so many of these little silly things, I suppose they are, but... I don't know, is that too much of a coincidence?
Too much of a leap, that?
Well as EM Forster said only connect no, I I think look I I think that that there is there's got to be something in it because there are too many of these so-called Coincidences just just just let me finish my thing about yes.
Sorry about that.
Yeah modernism.
No, I don't we like digressions.
It's great that the person who Who acted as the midwife for the Wasteland, which was the great modernist poem, you know, T.S.
Eliot, the one that acted as T.S.
Eliot's sort of advisor and mentor.
was Ezra Pound but Ezra Pound also gave birth to or encouraged James Joyce's Ulysses.
So the two foundational texts of modernism in poetry and the novel were both brought about by the machinations of Ezra Pound who later became involved Slightly with sort of fascism.
You know, he was accused of being a fascist and so on and that but there's all sorts of weird stuff that we don't know about how that I think you should look into because it seems to me that these movements which are presented to us as organic are nothing of the kind.
It's all part of the the soil.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they are.
I mean, again, Tony Blair's grandma was called Celia Ridgway.
That's what she was called.
Right.
His maternal grandma.
Ridgway's not in the 30s, that's not in Springmeyer.
No, Ridgway isn't, but sometimes you've got to go further back and a lot of these are branches off from Springmeyer's.
It's like the Arnold family, Aldous Huxley's mother was Julia Arnold and the Arnold family are quite prominent in Academia.
In fact, Thomas Arnold was known to have invented stadium sports at rugby school.
Okay, so he's the only headmaster we've heard of from that era, really, isn't he?
Exactly, yeah.
He's a famous Arnold, but then there's quite a few authors and poets and things like that in the Arnold family.
Yeah, Matthew Arnold.
Matthew Arnold.
He's Julia Arnold's uncle, so he'd be Aldous Huxley's great-uncle, I suppose.
Yeah, but the Arnold family I think is mentioned in Springmeyer's book, the American side of it, because they became prominent politicians as well.
I think you're in Springmeyer, Dom, where I think As a branch off from another family, that's what I'm saying James, not necessarily a direct bloodline.
I think he described that sometimes the bloodlines have little bastard sons and they'll follow the bloodline, they'll continue to follow the bloodline.
Boris is an illegitimate bloodline, Cameron's were an illegitimate bloodline.
I think he described Clinton as one of them as well.
So their royal lineages were illegitimate, so it wasn't from either an affair or a secret woman on the side.
So you look at Blaise was the same, and then his father was adopted.
It's like they're all spied on Blaise.
I think, you know, look at Michael Gove.
Michael Gove, yeah.
They seem to be into that.
There's something about that side of it that attracts them to put these people into power.
I mean, Tony Blaise, I don't know if you watched that thing me and Christy did on Tony Blaire in his early years.
That was er... I don't know.
I felt... I actually felt sorry for Tony Blair.
What, the cottaging incident?
Well, before that, prior to that.
You were just talking about paedophiles, weren't I?
Yeah, he went to a school in, I forget where it was, in Durham first, that was two known paedophiles there, that was close to him as well.
They've been written about, and then at Fetters in Edinburgh.
where I think Nicky Campbell went to fetters so there's a big case going been going on and Tony Blair was around three of them and one of them comforted him while his father had just had a stroke as one-to-one and another one was giving him business advice Wasn't a teacher at Fetters, he was a Baron and he was involved in the Northern Ireland incident at the, what was it called?
Something Boys Club.
Oh, Kinkora Boys Club.
Kinkora Boys Club, yeah.
And he came over to Fetters school and Blair had one-to-one meetings with him.
Now, I don't believe that anybody can escape five people like that talking about predators.
And they called in Miranda at his training.
The lady, the two fat ladies, the cooks, Cassandra or whatever she was called, she was interviewed by, Clarissa that's it, she was interviewed by New Statesman I think it was.
And she said, well, what was Tony Blair like?
The interviewer said, what was Tony Blair like?
And I'll tell you who the interviewer was.
It was a sir named Wakefield.
It was Dominic Cummings' wife.
Mary Wakefield.
Yeah, I think she was interviewing her.
Her father's an interesting chap and all.
And she said, well, put it this way, he was more friendly with the T-boys than he was with the ladies.
And we called him Miranda.
They called him Miranda.
Why?
Why would they call him?
I loved Clarissa.
Yeah.
Was she there when you were there then?
I got to know her, I can't remember how, but I went with her or I I made a TV documentary once, oddly enough, in praise of the upper classes, which I wouldn't do now.
And one of the segments that never got used... It's good to have a CV, that, James.
And a sequel coming out, James.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm thinking that I get sort of associate membership of the Cabal Club.
I get sort of visitors' rights.
I went to the last ever Waterloo Cup in Aintree, which was the Greyhound coursing thing, which was a great event because it was one of those events where you get the mixture of proper pikeys and upper class, you know, it was a sort of real social mix and That's what they don't want.
The people who run the world don't want us.
Meeting like-minded folk from different communities.
No, no.
One of the happiest moments I've ever been to at one of my events was this guy comes up to me afterwards with his dogs, his lurch or whatever, and he looks, you know, he's...
It's obvious he comes from a sort of traveller background or whatever and he comes up to me and he's a fan and the reason he's a fan, or maybe he likes the stuff I spout, although he said he doesn't understand every other word because I talk too fast and too posh or whatever, but he said that the reason that he likes me is that I'm a hunting man and he's a hunting man and I'm sure he doesn't ride to hounds in fancy kit but
That's what I love about being where we are.
We're all humans from different walks of life and even though we have Lots of differences that we recognise as that we're brothers under the skin.
The silly thing is, we talk with a broad Yorkshire accent.
You'd think we're meeting up with Arthur Scargill's family every day and, you know, cooking his sausage bangers over a brazier with his donkey jackets on.
But I'm not like that at all.
I mean, I were a businessman, me personally, you know, and Chris has got small business running.
We're from a commercial background, you know.
But people you meet, The grounding is that you can meet anybody and have the conversation we've just had for the last hour and 40 minutes of A Light Mind.
It doesn't matter where you're from.
But, how many whippets and, um, racing pigeons do you both have, out of interest?
I've never owned a twippet, right, and I've never owned any pigeons.
Do you know what?
We did have a ferret.
We had a ferret, we had a ferret.
There were some ferrets, yeah.
It's funny, actually, someone at work, I work in a kitchen as well, Jim, someone asked me that, and I said, you know what, I don't think I've ever seen a whippet, or a pigeon in a...
Boys, they've taken away your culture and I think you should have fought harder to preserve it.
We've got another part of our culture as well.
We've got an African side of our culture.
Our grandfather was African-American.
Was he?
Yeah, he came over.
He wouldn't have been called African American then, he was what we'd call black.
I dread to think what he was called.
And he got funky with our grandmother, probably at some jant in Huddersfield.
He was stationed over here during World War II.
And he offered us some bubblegum, and one thing led to another.
Yeah, they got funky.
Put some good music on.
Give her a pair of tights.
So, have you tried to trace your black heritage back to its origins?
I mean, presumably... Yeah, we've met some of them, yeah.
Yeah, we've met... I mean, our origin go back to Nigeria and Sierra Leone, the west coast of Africa.
Yeah.
That side of it.
So, yeah, quite an interesting trail.
And what's it like?
I mean, do you...
You've been, what, to America or Sierra Leone?
No, they came over here.
One chap was quite keen on contacting... I mean, I'm useless at stuff like that, believe it or not, but he was quite keen on it and he's passed away now, sadly.
I got quite close to him, me and my missus.
Came and stayed in a few times.
He was a bollarded guy with a big grin.
He looked just like Dom.
He had the same mannerisms and everything.
He was quite freaky.
Was he completely black?
Yes.
Yeah.
What was weird, I'll tell you what was weird James, right?
Growing up in Yorkshire, in Huddersfield, for some reason I ended up having this weird lack of jazz music.
I still have, I still love jazz music.
In a small village?
In a small village in Outland.
And I used to go and rent, I tried classical music but I realised I liked jazz.
And I remember sitting there thinking, I bought a trumpet and everything, I wanted to learn to play the trumpet.
Then my, when I finally met our cousin, and this is only going back like eight years, massive jazz fan, knew all about jazz, and I remember sitting here drinking with him one night and I said, have we got any jazz musicians in our family?
And he just started reeling them off.
You got your uncle so who works on a boat and he just started reeling them off.
I thought, my God, did I somehow have that bug?
Wow, tune into this thing.
Bugging me.
How can that be genetic?
Do you have natural rhythm as well?
Not really, but I was playing him the most obscure jazz tune, just as a test, and he's going, all that so-and-so around 1969, and he knew everything.
And I thought, my God, how weird.
The strange thing is, my music, I used to like Chicago House.
I used to love Chicago House.
And obviously we're from Chicago, that's where our ancestors were from, unknowingly.
So all through the 80s and 90s I was Chicago house, and he was into jazz music, all Chicago jazz.
And we didn't know we were from Chicago.
At that point, no.
At that point.
I think you could call it Chi-town.
Yeah, Chi-Town.
Was it Chi-Town?
Yeah, something like that, yeah.
I've seen documentaries about Kanye.
Is it, yeah, Chi-Town?
I don't know, I don't know.
What's the most freakiest thing, James, that you've, over this last, because there's been a big download, hasn't there?
I mean, we're quite fortunate on Sales 3 that we, for some reason, we've been able to accept the download that's been given to us over the last four years.
Because even though I'd learnt quite a lot over the first 50 years, for argument's sake, the last three or four years, I mean, the download's been huge, hasn't it?
It's been the mind-blowing, accelerated, lunatic... I've left some people behind because my journey down the rabbit hole has been so precipitous and swift and deep that it's just like...
I don't know.
I mean, um...
I mean, it's all weird, isn't it?
It's like an acid trip.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Going back to Tony Blair and being called the Bavarian, his lineage goes back to the Habsburgs.
And the Habsburgs launched World Economic Forum with Schwab.
Which one was it now?
Anyway, one of the Habsburgs in 1971 launched Davos.
Yeah.
And Tony Blair's thick as thieves with Sir Klaus Schwab.
He's been knighted as Sir Klaus Schwab as well.
He's got an honorary knighthood as Sir Klaus.
That's a relief.
Who did that then?
Not our king, surely?
No, no, it was a few years ago.
It was the Queen.
Along with Sir Bill Gates.
Do you know what?
You asked me what the biggest shock... I think it's realising that the Queen was not... I was a monarchist and I thought the Queen was a goody.
And you know what?
I don't think she was.
No.
Nor Churchill.
Nor all these designated heroes.
Chances are she's got a statue of James.
I've even got my doubts about Mary Berry.
Yeah, Mary Berry.
Maybe her cakes aren't that good.
You see, there's another one.
I mean, Bake Off.
Sugar is poison.
Chris is a chef, don't talk to him about cooking about that.
He does his head in to these Bake Off programmes.
Well, no, what I find disgusting about those shows, and I think it is part of our demise, or what they want us to be our demise, is that they've taken the most wholesome thing that you can do for your family, which is cook, and not just cook, baking.
So baking's like what mothers do, and they've turned it into a horrible, competitive spot.
And I just think they've done that with everything.
They've even made a pottery one where that's competitive.
And they're always, you know, da-dum-dum-dum, all that horrible music and, you know, flashy images and just… It's just… I don't know, it comes across as all quite mean-spirited to me, even though it's done in a fluffy way.
Well, we've got to infiltrate competition into everything, haven't we?
When our mum used to cook in the farm on the agar, right, on a Sunday, making Sunday dinner, mixing the Yorkshire puddings up with eggs that we had from the farm, and we were having a Sunday roast of lamb or what have you that we reared on the farm, that was made with love.
You can't exchange that to a competitive game, trying to do the same thing.
Or buy a ready meal from Tesco's with Yorkshire puddings and roast beef in it, because it's not the same thing.
It's just dead.
They took that model of The Apprentice, didn't they?
Where, you know, people to get ahead in a bit, and they were encouraging people just to step on everyone's heads and just be as horrible as you can be.
And you'll get there, and you'll get what you want.
Yeah, but who wants to be there and who wants to step on people's head to get what they want?
It's just... Just make a scone.
Just make a scone, man.
It's a satanic, horrible version of what humans can be like but don't really want to be like and shouldn't be like.
Yeah.
I could very happily talk to you both for hours and then we should have a comeback.
We should do another one where we just ramble again for no purpose for ages.
It's been a long time in the planning, hasn't it?
It has.
You know, I've been quite flaky.
I spoke to you a few times on the phone.
We generally spoke for an hour.
We shouldn't have recorded the conversation on the phones really.
That's how me and Chris started.
I said I want to do a podcast where it'd be like me and you having a conversation, we just press record.
It's the only way.
Because it saves preparation time.
Yeah.
But I was just thinking of bringing it full circle because I've been thinking all that time we haven't been doing this podcast we've been planning it.
I've been thinking about your podcast and our relationship even though we've only met for the first time now and I was thinking I was thinking about that sense I had when I was a young man
a young undergraduate, an undergraduate, encountering these people who I didn't know but would one day be, well, what, the junior servants of the evil controllers.
And I always remember, even though I desperately wanted to be one of them, I desperately wanted to be accepted by them, there was something about me that they spotted which meant that I would never fully become one of them.
I would never be admitted to their circles and I couldn't think why.
I think, you know, I'm funny, I'm charming, you know, I can do all the shit, you know, I can wear Pocket check shirts that look like I live in the country and then I and I you know, I can I can even do country pursuits What what is it?
And it's only recently that I've been able to sort of venture an answer to this question.
I think it's one that you've been asking and maybe answer the same way, which is it does seem to be that there are out there these bloodline families which operate not just on a kind of lineage level, but also on a sort of supernatural level. but also on a sort of supernatural level.
In the same way that girls, women seem to have this ability to sniff out whether or not you're a suitable partner for them.
And, you know, they know whether you're right or not.
And they're not going to go anywhere near you if their sensors tell you not to.
I think in the same way, the bloodlines are very good at sniffing out one another and sticking to their own.
On a sort of snobbery level, but more than that, I think on some kind of psychic level.
That's some kind of energetic radar, isn't there?
Yeah.
That tunes in to each other.
And not only do they tune in, though, but they are in competition with each other.
They're like a den of snakes, aren't they?
Because these people will stand on each other, like you see in Parliament.
They'll stand on each other in a blink, you know?
Boris goes, Rishi will stand all over him, he doesn't care.
But two weeks earlier it was his best mate, or supposedly.
That's when you know it's just an act.
I hope this goes on at the highest, well I'm sure it does, at the highest level, these names of people that we, I mean, just, sorry, I'm dying for a pee so I didn't want to drag it on too long, but just going, how can there be people Who run the world, whose names we don't know.
They've all got... They're not shapeshifters.
They must have home addresses.
We know where all the big houses are, don't we?
Are there secret big... There can't be secret castles that we don't know about.
So we must know their names, mustn't we?
Well, we probably do.
I mean, the best form of hiding, really, is just in plain sight, isn't it?
The BBC probably tell a lot of truths, but because it's the BBC, we don't believe most of it anymore.
Do you think it is Mary Berry?
It probably is, yeah.
Who runs the world.
I had a thought a while ago.
Maybe Brian Cox?
That would be... It could be Brian Cox.
Nice leather jacket.
I had a theory a while ago, James.
It was in the middle of nonsense, I remember ringing Dom up and saying, you know, I've come up with a theory.
I think it might have even been Boris.
Some politician getting interviewed on Radio 2 or whatever.
When I was listening to it, I started to come up with a theory.
Maybe in their world, she's in charge, so the presenter has got more clout.
We're just told that the politicians are in charge.
Maybe the presenters, it's just an example and I'm totally making it up, maybe they're in charge or they're higher up the hierarchy than, for instance, Boris was.
Laura Kunzberg?
Or Trevor McDermott.
I don't know, it was just an idea.
Maybe their hierarchical system is totally different to what we understand.
On a scenario, I think you've got Nadim Zahawi, who's quite an odd fella to be in politics.
Yes, I know where you're going here.
An odd character, right?
He was chairman of Le Circle.
Yeah.
And LeCircle's that secret Opus Dei type, Gladio, et cetera, linked to all this.
Dom shouldn't be allowed to say LeCircle, by the way.
No, no, Yorkshire accent and LeCircle doesn't go together.
Yorkshire and French, just not a good mix.
And LeCircle.
Wasn't Paul Daniels in LeCircle as well?
Yeah, he probably was, yeah.
He had it on his head.
But Nadeem Zahawi's an odd character.
His grandfather, I think it's his grandfather, was the Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq Prior to Saddam Hussein getting in power.
So, going back to connections again, and he was, I think he was buried in Israel.
So, it was his grandfather.
How does that work?
Then he gets into power here and ends up doing tax fraud as well.
How does that work?
Yeah.
And gets away with it.
So, anyway, what we're saying to Chris was, maybe he's, being chairman of Le Circle, carries some prominence, doesn't it?
I would assume.
Maybe he's actually got more power underneath.
It's like the sergeant running the general.
If you remember, Christian mentions it in Damien in Omen 2, I think it is, where the sergeant comes up to Damien and says, we've been watching you all your life.
Well, we know you are.
We're here to help you, kind of thing.
And even Damien didn't have a clue what he's talking about.
He doesn't realise he's being watched.
Yeah.
I bet there's a load of stuff in those three films.
They tell us.
They tell us, don't they, in these movies.
Okay, so, to be continued, where can, meanwhile, where can people find your stuff?
If they want to look for us, we're at sheepfarm.co.uk.
That's sheepfarm.co.uk.
All those podcasts are there and released every Saturday.
And we're on Instagram as well.
We're in a little Instagram, sheepfarm.co.uk on Instagram as well.
Dom, Chris, I've loved talking to you, and if you've enjoyed watching this, listening to this podcast, I really appreciate your support on Patreon, Subscribestar, Substack, Locals, Buy Me A Coffee.
It's really good to help me along, because this is how I earn my living, obviously.
The mainstream isn't going to give me that blank check.
I want to be a Daily Mail columnist.
Why I regret not taking my jabs.
I want to be a Daily Mail columnist.
Yeah.
Why, why, why I regret not taking my jabs.
That would be my case.
Why I want turbo cancer.
Yeah, yeah.
Too right.
I bet they've never had that one before.
No.
Possibly didn't exist.
Didn't exist.
No, no.
Right, chaps, thank you.
I'm going to go and have a piss now.
Thank you, James.
It's been a pleasure.
We'll speak to you soon and congrats on a brilliant podcast.
Thank you.
Piss off.
I love it.
Thank you.
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