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Feb. 24, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Laurence Fox
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I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest and he really is a very sudden special guest.
Look who it is!
to the Delingpole, to the, me, me, James Delingpole.
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Well, have you guessed who my special guest this week is?
It's Lozza!
Baby!
Lozza, hello.
Hello, my love.
How are you?
I'm blazing.
Isn't it good how this podcast came about?
Tell the listeners how it happened.
You phoned me to remind me to bring your psychedelics to the Delling Pod on Friday, and I said, why am I not on the Delling Pod?
And you went, what are you doing now?
And I said, sitting with the dog, having just had a meeting with Sir John Hayes of all people, name dropping extraordinaire.
And you said, well, let's do one now.
And I went, all right, my love, let's do it.
I cannot condone your use of psych.
That's the lever of political barter!
Like, really, in your dreams would you be my psychedelic drug pusher, you freak!
Now, what I wanted to say to you was, given that you've got a dog in the background and you know about dogs, I wanted to ask you a technical question about dog ownership first.
Which is, just before this podcast started, I I fed our dog an hour earlier than its usual time, and I did it because I know that during the podcast, as that time approached, it would have clawed my legs and sort of snuffled around the door and scratched the door and stuff.
Did I do the wrong thing by feeding it an hour early, or was it clever?
I think they're like routine dogs, don't they?
So, um, I'd try and feed them at almost the same time.
I don't think an hour's gonna do any harm, but if you swapped it to, like, three hours, they wouldn't know what's going on.
They'd probably have a nervous breakdown.
An hour's fine.
No, I agree.
But this is what... Given that it knows what time it... I'm not going to use the D word, but what time it eats, I... Because you know when the clocks change.
When the clocks change, it wants to be fed at the correct hour, not the ones that the adjusted clocks say is the right hour.
The selfish clocks.
I think it's a bit cheeky.
Yeah, exactly.
Stupid.
That's made-up stuff anyway, isn't it?
Do you know what I think?
I mean, I know you're not as far down the rabbit hole as me, but the whole... You look at everything that's... Since I've gone down the rabbit hole, I have realised that all the things that used to puzzle me in the past...
Now makes sense, because essentially the answer is the same, they are the work of the devil.
I'm sure that the time changes if you looked into it, why our clock moves an hour forward and back every year, is just to disrupt us, screw us over, make life hard for us.
Well, I can't, I, I, I, I, listen, you can't, that can't be down the rabbit hole.
That's got to be down to harvest time and stuff like that, doesn't it?
Something to do with the stocks, but... No, that, no... No, Lozard, they... Lozard, but I'm still... It was always the narrative.
There is always the narrative excuse and then there's the underlying reason.
You've seen that in every other aspect of life in politics and stuff.
There's always an official reason.
Like, for example, Ukraine is a sovereign state.
It was invaded by Putin, completely sort of unjustifiably.
And what else?
And if we don't stop him in Ukraine, then he will invade Poland, the Baltic States, blah, blah, blah.
I mean, that is the narrative version, for example, of current history, isn't it?
But we know it's all bollocks.
We did.
Well, yeah, I mean, I think Ukraine's dog feeding times and moving flocks might be even a tiny bit of a stretch for you, James.
Come on, come on.
No, only connect.
Only connect.
The small things and the big things.
Okay, so you said to me, you said to me, you said to me, didn't you, when you said that my dad had said something that resonated with you very strongly on your faith journey, when you'd said that my dad pointed out that the earth was the devil's playground, you know, and it was, it was his, it was where he was doing best and that that had affected you.
So I do agree with you on that part of it. 100%.
Well, what your dad said to me on that march, those days seem so long ago, don't they?
Everything does.
Those days when we used to go marching together with your family.
I was there in Oxford on the weekend.
with the same crew.
Oh, tell me about that.
We'll go back to your dad.
That was great.
They say they obviously they've installed these six cameras in Oxford and foots up and they put it out, you know, to the community saying, you know, do you want us to limit people's travel even further than they do in that very heavily traffic calm city?
And they came out 90% of the people said no, we don't want you to install this thing so that we can only travel 100 times a year.
And then we're fined for every trial every Travel, extra bit of travel we do, and they're going to do it anyway.
So I went out there to Oxford to give a little, um, this is not about traffic calming, or the climate, or anything else, it's about control and power over you.
And there must, there were several thousand people there, and it was exactly the same atmosphere again, that we, you and I would find on, on every one of those freedom marches, which was just leave us the bleep alone.
Like, it is such a huge constituency of people that just want to be left alone to get on with their lives.
And, um, it was really happy.
It reminded me of you.
I thought of you, actually, because everyone was just hugging and saying, Hi, so nice to see you.
And thanks for coming.
And, you know, it's it's the Leave Us Alone crowd are the best crowd in the world.
They're my favorite people on Earth.
Uh, mate, if I hadn't been, um, hunting, I would have been- I would have been totally there with you, because they- they are- they are great, these- these things.
Do- was there a- a police presence?
Oh, yeah, there was mounted police.
There was everything.
And there was- we even had our first little nice dose of antifa.
Who I bumped into, as well, who were a charming bunch of angry blue-haired people with black block on, so, um, they were there, but there weren't quite enough of them, and they were a bit puny to, um, attack, you know, families with, you know, the Freedom Lover Marches are parents with kids and stuff like that, you know what it's like, so Antifa were not welcome, but they gave Louise, remember Louise who organised the Freedom Marches in London, they gave her a real what-for, they tried to, tried to intimidate her, so...
Yeah, we've got the beginning of Antifa in the UK now established.
But what... Sorry, I don't get that.
What role has Antifa in... I mean, so, are Antifa campaigning on behalf of 15 Minute Cities?
Well, Anti-Fear just likes to say that everything is a far-right march, don't they?
So I think what they're aiming to do is to cause trouble and then blame it on the Freedom Fighters.
So, I just don't think it worked for them this time.
But the police, the police didn't seem to mind them at all, even though they were covered head-to-toe in, they looked like, you know, SWAT gear people from an American movie.
I saw a video of Antifa people being escorted for their safety by the police, which would suggest to me an unhealthy relationship.
I've seen videos from Bristol, I think it was, some of the Bristol protests, where Well, some of the demonstrators are clearly operating in cahoots with the police and it seems to me that Antifa are not what they claim to be.
They are agents actually acting for the state in the guise of being this sort of independent.
They're there to disrupt protests against I'm down that rabbit hole.
100% down that rabbit hole.
I think all of the stuff, all of the burning down of America post George Floyd was definitely a part of a government scheme.
Otherwise, they wouldn't, they would have tried to stop it, haven't they?
And then they go all about this January 6th insurrection.
And it's, you know, a few people, a few hippies walking around the Capitol, you know, not to be condoned.
Hardly as bad as what the answer is.
The same with Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil.
Yeah, and bottles of water.
It's terrible, the two-tier policing.
But people are, I think I was quite encouraged because I thought, you know, if this is Oxford, which is meant to be the kind of liberal lefty, you know, hug-a-hoody Just Stop Oil bunch of wokists, Then, you know, several thousand people right there on the middle of the Broad Street was, oh, have you seen what they've done to the Broad in Oxford?
No, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, the other thing that's happening in this world is these low-traffic neighbourhood things and this sort of pedestrianisation of everything, they don't do it in a classy way.
So it's like they've gone to Wicks, bought a load of really sort of dog-end bits of decking, garden decking, the cheapest they can find, and constructed these disgusting migraine-inducing benches, and that once beautiful street that you could stroll down and dream of, you know, great things, now just looks like a sort of badly construed, um, Lego model of terrible bits of old decking cobbled together.
Unless it was a temporary measure, which I don't think it was.
Someone's had it been there for ages.
You're right.
This is what they're doing.
They're killing anything beautiful.
Everything that's got any beauty is being destroyed.
Well, you know my theory on that, and it actually comes back to the thing we were talking about earlier, what your dad told me.
Because I wasn't so well up on my Bible in those days, when I met your dad for the first time on a freedom march, and he had this Bible.
Clutched to his chest, which I thought at the time was kind of intense, quite extreme.
You know, I was thinking, blimey, blimey, he really is a Christian.
But now, of course, it makes total sense to me because you're trying to ward off demons and stuff.
But he explained to me, because I asked him about the acting industry, because I'd seen that That video by the Australian X Factor winner, Altian Childs.
I mean, I've never heard any of his songs, but... A long one.
He made a video, five hours, talking about all the Masonic, you know, the eye stuff, and all the stuff that appears in pop videos, and everyone who makes it in pop music, apart from Wright Z. Fred, apparently, everyone is...
They've literally sold their soul.
And of course the same applies to your former industry, the lovey industry.
And I said, so, you know, was it like that?
Did you have to make your masonic vows and stuff?
And he said, no, it's not about the entertainment industry, it's about the world.
And Paul refers to Satan as the god of this world.
That he runs it by God's permission, and that explains the sort of shit show we're in.
But part of that, I think, is what you described just then.
The war on beauty.
Because beauty is an expression of God, just as love and truth are expressions of God.
That's what God likes.
He likes those things.
So, if you're Batting for the other team, what are you going to do?
You're going to become Le Corbusier, or you're going to fund Le Corbusier, and you're going to encourage the Brutalist movement in architecture, and you're going to build the National Theatre and the South Bank complex.
And by the way, you're going to replace Coventry Cathedral, not with A facsimile of the medieval original, which is what's happened in Dresden, by the way.
They've rebuilt Dresden, the old medieval city.
But in Coventry, they've turned it into a ginormous sort of ring road and car park with a sort of temple to Satan in the middle, designed by Basil Spence.
it's also like here where i am the big development in voxel you know these little boxes the rabbit hutches that or they're not even rabbit hutches they're rat cages i suppose you know for for vast sums of money that they cost these things they they have they have the twin effect of um making you feel that each human being is valueless and uh you know useless flesh eater or whatever we're referred to
and then the twin effect is you don't want to leave your own house because just looking at them makes you want to end your own life they're they're so depressing and And you see, I saw this guy the other day on, like, the 30th floor, with his two-foot-wide balcony, taking out a giant dog on the balcony, and the dog doing it crap, and him sort of dutifully picking it up, and he's like, what sort of life is this for anybody?
And these things probably go for about 750,000 quid.
So they're basically unaffordable anyway.
So it's a-- Yeah.
Are they owned or are they sort of part-- do they own the freehold or is that owned-- I've no idea.
I'm not sure anyone would confess to living in them.
I mean, maybe people do.
They go, look, have you seen my lovely new place on the 25th floor?
I've got a view facing the...
Vauxhall bus station.
It's like, it's just a very, very oppressive place.
And it actually does feel, you know, in a spiritual way, it attacks you.
It attacks you.
It's active.
It's not a passive absorption of nastiness.
It's active.
It's in your face.
I don't like going, I don't like walking around there.
I don't like jogging around there.
I don't like anything around there.
I just feel it's horrid.
An attack on beauty, like you said.
Because obviously, I now come to London as little as possible.
I mean, after I left university, I enthusiastically embraced London for a couple of decades and thought it was great and, you know, all the traditions that one was Going into Soho and going to the French House to see if one could find the spirit of Geoffrey Barnard or whatever or Francis Bacon and all the stuff you do as a young man trying to live your London dream and when a man is tired of London he's tired of life and all that.
But now I just find it kind of hateful.
I was just wondering, you live there all the time, pretty much all the time.
Do you notice this decline?
Or was it Bulling Frog?
Yeah, no, it's- it's- it's Boiling Frog, and it's deliberate.
You know, it's the same as what Sadiq has done with his free school meals to everybody.
He's like, look, I'm gonna give all the children free school meals, but at the same time, I'm gonna make it in- I'm gonna- What- what's happening is, he- A, it's- you can't move around London now, unless you walk, or get a- you can- a black cab is just about doable, and a tube, obviously.
But you cannot get in a car in London.
Because it's so prohibitively expensive to do so, even if you're of quite decent means.
You just can't justify getting into a car.
So he said, if you're not going to follow my new Covid, which is essentially the climate, it's just the new Covid, isn't it?
It's a new iteration of how we're going to destroy people's optimism and faith and hope in the future.
If you're not going to listen to my gentle climate prodding, I'm going to price you out of your vehicle.
So just getting in it is too expensive.
So my car sits out there and its battery just runs out every three months because I can barely afford to get in the thing.
It's evil.
Yeah.
I had that experience.
The last time I drove into London was to see... was to go to a funeral in that lovely church in Camberwell.
And I... because, you know, it's a pain to get to Camberwell, but you've got to take buses.
There's no tube near there.
Yeah.
So we drove down the Camberwell New Road in our diesel car and it started like choking because of the 20 mile hour zone.
Diesel cars certainly aren't designed to go at that speed.
They don't like it.
It was a hot day.
We can't.
It's more concentration to drive at 20 miles an hour than it does to drive at 90 miles an hour.
It's such an unnatural speed to go at.
It's all designed to just mess with your internal... everything I sense at the moment.
It's designed to discombobulate, confuse, carry on the extra doses of Covid hysteria and madness.
It's just designed to make life impossible.
You try and drive at 20 miles an hour, you're always looking at the speedo, you're looking up, you're looking around.
I'd be interested to see how many more people have been run over, I imagine, probably, just by people desperately trying to go at 20, so they're not fined millions of pounds by Sadiq and his pointless cameras.
That's very true.
You see, there's another example of the official narrative, which is, A, we are doing it for safety, because people, when hit by a car going at 20 miles an hour, have a, you know, made-up... Well, it was 30 before!
It was 30 before it said, if a car hits you, you've got an 80% chance of dying.
If a car hits you at 30, you've got an 80% chance of surviving.
So what is it at 20?
Yeah.
You know, 89%?
I don't know.
Why not just ban the whole thing?
You actually live longer.
You actually, it adds 10 years to your lifespan if you get hit by a car at 20 miles an hour, I imagine.
So they have the bullshit health excuse, but they're a safety excuse, and they also have the bullshit particulates excuse, when actually I would have thought the emissions of a car crawling along, a diesel particularly, crawling along at 20 miles an hour, are far worse than anything you'd get if the car was just allowed to go at sort of 35.
And you've got the, oh, we're doing it for the environment, which all this stuff is a lie, and people sort of, I think, more or less know it's a lie, and yet they go ahead with it anyway, which I think demonstrates fairly clearly to me that they don't care anymore, and they haven't cared for some time what we think.
They're just going to do it anyway.
Yeah, absolutely.
And also, you know, you know, it's rubbish.
I got so I got collared by the BBC climate change correspondent at this Oxford thing.
And he tried to trap me because they love doing this.
So he tried to trap me and I just said to him, look, we need to be living in a world where we're instantiating more freedom, not less.
With every passing day we should be looking for more freedom, not less, not more restrictions.
And this man was saying, do you think there's this big global conspiracy for 15-minute cities?
Is that what you're trying to say?
And I said, I don't need to say there's a big global conspiracy for 15-minute cities.
You just have to go on the WEF website and look and it will tell you there are 15-minute cities.
But what it tells me is that That is the huge disregard for your average person by, you know, these panjandrums and these councils who sit there, 90% of people on the consultation say, no, we don't want this stuff.
And they go, well, we're doing it anyway.
So, I mean, what's your option but revolution after that?
What's your option?
But I'm starting to go, you know, let's all just go and burn these bloody LTNs down.
Or just mass non-payment of fines, which is what they're doing in some places.
Yes.
I mean, I would have thought that... I'm surprised that people haven't taken down these benches and sort of IKEA, what are they, planters or whatever that have been blocking off the streets in the Broad in Oxford, for example.
Why are they not destroyed every day?
Because people are just so demoralised.
It's 95% of the populace.
We're so demoralised.
I think there's a national Depression going on post-Covid.
I think people... Which was engineered.
Yeah, which I think... So people have just not got over the fact that... Thanks, Blaise.
Thanks for my seat, finally.
Which has become...
I think people have got post-traumatic stress from the world's greatest failed public health experiment in the history of mankind.
Or, in your view, the greatest planned reset ever.
Which has actually also now, by the way, in my view, taken place.
The Great Reset's already taken place.
It's not something that we're waiting to happen.
It's already happened.
Do you think or not?
It's been happening over a period of decades.
I mean, this was, if you listen to my recent podcast with Sandy Adams, who was a theatrical set designer who was mugged by reality.
She suddenly realised, she read the documents and realised this has been going on for Well, OK, so in its latest iteration, since 1971, when the Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski, that's when the sort of latest phase happened, although before that it was... Hello?
Hello, I'm in the middle of a podcast.
Hi, I'm doing a podcast, Steve.
I'll call you back.
I don't like people who, I don't like being rung up.
I think before they ring you up, people will send you a message saying, is it okay if I ring you?
Who invented that rule where it's okay to ring?
Well it's fine, surely, come on, you're allowed to call someone if you've got a telephone line, James, or you can just disconnect it for the duration of your podcast.
You know, funnily enough, when I was a young public journalist and part of my job entailed ringing up I suppose people now my age, but I would have considered the time to be sort of crusty old farts.
And I always used to be, well, when it happened, I used to be upset by their sort of aggrieved, irritable tone.
And I was thinking, well, all I've done is phone them.
Why do you have to be so angry?
But now I totally understand why, because it's an intrusion.
I don't think we should have... Again, it's that it is this thing about You know, it affects everything.
I was speaking about this to someone today, you know, this the whole idea that you can never log out.
I mean, you're more likely to be able to log out because look what's going on behind you and you hunt and you have the dogs and you run and you have some stimuli which isn't digital.
But, you know, essentially, if you live in a town or stuff like that, everything is you're constantly stimulated.
So a phone, a phone ringing can send you out over the edge, actually.
It's a sort of we're very much on the edge of I think people are in such a strange mood.
I sense such a strange mood everywhere.
And this, and then, well that's why that Oxford thing was so good, because people are just so desperate to get out and express some optimism and some resistance.
So, you know, they just need someone to vote for.
Yes, but, OK, so this is always the thing that people say, isn't it, that when we have our away days to events like the one in Oxford, our people, or some of them, the more frustrated of them, say, yeah, it's all very well hanging out with like-minded folk, but we're still only about 3% of the populace, and when are we going to translate our sort of feeling of frustration into action?
I mean, the party political system isn't going to change anything, is it?
It's not like they're suddenly going to vote for you.
No, and they surely shouldn't, because I don't want to be in charge of anything.
But you would hope that at least they made a vague effort to make the population believe that it wasn't just a one-horse race, you know.
That there was you know even it would be I think people find it reassuring if they thought that well there was maybe an opposition and there was maybe a left and there was maybe a right but it isn't it's just one we've got an unelected head of the you know the Conservative Politburo And then we've got another one who agrees with him on the side and when no one's allowed to question anything, you can't turn around and say, if you even mention the word climate, you're a racist now.
Everything is, is anti-Semitic.
Everything is just, there's nothing you can... I was going to say, that is the new...
Have you noticed this one?
The new one is everything.
Everything is anti-Semitic.
Everything.
So, like, Neil Oliver does one of his monologues on GB News and he talks about The New World Order, about all the things we know that the WF is doing, because it tells us on its website.
It's not exactly shy about announcing its plans, and there are other institutions like Buildable, etc.
He gets accused by one of the Jewish campaign groups of being anti-Semitic.
But he hasn't actually said anything anti-Semitic, whatever that means.
Even they have to admit that.
He's just been indulging in anti-Semitic tropes or something.
It's like...
That's so weird though.
How does that work?
If you refer to history in any way, you're essentially attacking the Jews.
So anything older than about 10 years is like, well, you know, that's what they used to say before the Nazis took over.
And it's like, we're not talking about the Nazis, you're talking about a one world government, which they've said that they want to do.
I mean, Elon Musk, I don't know, it'd be interesting to know what you think about Elon Musk, but he did make quite a good point when he turned around and he said, you want different cultures because one will rise and one will fall.
And you need that.
You need societies to rise and fall.
What you don't want is one world government when the whole thing goes kaboom, because what happens then?
But yeah, I mean, it's Elon Musk.
What do you think?
You surely don't trust Elon Musk?
I don't trust anybody with a shitload of money who wants to influence the world, particularly.
I think it's really bad.
To me, he does seem... he seems to have a sense of irony, which I always think helps, so that humanises him, for me, a bit.
But, yeah, you know...
I think he has freed up social media.
You can now say... I mean, even you will last more than 72 hours on Twitter nowadays.
I mean, I can criticise the clock shots for... till the cows come home and nothing gets... I don't know... Yeah, but they need us on Twitter because we are the bait for the trap.
We are bait-and-switch.
I mean, Twitter is a ginormous trap.
It's a sort of data-harvesting, kind of spying... It shows the Deep State who their enemies are.
I don't know why you do it.
Where does the data go?
Who's the data going?
I do.
Well, all the kind of nefarious interests that are conspiring to destroy the world.
Our world, anyway.
Happy.
Yeah.
So what's the white podcasting seems to have managed to sublimate?
Hasn't it in some way?
Why?
Why have they left podcasting alone?
Well, the optimistic theory is that they devised the internet as a ginormous trap in order to sort of corral us into and control us.
I mean, they've done it very successfully by By encouraging, again, this is the official narrative versus the underlying reason thing.
So they've sold us this world where you can carry this amazing device with you, where you can take really, really good quality photographs.
And you don't need a map in your car anymore.
And you can order pizza.
And you can listen to your favorite tunes.
And, oh, you can call your mum and tell her you're going to be late for Sunday lunch or whatever, if you do Sunday lunch.
That's how they've sold it.
Oh, and you can get dopamine hits all the time from TikTok, etc.
And of course, the real reason is that it's a mobile spy device.
I mean, it's like carrying ID, which we all insisted that we're never going to do because that's not the British way.
So they created this Sorry, I interrupted you.
They created a digital prison, but our prison has also proved our means of escape because the internet has given us access to information which we would hitherto have been unable to reach without going into the deepest recesses of the most well-stocked library.
And we don't bother with the official news outlets anymore, because we can get our truth from somewhere that actually does tell the truth.
And we've got these podcasts, which enable us never, ever again to have to listen to Radio 4, which was always shite, but we had nowhere else to go before, whereas now we do.
So that's the kind of the happy argument, that we've found our people, finally, and we've found the truth.
I don't know.
I'm so frustrated by how few of us are awake.
Is it... I mean, I've started to think that we're sort of cyborgs now, and that without phones we're not complete.
So, without our smartphone... Well, that's what Yuval Harari says.
Is that what he says?
Is Yuval Harari a good one?
Well, he... Or is he the one that's... I can never remember... He's the useless flesh-eater.
He's one of Satan's little helpers.
Yes.
He's the guy who writes these... Transhumanism.
He's an advocate for transhumanism.
And he says, well, you know, there's nothing to worry about because... No, he wrote Sapiens.
Yeah, he did.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
You actually know the title.
Have you met him?
I read the bloody thing.
It's an unpleasant read.
Certainly wouldn't, wouldn't be, um, it's not a very nice read at all.
You know those sort of well-argued horriblenesses.
It's not a good read.
Yeah.
Have you, have you gone down the, um, All books that are published... all books that do well are basically bestsellers by design, and it's not about the quality, it's about how they're pushed by an industry which is determined to advance their evil agenda.
You've gone down that rabbit hole, haven't you?
You don't even need to... That's not even a rabbit hole, that's just life.
That's not even a rabbit hole.
That is true.
You know that to be true.
It's like film.
It's like, why is this so dreadful?
Why am I watching something so dreadful?
All the time.
I like, I'm trying to, I keep, I sometimes, when I don't have time to do the whole of London Calling, I have to go to Culture Corner to go, is there something that I can find somewhere on the, on this giant boring television that is worth watching?
And it's so hard.
If I were... Yeah.
If I were a Culture Corner listener, I would just listen to the bit at the beginning where Toby and I catch up with what we've got up to in the week.
Mainly, you know, what shooting and hunting invitations we've had.
And then I would skip through all the boring shite in the middle where we bicker over, you know, Toby's normie world and me saying, no, it's all part of Satan's evil plan.
And then cut straight to Culture Corner, where you might get some useful tips.
I mean, I feel embarrassed about recommending any TV programme because I recognise that TV is part of the, well, programme.
I mean, there's a clue in the word.
Literature.
I still hold out hope for... I mean, I'd never read Yuval Harari's book, because I wouldn't want my mind poisoned.
I still think Dostoevsky... This book I'm reading, Oblomov, at the moment.
I've almost finished.
I'm about to start Dead Souls by Gogol.
These books are surely not tainted by the evil overlords.
Well, hopefully everyone needs to buy themselves a hard copy because I'm sure the sensitivity readers will be all over Crime and Punishment like it's going out of fashion.
Can you imagine what would happen once the sensitivity readers get their hands on Crime and Punishment or, you know, anything like that?
Any C.S.
Lewis?
Screw tape letters?
They'll ban it all.
It's all gonna get banned.
I had a bad experience with C.S.
Lewis recently.
Why?
Um... I... I bought his book on the Psalms.
Which, as you know, are one of my current obsessions.
You know, fox hunting and Psalms, basically.
And, um... Sorry, hunting and Psalms.
Not fox hunting.
That doesn't... It doesn't go on.
We follow a trail.
Um, but...
But yeah, we love foxes.
We luckily love them, don't worry.
And I thought, well, C.S.
Lewis in his slightly kind of...
Slightly puterish way, that sort of odd way, like he's addressing a class of intelligent 12-year-olds.
I thought you'd give me a really good summary of where the Psalms are coming from and just an overview.
And it's just shite!
I don't know what it's looked for.
On the Psalms or something?
Well, it's got Psalms in the title, probably On the Psalms or something.
Yeah.
But he doesn't get it, he doesn't respond to, um... He thinks of them as a kind of... Oh no, go away!
What an extraordinary thing!
Oh my God!
That is absolutely fucking outrageous!
Did your phone ring again?
No, that was...
Yeah, but more than that, fuck off.
It was actually one of my, um, one of my Telegram group people, who has no reason to call me at this particular time.
This is just, you know, oh, I think I'll call James.
Look, I mean, I like him, but I don't like being called in the middle of a... ever, actually.
Um...
So C.S.
Lewis, who does... Sorry.
It's a good description, but I think he's... A Grief Observed is an incredible book, but yeah, my mum... Can I just tell you what my mum said about the Psalms, which I think had it covered?
Oh yeah.
She went, the Psalms are just... are just crying out.
for help for it just crying out and saying how I don't have I'm powerless help me and she went they're not all about happy go lucky songs she said and she was great about that she got me into the psalms mom in the end I loved them I really enjoyed them and also as you said or someone said the other day some of them have really magical powers I mean not magical power spiritual incredible spiritual power certainly 23.
Yes well Magical is a word we're not allowed to use in Christianity, isn't it?
Because it's the enemy's word.
But it is basically magic.
It's just God magic, which is more powerful than other forms of magic.
Hang on, that's the child.
Wait.
I've just got to let the child in.
I've just got to let the child in.
Oh yeah, yeah, you do that.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
We can do a...
When I get my act together, you can pick a psalm that I haven't got booked and you can do a psalm.
I haven't launched a series yet.
I keep threatening to launch it.
But the thing that annoyed me about C.S.
Lewis and his take on the psalms was, one, he seemed to fall into this idiocy in my view, which is that somehow The Old Testament is a kind of Jewish thing, and that the New Testament is a Christian thing.
I'm slightly simplifying his argument, but he didn't seem to understand the extraordinary circularity.
For example, Psalm 22.
When Jesus is on the cross, he says, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Which is the opening line of Psalm 22.
So Jesus who I believe founded Christianity, was very, very well versed in the Old Testament Scriptures, and the Psalms were a core part of his being.
In the same way when Satan tempts Jesus, Satan too refers to the Psalms.
So the Psalms are like the poetry books of the Bible, which encapsulate all the other bits, and In the Civil War, certainly when the Puritans marched off with their pikes and stuff, they would sing the Psalms.
We know that monks chanted the Psalms all the day.
And C.S.
Lewis writes this rather awkward book about how Perhaps readers feel rather discomforted by the Psalms now, and he draws attention to the fact, for example, that there was a technique in the Psalms where they'll say one thing in one way, and then they'll repeat the point, but by phrasing it in a slightly different way.
And C.S.
Lewis feels uncomfortable with this.
And I'm thinking, what did C.S.
Lewis teach?
You're the one that went to Oxford.
Was he an English literature dog?
I don't know.
You've always been a bit spiky about him, though, to be fair.
But he appeals to people like you.
No, I like, um... He appeals to people like you with small brains.
Who, you know, didn't go to university.
Okay.
He taught literature.
I don't get that at all.
I tell you what, I'm sorry, hopping off to the next subject.
I should have spent more time dissing Lewis.
By the way, you get so much grief, particularly from American Christians, if you diss C.S.
Lewis.
They really don't like it.
It's pretty much like being rude about Jesus.
But he didn't make the list of white supremacists like Chesterton.
Didn't Chesterton make the list of your almost far-right extremists?
Yeah, probably.
And Tolkien was...
Tolkien made it, didn't he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Beowulf.
Of course.
All these white nationalists who are well versed in Beowulf.
Putting words together.
And Grendel's Mere.
Yeah, it's very dangerous.
The thing I'd like to discover, do you know who the Poet's Poet's Poet is?
No.
OK, have a guess.
I'm going to give you... OK, you can do guess... I'm going to give you three guesses, three questions, so you can narrow down the period.
Poets, poets, poets... Well, I'm useless at this.
He won't be one of your favourites.
He won't be one of my favourites.
No, so narrow down the period, and then you might guess it.
I mean, that doesn't help because I, you know, I don't... I'm so ill-educated that I... Oh, because you... You learn lines, but you don't... Well, no, I mean, I know my favourite line of poetry, you know, and I know who wrote it, but I don't know... What's your favourite line of poetry?
There is, it seems to us, at least only a limited value in the knowledge gained from experience.
Knowledge imposes a pattern and falsifies for each moment as a new and shocking valuation of all that we have been.
Is that Elliot?
Yeah.
He's Coker.
Gosh, you really picked a tricky one there, didn't you?
I know.
It's conundrumed me forever, that line.
I'm never quite sure whether it's telling me what I want to hear or the exact opposite.
You're making me feel guilty, because you know, I'm sure I've told you before, I learned the whole of Berndt's Norton, which is the first of Eliot's four quartets, as you know, and I used to recite it to myself on my morning run, because actually, at our age, I mean, do you retain any of the stuff you learned?
Have you done, you must have been in Shakespeare?
Um, yeah, I know Shakespeare quite well, but I've never performed it on the stage.
No, I've definitely got, in the last three years, or two and a bit years, my memory retention has tragically fallen.
So, I don't know whether the bioweapon has done something to our brain.
I mean, I didn't get any jibby-jabs.
So, I find things... Could just be AD, couldn't it?
It could, eh, what?
Age.
A.D.
What's that?
Yeah, I think that's what the older generation used to refer to it as, A.D.
Anodomized, what, just getting older?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
It's, I should, my brain should be, I mean, I'm, I should remember stuff.
I can remember a lot of stuff, but I feel like, I wonder if the bioweapon's got loads of, um, does things to your brain, even if you don't have the jibby jabs.
You would think it probably would, wouldn't you?
Uh, so not AD, but 5G.
5G?
That wouldn't surprise me.
It really wouldn't.
It's got me.
Anyway, why are you feeling guilty?
Um, because... Because I now do the psalms every morning when I do my run.
It's ousted my treasury of poetry, which I used to do.
Yeah.
And I wonder whether I should...
I mean, maybe God would be OK with me just having, sort of, non-psalm days where I just go through the, um... I think you need... ...my penicillin and my Marvel.
Yeah, you need a bit... you might need a bit of... you might need a bit of a... I don't think God's gonna be, um... gonna be too hard on you on that one.
Which one is Bernt Norton?
Is that In My Beginning Is My End, or is that Ace Coker?
No, Time Present and... No, Time Present and Time Past are both...
Perhaps present and time-future.
Time-future and time-puget present.
Yeah, um, it's, I... Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage which we did not take, towards the door we never opened.
Oh, God, it's good.
It's so good.
It's good.
It is good.
I think you need, um, anyway, you've got to tell me who the poet is, because that's what we do, but I do think you're, I think you... Okay, okay, I'll narrow it down for you.
I'll ask the question you should have asked.
Is it a metaphysical poet?
Yes, it is.
Yes, Lozum, it's a metaphysical poet.
OK.
Which leads me on to the next question, which is, um, what is metaphysical?
Who wants metaphysicals?
What does metaphysical mean?
OK.
I'll give you some of the metaphysicals.
One of them is John Donne.
Yes.
And, um... Was he, was he... Is he Reindeer the Lock?
No.
Who wrote The Rape and the Lot?
No, that's, that's, um, Pope.
Pope?
Pope.
He's not a metaphysical, no.
No, he's later, he's later.
It is George Herbert.
George?
George Herbert, never published in his... George Herbert, get this, never published in his lifetime.
I think you'd only know George Herbert probably from that hymn, Come Down, I Love Divine, is it, I think?
Is it George Herbert?
But he He wrote mostly about God.
This is my book after I've read Dead Souls, which is my next.
I'm going to read this amazing biography of George Herbert, which tells you about it.
But anyway, the short version.
He wrote all this poetry, mainly of a religious persuasion.
He was better than Donne, he was better than all his contemporaries.
And he never published in his lifetime.
And before his death, he died quite young, he handed over this manuscript to his best mate and said, have a read through these.
If you think they're worth publishing, you know, publish them.
Otherwise, just chuck them in the bin.
If his mate had not been discerning, we'd never have known... well, never will.
That's such an interesting metaphor, if it is a metaphor or comparison or whatever it is, to what's going on in the world.
So many people have got this massive resource of brilliance and talent in them and they just don't...
You know, the people, what I'm saying is, if he's a poet's poet's poet, and he's the most valuable, um, resource of, of great poetry, and yet he didn't even believe enough in himself to share it.
It goes to show what the power inside us all to resist all of this crap is, isn't it?
You know, for people to believe that inside of them is something that's really valuable.
What you're saying, Lozza, is, um... Is it metaphysical?
...too many a flower is born to blush, is born to blush unseen, and waste its sweetness on the desert air.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
I love it.
Exactly what you're... Actually, that is the argument for learning poetry.
Well, a wanky little quote for every occasion, but actually that is the main reason.
It is.
I'm pulling darts.
Because the poets condense these ideas, these things that we've all noticed, but we can't express so well.
Who's the Pellet Laureate at the moment?
Is it Benjamin Zephaniah?
No.
Is it?
Um... It's not.
It's not.
It's, um... In fact, I was having... I was talking to my wife about this one.
We agreed that Benjamin Zephaniah was Shakespeare compared to this... Oh, I know!
That man who writes those terrible children's books, including... Did he write Where Going On A Bear Hunt?
Michael Rosen.
Michael Rosen?
He's awful.
He writes this doggerel, but he speaks on issues to do with literature and education and children's issues.
These people who claw their way into this corrupt, stupid establishment of idiocy.
Do you think the next phase is total subjugation or do you think it's revolution?
What do you think the next phase is?
What's coming up next?
The only thing... I don't know what's coming up next because I'm always surprised by... I mean, I thought we'd all be dead by now, actually.
So you can't predict this stuff.
Or was that planned as well?
Dunno.
Come on!
I do think we have an element of agency.
I do agree with those people who say that they are hurrying their plans and the plans are Off-failing as plans do, because no plan survives contact with the enemy, and we're the enemy.
And also the devil is predictable, and always in the reaches.
The devil does use the same techniques all the time because he's kind of, he's cunning but he's kind of lazy at the same time.
He just likes, he likes these tried and tested formulae.
But the best, look, My problem with revolution has always been that if you look at revolutions, they tend to put into power people as bad as the people that they're replacing.
I mean, largely, actually, because look at the French Revolution.
The French Revolution was actually engineered by the forces of darkness.
It was never really the thing that was sold to us as.
It wasn't really a popular uprising against the Bourbons or whatever.
But the best news I had was that we have at our disposal constitutional law.
Have you seen that chat?
I must get him on the podcast, the guy who specialises in talking about constitutional law.
Beggar.
Beggar, sorry.
We do have a constitution.
Yeah.
Which is the first edition of Magna Carta, which supersedes all parliamentary legislation, which is just legislation, and legislation is not binding, no parliament can bind its successor.
But Magna Carta, the rights that we've obtained from Magna Carta are apparently Unalienable, whatever that means.
That we do have recourse, that we can fight authority, but we've just got to recognise that we do have these means at our disposal.
A lot of what is being dumped on us at the moment by various corrupt parliaments in the pay of the predator class is in fact illegitimate.
What do you think would happen if a political party turned around and went, there is no climate emergency?
It's all made up.
up.
Do you think a lot of people would vote for them?
Well, I think they probably want to know what their other policies were.
I mean, look, I knew... So therefore you defer net zero until people have enough technology to sort things out.
If you entered Britain illegally without, you know, if you enter Britain illegally you can never have a British passport.
The primacy of the individual over the state, you know, things like that, equality under the law.
Do you think someone would...
Okay, so I would definitely say that this party was still fighting on the terrain of the enemy's choosing by even mentioning the concept of net zero.
You know, net zero is never a good idea.
Climate change is bollocks.
It is completely an invention of the predator class.
And this goes back decades.
This was how I knew that Richard Tice and his party, whatever they're called, were absolutely just a useless, useless shower.
Never worth anyone's vote.
Because Tice was always, always conceding that climate change was an issue worth taking seriously, and that it was just the speed at which we were addressing it which was the problem, and not the thing itself.
But that's what I mean.
Either party said that climate change is a hoax.
It's a complete hoax.
The climate emergency is complete rubbish.
Yeah, I'd say that... I'd say it would be a start.
But even though I think that's what a lot of people really think, they've been trained to censor themselves.
That's the problem.
They've been trained to feel guilty about thinking the thoughts they do.
Yeah.
So they would sort of censor themselves.
They would punish themselves by saying, well, I'm not going to vote for that party, or rather, I'm going to look out for one of the mainstream parties just because This new party is too much up my street and I don't want to play to my worst extremes.
Do you see what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
People say that they would consider it an immature decision that they should vote for something established.
This is why we're never going to get change through the party system, through the ballot box.
Which is rigged anyway, by the way.
Yeah, 100%.
100%, but what is it?
I'm...
How are we going to get change?
Um...
Well...
It's like me.
It's like you asking me which is the poet's poet's poet.
Speechless.
Yeah, well... I don't believe it!
Yeah.
It's because I don't really think that... I'm honest.
I think that we're... we're in...
End times.
I don't... People must have felt... I don't really see... This is... Surely we must be reassured by the fact that these things are patterns.
You know, the French Revolution, which you mentioned earlier, it's like it had to, once it has started chopping off heads, in order to continue the reason for its existence, you had to find some more heads to chop off.
Surely we're just in the digital version of that.
We're just chopping people's heads off.
And we're, you know, we're living in a period of terrible, horrible chaos and out of control living.
Do you not think?
If the devil always plays, you know, has the best tunes, but they're always pretty much the same, there must be some optimism coming out of it at some point.
People must turn around and go, look, I've had enough of this.
I don't like being told what to do all the time and my children having a crapper life than me.
That must happen, mustn't it?
Or are you genuine?
Well, so look at what's happened in the last Three years.
And you look at what's been done to people who were brought up thinking that, you know, using the phrase, it's a free country, mate, and who think that
That our health service is the envy of the world, and that they've won the lottery in life by being born British, and that they've been reared on these great traditions of defeating the Spanish, and then defeating the French, and then defeating the Germans twice in two World Wars and one World Cup.
And what do these people do?
When the government lied to them about a pandemic which wasn't real, for which there was no evidence.
And actually persuaded them not just to lock themselves in their houses and destroy their businesses, but also to accept injections of a poisonous substance which, at best, was no use at all.
At worst, sterilised them, poisoned them, maybe even killed them.
And they did this In order to be able to go on holiday, they thought that was an acceptable trade-off, you know, like... I mean, can you imagine that?
If somebody came up to you and said, OK, you can board this flight, but I'm just going to inject some shit in your arm.
I'm not telling you what the ingredients are, but it's conditional.
This holiday of yours is conditional on having shit injected into your arm.
And most people went...
Yeah, all right, fair enough.
You know, seems a reasonable trade-off to me.
So, where is your hope for this revolution, peaceful or otherwise, coming from?
Well, I mean, look, The problem with that was, what I never understood about the jab thing, was you could still go on holiday, it just made it much more expensive and annoying, and you had to pick where you went.
So you weren't totally restricted... In Costa Rica or Mexico?
Yeah, and no, Greece.
I went to Greece every, every, I didn't miss one year of Greece.
I go every year with my kids and I didn't miss one year.
It was just, it happened to cost loads more money because you had to, you're meant to take all these tests.
I just, I just didn't do them on the way back.
You know, those up the nose jobs.
Yeah, yeah.
But, um, yeah, I think that people are massively compliant, but that may be useful to us, because, um, if people are very compliant, and you can get the right, and they get fed up enough of all of this stuff, and they, you know, I mean, it's just, everyone has got a price, and everyone's also got a bottom line, don't they, where they can't go further than, uh, and whether it means... So what's the bottom line?
Well, I think the bottom line is, if they try to lock anybody down again, I think they would fail.
I don't think, even with a bug twice as bad, or 50 times, well, you know, much worse than Covid, I don't think that they would be able to convince quite a large proportion of the population to lock down.
Rachel Marburg.
Marburg virus appears, as predicted, in Stanley Malthus-Johnson's best-selling Why we must exterminate the people?
If I can't do it, then my son will.
I still think they'd struggle.
I still think people have, as I said earlier on, I still think people are in shock from that whole experience that they bought into it.
I mean, I even find myself not going out as often as I used to.
You know, just out of the habit of a not I'm not I obeyed a single lockdown rule ever.
But you just because other people were obeying lockdown rules, you saw less people.
Therefore, it becomes kind of ingrained in your being that you just leave the house less often.
So they've even succeeded with someone like me.
So I my carbon footprint is probably a tiny bit smaller than it was before lockdown.
So here you are, you see, you're actually, you're supporting my viewpoint that we're just completely doomed, because people have been, people have enervated, they've lost the will to fight.
So why do you do the podcast then?
Other than for the audience?
Well, because if, um, you've got to go down fighting, And I mean, regardless of this conversation, I think my tone is generally quite upbeat.
And that also, I said this before, I think I'm on a holy mission from God.
And my mission is to tell the truth.
Regardless of how unpalatable it might be and how much of a weirdo people think I am.
God is truth, God is beauty.
Yeah, totally.
One of the things I noticed about the end of my acting career was after I got used to all of the sort of end of the acting career thing, I suddenly felt like I was free.
Of a burden.
Even though acting in art is meant to be a way of, you know, doing all the things.
But now, if you said to me, you want to go on a film set, I'd go, ooh, God, I don't think I could cope around some of those people.
So, you know, even me, and I'm not as far down the rabbit hole as you are, I would, I'm sort of untouchable to these people, so it makes me feel free.
I feel like, I actually feel weirdly, you know, one looks at the world and goes, oh my God, it's going to hell in a handcart, but on the other hand, you'll, we'll go, we'll be the ones singing.
You know, we'll be rejoicing.
The best job in the world is one where nobody owns your arse.
It just, it just is.
Yeah.
Different people find different routes.
I mean, some people do it by acquiring what they call fuck-off money.
But they have to eat a lot of dirt before they get to that point.
So I'm not sure that's a route I would have ever been able to have taken.
I'm finding it really, really hard advising my children what to do.
Because, okay, so they've got their degrees.
from the university, which, which ought to equip them for a well paid job.
But in order to get one of those jobs, you've got to subscribe to this whole agenda, haven't you?
So you, you join a graduate trainee scheme.
And the first thing you do is learn about pronouns and diversity and sensitivity.
And I mean, if you even get the job, because of course you belong to the wrong race and the wrong class and the wrong sexuality, so you're kind of stuffed, unless you kowtow towards these shibboleths.
But you're right, going back to your point, that It's so, so liberating.
I've never been truly as happy in my career as I have since I cut loose from the mainstream media and just said, well, I don't want anything to do with you.
You're horrible.
You're tainted.
You are tainting, which is even worse.
And not to read it!
I'm just not trying to read it as a relief, or listen to it, I find.
This is why I'm a bit more hopeful than you are, because, you know, the optimistic version of the internet is the fact that I've met some amazing, A, I've met some amazing people on the internet, and, you know, via these platforms, and B, I feel like I'm getting a proper education.
It's via the things that I listen to and stuff like that.
You know, I feel like I'm getting a sort of I imagine what universities like where people use big words and talk about, you know, quite large themes.
I feel like, oh, my Lord, I'm finally getting educated, which I feel is quite good.
I certainly feel like I've been on an accelerated program of understanding what the world is really like, and that my previous 50 or so years were just essentially being fed propaganda, being fed a line, a narrative, which turns out to have been completely untrue, and now I'm playing catch-up with reality.
That's quite a good way of looking at it.
It's interesting.
Well, it's the Matrix, isn't it, in that way?
I mean, it's not the worst analogy, the Matrix, for stuff like that, of just going, everything I thought was... Oh, it's bloody great!
We can dodge bullets and go through walls and stuff.
It's amazing!
That's the liberating thing, because they have no idea how to handle you if you're not scared of them.
Of those that wish to do you harm.
If you have no fear and your faith, and faith in general, relieves you of all fear, because there is nothing to fear but fear itself.
It's like having a superpower.
It's very strange when you come across normal people.
I don't know how much you hang around with normal people.
I don't really hang out with normal people anymore.
I don't know any normal people anymore, really.
And when I come across them, I find them strange.
I'm like, but surely you know that, right?
And they're like, no.
No, no, I listen to Broadcasting House and I, you know, I get my news from the Times and the Telegraph and that's it.
And then I move on.
I'm just like, oh, we live in two totally separate worlds.
I, you know, I inhabit a different arena to you.
Oh, that's Fox Cub 2.
I have almost...
Because I'm in Fox Club 2's PlayStation room at the moment.
I might have to move you as we... Hang on a minute.
- Okay, okay. - Hey, Papa.
How was your day?
Hi, honey.
How was your day, love?
I love you.
I'll see you in a second.
- One second.
I'm just going upstairs to a slightly different part of the house.
Okay.
Right.
Oh, it's not very nice in here. - Yeah. - Anyway, cover them.
I have almost zero social life, except, you know, on occasion I get invited to a party, which is always nice.
Yeah.
Or when I go hunting.
So the good thing about hunting is that you're on a horse, which is the best place in the world to be, and you've got your flask ideally mounted on your saddle and filled and you've got your flask ideally mounted on your saddle and How much did you drink when you went hunting?
How much did you get down your neck?
Loads.
Loads?
Yeah, well, so at the meet I had two glasses, so that was, that would have been at half ten.
I had two glasses of port straight down.
Yeah.
And then I would be chugging at either my Flask or somebody else's at intervals throughout the day.
And I try and have some fags tucked in the top pocket of my hunt coat.
So I could, you know, on the rare breaks when you're waiting, you know, to move on.
And, but, so the bits where you're, you do actually have conversations when you're galloping along with the person next to you sometimes, but mainly you do it when you're waiting around.
And you just have all these people that you can just chat to.
They're kind of captive because they're on a horse.
They're stuck on a horse next to you.
And you can talk about whatever crazy shit you like.
So I always talk to them about God and what people might call conspiracy theories.
So it's like being this kind of tinfoil hat crazy preacher guy.
Yeah, but what I always find interesting about you is even though you are absolutely, in my view, kind of on the money, and as I say to you, all roads lead to Delingpole.
Um, you sort of down-down do yourself by saying you think that people think you're bonkers, but actually so many people think you're really sane as they come.
Even though, you know, obviously the Tobys will have to turn around and go, you know, James, you're bonkers, and all of that sort of stuff and slightly laugh at you.
I think a lot of people take you very seriously.
Hence why you sold out the Emmanuel Centre.
Can I, can I, um, pause you there?
So, you, you, you, now you're making me want to have a cigarette, so I'm going to have to have one.
Just, just wait there.
I'm just going to go on.
Okay.
You know, you know at the bottom of a bag of, um, rolling tobacco, where it gets, where you get the nasty strands, where you... I'm on one of those.
It doesn't smoke.
It's horrible, isn't it?
It's almost, it's almost actually worse than not smoking.
No, I quite like it.
I've got one for you, though.
Tell me this.
So, you know the whole GB News conundrum?
I know what you think about GB News, so let's not go there.
But the whole sort of GB News conundrum... No, I don't mind GB News.
They stopped... They obviously... I said to them, well, I want to be able to say whatever I want to say, because that's the whole point of free speech.
And they were like, no, you can.
Yeah.
And you can attack this, you can do whatever you want.
Yeah.
You just have to provide the alternate view, which I think's fair enough, I'm not too against that.
But you know what they're really upset about at the moment?
Smoking.
So yesterday they phoned me up three times and they said you're not allowed to smoke when you're on air down the line.
Why did- why would they do that?
I got an email and everything.
I'll tell you why.
Why?
Because... Did you... I talked about this on one of my podcasts recently.
They...
None of the establishment, the powers that be, the state, gives a toss about whether or not we die from smoking, even if it is bad for you.
What they don't like is that smokers tend to be more revolutionary, rebellious, and they are more sociable, and that they hang around chatting to one another.
And what you're doing is you're creating lots of little smokers.
Look, see how you've made me smoke by doing this.
You've exploded the idea in my head.
Is that a licorice paper?
It's in honour of you, Lothar.
That's one of the first ways we bonded, do you remember?
We went to this...
Oh.
It was your Deling pod that got me on to- that Piers Morgan's team trolled through to use to get me double cancelled, do you remember?
And then I was upset with you because I thought that you'd told them that they could use it.
And then we had- we didn't have a falling out, but we- do you remember all that?
When I had to go- I do!
You- you- you- you- you- you thought I was a person that I was not.
Briefly, because you didn't know who I was.
I thought that you'd given them permission, but you hadn't.
So, but anyway, our falling out only lasted about 30 seconds, so that was alright.
Yeah, you didn't know how flaky I was.
You didn't realise that I could have been... No.
Certainly I wouldn't have given them permission.
Just ignoring them.
It's not.
Yeah.
Well, you should attack them.
They should... Oh, look at that.
I love watching people smoking as well.
It's really bad.
It's so bad for us.
Well, it's not.
It's not bad for us.
What's bad for us?
It's all a conspiracy.
No, it's... But I'll tell you what, it's been bad for this section of the podcast because we're sort of so enjoying our fumes that we haven't really, um... We haven't got anywhere.
What were we talking about before?
I can't remember.
I can't remember.
Well, I've got distracted by the arrival of the fox cubs back in the house.
So I should probably go and pay them some attention.
And give them some love.
And, you know, say, Daddy loves you.
Well... Don't worry, the world's not gonna end.
I can't smoke this... I can't smoke the cigarette I'm wearing, cos that's... No, no, OK, I can... No, no, we'll say, let's... So, find something... OK, let's think.
What have we got?
Find a final topic of conversation.
What are we talking about?
No, it's GB News.
So, my view on GB News is, look, I don't... I mean, I think that the contract that they tried to impose on Mark Stein was just bloody stupid.
And that they are...
Well, the problem is that they are a warning to what happens when you try and play by the enemy's rules and the enemy in this case of the government and more specifically Ofcom, which is a sort of, you know, communist censorship organisation.
And I don't know how you get around that.
I mean, all the offs are there, aren't they?
Off-Stead, off-Gem, all of these things that are meant to be making our lives better.
Off-Stead are supervising their, you know, radicalization of our children.
Well, not radicalization.
Oh, God, I wish the radicalization of our children, but the conformity of our children.
Um, Ofgem are overseeing the world's most expensive energy possible.
Ofcom are overseeing state-sponsored censorship.
I mean, once you see it, you can't unsee it, can you?
You're just like, the whole thing is just a plan to get us little comrades to peck away at the, you know, at the millet that's provided for us.
Well, people, this is why, why do we need government?
We don't.
Well, what would we have instead of government?
We don't need government.
What would we have instead?
I, I used to, I, I, I, so I, I used to, well, come to that, something, you know, in a few podcast times, I know we're going, that's, that's a big tonne of words, but I used to think, in, in my days when I was a, um, a mainstream media Commentator, whatever.
I used to believe in the nonsense I used to spat.
I used to defend the British Empire, you know, Jolly Good Thing, Son Never Sets, blah blah blah, and Churchill, great man, and... One of the sort of panoply of received ideas that I would spat is that one needs government, of course, for defense of the realm.
And, you know, obviously we need a strong, strong military.
I mean, now I realize that the people who want us to have a strong military are the military-industrial complex.
And so then you say, well, yes, what about all these countries that want to make war on us?
Well, that's part of the part of the illusion that the First and Second World Wars were not an expression, really, of of German expansionism and stuff that was that was the again the official narrative that that
For example, all the stuff that we experienced during so-called Covid, all the scaremongering stuff, was just a more recent version of what happened in the build-up to the First World War, for example, where the British populace were whipped into this frenzy of Anti-Germanism, whatever you call it.
To the point where they were sort of- Germanophobia.
Chucking Dachshunds off buildings and chucking German pianos out of- smashing German pianos.
Yeah, Germanophobia.
Exactly.
We were taken for fools and we were played.
But what about the millions- For example.
But what about the millions who- For example.
Okay, go.
For example, this is what I suspect Carol Quigley writes about in Tragedy and Hope.
In the run-up to the Second World War, why were people forced to carry gas masks around when no one really expected the Germans were going to be dropping gas bombs?
It was a bit like masks during Covid.
It was designed to get the populace into the right state of Preparedness, but really it was trying to generate the right level of fear.
Well, I might have worn a mask.
This is serious, because we're having to... If I'd read a Wilfred Owen poem... If I'd read the Wilfred Owen poem, and then 20 years later, I was... they were telling us... Yes, well, of course they were playing on that.
Yeah.
They were playing on that, that legacy thing from the First World War.
People remembered.
There are a lot of awake people, if you think about it.
The Iraq War, a million took to the streets against the Iraq War.
A Countryside Alliance, a million took to the streets.
Yeah, not me, I'm ashamed to say.
Yeah, I was very against the Iraq War.
I lost a very good friend over that.
I said, this is appalling.
But, um, so at least I'm consistent in some ways, which is nice.
I think this hope, James, this hope, my love, There is hope.
You don't have to say that... Of course there's hope.
But there's hope in the people as well.
There must be.
God is our hope and strength, the very present help in trouble.
There's also hope in the people as well.
If a million took to the streets and they were still ignored and there was a war, which proves that no one listens to the people, it's fine.
There is some hope.
There are people that Believe what we believe.
Well of course there's hope because we're all made in God's image.
So yeah, I totally think that we are good.
It's just the baddies at the top who are batting for the other team.
We outnumber them.
It may happen.
It may happen.
We may wake up in time.
I'm just not seeing it at the moment.
We're still a minority activity at the moment, the resistance.
Well, we will, but once you are installed as the replacement for the government, everything will be fine.
You'll be a benevolent... No, no, no, I don't want that.
I don't want that.
I know, but that's the sign... I just want to be able to ride horses and read books.
Yeah, but you can, because you'll be a benevolent.
You won't have to do anything.
Everyone else will do everything.
You'll just be, they'll go... No, can you...
Can you write that into my contract?
That James doesn't... When James is in charge, he doesn't have to do anything other than read literature pre...
You know, I mean, I go up to Evelyn Waugh, but apart from that, I just... hunting and... Gravel shooting.
I don't know.
You know, trekking in Nepal, maybe.
I want all this... this is my rider.
I get to... Rule the world.
To not work.
Well, yeah, cos you're just- you're going to be our- our deity.
So, you're gonna have to spend some time in a cave, where people are gonna have to trek up the hills of Nepal to find you in the cave.
We'll- don't worry, we'll fly- we'll fly you in and out.
We'll fly you in and out, and you'll just have to sit there in front of a little brass cauldron, which is bubbling away, and then someone will say, um, James, what do we do in this situation?
And you will go, you'll say something weird, probably some, quote them some metaphysical poetry, and then they'll be off, and then you can get back on their, on their private jet back to England for a bit of hunting.
Do I get, do I get a private chef?
You do.
And you're gonna have everything you want.
Foie gras.
Foie gras.
It's gonna be good for you.
It's gonna be great.
I think this would be fair recompense for my doing the world a favour by not making any rules.
Yeah.
Because they are all... we've got the Ten Commandments and stuff, you know, God's written the rules.
I don't want to consider myself in any form of...
No, no, you're not a replacement for God, you're his representative on Earth, and therefore, you know, we just have to really glorify you, and I'll make sure, you know, it's just a couple of prayers to you, I'd say, one or two, in the morning service every day.
We thank God for everything, and then we also thank the Supreme Ruler, James Doning Pole, Except, in Psalm 2, it says, Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
And that king is quite clearly, even though it was written long before, is clearly Jesus.
No, no, it's not.
It really isn't.
Because the next line, it says, What does it say?
I will preach the law whereof the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.
So he, I, I, I, I'm not the son of God, you know.
I'm starting to think that surely a second coming is at hand.
Yes.
What rough beast, it's I'll come round at last.
Creeps to Bethlehem.
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born.
Yeah.
That's... Hasn't this been a, a mega poetry, mega poetry edition of the, of the Delingbrod?
Of the Delingbrod, which is going to be my summit.
I'm going to.
Also, I'm running out of light.
I'm running out of light.
Is that a conspiracy?
Is it James?
Does it go dark at night?
I'm feeling really bad about having polluted my office with smoke and I don't know how I'm going to get... I'm going to have to explain it to the wife now, which is not good.
Blame it on me.
Apart from that, I've really...
I've really enjoyed talking to you.
You too, my love.
I feel so proud of you.
Is there anything you want to say, where people can support you or watch you on TV?
No, yeah, I'm on... Do you have any GB News programmes that you want to plug?
I'm going to do excess deaths this week on GB News because those seem to be ignored, which is actually interesting, isn't it, in terms of the so-called pandemic, that more people are dying now.
Ooh, who would have thought it?
So I'm going to see how far, you know, because everyone's saying, well, GB News have banned everyone from talking about You know, the unmentionable jibby jab.
So I'm going to do an entire ep on Friday about it and we'll see whether they try and censor me or not, which I don't think they will.
But yeah, I'm on Jibby News.
I run the world's greatest political party, which never stands in elections.
Yet.
And what else do I do?
I wind people up on, I push back on free speech because I like free speech.
That's about me.
That's a move.
I'll see you on Friday.
Yeah, I'll see you on Friday, Loz.
So, you can support me on Patreon, on Locals, Subscribestar, and Substack, and you can buy me coffee, and please do, it'd be lovely.
Thank you very much, and thanks again, Lozza.
Make sure this is edited, James, because you vanished for about an hour to go and get your fags.
No, people like those bits.
Apart from when they're playing, then they can, you know, they can shove it in.
Good.
I love you.
Well, that was... Yeah, I love you lots, love, and go and see your kids.
Right.
Bye.
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