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Jan. 5, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Clive De Carle
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And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but look, look who I've got.
Back for, this is your third time, Clive DeKalb.
Clive, I love having you on the show because whatever you say, on whatever subject, I know is going to be really interesting.
So I don't really mind what we talk about.
But, can we just start actually, now I think about it.
Tell me again the thing you told me earlier about how to win people round through, like, people, a lot of, a lot of my, a lot of my viewers and listeners.
Have this frustration they look at what's going on in the world and they look at how many people are just still caught in the spell.
And it seems like, to us, it seems obvious what's going on and you try and truth bomb people into awareness and the opposite effect happens.
All their defences go up and they don't want to listen to us because they think we're tinfoil hat lunatics and they don't want to know.
So what's your secret?
Well, it's not my secret.
First heard about it two or three years ago, one of the people who worked with me told me about Marshall Rosenberg and his non-violent communication.
It was so interesting, really, really, really interesting.
And the first thing I learned was that if you want to get an idea across, you know, most people think if they get a new idea given to them that's really contrary to what they already think it's like an attack it's like you have hurt them physically with with the new idea yeah so how do you get past that barrier
well the first barrier that can be overcome is to ask them permission to give them this new piece of information so when i learned that that proved really useful because if i felt the moment was right and the person might be receptive i I would say, you know, if you've got the time, I learnt something really very interesting the other day that I think you might find interesting.
If you've got the time, would you like me to tell you?
So, right away they're now open to some new possibility that they may not know, that otherwise they would have, you know, shied away from because it's against what they were So go on, try it out on me now.
Imagine I'm a normie and I think that I trust my doctor, my NHS doctor.
I like the NHS.
I don't think that pharmaceutical companies would be so evil as to poison us deliberately or even for profit.
What are you going to do about it, mate?
So, what is your need here?
Why do you go to the doctor?
Is it a need for health, or what's the need?
Yes, I believe that, look, you wouldn't get all those qualifications.
You wouldn't spend three years at, or was it four years?
Five, it was.
Five?
And you've got maths, physics, chemistry, biology probably, so you've got a sciency brain, so you are the sort of person who'd know this stuff.
And clearly, you would not have a system of 100 years worth of modern medicine.
People would have seen through it by now, if it were really killing us.
It wouldn't be possible.
The papers would tell us about it.
So I trust modern medicine because I'm a modern person.
And I think alternative people are crazies, basically.
Let's just come back to your need.
Your need was for health.
Yes.
Now, so, if one's need is for health, then I would suggest that what this means is that your perfectly formed, God-given body That is in some way not performing as you believe it should, right?
Your body hasn't let you down.
Maybe the other way around, that you've, so to speak, let down your body.
You haven't perhaps eaten well enough, you haven't looked after it well enough, you've perhaps been poisoned by the environment in some way.
What you've been eating and that really what you need to do is to pay attention to what is health and I would suggest that at a very core level health is minerals.
We're full of minerals.
We're full of actually fats and vitamins.
We're full of amino acids and All things like proteins and carbohydrates are below those things.
These are just the absolute essentials.
And most people are low on these these days because they're not eating properly.
And properly is like our ancestors would have done just a few hundred years back.
And so people are paying the price where their bodies aren't capable of being perfect through lack of basic nutrition.
The doctor's view on the other hand, and what's taught at medical school, is your bodies have gone wrong, it's your fault, and we've got a drug which will lessen the pain and agony of your slow decline.
I mean this is rubbish.
It's absolute rubbish.
Five years of medical school, they do not study health as a subject.
Right?
It's just not on the curriculum.
Cures, it's not on the curriculum.
They do not study it.
At no point do healthy people come in Who say, I've never been to a doctor in my life, I'm so healthy and I'm 85 and super fit or whatever it is, right?
You'd think that you want thousands of those sort of people.
I didn't need the doctor and this is how I managed it.
But instead, they studied disease.
They studied drugs, surgery, radiation, but that's not health.
They call it a health system, but it's not.
It's not health.
Yeah, but you sound like you think that it was better in the time when... Well, I mean, you only have to look how many children died in the 19th century and how... before they had all the advantages of modern medicine.
Life was much tougher, wasn't it?
People died much earlier.
Only at certain times.
A trip to a graveyard at different periods of time will tell you a lot about when people died.
And around the really nasty periods of overcrowded towns, you know, some of the industrial nastiness that went on, people weren't eating properly, they were living in pretty unsanitary, and it was all pretty horrid.
Now, I've lost where we're going for a second, sorry.
That's all right.
And you haven't even had a spliff or anything.
You're naturally chill, aren't you?
No, well, I think probably you were slightly foxed by me so effectively playing the devil's advocate, which I'm kind of bored with doing now.
What was it you said?
Well, I was just saying about how, back in the day, people were dying in droves because they didn't have medicine.
Oh yes, that's where I got lost.
OK.
When you look at the graves, there's a lot of death of newborns, quite a lot of death up to the age of four, and a lot of mothers died in childbirth.
Take those two things out, and the others live quite long lives.
So what the press and the government have done is try and manipulate the figures so that it looks like when you put all the deaths together the average lifespan was 43.
But that's not absolutely true.
Right.
A lot of people died in childbirth in the early Victorian age.
So that skewed the average massively?
Yes.
I see, so people weren't dying routinely in what we now consider middle age.
Visit Graveyard's, have a look.
Have a look for yourself.
I've often wondered about this.
I can't remember whether we talked about this last time.
Did Victorian teenagers get acne?
Well it very much depends.
I would suggest that acne and other problems started about 1850-1851 in America when cottonseed oil was introduced as a food and cottonseed oil was
Actually is not a food but it was sold as such and various oils came out over the years and at the time people, let's say, people genuinely thought the cottonseed oil was healthy.
There had never been the research, it was just on the market.
You can trace various diseases to the introduction of more and more processed foods where, if you like, they didn't know what they were doing.
And, you know, in Boston I saw the figures of, I think, cancer and heart disease in the city of Boston before 1850 and after, and you could see an increase directly related to certain foods and changes that were We're going on.
So, erm, cottonseed oil, is that, is that, I thought they were into things like canola, which is what, er, rapeseed oil, isn't it, now?
Well, canola is, as I understand it, genetically modified rapeseed oil, and when I was young, rapeseed oil, as I understood it, was, er, machine oil.
I don't believe it was edible, believed edible at that point, and it was only as I got older that I started to see the fields of that colour yellow.
So, I don't feel that rapeseed oil is a traditional oil that your great-great-great grandparents would have used.
I don't think so.
By the way, actually, maybe I'm the only person who thinks this, But, the smell of the rapeseed flower, what does it smell to you?
I don't like it.
It smells to me... And I don't like the colour either.
The colour's horrible.
It's got the sweetness of death.
It smells slightly like a rotting corpse.
I mean, obviously not as bad as a corpse, but I've always thought, and I bet you, that it's responsible for the rise in hay fever and stuff.
I'm sure that... I mean it's quite cloying isn't it?
I've never liked it.
Almost every wild flower or cultivated flower I like but that yellow just looks wrong and yet I don't like the smell.
And I think it is wrong and people are being fooled.
I would suggest deliberately by some parties to eat the wrong oils.
What are good oils that our ancestors would have appreciated?
Well, biblically, the fat of the land, the cream of the crop, the fatted calf, always natural fats, fats and oils are the same sort of thing, were Yeah.
you know, consider the best.
What is the cream, by definition, the best?
And suddenly the media, let's say, the powers that be, the powers that suggest, suddenly suggested that fat was bad, and you should avoid it, and dementia and Alzheimer's arrived. - Yeah.
I'm sort of fairly new down the food rabbit hole.
So, So I'm sort of, obviously I haven't got the knowledge that you have, but I'm getting there.
And I try and impart my newly acquired wisdom to people.
And I try and tell them the things they need to do to get to eliminate from their diet or to change their diet to make themselves better.
Would I be right in thinking that the number one thing is don't use seed oils?
Use butter?
Yes, however, do I want to live my life like that?
Well, I think there are tweaks that one can make actually.
all the salads but not for cooking in is that is that is that um well uh so yes however do i want to live my life like that uh well i think there are tweaks that one can make actually um for instance i like cooking in olive oil but i'm very conscious to do it very slowly
i had some italian relatives and they would spend hours cooking their tomato sauce that was going to last ages in this huge huge container and part of it was the slowness okay uh of OK.
And the olive oil wasn't burning and getting hugely hotter or whatever.
So then, what if you want sunflower oil?
What if?
OK.
Actually what I like is pumpkin seed oil.
Now, I found for about 60 quid on eBay or somewhere an oil grinder.
And so what it is, is you can get your own seeds, you can sprout them if you want, you can sprout them and then dry them and then put them through.
And the oil, when it was fresh, just right done.
I'd never tasted oil like it.
It was amazing.
I tried it with sunflowers, that was ok, but nothing stand out.
The Pumpkin Seed Bomb was ultimately good.
So, after having bought this thing and realised you have to have a candle or an alcohol burner to slightly warm up the thing to get enough oil out, I realised I should have bought an electric one.
However, in a power cut, you've got lots of oil in it.
It's good.
Good arm exercise.
Almost a man who needs to buy a left-handed one to get the arm exercise with the other arm.
I think there are some alternative health things which are more trouble than they're worth.
This one is probably one of them.
Well, you see, after I came to see you last time, You gave me these delicious dried raspberries, were they?
Strawberries?
I forgot.
Raspberries.
And they were really, really good.
I thought, I'm going to live like Clive.
I'm going to create... So I bought a load of kiln jars ready for my new plan.
This is part of my survival prepping thing.
And then I bought a fruit dryer thing.
Oh, wow.
And I Thought, I'll start easy, I'll get some apples.
And I got the apples and I sliced them up and I put them into lemon juice and something else I think.
You're meant to prepare them before you put them in.
And I laboriously dried them.
And I tasted the finished product and I thought it really wasn't worth it.
I mean, the hassle of slicing the apples thinly enough.
This is one of the problems.
Let me stop you there.
I did the same thing.
I bought a dehydrator.
Not plastic, it's just metal.
Very nice.
I was quite pleased with it.
And so I cut up the apples and I did nothing but put them in, turned it on, This is it.
Every now and then for 20 odd hours or whatever.
I felt it was right, and that was it.
I put the milk in old jars, they're still perfect.
Yeah, they look a bit brownie-ish, but it really didn't matter.
Okay, so you can remove the lemon juice thing, but even so... Drying, there was no drying.
Slicing them really thinly is a real pain.
Don't, I slice them quite thick.
Okay, yeah, but then they're not, they're chewy then.
Not necessarily.
I mean, during the drying process, try them at various stages, you might be surprised.
Yeah.
Commercially, they're probably extra drying them to be absolutely careful there's no mould or anything on a partially dried one.
Yeah.
But experiment, you might be surprised at the different tastes as it dries.
When we win this one, when we get the better world that we're all striving for, which would be like a pre-industrial world in many ways, the problem is that...
Let's not pretend that the agrarian life or the pre-industrial life isn't one of physical toil, which some of us are really not...
I mean, look, I hate the evil in it.
I recognise that the modern world is run by the devil.
I'm fully on board with the evils of the world.
At the same time, it's quite nice to be able to get on an aeroplane and go somewhere nice and have cocktails served to you by you know, in Mexico and, and like have air con.
Um, and yeah, air con really.
Um, and, and all the, all the lights that work and stuff.
It's what we're going to lose quite a lot, aren't we?
When all the, when we evolve.
I mean, unless, unless people realize the con that's right in front of their faces, I mean, when I was young, the people of the UK owned the electricity system.
And for some unknown reason, a bunch of mafia-type thugs called themselves a government and said, Leave it to us.
Vote for us.
We'll represent you and we'll look after all your prized possessions like the water system and the electricity system that you've all paid for.
And over the years that turned down to we, the government, own the water that used to be yours and now, oh, we've sold it.
Oh, imagine that.
But don't worry, a few of us got really, really rich on the side.
Now, we the people of the UK, in my opinion, still own the water and still own the electricity.
Yes, a bunch of criminals have looked after it for us, kindly, while we didn't realise that we were the true owners.
And thank you very much for being the custodians, looking after it.
Shall we continue to make sure everything runs fantastically with the systems?
But actually, we're now going to just transition back to how it should be.
Yeah, yeah.
You couldn't be more right on that subject.
That to understand the world as it is now, you need to understand it in terms of Essentially mafia gangs.
Governments are... America is a criminal conspiracy.
The United Kingdom is a criminal conspiracy.
So you've got different gangs sort of jostling one another, jockeying for power.
And we are... We're the marks, we're the victims.
And that's how it works.
And I think so... I was at a party last night.
Um, in a room full of really successful people.
Well, obviously they were, because they've all been at Oxford with me.
Um, and they've been groomed for this.
They've been prepared for the life that they live now.
Every one of them in the room, apart from one person, I think.
There were two, there were two more waverers.
Everyone in the room believed in the paradigm.
And if I told them that our government was a criminal conspiracy, that America was a... Well, I did tell them.
They laughed in my face.
Most people just don't get it.
And they think that if they vote for one junior gang boss over another junior gang boss, depending on the colour of his rosette, it's going to make a difference.
Yes.
So how do you get through to them?
What, to the people?
Yeah.
Yes.
So, to ask them if you might tell them about what it is.
And if they accept your request, that yes, you can get through the first barrier, and they might listen to the next thing.
There's the saying that if you say to somebody three truths in a row, that they absolutely agree with, And that's pretty easy to do.
Then, the fourth thing you want to present to them, they're going to be much more open to think about it and assess it, rather than dismiss it out of hand, for example.
OK, so that's your second, because we took a long way to get back to the original topic of conversation, which was how to win over the normies.
And you said the first one is, You ask their permission and you get a yes out of them.
Yes, that helps.
What you're looking for are what are the person's basic needs.
Because all of us have exactly the same needs in life.
We're all basically the same, right?
We need love, we need reassurance.
We need security.
We need happiness.
We need companionship.
We need sincerity.
We need every positive facet that we love in the world.
Tranquility.
We need, ideally, access to all these things.
There's a fantastic sort of body of work, and I'm amazed that they've not taught this at school.
It's so straightforward, and it's understanding the difference between feelings and needs.
It's the work of Marshall Rosenberg, and if you haven't heard of Marshall Rosenberg, videos are absolutely out there, and as I've been watching it, it really has changed The whole way that I think about how to communicate with everybody, it's really, really quite extraordinary.
I'm just amazed I haven't come across it before.
What it is called is non-violent communication.
Non-violent communication.
How to get through the barriers and realise that every angry person, every person that might be confrontational in some way, Basically has a need at that moment.
They may come across critical to you, angry about you, but underneath that they've got a need.
And the way through is to not be, whatever they're saying, it feels like an attack.
Just ignore all that.
What you're looking for is what's their need.
And it may be, if you're calm and don't react to anything that's coming at you, that you just then in your calm know what question might help them.
You might say, Is the reason that you're angry because of some event that's happened and you would like a way to express that so that you could be calmer?
Oh, I think that would really wind them up, wouldn't it?
I mean, you're presupposing that no one has been told they're angry.
Yes, no, you're absolutely right.
That was an appalling example.
As I can tell you, I'm just learning it.
That was really bad.
I might cut that bit out.
No, don't!
Keep it in here.
We need authenticity.
So, basically, the need is always within themselves.
The knee is never about you, me, anything outside themselves.
And gosh, I should have prepared myself for this.
No, no, Clive, look, I can see that if you're picking up a new technique, it's going to be bloody difficult.
You're not going to be a master of it.
I do think, as I mentioned before, it does sound quite like a thing that a lot of people sort of sense that
makes their hackles rise and their hair on the back of their neck sort of bristle and that is NLP because they associate it with the dark arts and I know that a lot of neuro-linguistic programming can be used as a technique to manipulate people but having said that I mean if the bad guys are using it
We need to find a way of finding the good side of it and using it to advance our causes.
We're living in a culture where the forces of darkness have made all the running.
Because they've got... They invented... Who was Freud's nephew?
Edward Bernays.
They invented modern propaganda, modern marketing and advertising, didn't they?
They've been using these tricks on us for ages.
And we've been like the Eloy to the Morlocks.
Except, of course, I shouldn't be mentioning the Eloy and the Morlocks because George Bernard... Sorry, HG Wells was one of the bad guys too.
But nevertheless, we have been fed on by these evil things.
And we need to find a way of... Because it's so frustrating, isn't it?
We love our loved ones who are not awake.
We want to wake them up to help them.
It's a good thing.
It's a desirable thing.
So whatever method we can find to use.
Well, NLP is just words.
Words can be very persuasive.
Bloody hope sex is all I'm good at!
So, what's the difference between NLP and speaking?
Nothing.
NLP is just Richard Bandler and his original business partner realising that by sitting in on a rather good A hypnotist, I think they were sharing an apartment called Milton Erickson, that he was picking up, he was observing how the hypnotist was doing it.
The hypnotist didn't know what he was doing exactly, but actually he was observing what the hypnotist was doing, how clever it was, the way he asked the questions to get the answers basically, and he realised that There were certain ways you could ask a question, which elicited the answer easily.
And, you know, yeah.
I mean, it's just a way of using words with more... I'll tell you a story.
We were talking earlier, probably in the bit that got cut up, about NLP.
And I was very impressed that you'd been taught by Richard Bander.
So, do you know about the curse of the Deling pod?
Two, at least two of my guests, two chaps of whom I was very, very fond, have died since they appeared on the Delling Pot.
I have a suspicion that it may not be death jab related, I don't know, but I would speculate that it probably was.
And one of the guys was my lovely, lovely, sort of, he trained me how to do public speaking, He was really, really nice.
Lovely man.
And the other was Steve Wichit.
And I recommend anyone to listen to my old Steve Wichit podcast.
Steve dealt with people with all manner of psychological problems.
People with deep trauma.
Being gang raped, people who had PTSD from the military and so on.
And he'd teach them ways of getting around it.
And I don't know whether that bit is relevant, but when he was working with me, one of the things he was trying to encourage, the sort of the ideal quality, have you come across this term?
Congruence.
He wanted you to achieve congruence.
That is to be, I suppose another way of putting it is being happy in your skin.
And I'm sure that this relates to health and all the stuff that you've learned about and teach, that if you're happy in your skin, which basically means being on brand, knowing who you are, knowing what you're good at, knowing what you're not good at.
So I know what I'm not good at, and one of them is technology.
And I'm not very good at slick.
And I could, if I wanted to, waste lots of energy working at it and be really slick, but why?
Why not just do the... And if people don't like it, they can go on to a slick podcast with less good content.
So that's a long way of saying, I don't think it matters that we've lost...
Are you with me?
Are you with me, Clyde?
Was I rambling then, or was I telling truth?
No, no, not at all.
I mean, I often wonder what consciousness is.
Is it possible that a camera can have consciousness?
Is it possible that a computer could have consciousness?
Is it possible that a car could have consciousness?
Now, I've had coincidences happen around machines where I've sent an email, immediately regretted it, but luckily the computer didn't send it anyway.
Yeah, there was a glitch.
But the best one like that ever happened.
I was called out from my house, which at that point was in Berkshire, a couple of hours to get to North London to see a client who was very, very, very, very ill.
Anyway, I set off, everything's great and the car starts going wrong.
I'm barely on the M4 motorway and the car is not happy.
Anyway, I'm sort of I'm aware that I'm sort of hoping the car is going to get there.
I'm sort of willing it to get there.
And for over the next hour or more the car is getting worse and worse and worse until I break down outside the front door of the ill person.
Boom!
Outside.
How does that happen?
What is it?
That is...
I don't know if you'd be scared or have my heart... I was very grateful.
But let me tell you another story, because I've had a couple of very strange things happen.
When I was very young, I took a bus from Delhi up to the Himalayas.
And it was a horrendous experience.
It was very, very nice.
In the early 70s, you don't want to be in a bus.
In India, in the early 70s, for hour after hour, it was horrendous.
Oh, I do?
I'm sorry, I want to be on the hippie trail in the 1970s, man.
Well, you know, there's a fucking goat in your lap.
Yeah.
And it's made for Indians, so you're absolutely screwed.
Oh, believe me, it wasn't pleasant.
Anyway, so I get to the foothills of the mountains and I throw away the ticket, I don't care anymore.
I'm getting off, I'm going to have lunch, I'm going to have a beer.
This is just too much.
Anyway, I have a lunch and a beer and life seems to be a bit better.
I eventually found there's another bus a bit later on.
Get on the next bus, it's just as bad as the last one, and off we go up the mountain, very, very slowly, and the road is just barely a road, right?
It's just not very good.
Anyway, halfway up or something, the road's fallen away, and 60 foot down, there's my bus with everybody dead.
No!
A whole lot of them, yeah.
I had no premonition or it wasn't anything like that.
I'd just go off the bloody bus, you know, but there it was.
So it got worse in a way because then they started digging away the hillside and wanted to get the bus across this ridiculous sort of edge.
I mean, you know, at that point in India, you could almost be guaranteed every really nasty turn there would be a lorry or something smashed at the bottom.
Yes.
That, do you know what?
That is as good as your fish story.
And your fish story was, you've had some, you've had some experience, I think your guardian angel must be working overtime.
Or something.
Well I got out and about quite a bit.
Yeah, but, I mean, doesn't that not make you wonder, well, why you, have you got intuition, have you got... No, I mean, no more than anybody, I mean, I believe
That we're all part of the One, that there's One whatever it might be, and we're all expressing ourselves as infinite possibility, so that the One can experience the infinite of the infinite of the infinite, and at the core of everything is just love, and then if you're doing things
For, let's say, the highest good of all, and that sounds a bit grandiose, but whatever you most want to do, what you do, you don't need to get paid to do it, you do it anyway, you're paid to do it.
You know, people go, oh, but I can't, I don't know how, it's too difficult.
Well, if you believe that, then it is, but with application, If you really, really want something, it can be quite easy.
I mean, various people have...
My thing is, rather than try and go to interviews and look for somebody who's looking for somebody like you, but the other way around, and look for what job or what thing would you like to do that you would pay to do.
It would be so much fun.
And then go straight to the person who you would most like to work for and say, I am so keen to work with you and I'm happy to prove myself sort of thing.
And just take control of your life because most people get swept along with what the indoctrination camp told them as a child.
Yes.
It's kind of what I'm trying to tell my children, but they'd probably take it better from you.
I think people don't realise, well you don't realise when you're young, because no one tells you that you can do anything.
And you've just got to decide what it is that you most want to do, and then do it.
And they think there are all these rules that stop you.
And small things like the world's going to end next week.
Well, I mean, they don't know that, though.
But they think they do.
I mean, a lot of them are really scared.
Oh, of the eco-bullshit?
Well, any old bullshit where they get scared.
You know, they're obviously deliberately scaring the children one way or another.
And people are scared because we're very compliant, aren't they?
Ah.
You see, I think I'm more of a, the world's going to end next week, than my kids are.
Why it's not?
Well... It's going to change!
Do you want to have a go?
The end is a tad dramatic, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Well, fair enough.
But... Mmm.
Um...
Yeah, I do find it very hard to advise kids what to do when I think that the financial system is going to collapse.
Anyone, say, doing a graduate entry scheme now, for example, is going to be sorely disappointed because they're ain't never going to progress to the stage where they're making like bandits having gone through the milling stage, as it were.
Like, say you were joining J.P.
Morgan now.
You've probably got three years of hell being worked like a dog It's going to be a nightmare, isn't it?
What they do is they work you until sort of 11, 12 and then you're expected to spend two or three hours hard partying.
You may get four hours sleep and then back to it.
Because you're constantly producing material for your superiors to sell product around the world.
Anyway, the point I'm making is that The payback for having gone through that hell is that you then reach a level where other kids are doing that horrible stuff for you, and you start earning serious money.
But you're never going to get to the serious money, because by that stage, I don't think, in three years' time, there is not going to be a system which is going to be around to pay them that money.
Do people actually want that?
Well, people do, because they're living in the old paradigm.
Okay, they are.
But the people, let's say, We're interested in what you've got to say.
I mean, let's say that it is a bit doom and gloom in three years' time, or two years' time, or one year's time, or whenever.
So, what are we personally going to be doing?
Well, you know, we're perhaps going to be stocking up with things, but beyond that, should we be getting chickens now?
Yes.
The government wants to try and come and kill The chickens, you know.
With fake bird flu.
Well, I mean, look at what they did to the ash trees.
Look at what they did to the cows.
What did they do to the ash trees?
Well, they cut them all down, didn't they?
They said there's a terrible disease.
Oh, you mean Dutch elm?
The elm tree?
Well, ever since then, it's the ash.
Dutch elm was a while back.
Yes, but I... Is it recording?
No, I am very conscious about the ash trees, because I think the ash tree is the second most common tree after the oak, isn't it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what they've said is they've got a disease, so the best thing to do is not to trust nature to get through it, but we're going to cut down every ash tree in existence.
Just like the cows have got a disease, Nature can't cope with it, let's kill the lot, just like there's Covid.
Oh, sorry, I'll cut that bit out there.
And so let's... I wouldn't want to say kill everybody, that would be totally wrong, but let's inject everybody.
I mean, you know, what's the difference?
What's going on?
And what's next?
Well, indeed.
Look, I'm very suspicious of What I've learned in the last few years is that there is always the official version, and then there's the real, the true version.
So, for example, the official version is, there is a bad strain of avian flu going round right now, we have to cull these flocks.
Exactly, that's what they're already saying.
And the real reason is, we want to fuck over the population, we want them to starve them, we want to shit on their Christmas.
That is the real reason.
They want families to spend this Christmas not having their Christmas turkey in order that next Christmas they're mentally prepared or they're unbalanced so that they accept that next Christmas there's not even a kind of bit of beef to replace the turkey with like they're going to do this year.
That's what they're doing.
I haven't been paying attention to sort of what they're doing.
I've been involved in other things.
That's also news to me.
Yeah.
Well you don't have to think about everything because actually I think for a lot of us the best strategy is to just kind of live outside the system as much as possible.
Let's come back to the chickens thing.
I think everybody should be looking at chickens.
It's not that difficult to build a chicken hut or you can buy them, as I did, partially built and you assemble it, my daughter and I. One of my daughters had great fun, it only took a couple of hours to put the thing together.
Paint it with some nice green coloured paint and stuff.
And there's enough room for four birds.
Now, yeah, they're not going to lay in the winter, but all through the spring, summer, hopefully, you know... Do they not lay in the winter?
Well, you see, if you kept them in a warm environment, like the breeders do, you know, who are having eight all the time, you know, they fool nature, fool the chickens, so there's a constant cycle.
But in nature, if you're...
Once it gets too cold, they're not going to do the laying thing because it's not the right weather for it.
Ah.
What do they do in olden days?
I mean, what did people... Why is Easter such a popular thing?
Because suddenly there are eggs around.
Yes.
There's breakfast all over the place.
Do you think, I'm presuming, I'm interested in times gone by, pre-industrial era, because I'm wanting to know, I imagine that their diets were...
Better?
Seasonal.
Local.
I mean, you ate what there was.
You would have been an expert on the mushrooms.
You would have known exactly when this mushroom would be hidden.
I mean, one of the places I lived, the best mushrooms, you could not see them.
You had to know where they were to gently clear the leaves to find them.
Nobody, except the locals, would ever, they would have got lost, that knowledge would have got lost.
What sort of Russians were they?
I was living in Spain at the time and my, I had, you know, fully English knowledge of Spanish which was rubbish and I can't remember.
Okay.
It's pathetic.
Yes, because I've been through mycological phases of my life where I've been really into I had a friend who had some blue-its.
Wood blue-its.
Very nice bit of give the shit.
Then the ones to go for are Amethyst Deceivers.
Amethyst Deceivers are purple on the outside and purple on the inside.
Has to be both.
And there's nothing like it, you can't get it wrong.
And they grow... Are they good?
Oh, fantastic.
But you'd think their name would be... I reckon they were named by somebody who knew how delicious they were.
I'll call them the Amethyst Deceiver and nobody else will want them.
This is a measure, right, of how far I've come.
That I used to think, I used to think, I used to feel sorry for people who lived in, say, the Middle Ages.
Because it seemed to me that they had a diet which consisted, I mean, obviously in richer households, they had a diet which consisted of nothing but meat.
And I was thinking, where did they get their five vegetables a day from?
And of course now I think actually you can dispense with the vegetables, frankly.
I mean, you don't really need them.
It's all in the meat, isn't it?
All the good stuff.
And cheese and eggs and...
Well, there's a lot of good stuff, but today, of course, things are different to the old days.
I mean, it was Michael Palin, who I saw a documentary where he was looking at Bruegel and the paintings and the life.
They appeared to be living when the good times were happening.
Yeah.
It's quite interesting to look back at it.
But today I think there are some people who really need to eat some vegetables.
I've seen a lot of people who have been eating really, really badly.
Maybe they're full of toxins, you know, fat tends to accumulate toxins.
So maybe they're just carrying a really toxic, they're not feeling well, they're tired, they're worn out, whatever it is.
And sometimes A vegan diet, or a raw vegan diet for a month, or maybe six weeks or something, can work miracles.
Really?
Well, it depends.
You know, if somebody was very thin and shouldn't lose weight, then I'm not sure that I'd want to suggest that.
Yeah, don't put me on one.
No, I wouldn't, but... I went on it once, it's bloody boring.
Well, you've got to be hugely inventive, I think, to do that.
There's a film called Raw for 30 Days, reversing diabetes type 2.
There are a bunch of people who go to a ranch in Arizona or somewhere and they go on a raw vegan diet for 30 days.
If you go on the right diet, the right vegan diet for 30 days, type 2 diabetes will generally speaking be overdone.
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