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Dec. 20, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Andrew Bridgen MP
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Welcome to the DelicPod with me, James DelicPod.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I am so... Do you know what?
As the Americans say, I am super excited to get Andrew Bridgen on the pod.
Because... Not least because, A, Andrew is topical at the moment, really topical, and that's very unlike me.
B, he's about to...
Fly off, off to America.
So I'm really glad I've grabbed him before he goes, because I think this is going to be really important, this chat we're going to have.
Andrew, I've got lots of questions to ask you.
I'm going to, I'm going to grill you.
I mean, not, you know, lightly, you know, a bit like who was the, who was the saint that got grilled?
And then he said, right, I'm toasted on that side, so turn me over.
It's going to be a bit like that, you know, friendly grilling.
Just tell us who you are and why we're talking to you.
My name's Andrew Bridgen.
I'm the Conservative Member of Parliament for North West Leicestershire.
I've been the elected MP since May 2010.
I'm considered to be on the right wing of the Conservative Party.
I'm an ERG member.
Led Brexit for the East Midlands.
I've increased my majority in my seat at every election since 2010.
When I took it from Labour and now I've got a majority of, on paper, of 20,400.
My seat's got the highest economic growth in the UK.
From what was probably the poorest seat in Leicestershire.
It's the only seat in Leicestershire and Rutland with above average UK salaries now.
It's one of the happiest places to live in the country.
It's got the longest council tax freeze in history of 15 years.
Since we took over the council from Labour, we've never put council tax up at the District Council.
And it's the centre of population of the UK.
We're middle England, furthest from the CNA in direction.
And all that stuff would have been... When I was, like, three years ago, four years ago, I used to come round and have a smoke with you in the House of Commons, and you were definitely one of the MPs that I found most simpatico.
Because you're a straight talker, you like smoking cigarettes, which is always a good thing.
And always a good place to get gossip from.
Good point, good point.
And I liked your attitudes towards, you know, you were anti people sponging off the state, you believed in, you have a work ethic, you believe in prosperity and all the conservative things.
But of course, since we became friends, I've completely changed.
I mean, we'll talk more about this in a moment.
I've come to the view that the Parliamentary democracy is a busted flush, that our elected parliamentarians are absolutely bloody useless, that our government is not really the government we imagine it to be.
They're just puppets of a globalist elite and so on and so on.
But we'll come to that in a moment.
I've been... Tell me the bad news, James.
Tell me the bad news.
I've been speaking to you on and off about this stuff in the last two years, but mostly off, because I'd kind of given up on you.
And then you surprised me by suddenly coming out of the woodwork.
Is that the right phrase?
You've made a cracking speech.
Which I think people on my side of the argument should not dismiss as simply Andrew Bridgen covers his arse.
I think there's more to it than that, but you can tell me about this.
But you made a speech very recently in Parliament lasting 20 minutes?
With interventions, yeah.
It was about a 17 minute speech.
I think there were about four or five interventions.
Tell us what the speech is about.
And by the way, can you tell us where people can get to see this speech?
Because it seems to be quite heavily censored.
I mean, if you do a search for it, you'll get loads of stuff saying Andrew Bridgen gets jeered, Andrew Bridgen makes a fool of himself.
But it seems that the internet doesn't want people to know how to find your speech.
I think it's Shadowband.
You can get it if you go on to Dr. John Campbell and if you look it's Vaccine Potential Harms.
It's a 20 minute video there.
That's had about 600 and a half thousand views.
That video actually has been, we've checked the internet.
I've got one of my friends who's very good on this sort of stuff and up to about 24 hours ago it had been viewed 5.2 million times Not counting Getter, and it had been viewed 5.2 million times for at least 18 minutes of the 20 minute duration.
Which is pretty outstanding for social media, I'd say.
And for a backbench and adjournment debate.
And imagine how much more viewers it would have if you could find it easily.
If you could do a search and... Oh yes, you can't view it on TikTok.
It's banned on TikTok.
It's banned on... Well, I did a podcast for something called Irreverent, and that got banned on Facebook.
Well, the person who posted it got banned for 30 days on Facebook, which is pretty amazing, really.
It is, given that I was listening to that.
But, I mean, as soon as I'm on with you, I mean, we're going to get banned anyway, aren't we?
Oh, totally, yeah.
You are totally banned.
So, really, James, it's just me and you having a chat, isn't it, really?
Well, I'm going to try and make sure that my mother gets to see this.
Maybe your mother.
My speech in the adjournment, I've been putting in for that, well, I took part in a speech about six weeks ago, which was in Westminster Hall, which was as a result of a petition request about the vaccine, people with vaccine harmed, and compensation.
That was an interesting debate.
I met Dr Asim Malhotra, who's a world-renowned cardiologist.
He presented a paper, a scientific paper, pointing out all the evidence for the harms and the minimal benefit from the vaccine.
That was several months ago, and he's not had any scientific rebuttal.
I thought that We've got a chance of getting an adjournment debate.
I was told I couldn't have one.
I hadn't won in the shuffle and I think someone then at the last minute dropped out and at about three days notice suddenly I got the adjournment debate on Tuesday the 13th of December and I prepared my speech and yeah the rest as they say is history.
So give us the top line.
The top line?
What did he say?
The top line that Dr Malhotra has produced his paper.
He claims that, you know, this is a huge scandal and that there are massive harms and minimal benefits from the mRNA vaccines.
They're causing harm on a... it's going to be the biggest issue that's going to hit health care in our lifetimes.
It's a challenge to democracy and that no one's no one's come out and actually rebutted any of his claims.
And how have we got into this situation by willful blindness and we've seen examples of where individuals or institutions have decided to turn a blind eye to what they can see going on.
For various reasons of having a quiet life, not wanting conflict, to protect their own reputations from attack, potentially.
And, you know, things like, you know, how did Jimmy Savile perpetrate all his crimes for decades in the BBC when everyone knew about it but no one did?
And, you know, Harvey Weinstein in Hollywood.
Or various things like that.
Or how did Mid-Staffs happen and no one in the NHS actually said anything?
All the practices that were going on there for so long.
Did you mention all this stuff in your speech?
Or indeed the Onticontid scandal, which was brought out in the miniseries Don't Stick, where a medicine that was harming people was allowed to be Passed out and continued and covered up for.
So we've got how this could have happened.
I talked about how the big farmers' power through, you know, the pressure, the financial power, through lobbying to influence politicians, their funding of educational research and think tanks that they control, the scientists, you know, through their huge pockets in advertising, they control the media.
We get all those things together.
It's not surprising then that we can have the rollout of a vaccine that's not tested properly and is doing harm to people and is for minimal benefit being pushed by the media and the government with resulting huge Vaccine harms which are not being reported.
We've got more yellow card reports, and they're grossly underreported, probably by 90%, more yellow card adverse effect reports for the mRNA vaccines in the last couple of years than all yellow card reporting for the previous 40 years on all drugs.
The worldwide figures for more reported harms from mRNA vaccines in 18 months than all reported harms from all conventional vaccines for the last 50 years.
We have stopped vaccines before that have been rolled out.
The swine flu vaccine in 1976 was found to produce Guillain-Barre syndrome in only 1 in 100,000 adults and that was withdrawn for that reason.
And the rotavirus vaccine in 99 was withdrawn because it was causing apparently a bowel obstruction in one in 10,000 children that was withdrawn and when we're looking at you know Pfizer Pfizer's own data, the raw data of their testing trials, would indicate that there's at least a 1 in 800 severe adverse reaction to the vaccine.
And that's 1 in 800 because Pfizer only followed the people who were vaccinated for eight weeks after vaccination.
And some of the symptoms, the heart problems, the pulmonary embolism, stroke, some of those don't materialize until after eight weeks.
So it's considerably more than one in 800 are being badly affected.
And now what really pushed me over the edge was the MRHA now recommending that these experimental vaccines are suitable for children down to the age of six months.
That isn't a child, that's a baby.
There is no benefit whatsoever for them having it and there's a huge risk.
Figures from America from the American The Journal of American Medical Associations, they did a test on, I don't know who handed their children over this, but 7,600 odd under fives and one in 200 were still in hospital three months after vaccination because that was the end of their trial.
I mean, this is absolutely obscene.
It can't go forward and it's got to be stopped and everyone seems to ignore the scientific data.
No one wants to look at it and you've got to ask yourself why it's not reported in the mainstream media.
Huge interest on social media.
I've done a few interviews over the last few days for various outlets and they've all told me they've never had such viewer interaction over any issue they've ever covered.
But the BBC, ITV, Sky, Channel 4, all the mainstream newspapers.
No interest whatsoever.
It is extraordinary.
Although, funnily enough, even though I've noticed none of the newspapers or TV channels have covered your speech, they've all gone big on Andrew Bridgen suspended for some... Admin problem.
Yes.
You've been suspended for something to do with Ghana.
You had a freebie to Ghana or something?
I had a freebie to Ghana to go and sort out a tax issue for a company with a sales arm in my constituency and effectively what I've been suspended for is six or eight emails over 18 months to ministers making the case for this company That they are legitimate, the trees are all there, I've seen it all.
I didn't write on every email that I'd had a free trip to Ghana.
I declared it in my Register of Interests at the time and I told every Minister personally, I've been there, I've seen the trees with these people, I've been to Ghana and it's a genuine company.
Because Inland Revenue were treating them as a scam and saying that there are no trees.
I had meetings with the Ghanaian Forestry Commission.
I had meetings with our High Commission in Accra.
It was a three-day trip.
And I fully declared it all.
And I got a two-day suspension for that.
And I got a three-day suspension for after the investigation had been completed by the Commissioner for Standards.
I'd been told in the summer by a very reliable, very senior Labour MP that There were rumours going around she'd been touting for a peerage from the Labour Party, and I wrote a private and confidential letter to her after she'd completed her investigation into me, and passed all the papers to the committee for consideration.
So she'd done with it, asking us saying, well, you know, There are these rumours flying around.
I don't want to offend you, but these rumours are flying.
It may well be that they're... I mean, the letter's available.
You can see the letter.
It may well be that it's purely people seeking to damage your good reputation, but given that you are finishing in a few months' time, which finishes at the end of this month, could you reassure me that there is no truth in these rumours, that it's a question only you can answer?
Have you been touting for a peerage or an honour?
And she didn't answer the question, referred that to the Standards Committee and they gave me three days as an MP for asking a senior officer of the House a question of whether she'd been touting for a peerage.
Andrew, I mean, you don't even need to explain yourself to me.
It's so bloody obvious that what is happening to you is what happened, I mean... I would point out that while this has been going on, about three weeks ago, one of my colleagues in the House was found to have taken £150,000 from a Russian, wrote to various agencies on headed notepaper, which he hadn't declared the... whatever he had from the Russian, and...
I've written to various agencies saying what a jolly good chap he was, on headed notepaper, and he was let off with an apology letter.
Andrew, I think you're lucky, because... Apparently they wanted to suspend me for two weeks, in which case I would be having a recall petition.
Is that right?
You mean that you get ousted from your seat, basically?
Do you think they... Sorry, we're getting a bit inside.
I'm not allowed to say that I think that they've been unfair to me or anything, because otherwise they will give me another suspension for that.
No, I think it's... Look, listen, I think the nation is... And I think I probably deserve it.
You do.
As a taxpayer, I'm mightily pissed off that your trip, your freebie, your lavish freebie to Accra... Well, it's interesting as part of my defence was that while I was in Accra, I went to the High Commission and obviously I met with the business attaché and I said, why have I had to come here?
This is a British-owned company, the biggest plantation of trees in West Africa, 10,000 acres, employing 700 Ghanaians.
I said, why didn't you go up there and check these trees out?
And then you could vouch for them to the Inland Revenue.
I wouldn't.
And the Inland Revenue now accept that they are a legitimate company and they shouldn't be referred to as a tax scam.
It's all genuine.
And the guy said he hadn't got a budget to travel that far up the jungle, because it wasn't a pleasant drive.
It's about five hours off-road.
It's not... It's not... It was no... It was no picnic.
And, um... And it... So, that was all... So, I was all pretty upset with that, but then I went with Mere Plantations to a restaurant round the corner, straight after that meeting, and...
We'd only been in there five minutes and this business attache turned up with this huge entourage of people he was entertaining for lunch.
So I went to his table and said, yes, have you got a budget for this?
And he said he had.
So when I got back, I reported him to the Minister for Africa and the Foreign Office and said, this guy's completely incompetent and he's a waste of space.
He was moved four weeks later, which was great for our, you know, because he was incompetent.
I shouldn't have had to go there.
He should have gone and done it.
Look, I totally sympathise with this, but let's get back to the nitty-gritty.
No, we don't use that phrase.
That's a horrible... No, but you know what?
That's a fallacy.
The idea that nitty-gritty derives from the slave era, it was, I think, one of those invented pieces of crap that was drawn up, but anyway... Anyway, let's not go there.
No, let's not go there.
Lots of people are...
You very, you very much impressed, on the way here to this, you know, on the way back from, the reason I haven't shaved is because I came straight from my personal trainer, because I was getting in a session before Christmas, because I'm going to go two weeks now without a personal trainer.
So I had to rush here and then, you know, get it all sorted.
Anyway, on the way, we played your interview with, with Lawrence Fox and with Jamie Franklin.
And the wife was really impressed with your performance.
She said it's really great, he doesn't sound weird, he doesn't sound like a conspiracy theorist, he lays his facts out, I like the fact he's got a scientific background which makes him more credible, doesn't sound hysterical, blah blah blah.
So you've got the regular people on board.
That sounds very dangerous, James.
What?
They think that was very dangerous, you see.
Who?
Those who might want to label me as a conspiracy theorist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I have to say, there are people where I am who are asking the question I'm about to ask you.
Where were you these last two or three years?
Because it's not like we didn't have a chat.
Well, I know.
Well, I was sceptical about the lockdowns.
I was kept on board by Lies, which said that they'd done a full impact assessment.
Of the wider impact on society.
I think if you look back to a year ago, and if you go into Hansard and look at my contribution to the Plan B debate, which I was very clear that there was no need for any further lockdowns or restrictions, that all the data coming out of South Africa about the Omicron, the attenuation of the virus too, which was already not very lethal to even milder, which is the normal
evolution of a virus over time to be more transmissible and less pathogenic and that I couldn't support any further.
I voted four times against the government last December.
I voted against the masks, I voted against the mandate, I voted against any lockdowns, I voted against everything.
I finished my speech off by saying that the only real pandemic we're suffering in this country is a pandemic of fear and we've got to stop it straight away.
Right.
But I'm not interested in the bits where you got it right or where you were with the good guys.
I want to know the bits that you now feel... Oh, we shouldn't have had any lockdowns.
We shouldn't have had any lockdowns.
They were unnecessary.
We now know, I mean evidence has come to me now, we now know that COVID-19 was in Europe and this country probably from August 19.
I've seen some compelling evidence from medical biopsy samples that were taken in August 19 in Italy.
And I've seen the geographic location.
15% of those were infected now when they test them for COVID-19.
So it was rampant around Europe in late summer 19 before we had the lockdowns.
It's clear that the hospitals weren't overloaded and there weren't people dying in the streets.
So undoubtedly the powers that be must have known that.
So what the hell's going on and why did we have to have lockdowns which of course economically damaged us emotionally and psychologically and damaged our population, made us far less efficient, damaged our children immensely, immensely.
You know we should never have stopped the schools being open, we should never have had any lockdowns, the furlough scheme was unnecessary and this has led us to where we are now and They won't let go.
They want us to have more and more of these vaccines.
I'm double vaccinated.
My history of Covid is I actually had Covid at the full Wuhan full strength in March 20.
It went round here like a dose of something nasty.
And it was the worst thing I've ever had.
I've never had a day off ill with an illness in my life.
I've had bits of colds where I may have gone home early from work.
And then by the next morning I feel better and I go back to work.
I've never had a whole day off.
I've had a day off when I've broken my leg playing rugby and things like that, but I've never had a day off.
This knocked me for six.
I had about six days and I was never used to feeling worse the day after.
I'm used to feeling better.
It worried me.
And I would say it took about six days for it to lift.
And I didn't feel brilliant for about a month.
I had two AstraZeneca vaccinations which I regret and then I had Omicron.
I had Omicron in early December 2021 and Omicron compared to the full strength wasn't one and a half out of ten.
It was a bit of a headache, a bit of a snotty nose, a few aches and pains.
It was nothing.
Rewind a second, because I reckon that we would have had a chat in about March 2020, because we were still on speakers there.
We'd have compared notes, because I had whatever it is, the nasty bug that was going around, at about that time.
I think when I got it was about a week after the Brexit celebrations thing in London.
Do you remember that?
Oh, yes.
Were you there?
I was there.
I was there with Julia Hartley Brewer.
Yeah.
And we went with Nigel Farage to the Calgary and Gardstom afterwards.
OK.
So I didn't go to that, but I went to the one before.
There was one at that really expensive club.
The membership's like £20,000 a year or, you know, Hertfordshire.
But they wouldn't let me in.
OK.
So I went to that and I went to another thing somewhere else.
And all the The deplorables like you were there and about so we'd have had a chat about this probably about your illness.
So but I knew then.
And I haven't got a science degree like you.
I knew then, I'd spoken to people that told me, don't take the vaccine.
So I didn't.
I had no intention of doing so.
I knew quite early on that this was that they were lying to us on every level.
I didn't know the scope of the lies and the scale of the lies, but I knew.
And I would have told you this because over the over the The period when the government was sort of forcing us to lock down, even though it had never been used before for any pandemic.
I would have seen you as my great white hope.
I mean, I'd given up on most MPs, but I was thinking Andrew Bridgen, is going to, I don't know, fall on his sword, do some stuff, but instead you didn't.
I mean, okay, so you were on the right side of some votes, yeah, quite a few votes, but there must be some votes that you really, really... Absolutely, absolutely.
I was cajoled.
What were your worst mistakes?
The worst one was actually voting for the mandate on the social care workers which I was which I'd said to my whip like I just can't vote for this you know I just can't vote for this and in the end I did and I really regret that I'm really really sorry that was that's a critical vote Well, I didn't know as much as I know now.
I know a lot more now.
I mean, clearly, I mean, at that time, we were still being told that after you've had the jabs, you're going to be 100% not going to catch COVID and you can't transmit it.
Well, I mean, that, what we now know is that was lies from the start.
That was another one of those lies.
I guess, I guess I didn't want to believe That we're all being lied to.
Right.
It is quite, I mean, you know, you just change your perspective on the world and look at the position I'm in, where now I have to come to the conclusion that we have been lied to, we've been lied to by scientists, we've been lied to by politicians and we've been lied to by advisors.
Yeah, good.
Who clearly knew all the science because they weren't bothered because they were actually having parties as it turned out.
Yeah.
I think it's important to dwell on this point a while, because lots of people who sort of follow me, and I've said to them, I think Andrew is sincere.
I like him.
I kind of trust him.
And they say, well, for me, it's pretty much a deal breaker that he voted for that social care, to mandate it for social care workers.
I mean, apart from, even if you did believe it, that the vaccine was safe and effective, which, OK, subsequently... Bodily autonomy.
Well, it's the Nuremberg, and why was it the Nuremberg rules?
And that's because of what the Nazis did.
Yeah.
So, were you kind of coerced into it?
Were you bullied by the whips?
I mean, what was going on in your head that day?
I don't know, but I couldn't have been thinking straight.
Well, we were locked down again, weren't we?
Because I seem to remember it was from home.
It's not so easy, I mean, when you're not with colleagues and you can't chat about things.
We were locked down in all our constituencies, weren't we?
We weren't coming into Parliament.
I mean, it's been a very strange Parliament.
Two years in and then you've got all these new people.
I mean, I don't know all their names but normally you would know all their names because you'd have seen them in the chamber.
I mean, and then you're three years into a parliament and you've got all these new intake which you don't know their names because you've never been in debates with them and never seen them in the tea room.
Perverse.
Yes.
And it's much harder for those of us who wish to plot to do so when we're all separated.
Divide and conquer.
I think you make a good point there.
If there is any protection for the conservative, more libertarian wing, I mean we were the only ones voting against anything.
I mean there was no opposition and all the worst things that the government wanted, and looking back they were the worst things, the opposition parties wanted more of them.
They were demanding more of them.
It's unbelievable.
There was no opposition.
What was the point of voting against the government when there was no prospect of ever turning it over?
over.
I did vote against the government, but it was only a token, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But did you not... OK, so I agree.
It was very much part of the government's tactic to keep troublesome backbench MPs locked in their homes or in their constituencies while this kind of mini-Cabinet just railroaded through all this legislation.
Well, I think I compared it to government by diktat.
I mean, even the Covid measures were being brought in on a Sunday And we weren't voting on them until a Wednesday.
I mean, how does that work?
They're re-in.
We must do this immediately.
Yeah.
I mean, we'd lost parliamentary democracy over a cold.
Did you not get... were you not on the blower to various other kind of deplorables?
What would you call yourself?
I mean, you used to be called the Spartans, didn't you, in the days when we believed that Brexit... Yes, when we were going to deliver Brexit, yes.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, but we had the ERG group.
I mean, we didn't have a WhatsApp group for any dissent on this.
We've got one now, which is called the COVID Recovery Group, which that sort of came into being when we all got back to Parliament, and that led to the big rebellion over Plan B, where 101 colleagues voted against the government, and that scared them.
But we still had a bit of a lockdown, didn't we, even that Christmas?
And we also then wasted a whole, was it till the end of April, still giving away those bloody PCR tests, which was another waste of money.
More than a waste, I mean, it was absolute crime, wasn't it?
It was clearly certain people, friends of Cabinet Ministers, I mean, look at Matt Hancock, who was the Health Secretary at the time, the landlord of his pub!
It would take a bit of, I mean, you know, it's interesting that You know, that's an issue which has never been brought to standards.
No, it's extraordinary.
Bigger deal, you might say, than having a freebie tip three days in a car and going off... Only declared on my register of interests.
Yeah, but OK.
But let's not try and look like we're trying to let you off the hook.
I mean, it's a given, I think, for anyone who could observe these things, that you are being made an example of.
They don't like what you're saying.
But I'm just curious... To discourage any others?
Yeah, of course, pour encourager les autres.
But there are what, 650 MPs in Parliament?
Not the Sinn Féin ones, obviously.
OK.
But back in the day, in the days when I used to believe in the system, I used to think there are these kind of feisty MPs, like Andrew Bridgen, but also that there are a few more.
I'm quite shocked that, I think apart from Christopher Chope has spoken out, Yeah.
That's about it.
No, no, Sir Desmond Swain's had a few goes.
Sir Desmond Swain, yeah, sorry.
Danny Kruger's showing potential.
He spoke, yeah, the Divisors MP from 2019.
I used to think he was a complete cuck, but is it because he's also a born-again Christian that he kind of gets the devil element in this?
Is that the deal?
Well, I wouldn't mock the Christians if I were you.
I think we need all our friends together, quite honestly.
I think Christian values are certainly at question in what the government's policies have been and the harms that have been done when you look at the evidence.
It's indefensible.
It's indefensible.
I can't go along with it any longer, quite honestly.
So I got to the point where the evidence is so overwhelming and the radio silence from the mainstream media is so deafening that I put in for that adjournment debate.
I've been putting in for a couple of weeks trying to get it and I wanted it before Christmas because now was the time to strike and Then it happened, and so the rest is history.
We've had no pickup from the mainstream media, but massive coverage on social media.
I've had thousands, literally thousands.
I've never had so many emails from around the world and the UK on any topic.
I mean, we're talking about 500 emails on this a day coming in.
What sort of things are they saying?
They're saying that they support me, and thank you for speaking out.
And a lot of them are telling me about how they've suffered harms themselves, or they've got relatives who've died, and...
A number of them are doctors, nurses, scientists, some people in the supply chain to Pfizer that said it was immoral what was going on, and they left their job because they weren't going to be involved in this.
Really?
Yeah.
Lots of people who wanted to make contact with groups who are campaigning on this, which I've made contact with, and I've just done a podcast earlier today with NHS 100, who are You know, they've been campaigning for, you know, not to be forced to be mandated to take the jab and they're sceptical about the whole treatment thing.
So, you know, there's lots of that.
And, yeah, I mean, it's sort of taken over my life in the last week.
I was going to ask you, how big a deal is it for you, speaking out in this way?
I mean, are you basically hanging yourself out to dry?
Is this the death of your political career?
What political career?
Yeah, all right.
I was being polite.
Well, the big thing was what pushed me was the MHRA.
After the adjournment debate that I spoke in, when I got notification that the MHRA had approved the Pfizer vaccine for use on babies down to six months, then I asked the PMQ a couple of weeks ago.
I didn't have one on the order paper.
I told Rishi I was going to bop I told him what the question was because I wanted a good answer and I said, you know, I called on him to overturn the approval by the MHRA that these are not suitable for babies or necessary for babies.
I got the stock answer back that he believes that they're safe and effective.
Well, that then made me a little bit angry and I'm really determined that we're not going to approve them for babies, especially given the data from America about the risks.
I ain't coming to Parliament to see this done to children.
I think, I've already told you, I've spoken.
My response to the Queen's Speech was, we owe our children because they're the most damaged out of all the bad things we've done during COVID.
The lockdowns, everything, have damaged our young people more than anybody else.
You know, when I've got a four-year-old, you know, he spent half of his life in lockdown.
I mean, that's, you know, I'm 58.
Two years is bad enough.
But when you're four, it's half your life.
And somebody who's two, it's all their life.
You know, it's terrible what we've done.
We've really damaged them and their education and their social conditioning and everything.
And now we're going to vaccinate these babies.
So then I was determined to get this adjournment debate and I got it.
The speech was what it was.
I referenced it.
Well, I think it was 32 scientific references I gave out as a briefing after I sat down.
My staff sent that out.
I've done it all with Asim Malhotra and various scientists.
So I knew that the media would want to attack me.
So I sent them all the references for all the facts that I'd given out.
So they couldn't.
And I knew then that if they couldn't attack me and do that, then they'd have to ignore me.
And that's what they did.
But then we got it out on social media and okay it's shadow banned and it's banned off this and banned off that but still millions and millions and millions of people around the world have seen it.
How much grief have you had from the whips and people like that over this?
I haven't had a bit but I've had a bit from some colleagues across the house because what's actually happened is that a lot of people have watched that, millions of people have watched it who are somebody's constituents and they've emailed me and then said I'm emailing my MP asking them why they weren't at that important debate and what they think about it and they should support you.
Well clearly that's then creating quite a bit of casework for colleagues.
So they're all getting asked that question, you know, across all constituencies, and some of them seem to think it's my fault for posing the issue.
Well, go on, can you give me some examples?
I'm not going to name names, but I mean... No, but what sort of comments have you had?
I mean, is it hate mail, or hate emails, or...?
No, they're verbal comments in the Tea Room and various things, and, you know, and then some people have emailed me, you know, Email me the comments that the MPs have given them back to me and said, you know, don't believe Andrew Bridgen.
He's going to get suspended from the House and he's a liar and all this rubbish and any sort of deflection.
Some of them have just sent the constituent, the minister who responded to my adjournment event, Maria Caulfield's 10-minute response, which is that she's a nurse and she saw people dying of Covid, I don't doubt that, or dying of something, and that the vaccines, she believes that the vaccines made all the difference.
She quoted some figures which I intervened on her and said what you're doing is you're using It's called scientific modelling.
That's the lowest form of evidence for any science at all.
And in fact, that modelling is more science fiction than science fact.
I don't think she liked that very much.
And then she came out with the old trope, you know, they're safe and effective.
Safe and effective.
They didn't counter any of the evidence I'd given.
She didn't Talk about Dr Malhotra's evidence that he produced, and that was it really.
Great.
Wife wanted me to ask you, and I suppose it is an important question.
Are we still under a sort of wartime footing?
She was asking in the context of you being censored by the mainstream media.
Are they not reporting on it?
I have my own theories on why they're not reporting on it.
currently under some kind of gagging order from the government preventing them from talking about vaccine harms because we're still supposedly on a wartime footing?
Or is it just they're lazy cowards?
I don't know.
You'd have to ask them.
I mean, a number of senior people in those media who aren't talking about it have told me they know the truth but they're scared because they'll get sacked if they talk about it.
It's deeply worrying.
I mean, that's deeply worrying.
I don't know.
I mean, the BBC educate, inform and entertain.
Obviously, there's two sorts of BBC.
There's BBC in London.
And the other one I come into contact with is the local BBC from my constituency.
And I have a relationship with three, which is my seats bordering two counties.
So we're in Leicestershire.
I border Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire.
So Derby's only a few miles away from my northern border, as is Nottingham.
And obviously Leicester, I'm in Leicestershire.
So I do local media for BBC Derby, Leicester and Nottingham.
And I was quite happy to go and talk about vaccine harms.
And then I got the interview lined up, and then I got a text from BBC Derby, who was the first on the list, and they said that they couldn't do the interview because London had said that this is a sensitive issue and it's all being handled from London, or not handled from London.
So basically, what should they just kibosh me doing any local media?
They're not going to let me loose on BBC, Derby or Netsler or Nottingham, you see.
I get that, but is it, are we saying, is there any legislation still in place which prevents these media organs telling the truth?
I don't think so, no.
I think we got rid of all those five hours before we ended up in the next crisis to scare the people, which is the war in Ukraine.
Ah yes, well observed that.
So what was your wake-up moment?
The moment when you went from believing what the scientists and the pharma executives said to realising that everyone is lying?
I think it was when the revelation over the parties And, you know, the bring-your-own-bottle party.
And also, then, the duplicity of that is... Because, Geoff, you've worked out why it was a bring-your-own-bottle party, don't you?
No.
Tell me.
Well, it's very straightforward, isn't it, Min?
I've been entertained at Number 10 on numerous occasions over the 12 years I've been an MP, and, you know, it's got one of the best stocked drinks cabinets in the world, I imagine.
That's because they knew it was illegal, they knew it was wrong, and, obviously, if they've indented for 50 bottles of wine that have been used from the cellar, there's some paperwork.
So if you bring your own bottles, the party never happened, because they knew they couldn't They couldn't have stocks going out of the paperwork.
So that was the guilty mind that they knew what they were doing was completely against the rules of legal.
They were covering it up before they started.
I mean that's pre-planned deceit of the public and no one was supposed to know.
They knew all the science in number 10.
They have all the up-to-date figures about everything.
And, you know, they're telling us one story on the media and they're also then telling us that there was no social distancing, no masks, party and let rip.
And also, you know, I always try to be as pleasant as possible with the people I come into contact with.
I think, you know, I get interviewed a lot.
I know a lot of BBC cameramen and, you know, some of them have come to me and said, you know, during the lockdown, during the lockdown, you know, the mandates the BBC were given to go into number 10, you know, you've got to have all these tests for COVID and only one person allowed in.
So the camera was having to do the sound as well for all those staged presentations of Project Fear to the public and Whitty and whoever was on that day.
And he said, if I'd done all that on there, filming and recording, he said if I'd swung the camera around, behind the camera, there were dozens and dozens of advisors, not wearing masks, not socially distancing, and just lounging around.
Okay.
So then, clearly, it was a play.
Fine.
So, look.
Obviously, I wasn't the person who kind of raised your awareness, even though I was telling you this stuff.
I mean, you sent me a... are you allowed to say... you sent me an email, didn't you?
What did it say?
I didn't.
I sent you a text.
A text, yeah.
What did it say?
And I said, sorry James, everything you said is true.
Yeah.
You told me it was true.
So, did you think I was a nutcase?
Did you think that James has just got the wrong end of the stick, or what?
I hoped you had, and I wish what I know now was wrong.
But unfortunately, as a Conservative, I think we have to live in the world as it is, not how we'd like it to be.
And I think we've been living in the world how we'd like it to be, but this is how it is.
And now, knowing what it is, I think we have to stand up to it and fight it.
If we don't, I don't know where we're going to end up.
Is there any other MP who knows what's going on?
I think there is.
I think some of them are scared.
Some of them are still in denial.
And obviously some are on board, aren't they?
Because we all think, in the outside world, that all of you MPs basically got the saline.
That you're all in on it.
I'm vaccine harming myself.
Did you get damaged by it?
Yes.
Oh, you poor sod.
I have no schadenfreude at all, even though, you know, some of us knew.
But I think everyone who took it was basically duped.
What have you had?
I've never had any health problems in my life.
I've never taken tablets or anything.
And this summer I never had an allergy.
I had a month of solid hay fever where I couldn't Couldn't breathe properly.
And then as soon as that went in August, my body just came out in hives all over.
It was like nettle rash all over my body.
Everywhere.
Very, very itchy.
Raised about the size of a penny.
And I looked on the internet and it said, you know, vaccine harm.
I started taking very strong antihistamines, which I've never had to take in my life, and I have to take two of those tablets every day, one at night and one in the morning, else I can feel it coming back.
The first sign will be that my lips will, in the morning, it'll feel like I've been sucking on a nettle all night, my lips will be...
like this, and all swollen.
And my body starts feeling itchy.
So I have to take two of these tablets every day just to be moderately normal.
That is an autoimmune response.
My immune system's damaged.
Yeah, yeah.
And interestingly, James, when I confided this in my circle of friends who are about my own age, male, two of them said, that's amazing because we've had exactly the same thing happen to us.
Right.
Well, that's probably out of about six or seven people.
Two of them.
So, got exactly that.
I reported it to my doctor and I told her this is because of the vaccine.
It's not a coincidence.
I believe this is a yellow card incident.
Whether she's reported or not, I don't know.
I think chances of that are vanishingly small.
Am I right in thinking that MPs were not required at any stage to get the jab?
You've got some kind of weird exemption thing.
No.
You can travel without one, can't you?
No.
Not to my knowledge.
I certainly can't.
Right.
So do you think most MPs actually... I'm travelling tomorrow to America and they want... everywhere I've been they've always wanted to see my backseat status.
Right.
Right.
So you think actually most MPs have actually, in good faith, got jabbed?
I only know one who's confided in me in the last three months... ...that him and none of his family have had the jab.
Right.
So he had inside information, or listened to lunatics like me, maybe?
May have done.
And is this reflected in his voting record, or her voting record?
Yeah, probably.
He's a backbencher.
I'm not going to get involved.
No, no, no.
I don't want to reveal names, heaven forbid.
I mean, Chris Chope, he will tell you he's had his two, whatever they were, Pfizer or AstraZeneca, and he'll openly say, I'm not having any of these damn boosters.
No.
Well, I mean, you know, you caught me once.
It's interesting.
I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised or something.
I think the core assumption was that MPs were a bunch of lying, useless, sponging... They're all in on it.
They all knew.
But it doesn't sound like that was the case.
I mean, at cabinet level, they must have known the truth.
Well, somebody knows, don't they?
I mean, when you look, and we were told that during the lockdown, the multi-multi-billionaires, the richest people in the world, managed to increase the value of their wealth by 50% when most business was subdued and affected.
Well, the only way that can be is if they already knew what was going to happen and they'd already invested in all the right areas.
That means that's insider trading, because they already knew.
That's the only assumption I can come to, unless they're very lucky.
Isn't that the case?
Do you want to sketch out to me roughly what you think is going on, what all this is about?
Okay, well... Gain-of-function research, funded probably by Mr Fauci, allegedly, being done at Wuhan, No, I think that the virus got out in July of 19.
Whether it was released deliberately or by accident, I don't know.
Then people thought we're going to have a problem.
People must have known all over Europe that it was out and about.
It obviously wasn't killing that many people.
It wasn't overloading hospitals.
Every death's a tragedy, but it wasn't being seen like that.
And then, suddenly, it's an opportunity for something else.
I mean, there are reports that Pfizer and Other companies were developing the vaccine before COVID-19 was announced.
It was actually a thing.
So that creates an interesting conundrum, doesn't it?
The need answering.
Yes.
Out of interest, have you made connections with, for example, the central bank digital currencies with the Great Reset, things like that?
Because I mean, in my view, they all connect.
I was just wondering how far down that rabbit hole I want to go.
I'm very conscious it could well go that far.
I see whatever is going on that the thread to pick on is clearly, provably the vaccine harms and stopping the rollout of the vaccines and whatever unravels from there I'm quite happy to keep unraveling but I think we need to take the public with us and this is the one I can prove.
That's what I'm going to say on the media but it doesn't mean I'm not have concerns about many other issues, but I want to stick to what we can win on.
And I don't want to be discredited as a conspiracy theorist.
But clearly, you know, we've been told things that aren't true.
And there's probably a lot of things we aren't true.
I mean, I'm reminded now of the when I looked up, the guy that set up the CIA and his opening statement was when we persuaded the American, when everything the American people believe is untrue, then we will have succeeded.
Oh, I think we might be there.
Or very close.
You've been doing some good background reading.
I've been doing some good background reading.
Well, lockdown was a time for doing some background reading, wasn't it?
I can give you a reading list, Andrew.
I can point you to some really interesting things.
I'm paranoid enough already, I don't need any more, to be honest.
Well, I was going to ask you about that, talking about paranoia.
Where are you with God?
Have you made your peace?
Yeah, yeah, and he will use me as the tool he wishes to use me for.
I'm confident.
But I'm not going to back down on this.
I don't think that those who wish to discredit me, they're not going to stop.
I don't think they ever forgive or forget, so it doesn't really make any difference.
What will happen, will happen.
Yeah.
Well, can I say, I salute you.
I mean, I think it's, you know, people sort of think I'm Brave for doing what I do, but I think you're in a slightly different position from me.
I think My own view, for what it's worth, on you, I think people who are saying that you're just another shill, that you're part of the controlled reveal, and that your conversion is insincere, because look at how you voted for the care home workers to get.
Don't trust him.
I don't think that.
I know you, I know what you're up to, and I think it's probably been quite hard for Donald.
Don't you like a sinner who's seen the light and repented?
Well, exactly.
I do.
I think you do.
Well, I mean, there's a lot of us have taken the vaccine.
I mean, one thing I do find, I mean, I gave a couple of Saturdays ago, I attended the Colville Christian Men's Breakfast.
And I already decided I was going to give this speech, the one I gave last Tuesday.
I didn't know when I was going to give it, but I thought I'd just try a few of the lines out and give a little presentation.
Listen, guys.
Really, you know, I want to tell you don't take any more vaccines and don't take any boosters and don't let any of your family do it.
And certainly don't do it to children or your grandchildren.
And this is why.
And it only took about five minutes to convince the Rembers.
They joined the dots up.
I was helping them join the dots up.
And they got it.
Yeah, I've got very intellectual friends who won't let me talk about it.
They don't want to know.
And, you know, Mark Twain's completely right that for some people it's easier to trick them than persuade them they've been tricked.
And very clever people it's impossible to because they won't accept it.
It's quite a journey for them.
And it's going to shake their...
Their belief in the world.
And people don't want that.
I mean, this is the willful blindness again, isn't it?
They don't want to protect themselves.
They feel safe.
Safe thinking that all this isn't really happening.
I wish it wasn't happening.
I really wish none of it was true.
I wish I was completely wrong.
But all the evidence I'm seeing is not that.
So as a Conservative, I can't live in the world I want to live in.
I have to live in the world as it is.
Yeah.
And deal with it.
And we're going to have to deal with it, and it's going to be difficult.
Yeah.
Just a bit.
And you'll remember that the tree of democracy has to be watered with the blood of martyrs on a regular basis.
Great.
I was just listening to a podcast today about the prophet Isaiah.
Do you know what happened to him?
No.
He got sawed in half with a saw made of wood.
I think he was got by a particularly nasty king with an overactive imagination.
Don't tell the Whip's office.
I don't have any more ideas.
Nice one.
Nice one.
Andrew, I really appreciate you for cramming in this time to do the podcast.
I know you're flying off to America.
Tomorrow.
Not till tomorrow lunchtime.
Watch back.
Know what you've said about the CIA.
They're on to you, mate.
We'll see if they let me in.
They want to see my social media history.
I mean, that'll be interesting now, won't it?
Is it work or holiday?
It's both.
I'm going to be meeting some interesting people, I hope.
Some like-minded people.
Be bloody careful if you're going to claim anything on expenses.
Make sure you report them.
I'm not claiming anything on expenses!
Okay, all right.
Andrew, happy Christmas and good luck with all you're doing and thank you very much.
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Bye-bye.
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