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Aug. 26, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Dr Mark Sherwood
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Welcome to the Delling Pod with me, James Dellingpole.
And I know I always sound excited about this week's special guest, but this week's special guest really does push all the buttons and cover all the bases.
Dr. Mark Sherwood is going to be talking to us about Alternative medicine?
Is that the phrase we use nowadays, Mark?
Or what, just sensible medicine, I think, maybe?
Yeah, I think it'd be alternative, right?
But I think it's actually mainline, if you want my thought about it, yeah.
Yeah, so we can talk about health and stuff, but we can also talk about other interesting things, because you used to be a cop.
And I'm sure you've got lots of thoughts on that, what's happened to the business of policing.
And maybe we'll talk, as long as it doesn't put off our non-Christian viewers, I know it's a sticky problem for some of them, but I'm kind of into God.
And I know you are too, so we might mention him occasionally.
But first of all, tell me a bit more about yourself.
I keep forgetting the name of the institution that you've founded.
Yeah, and again, thanks for having me.
Brilliantly honored to be here and been looking forward to this.
You know, we founded the Functional Medical Institute, which is designed to really integrate Western medicine, you know, faith, emotional health, natural medicine into one to provide people a place of healing.
And so we see a lot of disease processes be reversed.
We see prescriptions de-prescribed.
A little bit of our backgrounds.
Just historically, as you mentioned, I did serve as a police officer for 24 years before becoming a naturopathic doctor.
10 years of which was on the SWAT team.
I was a former professional baseball player, bodybuilding champion.
Now we write books, we make movies, and we just got done with a campaign we ran for governor.
We've been really busy doing a lot of things, but we've been blessed to be able to help a lot of people.
So again, just really looking forward to being with you today.
I know, as you can imagine, like most English people, I know nothing about baseball.
How high in the baseball world did you get?
Were you famous?
Oh, I don't know.
I mean, I was actually able to play professionally in the country of Australia.
You know, little known fact.
So, it was part of my dream as a young man to play Major League Baseball.
But, you know, talent was probably lacking a little bit, timing was the wrong time, but I was able to play professionally in the country of Australia.
So, it was a great experience.
Right, OK.
You see, I didn't know about Australia doing baseball.
I know that the Japanese are really into it, aren't they, for some reason?
Yeah.
Because they can't play cricket, I suppose?
Yeah, the Japanese have a great league there, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I think I'm sort of more interested in your time as a cop, especially on SWAT teams.
I mean, are you one of those guys who sort of hung about on roofs with sniper rifles and things like that?
Yeah, actually I am one of those guys.
I was a sniper for the last approximately five years on the team.
Right.
The events of the last two years have been such an eye-opener for me, and everything I understood about the world, everything I believe to be true, I now think is either a deception or an outright lie.
All the authorities that I previously trusted, I now think are suspects.
And I guess that would certainly include the police.
I don't know what it's like in America right now.
But certainly, in the UK, the police seem to be much more interested in policing tweets that people make where they might say something offensive about a transgender person than they are
In arresting actual criminals and they go around in police cars painted in rainbow colors and they appear on pride parades and do sort of gay dances and things to show that how down they are with the key homosexual community and stuff.
And you kind of think, do I really want my tax money going to, you know, shouldn't they be just dealing with law and order?
Isn't that kind of their job?
Is that happening in America as well?
Yeah, unfortunately there is a trend going that way, James, and it's very sad to me because when I was serving my community and the people where I lived, it was all about protection against, you know, criminals.
Protection, being able to go out at night and not have to worry about somebody robbing you or stealing from you.
And it was about serving your community, you know, honoring people as standing in the front line Sort of against chaos and and calamity and I have seen it regress Unfortunately to where it's nothing more a lot of times than a political activation a political motivated Arm of government and we've really got to watch that and in America.
It's not quite to the level overalls is in the UK because I'm familiar with what you're talking about and But unfortunately it's going there and it's sad to me because I know a lot of people that still serve and there's confusion right now.
On one hand, they just want to do their job.
They just want to do their job.
Uh, make their money, serve their community, and go home safe at night.
On the other hand, there's so much scrutiny and so much pressure upon them to be something that they're not supposed to be.
Or maybe be something that they they are are supposed to be and so it's challenging right now and I think that even as we look at the recent events in America, you know, the the FBI case in point a lot of these men and women are just.
doing their job but yet we seem to demonize the whole thing you know it's like the old saying goes we throw out the baby and the bathwater yeah you know that kind of saying right so we we've got to be careful about this because the more Extremists get a hold of the message that they can't trust law enforcement.
They'll go out there and create a lot of violence towards everybody.
So it's a dicey subject right now, to say the least.
And I'm grieving with you in the process by which it's transpired and which it's become.
Yeah.
Look, here's one of the things I absolutely love about America and Americans.
You have this culture where It's an important part of your lives to serve your country.
So when people pass a soldier in America, this would never happen in the UK, people say things like, thank you for your service, don't they?
And people appreciate, people often volunteer for the military.
This goes hand in hand with another thing, which I think is less admirable in America.
Every other person seems to spend time being a lawyer.
It's extraordinary how many educated people in America are lawyers, and what kind of system is that?
That is going to tend inevitably towards more work for lawyers, isn't it?
Because lawyers are going to create work for themselves.
But I love the service element.
I like the kind of, you know, you being a young country, a sort of offshoot of mine, if you like.
You know, you're like these big kids and you want to go out and you want to make the world a better place, which is great.
In the last two years, I've come to realise that many of the institutions in America, especially any of the ones with three initials, are basically in service of a criminal enterprise.
That the CIA is effectively a drug-running, child trafficking, whatever.
It's a criminal enterprise.
It does not serve the interests of the American people.
The FBI, probably not quite as bad as the CIA, but pretty much getting there.
I've been brought up to believe that the FBI is about Clarice Starling nailing Hannibal Lecter.
But it ain't, is it?
I can conceive that a lot of the people who join the FBI don't know what they're joining, but surely there must come a point when they work within that institution and they realise that they're not doing what they imagined they were doing.
Yeah, it's a hard one because I actually know people that I worked with back when I was serving that actually joined the FBI, you know, for a better opportunity, perhaps more money, travel the country, so to speak, and they're great people.
But I agree with you.
Most people Don't really know what they're getting into until they get into it.
And then, once you're into it, sometimes you really don't know what you're into because you almost become part of the culture, you know, of something, right?
You sort of assimilate into that culture.
And you're right, you know, the service mentality in America, that honorable issue, is amazing.
It really is.
But the distrust that we are getting from a global community of just people, whether it be the English people, whether it be, you know, the America, it doesn't matter.
We are distrusting leadership to the core.
And I think that it's valid.
You know, James, it's really valid because the last two years has taught us that we can't trust anymore what we're told and we must question everything that we hear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how widespread is that understanding, would you say, among, well, ex-cops like yourself, among people in the military and stuff?
How many of them have been sort of subsumed by this corrupt culture and have accepted its terms, whether they're right or wrong?
And how many people have woken up, what percentage have woken up and are saying, hang on a second, this is a mess, we've got to get out of it somehow?
I think it's it's gaining a lot of momentum where people are starting to wake up more.
But I don't think it's actually to the majority yet at all.
Because like, for example, you know, the the police department, about which I served two and a half decades, I still have great relationship with many of them.
However, Even within areas that, you know, I know about now, they still don't get it.
They're like just in their little box, in their little bubble, if you will.
You almost get, because I've been there, you almost get isolated from exposure to the outside world because you're so consumed with your world.
And that's kind of how it is.
So you don't really think about really what you're doing a lot of times, just kind of going, you know, we all get to moving too fast.
We all go about our lives and we don't really think about like, what is today?
Today is August the 16th.
2022 we don't get to that point so time sort of goes by and you just behave a certain way and you get indoctrinated into a culture and without even realizing what you're doing you know so I hope that makes sense but it's it's just kind of the way it is right now It totally makes sense.
I'm currently writing this book about my relationship with Christianity, because I think that the Bible has a lot to teach us about the workings of the world.
And I do think that essentially the world is a satanic project.
OK, it's perfectly OK for non-religious people to see it in secular terms, but that is ultimately the deal, that we are fighting a battle between good and evil.
And anyway, the point I wanted to make, because I'm stuck in this chapter at the moment, and I'm trying to... because I've been through a similar position that you have with regard to my...
Trade, which is journalism.
You know, I spent, what, 35 years as a mainstream media journalist.
And I now realize that I was part of a lie machine.
I mean, you know, people grumble about how doctors have betrayed the Hippocratic Oath and so on.
But I think that few industries have been quite as responsible for the ills of the world today than my own industry of the media.
And I was looking back on my career and asking myself, well, did you not notice this at the time?
Did you not notice that you were part of a lie machine?
And the truth is, I really didn't.
You sort of accept the conventions of your trade, don't you?
You do, and that's exactly right.
I made a comment yesterday to someone in the media, and it's sad, but this is true.
Hello?
Steve, I'm doing a podcast.
I'll call you later on.
Bye.
Sorry.
Yeah, so, what happens is, today, and the powers that be know this, if you can control the media, you can control people.
Because it's shifted, and I'll give you an example of this in just a moment of what I've experienced here.
So, I've said this before, and I believe it, the media has now become weaponized.
Mainstream media because it drives a narrative on a consistent basis and it shifts more of the populational culture than even government does.
So this world media is driving the behavior of people.
Example of this, this is going way back to March of 2020.
We, my wife and I, at the Functional Medical Institute, we looked at COVID.
We saw it was a virus.
We saw it was real, whether mankind created it or not at that time.
We didn't really know at that point.
We didn't know about the gain of function idea, but we knew that the body Probably had the ability to deal with it, you know, without dying, right?
So we decided to attack this by attacking all of the comorbidities.
In other words, we wanted to eliminate obesity, want to eliminate type 2 diabetes, want to eliminate high blood pressure, all these things that actually were causing problems.
We observed, James, that young people did not die and athletic people did not really die.
So we thought, okay, let's make our systems more like that.
Well, by the time June of 2020 got here, we had seen over 2,000 people that had been exposed to and or had COVID.
Nobody died.
Zero.
And so we were feeling really good about that.
We thought, okay, let's contact the local media.
And we live in a large city.
Yeah.
James, we couldn't get anyone to run the story.
Nobody did and nobody still has.
And the reason they didn't is because the media had become weaponized.
And the more I talked about that, the more people were like, no, I can't believe that.
So what you said is very true.
You know, now journalism is not What it was supposed to be.
Now it's like there's the bosses, the powers that be, tell you what you're going to print, tell you what you're going to run, tell you what stories you're going to do.
They don't allow both sides of that.
And that to me is the heart of journalism, to promote this massively open communication of all types of information so people can make their best educated decision.
Yeah, yeah.
That was one of the things that really struck me.
I mean, look, I think the media has been corrupt for a very, very long time.
You think, just to pluck an example from the air, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, you know, that started the Vietnam War.
It was a false flag, it was fake, and yeah, I'm sure that the media reported it assiduously from the kind of, you know, exactly as the CIA would have wanted them to report it, or the American military would have wanted them to report it.
There has definitely been a shift, or an acceleration if you like, in the corruption of the media.
Because even ten years ago, had there been an alleged pandemic, I don't believe it was a pandemic technically, I mean the World Health Organization had to change the definition of a pandemic for it to meet those criteria, but had there been such an event ten years ago, I cannot imagine that newspapers would have been averse to covering, so averse to covering good news stories.
You know, people would be, the readership would be desperate for, well, is there an alternative?
And here's this guy with this, you know, he's not using, I'm presuming your protocols didn't involve pharmaceuticals of any kind.
It was all about health.
Right.
What were you, did you have any really bad patients?
I mean, patients who might well have died?
You know, our practice is really one to teach people how to proactively and prehabilitatively approach health.
Instead of being reactive to getting sick, I want to prepare my body to build a face What I'm going to face in life so that I can not just survive but thrive knowing we're going to be exposed to viruses.
We're going to have you know injuries perhaps and we need to build a recover so we don't want to have any of those like type 2 diabetes.
I don't believe should exist on planet Earth.
Yes.
I just don't believe that.
Many of our autoimmune conditions, you know, they are there because we created them.
The Western diet is a pathetic example of what you should not do.
And so, our practice, our population base has a different mindset.
So, we didn't really have anybody that from our patient base that was in a dire situation and we had some that weren't having good days i went through it and didn't have a good time at all it was like really bad you know but it was never like a thought of life or death it was like this is really bad and i'm gonna have to just lay low for a week or so here and so that's been our mindset you know and it's not a bad thing actually just briefly can i ask you about that i've been
Because I had, in the last two years, I've had two bouts of what I would call flu-like, you know.
I hate saying, oh, I had COVID twice, because I'm not even sure you can get these things twice.
There was a nasty bug going round, and I got it last time at Christmas, and I got it time before, sort of early on, when people first started to talk about COVID.
I'm pretty good about my health.
You know, I try to eat healthily.
I don't, you know, I take lots of exercise and stuff and yet I was still laid low for a few days and it sounds like you were too.
Can one not avoid that by being super healthy?
Is it inevitable?
That's a good question.
You know, I think that part of our ability To build up resilience, to build up adaptability, our immune system has great memories.
In other words, it experiences things that it's going to respond to, and it adjusts and adapts to respond to it in a better way in advance.
So part of the resiliency in life is created by exposure to things that the body is going to have to adapt to.
So I don't really think we can avoid, you know, sometimes getting little viruses or bacteria that's going to make us sick from time to time.
But I do think that that's actually, if we look at it correctly, can be a benefit to help us as we age because the body has this unique memory of all of our experiences that we carry forward and go, oh, I've been exposed to that before.
So even right now, you know, I've had people say, well, I tested positive for COVID and I'm like, great, wanna hug?
Because I don't have a care in the world About getting that, because I don't fear it.
And that's where people need to get to these days, I think.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I'm with you.
I've come to the conclusion, and you probably came to this conclusion some time ago, that the biggest threats to our health are the food industry, and the pharmaceutical industry, and the medical... So, tell me a bit about that.
Am I right?
You are.
Big food, big pharma.
And I'll put big fear in there too.
These are the destructive forces that are destroying our earth these days.
They're destroying people's lives.
You know, look at big food and big pharma.
They're tied together.
They're like married at the hip because in America we have something called the Food and Drug Administration.
I don't know what drugs had to do with food in the first place.
So I kind of call that my marriage made in hell.
You know, right?
It doesn't make sense.
And so when you talk about big food, what happened in America, which is tragic, Big food was subsidized.
So they started subsidizing genetically modifying things like wheat, corn, soy to make it cheap, to make it processed, to make money and profit.
And they took money and profit over people and those foods made people sick.
that created them to be dependent upon drugs.
So the Food and Drug Administration, in a very evil way, worked together to get you and I in bondage, literally in bondage, to big food and big drugs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, hold with me.
My phone's ringing.
Let me go turn my phone off.
Stand by.
Stand by a second.
That's your revenge.
Sorry about that.
That's alright.
Turnabout's a good play, right?
Anyway, it doesn't matter because I did it to you first.
Yeah, you were saying about... That's all good.
I didn't want it to be disturbing or put it on silent.
The unhealthy relationship between the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry, you're right.
Yes, you were talking about subsidies.
I've noticed this, that... So, my wife...
gets swollen knuckles.
And somebody suggested to her that maybe this was an allergy to wheat.
And the person explained that the new strains of wheat are not like the old wheat we used to make bread with.
And that they've been modified or whatever, and that we can't digest them so well.
So she gave up eating bread, and sure enough, the swelling went down.
Now, it's weird, because up until recently, I would have told you that this thing called the Green Revolution, whereby people like Norman Borlaug developed these short-strain forms of wheat, and that they were capable of, you know, Increasing the amount of wheat produced.
This was a good thing, but it's possibly not is it?
It's really not because the genes that we all have our genetics.
They've changed only 2% James in 10,000 years.
Two percent!
So there is a micro evolutionary process of our genes.
Now having said that, let's think about this.
The environment has changed hundreds of times over, over the last hundred years.
So now we have this chasm or this wedge between our genetics and our environment.
And so part of that environmental change has been the adaptation or genetic modification of these proteins and wheats and other foods to create again profitability, right?
The body sees that material.
In its old lens, as a non-food substance, as an enemy substance, as a foreign substance.
And when the body sees that as a foreign substance, like anything else, the immune system is induced or triggered.
Now keep in mind our immune system is like a surveillance system.
You know, air, land, sea, whatever.
And when something comes in our borders and it says, hey I don't recognize you, we should be alerted to it.
Now our alert signals in the human body, in part, are called inflammatory signals.
So when the immune system is induced by something, we will get inflammation.
And many times, like swollen joints and knuckles, the inflammation can rest right there in the joints.
And that would be the potential development of the autoimmune condition, Rheumatoid Arthritis.
You see where I'm going with this.
So, all of these subsidies, genetic modified processed foods, the reason we have so many diseases today is because these foods are looked at as foreign substances in our body.
And so now we have This increase, not in lifespan, James, but we have an increase in what's called sick span.
The times with which our body were sick is increasing during life where we are dependent upon medication more than ever before.
And so we're trending the wrong direction.
And so our platform has been Wake Up.
Pay attention, think about this, and make better decisions so you can have a life that is limited in six-pan.
I've been to America, Mark, although not recently because I haven't had the the clock shot, and your president, your marvellous president, has banned people like me, because I don't know why.
I mean, am I a plague rat or something?
What am I going to do to you?
But one of the things that always... Interesting you say that.
Yeah, I was going to say it's interesting you say that because it is ridiculous to the core of idiocy that anyone would ban James from coming to visit Mark in America because you decided with your own free will not to have a shot.
And so it's completely stupid.
I don't agree with it at all.
No, no, it is mad.
I do wonder whether I should ever be able to come to America again, because I ain't going to take the jibby jab.
But if I do ever come to America again, I know that one of the problems I'll face is finding somewhere that uh sells food you'd want to eat that is actually good for you i mean i'm always struck by you know it's not just the fast food places it's just like i mean okay you're from tulsa if i wanted to get a healthy healthy meal in tulsa it wouldn't be easy would it you know
it's not easy but my wife and i you know we travel around um the country and world as opportunity and businesses carry us.
But we've learned over time how to navigate the waters, how to select appropriately.
And we don't have trouble finding healthy stuff.
Now, it has improved a lot over the last maybe decade.
If you looked at, you know, back in the early 2000s or 1990s, it was harder to find healthy alternatives in America.
But because of the outcry of people like us, we begin to sort of vote more with our credit card.
And so now there's more healthy alternatives.
And so even if you go to some of these fast food places in America.
It limited, but there usually is one thing on the menu like they might have a piece of chicken and a salad that you can have, which may not be the best piece of chicken or the best salad, but it's the better alternative of the completely totally non-food items.
Yeah, but that's kind of what I'm getting at.
Even, okay, so that bit of chicken that you're trying to sell to me, I'm not sure I want to eat it.
And I suspect it would come with... No, it's not any good.
The lettuce it would come with would be kind of iceberg lettuce.
It would be just probably grown under, grown hydroponically.
Probably no nutrients in it.
I mean, setting aside the fact that probably vegetables and things are full of toxins anyway because the plant wants to protect itself.
But that's another story.
Yeah, I suppose what I'm saying is that Over here, you often hear people saying, Americans are just so fat, they're grotesque and they should look after themselves more.
But I think it's often not their fault.
You've had, from Kellogg and his obsession with breakfast cereals, which are a terrible way to start the day, from your farmer industry, etc.
It's very hard, isn't it, to be a healthy American?
You're in the system designed to make you ill.
You're right.
My wife, Michelle and I, James, I mean, we get up every day.
We, you know, our practice, we'll exercise.
I will pray, you know, I will get my life kind of in a centered place.
I will, you know, eat right and, you know, do my thing.
But it's interesting, America, and I'll use the terminology that you just did because it's true, America has become more fat.
and more gluttonous than I've ever seen in my life.
And it's spreading that like a wildfire around the globe.
And it really aggravates me to the core because I've said this before, America is the birthplace of the Western diet and the genesis of the obesity crisis around the world.
And I'm seeing obesity being the fastest growing non-communicable disease I believe in the history of the world.
So obesity, in my mind, is a true pandemic.
I really believe that.
And so I'm like, stop it.
And my wife and I are looked at.
Now we're leaders.
Don't get me wrong.
People respect what we do.
But we're also looked at as kind of a weirdo, freak, radical, And people in good fun would say that to us.
Oh, you're too strict.
But I think it's kind of normal actually.
And I look at the world and I think, man, how abnormal it is to walk around 75, 80 pounds, 100 pounds overweight.
It is tragic what's happening.
And so we've stood against that for the better part of a decade now.
And we find ourselves more and more and more isolated and in the minority.
But that doesn't mean we're going to stop.
That just means we're going to be encouraged all the more.
Yeah.
Tell me about your personal journey.
Was there a time in your life where you act badly and where you trusted the system more than you do now?
Yeah, there was a couple of these Keystone Moments or Benchmark Moments.
So I grew up in a small town and ate poorly and didn't know any better.
That was just how I grew up.
We didn't have much money, we ate whatever, and I found myself kind of like...
Not feeling good, you know, physically not feeling good.
And I was a little overweight, you know, wasn't really muscular and kind of was a little, maybe bullied a little bit or picked on as we used to say, right?
And so that was one of my moments that I realized I got to do something about it.
But it really hit me when I got on the police department, right?
This is a powerful thing because when I was there, I was always kind of a guy who sort of ate right and exercised And people would seek me out for advice.
But I watched as my brothers and sisters that I fought with, worked with every day.
I watched them get sicker and sicker and sicker all around me.
And I observed that about 10 years on, a person would have like a decade of service.
And they would start getting on blood pressure medications.
Diabetes medications, antidepressants, and even sleep medications.
And they were getting fatter and fatter and sicker and sicker.
And it was like, something's wrong!
And then I was put in charge of developing a wellness program for my own department.
And I didn't know what to do, so that got me started, James, on this mission to, you know, I want to seek out truth, I want to find truth and I want to understand truth and begin to communicate that to the people that I love so much.
And you talk about a battle.
It was a battle royale and it continued on and it has continued on this day.
So I I think that was probably a 25 years ago that hit me right between the eyes and I've been fighting that ever since the same story and you're right people are stuck in that system like we talked about earlier even with jobs.
They get stuck in that system.
They don't even know what they're doing.
It's like, don't you know you're in jail?
Don't you know you're in prison?
Let me get you out of here.
And it's like, even when I was arresting people, you know, putting handcuffs on them and taking them to jail, there were people that kept going back to jail.
And I came to understand by talking to them and listening that some people are more comfortable in bondage And that's what I see in the world right now.
People are comfortable in their misery.
They're comfortable in their sickness.
stay free because bondage is more comfortable.
And that's what I see in the world right now.
People are comfortable in their misery.
They're comfortable in their sickness.
And the majority don't want to get out.
Mark, that is a great insight, but also a hugely depressing one.
I mean, so if you had to put a percentage on it, what percentage of the population prefers bondage to freedom?
Well, I can look at trends across America and this is not, I'm not putting this on, this is real trends.
You know, you go back and look at the early 90s, there was one of our 50 states, you know, like territories, one of 50 states, had an obesity rate of over 10%, right?
And that was about 50 years ago.
Right now, you have multiple states At 60% or more and no states are below 35% so that obesity trend is growing.
It is predicted by the year 2050 that 100% of the U.S.
population will be either overweight or obese.
So with that said, I mean I've got to like break it to people with a direct It is the vast majority that are in bondage because they don't get support because the media won't cover status people like us that do this.
They won't give us the platform because Big Pharma is controlling everything with money.
Big Pharma controls Big Government.
Big Government and Big Pharma control the media and so people are stuck.
And so sometimes, you know, like there's a, there's a Bible story of a guy named Moses, you know, that goes into Egypt and says, Hey, you know, let my damn people go.
Yeah.
I feel like Moses sometimes, man.
I'm like, let my people go because they're suffering.
But even in that story, the people got out, but some of them wanted to go back.
Right.
So I think it's the same story today.
And I think that leaders like you and I, We just have to keep pushing, and if we can lead a few people out, we've had a good life.
Yeah, well, I mean, I consider that this is one of my missions from God, to kind of save people in different ways, you know, through information and other things.
But you're right, it's a recurring... I've just been reading the Old Testament, and it is a recurring theme, isn't it, that the children of Israel are constantly disappointing God.
They're constantly reverting to the old ways and kind of inviting a return to captivity by rejecting the ways of God.
So it's an age-old struggle here.
Yep.
But what you're saying is... It is, and it's like you mentioned earlier, it's Yeah, go ahead.
Well, I just think it's quite depressing, isn't it?
Because if you're right, if obesity is a marker of a kind of a preference for captivity, then we're doomed, aren't we?
Because, I mean, if we're going to win this one, we need to rise up and be in the majority.
Well, I look at it like this.
On one hand, it's depressing.
Because the world keeps getting darker and hope keeps getting less with what appears to be the majority.
However, on the other side of the coin, James, I'm extremely encouraged.
Because the darker it gets, the brighter the light gets.
Because it doesn't matter how dark it gets.
You take a little bit of light, it still cancels out all darkness.
And so, I've chosen to look at it over here and say, okay, I'm here at this point in time in history.
Right now, I'm talking to James Dillingpot.
Right now.
And I'm aware of that.
And I want to shine as much light as possible into the darkness.
And people are listening right now, you know, hopefully they're, they're like, hey, that's a little bit of hope.
And if we can continue to broadcast hope, Even if there's a few, that light comes together, Mark and James, two lights get brighter, people get brighter, and then we see change.
So it doesn't take a majority to bring change.
It takes a passionate, diligent, focused, mission-focused minority that's not afraid to lead the change.
Yeah.
Well, OK, so just give me a snapshot of what it's like in Oklahoma.
So Oklahoma is the Midwest, isn't it?
Is that right?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's sort of... Yeah, so Oklahoma... Tell me.
Yeah, Oklahoma's kind of South Central United States.
Most would say it's a conservative area.
But as we were saying before we went live that in America, you have.
I know we have kind of Republicans, Democrats, kind of an ideal, but in reality, I believe it's more of a uniparty, right?
And so they're all part of the problem.
So, you know, we've got the people and then we've got the politicians.
And I'm hoping at some point some representative of the people, whether it be in the UK or whether it be in the US, will get into positions of government where they can begin to represent the people correctly.
And in Oklahoma, yeah, we have a fairly conservative base and even around the whole United States, we have a fairly conservative base, but it's the big cities, James.
The big metropolitan areas that create the the blue or the more leftist dynamic that have a lot of money.
They have a lot of voices and they have all the media behind them.
So that that's the problem.
I see it.
I see it in America kind of Going from the edges of the U.S., kind of squeezing the middle, you know, squeezing it.
Are you willing to stand up the middle of the U.S.?
And so, the areas that are standing up tight for conservative principles are definitely under a lot of pressure right now.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would imagine that people in Oklahoma are, what, family-oriented, God-fearing folk, kind of old-fashioned.
Is that right?
Yeah, they would be, for the majority, God-awareness, you know, God-fearing.
They would generally be people that carry their guns, you know.
I don't want to be, don't bother me, mind their own business, family values, work hard, earn a living, don't owe anybody anything.
That's kind of the mentality you have.
Yeah.
Horses, do you all have horses?
We don't, but some people do in the country, and Oklahoma is kind of a big, uh, uh, western Oklahoma, kind of a big farming state.
Yeah.
So you'll have a lot of cattle, um, some horses, um, some pigs, a lot of crop is like wheat, a little bit of corn, but mainly wheat and soybeans the main crops here.
The reason I'm asking these questions is really I'm wondering where the revolution is going to come from because I don't share your optimism that The political system can be used to change things.
I mean, you mentioned the Uniparty, and it's exactly right.
The Republicans and Democrats were created purely to give the illusion of democratic choice, when in fact they are the same.
And I've looked at your congressmen and your so-called Republican congressmen and senators, and they might as well be Democrats.
And they're all corrupted.
They're all bought and paid for.
So I don't really...
Even if you had the best guy, you know, suppose you had, I don't know, well, suppose you stood yourself.
Suppose you, well now it's a bad example because I'm about to suggest you'd be corrupted or you'd be swamped by the system.
You'd become a swamp creature because that's what happens.
Do you honestly think that politics can change anything now?
I mean, surely we've reached the point where now the system is so broken.
Your Supreme Court is riddled with kind of paedophiles who went to Epstein Island.
Your federal courts don't seem to work anymore.
They couldn't fix the stolen election.
Nothing in America works.
Surely the only way is some form of, I don't know, revolution, even if it's a peaceful one.
Yeah, we do agree in that actually, you know, because I don't think the government's going to, I think they're beyond help at this point, you know.
I actually, as I told you, I actually ran for, to lead our state, the governor of the state.
Did not win the primary, but I believe we got 50,000 votes.
And so we did really well with a grassroots people first movement.
Now, having said that, I do think That the only, only, and I use that word quite intentionally, the only hope we have is for the people to rise up, stand together, and stand against the corrupt government.
There's a definition I think we all understand.
They use this word tyranny, you know, tyranny.
Tyranny is when the people fear the government.
But freedom, on the other hand, James, is when the government fears the people.
Yeah.
The only way to make that happen is if the people are so willing to stand up and fight, and yes, even die for the cause of freedom.
That's the only way we're going to win.
And I hope we don't get to that point.
I'm really hopeful we don't.
I'm hopeful that we don't have to get to the place where we have to say, you know, I'm going to rebel against the government and not be peaceful.
But we are at the place now where we have to peacefully rebel, peacefully speak up, peacefully question everything, and not comply to immoral, unethical, or unlawful rules, guidelines, or mandates.
Yeah.
Well, coming from an ex-cop, I mean, this must be quite a shift in your perspective.
I imagine that when you were a cop, you totally believed in all the institutions of America.
Correct.
I did.
And this has been a shift.
You know, I've taken a lot of criticism from not the majority of my former colleagues, but some on the stances I take.
But and I'll give you an example.
And this is this is a true example that anybody can relate to.
Let's say I was a police officer still right now.
If I am given an unlawful order, From a superior.
My job is to not obey that order.
My job is to disobey that order with respect.
It's called interpositional leadership.
And we have to have more people stand interpositionally in the middle because when I did that, if I disobeyed the order and said, no sir, no ma'am, I'm not going to do that because that breaks God's law and it breaks this moral law, whatever.
Then I'm doing that on behalf of two sides.
The people that I'm not going to execute the order upon, and also the people that are giving me the unlawful order.
Now I may lose my job, I may lose my career, but I'm not going to lose my integrity.
And integrity has got to be The centerpiece, and honor has got to be the centerpiece.
And that's been the message we've been trying to communicate to people.
And the more people that do that, people-wise, that's the key to holding on to this thing called freedom that we have.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'm totally with you on the principle of that, but I wonder how many people there are that think like you.
I mean, I don't know about the American police force.
I used to be really interested in war and stuff, and everything I know about the US military is that certainly your officer cast are a bunch of butt kissers.
They're more interested in promotion than they are in doing the right thing.
Not true?
Yeah, that tendency is in every military, even paramilitary organization.
You know, we had it when I was there.
I think it will always be around because, and here's why, and this is the key, this is really key for everybody out there listening.
The temptation that is in all of us for money, fame, power, influence, prestige.
is a temptation that's really in the hearts of all human beings.
It really is because, man, I want to be appreciated.
You know, I would love for people to celebrate me and give me millions of dollars just to show up and speak.
However, if I compromise my integrity for that temptation, and many people can, we all have that temptation, I have to keep it on guard.
You know, myself, my wife helped me with that and I help her.
But that's the thing that drives people down that pathway.
And you know, go back to a wonderful biblical concept, principle, the love of money being the root of all evil.
Yeah.
Not money, but the love of money being the root of all evil.
So I think that's the core of it, man, that we get out here.
And I think that that's just something that we communicate to the people that we speak with, you know, hold the line with integrity and honor.
And we believe, honestly, that money follows truth.
You know, if that's true and I believe that, then we're going to be taken care of regardless.
You know, so I know the world's in a Precarious, unprecedented place.
But I'm not going to be scared or frightful.
I'm going to be more passionate about communicating that truth.
And we're seeing some movement here in America.
It's not the majority, but I'm hoping that they'll become vocal enough to become difference makers.
Yes, yes.
One reason I asked you about, you know, how Christian is Oklahoma, it's simply that it seems to me that any Christian who understands the Bible, for example, Matthew 6, which you're kind of referring to there, you know, no man can serve two masters, you cannot serve God and mammon.
And then it goes on to tell you about how important it is not to think about what you're going to eat or what you're going to drink because he'll take care of it anyway.
But if you're not a Christian, if you don't get the message of Christianity, then it really is quite hard to adopt that mindset, because it goes against all our instincts.
We want promotion, we want nice things, we want, you know, we want cool stuff like our neighbours got.
So, how many, again, what percentage would you say of your local populace have this kind of, have this attitude, this good attitude that we're going to need if we're going to defeat the forces of darkness?
I don't think it's the majority.
I mean, where I live, there's a lot more exposure to that, you know, where people talk about it.
But, you know, what we're talking about is really internalizing something and embracing it fully, not just hearing about it out here.
We're talking about hearing it and receiving it, internalize it, and letting it embed in you, let it take root.
There's a bunch of people out here, and I don't think it's the majority.
It's a hard to say a percentage, but if I were to like guess, you know, it's a it's a rarity less than 10% to kind of think like that.
Yeah, but probably in America at least there's probably way more than 50% that have been exposed to that.
Yeah, idea and concept and then there's another the rest of them that maybe have been exposed to it and say, no, I don't want anything to do with that.
So, you know, I respect every single group.
Within that three section analysis at the same time, you know, I'm going to make sure that within my conversations.
That I'm able to hear.
I think we're given two ears and a mouth for a reason.
We probably don't listen as much as we should.
And so I've listened to people a lot in my life.
And I'm not afraid to sit down at a table and have a nice conversation with someone who maybe believes the opposite.
I really appreciate people that share The truth on what they believe as opposed to telling me just what they think I want to hear, you know?
That, the latter bores me because I don't even want to be around that.
That's not even worth my time.
But persons that have a great intellectual conversation, I can learn something, you know?
And I can help build a bridge as opposed to burn a bridge.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've got to talk about health in a moment.
It'd be a complete waste of all your expertise if I didn't.
But before I go there, I've got to ask you, when you were a cop, did you ever see stuff that gave you an intimation that the world is not as it ought to be?
Did you see examples of kind of cover-ups, corruption, really sinister shit that you wish didn't exist?
Yes, I sure did.
And it took me a long time to...
Sort of acknowledge that, but absolutely I did.
And, uh, and there's times, James, where I got to admit, I turned my head and looked the other way, you know, and I'm just, I'm just being very transparent and, and it, even to this day, I look back on it and say, why didn't I say something here or there?
And, um, I suppose I'm like everybody else, you know, I've, I've, I've experienced, uh, good choices, bad choices, consequences of both.
And hopefully I'm learning more in my life to be more consistent and aware of those so that we can be more leaders in the area of making good decisions.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the reason I ask you, and obviously I don't want to put your life in the way of danger.
I mean, if you know, if you're going to get assassinated in a, the latest fashionable thing I understand is killing people by cars.
So you take it, you take control of their car and run them into a,
I know this is more CIA, FBI stuff, but everything I've learned about the scale of the corruption in the last few years, for example, Bill Clinton drug-running operations out of Little Rock and stuff, and a lot of presidents are involved in this shit, but none of this stuff could happen without the complicity of law enforcement, for example.
I mean, are we talking that level of criminality and corruption and evil?
Did you witness any of that?
I didn't, not to that level.
You know, maybe not being quite truthful in criminal investigations, small stuff, you know, maybe evidentiary issues, things of that nature.
What sort of fitting?
I didn't see anybody where Yeah, I didn't see where there was a conspiracy to go murder somebody or anything like that.
Observationally and experientially would be that the majority of the people that I dealt with, that I know personally, are absolutely fine, awesome, upstanding, heroic people who are willing to put on a vest and carry a gun every day and take a bullet for you or I to protect us.
And that was the vast majority of what I experienced.
Yeah.
And did you have any really hairy moments where you thought your number was up?
Yeah, there was a time when I'd been on probably a year, and I was in a kind of a fight with two guys, and they were trying to take my gun out of my holster.
And I was outnumbered, scared, fighting for my life, but thankfully I was able to break free from that.
You know, subdue the situation.
Okay, but I was certainly scared and then many times, you know, you you when I was on the SWAT team, you know, you're getting shots fired your direction.
You don't know if one's going to, you know, hit me.
You go in people's houses on search warrants, smashing in their door and going in there.
You don't know what you're going to face.
You don't know what you're going to confront.
So lots and lots of times like that, James, where you're, you know, you don't know, but you know, that's why I say the majority of the men and women that serve these, our countries and serve the cities around the world are absolutely just heroic.
And they do that because they're mission oriented.
They know the mission, they know the fear, but they run right through the fear.
And heroes run at the gunfire, not away from it.
And that isn't what I've observed over my time.
And boy, it's tragic to see right now, as I said at the top of the interview, the regression Of law enforcement perspective and even actions around the globe because, boy, so disappointing what we could have had to what we have now.
Yes.
Well, it's a cultural thing, isn't it?
I mean, I'm sure you feel the same.
I believe that people are basically good, but that there are many temptations placed in our way.
And if you're in a culture where You know, it rejects the values that we believe that a law-abiding, decent citizen ought to have.
I genuinely get the impression that the corruption of the police has been deliberate.
It's been part of this plan to weaken us and to render us helpless in the face of what's happening in the world now.
This is a long-term plan.
Yeah, I would agree with that because like when we were little, young, young men's young lads, you know, there's a lot of times we'd grow up and want to be a police officer.
You know, we looked up to him.
Who are you going to call for help?
When you have a trouble, you're going to call the police officer.
But the deliberate nature of our culture has been one that teaches people To not do that, and whether it's wanted or not, I think that's a sad transgression of the way it was intended to be.
Yeah, yeah.
Before we move on to the health thing, one more thing.
Your Christianity, were you sort of brought up a Christian, or was this kind of a thing you became later on in life?
Yeah, I was brought up in You know, being taken to church all the time.
So I was exposed to, you know, preaching biblical messages by a pastor.
But I probably didn't internalize it until I was a, you know, a younger man.
I was exposed to it, you know, and kind of at eight years old, you know, I literally believed at that point.
And I remember this day particularly, kind of a light bulb moment.
I really believed that nobody told me how to lie and deceive and be stingy.
You know, like this concept of sin.
You know, I knew that it was probably in me and I believed that I couldn't earn my way to what I believe was heaven.
So at that point I did.
Internally and externally makes the commitment that I was going to believe that God did create me and that he did send Jesus this earth literally to pay the price that I owed and that Jesus Was raised again to live and so I not eight years old.
I believe that now I had my experiences over time where I would drift away from that.
Like I suppose it anybody does.
Yeah, but the more I see the evil the world the more I I know the only hope we have is to embrace the idea of a creator that is love and that that does have a hope for us.
Yeah.
Well, if we're wrong, we're in deep, deep trouble because right now I'm thinking that, you know, we're kind of dependent on God big time.
Anyway.
Yeah.
And you know, the fascinating thing about that, that I've said to people is, you know, if I'm wrong, right?
Like, so if there's no heaven and there's no hell, there's no God, right?
If I'm wrong, okay.
You know, I can live with that.
You know, I really can.
But people that don't believe that, if they're wrong, wow!
You see where I'm going with that?
It's like, if I'm wrong, okay, I'm good.
But if you're wrong, I feel horrible, you know, for what the destiny is for the person that says there is no God.
Yeah.
What you've just described is known as Pascal's Wager.
Pascal said this, that it was... Exactly.
Yeah.
Not believing in God, if he does exist, the penalties are greater than believing in God if he doesn't exist.
That's right.
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, so I'm a typical Oklahoman and I've come to see Mark Sherwood because I'm feeling a bit overweight and I'm worried about cancer because everyone's worried about getting cancer.
They think cancer is a thing that happens to you and that when it does happen to you it's a death sentence.
When you know that 70% of all big farmers' profits are from the cancer industry, you think, hang on a second, there's a reason why the Big C is this cultural phenomenon.
Anyway, I've come to see you.
What are you going to tell me about health and stuff?
I'm going to tell you that you've got to have real food.
You've got to avoid processed food.
Because it's not going to work for your body as I stated earlier.
It's going to be a foreign invader.
So we're going to eat natural foods, organic foods.
We're going to give you access to sources that we know of to obtain those.
We're going to understand secondly that you've got to supplement correctly because even if you eat well, because the ground hasn't been able to rest the way it should, and even in the best food, you're still going to be lacking certain things.
So I'm going to give you proper supplementation.
We're going to tell you, you've got to get your rest.
You've got to sleep.
I want seven to eight hours, regardless.
You say, well, I only need four.
Great.
Give me seven or eight anyway.
And so we'll work to make that happen.
I want people to exercise every day.
When you don't move, the more you don't move, the closer you are to rigor mortis.
So I want people to really understand that movement is life.
Next, I'm going to make sure that people Understand that living in chronic fear and chronic hopelessness will take away their life.
So you've got to be aware of the evil out here, but don't get so focused on it that that's all you talk about.
So disconnect from the negativity and connect more to positivity.
Be aware of it, but don't, you know, don't stay in that hole.
We actually are going to run incredible tests.
We're going to look at your genetics.
We're going to do highly advanced blood work to see what we need to do and correct different processes and give you a plan to predictably create, in James Delling Pod, disease resilience over time.
So, giving you confidence.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that.
So, presumably, although a lot of our problems are environmental, some of it are genetic and inherited.
Is that right?
Yeah.
It is, and so that's why we want to look at all those different angles and factor that into, like, we look at an individual like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
I want to make sure I'm not missing any piece of James so that I can create the best picture for you to see and you to experience in this experience called humanity.
Yeah.
And what about things like, what are the particular no-nos in terms of diet?
Well, I think we talked about genetically modified soy products are terrible.
Genetically modified wheat products are terrible.
Processed foods, refined sugars, things in boxes that you can't imagine growing from a tree or from the ground.
Under the ground or swimming in a river or maybe walking through the forest.
We want to teach people to not do those things and that would be the particularly things to avoid.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you find that your clients, patients, whatever, are they, I suppose if they come to see you, they're kind of ready to be given the tough, you know, Do you find something resistant to this or I can't do this doc?
Well, we've kind of developed the reputation over time that You know that people that we have like 10,000 people we deal with around the world a lot, you know, and and it's great.
I feel really blessed and honored but they come to us because they know what they're going to get and and I like to say that we are hope dealers.
So I give people hope again so that they can in turn go get other people hope because I think that's what The world is missing today and let's face it, disease, death, sickness and lack are great distraction points from living our life.
And as I've said many times, I'd rather live through life.
Then die through life.
So we try to give people that idea of how to do that.
And so we don't have people that are some are resistant, of course, because the change they got to deal with family matters culture, you know, different business types.
And if they're resistant, they'll keep coming back until they get it.
And if they don't get it, they eventually won't leave.
But more people come to us than leave, of course.
Yeah, I've noticed that there's an awful lot of corn syrup in American produce.
I mean, that must be really hard to eliminate.
People seem to be on quite a high sugar diet in America.
Yeah, high fructose corn syrup cannot be broken down by the liver.
So that's a primary nature of the development of something called non-alcoholic fatty liver.
And so when you do that, you destroy the ability to detoxify, which increases the risk of cancer.
And so not only do you have the weight gain, the obesity, the sugar addiction, but you have an increased risk of cancer along the way.
Yes.
And I'm right in thinking, aren't I, that sugar is a neurotoxin?
It is.
Sugar and the concept of refined sugar, James, is more addictive, as many studies with rats have confirmed, to drive the dopamine in the brain.
So it's more addictive than cocaine.
So it's harder to break a food addiction than it is a drug addiction.
Yeah, why is it that so many vegetarians eat far too... they end up eating far too much cake and sugary stuff?
I think vegetarians has been kind of a term that's been incorrectly used.
Of course, you know, like meat is bad.
I get it.
They don't want to see anything die.
But when they go down the pathway of eating all non-meat sources, I see very few vegetarians that are healthy.
Because they're lacking so many things, and I see them getting more sick, more weak, feeble, and even begin to experience muscle loss.
Yes.
I'm with you.
I mean, I must say, I've reached the point where if it weren't for my family, you know, wife would just get too pissed off if I tried this, but I think I would go carnivore.
Because why not?
Yeah, we need meats and proteins and B12 and iron and omega-3 fatty acids.
We need more vegetables, of course.
Yeah, but you know, in America we eat far too less vegetables, far too much processed food and far too much sugar, of course, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you I mean, how many of your your patients, customers have got acute systems or chronic conditions that I mean, how many of them are just kind of reasonably unhealthy and want to get better?
And how many of them have seriously dire problems that that you're hoping you can solve?
Not many have seriously dire problems.
There's a few that have chronic persistent issues, but the majority of those issues that are chronic and persistent are because they haven't made the full change to be consistent in good lifestyle.
The vast majority of our patients are having a good life.
You know they're not overweight.
They know how to do it because we're teachers.
We want to teach them how to do it and they begin to become Pretty smart and good influencers out there.
Yeah, yeah.
Can you answer the question, I'm sorry, I feel like I've got you at a party now, you know, like you meet a doctor.
It used to be the case, whenever I met a doctor at a party, I used to think, well, I've got this really embarrassing spot, Doc, can you just have a quick glance at it?
Yeah.
I wouldn't ask them now, because I think actually they're just going to prescribe me some shit, some by-product of the petroleum industry, and it's just going to mask the condition.
But, seed oils.
Seed oils are a really bad thing aren't they?
Yeah, 100% of the people that I've tested around the world for omega-3 fatty acids have been deficient.
Seed oils have become a replacement for good fatty oils from fatty fish for example.
So we need to avoid things like canola oil, safflower, sunflower, peanut oils, things that are heated Massively high temperatures and degraded those oils to where they become inflammatory.
And so, we need to also increase the consumption of things like good olive oil, avocado oil, omega-3 fatty acids, macadamia nut, etc.
like that.
Yeah, yeah.
Have you looked into... because, you know, I'm questioning everything I was told about the world.
And one of the things we're brought up to believe is that the Victorians that, you know, before they had access to the wonders of modern medicine that we've got now, you know, they were dying like flies.
And, you know, the reason they had so many children is they knew that, you know, 60% of them would die of tuberculosis or whatever, and that doctors were basically, you know, little advanced from the ones who drew blood with leeches and stuff.
Have you looked into the history of pre-Flexner Report medicine and what the health of America was like?
Yeah, I have.
Population was coming to America and it was starting to get industrialized living closer together Cleanliness sanitation issues were there, you know, you had cholera you had issues with water, you know, and just all kinds of things like that and that caused people to to die quicker and it caused lifespan to decrease.
You go back and look a hundred years ago like pneumonia was like up there one of the causes of chronic death in people.
But then you had the advent of you know modern day health care you know it's bad and it's also good you know we have you know places that have good technology to keep people alive longer.
So, we saw lifespan increase, but at the same time, as we've mentioned a few times, we saw this influx of the petroleum products, you know, drugs that have been profited on people.
So, you know, I look at that and I'm like, okay, how can I take the good, keep the good, and filter out the bad?
So, that's been part of our challenge.
Yeah.
Tuberculosis, for example.
I'm just reading the biography of Somerset Maugham and his mother, I think, died of TB.
It seems that almost everyone died of tuberculosis.
Is that a disease of poor sanitation, basically?
Why were people dying of tuberculosis and why aren't they now?
Probably...
Lack of sanitation and lack of adequate health care.
You know what, when it was there in its infancy, I think that's probably it.
You can even look at like hepatitis, the same kind of concept too.
You know, we just kind of have, but we've, we've progressed to the point where we do have the ability to see things coming.
And again, I'm not completely anti-vaccine if it's in its purest intentional
Right form and today it's out of hand you know completely so you have again the good and the bad the positive and negative and I think that's that's the challenge we have because that's why you know journalism and teaching is has got to teach all sides of everything so that we have the opportunity to make the best choice for us out of all of that but we don't have that right now it's kind of a one-way linear thinking And with the mainstream medicine.
You surely wouldn't have told any of your patients to take the, submit to the cloth shop would you?
No, not at all.
And we've had, you know, I'm not going to do it, you're not going to do it, I won't no matter what, but there's people that do and they have.
So my job is to ensure that we take good care of them no matter what happens to them.
I'm not going to take their choice away, I can't, but I'm going to sure do my best to educate them on every angle, every platform, and every bit of data that I know.
Yeah, well, listen, this is a question I ask lots of people in your field.
Because I've got friends and family who've taken the jab and I don't want them to die or get adverse reactions or whatever.
Yeah.
What do you recommend to people to undo the damage?
I've told people to do the same thing that we do for people that actually get sick in the first place.
We have a very robust immune support protocol that we put on the people and I want them to do that and be intentional about it.
You know, the food, the exercise, do the same things.
So the body is very unique.
I don't understand everything about it.
I don't think anybody will and never will know the totality of it.
But I do know that the human body is capable of doing some extraordinary things.
We have had people that's taken the COVID vaccine.
We don't advise it.
We don't encourage it at all.
But we have had people that have taken it.
And so far, we haven't had anyone Have significant adverse reactions and I'm hopeful that we can continue to use our platforms that we use with hope and faith and nutrition and all that to keep them encouraged so they won't have long-term problems down the line.
Actually, I think I'll make this my closing question.
Unless you've got Loads more interesting stuff to tell me, but this came to mind right at the beginning and I forgot about it.
And this is going to sound completely crazy shit, I know, to some listeners, but I have friends who are down the rabbit hole with me, who share my faith, who tell me that they have had success
Praying out the people who've had adverse reactions and they've prayed over them and that they've seen like almost like possessed by a sort of you know demonic forces and that they've sort of juddered and this has been successful.
Does that sound crazy to you?
Um, it doesn't sound crazy to me.
I mean, because look, I mean, why do people take that in the first place?
Because they're consumed with fear.
And fear, in my world, is really the native language of evil.
Evil and fear are kind of synonymous, right?
The more we get somebody in fear, that's what evil does, right?
So, sometimes, you know, fear is really the driver of many sicknesses and diseases.
So fear is almost like a spirit that gets in you.
Right, so we have fear, we take a vaccine, we live in fear, perpetual fear, but many times if you can with faith, faith cast out fear, just like light cast out darkness.
Yeah, so, you know, a prayer of faith.
can be offered up and if people believe in the God of faith, they believe in the God of light, they also would believe that the same God is more powerful than fear and light is more powerful than darkness.
So, I do think that that is a valid way and people should, you know, do that.
I mean, I tell people all the time, man, if you're in a hopeless place, at least try praying.
It might just help you.
That's good, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Now, Mark, you're going to totally disapprove of this, but you just reminded me of something one of my previous podcast guests said, because I was saying to him that I so do not trust anything they tell us about anything anymore.
In fact, I think the opposite of what they tell us is true.
But I'm even starting to think that cigarettes aren't as bad for you as they say, that in fact, tobacco actually might be beneficial.
And he didn't give me a sort of medical agreement on that, but he did say, he said, if you're going to smoke, you should smoke like, I'm enjoying this cigarette and it's making me feel really good.
It's what I needed.
And that often it's that kind of, oh, I'm smoking a cigarette.
I'm having a guilty cigarette and it's going to, this one could give me cancer or the next one could.
I reckon the fear is a lot to do with the, Yeah, totally.
You know, I tell people all the time, you know, make your choices, be well informed, and don't live in regret.
Again, one more time.
Make your choices, be well informed, and don't live in regret.
And whatever you choose is, again, yours.
That's the beauty of humanity, isn't it?
The beauty of life.
We get to choose, you know, right?
We get to choose upon what probabilities we calculate, you know?
Yeah.
So, no, I'm totally in agreement with you on that, man.
No, it's freedom.
I mean, that is the... Like, you know, better to... How does the phrase go?
Better to live on your feet than... You know the one about dying on your knees.
I always get it wrong.
Yeah, I'm with you.
I agree with you.
You know, I want people to have freedom and to experience all aspects of life and then choose wisely.
You know, choose wisely what you're going to do every day.
Yeah, we've been given free will.
Let's use it well.
Good.
Well, Mark Jones, thank you.
Tell us where people can find you.
Yeah, they can go to Sherwood.tv, Sherwood.tv, and we really are able to connect with people all around the world.
So, hey, we can be of service to anybody we'd love to.
And James, I really want to thank you for allowing me to come on.
You do a fantastic job, and I've really appreciated your insight and the conversation, and would love to come back anytime you'd have me.
Great.
Well, thank you, Mark.
It's been an absolute pleasure and the best of luck healing the people of Oklahoma and beyond and fighting the good fight.
And we'll keep it going, man.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're welcome.
Thank you very much.
Bye-bye.
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