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June 3, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Leilani Dowding
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Leilani, I'm really famous for doing my very careful research on my podcast guests, and I know all about you.
I know that you are on Twitter a lot, posing, draping yourself attractively over a horse frequently.
Yesterday, that was yesterday, I was just in one of those moves where I'm like, I'm sick of seeing all these trans What are they?
They're women that think they're men, trans men, that are now allowed to be top.
So I was just like, right, I'm doing it.
I'm going to drape myself on a horse like the woman did on the Calvin Klein advert, but she's a man.
Yeah, yeah, but you do more than that.
I've seen you actually do stuff like on a kind of tractor device, sort of scuffing up the, what are they called?
Yeah, I haven't bought myself a gator yet.
I've moved to a farm.
I strong-armed my fiancé into getting a farm so I could have my horses at home in case of any, you know, crazy disasters that we might go into.
And I don't know really what I'm doing, if I'm honest.
I bought myself a harrow to harrow my arena.
I didn't find myself anything to pull it with, so I borrowed a friend's gator.
And I was like harrowing around this arena trying to get the surface nice.
So excuse the background.
I'm kneeling on my floor because I've literally got no furniture either in here yet.
Right.
But look, I'm glad you're into horses because I'm into horses as well.
Although I think we should keep the horse talk fairly to a minimum because it's weird.
Not everyone is into horses.
In fact, do you know what?
There are people out there in the world who find horses, can you believe it, really boring.
My field is one of them, and I'm banned.
I'm banned from speaking about horses in front of him at the moment.
I've done it too much.
I've forced him to buy a farm, so no horses for him or your viewers.
Isn't your field, say, a rock star?
Is that right?
Yes, he is.
He's a guitar player for quite a famous rock band.
The Cult?
Well, yes, yeah.
It's hot!
I don't like the food hobby anymore in this day and age, you know, with like so many cultish things happening.
I kind of like it.
Yeah, but then on it, it's on Wikipedia.
I don't think, you know, the secret's out.
I mean, what can I do?
I don't think I've doxxed you or anything like that.
I'm just curious.
Because, like, you and I are both well down the rabbit hole.
I mean, it's possible that you're even further down than me.
Is that correct?
Well, I think we may be at the same point.
I think I was just there a bit sooner, you know.
Yeah, it's been like probably about 20 years now, so yeah.
Okay, before we go there, just give me your brief potted biography, so I don't garble it and get it wrong.
Okay, so when I was 18, well, before I was 18, I was at uni.
Well, I went to uni when I was 18.
When I was 18, I won Miss Great Britain.
Before that, I was at uni studying economics at Royal Holloway and business management as a minor.
And I left because I'd won Miss Great Britain.
I was going to take a year out and I decided to stay out of modeling um sorry to stay out of uni because i started modeling um i was offered to by the sun um they offered me a contract to do page three and i said yes i didn't tell my parents um i just did
it appeared on it and oh no the stepping stone to get into property um and that's what i did so um you know i know it's not very pc to have i've done that
but um you know it was great for me and i have no regrets and it bought me my first flat and ever since then I've been modelling, I've done a bit of TV, some reality shows.
I moved to Los Angeles when I was 23 and I moved back here about three or four years ago.
Leilani, do you know what happened just then?
Sorry.
I missed the exciting bit.
You were just about to do page three and then this is a measure of how crap the internet is with me.
I've got satellite internet, yeah.
It started raining And instantly my satellite said, oh, I can't cope with this rain.
You know, you think I'm designed for this stuff, James, but I'm not.
I'm a crappy satellite and I don't get a dish and I don't get the internet very often.
And I've decided I'm going to wreck James and Leilani's show by internet.
Anyway, I've got it back now.
But so you're about to go.
You hadn't told your parents.
I haven't told my parents.
So I did page three anyway.
My dad got a phone call from somebody from his bowling club saying, I think your daughter's in the sun on page three.
He called me.
Well, I think your daughter.
That's very tactful, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think he was like, OK, let me call you back.
Because, I mean, I wasn't going to say no.
Yeah.
And I wanted to use it as a stepping stone.
Obviously, it's not PC anymore.
There's no more page three.
But for me, it was a stepping stone to get into property.
I bought my first flat when I was, I think, 20.
And you'll see me on my Twitter as well, remodeling places, because that is my passion.
I've got a couple of properties I rent out, and I'm about to do an Airbnb property as well.
That's what I do in my spare time.
And then after modelling, I moved to Los Angeles when I was 23.
I've done a couple of reality shows, a bit of TV here and there.
And then I moved back to England about three or four years ago.
What were the reality shows?
I'm sorry, I should know all this, but I don't.
No, Tough Love Miami was one.
It was a dating show.
Sounds dodgy.
What have you got to do for tough love?
Well, we were in a boot camp.
We were all single girls and we had to get put into a boot camp.
To tell us why we were single really.
Did you have to get a buzz cut and climb over assault ropes and things?
No, no, no.
It was a dating show.
It was a dating show.
Why are all these girls single?
Personally, it's because I lived in Los Angeles and dating was almost impossible there.
So, I did that.
Yeah, because they're all different in Los Angeles.
They're all different genders, aren't they?
I mean, there's lots of... there's a thing over there.
The power elites are all... the men you think are men are in fact women and vice versa.
Is that right?
Well, it's really confusing because when I moved to Los Angeles, it wasn't like that.
It was very different.
This whole thing has just come about, I would say, in the last four or five years.
So it was very different when I moved out there.
I was young, I was 23, and I was having the time of my life.
And then when I wanted to settle down, I just found it really hard.
It's not a place that's conducive to relationships.
People are kind of flitting around all over the place and I wanted some normality and stability so I moved back to the UK.
So that's kind of what happened.
But yeah, no, Los Angeles is a very... I'd say it's quite a dark place.
It's very strange.
It's very strange.
Well, because they're all Satan whippers.
I mean, Well, there's a lot of that.
Half of them.
I never saw that personally.
But then, you know, there were signs, weren't there?
Like Angelina Jolie had the vial of blood from her ex-husband around her neck.
Megan Fox just came out and said that she drinks the blood in a ritual for her new fiancé.
Is it Megan Fox?
I think it's... Yeah, yeah.
Megan Fox.
It is.
Yeah.
So, I've got to say, I never saw it personally, but you did hear about it a lot.
And just people not wanting to settle down.
It just got a little bit dark to me and I just thought I need to go back to my family and be in England and be in nature.
Yeah, absolutely.
Before we go, I just want to find out what the other reality series was and what you had to do for that.
So you had to do a buzz cut and go on ropes for the wand to find out.
What was the other one?
The Real Housewives of Cheshire.
What?
The Real Housewives of Cheshire.
So, my fiancé's originally from Manchester, but he has a place in Cheshire.
And so when I moved back to England, we were going to move there.
Consequently, we ended up moving to Staffordshire, but we were up in Cheshire at the time, and that's where we were looking for a place to live.
And that, what did I have to do?
I had to be myself.
I think they wanted someone a lot more materialistic than me and a lot less grounded.
And again, they wanted someone who would be honest, speak openly and honestly, which is something that I've always done.
It just wasn't necessarily that I was right for that programme, because it was all about materialistic, superficial things that I just don't care about.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's fantastic that you are on the side of the, what would you call us, the righteous, the awake, because it's like if you'd
Had a crystal ball five years ago, 10 years ago, and you'd said, OK, the world is is about to be destroyed by an evil elite which wants to turn everyone into slaves and they're going to take away all your freedoms.
And the freedom fighters in 2022 are going to include a guy who was imprisoned in Cairo for sort of Islamic terrorist activity.
A former glamour model TV star.
The lady who does TV stuff about your poo and what it tells you about.
Right Said Fred.
It's like one of those movies, isn't it?
Where kind of a bunch of misfits get together to save the world.
Yeah, it really is and I would never have seen it that way.
I mean, I always thought something was boiling up ever since 9-11.
I'm like, I started getting a little bit concerned.
I was like, gosh, what if there is kind of an apocalypse and I'm gonna have to really look after myself?
What would I do?
And a lot of things changed for me then.
And I mean, I guess for modeling, I was a little bit materialistic.
Things just changed drastically then for me, because I could see that there was a lot of lies and a lot of manipulation and people waiting for a disaster to bring in new laws and new legislation, you know, under emergencies that then would stay around long term.
So But, you know, the group of us doing it that have really been outspoken and very forthright about what's going on now, it is like a group of misfits.
You could never imagine it, like, you know, however many years ago.
And I certainly didn't think that people would come to me, like, asking me a lot of questions or saying that I'd help them through, you know, their thought processes.
Because obviously, the last two years, I spoke out right almost from the very beginning.
And there are a lot of people, and there were a lot of people that felt the same way.
But they were being criticized or called selfish in doing so, and they felt very alone and very isolated.
So it was very strange for me that people would come to me and say, thank you for introducing us to this whole group of people on your social media by reading your feeds.
I feel like there's a community being built here.
So yeah, it's very bizarre.
No, I'm intrigued to know, was 9-11 your down-the-rabbit-hole moment?
Gosh, how old was I?
Because you said you've been there longer than me, a lot longer than me.
If 20 years would be about right, because that was obviously 2001.
It could have been around then.
I remember knowing things weren't right, but I'd watched a documentary and it was called Was David Icke right?
And then... And, you know, sometimes people sort of sigh when I mention David Icke.
But then I went out and I got one of his books.
I'm not sighing!
And it was... I walked into the bookshop and I'd watched this documentary about things that he'd said and predicted that had happened.
And then as I walked in the bookshop, his book was right in front of me.
It was very weird.
It was called The Bigger Secret.
And I'm like, well, this is bizarre.
I'm going to buy this.
And I read it.
And I read it all.
And it's probably the only book I've ever read just cover to cover, like, so fascinated by what he was saying.
Because there was a lot of things that didn't make sense.
He talked about the pharmaceutical industries, the food, the farming, the chemicals in our food, the way there's these groups of elites that we'll call them elites, you know, These people, these billionaires and technocrats that will meet secretly and make plans and, you know, conspire together to sway the way the world's going and, you know, because they can all do that.
When you have that much money and that much power, you can collude together to make things happen.
And he talks about all of this.
And it was very, I mean, so it was very early on, but so, you know, 20 or so years ago.
But as time went on, More and more of what I was reading was playing out.
And 9-11 was really huge because it didn't make sense.
You know, Building 7, and there was no footage of the plane.
With all the cameras around the Pentagon, there's still no footage of the plane going into the Pentagon.
So all of these things, And then, at the time, I was wanting to go to America and it was hard.
All of a sudden, you know, the Terrorist Act came on and it was very hard for people to get visas to go and work in America.
Yeah.
And even when I was doing real estate, the continuation, I was doing real estate in America, you know, five or six years ago.
And if you wanted a mortgage, You'd have to explain where all of your income was coming from under the Terrorist Act.
But if you were buying it cash, you know, put 10 million down on a house cash, they didn't have the same checks as if it was going through the bank.
So it was none of it made And still doesn't make sense to me.
So that was just a small part 9-11.
But, you know, as things go on, like you see, you see it more, you know, you see the way this emergency legislation for COVID is still here now, and it doesn't seem to be going away.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, that's how they design these things, isn't it?
It's problem-reaction-solution.
And everyone's so distracted by the problem, they don't realize what's going on.
And then they move on to the next problem, be it monkeypox or Ukraine or whatever.
So if you've known this stuff for 20 years, How have you been able to retain your relationship with the normal world?
Because, I mean, I find it really hard.
I have to sort of wear two hats.
I have to wear the hat that I'd wear talking to somebody like you, and then I'll go to a dinner party, and I'll be surrounded by people who are in the world, and I'll have to kind of continue a kind of normie conversation about normie things, trying to find things which don't sort of stick in my craw that I can still talk about without feeling like a traitor.
Well I think it's a strange one because at the time I was still modelling, so people don't have very normal conversations with people anyway.
It's always, places that I would go, it was always a very superficial level anyway.
So you never get really deep.
But occasionally, you know, I'd be there and I'd have I might mention something, you know, as kind of like a hint, like you can do now, you can test the water with people a little bit, can't you?
Like say, um, you know, you could say, have you had COVID or have you had your jab?
And then, and then suddenly, you know, someone will be like, Oh God, no, I'd never get one.
Or I've had one, but I'm not getting the rest.
And you can try it.
You can kind of see and judge where people are.
I think I was doing that back then, but like I said, it was a very different world for me because everything was always very superficial, so it would be rare to ever have, like, a very deep, meaningful conversation with somebody.
But then when I did, I'd be like, oh wow, okay, and I've still got those friends now forever.
It's like, you know, we're all on the same page of what's going on or with the, you know, you mentioned the Clintons or the Clinton Foundation and they're like, ah, okay, yeah, yeah, I've got you kind of thing.
It's like, yeah.
Well, I mean, do you live in Cheshire?
No, no, I live in Staffordshire now.
Staffordshire, okay.
So Staffordshire is not, because Cheshire, my daughter occasionally goes to parties with friends in Cheshire and she always reports back they've got these like Dallas style properties with, you know, sort of ornamental lakes and, you know, sort of indoor gyms and swimming pools and a lot.
I mean, it's the most affluent county.
It looks that way.
I'm only going by your photographs on Twitter, but it looks like you live in quite an affluent area.
Actually, it's a little village.
It's quite near to where JCB is.
And they're like, I think they have, they own a lot of the land and then there's a lot of jobs for people that work at JCB.
So I wouldn't say it's necessarily affluent, but it's a very nice property.
And I think, as I said, I've always kind of been preparing and wanting to get a little bit off the grid.
So I've always wanted to be able to have some land, be able to keep my horses at home.
I have almost like a little compound so if there was ever another lockdown or if there's any crisis my family and friends will stay with me.
So I strong-armed my fiancé into buying a, it's like a horsey property with a house and some little A few outbuildings and stuff like that.
We're definitely in the countryside and it's very pretty.
It's around nature, which I think is really important for my health to be out and about.
It's a farming place, there's a lot of farms around.
Farmers, I think, are a little richer than they like to make out.
I mean certainly certainly they are asset rich I mean the farmland is it's it's what 10,000 an acre probably gone up now it's probably even more than that in in decent Decent areas.
Um, so yeah, they've got, they've got, they're all millionaires, but probably they, they don't have an income of a, of a, of a millionaire perhaps.
It depends on, depends on, you know, the fertilizer prices and the wheat price and, and, and et cetera.
The, the, the reason I was like, it wasn't that I was being particularly kind of nosy.
I wasn't trying to do a, a kind of through the keyhole.
What I was moving on to was, well, I mean, I'm quite curious, but what I was moving on to was, um, Are there awake people around where you live?
Do you hang out with mainly awake people?
How does it work?
Yes!
So, obviously, I think by being true to yourself and as outspoken as I have, I've attracted people.
I've lost a lot of friends, so don't get me wrong, I've lost a lot of friends.
who disagree with me or disagreed with me at the start.
I mean, maybe they've changed their minds, but they stopped talking to me.
But I also attracted a lot of people that were of a similar mindset, that didn't want to lock down, that didn't want to be forced to take the vaccine, that see things for what they are.
So consequently, I started spending a lot more time with them and less time or no time with the people That thought I was selfish and a granny killer.
So that's how that kind of worked.
But there aren't a lot of people around here like that.
But funny enough, I think there's a lot in Cheshire, actually.
Because I've been up there a few times.
So I think there's been a lot in Cheshire.
But around Staffordshire, not so much.
But I did have a farmer pop round the other day.
And we got talking about it, and him and his wife was a nurse, and he was telling me about how he'd never have it.
And we got into this whole conversation.
That's great.
And it was just like, wow, I would never have thought.
I would never have thought that you'd be one of us.
And he probably never thought that I was if he hadn't read my social media.
So there are a few.
There are a few.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that...
I mean, I went to a what you would consider to be what we call a sort of very normie lunch party the other day.
And just one chap came and sat next to me at lunch who had I had no idea that he was on our side.
You know, it was a he was a history, a history professor.
And you'd think you think, well, you know, that anyone in academia is automatically going to buy into the Into the fake narrative which they've sold us for centuries.
But no, he positioned himself next to me at lunch and it was quite an eye opener.
And I also met somebody who'd had vaccine damage.
I mean, you know, her health had been the same since she'd had the booster.
I think, little by little, it's starting to trickle out into the wider community that something's not right.
I agree with you.
I think it is.
And I think a lot of people are asking questions because it's become almost like, I hate to say it, like a told you so kind of thing.
And it's really important not to, isn't, there's nothing to gloat about anyway, about being right.
Because I wish to God I was wrong.
And I, you know, I, I really wish I was wrong.
But, you know, I kind of said it at the start, and I said, this is going to destroy our economy.
We're going to be, you know, everyone's saying how selfish I am because I don't agree with locking down healthy people.
I said, but, you know, and I always said, just wait and see what's going to happen to the economy.
Just, it's unsustainable.
Printing money like this, you know, call it quantitative easing, whatever you want.
Printing money like this, giving people money to stay at home and not work, is going to have untold damage.
In the future.
And for future generations.
And here we are.
You know?
And it's played out like I said it would.
And I always said, I was never mean about it or an arsehole.
I just said, I won't have the vaccine until I see long-term data.
And I kind of knew that it wouldn't be great based on the research and the scientists and virologists and things that I'd listened to.
At the time, I was at home, not doing anything.
So all I would do was listen to doctors, but the doctors that I'd previously listened to.
So not your normal drug-pushing doctors.
The doctors that have always been into alternative health and... Yeah.
And, you know, chiropractors and people that are medical doctors but have, you know, found alternative ways to heal people without, you know, tons and tons of over-prescribing.
So, when I was listening to them, I was picking up what they were saying and it just never seemed like a good thing to me.
And then I just saw a lot of media manipulation and words being twisted and I think What was it?
It was in America, the presidency.
It was Trump versus Biden, wasn't it?
And I saw the media twist a lot of things there as well.
So anyway, I forgot what my point is.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, I was so late to the party, Leilani.
I was almost there when I read ...booked like over 10 watermelons which was about the environmental movement and I should have got it then.
Are you frozen again?
Oh, God, is it mine or yours?
Oh, no, no, no.
No, your face is frozen, but I can still hear your voice, so that's OK.
This is new technology for me.
I've never done them.
Restream Studio, Restream iO.
But yeah, I guess, look, I really ought to have known this stuff because I spent my entire Working life as a journalist and you think journalists are supposed to know stuff, aren't they?
I mean, they're supposed to have their finger on the pulse.
They got access to information that nobody else has But I didn't I completely bought into to the normie narrative Why do you think that was?
Because do you know what I'm writing a book about this at the moment.
I It's about it.
I mean, it's the working title is White Pill, because it's it's about Christianity and about my Christianity and about the things I discovered on my journey towards towards God and all the kind of all the signs that he put in my life earlier that I that I sort of now realize were science, but probably didn't at the time.
But I was trying to analyze it.
How could I be in the media and not know what was going on?
And I think the problem is that you are You know that they say that children, when you've got children, they learn far more from their peer group than they do from you, after a point.
And in the same way, I think that journalists, you hang out with other journalists, they believe the same things.
I mean, take 9-11.
No journalist I ever met In the course of my mainstream media career ever entertained the idea that 9-11 was anything other than an attack on America on the free world planned by a bearded man in a cave in Afghanistan.
It was just like everyone else was saying this and so why would you even question that there could be an alternative?
I mean one was vaguely aware of these things called conspiracy theories But you knew that these were things to be avoided because the kind of people who believed in this stuff were conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theorists really had no place in in civilized intelligent discourse because We knew better than that and if you'd asked that you know if you prodded us and say well How do you know better than that you do?
I mean it might have it might have sort of caused you a sort of cognitive dissonance but never did ask me that so I never I never had to make that journey.
Because it's a weird thing because I do often think that it that sometimes like for me If I think about it, it's probably my questioning started really young, like as a kid.
So I'd be the annoying person in school when the teacher at the end says, you've got any questions?
And if everyone shuts up, everyone can go off and finish lesson, right?
But I'd always be, but why is that?
And how is that?
And why does that happen?
And I was probably like so annoying.
But I think even as a kid I had to know why and how and then I, so I've always questioned everything until it all makes sense to me.
But then I think people, but then like you said, what was it that made you suddenly think okay something's Up now.
Ah, yes.
I interrupted my own story, didn't I?
I forgot.
I got distracted from what the point of it was.
So the entry point to the rabbit hole for me was the stolen presidential election.
Inasmuch as I could see that there was no way that the that an incontinent child head stroking crook in the pay of the CCP with a son who was a serial pedo, allegedly.
Who didn't even bother going on the campaign trail because because he was so toxic and so gaff prone that his his minders wouldn't let him appear in, you know, on the campaign trail, whereas President Trump was out there all over the shop, working the crowds, clearly popular.
There was no way that Biden was going to win.
And I confidently put money on on on on Biden losing.
And instead, lo, this guy amazingly won by a significant amount.
And I thought, well, hang on a second.
I've seen evidence.
I've seen video evidence of ballot boxes being tampered with.
I've seen what happened, you know, the way that in the middle of the night Trump was winning and then suddenly Biden was winning.
And it wasn't so much the facts of the election theft, Which made me question everything.
It was the fact that nobody, nobody in the mainstream media, none of my colleagues, not even on the conservative publications that I wrote for, None of them was even questioning the possibility that the election might have been stolen, or even that something might have been amiss.
And I thought to myself, hang on a second.
I went into journalism, A, because I'm unsuited to a proper job, and B, because I'm a nosy bugger.
I want to know what's going on.
I don't like authority particularly.
I don't like obeying orders.
I like doing my own thang, you know, because I'm a kind of free spirit man.
I thought, well, I thought all my colleagues were like that too.
I thought, how can you be not interested in the truth?
You know, if dodgy stuff is going on in America, this land that we've been brought up to believe is the leader of the free world, a land of the free, we've watched all the westerns about the cowboys and Indians, and then later on with my brother, We watched on our VHS videos in the school holidays, we watched non-stop NAMM movies and we wanted to be American soldiers because obviously the Americans were the goodies.
We wanted to be special forces so we could get Tiger Stripe special forces combat kit like Robert De Niro has in the Deer Hunter.
All this stuff!
And suddenly, this understanding we had of the world, of who's a goody and who's a baddy, and what the job of the media is, to report on the truth, my whole world was turned upside down, because none of the certainties that I'd taken for granted seemed to be true.
And that was a shock.
And I think that's the shock you need to go down the rabbit hole.
You need something that makes you go, well, I'm going to question everything.
Because if this thing isn't true, maybe all the other things I believe aren't true either.
No, that's very, what you said is very true.
And it's funny because there'll be times when, I think a lot of people don't like to admit they're wrong either, as well.
I think that's a big problem when people can't go, wait a minute, like you just said, I've just realised that for such a long time I didn't look at other things.
But a lot of people don't want to make that realisation and they just want, so they'll just go, no it must be right and everything else is, and none of what the things that I've thought in the past could be wrong.
Because even with me, I remember I hated Hillary Clinton when President Trump ran for office.
Hated her so I wanted Trump to win, but when Trump won, I started believing some of what the media said because I had a lot of liberal friends in America.
I was still in Los Angeles.
And then I started to hate him.
And then I wouldn't listen to a lot of my conservative friends when they were trying to explain to me.
It was very convenient.
I'll tell you why.
It was convenient for me to dislike him.
You know, because there were a lot of things that I'm passionate about, like, passionate about with like animals and animal welfare.
And, you know, his sons were like hunters and All of that.
So it became very convenient for me to make him into the bad guy in my head.
And then I started seeing that a lot of what he... I started speaking at the start of COVID.
He said a few things, and I'd seen how his words were so twisted.
Like, when he said the illegal immigrants and murderers and rapists, as that's what's immediately, he was particularly talking about a really violent group.
It's the, I think it's the MH something.
I can't remember the name, but he was, and it would have been edited.
And then, you know, there was the whole thing where he was talking about, they said, You know people started making the funny memes about putting bleach in your veins because he made something comment about bleach or sunlight but actually sunlight is a disinfectant.
I think no he said disinfectant I think I can't remember what it is anyway but I remember his words were really twisted and he also didn't really want to lock down um and I think that was a turning point.
And I just thought, you know what?
I was wrong for the last couple of years.
I may as well admit it.
I know I'm usually very open-minded, but it was very convenient for me to hate him for that moment of time.
But actually, you know, before the elections happened, I was back on his side again.
And then when all the stuff about the laptops came out, and, you know, I had friends WhatsAppping me things from the laptops that were hideous.
Oh.
You couldn't even talk about it because you get shut down on social media.
And that's when all the censorship started coming in as well.
And it was all just, I'm like, OK, none of this, this doesn't make sense again.
So I'm really with you on that with the whole election process.
And there's no, I mean, Biden really is.
Working on behalf of China, I'm sure of it.
And then, you know, there's Ukraine on the laptops as well and, you know.
It's all very, very, very crooked.
I mean, yeah, I mean, you and I could talk for hours about this.
You know, I mean, the the bioweapons labs in Ukraine.
And I mean, I had a very interesting podcast the other day.
I'm going to I'm going to try and get him on the Dehling pod with this professor who was explaining the The situation with China, because I think one of the questions that puzzles people on our side is what is China's relationship with the kind of the cabal, the powers that be, the predator elite which is taking down the financial system and imprisoning us in our homes and stuff.
Are China in on this or are they a kind of separate evil power that's doing their own separate thing?
And there is apparently a faction under President Xi Which is in cahoots with the cabal, you know, with the people who orchestrated the pandemic.
And this is the guy who's currently in charge of the, for example, the Shanghai lockdown, where people are just imprisoned in their apartments, going mad, committing suicide and stuff.
So it is kind of Coordinated.
But I mean, we shouldn't talk about that, because we talk about our own awakening, which I think is a more interesting conversation for us.
Now, it's obvious that you're very bright.
I mean, the fact that you went into modelling was just like, that was an opportunity you seized.
But you were going to read economics.
Isn't one of the problems that if you are bright, I mean, I think I'm pretty bright, that you develop a kind of arrogance.
You think, well, what I know to be true must be true because I'm a clever person.
And the people who think, Otherwise a kind of probably stupid people or people who haven't quite got it and therefore I was certainly after university I was I was pretty confident that my my worldview was was was the right one.
You know, I knew that free markets really worked and free speech was really important and I knew that Hayek was well, I haven't read the Road to Serfdom at the time, but I but I'd sort of imbibed The sort of the Mises Hayek understanding of economics and free markets and allocation of scarce resources, the market being the best way of doing so and stuff.
And I think people who think like that think we think we've got all the answers.
We think if only our understanding of the world was better applied, everything would work.
And we didn't realize that the whole thing is a conspiracy.
The whole thing is a plot against us by a tiny, tiny predator elite, which have been doing this shit since Babylonian times.
Right, so yeah, so this is the thing, but I found... So at school, I did really well in school, but I was always very distracted.
I didn't pay a lot of attention, I'd fall asleep in my class, and then I got the syllabus, I went through, and I got good grades, what have you.
But I felt like... it was all... school was weird for me because I still needed to know why and how.
And teachers would say like, you know, this is what happens or this is what turns litmus paper red.
But I had to know the mechanics behind it.
I was always like, yeah, but why, why, why?
I was, I was always, I always had that mind.
And they would say to me, Delaney, you just don't, you don't need to know that.
All you need to know is this happens.
And I'm like, but that's not good enough for me.
I have to know, I have to know why.
So, I always found- - Lelani, do you reckon the paper was part of the SIOP?
The fact that it either goes blue or red?
I can't even remember which is which anymore.
Red is acid.
Blue is alkaline.
Yeah, that's the litmus test.
You accept that answer.
You don't understand why, you just accept it.
So it was hard for me.
And, you know, I understood that for me to pass, all I had to do was be able to recite everything off.
So at the end, I just got the syllabus.
I'm like, right, this is what I have to recite.
And I think that's why with exams, if I just spent two days cramming everything, just remembering and repeating what had to be there, you know, I would do well at school.
So for me, that was already the sign that it was just basically repeat what they say.
You don't have to understand it, you don't have to gain any insight, but you just have to repeat it and then you get your A. And... Yeah.
So I always had that weird... I just think I had a different mind back then and I don't know if it was...
intelligence because sometimes I think gosh like when I speak I don't really sound that clever I don't have like this vocabulary like Russell Brand.
Like me?
He's a fraud.
No, actually, no, he's not.
He's not.
He's not a fraud.
He obviously has got a vocabulary, but he's got verbal diarrhea.
I think he, I mean, I don't know where I am on Russell Brand, but I think he uses his sort of verbosity and sort of grandiloquence as a kind of, As a form of subterfuge, because it means that you're distracted.
But he's like a conjurer.
You're distracted by his hand movements or whatever trick they do.
And that you don't analyze the logic of what he's saying or whether there are any flaws in it.
So I don't think it's a bad thing, put it this way, that your vocabulary isn't as rich as Russell Brand's.
It's a charlatan's trick.
I think I've got, you know, and then I maybe, and my brain works really quick as well, so sometimes I'll be thinking things, and it's a bit like Timmy Mallet's Mallet Mallet Words Association game, so my brain's going, and I'm already like five different topics down when I'm still trying to explain the first one, so I can come across a little scatterbrained as well, but I think
So to me, intelligence is quite a weird thing, but I do think I've got quite a lot of common sense and an ability to ask a lot of questions and come to conclusions whether things like add up or they don't add up.
So I think that's where my mind kind of lays whether in whatever kind of spectrum you want to call it, whether it's being intelligent or just street smart or common sense.
I don't know.
There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it because some very, very, very intelligent people have been taken in by this scam.
And some very, very stupid people have not been taken in by the scam.
I've noticed this on the marches and in my telegram channel and elsewhere, in my brother's pub things and stuff like that, you know, 3rd Wednesday.
It doesn't break down on racial lines or on... I think probably the awake women slightly outnumber the men, but I'm always wary when people say, oh, the middle classes don't get it, they're idiots, or the upper middle classes, you know, they're a bunch of tits and they don't get it.
Actually, you get toffs who get it, toffs who don't get it, you get horny-handed sons of toil who get it, and horny-handed sons of toil who don't get it.
It's just like... Going back to the education point you made, It's people have formed their understanding of the world despite their education because I've come to realize and I should have known this a long time ago because it's like the facts are out there that the whole of our education system has been arranged on Bismarck Ian lines you know this the idea that that
You are being turned into model citizens, regardless of who you are, regardless of your intellectual interests, which is why they're now clamping down on homeschooling, for example, because they want good little bots out there.
They don't want people questioning anything.
They don't want people looking at the moon landings and going, hang on a second, what about the, you know, What about the radiation that they have to get through?
And why is that flag not behaving like a flag would?
And hang on a second, how could they get there with such limited computer technology and stuff like this?
They don't want any of that.
They just want you to go, yeah, moon landing, Neil Armstrong, boing!
And it's almost like they don't even want you to be able to look after yourself.
What does the education system teach you now?
Now, for some reason, and even all over the place, people are having like these gender studies and all of this, right?
But what about home economics?
What about, how many people know how to grow tomatoes?
I actually, my fiancé thinks I kill all plants, so I've actually planted some Potatoes and onions in my flower beds, because you wouldn't let me get planters, because you think I'd kill them!
To see if I can grow it, because we're not self-sufficient people anymore.
We don't know how to grow things.
We don't know how to cook properly.
Do kids even get taught anymore how to wire a plug?
Do you get taught how to mend anything?
Everything's very disposable, consumer-driven.
We don't really get taught how to fix things.
It's just like, I'll throw it away, buy a new one.
You can buy something cheap, you know, made in China.
And we're not learning.
And I always thought this, and it's interesting what you said about intelligent people not getting it.
Because it's, I think it's really important how we define intelligence.
Because obviously you go through the school process and university.
But again, it's that whole take it in and then repeat it out and you'll do fine.
And if you, if you disagree, say, you know, you might disagree with the way the pyramids have been built.
How are you going to pass your degree in Egyptology if you disagree?
You know, you can't, you have to follow certain lines to be able to get your degree.
And so, going back to that, and I've always thought, like, what is intelligence?
Like, if you look at, if I'm, you know, like I said, I love nature and I observe a lot of animals, and I think animals can survive, They don't create the pollution that we create.
And when I'm talking about pollution, I'm not talking about carbon, whatever, cows fart, whatever.
So they have their methane emissions through their farts.
But what I'm talking about is like plastics and dirty things and toxins and all the chemicals and whatever we're putting and all the pollution.
Animals don't do that.
No, you can't imagine a lion living in the Serengeti is not going to go, I know what would really improve that waterhole.
I'm going to put some fluoride in it because it's industrial waste and what I'm going to do I'm going to tell the zebras it's going to make their teeth whiter and maybe their stripes whiter too.
No, lions aren't going to do that.
I mean, I do find it extraordinary, that thing, just to focus on fluoride because it just popped into my head.
Everyone thinks, almost everyone, that fluoride is good for your teeth, because it says so on the packet of toothpaste.
And when I was a child, I mean, I love my mother.
I love my mother.
She's the best mummy in the world, obviously.
But if I could go back in time, I'd say, Ma, Don't give me those jabs.
Don't take me to the dentist, above all, to have my teeth fluorided.
Did you have that done at all?
Where you sat in the dentist's chair and he put this kind of thing around your teeth, and I've got terrible teeth, they're probably a product of the fluoride, apart from the other stuff, and they put this kind of, this gunk, and you sit there with this poison, and you think it's good, you think it's saving your teeth.
How did they get away with it?
They completely actually wrecked my teeth because they did something when I was young called fissure sealants.
So instead of just relying on you to be taught how to brush your teeth and brush your teeth properly with your fluoride free toothpaste by the way.
They fill your teeth before you ever need fillings.
Well, mine all got hairline fractures, these fillings, so I could never be able to brush in between the hairline fractures or underneath.
So my teeth, by the time I was old enough to get x-rays, had decayed under this pre-filling called fissure sealants that was there to stop me ever needing fillings.
So they wrecked my teeth anyway.
And that's what I mean.
So how come you've got nice teeth then?
How did you get your teeth prepared then?
I just had to have deeper fillings.
I had to have it all and then deeper fillings and then a couple of root canals, which is, you know, terrible.
So there you go.
It's painful, isn't it?
It's painful, all this stuff.
I mean, I've come to this conclusion with my brother Dick.
We talked about this the other day.
That the world is so much more comprehensible.
Everything, all the mysteries of life are solved when you understand that there is this tiny predator class of almost unimaginable wealth and power which hates us and enjoys tormenting us in the same way that a cat torments a mouse before it kills us.
Yeah.
It's apparently the cats get off on the adrenochrome I think.
I think that's what they do.
They want the mouse to produce the adrenaline so that the mouse they can get you know it's like Like Hilary Clinton, whatever she does.
And this is what they're like.
So all these rules and regulations, people go, ooh, a 20 mile an hour speed limit in London, it's so annoying.
You know, a bloody Sadiq Khan, or bloody council, bloody Oxfordshire Council stopping me from, you can't even have a cigarette outdoors now.
Or, oh, all these speed cameras.
What people don't understand, they cannot form the bigger picture.
Speed cameras are designed to make it more likely that you will have your license taken away from you.
Same with the lower speed limits.
They're designed to make it more unpleasant to drive a car.
The current delays of... I actually read an article that if you were to say on social media where a speed camera is, then you could get fined.
Now if speed cameras are designed to make people slow down, then surely by informing somebody where a speed camera was and they slowed down, it would...
Fulfill its purpose!
So why are they now trying to fine people?
Because speed cameras are just a money-making thing, really.
They don't care.
They don't care.
Otherwise they would put them where you might find the odd person speeding instead of just densely populated areas where someone's going to go like one or two miles over and then you can't say there's a speed camera because Then people will slow down, you know?
It's stupid.
As you say, yeah.
They lie.
They lie routinely.
But the people... Look, the thing I can't forgive is... Okay, so we know that, say, if you're a Rockefeller or a Rothschild or one of the 13 families that You know I mean we can argue about the numbers maybe there are 18 families and you know some of them date back to Venetian nobility and some of them are whatever.
You can understand why if you if you're part of these one of these families that that you might do all this terrible stuff because you are a psychopath you've been generations of psychopathy have been kind of inbred into you and if you don't if you don't behave like a psychopath you tend to get sort of discarded because Because you don't fit into the, you know, you're not fit to carry on the baton of evil.
But what I don't get is people like, I don't know, say Michael Gove.
I don't believe that Michael Gove is a member of the 13 families.
I don't believe he was born to be evil.
And yet, he's jumped on the bandwagon.
You know, he's become... I mean, everyone that's seen the levelling in government has.
Everyone who becomes a politician in the US pretty much has.
They're all part of this sort of... They're like...
They're part of the service mechanism which makes all this possible.
And you're thinking, why would you do that?
Why would you not be on the side of people like yourself?
Why would you take the side of people who hate you and despise you, but find you convenient, but would kill you instantly at the moment you start being useful to them?
Or they'd blackmail you or they'd put you in prison.
Why would you choose to be with these, to work for these?
You could help save the world like we are.
Well, I think there is that blackmail thing that could easily be going on, you know, when they have secrets that they want to keep secret.
And so who knows how many people have to do their bidding because they've got secrets.
But I think I think it's hard.
I think greed, there's a lot of greed.
Greed takes in and it's a certain kind of person that kind of wants to run.
Like I always think that was like Ritchie Soonik.
You can have such a nice life.
Your wife's a billionaire.
Why would you even need to?
Why aren't you just enjoying your life and your family?
Why do you want to do it?
So, I think there is an addiction to power.
To want to step in and take that role.
Aside from helping your friends and giving them backhanded deals.
I think there has to be some kind of personality trait in there.
That would make somebody want to be in that position.
And whether it's greed or the need for power, I don't know.
I haven't kind of fully come to that conclusion.
Do you think it's just that the people attracted to politics are also attracted to underage children?
And so they've got, as soon as the opportunity arises, click, click, click, kompromat, and suddenly every politician is owned.
I mean, it's just like, I mean, I'm trying to think what kompromat they have got on me.
There's nothing that would kind of make me go, I mean, Well, you know, I haven't got any sort of terrible skeletons that I know of that they could blackmail me on.
I mean, I don't understand how weak-willed people are that they can't stand up to these.
I mean, I'd get out of politics if it were explained to me that that was the deal.
That in order to get on you have to do terrible things to the people who elected you.
I don't know that it would ever be explained to them.
Or they just get kind of trapped and going along thinking everything's easy and then they realise, you know, they are, they do put themselves in compromising positions, not realising that they are.
Yeah, I suppose it's, well, have you read any C.S.
Lewis?
Have you read the, I'm not talking about the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, I'm talking about That Hideous Strength, where he describes how, you know, an academic gets sucked into this world because he wants to become part of the inner circle.
I suppose that may be it as well.
Maybe you don't need adrenochrome or Or underage kiddie pics or whatever.
I've seen it in Los Angeles with like a lot of billionaires, you know, I've seen they have a need.
They could retire and have amazing lives, but they don't want to.
There's this continuous need to have more and more and more and have more power and exert more power and have control.
So I think there's a few elements and then it all comes together, but there is definitely And it's like such, I think it's like such a strong desire that nothing's ever enough.
You could have all the money that you would ever need to live on for the rest of your life and give to your kids and pass down.
But they still have to keep going because it's just, there's such a need within them to have more and more.
And it is, it's like a game.
It is like a game.
And you know, this is like another thing I don't know that I trust.
Elon Musk, because I've seen the way he's manipulated the crypto market, you know.
Just from one tweet, he can make things go up or down in a second.
And it's almost like, it's like a game.
It's like entertainment.
It's like, I'm bored.
I've got nothing to do.
What can I do today?
I mean, literally a tweet will manipulate the entire crypto market.
Yes.
Oh, and they think I'm a good guy because I tweet out wacky stuff and I smoke a joint with Joe Rogan and they think of them.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
And he's got, you know, chips in his brains.
He's doing it with monkeys and pigs right now.
So it's like I don't, you know, I don't trust him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We should continue this conversation another time.
I've got to go and make some special... You know those cookbooks where the one tray... Have you got those books?
The one tray recipe books?
I haven't got a... You've got a what?
Tell me.
Tell me about it.
I haven't heard of them.
Oh, they're quite good.
Well, there was a period for about anything but.
You basically use one baking tray and you put all the stuff in and it does variations on the theme.
And there's a good one I do with a recipe of hers.
She's called Rukmini Kal something or other.
You'll find it online.
um at amazon if you have to use amazon um what i do with with like strips of steak sort of marinade and in kind of uh thai thai marinade um and then you put coconut milk and um with red peppers and stuff anyway i'm making that for the wife um as as um to to appease her for the fact that i've got that at eight o'clock tonight i'm doing this podcast with um um uh hearts of oak
and uh you know um it will annoy her because she thinks you know she'd rather be watching tv at that time um so So I'm going to go and make that supper now to save my marriage.
It's been really lovely meeting you and let's reconvene sometime.
By the way, I bet you don't go fox hunting, do you?
No, I don't.
Do you know what?
I've been trying to remodel this cottage and there's a lot of insects in there because it's in the middle of the country.
So even like the little woodlouse, I take out the little woodlouse and put him outside I'm not very good at harming anything.
No, no, I'm not either.
I've never, I've never, I've never managed to, I've never seen a fox killed on any of the hunts I've been on.
Honest, honest truth.
But I have to say, I do think if you're going to ride, hunting is the only thing to do.
I'm sorry.
It just is.
It's because it's the only place where you get to see the horse acting, you know, like with a, with a, with its mates, you know, because horses are herd animals.
So they're designed for jumping over hedges at breakneck speed and Well one of mine would lose his mind and be out of control and insane.
And the other one, I'm so terrified of my legs.
I always have to walk the course.
And don't get me wrong, I love jumping over hedges and galloping through fields.
So I do understand the thrill.
I've just got one naughty one.
It's insane though.
It is insane.
I just felt I had to bring up that thing right at the end, just to annoy any people that want to be annoyed by it.
I mean, I just think we should all be allowed to do what we want to do.
In the world we're going to, I don't think many of us are going to survive, but I think that we've got to realise that when we rebuild our civilisation, we've got to be less Judgmental?
I hate to use the word judgmental, but about the things that give people's lives meaning and not try and interfere with their hobbies if they don't interfere with ours.
I think, you know, we've lived for generations, even millennia, where this horrible, horrible bullying predator class, which I'm not even sure they're human.
Do you think they're human?
Well, I have a whole That's a whole other discussion.
Yeah, isn't it?
If you look at evolution, I just don't know.
There is a missing link.
The way we... The way science is now, we could probably create something.
That's a whole big conversation because in answer to you, no, I think there are other beings on this planet.
Yeah.
But because I know people who've seen, you know, this is where you get into David Icke sort of gets written off for saying this.
And some people say, oh, well, he only says that as an extraction, as a distraction, because otherwise you'd get bumped off and other people, but I actually think he's actually on to something.
I think if you, if you look up Archons, I know, I know a friend of mine, his, My brother, I think, was out on the piss with some mates and he went down an alley and he got this very, very sort of, as he was having his piss, he felt very, very disturbed.
You know, really, the hairs on the back of his neck were prickling.
And he then saw this creature about seven foot tall.
I mean, obviously, people could say, oh, he was pissed.
He was just hallucinating.
But I don't think he was.
This creature, sort of seven feet tall, which was like a kind of lizard, sort of crocodile, lizard-headed creature in a tree.
And it didn't see him.
And it was looking at a house where some people were gathered to dinner party.
And then, The creature clocked him and he was like rooted to the ground.
It was like car in the Jungle Book, you know, with its eyes going round and round.
And it just slowly started coming down the tree.
And I think he would have been eaten.
But then his mate said, Oi, what are you doing?
And the creature scurried off.
I think that there are these beings which are, well, very good at disguising themselves.
Actually, I wouldn't.
I think there are other entities.
I think there are What we can see, you know, the range of what we can see, our visible light range is so small compared to all the frequencies out there that I think there could be other things that we just can't see.
We can't see infrared, let's say like Bees see in infrared, I think, or some creatures see in infrared.
Some people see on different spectrums.
We can't see anything, everything.
And therefore, I think there could be other things out there and entities and beings or whatever that we can't see.
But I also think that, you know, even through everything, there's a missing link.
And if you look through religion and even religious texts, there's always half beings.
Even in Christianity, there's Gosh, I didn't think we'd be talking about so many things.
Well, the giants, loads of giants in the Bible.
Is it the Nephilim?
The Nephilim, yeah, the Nephilim.
There are angels, like these spiritual angels have come from heaven, like, you know, some being appeared to Mary and said, you're going to Be not afraid.
They always say that apparently when they turn up.
We're having the whole beginning of a whole new podcast, which we're going to have to save for another time.
We've covered the basics.
Now we'll move on to the crowd.
I don't care if people think I just like, like, there are more things in heaven and earth ratio than I dreamt of in your philosophy.
If you believe in God, as I do, then why, you know, if you believe in this kind of incredibly powerful being that just like controls everything, then why is it such a stretch to believe in angels and demons and all the rest?
Exactly, exactly.
And by the way, you have a very beautiful garden.
Oh, thank you.
I'm glad.
All I can see is a picture of me with my eyes half closed.
I look like I'm a complete moron.
My face is frozen.
But yeah, it is nice.
Thank you.
Leilani, I'm going to go and cook some food now.
It's been really good talking to you.
And I hope we do another one sometime.
I hope I meet you in person.
That would be good as well.
I would love to as well.
So definitely.
Good.
Well, you go and look after your horses now, you know.
I'll go and paint some door frames.
I'll put my painting gear back on.
That sounds good.
Good.
Alright, then.
Well, bye-bye.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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