Godfrey Bloom is a former soldier, City of London fund manager, Brexit campaigner and Member of the European Parliament. He has published six books on military history and Austrian School Economics. His website is Godfreybloom.uk
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Welcome to the DellingPod with me, James DellingPod.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
I'm not even going to bother with the adverts this week because I'll explain why in a moment.
Godfrey Bloom.
Welcome to The Delling Pod, Goddess.
A great pleasure to be on.
Thank you.
I was going to say to you... Oh, I've got some chilli around my mouth.
I was going to say to you, I'm...
You may have to do more of the talking on this occasion because I've just come off a horse and I got bucked off and I whacked my head and I'm not sure whether I've got concussion or anything.
So I'm feeling a bit spaced out.
I'm fine apart from that.
But I thought I'd mention it to you because you are a hunting man yourself.
Yes, indeed.
I've retired from hunting now, one fall too many.
My wife broke her back in February, so I think she's quit the field, as it were.
Although she's rapidly on the mend, and might hunt next season.
But yeah, it's a dangerous game.
Well, it is, and that, of course, is part of the appeal.
I mean, all the people who do it are basically mad because they are... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, I'm so glad to have you on the Deling Pod.
I'm particularly interested in having you on, Goddess, because you're one of the very few people...
That I know from before I went down the rabbit hole, who seems to have gone down the rabbit hole with me.
I mean, you and I used to participate in... I think we met, didn't we, at a debate at Durham University?
At Cambridge, in point of fact.
Cambridge!
Yeah.
Cambridge.
Yeah.
So we used to be on the debating circuit and you and I were both kind of...
Brexity kind of people because they needed sort of a few token right-wing people to sort of say right-wing things, to counterbalance the left-wing things that the left-wing people say.
I don't know about you, I no longer believe in the left-right paradigm.
I think it was, these are all inventions by our controllers designed to divide us and give us the illusion that we have a choice.
Are you with me on that one?
Totally with you, James.
Totally with you.
It's been passé for years.
The divide in the country, and there is a divide, but it's not left-right.
It's state.
If you will, it's state on one side and the wealth-creating sector on the other side.
So it's sort of public sector versus the non-public sector.
That is your main divide.
It's not race and it's not age.
That is really your divide.
So left, right, left, right.
In fact, you and I would have been massively supported by the left 30 years ago for our viewpoints on things like compulsory spike protein, inoculate, all the rest of it.
We would have been regard, we would have been cheered by the left as well on the basis of our views.
I know.
I'd like to take... I've come around to realising that Wedgwood Ben, for example, was not necessarily the enemy of people like you and me that we thought on certain issues.
Exactly.
When I see his... We both wanted the same... We were both on the journey to the same place, but he wanted to take a different route.
But the end game, which was...
Real democracy for ordinary real people was the same.
I didn't see it at the time.
I made the mistake of not seeing it at the time.
But I never met him personally.
But certainly some of the things that he has said that I see now on YouTube, I agree almost 100%.
Yeah, and actually, while we're on the subject of famous lefties, Jeremy Corbyn.
I think Jeremy Corbyn was not so far off being as we thought.
Well, certainly.
I said, I was saying of Corbyn, when he was leader of the opposition, he has one ace in the whole policy, and that's to leave NATO.
And he was absolutely right in spades on that one.
Whatever else he might have said, he was right on that.
And incidentally, of course, he was a Republican.
And, which I have never been, I'm a monarchist.
But now, I'm still not a Republican, but I certainly don't want the House of Windsor.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely not.
No, no, no, no.
What was your moment of revelation?
Or was it a series of moments of revelation?
Actually, before you tell me, Goddess, For those who don't know who the hell you are, just give us a brief introduction to Godfrey Bloom.
Well, I was a city fund manager for many years, specialising in pension scheme investment, and I have a very modest military career.
Unbelievably modest and undistinguished.
But at least I did have my toe in the military pond, as it were.
You didn't repel the Chinese at the Imjin River or anything like that?
No, no, no.
I just missed that, I'm very happy to say.
But let's see, what else did I... And then, of course, I was ten years... I started with UKIP as a Brexiteer and I finished sitting in the Parliament as an Independent.
I fell out with the European Parliament and I did sit on the Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee and I also sat on the Environmental Committee.
Right.
So there was a long period of your life where you believed in politics because you wouldn't have been engaged in it if you hadn't believed in it.
It wasn't a game to you.
You weren't in it for the fame and certainly not for the money because you've made your money in the city.
Presumably now you think, as I do, that politics is just a sort of Punch and Judy show designed to distract us from the real issues.
Well, certainly I came into politics very late in life.
I'd never been a member of a political party until I joined UKIP because for one reason only, and that was Brexit.
I wanted Brexit.
I didn't want to be a professional politician.
I wasn't interested in party politics, which I find personally disgusting.
But politics with a sort of small p, as it were, with one thing in mind, and that was Brexit.
Most of my branch chairman and stuff like that up in Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire, which was my constituency, funnily enough, James, were old Labour.
Patriotic picture of the Queen on the parlour wall.
They were my chaps who did all the sort of hard work in the rain and leaflets and stuff.
Sort of the earth, patriots, and some of the nicest people I've ever met.
So what was your, you go back to my original question which I interrupted, what was your moment where you saw through all this?
Well, funnily enough, I was managing fixed interest in the city for a fund for a very prestigious investment house.
And I was asked to investigate in the late 1980s and early 1990s, I was asked to investigate the implications of what they called then the common currency, the euro, if you will.
And I researched that with a very high quality team that was with me.
And then I became a I was a guest lecturer for a year at Cambridge University on this very subject and suddenly it blew open the gates of the failures of Keynesian economics, the failure of politics, the failure of the Treasury for years and years.
One of the reasons was I couldn't understand Treasury forecasts.
I started in the city in 1967 and I left in 2004 when I was elected.
The Treasury have never been right on any forecast ever in my entire career which spanned 40 years.
And so that, I then suddenly thought, just a minute, I'm dealing with some of actually the most stupid and ill-informed people from both parties that I've ever seen.
And that thought, somebody's got to come in and sort them out.
Yeah, but it's interesting you use that word failure.
It seems to me that they've been very successful because they're doing actually what our overlords wanted them to do all along.
I think this idea that everything that's happening in the world is just the result of incompetence, of cock-up, is part of the illusion, no?
You make a very fair point, but I came into this pre-WEF.
I came into it Before the World Economic Forum.
And so that's one aspect of the thing.
And of course, you're right.
You'd certainly be right now.
Whether that was right 25 or 30 years ago, I couldn't say.
I think it was probably just incompetence.
But you make a very valid point.
I think they are very successful in destroying... Nobody could suggest that this government at the moment, under Sunak, isn't deliberately destroying our country and our culture and our economy.
It must be quite deliberate, mustn't it?
And America, too.
The United States.
And Western Europe.
And Australia.
Mass immigration, degradation of currency.
And of course, nobody will know better than you, James.
If you read your Gibbons, Decline and Fall, as I'm sure you have, we saw that the demise of the Roman Empire Was of course the failure to protect their borders and the degradation of their currency.
And if you've got those two things together, your empire will fall.
And of course, Britain is falling, America's falling, and the West in general is falling.
And we've come into a secular society.
We are now a secular society, thanks to the likes of Justin Welby and his ilk and his previous archbishops.
The churches are empty, so people have no moral focus either.
If you wanted a guaranteed way of destroying the country, you couldn't think of a better way.
Yeah.
Although, you think about on the church, Matthew Arnold was writing about the melancholy, long-withdrawing roar of Christianity in, I think he published that Dover Beach in the mid-19th century.
So the war on the church, It's not like Justin Welby has come in and become Archbishop and said, right, I know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to serve my Lord and Master Satan and I'm going to dismantle, you know, it's not like that.
I think this has been going on for much longer.
And with respect, you say, oh, I don't know how far back it goes.
The Trilateral Commission was founded, I think, in 1971 by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski.
They were the masterminds behind the World Economic Forum.
Klaus Schwab was headhunted by Kissinger, who was also on board with the Trilateral Commission, Essentially, the WEF was the attack dog of the Trilateral Commission, sort of the more visible face of it, if you like.
And it doesn't even go back to 1971.
It goes back way, way – you know about, for example, the Federal Reserve.
1913.
And before that, you know, you go back to look at what happened at the Battle of Waterloo, in the aftermath, with Rothschild, when he had 80% of the UK stock market, thanks to his early access to information about the result of the battle.
So, I don't think this is new stuff.
No, I didn't phrase it very well.
I wasn't suggesting it was new, I was suggesting it was never quite so overt.
Yes, that's true.
And politicised in so far as that we have a Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer, a Leader of the Opposition, a King, and the Archbishop of Canterbury who are self-confessed WEF agents.
That's where I think there's a new dynamic.
Yes, well I'd agree with you there.
But just to ask the question again, what was your sort of wake-up call moment that really made you realise just how bad things are?
I think it was when I delved down into the common currency and I saw the implications of a common currency and I saw the globalist root of the common currency and the more you dig down into that
The more you see the tentacles, I suppose, I suppose you might argue it was a Damascene conversion, perhaps, because in the city in the late 80s, my main commitment was to running a successful fund and doing what you do in the city and all that kind of thing.
So I didn't have any any focus other than that fairly narrow focus.
And the more you delve into the political dynamic, the more things you uncover.
It's a bit like when you go into a... If you're going into a new thing, like, let's say, for example, you're deciding that you want to delve into Wellington's Peninsular Wars, for example.
Yes.
It's only when you do one battle, then another battle, and then you see the commissariat implications, and then you see the geopolitical strategic implications of it.
You keep on... It's like peeling an onion.
You keep on taking off another skin.
I haven't been down the Peninsular War, rabbit hole.
What's the commissariat?
Tell me about that.
Well, they're the people who actually... Wellington was very good at making sure his soldiers and his troops had ammunition and food and warm clothing.
And here's a funny story.
One of his divisional generals was a man called Bob Crawford.
Black Bob, he was known as by the soldiers.
Black Bob Crawford.
And when you're fighting in a peninsular war like that under those circumstances, your food and ammunition is very important.
And the Commissariat General, whose name I forget, was very upset because Black Bob Crawford, he said to this Commissariat General, if you don't have it there by the day after tomorrow, I will hang you.
And he was in a hissy fit.
He went to see Wellington.
He went to see Wellington and said, Bob Crawford's threatened to hang me if I don't get the supplies there by Thursday morning.
And the Duke of Wellington's response was, Well, I suggest you do because he surely will.
I have to say, Goddess, that I used to take great delight in military history.
And for years I read almost nothing but books about military history.
And I've completely gone off War, I'm not really interested in war, because I now understand, as I did not then, that the wars are not these organic things that arise out of, out of, I don't know, sort of rogue characters like Napoleon or Hitler or whatever, and that they're baddies who need defeated.
That these baddies are created by people higher up the food chain, and that there is a class of people in the world, I call them the predator class, Which actually starts these wars and treats the whole world like their playground, like their game.
The First and the Second World Wars were engineered by these people.
They weren't because the Kaiser was a baddie or because Hitler was a baddie.
It was much more planned than that.
You're absolutely right.
And I came to the quite same conclusion, also as a military historian, indeed a published military historian, I'm also a graduate of the Royal College of Defence Studies in Strategy, and so on and so forth.
I came to this, again, the more you dig down, the more you realise, in particular, my particular area of expertise was the military side of the Great War, and I've led battlefield tours, I've given lectures, and relatively recently, and I'm talking about the last 10 or 15 years, I have been developing a
A theory, a hypothesis, how we could have stayed out of the Great War to the benefit of Europe, to the great benefit of our own country.
And I've given lectures on this.
I gave a lecture at the London School of Economics.
I've written articles about this, but you're quite right.
My dissertation at the RCDS was nearly every single war that's been fought was unnecessary.
And of course, the one that we're seeing in Ukraine at the moment is screaming unnecessary at us.
And of course, it's being run for the, as you know, and I know, and of course, most of our mutual subscribers know, it's for the industrial, it's the United States Military Industrial Congressional Congress.
This is about money.
This is all about money.
And so consequently, we know that now.
And because if you really drill down from the strategy and to the politics and the press of the day like Northcliffe in 1914, you realize that these wars are engineered by greater forces.
You're quite right in coming that assessment.
I didn't come to this understanding until probably 20 years ago.
Right, okay, but so what you're telling me is that you've been Not maybe deep down the rabbit hole, pretty far down the rabbit hole for quite a long time, which includes the period where you were a UKIP MEP.
Which interests me because I'm thinking, well, hang on a second, how can you have known what you knew and gone on doing, engaged in this system which is so corrupt and mendacious and a distraction?
What did you think you were doing in it?
Well, my Brexit angle, my interest in Brexit, came in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
And so I thought, if I could contribute something, it would be to get a referendum, which Enoch Powell said, when the British people understand what the European Union means, they will want out.
And I wanted to bring us to that thing.
And I thought, how can I help doing that?
And perhaps if I campaign for that referendum, which we were successful in getting.
Yeah.
Meaningless Brexit, of course, as we both know that we've got.
And interestingly enough, on my last day, which is 2014, or whenever it was, I can't remember, but round about then, somebody said, what you don't understand, Godfrey, is that You think everything's coming from Brussels and Strasbourg.
He said those days have long gone.
Everything's coming from the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, the IMF and all these others.
It wasn't long, it was a year or two before I suddenly realised that Brussels is yesterday's game.
It's yesterday's game, Brussels and Strasbourg.
But probably always, in a sense, it probably always was.
I think the European Union itself was a creation of these so-called elites, these same shadowy forces that we...
Everything we read about in the papers, everything that we sort of got emotionally involved in during Brexit, this idea that there was this kind of unaccountable foreign power, the European Union, exerting its supranational authority over our proud independent sovereign nation, that too was just part of the bullshit, wasn't it?
It was, and I suppose your implication that I can't refuge it in any way Well, Godfrey, don't you think you were a bit thick and slow on the uptake?
And the answer to that is, yes, perhaps I was.
No.
Well, yeah, but I'm guilty too, Squire.
I do feel that... I think it's harsh to judge one's former self because everyone...
I mean, most people now in the world are subject to mass brainwashing from the moment they're born.
First of all, they get told lies by their innocent parents who believe the paradigm.
Then they get educated.
So-called, at school and they get fed all this nonsense and then perhaps they get this bullshit, this turd polished and sprinkled with glitter at university and then they go out into the world and they go into places like the city which are so heavily compromised by the belief system of the cabal.
So it's no wonder people think the way that they do.
Nevertheless, I look back on myself and I think, how could you have been?
How could you have fallen for this thing?
How could you have gone to university debating societies and made these sort of gung-ho speeches about something which you should have realised was just a con?
Brexit was never a thing we were being offered in any meaningful way.
It was always part of this illusion that we have democracy.
In all fairness to myself, I did many interviews with people like the Mises Institute and so on and so forth, certainly back as early as 2004, 2005, on the subject of Brexit, saying that we would never actually get it.
We'd never get Brexit.
We wouldn't get it.
We would always have some form of associate membership.
So I got onto it quite quickly.
Especially as we had the House of Lords, the Civil Service, the House of Commons and the press nearly all in favour of Remain.
So I was quite sharp on that.
And of course, I learned a good lesson, as indeed you did too.
I was absolutely first on the climate hoax.
You know, my websites and everything.
I was well on to that.
I was on to the climate hoax when I sat on the Environment Committee in 2005, that the whole thing was fake science.
And of course, when they came in with their fake pandemic and their appalling experimental spike protein, when they came in with that, I was on that at the very beginning.
I was first in.
And so my wake up call cut across the board, you know, and I did wake up and I'm awake now.
God, I wonder whether you could maybe pull back slightly from your microphone.
You're popping quite a lot and I can't... yeah, I think... try that and see whether that works.
Is that any better?
Well, it's got... yeah, I'm gonna... it's got less interference.
Yeah, yeah, that sounds better.
Yeah.
Now, I've got to ask you, Goddess, because you've got inside information here, and I'm going to ask you to be indiscreet, which I'm sure you hate doing.
But for me, to go back three years, I thought one of the most shaming moments, and there were many shaming moments in the whole PSYOP, the so-called COVID nonsense, but one of the most embarrassing and flagrant, frankly, almost sort of Soviet levels of kind of mass manipulation,
was when we were invited to stand on our doorsteps, on a Thursday evening I believe it was, and bang our pots and pans for our NHS.
I don't know whether you participated in that charade, I hope you didn't.
No, I was disgustingly embarrassed by it.
My wife is ex-National Health Physiotherapist, long since in private practice, Equally horrified and embarrassed by it.
In much the same way that I was horrified by the outpourings of overt grief and heart on sleeve when Princess Diana died.
That was un-British.
That was the first.
It was un-English and I didn't like it one bit and I certainly didn't participate.
That was, in a way, a dry run, the death of Princess Di.
It was almost like they were testing us.
And you remember that arch manipulator and Satanist, Tony Blair, he coined that noisome phrase, she was queen of all our hearts.
I mean, actually, look, I'm definitely team Diana in that versus the royals, but that's a separate issue.
The way that the nation, which The country that supposedly invented the stiff upper lip behaved towards... It was extraordinary, wasn't it?
It was really... And it was a time when you could not question what was going on.
If you said, hang on, I think this is slightly over the top, all this mass hysteria, you would be... It was a bit like saying, you know, I'm a Nazi or something.
Oh, yes, but I was quite open about it.
I said at the time I thought it was disgusting and I'm a stiff upper lip man.
Yeah.
So I don't like all that kind of stuff.
And of course, then the Windsors came on TV and abandoned stiff upper lip and were booing all over the place, which I thought was highly embarrassing.
And I didn't like any of it.
And it was all ghastly.
And and I knew then that my American friends and my foreign friends of all sorts We're also equally horrified.
They were rather looked up to us for the stiff upper lip.
They rather admire that.
It looked at one stage like Colonel Nasser's funeral.
You know, I was wondering when people were going to throw themselves on a coffin and burst into tears and start slouching their wrists.
And I thought, you're Englishmen and women.
Get a grip of yourself.
Yeah, but we'll come on to...
Notions of Englishness and and because I guess I'm afraid I've lost faith in all that as well But I was I was steering you towards answering a question I go back to the doorsteps where people are banging their pots and pans and One of the most cringe inducing sites was was Nigel Farage Clapping like a like a demented seal for our NHS and
And I just, for me that encapsulated, it was the moment where I finally lost every last shred of a vestige, of a scintilla of faith that I might have had in Farage that he was in any way genuine.
That he's just a politician, he blows at the winds, he fulfils a designated role, he was never sent to save us, he never had any intention of saving us, of providing a genuine alternative to all the crap that was going on.
Am I being harsh in my judgement?
What the hell was he doing?
Well, I will remain discreet in these matters, but I left UKIP.
I left UKIP and sat as an independent.
And not a million miles away from some of some of what you've just said, fairly harsh, but I do.
I take your point.
My watershed moment for that really was his failure to support Julian Assange and come out with his relationship with Donald Trump and things he could have done that no other politician could have done to save The slow torture to death of Julian Assange.
That was an opportunity missed in my view.
But then, of course, all professional politicians are the same.
When the chips are down they don't really stand for anything.
Right.
Well, that's it.
You say I was harsh.
I don't think I am being harsh, because I'm speaking as somebody who genuinely... like a lot of people who voted UKIP or, you know, dabbled in UKIP.
I don't know if I've actually ever literally voted for UKIP, but there was a time, I remember, where briefly I attempted to be a UKIP candidate.
And I... do you know the story?
I vaguely remember it, yes I do.
Okay.
So I thought, you know, I'll spend a bit of time in the European Parliament enjoying kind of Mouffrit in Brussels and having a good salary and fighting and sticking it to these ghastly Eurocrats.
And it seemed quite attractive anyway.
So I had a go at the... I went along to this Are they called hustings, where you make stump speeches?
I went to this hotel in the East Midlands, and there were lots of candidates, and I turned up unprepared as always.
And people said to me, so have you got your speech ready?
And I said, what?
What speech?
And I hadn't read the instructions.
Anyway, so I delivered my 10-minute speech that we were required to do off the cuff, And in all modesty, it was one of the best speeches I've given because it was just like, you know, from the heart and it was, I hadn't prepared it, it was just, it just flowed and everyone loved it and it was great.
But I didn't get to the later rounds because apparently the psychological profiling, I failed the psychological profiling.
I think, how would you, how could you possibly I don't think so.
I think it was just that I was considered to be, you know, you don't want too many, too many stars.
And I think I, I mean, I think I would have been absolutely shit.
I would have totally hated it.
I would have been bored, rigid.
What am I saying here?
I believed in the values seemingly espoused by UKIP.
I believed in the idea that ordinary people ought to have a control over their country's destiny, that our politicians should be answerable to us, that we shouldn't be subject to nonsense like climate change Regulations based on junk science, and I wanted to do my bit to fight that.
And I thought that obviously the Conservative Party weren't doing it because they, like Labour, had signed the Climate Change Act.
Only seven MPs, I think, had not voted for the Climate Change Act.
And I'm thinking, hang on a second, there was nothing Conservative about it.
So I thought maybe Given that the main parties were not offering an alternative to the system, they were effectively one uniparty, then maybe UKIP were the answer.
When I realised that the leader of UKIP at the time is actually as big a fraud as any of them, I think I was entitled to feel pissed off and I'm entitled to be as rude as I am about Nigel Farage.
I don't see the point of him at all, other than as essentially controlled opposition.
How would you defend them against that charge?
Well, you've got to bear in mind that the UKIP, the first 10 years of UKIP, weren't anything like the second 10 years of UKIP.
Now, the first 10 years of UKIP, if you looked at the Constitution, it was libertarian.
The word libertarian was in it.
We had very good people who were exposing the climate hoax, like Roger Helmer.
Very, very good speaker.
And we believed in reform of currency banking.
Everything it was grassroots the whole thing was grassroots.
Okay, and they were good people and honest people and patriotic people now in 2010 when we sent back this is the key to this in 2010 when we sent back more MEPs than anybody else including the Conservatives so on and so forth.
All right, we sent more back now here.
I'm just going to give you one little phrase.
All right, the wolf of earning we were becoming We were becoming formalized.
We were becoming mainstream.
And so things like the climate hoax and immigration and so on had to be put mildly on the black burner.
And we had to somehow become part of mainstream because there were whiffs around of knighthoods and all these things.
Don't forget, I was right in the heart of it at that time.
Seats in the House of Lords.
There was all this kind of thing going on and we were shipping in, instead of promoting good, honest UKIP members who'd worked really hard, they were being kept out of the senior positions.
We actually recruited from the failed Conservative candidates who came to us because they wanted a home with none of our values.
Right!
This was the problem and I used to get down to head office in Ukip and meet people like, who's he?
Who's he?
I'm trying to get £10 out of old age pensioners in Yorkshire towards the party and there are guys sitting on there with £50,000 a year jobs that Nigel met in the pub.
Now you can't run a party like that and we didn't have a shadow cabinet when we went into the 2014 election.
You cannot fight a mainstream election without a shadow cabinet.
You can go bang, bang, rah, rah in a proportional representation job for the European elections.
You can't go to the people in the general election and be asked, who's your spokesman on national health?
Who's your spokesman on defence?
And say, never mind about that.
Let's go to the pub.
That doesn't work.
And consequently, we didn't get any seats.
As I said, and it's on my website, I had an interview with Andrew Neil after I'd left.
And he said, oh, you've left now.
You're sitting as an independent.
What's your view?
I said we won't get any seats because we've abandoned our grassroots and we haven't put a team in, a viable team.
And people were saying their heart's in the right place, but no, not on this election.
It's the wrong kind of election.
Right.
That's interesting.
But you said the whiff of vermin.
Did anyone in UKIP actually get elevated, if that's the right word, to the Lords?
No, and I knew they wouldn't, James.
I knew they wouldn't.
That was the naivety of the whole thing.
What, a bunch of dicks?
So you mean they compromised every last principle in order to get positions that never actually existed and were never going to happen?
Got it in one, James!
Oh!
What?
Do you know, my respect for that era UKIP, which was already like that, has just plummeted.
Don't associate, James, for one minute, the grassroots UKIP members and activists.
Yeah.
Best people I ever met.
It was the hierarchy that was degraded.
And I believe some, like the party chairman, again Nigel met in the pub, who was an ex-Liberal Democrat, who a lot of us were convinced was a covert government agent, because everything he did was bad for the party.
Everything, including the London Mayor election, by not actually being too late filing, Our UKIP candidate on the ballot list.
Who was that?
Crowther.
Can't remember his Christian name.
Crowther.
Yeah, you were about to say Leslie Crowther, who is... Yeah, I nearly did, didn't I?
Come on down, James!
Yeah, come on down.
That whoosh right over the head of anyone younger than us.
No, it was Crowther, and one or two others.
We had some very good people in you, Kit, who were turned away in the end and left in despair.
Maybe that was the period when I was considered to be not... Maybe my politics were considered to be unhelpful, because I was authentic.
Well, I can tell you, James, towards the end I was considered very unwelcome indeed.
My resignation was accepted with amazing alacrity.
Yeah, I know.
Well, you don't surprise me.
So, I look at them.
What are they called now, UKIP?
Do they still exist, actually?
They're still there as UKIP.
They're still geeking about.
Are they?
Well, what's the one that Richard Tice is in?
What's that?
Oh, that's Route 4.
Right.
So, what's their relationship to UKIP?
Well, none at all, except I think Nigel's president somewhere or something.
There's some connection.
You talk about controlled opposition, James.
This is your man.
That screams controlled opposition.
I mean, in the same way that Julia Hartley Brewer screams controlled opposition.
Yes!
Actually, I'm glad you've taken it in that direction, Goddess, because I...
I don't know whether I get stick exactly but let's say in my telegram channel for example there is division within most people on the channel are completely awake and but one of the great dividing lines is whether
X is secretly working for the enemy or whether it doesn't matter because he's a likeable chap and is putting out saying things that we like to hear.
And my line is the hardcore line, which is controlled opposition.
By definition, they will say some things that you like.
Otherwise, they wouldn't they wouldn't be able to fool you.
But the fact that they say things that you like to hear now and again does not mean that they're on your side.
What do you understand by control of position?
Well, yes, the soundbiter.
And they're all over Western Europe, and they're all over America.
I'll give you the classic case of the new Italian Prime Minister Maloney, whatever his name is.
Who talked a wonderful story on immigration, and as soon as she got in, reneged on the whole thing.
Now here's the key in my view.
Have a look at what he's been saying, or he or she has been saying for some time.
You can go onto my website and get speeches I was making 15 years ago.
Articles I was writing 15 years ago.
I haven't changed my view or opinion on anything.
So if I believe we should leave NATO, I was saying we should leave NATO 15 years ago and giving some very good reasons why we should and all these other things.
The soundbite for the coming election always produces your fraud.
But of course, who's more naive than the electorate in any country?
They're so naive.
Oh, he's talking.
He sounds all right.
I mean, Boris is a classic example.
Oh, I like Boris.
I think I like Boris.
What do you like about Boris?
And when another thing I was driving I was driving some old age pensioners to a charity dinner.
They were all blue rinse conservatives.
And I said to them, I said to they said, oh, I like David Cameron.
I like David Cameron.
I said, what is it you like about him?
And you know what the response was from a quite a wealthy blue rinse lady was he's got such a nice face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
This is the electorate.
How can you win with these people?
It's how Phineas Finn builds his entire political career on being a handsome, affable chap.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
People are very shallow.
May I say, God, there is a way I can tell that you are not controlled opposition.
Because there you are, sitting in your sitting room, in your old chair, clearly not in a high-tech studio, having really not done very well in politics, frankly, if I may say so.
Like me, you're in the backwoods.
And I think that it generally is a tell that anyone with Serious public prominence.
Anyone who gets featured on the BBC or, frankly, on GB News is pretty much controlled opposition.
Well, perhaps I must say something in my political defence.
In 2003, James, my constituency team consisted of my mother-in-law, a friend from the rugby club, and my dog, admittedly very unintelligent, Border Collie.
We had nothing and we had no money.
When I finished in 2014 under proportional representation in Yorkshire, I had 400,000 votes.
More than anybody else by a very long way.
So, yes, I would argue that it wasn't as unsuccessful as all that.
No, I think you're making a separate point, actually.
You're kind of agreeing with me.
I mean, I certainly wasn't dissing you, I was actually complimenting you.
That you are authentic, because if you weren't authentic, you'd have acquired greater prominence.
I mean, the fact that you got votes, yes, that's a good thing.
By the way, do you Do you believe anything we were told about Brexit?
I mean, do you believe that it was 52-48%, for example?
I don't even believe that.
You make an interesting point.
Certainly, we know the skullduggery of Cameron using £6 million, which was quite illegal, to actually canvass the country with Remain leaflets.
So we know about that bit of jiggery-pokery.
Now here's my take on this, because I think it's a fair question.
I believe that the establishment, Deep State, was so confident that they couldn't lose a referendum, given with the might of the whole of Deep State and the civil service and the media, BBC, everybody behind Remain, they just didn't believe they could lose.
Did they game the system?
I think they would game it now.
They'd game it now.
There'd be pallet boxes lost, there'd be electronic things, there'd be fakery.
I think, probably, I couldn't tell you, but certainly the reason they lost was complacency.
They just thought they couldn't lose.
They thought everybody would go with it and they didn't go with it because your ordinary Let me just tell you how this came to me, if you will.
I was getting the train from York to Selby to be picked up by my wife before the referendum in 2001.
It was 15, I think it was.
Something like that.
And the track goes past miles and miles and miles of small houses with little glass houses in the back, you know, and little patches of lawn.
And they'll have a picture of the Queen or maybe flying a Union Jack.
And when I drove past, when I was sat there on the railway train looking at that, I thought, we are going to win this because real people, all the real people, live in all these little houses with their little gardens and they're red, white and blue to their bloody knickers.
Yeah.
And they turned out.
And the thing that people told me when I was on the stump before the referendum, They said, Mr Bloom, I haven't voted in years, but here's a different situation here.
My vote will count this time.
You know, they have to count all the votes.
I'm not going to stay at home.
I'm going to go and vote through the rain, if need be, whatever it happens to be, because my vote will be counted this time.
And it never is.
It doesn't matter who wins, usually.
And that was the biggest difference we've had in British politics for a very long time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But let's move on from the nostalgia and move on to where we are now, which is... Who's calling the shots, would you say?
Give me your big picture of what's going on in the world right now, who the enemy are.
My take on it, James, is the politicisation, the deep politicisation of our civil service.
That would be my take, done under Blair.
Of course, the politicisation of the Crown Prosecution Service, the politicisation of our police force, not in the state of left or right, as we said when we came in and we started, not left and right, but statist and non-statist.
So, all the leaguers of power, and I sometimes give, if I'm speaking at a university or something, Imagine the British electorate of passengers on a train and they actually want to go to Scarborough on a sunny day.
It doesn't make any difference because the signalman and the man who runs the rails and the driver want to go to Manchester.
It doesn't matter.
The whole train wants to go to Scarborough and there could be 90% of the people on the train.
You'll go to Manchester.
Because they're the one controlling the, they're at the controls!
But look, the civil service that you're fingering here, they are the servants of somebody.
So who's, where are they getting their orders from?
Where are they getting their ideas from?
Well, from what I gather, from obviously, probably like you, I don't have many friends who are civil servants.
But I do have Some input from civil servants or people who work with civil servants who tell me these things.
But civil servants believe in the state.
They don't believe in any form of democracy.
They believe the state is right at all times.
So if you want to just take an example, the jab.
The jab.
I would suggest to you that 100% of civil servants had the jab.
Because it's a state thing.
The state says, get the jab.
And so consequently, get the jab.
Your butcher, your baker, your cab driver was very much more circumspect.
So if, who's negotiating trade deals and all these kinds of things?
It's the civil service.
Why are we so close?
Why have we not undone a single EU directive?
Even now, nearly eight years.
It's because the civil service make it impossible.
And your minister, Your minister didn't really want to leave anyway.
Your minister isn't a Brexiteer.
Theresa May wasn't.
Yeah.
Boris's name was fake.
I can't remember his name, Prime Minister.
Anyway, he's fake.
They're all fake.
So consequently, they quietly just let it go.
All we've done, of course, is remove our commissioners and remove our MEPs.
Everything else is jogging along side by side.
Let's look at immigration.
If you look at immigration, it's totally controlled by the Home Office.
They run the procedure.
WEF and the United Nations believe in an open border policy.
So that's not going to be interfered with.
Why?
I mean, I could stop this open immigration by Sunday week.
Because I'd mobilise the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines and I would tow them back.
But we don't.
We bring them in and we put them in first class hotels.
It's run by the Home Office, and if you look at the number of people in the Home Office, they're around about 40% immigrants as well.
They're recruited in that vein.
Sure.
You have the Minister is an immigrant from an immigrant family.
All these people, who is going to actually stand up and do something about it?
The whole machinations of state, and of course, you will know from this, I'm sure, although you're much younger, I'm sure you watch Yes Minister quite a lot.
Yeah.
If they want to foil you, if they want to foil you, if they want to stop you actually doing something, look when they wanted to unscramble.
The Sunset Clause idea of unscrambling these things, it was thwarted by the Civil Service.
Oh no, we can't do that, or we need more people, or we'd need a budget for it.
Every single Civil Service member voted Remain.
Every single man duck of them.
But I thought we'd agreed earlier on that the European Union is, in any case, a chimera.
It's a busted flush.
You mentioned that open borders is UN policy, but you just described a symptom.
Where is the UN getting this stuff?
Who's giving the orders?
Who's calling the shots?
Now, here's the question.
Apart from the ones we know, Who are manipulating the WHO, for example.
We know about Bill Gates.
We know about Soros.
We know about the Rothschilds, who have always had a hand somewhere for the last 150 years manipulating something along the line.
We know all these things.
And look at the unlimited budget, James.
The CIA budget, for example, is totally unaudited.
We have the Bill and Melinda Gates, billions and billions of unfunded Do you think, and I've spoken to ex-CIA guys on this, there isn't a single mainstream presenter on the BBC Channel 4 or Sky who is not in the palm of the hand of the CIA?
And if you, all you've got to do, remember when we had the Syria confrontation, they would say, oh Assad has jumped poison gas on Aleppo.
Andrew Neil would read that out as soon as it was released by the CIA.
Services.
MI6 or MI5 couldn't possibly have confirmed it.
It was read out as holy writ.
The same with Ukraine today.
It's CIA.
Washington and London are joined at the hip.
So it's pushed with no dissent.
There is no dissent.
So when you ask who's actually doing it?
Well, I think it's a sort of a great syndicate of amazingly wealthy people.
People behind the scenes whose name James we don't know.
There'll be people that we don't know, and then you look at Black Rock, and then you look at Vanguard, who control most of the world's worth.
Vanguard is not a professional, it's not a state organization.
It's a private organization.
We don't know who's on the board, do we?
We've got Malthusians, like the King.
The King is a Malthusian, and then we know that lots of other people were.
So some of these people have a spiritual A semi-spiritual view of cutting populations and global control.
These are the people who guide things.
Exactly who nailing actually who.
Well, my website shows on the WEF, it actually shows people who are sponsored.
There's about eight or nine people who we know who arrive at Davos and quite happily say, I'm WEF and we need to eat bugs.
But you're quite right.
There are other people who I don't know and you don't know and nobody knows.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Well, how... I agree that there are names.
I mean, the one name you haven't mentioned is Rockefeller.
And I think that the depopulation programs, the The global warming scare, that all goes back to the Rockefellers.
It seems to me that, I agree with you, that the world is probably run by a series of crime syndicates.
And they have competing interests, but they work in cahoots to crush us and destroy us.
And we don't know all the names.
How much do you think this is a spiritual war?
What's going on right now?
Are you interested in, do you have faith?
Are you interested in that kind of thing?
Well, when I say spiritual, I think perhaps I could have chosen a better word.
I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I think if you, if you pursue the concept of a secular society, of course, we all know the quote, if you stop believing in God, you stop believing in anything.
Yeah.
So there's no moral focus.
We are now a secular society.
France deliberately went to a secular society.
America, extraordinarily, the United States, is becoming a secular society, except in certain Midwest states.
So where is your focus?
Some people buy into this.
They buy into the COVID scan.
They buy into the climate hoax.
They buy into this because humankind, you probably have your own views.
They might differ.
Humankind needs something.
They need to hook into some belief system, and I think whether it's Malthusian or global governance, it's something that people buy into, and they can buy into the next level.
I mean, I think perhaps a study of the Italian Renaissance would actually give you a sort of an idea of how it actually works.
But certainly, I think that is the problem.
Well, I was only testing you.
I mean, I don't know whether you're aware of my position.
I'm a Christian and I believe that what is happening now is the last phases that we're heading towards.
Revelation and that as Paul says, the devil is the God of this world.
And that these people, some of the families we've named, are acting in the service of the devil.
But you don't need to believe that.
You can see it on the material level if you want to.
And it sounds like that's where pretty much you are.
But going back to your... I did like your point.
And maybe you can enlarge on it a bit about about everyone who works for the BBC and stuff is essentially working for the CIA I mean what do you mean that literally?
Well the the reason I say that is because it's only when I see Something that is CIA related Yeah, or could be CIA related.
So any form of military conflict or geopolitical implications Yeah.
The CIA are in there behind it somewhere.
Now, why would it not be challenged?
Have you ever heard a TV presenter or TV journalist suggest that it might not be safe, or even made the caveat it's an unconfirmed report?
Syria, Libya, the Horn of Africa, all these things, Ukraine now of course absolutely in particular, there is no dissenting voice.
And if you actually then look at the fact That the CIA have a massive, unaudited budget and they actually say themselves, or recently retired CIA people, say there is no, there's nowhere we don't have these people in Western Europe and America in our hands.
How can it not be so?
And every man has their price.
I'll give you an example for that.
Just a couple of days ago, Ben Wallace, for example, Ben Wallace wrote an op-ed, about 900 words I think it was, quite definitively telling us that with one last push the Ukrainians were going to win the war, push the Russians out of the Crimea.
And all this kind of thing.
It was just... I've read that piece every day.
If we gave them another three billion, if we gave them just a little bit more... Now this, of course, and I speak as a military geopolitical strategist with some knowledge and still some connections, incidentally, and still some connections, deep buried.
This is inherent nonsense.
This is utterly stupid.
And it comes from a guy who was our defence minister until quite recently, who just recently asked for another three billion.
And what was Boris's parting shot when he left?
Stay close to the Americans.
Alright?
If you remember what he said, you could find it on YouTube, his final speech.
I'll give you one last tip.
Stay close to the Americans.
Are you telling me he wasn't paid to say that?
And so who could have paid him?
And who would know how to pay him that it had no audit trail?
That's an interesting... Actually, that's a really interesting subject you raised there.
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes here!
Okay, so the degree to which our news people and our politicians, because I mean I have lost all faith in the mainstream media, I think it's deeply corrupt.
To what extent do you think these people are paid by organisations like the CIA, like MI6 and so on?
I think a very significant number, and that's by the CIA's own admission.
But let me give you an example of this when I was in The European Union.
When I was on the committee, let's take, I think I was on a consumer committee.
I was on a consumer affairs committee.
And the committee was saying, oh, there's too much salt or too much sugar in sugar pops.
I think it was something very much along those lines.
Now, the lobbyists from Kellogg's came to see every committee member to say that we take it very seriously.
But they know if you have to change the flavor, you could lose the market.
Kids like the sugar or whatever it is in Coco Pops.
And the market's worth a billion dollars.
So what do they do?
They don't say there's an envelope for you with a nice big fat cheque, we'll pay it into your Swiss bank account.
That's yesterday's game.
That might work today in Belarus or the Ukraine.
You can't do that in Western Europe today.
So what do they do?
They say, Mr. Bloom, and I quote from this, this has actually happened, Mr. Bloom, Kellogg's take it extremely seriously, the health of our products.
And what to prove to you, we'd like you to come to California to see our Kellogg factory, all our factories, meet members of our board, we'll fly you across, first class, and we'll put you in a top hotel, and you can stay as long as you like, bring your wife, and if necessary, bring your family.
And the buses going off there, the EU buses, you know, the chauffeur-driven cars, We're full of MEPs taking up because they were so seriously worried about sugar and cocoa pops.
It's that kind of bribery.
It's that kind of bribery.
And because an MEP, you could buy an MEP for small change, don't forget.
Andrew Neil would cost a lot more.
Andrew Neil is a rich man in his own right.
But he still let out these CIA press releases unchecked.
What does it tell you?
Is he naive?
Is he stupid?
Or is he on the take?
You'd have to ask Andrew Neil.
Well, I suppose that there's another... I mean, without, sort of, libeling anybody, including... It's not to say that he's slander or libel.
I'm not saying he is.
No, no, no.
But I'm saying, why would you do that?
Why would you read these things out, unchecked?
It's good.
By the way, I've just been reading this.
My chiropractor says, in case of possible concussion, avoid any unnecessary stimulation, screens, music and multitasking.
Anyway, I'm glad, I'm really glad that you, I like the, because I wasn't sure where this conversation was going to go, because you are, you are a fund of insider knowledge, and we are comrades in arms, but I recognise that there are some areas which are of less interest to you than others, and I want to get the best out of you.
And I think that this is a really interesting tack you're taking there, which is that I've been
I've become curious in the last two years, two or three years, about how it is that these horrible, horrible people up on the top are able to manipulate the lower downs to effectively act against their own interests, to effectively act against the interests of their families, of their future, because nobody wants a world where we have to live in
15 minutes it is and eat bugs and yet there are, or be coerced into taking these kill shots from the state for a bug that's just no worse than flu if it even exists.
And yet...
Across the mainstream media you've got, whether you've got the BBC or Channel 4 people or even the sort of the fake alternative news like GB News and talk radio and stuff, they are all essentially Pushing an agenda, either by omission or commission, which is going to be deleterious to their interests.
So how is it that these people are persuaded to say things like, we need to carry on this war with Ukraine, which is bankrupting our country and is killing lots of Ukrainian, wiping out the Ukrainian boys of conscription age, and devastating the country, completely unnecessary, absolutely pointless, we're not going to win.
They won't admit this.
So how do they do it?
So one is, as you suggested, sort of bribery or sort of semi-bribery through holidays.
Another is this thing, the Overton window, the idea that there are certain things which are unsayable.
And I noticed this very much.
I mean, look, there are things, for example, Julia Hartley Brewer would never say.
Julia Hartley Brewer is never going to say, these vaccines aren't really vaccines.
They were produced in advance of the alleged COVID virus being discovered.
They're basically kill shots, or they're designed to sterilise.
They're designed to enrich big pharma, and they're completely unnecessary, and they are pure evil.
You're never going to get Julia Hartley Brewer to say that, even though any intelligent person ought to realise that this is so.
So, is it possible that these people haven't been bribed, that they're just conscious that if they say any of this stuff they're going to lose their job, so it's the same thing, it's about their livelihood?
Sorry, long question.
Well, you would have found the same thing, I'm sure.
I have found people who are hitherto fit, from the hunting field, who really have never been ill, horsey people, Quite strong people, tough people.
And because they're middle class, generally middle class, and I think you'll agree there is no more stupid genre on the planet than the English middle class, because they believe anything.
And if you don't believe me, go to Tate Modern and listen to their conversations.
They think a turd on a blanket is art.
So these people are incredibly stupid.
So these people never join the dots.
And I've got four hunting friends, Who all now have myocarditis, and they won't join the dots.
They will not associate with the dots.
They've all had three or four on a booster.
They will not come to that conclusion.
So that's, if you like, the middle ground.
How can Julia Hartley Brewer, who was selling, selling the vaccine for three years on her program, selling it, how can she suddenly say, oh, sorry, what a terrible mistake I made.
It's a whole heap of shit.
Well, at least if the actuarial statistics are right, and let's say she's got a million listeners, I don't know, if 10%, she's got a thousand people who've been seriously injured, but how is she going to ever say, good, it's not a bit of a bollock there.
These people aren't going to change their mind.
There's too much political capital.
There's too much political capital.
And of course, certainly if she had suggested that you shouldn't get the shot or it's untried or it's untested.
She would certainly have lost her job immediately.
And she would have given any chance, which is her real, which is her real ambition to become a Conservative Party MP.
That's her ambition.
And so consequently, she'd have blown that out of the water.
So she goes with the flow.
Yeah, because I think it's not as simple as they're all on the take.
I'm interested in, as a Christian, I'm interested in how sin works and how evil works and it seems to me that it's not... Very few people, unless they're absolute psychopaths, set out to do evil.
Everyone's got a moral compass and it seems to me that It's an incremental process.
You know, you're invited to sort of, you know, it starts by maybe fiddling your expenses.
I certainly used to claim for lunches.
I used to lunch my girlfriend and claim it was lunch with contact, you know, my early days as a newspaper diarist because they were much more generous in those days.
But I think that people sort of Yes, it isn't, as I said.
I'm not talking about money in a brown envelope or a Swiss bank account.
You're quite right.
another step and so it's not necessarily the case everyone is literally in the in the pay of the cia however i think you've made a good point that that that there is a lot more sort of corruption money about than is generally acknowledged yes it isn't as i said i'm not talking about money in a brown envelope or or swiss bank account you're quite right that's a very small part that's a
But I tell you, have you ever seen the film The Accountant with Hugh Grant?
No.
It's a film where he's a perfectly straightforward accountant, a good guy, a nice guy, clean cut guy who's an accountant.
And he gets sucked in to be an accountant unknowingly for the Mafia.
And then gradually, gradually, he suddenly realises he's an accountant for the Mafia.
By this stage, he's too far in.
He can't get out.
He's too far in.
And in the end, he embraces it because he's making lots of money living in a big house.
He's got a wife and kids and so on and so forth.
He didn't start out a bad man, but he got sucked in.
And I think Julia Hartley Brewer was sucked in because she doesn't understand anything about and made no worse.
She didn't make any effort at the beginning to find out exactly what this so-called vaccine, which isn't a vaccine, was.
Now, I don't go on TV.
I never do anything unless I've researched it, because I'm a boring geek.
If I don't understand it, I don't go on the show.
Or if you ask me a question that I really don't know anything about, I'll tell you, James, I'm sorry, well outside, above my pay grade, don't understand it.
Now, these presenters have no training in things like risk assessment.
They don't have any training in anything at all on how to deal with it.
So she bought into it.
Once she'd bought into that, Once she'd bought into the concept of jabs and boosters, she couldn't get out of it.
She couldn't back out.
So she had to go on to this day, to this day, going with it.
I suspect now she won't go with it, but I still don't think she would interview, for example, where's her interview with Andrew Bridgen?
Yeah.
Or, well, she'd never have Mike Yeadon on, would she?
No.
So what's she doing in journalism?
Well, yeah, but you see that remark is the sort of remark that I would have made when I believed that journalism had a function which was to speak truth to power.
I think that was always an illusion.
I think the media has always been controlled by...
Or pretty much.
Somebody sent me a really, really interesting essay, which I can't go into here, on Lord Northcliffe, I think it was.
Is that the father of the Harmsworths?
Yes.
And what happened to him when he tried to oppose the Israel project?
Do you know about this?
I didn't, no, but I do name him quite a lot in my thesis on the Great War.
Worth doing some background on.
I will, I'll look up on it.
I've gone so far down the road.
One of my favourite, no, it's not my favourite, I love all my podcasts, but I did one where I discovered that Winston Churchill Far from being the national hero, was an absolute, you know, was pretty much the man, the tommy gun wielding thug of Nazi propaganda.
He was a really nasty piece of work and a 33rd degree mason and a druid and in touch with, probably demonically possessed.
Have you gone down that particular rabbit hole yet?
Let's put it this way, I'm a big fan of Professor Norman Stone.
Right.
And I'll go no further.
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a bit scary, isn't it, when you sort of realise that everything you were brought up to believe about the world, and you thought you were an educated person who knew what was what, No, no, no.
thing was you'd been conned you thought you were so bloody clever and you weren't I mean did you go to a fancy university as well godders no no no I went straight into the city and did my professional exams oh well lucky you I mean I you know I spent probably my first 20 years after university thinking la de la de la la de da I'm a clever fellow because I went to a to a potter university being educated with the brightest and best and I know what's what and I hadn't a bloody clue
I I know um and this is a it's it's fascinating um but then here's the point I don't know whether you'd agree with this I don't think that's quite fair on yourself or anybody else because you would be 20 21 22 years old right Yeah.
I don't believe your brain has matured at that age.
No.
You don't know how to think, how to critically think, where's your critical thinking?
Where is all this, when you've been brought up this?
And of course, don't forget, as Goebbels, I read the other day, or quite last year it was, in point of fact, an autobiography of, a biography rather, of Joseph Goebbels.
And it's fascinating, his tenets of propaganda.
First of all, no dissent.
Dissent must be cut off.
You mustn't have dissent.
And it must be stifled completely and totally, as is our hostility to the Ukraine war.
They've cut off Russia today.
We're not allowed to hear any other point of view.
So you cut off dissent.
You repeat the one main theme.
And you go on repeating it until it's received wisdom.
Case in point, of course, is man-made global... It's repeated and repeated.
And then you put it in schools.
And here's an interesting point that you might not have known with Goebbels.
He said, it's helped if you could get celebrity endorsement.
That's fascinating.
It was written in 1935.
Or that quote was 1935.
Exactly what we're facing today.
He was the master genius of propaganda.
And we're facing that.
And the change in propaganda we saw, if you think the Vietnam War, go back to the Vietnam War and the Americans in the 60s, they didn't learn the lessons of Goebbels.
They allowed dissent.
There was dissent against the Vietnam War in some of the media and some of the universities.
When they started their empire building post-Vietnam, they weren't going to let any dissent happen.
There will be no dissent.
So consequently, there's no protests on the campus.
There's nothing happening.
The kids at universities are doing what they want.
They want a 2-1.
And they want their snout in the trough in the city or a job at the civil service with an index-linked pension.
This is what the kids of today aspire to.
They're not the kids of my generation.
They were all my generation, all this ban the bomb bollocks and stuff like that, which was ludicrous.
They went out on the streets if they believed something, but that's not what happens now.
They don't believe anything.
Although, just on the Vietnam War, this is a vestige of the period where I was interested in war and stuff.
You know how they helped, the equivalent of that trip to California to stay in that all-expenses hotel?
You know what they used to do to war correspondents?
If you were a war correspondent, you were automatically given the honorary rank of Major.
You've got a guaranteed place, pretty much, in any helicopter travelling back and forth to the front, provided, I presume, that it's somewhere that they wanted you to be.
And you can see why, as a war correspondent, you might become invested in the kind of American war machine.
Because, I mean, hell, it's pretty cool, isn't it, being to ride in the chopper with the rank of Major, when you've done nothing to... You haven't been to boot camp, you've just got to...
Yeah.
I was going to ask you something else, which was inspired by where the conversation was going, and I've completely forgotten.
What were we talking about before that?
Well, just a word on that.
Talking about war correspondence, with my military history interest, I can tell you that the Second World War military correspondents were right at the front.
And the cameramen, as you can see from the clips, they were right at the front, and some were killed.
The World War II military correspondents, and they were absolutely kings of their trade.
Now in Iraq, and places in Afghanistan and things like that, I was out in Afghanistan on a trip a few years ago.
Anyway, I won't bore you with the details.
Your correspondents, let's say for Ukraine and the Russian Federation conflict, the war correspondents do not leave the hotel in Kiev.
They do not leave the hotel in Kiev.
They get a press release written by the CIA given to the Ukrainian government.
The Ukrainian government or military gives it to the war correspondent and they file it back in Washington or London.
That's exactly what happens.
There's nobody near the front line.
They won't go near the front line because they're not old school.
Why would they get their head shot off when all they need to do is send back a press release?
It's self-preservation.
These people are not war correspondents.
Yeah, I've heard this rumour.
Where did you get this one from?
Oh, I got it from a chap who was out there.
A friend of mine who was out there.
No names, no turnpike job.
I get stuff.
I get stuff, I can't give names.
I remember what point I was going to make.
You mentioned Goebbels and the importance of suppressing the counter-arguments to all intents and purposes, as if the argument has been won.
I remember about 10 years ago when I was fighting the climate change wars and calling out the bullshit, saying there's no evidence for man-made global warming at all.
It's just made-up stuff.
Whatever the scientists say, it's based on computer models.
It's not on observed data.
They fake everything.
They fake the weather station readings.
They're exaggerated by the urban heat island effect.
And when the urban heat island effect doesn't do its job, then they just rewrite the data.
They skew the data so it says what they want.
They torture the data till it screams.
So I was saying all this stuff.
And I remember I was trying to earn a living As a freelance journalist, and I would have been very happy, very happy for an oil company, say, to pay me to promote, you know, to tell the truth about it.
But the oil companies weren't interested because they were too busy kind of greenwashing their image and trying to suck up to people like George Monbiot and sponsoring the Guardian and stuff, because that's how the world works.
But I remember I got this gig once.
Yeah, I probably got paid about 200 quid to go and speak at some, what was it?
It was something to do with the supermarket or the retail trade and I was giving them a talk about global warming and stuff and I was saying, look, what you've got to realise is that any moment now,
The truth is going to be exposed because people like me, I mean you know I'm a lone voice at the moment, well there's me and Christopher Booker and a few others, but soon this scam is going to be blown wide open because there is no evidence to support this notion that That man-made global warming is heating the world at unprecedented levels, that we must do something now.
It is absolute rubbish.
And you need to factor this into your future marketing.
This sustainability nonsense, it's going to be old hat anytime soon, because there's no evidence to support that.
And I believe this at the time, because I believe that we lived in a system that wasn't completely rigged.
What's happened since?
In fact, dissenting voices like mine have been...
Effectively extinguished.
You can't even get pretty much dissenting articles in the newspapers.
Or even if you can, they are always prefaced by an acknowledgement that man-made global warming is a problem and we need to address it.
And it's all just a question about the methods we use to deal with it.
Or, yes, some of it may have been exaggerated.
But everyone in the mainstream media and the fake alternative media, I think, like GB News, they They take it as red, and they tell their audiences that it is to be taken as red, that man-made global warming, that climate change is a problem.
That is Goebbels-like in its crushing.
They didn't need to win the argument.
All they needed to do was completely crush the opposition with money and a biased, dishonest media.
This is quite right, because if you think about it, it was a very interesting book.
On Goebbels because what they couldn't afford to have is let's say that you they got you got on and you sowed a seed of doubt and you sowed some charts and it would only take you 30 seconds to talk about the Minoan warm period, the Roman warm period, the medieval warm period, the, you know, the mini ice age and show one chart.
You could do it in 30 seconds.
You could debunk it.
It's the easiest.
Fake theory to debug in under one minute.
But of course, you're not allowed to do that because Goebbels understood the last thing he wanted was the ordinary Joe going to the pub saying, do you see that bloke Denningpole last night?
Do you reckon it's all load of bollocks?
Because I think it's a load of bollocks.
We've been listening to 30 years.
What is it going to happen?
I mean, July was freezing.
That's your working man.
Your working man cannot have anything on which to hang his hat.
It has to be one argument and one only, which is why they got rid of anybody who didn't buy the global warming theory, of course.
They replaced anybody with a scientific background with Roger Harabin, who of course, at the BBC, was a climate activist.
They only interview climate activists.
That little Swedish pixie girl, who I've always forgotten her name, Greta Garbo or something.
I think she's a man.
Hmm?
I think she's a man.
Is she?
Well then, my God, don't go down that route.
That will really start something else.
I mean, clearly, if somebody turns off her teleprompt, she's toast.
And when the Prince of Wales, as he then was, came to address the Environment Committee when I was on it, about 10 years ago, 12 years ago, It was very, very strictly controlled.
He gave us the doom and gloom, we're all going to die unless we do something for 30 minutes.
We were not allowed to ask questions, or interrupt, or do anything in any way.
He came, he delivered it, and he went.
And of course, the king as he now is, is very difficult for chaps like us.
Not my king.
I mean, is he stupid and gullible?
Or a really nasty piece of work and a crook?
I don't know.
What do you think?
Well, I have to say, Goddess, when you were talking about how you weren't a Republican, but you certainly weren't a Royalist...
I think that the royal family, in fact the royal families, are a rabbit hole that might repay further investigation.
I used to think... I used to be a monarchist during the Queen's reign, but now I think the Queen was wrong as well.
I think this goes back a long way.
They are ten acres of bad terrain.
They really are.
They're just... No, I'm not...
I won't have a good word said for them.
I think that they are wrongans.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
I'll tell you what else.
This is part of talking about psyops, the way that the masses are.
What is the narrative that has been fed relentlessly to us about the Royal Family?
It's that they are slightly on their uppers.
You know, the Queen is always worried about, was always worried about the heating bills and was going around Buckingham Palace turning off lights.
They are out of touch and constantly seeking to find ways of being relevant to the public.
And we have that charade with the, it's a royal knockout and stuff.
We have this thing called a constitutional monarchy, whereby the Queen is allowed to advise.
What's the phrase?
I can't remember.
You probably know about it, probably in Batyut or something.
The Queen is not allowed to take, or the King is not allowed to take a direct role in the running of the country, but is a kind of a sort of A gentle presence, a sort of steering committee, if you like.
Whatever.
What I'm saying is that we are fed these notions about the royal family, which are part of the illusion.
They are much, much richer than they let on.
They are much, much more powerful than they let on.
And they're much, much more evil than they let on.
I don't think they're Christians.
For a start, I don't think they believe in God.
Or rather, they don't believe in God as the mighty force that should govern us and that we should revere.
I think they see him as the enemy.
That's where I am.
I don't know whether you saw my spoof interview of His Majesty that came out last week.
I did a spoof interview and one of the questions, I put all these questions to him, I put half a dozen questions, and I said to him, We are now living in a secular society.
The churches are empty.
And I've got to ask you this question.
You're head of the Anglican Church.
Do you believe in God?
Are you a religious man?
Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?
And of course, I did the spoof answers.
And I said, I don't believe that your Archbishop of Canterbury is a Christian.
And I think he's a chancer, a dodgy dude.
And I don't even think your Archbishop of Canterbury believes in God.
And the spoof answer was, I don't want an Archbishop who believes in God.
Look at the trouble Henry II got into.
At least Henry VIII could actually chop their heads off or burn them at the stake.
He said, I can't do any of that.
He said, the last thing I want is an Archbishop who believes in God.
He might not let me carry on my wokery.
He might actually start asking me what the Bible might say about these matters.
And so I actually picked up on that point.
No, you're quite right.
The reason we live now in a secular society is quite deliberate.
But now here's another interesting thing.
How do you explain this?
And I can't explain it.
My wife pointed out something to me this morning that said the Pope himself is talking about the Catholic ways releasing their relistance or getting rid of their resistance to same-sex marriage.
That's the Pope.
That's the Roman Catholic Church.
How did that get there?
I mean, how did he get there?
I mean, they used to be, I know there was Vatican II and there was these things that changed, but the Roman Catholic faith is no hiding place these days either.
And if we go back, and you mentioned quite earlier, these matters going back to the mid 19th century and the late 19th, early 19th century, of course, what is interesting, isn't it?
The growth of Methodism.
The rapid growth of Methodism.
In the 1800s, because people got fed up with the Anglican Church and just looked at the suburban middle class at prayer on a Sunday.
And Methodism and those wonderful buildings that you see in Wales and parts of the north of England.
Methodism was very, very important because people actually brought themselves back to the Christian faith.
Now, the question is, will that come again?
Because people are looking for something.
At the moment, they're wasting their faith.
They're wasting that kind of part of humanity on climate change and other useless things.
They might come back to Christianity.
All they need is somebody to bring Christianity to them in its original form.
And you don't actually need clerics to do that.
Well, yeah, I'm with you on that.
Have you read Somerset Maugham's Of Human Bondage?
Yes, one of my late sister's favourite books.
So you remember the hero, Philip, he's orphaned and he's brought up by, I think, his uncle and aunt.
His uncle is a vicar, a very, very lazy, lazy vicar in Whitstable, although it's been fictionalised as Blackstable, cunningly.
And I remember this is presumably based on Morm's own childhood.
That this Church of England vicar will shun the local Methodist in the streets because he's the enemy, he's the opposition.
I can see that.
I went to morning service in one of our local churches on Sunday and there were eight people there.
All but one of them older than me.
And we had the liturgy, we had the Book of Common Prayer, which was nice.
But I was thinking, what is the Anglican Church really offering anymore?
And I wonder how many of these people are there out of habit out of uh because it's what what one you know what what a certain generation used to do on a sunday so they were they were they were maintaining a tradition but how many of them actually believe in in in christianity and how many of these people took the vaccine i i suspect most of them did well of course
and then what an opportunity the church had before lockdown to keep the churches open and for the vicar to actually say if i die of covid that's god's will i'm I'm here for my flock.
And they didn't.
They ran away, masked up, and all the rest of it.
It was the most appalling piece of cowardice I've ever seen in the clergy.
And consequently, they had an open door there.
They could have actually brought people back to the church.
And they didn't do that.
They closed the church.
So even the few people that still go, stopped going.
And who preaches?
Who knows how to preach?
You know, you go there and getting ordained now for the Royal Anglican Church, they're desperate.
Some people have got four parishes because they're the only person prepared to do the job.
Well, also, I mean, they get paid something like £25,000 a year, I think.
Obviously, it's not a calling that should be dependent on money, but on the other hand, that's wrong.
Nobody can have a family on... How are you going to attract...
People.
To the church.
When you're going to expect them to live on a subsistence wage.
When, simultaneously, you are spending loads of the church's money on stuff like slavery reparations and green initiatives.
It's just... All the churches, I fear, or almost all of them, have been infiltrated by the enemy.
But it's everywhere.
It's not just the church, is it?
It's all the institutions, the military.
It's everywhere.
It is everywhere post-war.
And, you know, I think the rot, you know, you could argue, historians, you and I could argue when that started.
In much the same way, we could argue, when do you actually get a head of beer as you travel north from the south?
Is it Northampton?
Is it Leicestershire?
I've often wondered where that's actually started, that sort of funny thing where up here in the North we love a decent head on our beer, on our glass of ale.
It's imperceptible.
When did it happen?
When did we lose that?
When did society lose that?
I certainly believe that we lost an awful lot of our heritage with the invention of welfare.
When the state took responsibility, By taking money from some family and to give it to another family.
Very often the less worthy family.
1945, that's when things started to actually go down.
And I think you can trace it to welfare.
That's one of the things.
There's probably lots of other things as well.
But welfare, the concept that the state will look after you regardless of whether you work or not, which incidentally was nothing to do with beverage in 1943.
That was not the concept of the welfare state in 1943.
It became the concept in the 1950s, and it's the concept today.
I still think my take on this is you're still using slightly the language of the normie paradigm, which is that these are the sort of things that I might have written in kind of trenchant articles for The Spectator or whatever, say, tracing it all back.
I think it goes back way further than that.
I think we're talking at least Babylon.
But certainly more recently we're talking 1660 and before that we're certainly talking the era of Francis Bacon and the whole sort of mysterious occultist Tudor court.
I think when you talk about, I blame it on the welfare state, I think you're just describing a symptom of a process.
The ruling elites, the predator class, have always pushed as much as they can until they've felt, you know, they push while they feel mush and then, you know, to use Lenin's Bennett analysis, they push as far as they can.
They get away with what they can get away with, and it's just that the process has accelerated in our lifetimes and indeed earlier in the 20th century.
That's all what's happened, but it's been happening all the time.
They've always been like this.
Well, I mean, I very much take your point, James, but why not go back to sort of around about 300 AD, when the whole concept of Christianity at home didn't start.
There were no churches and no priests when they were When they were forced into the arena with lions and stuff like that.
This was a belief Christianity was a belief and so consequently You could argue it probably went wrong round about 300 AD when it when if you like you might argue when mankind's bureaucracy got hold of the faith Yeah, well, that was always going to happen, wasn't it?
So, OK, so you've got the years leading up to the year nought, when just things were just appalling and God realised that, you know, I'm going to have to do something to sort this out.
I'm going to send my only son.
We're going to have a kind of a reboot of civilization.
And here's my son.
He's going to get sacrificed and die in this hideous way.
Die for man's sins.
Now's your chance to repent.
And then so we've had 2000 plus years since then to amend our ways.
And most people haven't listened.
And there it is.
That's the deal.
So now we're going to have the oh, this is I keep returning to the scene where horses are going to be wading up to their chests in blood because that's that's the deal.
We're living in end times.
What what's what's your take?
How do we get out of this mess?
Are we going to or is it all going to you know, CBDC's and stuff?
Are they going to are they going to come in?
I just don't know how we get out of it.
I think there are... A lot of people ask me what the doing thing is.
It's all very well to point out to people who know things have gone wrong and things aren't good.
I think, listen, people need the doing thing, don't they?
They need the doing thing, otherwise they get depressed and frustrated.
I always say, here's the doing thing.
What can you do in the morning?
Answer your bankers' orders at the BBC, because that's going to make you feel better.
That's a little tiny pinprick at what's wrong with this country.
That's one thing you can do to blow a little bit of steam off.
And the other thing that could help, and I'm not sure it's going to help that far, but if we had a non-party system and you had to stand on the stump in your own county or your own constituency and say, I'm James Durningpole.
I'm Godfrey Bloom.
This is what I believe.
And you stand on the stump and say, you vote for me.
No rosettes, no blue rosettes, no red rosettes.
I believe, and I tell you that this is a hoax.
Climate's a hoax.
Vote for me.
And more and more people are beginning to realise it's a hoax.
Or more and more people's families are being damaged by these jabs, or whatever it happens to be.
And they're going to say, just a minute, this guy, most, the reason the standard of politician is so easily bought, and whose intellect is so low, is for the simple reason that they've only got to wear a blue flag or red flag to get elected.
That would be at least a start.
That would be a start.
And I think you might find that if we could start by improving the House of Commons and disband perhaps the House of Lords, which has lost its way completely.
It's a train wreck.
So that at least people felt that I voted for James Denningpole because he's a bloody good bloke and I agree with everything or nearly everything he says.
Apart from the hunting.
I don't like, I don't like his cruelty to foxes.
Well, you're always going to get that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sorry.
I have Psalm 8 on my side.
We're, we're, we're in charge.
I mean, that's what God gave us dominion and that's the deal.
The thing is, what do we do?
Before, and I wrote an article for a magazine about three years ago, a new dark age.
At the moment, it seems we're going into a new dark age.
And of course, we have another dynamic, don't we?
We now have a population where the non-Christian, leaving aside this sort of agnostics, but we have anti-Christian forces growing at a most phenomenal pace, quite deliberately brought into this country.
Well, yeah, well, I mean, I hesitate to open another rabbit hole at this point in the podcast, because I've got to go and cook supper.
But where are you on the Kalergi-Kudenhof plan?
Well, it looks like it's right if you look at what's happening.
Certain things make sense, but then you don't have to look quite that far back.
You've only got, well, if you look at the UN Declaration, of course, which Therese May signed.
To accept 100,000.
She knew she couldn't do that formally, so they are... What's the biggest pretense at the moment, apart from climate hoax, is the big pretense that we can't stop these people coming across in small boats.
I mean, that is just about the most absurd situation that the country's ever met.
Now, I've always had great faith in the country bouncing back, whether it's from a civil war, whether it's from a major war.
The country, the resilience of our island race, I have always believed in.
If we're degrading that daily, will we have enough to bounce back from?
Well, that's why they're doing it.
I mean, that's why they're doing it, isn't it?
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's white replacement and it's, yeah, they want to kill the culture of, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, my advice would be trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not until thine own understanding.
I just think we've reached a stage where...
Only God can save us.
I think it's that bad.
Because I don't see people waking up on the scale.
I mean, I see my mission, and probably you see your mission as well, as being to go around telling people like it is.
I strike up conversations with people.
I say, don't take the jab.
I ask them questions.
I tell them about, you know, the moon landings and stuff.
They probably think I'm a nutcase.
I don't really care.
And also I tell them to get... A friend of mine has just lost her husband.
Yeah, I mean, he was my age.
Super fit, he was into cycling, but not everyone's perfect.
And he just dropped dead of turbo cancer.
Like, from diagnosis to death, eight weeks.
And she knows what caused it.
She said, she's very bitter about it.
You know, it was definitely, it happened after the jam.
And interestingly, going back to what you were saying earlier about the churches, I was saying, well, how are you sort of dealing with it?
And she said, well, I'm throwing myself into my work.
And I said, are you sort of in, where are you on God and stuff?
And she said, well, I try to go into the church to have a bit of quiet time, but normally the church is locked.
And I was thinking, yeah, that's the way to win people over to your institution, isn't it?
To lock the doors when they need it most.
Well, my advice to her, I'm a guide at York Minster.
I'm a professional guide at York Minster.
And of course, all the cathedrals have one chapel, which is for prayer and contemplation, tucked away in the corner, nobody else allowed in.
So if the parish church is, if you're having difficulty with the parish church, your local, I know it might be a way away, and it's quite wrong, and I'm not defending it.
You'll just wander a few hundred miles or whatever to York Minster, and it's there.
Every minster, well not every minster, but every cathedral, and most big minsters, will have that private chapel.
And they're not that far from most people.
Yeah.
It's just a thought.
People, you have to give, you know, you have to give somebody something.
That was depressing.
I didn't get anything for that, from that podcast.
You've got to say, well, here's a few things you can do.
Here's a few things you can do.
When you say trust in the Lord, I say, yes, trust in the Lord, but pass the ammunition.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Okay.
My other tip is, I've just discovered this.
When, just after sunrise, spend five minutes looking at the sun.
Ideally barefoot.
It's fantastically, it has an amazing effect.
Do you know about this?
I've never tried it.
Can I do it with a glass in my hand?
Yeah, you can.
Would you want to do that at eight, seven or eight in the morning?
Sorry?
Would you want to be doing that at seven or eight in the morning?
I was thinking of the evening, sorry.
No, sorry, I'm talking about... Yeah, obviously you need a sundown, and that's a given.
But I'm not sure you want a sunriser as well.
Oh, right.
Well, I hope I haven't given myself away there.
I'll have a large one.
It's 8 o'clock in the morning.
I'm sure your fan club would fully expect you to be downing a slow gin at that time.
Anyway, it's time for me to feed the dog and make supper.
It's been great chatting to you.
Where can people find you?
Easy peasy.
My website, which is quite extensive now, is just smallcasegodfreebloom.uk.
That's easy.
Yeah.
Good.
Thank you.
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