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May 18, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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Clive De Carle

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	Welcome to the Delling Pod with me James Delling Pod.
	I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
	It's Clive DeCull.
	Clive, you've been, so many people have said, oh, you've got to get Clive on your podcast.
	And I'm really glad that we're doing it now because my wife's at a wedding, which means that I've got my afternoon free and I don't have to kind of worry too much about times and stuff, whereas normally I do.
	So, welcome to The Delling Pod.
	And just, Clive, people who don't know who you are, just give us a bit of, you know, a bit of background.
	Well, thanks very much, James.
	I really appreciate talking with you.
	Fantastic.
	I was working in ophthalmic optics, I was running a contact lens company and a couple of other things, and I made a big mistake.
	I was at that point fairly natural in my approach to medicine, homeopathy and so on.
	But I was eating really badly.
	I was eating at the cafe for lunch in London, and then I'll have a Mars bar or two, maybe in the day.
	And I've got these spots on my face, like acne.
	And I was like 32 years old and really embarrassed about this.
	And instead of giving up the Mars bars and the sandwiches, I don't know what I was thinking.
	I went to the doctors.
	I can fix that.
	Take an antibiotic.
	That'll fix it right away.
	So the next thing I know, I can't walk anymore.
	I've had to give up driving the car.
	I've had to give up going to work.
	And then one morning, I can't get out of bed.
	I'm stuck.
	I thought, well, I'll try and get dressed at least.
	I can't do it.
	I can't get my socks on.
	And so they put me in hospital.
	And by this time, I've got rheumatoid arthritis so bad that you wouldn't have recognized my limbs, you know.
	And I've become type 1 diabetic.
	I've had all sorts of issues.
	And while I was in hospital, I was detoxing so badly.
	I was sweating so many times in the day and the night, particularly.
	I had to change the bedding every hour.
	And so I was in the observation ward.
	And I sort of said, I think it's the antibiotics.
	Oh, impossible.
	Don't be ridiculous.
	But we can give you drugs.
	I said, look, I think it's drugs that put me here.
	I'm not low on drugs, but I'm pretty sure I'm low on something.
	So after about three weeks, I got my wife to bring me loads and loads of books, and I figured it out.
	I realised, to some degree, what the antibiotic had done to the friendly bacteria in my gut.
	And I got wheeled out, and I started taking minerals and vitamins galore.
	Lots.
	And all the arthritis went away.
	I mean, according to doctors, that's incurable.
	Nothing you can do.
	But I'm living proof.
	I mean, that was 37 years ago, and I'm now 68, and everything's perfect, you know?
	You're looking a good 68, I have to say.
	I hope, in the unlikely event that I live to 68, I will be looking like you.
	That's very kind.
	So then, a couple of years after that, my dad's best friend, who bizarrely happened to be a banker for the Vatican in New York, Got cancer for the second time and he said, you know, it's kidney cancer and they took one kidney out last time and I haven't got a spare, you know, I've used my spare up.
	And so he basically did what I did, but he did it much better.
	In New York, he knew that Linus Pauling lived there.
	And so he goes to the phone book and there he is, the famous Linus Pauling, the one who said that vitamin C will reverse almost everything, including the common cold.
	And the man answers the phone and says, what do I do?
	And he says, well, 35 grams of vitamin C every day in divided doses is what to do.
	And when he did die, which was 20 years later, it wasn't from cancer.
	So I thought, hang on a minute, you know, there's something in this.
	I know, I feel like we've just got so much to talk about.
	It's I'm really looking forward to whatever you're going to say, because.
	So let me tell you about my journey.
	I don't know whether you've ever listened to my podcast, but I think Until two years ago, I think I would pretty much have qualified as what we call a normie.
	I believed in the paradigm, I believed in the version of the world that is presented to us Well, first of all, by our parents, you know no better, and then by the education system and by popular culture and so on.
	And I kind of thought, when you're sick, you go to a doctor, and the doctor has all these magical, all these things that will cure you.
	And doctors are completely motivated by a desire to heal you.
	They've got no, they're not, they're not enthralled to big pharmaceutical companies or anything like that.
	And I thought that the food industry was about feeding us rather than, say, poisoning us.
	And I thought that, you know, when I, the rare occasion I glanced at the Daily Mail, Um, you know, maybe I was at my mother's house or something, and I saw an article, um, telling you that red meat gave you cancer.
	I thought, well, actually, I'm not sure, that's probably bollocks, but maybe there is, there is something wrong with, and on and on it goes.
	All these, all these things that we, we are encouraged to believe, And I now realize, like a lot of people, I think a lot of people have been waking up in the last couple of years, that everything we know is almost certainly bollocks.
	Everything we're taught and almost, I've got this theory that the things that we feel we know that are most imprinted in our consciousness, say, you know, historic, let's talk about recent history, say, 9-11 or the sinking of the Titanic or going back to Louis Pasteur and the cowpox and how vaccination is really good for you and all these things that we get taught.
	Again, it's just a lie.
	Everything is a lie.
	So you discovered this when you were 32 and I mean you can presumably talk to me about cancer among other things because I mean there is a rabbit hole in itself.
	My sister referred me the other day to the Cancer Act of 1935 was it?
	In 1939 I read it, the Cancer Act, and by the way when I speak about cancer for legal reasons I'm spelling it with a K Also, if I mentioned the word cure, I'm also spelling that with a K just in case anybody was happy to listen in.
	Yes, I read the Cancer Act, and I asked my sort of advisor, legal-type advisor, did you know that the Cancer Act doesn't apply to Northern Ireland?
	He said, no, I didn't know that.
	I said, well, let's cure with a K cancer in Northern Ireland because the Cancer Act doesn't apply there.
	And he thought about it for a minute and said, well, how much do you like living?
	He said.
	You're not going to get away with that one, even though you found a loophole.
	So it's a difficult one to talk about because according to the Cancer Act, you get two years in prison if you make a claim that you can cure cancer.
	So that's why I can't do that.
	However, people believe through the media and the doctors that cancer is more or less incurable.
	And they say things like, you've got six months to live, something like that.
	Now, how do they know that that person's got six months to live?
	They know full well, very accurately, because if you put anybody on the chemotherapy drug that they're thinking about, nobody lives longer than six months.
	So nobody dies of cancer anymore hardly.
	They usually die of drugs, surgery and radiation.
	That's the reality.
	And of course, using statistics, you know, real risk, as opposed to relative risk, when they're presenting their statistics to you, they will tell you there's this massive percentage success rate, but it's relative and it's not the real success rate.
	So everybody's fooled by statistics.
	And so Why does anybody get ill in the first place?
	Well, I think there are only three basic reasons.
	Could be physical damage.
	You know, you've been hit by a car or something.
	That's the reason that you're not well.
	Then there's toxicity.
	There's the emotional toxicity at school.
	You'll never amount to anything.
	You're no good.
	You're a weakling.
	You're always clumsy, whatever we've been programmed with.
	Then there's the physical toxins and the air, the water, and everything else.
	And then there's simple starvation, i.e.
	nutrient deficiency.
	What percentage of the population is starving?
	Well, almost everybody.
	Or put it this way, out of the population, how many have got malnutrition?
	Almost everybody, because they're eating very badly, i.e.
	mal, badly, bad nutrition.
	It's everybody, and they wonder why they're ill.
	I mean, one of my favorite examples is the zoo.
	Let's say that we all went to the zoo, right?
	And all the animals are looking terrible.
	They're all limping around, and one's got kidney disease, and one's got liver problems, you know.
	What would the first thing you'd ask the zookeeper?
	What are you eating?
	What are you feeding these animals because they're not well?
	It would sort of be obvious.
	But you know, granny with arthritis or Alzheimer's goes to the doctor, who has never been taught about nutritional health.
	Doctors have told me both in the States and here, that four hours in five years is the average time spent to nutrition and health.
	And even then they taught the wrong stuff, generally.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, should we go back to, I want to come back to cancer, but let's go back to basics.
	What are the biggest mistakes that people make with their diets?
	What is poisoning us?
	Well, let's say we relabeled everything.
	All natural food that hasn't been poisoned wouldn't say anything to say what it is.
	And all the rest, like the entire contents of Lidl and Tesco, except for one or two exceptions, would have poison marked on it.
	I went into Lidl with a camera before they threw me out a few years back, looking for food, right?
	Because to me, if it's got you know preservatives or it's pasteurized or you know bad they fed the animals badly whatever it is that's not food that's poison that's food like it resembles food so the best thing is don't poison yourself it's just number one you have to filter the water I mean let's start with water because that's so yes so crazy um the sewage works okay what happens there
	Well, they separate the fat and they sell that to the soap companies, the cheap soap companies.
	If you're buying cheap soap, you're probably washing your face in sewage-extracted fat.
	You know, not that I want to put anybody off.
	Then what do they do with the rest of it?
	Well, they filter it really fairly poorly, quite honestly.
	They separate out the sludge and so on and so forth.
	So, of course, In the old days, we would have peed and shit in the field and that would have been fantastic, like all the animals.
	But now they've gone back to spreading the recycled sewage onto the land, thus spreading all the drugs, every antibiotic, birth control pill, everything.
	If you're not eating really organic and being serious about it, God knows what you're eating for lunch.
	I mean, you know, it's horrendous.
	The only way it'll change is if everybody just wakes up to the fact that, yes, organic food costs more, yes, right now that's a disaster, but, I mean, I've spent the morning planting food, and if I had no garden, I would be sprouting food, I'd be taking, I mean, let's say you like chickpeas, for instance, or you like bean sprouts, you know, the bean sprouts, it's mung beans, Chickpeas to make falafel or hummus or whatever.
	You take 100 grams of the dried latent power that's in a seed.
	I mean, you know, that's, you know, the seed can crack through the motorway concrete or whatever it is, you know.
	So you take that latent power and get it wet.
	Soak it for half a day.
	Now it's probably doubled in size.
	If you forget, you've soaked it for the whole day.
	Well, it's not the end of the world.
	So at the end of the day, when you want to, you just put it in a sieve and you might want to rinse it slightly in some fresh water and then I do it in glass kilner jars, which is maybe leave the lid ajar so it can sort of breathe, or leave the lid open.
	So I put the seeds or the mung beans or the beans, whatever it is, back into the glass jar.
	And if it's a really hot day, I might rinse it halfway through the day.
	If it's in winter, then it'll probably be fine all day.
	Then I'll just rinse it again at the end of the day.
	And a few days later, That little mung bean has turned into quite a big bean sprout.
	So 100 grams have become half a kilo or a whole kilo.
	So it's incredibly cheap to grow your own vegetables at home.
	And seeds and beans don't care about light.
	You can do it in the dark, you can do it in the light.
	They don't care.
	They sprout anyway.
	All they need is water.
	So the net result is let's say with a chickpea it's probably grown four times in size so quadrupled the weight so that's a quarter of the food quarter of your food bill now if you bought a tin like that that would be way more expensive than spending a few pennies undoing it yourself and it's fresh and suddenly it's full of amino acids and uh vitamins you've brought it to life it's much more than it was you know so you've increased the nutrition what 20 times or 50 i have no idea but a lot
	So, people need to realise that organic food is very cheap in season.
	You know, when there's a glut of tomatoes, they don't know what to do with the things, they're almost giving them away.
	So, we're meant to be eating seasonally.
	So, if we haven't got a lot of money, there are ways to still be healthy, I reckon.
	Right.
	So just going back to the water.
	I mean, I'm horrified that it's about to become government policy to put fluoride in the water, which is, we know it's an industrial byproduct.
	It doesn't make your teeth better, does it?
	It doesn't at all.
	But of course, as I think you know, if the aluminium companies put the fluoride, they dumped it somewhere, they get done for dumping illegal waste.
	If it filters through a human, that's all right.
	But of course, you can get around that.
	I mean, let's say you run a bath in fluoridated water.
	All you need to do is put a spoonful of borax in there.
	Borax costs 10 quid for a kilo.
	Borax neutralizes fluoride, so a lot of people take a little pinch of borax in, say, a litre of water, boosts testosterone, knocks out any fluoride that you have ingested by eating something made, you know, in Birmingham.
	You know, you go to Marks and Spencer's or I don't know what Sure.
	There's a possibility that the food or the drink was made in a fluoridated area.
	So even if you think you're safe.
	So I was talking to the Kent Freedom Movement about 13 years ago.
	And this guy said, he was talking about fluoride.
	And he said, well, I was pretty sure that they were putting fluoride in the water, but I rang the water board and they denied it.
	And I rang several times.
	No, no, we're not putting fluoride in the water.
	He rang the town hall.
	The town hall said, yes, it's us.
	We're putting fluoride in the water.
	So have you, well actually no, we'll perhaps go down that rabbit hole later on.
	What else is in, what are the other reasons one should filter one's water?
	What else has it got in it?
	Well, I mean, you know, up until the jab ridiculousness, the most popular drug in the world, pharmaceuticals, was the birth control pill.
	So why are lots of people having problems having babies?
	It's pretty widespread, right?
	Could it be that they're drinking?
	Bathing, showering, having tea, cooking their food in birth control pills.
	You know, probably boosted by a few other drugs combined.
	Could it be that now, because the water's so terrible, a lot of people are drinking water out of a plastic bottle?
	Now, plastic bottles have xenoestrogens in them.
	What they ought to do... I used to be in the contact lens business.
	We used to manufacture contact lenses.
	When you're making plastics, They off-gas.
	So once the bottle is blown from a little slug, whoop, now it's a litre bottle, it's going to take a few weeks before all the plastic off-gases have off-gassed.
	But then they have a mountain of water bottles empty, they can't do that, so they fill them right away.
	So the plastics contain many nasty things, including these artificial estrogens.
	So people drinking water out of plastic bottles, much worse if it's ever been in the sun, leave it in the car in the sunshine, oh dear.
	And people are demasculizing themselves, if there's such a word.
	Yes.
	Then they're eating soya milk, which makes it even worse.
	And drinking soya milk, you know, you want not to get pregnant.
	Try soya milk and soya products.
	They'll make sure you've got enough xenoestrogens also in soya.
	So, you know, what's Bill Gates about?
	Part of him is feeding insects.
	I think he's trying to push the vegan agenda.
	And I feel very sorry for vegans because unless they know how to be a good vegan, they're going to end up with deficiencies in the long run.
	Super dangerous, I could talk about that if you want, but with the water, it's important to get the right filter for the job.
	If all you're dealing with is chlorine, that's all.
	Well, then probably one of those cheap chug filters would do.
	But a lot of the water companies are putting aluminium sulphate in the water because it's a flocculating agent, you know, it makes it crystal clear, right?
	We all want crystal clear water.
	But of course the government, none of us have ever thought of the idea that aluminium in the brain with the water might be a bad thing, but I think we shouldn't worry about that, you know.
	Nothing to do with dementia or anything.
	So that's what they're doing.
	And God knows what else, but they can't filter it properly.
	I mean, it's dire.
	So personally at home, I've got a little countertop unit, which is reverse osmosis.
	And I got it plumbed in.
	I think it cost me about 70 quid to get it plumbed in.
	And It's four stages.
	You can get better, but four stages, and I can press the four buttons.
	Cold water, boiling water, baby bottle temperature water, and herbal tea water.
	So I don't need a kettle anymore.
	They're great.
	Really good.
	Not cheap.
	It's about 450 quid, I think.
	Yeah, but I mean in the context of like not getting Alzheimer's and not poisoning and remaining vaguely fertile, I think it's probably a price worth paying.
	Although of course the problem, I mean I filter my water and But what I don't do is I, I mean, I still bath in tap water.
	I still, I mean, I actually am quite naughty.
	I still use crap water for boiling my vegetables and I know I shouldn't.
	I mean, how bad is that?
	Well, I don't know, but chlorine, for instance, is very reactive.
	You know, you put chlorine, let's say you mix chlorine and vitamin C together.
	I do a party trick for kids, right?
	I get two glasses and I put a tiny pinch, you can't see it, of vitamin C at the bottom of one glass.
	So I give the kids the glasses and I say, look, fill those up with water, two glasses of water.
	I put a big squirt of Lugolz iodine in one, it goes dark brown.
	Then I'll say to them, look, I'll give them the one that's got a little bit of vitamin C, you don't have to stir it.
	I say, look, say the magic word.
	Now you squirt the iodine in, watch what happens.
	And it goes clear instantly as it reacts with the iodine.
	So iodine's super reactive.
	When I first was making iodine, I spilled it on a white carpet.
	It was, oh dear.
	Brown, nastiness.
	And so I looked up on Google, how do you neutralise it and make it go away?
	You just sprinkle vitamin C powder on it and it just goes away.
	It's great.
	I know I'm going off on a few tangents, but I mean, let's say... Yeah, that's fine.
	Let's say the government was putting a drop of iodine in the water as opposed to chlorine, it would do a much better job.
	And as most people are low on iodine because of the chlorine, probably the majority of people's thyroid problems would stop Because iodine is a perfect thing to sterilize anything.
	They use it in the operating theatre before they cut you.
	They paint iodine all over where they're going to cut, because no bacteria can handle it.
	So, look at this country compared to Japan.
	In this country, probably nine out of ten women get the symptoms known as menopause.
	Hot flushes, whatever it is.
	In Japan, up until recently, they didn't have a word for menopause.
	Because it didn't happen in Japan.
	Why?
	Iodine.
	They got so much iodine from all the sea fish they ate from quite a narrow island, and you get a lot of it by the coast.
	It's a seaweed.
	And they ate seaweed every day, several times a day.
	That much seaweed, that much iodine, breast cancer, menopause, hardly exists.
	Until they changed the diet to the modern diet, and then it all arrived.
	Yeah.
	I was in my Pilates class the other night and I was the only man there and we were talking about this Um, Davina McCall TV series about the menopause and all the, all the cliches were coming out.
	Oh, if men got the menopause, it would be, it would have been cured by now.
	Um, you know, like they say about menstruation problems and stuff.
	And I, you know, I just thought, no, James, don't say anything.
	You'll only get yourself in trouble.
	But what I was thinking to them was, you don't realize it's not about the sexes.
	It's much more, much more sinister than that.
	It is about a class of people, a narrow elite, I call them the predator class, that actually don't want us to be cured of things like menopausal problems.
	They want to poison us.
	Are you with me on this?
	Well, but there's another reason on top, which is lack of iodine makes you stupid.
	You want to dumb down a population, you give them fluoride, chlorine, bromine, anything that has a smaller atomic weight than iodine, because we should have full iodine receptors all over our body.
	In women and men, it's in thyroid mainly.
	In women, the breast, which is why it has a link with breast cancer, the lack of it.
	And so if a woman gives birth to a child and that woman is clinically low on iodine, even the doctors recognise that, the child will be born a cretin.
	Cretinism is where mum had low iodine.
	And what the doctors ought to know, if you think it would be a logical jump, would be that if mum is half low on iodine, the baby's just going to be stupid and very low IQ.
	And this knowledge has been known for years you know lugal's iodine like the version that i like i mean super cheap 20 quid for a year i mean it couldn't be cheap where do you get it from by the way um well um i in the the uk authorities um it's laughable uh wrote to me a few years ago um when i was saying that um the covid with the k could be dealt with with vitamin c
	they took all my videos down and um I started getting attacked by all these agencies And I've got in writing, they're saying, I'm not allowed to tell you what my website is.
	And I'm not allowed to say the thing that I just said.
	about the C word.
	I mean, it's just insane.
	I could have argued about it, but it's so funny.
	I thought it makes a good talking point.
	I'm not allowed to tell you my own website.
	But it's myname.com.
	It's myname.com.
	If your website existed, which I know it does, and I were to go there, I could find New Gold Zardine, is that right?
	You could indeed, yeah.
	But that would be breaking the advertising standards if I'd told you.
	No, no.
	Obviously, nobody go to Clive's site and buy some New Gold Zardine.
	I have heard about the iodine miracle before.
	How does one, okay, suppose I had a bottle of Lugol's iodine, how would I incorporate it into my life and my family's life in a kind of unobtrusive and unannoying way?
	Well, how I use it is I increasingly am trying to rely on intuition as the way forward.
	And I've been applying that to myself for years and years and years.
	So when I feel like it, I might squeeze 10 drops into a glass of water and drink it.
	And then maybe a couple of weeks later or 10 days later, I might do the same.
	But it's different if you're low on it.
	So I'm not low on it, but if you were, what would happen would be you might notice your temperature is going out of whack, that somebody touched you, oh you've got cold hands, or people like the menopausal women are boiling or have hot flushes.
	That would be a symptom of iodine deficiency.
	Anybody with a thyroid issue, doesn't matter whether it's hypo or hyper, Anybody with a thyroid issue, the reason that happened is almost certainly an iodine deficiency at some point.
	Dry skin, often a sign of iodine deficiency.
	Losing body hair, iodine deficiency.
	Particularly, you see people who've lost the outside of their eyebrows, that's iodine deficiency.
	Dry skin on your elbows, that's really a lot of iodine deficiency.
	So there are quite a few very clear signs, but you can test yourself with a thermometer.
	If your temperature levels off where it should be, then you can reduce the amount of iodine you're taking because you've done the job.
	So let's say you just wanted to do it with seaweed alone.
	It could take a long time, could take a year or something, because unless you're just pouring seaweed in, it takes a while.
	But with iodine, you can correct it in days or weeks.
	I think it was 1837 or something when Professor Lugold made his iodine, first of all.
	Iodine is what, potassium iodide, which is in Lugold's, is what they give the troops when they go into a radioactive zone, right?
	It's what they use at Chernobyl and so on.
	Whenever there's an atomic leak, iodine sells out.
	And right now, with the ridiculous threat of nuclear war, iodine stocks are selling out again because they reserve it for the army or special people, whoever they might be.
	So iodine is just incredible, but it has something that goes with it, which is the mineral selenium.
	Now, selenium should be in Brazil nuts.
	That's the food with the most selenium in.
	And so, you know, it can be good if you're fine with nuts to eat some selenium in the form of nuts every day.
	Pistachios are about the next level that there are areas of England, areas of the States, all over.
	Where there just isn't enough selenium in the soil, particularly now with modern farming methods.
	But even back in the day there were issues and the vets figured this out 70 or more years ago because the same diseases that sheep get are very similar to fibromyalgia in sheep and fibromyalgia in people.
	It's fixed with the same basic supplements, selenium being one of them.
	So the vets have known all this for ages, but it just hasn't transferred into medicine, because obviously you've got a sheep, you can't put it on a £20,000 course of cancer drugs.
	You're going to give it some pellets with the right minerals in, and it will fix the spray pee or whatever it's got.
	So selenium, now there are several types of selenium out there on the market, and I used to use the version called selenomethionine, which is a perfectly good version to get your selenium from.
	But now I've gone to a liquid selenium, which is on the top.
	On another planet.
	I first heard about it when I was told about the experiments they were doing in New York in the last century, giving this particular type of selenium to methadone addicts, and it was getting them off methadone.
	And if you look online, look up selenium, it will tell you it's toxic.
	There's a certain level above which there's toxicity.
	So whatever you do, don't take too much.
	Except this liquid type is non-toxic.
	So again, I treat it like the iodine.
	I maybe take 10 drops once every couple of weeks or something if I feel like it.
	But for people who are stuck or with an addiction, They are, for instance, stuck on pharmaceuticals, heroin, alcohol, and they want to come off.
	And it's crucial that if somebody wants to come off these things, they've got to really mean it.
	You know, that's the only way you get success, when they hit rock bottom sometimes.
	Anyway, so somebody a little while back, he'd been on ADHD medication all his life, put on it as a child, 20 years or something.
	And he tried many, many, many, many times to come off and he just couldn't do it.
	He's back on it again.
	So he took seven drops of this selenium.
	And I don't do one thing in isolation.
	I recommend several things.
	And whereas the normal dose would be one drop every two or three days, that's sufficient.
	Anyway, he takes seven drops and within three days he's totally phased off his medication.
	Absolutely no problem at all.
	And I spoke to him some months later and he's still off it.
	absolutely no problem and then this was on a zoom call I do an ask five anything session and yeah so somebody else pipes out oh I was drinking way too much red wine and I really wanted to stop and it was easy came up stopped the red wine absolutely no problem and And so it is an incredible product.
	Let me explain how it works, which is super interesting, I think.
	So let's say that you're an addict putting in whatever it is, heroin or something, regularly, over and over and over and over, drinking over and over and over.
	Now, the body, which is always trying to do its best for you, you know, the doctors say your body goes wrong.
	No, it doesn't.
	It just adapts.
	So the body adapts to the fact that you're an addict and doing it nonstop.
	So you're putting in a toxin.
	So the body creates antitoxins to try and neutralize it.
	So when the alcoholic stops without preparation, they get delirium tremors, the DTs.
	When the heroin addict, the methadone addict stops, they're suffering horrendously, not from the lack of heroin or lack of booze, but from the antitoxins.
	Because it takes a few days for them to stop.
	Selenium turns off the antitoxins.
	So, in a big dose, you know, than normally.
	Do you know what?
	I've actually had, I've got in my cupboard some liquid selenium.
	And I haven't been using it because I didn't know what it was for.
	But now I know.
	I mean, you know, it'll get me off heroin, which is great if I happen to have a heroin addiction.
	But no, that sounds good.
	So, okay, once maybe a fortnight with my drops of Lugol's iodine.
	Well, it depends, you see.
	If you're somebody who recognizes those symptoms that I mentioned, Then I'm taking what for me is like a maintenance status, you know, I'm already fixed.
	But let's say somebody's got thyroid issue, or they've got brain fog, right?
	They walk in a room, why did I walk in?
	Right, brain fog.
	There are a lot of people, oh, I've got that.
	And I say, well, I get that.
	Okay, so that's an iodine deficiency.
	I can almost guarantee it.
	And anybody with hormonal issues, almost certainly an iodine deficiency.
	95% of us in the UK are going to be low on iodine.
	I mean, it's that, that much.
	It's everybody.
	So what you do is, first of all, you study it a bit.
	I've made videos about iodine.
	There are fantastic videos available about iodine because it's been known about for coming on 200 years.
	It's been studied.
	There are wonderful books about it.
	And the thing is to understand that 150 years ago, if you went to the doctor and they didn't know what was wrong with you, they almost always gave you iodine.
	That would be the first thing to do because it would correct your temperature.
	Most people are ill, they're either running a high temperature or a low temperature.
	And iodine will deal with both ends of that equation.
	So if you're running a high temperature, this is a good thing because the high temperature is burning off something.
	It's a detoxification reaction.
	You know, your body's trying to get, you're sweating it out.
	You're, you know, it's coming out, right?
	So it's not that you want to turn off the fever because that's on your side.
	What you want to do is to deal with what the fever is about.
	So if you've got a bacterial infection, um, So yeah, let's say there's a bacterial infection going around and you've ingested it somehow, you've got it in you.
	Now, what happens every four minutes, the blood flows through the thyroid, which should, if we're eating naturally, living naturally, be full of iodine, and the bacteria is knocked out in the thyroid.
	Four minutes later, second pass, if there are any left, knocked out.
	So if you can knock out bacteria faster than it can reproduce, you're well.
	So why are a lot of people getting infections, getting all the problems that we know about?
	Not enough iodine.
	That's it for many people.
	It's massive.
	The iodine deficiency is massive.
	Right, almost universal.
	So how do you fix it?
	Well, the Japanese, the Japanese women, they've calculated, on average, take 12.5 milligrams, or get 12.5 milligrams of iodine in the daily diet.
	Now doctors, 150 years ago, were taught that you could take up to a gram, which now we think of what?
	Yeah, talk like five minute whole gram, but doctors now are taught milligrams are hugely dangerous and you must give micrograms.
	Micrograms, when you need milligrams.
	So, I went for reference to my doctor, I don't know, 15 years ago, and I said, if somebody has a thyroid issue, would you give them iodine?
	He said, no, we're not allowed to.
	We're not allowed to.
	We have to give them Levithoraxin.
	And, you know, maybe if everything else failed and we were asked, then maybe we'd be allowed to give them iodine.
	But I mean, if they gave iodine, well, that's industries, not for six.
	Crude.
	Yes.
	Not to mention the cancer industry.
	You know, there are other factors.
	I mean, by the time somebody's got cancer, for example, they've been abusing their body for a long time.
	Actually, let me just finish the iodine story.
	Everything I'm saying is not medical advice, right?
	I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
	What I know about is health, a subject that doctors don't know about.
	So the medical doctors, like Dr. Brownstein in New York, he's proved that He's the one who has the most research on what percentage of people are low.
	And he's written the book, Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It.
	And there's a video, Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It.
	Watch that and everything will become clear as to dosage and so forth.
	It makes such a change to people.
	People literally say, my brain came back.
	Suddenly, the eczema psoriasis calmed down.
	You know a good supplement when you can see an age reversal.
	There are certain supplements where women, for instance, say, I thought I was entering menopause because my periods have stopped and they've started again.
	De-aging, isn't it?
	You know, that woman got younger.
	But it's never just one thing.
	It's understanding that the body has certain very basic needs.
	You know, 15 years ago I had a website that at one point I think we had 150 things on it.
	Now I've narrowed it right down.
	I've got much less supplements on it than I used to because over the years I begin to understand What the symptoms are and what you need.
	I mean, let's take one super simple one, which is magnesium.
	If there's only one thing other than iodine that I might suggest that people might want to think about, it's magnesium.
	So when I had rheumatoid arthritis and couldn't do my buttons up or anything, what had happened was I had a buildup of calcium deposits, and then I had inflammation, and I had pain.
	So how do you dissolve calcium deposits?
	They may be calcified arteries, calcified pineal glands.
	How do you fix overgrowth of the wrong type of calcium in your body in the wrong place?
	Magnesium.
	Magnesium dissolves calcium.
	It's simple.
	Magnesium dissolves calcium.
	So you take enough magnesium, Your calcium deposits over time will just disappear and the calcium will be recycled and reabsorbed back in the bones where it probably came out from in the first place.
	So the symptoms of magnesium deficiency, and you only have to have one, I'll run through them because I bet you most people have got at least one of these or have had.
	I've got them all.
	But everybody will have had some of them, experienced some of them.
	Heart arrhythmia, anybody with atrial fibrillation, the heart's beating unevenly.
	Any heart issues usually are a magnesium deficiency.
	Headaches, migraines, epilepsy can have a basis in magnesium deficiency.
	Hiccups, right, spasmodic contraction of the diaphragm, that's the hiccup.
	Magnesium deficiency, constipation.
	Muscle cramps, you wake up in the morning, you've got a cramp in your foot or your leg, menstrual cramps, any type of cramps, twitches around the eyes, panic attacks, anxiety, sleep issues, and I could go on.
	It's almost everybody and everything.
	Magnesium makes vitamin C work properly.
	Magnesium, they reckon now we have 3,000 enzyme systems in our body, like the blood system, there's the lymph, and we've got the enzyme systems.
	And without magnesium, most of those don't work.
	So, when we see a sportsperson drop down dead at the end of the match, or they've done a long run, boom, heart attack.
	Somebody's died in the desert.
	What's happened there?
	Has the guy in the desert run out of water?
	No.
	Has the footballer run out?
	No, it's not water.
	What's happened is they've sweated.
	They've sweated out so much magnesium that their heart can no longer beat.
	And they have a heart attack.
	That heart attack, I mean, other reasons for heart attacks, but I would suggest the primary is a magnesium deficiency.
	So anybody who's got any of those issues, they may find that within five minutes of using the right type of the right amount of magnesium, that their issue is over.
	It's like instant.
	I had somebody who was suicidal.
	And I told them to take 12 capsules of my magnesium blend a day.
	Not 1, not 2, 12.
	And 36 hours later she'd consumed 24 and said I'm no longer suicidal because what magnesium does is it relaxes every cell of your body.
	So why does it fix constipation?
	Well it relaxes the bowels and if you take enough magnesium Your constipation is going to be fixed in a hurry whether you want it to be or not, right?
	You're going to have to run for the bathroom if you take a bath.
	So, and constipation is a massive issue, just massive.
	I had somebody a couple of months ago said I haven't been for 23 days.
	Really?
	I mean, you know, how is that conceivable?
	But why do people get bowel issues?
	Because they're constipated.
	You know, that stool is fermenting inside there.
	We're meant to have three bowel movements a day, or at the absolute minimum one.
	One after every meal is sort of the body's idea in nature.
	But if it's there for two days, it's rotting.
	And, of course, you're going to get tumors and horrible thing, colitis, or whatever it might be going on because you've got this rotten food.
	Imagine putting the food in the dustbin for a while and then opening it again and it's going to smell.
	It's not good.
	And it's so obvious, right?
	And why?
	Because we're all stressed.
	Now, when you're stressed, because magnesium is the mineral of relaxation, when you're in a stressful situation, your body utilizes that magnesium to help you get through it.
	Right?
	But then you run out, and now you're stressed as hell.
	And with the modern world, there's a military helicopter going over right now.
	With the modern world, we're all way more stressed than we should have been.
	Stress should have been, oh my god, there's a bear about to eat me, run like hell, and then you recover from it.
	But most people are in permanent stress, you know, fight or flight all the time.
	So when you're in Fight or flight, your body is going, there's a dangerous bear and I'm going to put all your power into your muscles so you can run like hell.
	We're going to turn off most of the brain functions.
	We can run on autopilot.
	We're going to turn off digestion.
	We're going to turn off healing because your important thing right now is to run away from the bear.
	You escape, you rest, now the body goes back into normal mode, but most people never relax.
	They wake up with the news on the radio, depressing them, drive to work with the news or the iPod, whatever it is, and they are stressed all day long and they haven't clocked it, which is why they're worried and fearful the way it is.
	Right, I'm going to do some magnesium as well.
	By the way, When you said about the military helicopter flying over, were you talking about ever you or ever me?
	No, no, here.
	But you've got one as well.
	Look, the weird thing was, at the very moment, the very moment where you mentioned it, there was one flying over me.
	What are the chances, eh?
	Yes, yes, quite.
	Well, they're watching us!
	They bloody are.
	And you and me especially, I would suspect.
	By the way, can I congratulate you on your cuckoo you've got?
	I can hear in the background occasionally.
	I think I can.
	You've got a cuckoo in your garden?
	It's not a cuckoo actually, but I'm super lucky living in the country that I am woken up at five in the morning with the birds.
	It's great.
	You've got very good birdsong.
	I mean, I live in the country as well.
	Mainly green woodpeckers and rooks are the dominant birds in my garden.
	I don't know what you've got there.
	We get goldfinches as well at this time of year.
	I saw a jay flying along and I thought, oh my god, I haven't seen a jay like that for years, as a magpie went BOOF!
	And took it out.
	Right in the sky.
	Took it out.
	They're black poison bastards, aren't they?
	Yeah, yeah, they're not nice.
	And they throw eggs out of all the other birds' nests.
	They've got a horrible, I hate that sort of cackle that magpies make, it used to drive me nuts.
	When I was at school there was a magpie that lived outside my study and I just used to, I conceived a hatred for magpies at that point because his noise was so annoying, it wasn't attractive at all.
	Now you mentioned veganism, now you probably didn't know Clive that I was For a period, a vegan.
	The reason was, I went to, I had Lyme disease.
	I mean, I've still got Lyme disease and I'm sure you can tell me about that in a moment.
	And as you know, when you've got Lyme disease, the doctors just, medical, your GP writes you off.
	I mean, you know, if he can't give you, if he can't whack you with massive doses of antibiotics, he doesn't want to know.
	Has he tried to send you, has he tried to send you to the psychiatrist yet?
	Oh no, but I must say, over a period of years, I'm sure that they wrote in my notes that I was one of the worried well, or whatever that phrase is for a hypochondriac, because as you know, Lyme disease is known as the great imitator, and you get all manner of disparate symptoms, and one week it's kind of Neural, the next it's the brain fog, the next it's whatever.
	Anyway, that's not the point.
	So I went, one of the things I did in my desperation, I went to be treated in Germany to have stem cell treatment and I was put on all these drips.
	I quite enjoyed the drips, I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced the stem cell made any difference.
	But afterwards they said we recommend you go for a period for I think three months on a vegan diet because it's anti-inflammatory.
	And I thought, well, maybe they know what they're doing, maybe they don't.
	I mean, I've since come to the conclusion that veganism is not just an abomination, not just bad for your health, but also a deliberately top-down thing that has been encouraged by the predator class in order to make us weak.
	I mean, you look at vegans, they look shit, don't they?
	They look like ghosts.
	They're not happy.
	And I do remember, the thing I remember most about my vegan diet, I spent the whole bloody time thinking, what am I going to eat next?
	What can I eat that I'm allowed to eat?
	It was incredibly, incredibly frustrating and I didn't feel better for it.
	So just give me briefly, we can talk about Lyme disease later on, but tell me the problems about veganism.
	Okay, I need to go back one step on the magnesium, because when I mentioned 12 in a day of taking magnesium, this would be short term, very, very short term to get you up out of the basement level, at least onto the ground floor.
	And you want to take them in divided doses, otherwise you might get diarrhea.
	So that said, the thing with veganism is, well, I've put When I used to see clients, I've put quite a few type 2 diabetics on a raw vegan diet of a specific type for 30 days, and I've never had one that wasn't type 2 diabetes at the end of it.
	I wouldn't want to go much longer than that.
	The three big risks of veganism, I would say, is B12 deficiency, vitamin K2 deficiency, and taurine, the amino acid deficiency.
	So talk taurine from the bull.
	And you can get vegan amino acids for the vegans who want to stay vegan.
	Supplementing with amino acids is super important.
	Why?
	Because the amino acids you get from meat or animal protein, let's call that 100%, the protein that you can derive from hemp or beans or whatever, maybe is 25%.
	So animal produce is far more bioavailable.
	So muscle builders take amino acids these days.
	They used to eat loads of steaks to get strong, but now they take amino acids and it puts on muscle.
	And I know vegans who are very healthy and have been doing it long term.
	It's just you've got to know what to do to substitute.
	We're meant to be omnivores.
	We're meant to eat everything, really, I would suggest.
	And our ancestors certainly ate animal products.
	So if a vegan runs low on animal-derived vitamin B12 or taurine, with B12, the doctors don't realise this, but deficiency symptoms of B12 can include Parkinson's disease.
	B12 can look like multiple sclerosis.
	Parkinson's disease can look a lot like dementia because it affects the brain.
	And it may be 10 years.
	The body has this incredible capacity to store B12.
	So vegans can be great for quite long periods of time, and then suddenly it hits them.
	Neurological problems, they maybe start shaking, they're getting weak, can't get out of bed.
	And it's hard to correct at that stage of things.
	It's easier to prevent it in the first place.
	So let's say somebody says, all right, I'm going to go to the doctor, get my B12 levels checked.
	I don't believe the doctors are taught the right numbers.
	You're fine.
	I wouldn't have said you're fine.
	I'd say you're highly deficient in B12 and at risk.
	So that's the issue with the doctor's test.
	Sometimes they really know what they're doing.
	I don't want to entirely diss them, but when it comes to these natural tests, they're a bit in the dark.
	Then there's K2.
	Do you want to talk about K2?
	Tell me about K2.
	Do you know about Western Cross?
	It's the second highest mountain in the world, isn't it?
	Yes, it's a good point.
	Yes, climb a mountain every day for your health.
	So, then in K2, there was this incredibly famous um dentist from America called Dr. Weston Price who all his holidays he went to see remote peoples who'd just been discovered with it with his camera and later with big teams of people and he'd photograph as many people as he could their teeth he never found anybody with a cavity right all the natural peoples wherever they were some people had brown teeth so he had greatly and weren't brushing their teeth or anything
	But he never saw a cavity.
	Always big, wide, smiley mouths.
	Whereas we, because we've been eating rubbish food, processed food, our mouths have shrunk and now dentists want to pull teeth out and there are holes in them.
	I've had a lot of mothers tell me recently that they've given their very young children kombucha from the shop and the sugar and the acid have totally dissolved their milk teeth.
	So people need to be careful.
	So, Dr Weston Price realised that the moment he saw Eskimos, or people in India, or whoever it was, change from the natural diet, whatever it was, to processed foods, that immediately they got cavities and their teeth started falling apart.
	And he knew that it was something to do with animal products.
	From his research over the years, he was studying this for years, And he called it Activator X and he found that he could repair people's teeth at an early stage.
	If you've got a little cavity, a tiny cavity, you can repair that.
	You don't need a dentist.
	He was giving cod liver oil and butter that had been grown in natural pastures in the spring.
	April, May, June, this time of year, it's so rich and that he called it Activator X, but he didn't know really what was in the cod liver oil and the butter mixture that was helping people not lose any teeth and repair them in some cases.
	And it was 1995, I think, when scientists worked out it was vitamin K2.
	Vitamin K2 is magic for bones and teeth.
	If you lack vitamin K2, Then you can't process calcium properly.
	And there's always a link between magnesium, all these things linked.
	You can't utilize calcium properly.
	So if you're on K2, you might have arterial issues.
	So the body will rob the bones of the calcium to lie in the arteries as a safety bandage.
	Right.
	And then an old woman who's had this K2 deficiency for quite a while had a magnesium deficiency, which also could have pushed the calcium back into the bones where it belongs.
	That woman suddenly falls over and she's got a fractured hip.
	Now, everybody assumes that she fell over and fractured her hip.
	What if it's the other way around?
	Through lack of magnesium, lack of calcium in the bone, lack of K2, the bone fractured and then she fell.
	Where do we find K2 in a diet?
	Or do we have to take supplement?
	The only way to find it is in proper pasture-raised animal products.
	Could be eggs, could be chickens, could be butter, could be cheese.
	Lots of the Dutch cheeses, if the cows were fed properly and so on, are rich in K2, EDAM and Gouda, I'm told.
	But otherwise, you're relying on fermented foods.
	The only way to get B12, other than animal products, the only way to get K2, taurine, is through fermentation.
	So you can take vegetables and you can ferment them, and you can create all these things.
	That's why sauerkraut and, you know, all the fermented foods.
	You've made me, you've decided what my lunch, I'm going to have some kimchi for lunch.
	So, and presumably it's raw, unpasteurized kimchi.
	I don't know, I got it off the shelf at Waitrose.
	I haven't made it myself.
	I can almost guarantee you it'll be pasteurised and totally useless.
	Oh, right.
	Oh, bugger.
	Yeah, so the whole point is you want the bacteria alive in kimchi.
	So in the health food store, you can buy raw unpasteurised.
	You can look, it may be, but they don't usually like that in supermarkets because if it's not pasteurised, it could carry on fermenting and burst in the shop and make a mess.
	I do have goat's milk kefir every day.
	Maybe that makes a difference?
	Again, is that raw or is it pasteurised?
	I don't know, I'll have to look.
	So put it this way, let's say we milked a cow and we pasteurized the milk and gave it to the baby cow in a bottle.
	The baby cow might die because you've murdered its food, you know, all those live living white blood cells, they're all the, you know, blood, milk is alive.
	So if you pasteurize milk, It might last for three weeks, whereas unpasteurized in the fridge probably won't last longer than seven days.
	Now, when raw milk goes off, it sours, and you can still use it.
	You've now got sour milk or sour cream.
	When pasteurized milk goes off, it's rotten.
	It rots.
	It just goes sour or rots.
	Big difference.
	But the shops don't want unpasteurized stuff, and the government have banned the sale of unpasteurized milk anyway.
	Anything they ban is good for you.
	Anything they want you to do, like become vegan, is bad for you as a general rule.
	Have we got to the point yet where we can talk about Lyme disease?
	Because obviously I'm dying to talk to you about that, and I bet you've got insights.
	Because, I mean, I've had it a long, long time.
	And I got to the stage having, you know, I mean, it took me years to realize what was wrong with me.
	And I've been around the houses.
	And at the moment, I find the most effective treatment for me is that I go and have, every day I sort of massage my lymphatic system.
	It's like a sort of lymphatic drainage.
	And I get Yeah, I mean, I've had some sort of head, sort of cranial adjustments to do with my cranial rhythms and my limbic system, which, which does seem to help me, but it's become a thing a bit like malaria for me, where I get bouts, it comes back.
	Introduced by stress, I think, or maybe is it the life cycle of the bug?
	Or what?
	I'm not sure.
	But I'm sure you've got some useful tips.
	Well, actually, first of all, where are you on Lyme disease?
	Do you think it's a, is it a bioweapon?
	I mean, is that what's happened?
	Is it a bioweapon that's gone wrong?
	Or is it, what's your theory?
	I don't have one.
	I can't answer that.
	The best way that I deal with everything, including Lyme, is first of all just to cross-question you on what your symptoms actually are.
	Usually, if I do a consultation with somebody, I might spend a couple of hours really digging into their life, because so many times People are diagnosed with something that was wrong.
	You know, there have been all sorts of studies done over the years tricking doctors, where people who know what their symptoms are because they've just had an operation or whatever it is, going to doctors to see how often they get it right, you know, the diagnosis.
	And it was frightening how often the diagnosis is wrong, often because the tests are wrong, But doctors are so ingrained with the idea, well, you know, there's nothing you can do, particularly with genetic things, for instance.
	I had this kid a while ago, and his mum had been told by the doctors that this kid was going to suffer for life.
	Non-verbal, horrendous.
	And the mum proved them wrong.
	It's epigenetics, you know, above genetics.
	And she fixed the kid when she was told it was impossible.
	So just because you think maybe it's a Lyme spirochete, well, maybe it is.
	Maybe it is a nutrient deficiency or a toxic metal poisoning or something else.
	Well, that would be good, wouldn't it?
	If it was something else.
	Well, it could be.
	So with the magnesium and iodine symptoms, do you have any of those?
	Yeah, I mean, when I've got one on my balance, I definitely get brain fog.
	I don't need to describe brain fog.
	So any pathogen?
	I think it might be true to say every pathogen hates iodine.
	Just hates it.
	It's very hard for a bacteria or a parasite or whatever to survive in those circumstances.
	I mean, there are many things.
	I've got one on my desk.
	Right, okay.
	Let's say it's blood-borne.
	Your issue is blood-borne, okay?
	So, this is like a watch that you put on the inside of your wrist.
	It's actually a series of lasers.
	So, what, every minute, minute and a half or whatever it is, all the blood in the body goes around, so through the wrist every minute or so.
	So, you can strap this on for half an hour or less, and if you blast the body with 635 nanometers, it can be quite good for dealing with parasites, hitchhikers in the blood.
	Malaria is one of the biggest blood-borne diseases.
	There are other ways to deal with that, but even the United Nations knows how to cure malaria because they've done it, but they're not putting it out there.
	Anyway, so back to Lyme.
	I would be, you know, over the last Almost 20 years I've been using frequency devices.
	Oh yeah, like the Rife machine?
	I have used the Rife machine.
	I prefer earlier technology.
	The machine behind me, as you might be able to see, is earlier technology.
	That's the Tesla.
	It's much easier to use than the Rife machine.
	Some of them actually say anti-parasite in big words.
	You put the right frequency into the body and parasites will want to leave.
	They will want to leave.
	And I haven't had any experience.
	Nobody's actually come to me and asked me to treat them for Lyme disease.
	I've given advice to people, but I've never treated somebody.
	So I don't know whether it would be effective.
	But so often, You know, it can be something as simple as iodine, because, you know, just to get your thyroid to work properly.
	So, if you get brain fog, there is a chance your thyroid is not working properly.
	So, just that alone might be it.
	I mean, there's Dr. Dietrich Klinghart, very famous German doctor, who likes Cystus Incarnus tea, which actually tastes quite nice, Cystus Incarnus tea.
	I've tried Cystus.
	Right, okay.
	Yeah, I mean it is nice, but I didn't go, yeah, this is the solution.
	No, because I think it's probably just one little part of the equation.
	What about the magnesium deficiency symptoms?
	Did you have any of those?
	Well, I had the most terrible period lasting a year and a half of insomnia.
	I mean, the purest insomnia, you know, where you were getting no sleep or, you know, so far as you noticed, no sleep for maybe two nights and then the third night you'd sleep.
	Was that stress?
	No, it just suddenly appeared.
	I mean, yeah, I'm sure there was stress involved, I'm sure there was a lot of stress involved, but yeah, it sort of, I tell you, it appeared after I got knocked sideways for a period by flu-like symptoms.
	I just had, you know, like when you say I've got a bad virus and Yeah, you sort of laid low for a couple of days, and it followed that, and it was like a sort of biblical series of plagues that hit me, and one of those plagues was the plague of insomnia, and that was by far the worst.
	Of all my medical problems, I wouldn't wish the insomnia on anybody, ever.
	I just think it's like the most extreme form of horribleness and torture.
	You know, because all you're doing every day, all you think about is, am I going to sleep tonight?
	Am I going to sleep tonight?
	Am I going to sleep tonight?
	How am I going to sleep tonight?
	Horrible.
	And at that time, did you turn off the Wi-Fi at night, turn off your phone at night and stuff?
	Could it have been- Oh, I tried all that.
	I tried all that hygiene stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think it was more fun.
	You know, I mean, I think I was having a nervous breakdown, actually, at that time.
	I was feeling very stressed about a lot of things, and it just kind of tipped me, drove me to the edge.
	So it could well have been as simple as a magnesium deficiency.
	That might have been all it was.
	You just burnt your reserves.
	Because you know if you wake up at three in the morning worrying for instance or you can't get to bed because the brain won't stop or you know that did you get if you know that's a could be a sign of magnesium deficiency or the amino acid trip.
	Was this why you were vegan?
	No, that was different.
	So I sent off my bloods from that clinic in Germany and they came back with all, you know, the various, you know, I had two of the Lyme spirochetes and the various co-infections that are associated with Lyme.
	I mean, you know, you'll probably tell me that those blood tests have Well, I wouldn't know, but vitamin C would be the next one you should try in serious quantities, like the person I was mentioning earlier who recovered from cancer after 35 grams of vitamin C. There have been cases where people have needed 200 grams intravenously in a day to recover, and then to die tomorrow.
	So, the more you need vitamin C, the more you need in quantity.
	And the body's self-regulating, just like it is with magnesium.
	With magnesium, I take maybe three or four a day.
	That's perfect for me.
	If I were to stop taking it for a few days, I'd get muscle cramps.
	That's the symptom that I get if I run low.
	And muscle cramp is a warning of a heart attack.
	But if you eat lots of fruit and stuff, is it not already in there, the vitamin C?
	Well, you see, minerals are eternal.
	You can set fire to an orange or pepper or something.
	All the minerals will still be there, but the vitamins will go.
	So you pick the red pepper, full of vitamin C.
	24 hours later, it's no longer full of vitamin C. And by the time it's gone through the warehouse and arrived at your kitchen, how much is left?
	Well, probably not that much.
	We're meant to be eating fresh food seasonally, locally.
	And so most people are low on vitamins.
	That's why we get colds.
	I mean, every infectious thing seems to have a basis in low vitamin C. You see, vitamin C allows you to detoxify.
	Vitamin C allows almost, it's the most important vitamin by far.
	So if you're low on vitamin C, you might never overcome Lyme because Just like iodine, they're crucial building blocks, absolutely crucial.
	So how many people are low on vitamin C?
	How many people have actually got mild scurvy?
	Loads of people.
	Most people aren't eating fresh stuff.
	Therefore, they've got, let's say your gums are receding, vitamin C.
	You've got inflammation, pain, you've got low energy.
	I mean, this applies to magnesium and iodine as well, but vitamin C deficiency can be huge.
	I had one guy, he could manage, he could walk like 100 meters or something, and that was it, worn out.
	One day later, on quite a high dose of vitamin C, Uh, he could walk a mile and I said to him, you know, I've given you a few things.
	He said, Oh, it's the vitamin C for sure.
	And I knew it when, when I took it.
	And so, uh, if 90% are still low on vitamin C, then we're going to be the ones who suffer.
	I mean, 15 years ago, maybe more now, when the whole vitamin D thing happened, you know, all the publicity about sunshine and so on, I used to get colds or flu or whatever, two or three times a year, I started taking vitamin D, which again is 20 pounds for a year's supply, never got another cold ever again, ever.
	So when I started taking vitamin C in high doses, my eyesight improved.
	That was a surprise for me.
	Yeah, okay.
	I'm thinking I'm going to get some vitamin C as well.
	Okay, now here's your next challenge.
	I get arthritis in my, you know, there.
	And my wife gets arthritis and she's very keen to knock it on the head, but she is not where we are.
	She still believes in the old paradigm and probably thinks that, well, she definitely thinks that I'm a nutcase.
	But if you could help my wife Cure her arthritis that would get me so many brownie points and help take her down the rabbit hole so it would be a win-win.
	At the moment we've started doing this we've stopped eating wheat products which is fine except bloody annoying because you know it means I can't eat toast and stuff and also there's quite I mean we're so Wheat is such a part of our diet, isn't it?
	It's like, we like the mouthfeel, we like the taste, we like all sorts of things that we associate with wheat products that make us feel happy.
	And, you know, here I am now scrambling around, what the hell am I going to have for lunch?
	What the hell am I going to have for supper that doesn't involve wheat products?
	Maybe you'll tell me that actually we shouldn't even be going down the no wheat thing anyway and that there's a much quicker way of dealing with it.
	So what should we be doing to get rid of our arthritis?
	Well, it should be super simple, right?
	You've got to build up a calcium leading to inflammation and pain.
	Get the magnesium to dissolve the calcium and then the pain and inflammation will go down.
	But you start adding a few things.
	Let's talk about Let's talk about the mechanism of what you want to happen.
	So the magnesium is the number one answer for arthritis.
	There are other possibilities, adjuncts, but magnesium is number one.
	So let's say that, well, let me give you an example.
	Have you come across Crow?
	He has a show called Crow 777.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Max Eigen.
	Well, I'm sure he knows, Max, but Crow 777 is a, you know, podcast.
	Anyway.
	Oh, is it?
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	So, I sent Crow a box of supplements in advance of the show.
	So, live on air, he's explaining that his sister had trigger finger.
	She couldn't straighten her finger and she just spent several thousand dollars getting an operation and was still recovering.
	So I said, and he said, I've got trigger finger as well, he said.
	I said, well, great.
	I've sent him some magnesium and some vitamin C, told him to take it.
	One hour later, his finger straightens.
	One hour, vitamin C and magnesium.
	One hour, live on air.
	We should have done this before.
	We should have done this better.
	Have you?
	When this happened on his show, he's got quite a big audience.
	We sold out of magnesium.
	It took us ages to get enough back again.
	But magnesium is magic.
	It's just incredible.
	It cured my arthritis.
	So the other things that go with it...
	So let's talk about the difference between a child recovering and us recovering.
	So a child, all the time, they're falling flat on their face, right?
	When they're really young, then they run around too fast and then fall flat on their face.
	They twist their ankles, they do all this stuff, but often they get better in minutes, right?
	Just a few minutes, they're running around again.
	Now, if we'd had that same twisted ankle, It might have taken us ages to get better.
	So what is it within the child's body, specifically, that stops scarring, that stops inflammation, and stops pain?
	What it is, is the body's ability to recycle protein.
	So we have an enzyme system, and if you've got vitamin C and magnesium, hopefully your enzyme system is working properly.
	And in kids, they're running at full power.
	So most kids, they're, Protein digesting enzyme systems are working, so they call those proteolytic enzymes.
	Proteolytic enzymes.
	So the kid falls over, the proteolytic enzymes flood the site of the injury.
	Proteolytic enzymes stop inflammation.
	Therefore, the pain stops.
	Proteolytic enzymes dissolve scar tissue and puts them into regular tissue.
	So the scar tissue doesn't happen.
	The inflammation goes down very, very quickly, hopefully, and the pain stops very, very quickly.
	As we get older, we lose that ability.
	So by the time we get to maybe 30 or something, We aren't repairing anywhere near the way that a young child does.
	It's going to take us longer by the time we get to 60 or whatever.
	We're maybe only making, I'm guessing, 10% of the proteolytic enzymes we did when we were young.
	So people might have, at the end of life, they might have an open wound that never heals, you know.
	But then people have accidents, they go for surgery, they've got scar tissue, maybe they get adhesions, and that's called fibrosis.
	So at the end of the day, what we want to do is have a lovely day and die in our sleep.
	The alternatives are dying of fibrosis, a buildup of scar tissue, like liver sclerosis, multiple sclerosis, osteoporosis, anything with an osis at the end is a buildup of scar tissue.
	Then there's the inflammatory and pain element of it.
	So inflammatory diseases are anything that ends in itis, like arthritis.
	Heart issues are inflammatory, generally.
	Cancer is inflammatory, generally.
	So, if you took as a supplement, proteolytic enzymes, what would happen?
	Scar tissue would get returned, assuming you're eating well and supplementing generally, maybe.
	Scar tissue can return to normal tissue, which is like 10 times more functional than scar tissue.
	Scar tissue is like the emergency bandage, but you die of scar tissue in the end if that's your issue.
	People who've got fibroids, like fibrosis, you can dissolve those.
	You don't need an operation.
	You've just got to use enough to digest proteolytic enzymes and so on to just make your body work properly and self-repair like it should.
	We are self-repairing.
	So, okay, so cut to the chase.
	Arthritis, the magnesium stuff, and the other thing you mentioned then, the thing that helped children recover.
	Well, that's proteolytic enzymes, and I've got it on my site called Prozyme, and it's anti-aging.
	So anybody in pain, need to put in the necessary parts to make their body work properly, right?
	On one level, it's not the nutrition that's doing it, it's the body just being able to work as it should.
	We're meant to be self-repairing, and on the day we die, we should be healthy.
	Just a bit worn out.
	Okay.
	So basically, if I force my wife to take this stuff, we might be allowed to go back on to bread again.
	Well, you can still eat bread.
	I mean, what about rye bread?
	If it's wheat, that's your problem.
	I love rye bread.
	Yeah, I mean, sure, but you've got to find a baker that does it.
	And, you know, I know you can get it from the supermarket, but it's not, it doesn't taste the same as, you know, I do quite like It's just because you're a wheat addict, that's all.
	Most people are wheat addicts.
	They want cereal or toast in the morning, they want a biscuit mid-morning, they want a sandwich, pasta, pizza.
	I'm not saying you, but most people are wheat addicts.
	It's very addictive, but they're spelt.
	We have to take control of our health in the sense that we've got to find the suppliers.
	Right?
	We can no longer rely on poisoned food.
	We've got to seek it out or make it yourself.
	It's great hand exercise, a bit of kneading.
	I know.
	Pilates for free.
	I used to make my own sourdough bread and it was just like, yeah, I mean, I've got a book to, I've got a book I'm writing that I haven't written because I don't have enough time in my, you know, the podcast.
	Anyway, whatever.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So we'll see about the bread thing.
	Um now here's another thing I've noticed.
	So so okay when I was on my um just started this no bread thing and um uh my daughter made me a uh a cake with ground almonds in it and and it was very delicious and it didn't have any you know whatever it didn't have any wheat in it um but I had it
	And within, you know, a minute, I could feel the numbness at the end of my fingers, which is one of the symptoms of Lyme disease.
	I'm figuring that sugar is really not your friend, is it, ever?
	Oh, absolutely not.
	I mean, you know, sugar, again, is the great addiction.
	Three weeks, you can train your body and mind to come through sugar and out the other side, particularly if you use the amino acid blend and fulvic minerals and the selenium.
	People need to realise that sugar is a neurotoxin, right?
	And there are lots of alternatives.
	One of the things that vegans are good at is making vegan puddings.
	Can I just go back to bread a minute and wheat?
	Because when I was young, I never met anybody in my life at school or whatever who had a problem with wheat.
	Never heard of it.
	Everybody could eat wheat.
	Never heard the word gluten.
	So why are people having a problem with wheat?
	Two big reasons.
	Three big reasons.
	One is they changed wheat.
	They hybridized it and made dwarf wheat, which actually has a whole different chromosomal structure.
	So old-fashioned wheat.
	So most wheat now is made with a hybrid wheat that is upsetting people's stomachs.
	Then it's not baked the normal way, either with sourdough or yeast and knocking it down, raising it up.
	They bake bread in 10 minutes in steam ovens now.
	So our ancestors knew that by letting the bread prove, letting the dough prove over seven or eight hours, that made it safe to eat.
	Nobody had a problem.
	So the wrong wheat, Now, when I was young, when the wheat was harvested, or the corn was harvested, whatever it is, they just set fire to the field, burnt the stubble to the ground.
	Minerals don't suffer with heat, therefore all the minerals got put back in the soil for next season.
	Then they'd rotate and put some nitrogen, fixing stuff like alfalfa or something, plant it for a year to put the nitrogen back in.
	But now, EU regulations, British regulations, they don't burn it down, that would be naughty, and they take it away and dump it.
	So that every harvest, the fields are getting emptier and emptier and emptier.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	Then, if people are eating non-organic, they will spray the crops with glyphosate, you know, the Bayer Roundup Monsanto poison.
	How that works, it's a herbicide, so they plant Roundup Ready wheat, which doesn't get killed by the herbicide, but all the other plants get killed by the herbicide.
	How does the herbicide work?
	By depriving the plant of minerals.
	Right?
	It affects the plant so it can't uptake minerals.
	So all the weeds die, no minerals can't live.
	The Roundup Ready plant still can't take up all the minerals, but it's Roundup Ready enough that it can tolerate being poisoned and still grow and look all right.
	So, we are being poisoned.
	with glyphosate, but there are remedies.
	You can neutralize, at least to some degree, glyphosate, and there are several materials that do it.
	My favorite is fulvic minerals, fulvic, F-U-L-V-I-C, which are soil-based minerals.
	You just get some soil that's rich in this stuff, run some water through it, and a small bottle of this sort of size will last you months.
	A mineral supplement, not the big minerals like magnesium, you need a lot physically of magnesium, for example, but with the trace elements, you only need tiny bits and the bacteria in our gut needs the trace elements.
	And in an expensive multi-mineral, you don't get the trace elements.
	Now, the water purifying people at the sewage works have to take out the fulvic minerals and the humic minerals, apparently, because you can't mix them with chlorine.
	So they're putting chlorine in.
	We are living this starved life and people blame wheat, they blame gluten.
	No, it's not the wheat, it's not the gluten.
	If you went to an older variety, a lot of people find they've got gluten intolerance, wheat intolerance, they stop it, they stop it for six weeks or something, allow their gut to recover.
	You know, rather than putting the irritants in.
	They usually start again, particularly if they go to, you know, an original variety of wheat, not the modern rubbish.
	Right, right, okay.
	Yeah.
	It's a dove, isn't it?
	Oh, we've got some doves, yeah.
	There are wood pigeons and doves, both, yeah.
	It's not my house that has the doves, we've got... The guy who owns HSBC lives next door.
	Does he?
	That's nice for him.
	Interestingly, I thought that he would be in on the Covid thing.
	I thought he'd be in on it.
	But I bump into him every now and then.
	And he's petrified.
	You know, wearing Keep Away.
	Is he?
	Yeah.
	Silly sod.
	Yes, it's a shame.
	You've introduced that subject and that's that's really good.
	I have various beloved relatives who've succumbed to the what I call the death jab or the clockshot and I'm wondering whether there's anything they can do to undo that damage or to at least mitigate it.
	Well, it's a difficult question to answer because we don't really know what's in the adjuvants.
	You know, there's the new Pfizer stuff that's come out, the stuff they want to keep secret for 75 years, you know, the stuff that's coming out.
	So we don't really know what's in them.
	But I think there are several basic things you can do for toxins in particular.
	So let's say somebody's rushed into the emergency room with toxic poisoning, whatever it is, an intelligent, Emergency room doctor would use charcoal.
	They'd be giving a lot of charcoal because charcoal sucks in toxins.
	They'd be giving intravenous vitamin C. They might be using bicarbonate.
	They'd almost certainly be using magnesium.
	In the emergency room they use magnesium if they're intelligent to stop strokes and stop heart attacks.
	You can stop a heart attack with magnesium.
	But then There are so many things.
	MSM sulfur, again, very important with arthritis.
	A lot of people are low on sulfur.
	Sulfur comes in ginger, garlic, cruciferous vegetables, eggs, liver.
	Supplements can be absolutely life-saving in a number of things.
	A lot of people are low on sulfur.
	Other things to detox, fulvic minerals that I mentioned before.
	They detox glyphosate, fulvic minerals will detox almost everything.
	If I was worried about self-replicating nanobots, I would be using frequency devices.
	I'd be using the most powerful, vicious frequency device I could think of to, if it's something electronic or something, or biologically, whatever, I would knock it out with frequencies, try and knock it for six.
	With the frequency devices I use, if I With a big one, it just turns the Wi-Fi off.
	If I've got Christmas lights, I can switch it on and it'll turn all the lights on because of the frequencies that are emanating from it.
	Fantastic.
	These are all healing frequencies, but I don't think they would be for a self-replicating nanobot if they exist.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But actually, the big one is carbon, right?
	They say that in the chemtrails, in the jabs, there is Right out of my head.
	Graphene oxide.
	Yes, graphene oxide.
	Yes.
	So again, one of the materials that to some degree neutralizes graphene oxide is fulvic minerals.
	So fulvic minerals, super important and inexpensive.
	The first time I tried this particular type of fulvic minerals, I woke up the next morning feeling different.
	It was bizarre.
	I'm not very sensitive to much.
	I don't often, oh, that's a nice supplement.
	Oh, it made me feel, I don't often feel it.
	With this, I woke up the next morning, my body just felt nicer to be in.
	It was really odd.
	What was it?
	Fulvic Minerals, F-U-L-V-I-C, Fulvic.
	And the first client I ever gave it to was this woman who was three months pregnant.
	Three days later, she rings up and said her morning sickness had stopped.
	Women aren't meant to get morning sickness, right?
	That's not meant to happen.
	And for her, it appeared to be that she was low on certain trace elements, certain trace minerals, and then her body was working functionally again.
	So all sorts of people get results, because we're all low on all the stuff I'm talking about.
	Really, almost all of us are low on everything, because the food is rubbish.
	The soil is rubbish.
	I'm really excited about talking to you.
	I want to go and try out these things on various guinea pigs, including myself.
	I'll send you a box of stuff for you and your wife, and so you can try it out.
	Thank you.
	Okay, cancer.
	You see, I find the whole cancer thing fascinating because, and we sometimes talk about this on my Telegram channel, and people say things like, that conventional medicine treats cancer all wrong, that the tumor is actually an expression of the body's healing mechanism.
	It's not a kind of, it's the sort of, It's not a thing to be cut out or to be zapped with radioactivity or whatever.
	It's a sign.
	And that what they also say, you can correct me if I'm wrong honestly, is that when you go for your routine cancer check, actually the prodding and stuff and the biopsies and stuff, help actually exacerbate the problem.
	So you're almost more likely to get the cancer.
	And that also, we've got many cancers within us all the time, which our body is naturally, naturally zapping.
	And the secret is to encourage our immune systems, rather than, you know, fearing cancer, and then going to the doctor, discovering you have cancer, getting in a long waiting list, and then dying.
	How right is any of this?
	I would say it's pretty much 100% right.
	I mean, if you've been really abusing your body for a long time, then cancers can be a result.
	We discussed colon cancer, if you're full of shit.
	Well, that's a problem in two separate ways.
	This is how I look at it, like the grain of sand in the oyster.
	Let's say that we take in some poisonous food, you know, just breakfast cereal or whatever it might be some modern, modern poison our body can't excrete.
	So it tries every way to try and get it out.
	It can't.
	Well, what's it going to do?
	It might pop it out as a spot.
	It might come out as a boil, or it might come out as a tumor.
	So a tumor is They say about seven layers of encapsulated tissue.
	So, let's say that, like the oyster creating the pearl around the grain of sand that's annoying it, supposedly, what if the body creates these seven layers of protective tumour around... I'm talking about an encapsulated tumour at this point.
	And I first came across this 25 years ago when this woman with breast cancer said that what had happened to her is her breast had opened and this tumour had plopped out.
	And quite a few people with bowel cancer see a tumour expelled, right?
	And so maybe the encapsulated tumours are the body's idea of wrapping it up and somehow getting it out.
	Not doing it very well if your breast is going to open, but maybe that was the only way that the body knew that.
	Maybe.
	Well, yes, isn't it?
	A friend of mine, also in the health industry, his wife had found a big lump which they feared was cancerous.
	She painted Lugolzardine on it for four months, it went away.
	But the danger is, let's say it is encapsulated, and they do a biopsy, which they like to do.
	So a biopsy is a really big needle with a grabby thing that rips a bit, through those seven layers of encapsulation, Right to where the nasty bit is, pull it out and spread it round.
	Oh dear, it seems to metastasise.
	Oh dear.
	I'm afraid it's gone to your liver now.
	I mean, what do they expect?
	But then there's the other type of tumour, it's like an open wound type thing, where it's usually because of irritation in some way.
	So people have fixed their bodies, self-repaired, after the most desperate.
	I saw one guy who had a glioblastoma.
	People aren't meant to repair with that.
	He'd be given days to live.
	Couldn't walk, couldn't string more than two words together after three words was a problem.
	Complete clean bill of health.
	He repaired it himself with an immaculate diet.
	Immaculate.
	And this guy took about 16 different supplements, used a frequency device, but he was in desperate state.
	If somebody's just been told, look, you've, you know.
	So many people with cancer, they're feeling fine.
	They didn't.
	It wasn't because they got ill.
	They went for a mammogram, had their breast squeezed so tight that they damaged the breast.
	You know, I mean, all those tests are A, horribly inaccurate, and B, they're all about money.
	They're looking for customers.
	I mean, every old person in England, I think, has been sent by the NHS at your expense, or our expense, a colon cancer testing kit.
	And it detects the tiniest drop of blood In the sample, in the stool sample.
	Now, I would suggest that many, many people have seen blood in their stool once or maybe twice in their life at some point over the decades, or whatever it is.
	But if they send that sample on a day where they didn't drink enough water, they had something that was really rough, and they ruptured a little tiny bit of the bowel, there's a spot of blood, they send that in, the doctor says, oh, colon cancer.
	tiny spot of blood.
	I'm afraid that could be a risk of colon cancer.
	Now we're going to shove a camera up your ass.
	And that's dangerous.
	I mean, that's just not safe.
	And, you know, well, to be on the safe side, we better do this, that or the other, when that person doesn't have a problem, they just get some rubbish.
	You know, let me give an example.
	I went about Last time I went to a Marks and Spencer's petrol station was about 12 years ago or something like 10 years ago, and I bought a packet of non-organic black pepper and salted cashew nuts.
	I got one minute up the road and I had blood pouring from my lips.
	There was something in those black pepper and salt cashew nuts that my body did not like.
	My lips were bleeding.
	So what if that happened on the day you do your colon cancer test?
	Bloody hell.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	G. Edward Griffin read a book about cancer, didn't he?
	And that the secret was vitamin B17, is that right?
	Yes.
	In fact, if people look up my name and Gerald Griffin, I interviewed him a few years ago about his book, about vitamin K-17, and it's from... K-17, sorry.
	K-17, sorry.
	And you can get it from the kernel that's inside of peach stones, the kernel that's inside apricot stones.
	So, smash open an apricot or a peach stone, there's this little, soft, nutty kernel.
	It's that thing, yeah.
	Yeah, so those are what contains the most B-17.
	So they do an extract which is called laetrile.
	They get it from apricot kernels, as far as I'm aware.
	Can you just eat those things without...
	Yeah, it's a technique to crack them without smashing the internal kernel to bits.
	Once you master the technique.
	I mean, personally, I like apricots called Hunza.
	H-U-N-Z-A.
	Hunza apricots.
	And Hunza used to be a kingdom.
	It's on the Afghan-Pakistan sort of border, but now it's incorporated into Afghanistan, I think.
	In the Hunza region, people used to live to 130, and women used to give birth at 60 or 70.
	There's a brilliant book that you can buy second-hand called The Wheel of Health by G.T.
	Wrench, and he was in the Hunza Valley, and he documented what they were eating, how they were doing it, and why they lived so much longer than the valley around the corner.
	And because the Raj took over, the British took over like 200 years ago, they had records of births and deaths because they wanted to tax everybody, of course, and make money.
	So people were living to 130.
	And the secret appeared to be, A, they had a glacier.
	And so all the water was glacial meltwater.
	So when the glacier It spirals around the mountain, it rips the rock and pounding it into the finest dust.
	So they were putting mineral-rich water, they called it glacial milk because it was creamy coloured or whatever because of all the minerals.
	And that made them so strong and all the plants they were growing so strong.
	And so Hunza apricots are a totally different species to the apricots that we're familiar with, and they are delicious.
	Where do you get them, though?
	You can buy them online, put in Hunza apricots.
	They're pretty rare, usually grown in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
	And they come dried, and I believe the stones in there, I think, have probably the highest B17 maybe that you can get because of the way they were grown.
	But you don't normally get, when you buy apricots, they've normally got the stones taken out, haven't they?
	It depends where you go to buy them.
	Yes, normally they would have the stones taken out, yes.
	But, so these ones, they're dried, but they've got stones and you just eat the stones, just like that?
	So, the apricots come much more dry than you're used to.
	The English type apricots, they're sort of damp, but these are completely dry and you can soak them in water and get them back.
	They're tough and chewy when you eat them straight.
	You have to be careful not to crack your teeth because there's a stone in the middle.
	So once you've got the little stone out, You want to hit it with something or crack it because inside the stone that there's a little the apricot kernel, you know, just quite small.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I know there's tiny things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's, that's, um, that's, that's really good.
	So we've done the course in apple pips as well, is that right?
	Yes, apple pips, pear pips.
	You always want to eat the apple pips and pear pips.
	Absolutely anti-cancer.
	And there are many anti-cancer foods.
	Strawberries.
	I mean, almost all the healthy foods you can think of that aren't ultra sweet.
	But, you know, everybody's different.
	Everybody needs tweaking.
	But with cancer, you know, I've got this club, I'll make him a member of it, called SecretHealthClub.com.
	And when I first got attacked by the government in 2014, I was the health correspondent for UK Column for about 30 episodes.
	Right.
	And myself, Ian Crane, UK Column, got a letter from the a notice from some quango the government has set up saying you've got 24 hours to take down all your videos or we'll fine you up to 250,000 pounds.
	And at that point, I thought, well, this is ridiculous.
	So I started a club called SecretHealthClub.com, where I put all the information that the government didn't want me to tell you.
	And now I've been removed off YouTube completely.
	It has even more relevance.
	So for the last eight years, Myself and the people that work with me, we've built up the Secret Health Club to try and make it a reference point, so it's A to Z of issues, you know, so if somebody's got autism or something, you can look up the best information that I and my colleagues have been able to find on that subject.
	Not hundreds and hundreds of stuff, but just This is what you need to know in order of preference to learn.
	So there's a cancer page where there are people who have done it.
	They fixed themselves, but how did they do it?
	So there's an addiction page.
	There's a baby page, which is one of my favorites.
	The baby page, the first video is how to speak baby.
	Because when a baby's born, they have at least five words that they say, but they're very subtle, and you need to learn them like you would a foreign language.
	And you'd recognise it with your own children.
	Just before they cry, they twice say what they want.
	They might say, heh, or they might say, eh, or they might say, ooh, or they might say, ah.
	They're these simple Noises that they make.
	And once you've learned them, and this video is about 15 minutes of babies over and over saying, I'm hungry.
	I need changing.
	I'm tired.
	I've got wind.
	They speak on day one, right?
	And so they're children who've barely not cried because their parents have understood what their requirements are.
	You're not stuck thinking, is it hungry?
	Does it need changing?
	And you do all that stuff.
	And now it's really pissed off because it really wants just to sleep.
	And they've been telling it, yeah.
	That is right.
	I mean, I wish I had a baby to practice on.
	Unfortunately, my babies have grown up.
	Just one last thing.
	I could talk to you for absolutely hours, but we've got coming up, you know, and I know, and probably most of our listeners and viewers know, We've got engineered famines.
	The powers that be have deliberately created these food shortages.
	They're trying to starve us.
	They're trying to poison us.
	Everything with chemtrails and stuff.
	How are we going to cope?
	What should we be stocking up on?
	Because I imagine there's going to be rationing and there's going to be huge shortages.
	How do we get through this?
	Well, the problem, I think, is that they want to kill the animals.
	You know, they're sending bird flu and so on.
	So, personally, I'm getting a couple of chickens.
	I always used to keep chickens and ducks and geese.
	And if they want to gas the chickens, they have to come through me to do it.
	But dried food, I mean, again, if you want fresh vegetables, You can get all sorts of pulses, all sorts of seeds.
	If I want a fresh salad in the middle of November or something, and I don't want to go to the shops, I can sprout broccoli seeds, chives, onion seeds, beetroot seeds, celery seeds, anything you can think of, alfalfa seeds, and I can make a fresh salad in a day and a half or something just by sprouting it.
	It costs me like 3p.
	So you can Sprout your own green veg.
	I've just bought some peas to sprout.
	500 grams of dried peas.
	Very, very inexpensive.
	So what I'm going to do is I'm going to get... I've got some shallow trays.
	I'm going to put, you know, an inch or two of earth and put the peas in really packed tight.
	And then in a few days time I'm going to have a pea tendril salad.
	I'm just going to cut them off with The scissors may or may not grow again.
	Then let's say you've eaten a celery, right?
	Let's say you've eaten it from the top down.
	Now you've got the bottom where the root was of the celery.
	Put that back in the soil and it will grow again.
	So you mean you're good at growing stuff?
	you can, you know, just because you've used most of whatever it is, the pineapple or what you can eat the bottom of the pineapple and put the top back in if you're good at it.
	It'll grow.
	This one wasn't grown that way, but you can grow pineapples or grow may not be that tasty in this pilot.
	But, you know, I've planted.
	I've got a really small garden right now, really, really quite small, but I'm trying to cram things in because you can grow things
	Vertically, you know, one of the favorites is taking some chicken wire, make a circle like an oil barrel shape, put it in a layer of straw earth potatoes, straw earth potatoes, straw earth potatoes up to the top, water it, and now you'll get a green barrel sprouting out from every angle,
	And a few weeks later, when they're ready to harvest, you can start at the top and harvest new potatoes, and by the time you get to the bottom, maybe you're harvesting old potatoes.
	That's very clever.
	I like that a lot, not least because I've got a potato bed at the moment, and I kind of resent the space it takes up because, you know, there's so many other... I haven't got much space either for my veg, but that's a really good way for people with not much gardening space And you can do it with strawberries, but you do it with strawberries on a thinner pole-like structure.
	Where do you get your seeds from?
	Well, at the moment, if I had no money, I would go to a seed library.
	You know, there are lots of seed libraries run by co-ops and so on, where you borrow the seeds at the beginning of the season, you grow the plants, you collect the seeds at the end of the season and give them back to the library.
	Right.
	So I've got some Asian mixed leaves here from the Seed Co-op, which is a community run seed co-op.
	It's not a library, but I'm sure they'd welcome the seeds back if I wanted to post them back to them.
	But, you know, the problem is F1 hybrids, you know, people are buying F1 hybrids, which don't grow true.
	They've been deliberately built so you can't save your seed.
	And again, part of the famine.
	is to stop people saving seeds.
	So I would be buying seeds of everything by how to grow food book.
	I mean, one of my favorites is to use potatoes as your spade.
	So what you do if you've got A bit of lawn that you don't want anymore, and it's rock hard, you try and dig it, the spade just bounces off sort of thing.
	You can put a layer of cardboard, cardboard boxes, then cut holes and put a potato on each hole, get straw bales, open the straw bales up and put a couple of feet of straw on top, water it loads, and then you come back in a few weeks time when it's potato season, The roots of the potato plant have gone down and broken up the soil and most of the potatoes, when you take off the straw, will be on top.
	You don't have to dig for many of them.
	A lot of them will be lying right on top and then next year you can plant something else with a much easier soil to work with.
	Is there a book that you recommend that contains all this information?
	I'm sure there must be.
	I'm sure there must be.
	I mean, there's the Japanese no-dig gardening system.
	The Japanese for a hundred years have been practicing no-dig gardening.
	I like that.
	There are loads of books on foraging because, I mean, at the moment in my fridge, I've got quite a bit of free food.
	I've got some wild garlic pesto that I've made.
	So have I. Yes, I've got one.
	I used to use pine nuts but then I realised you can get away with using walnuts which are much easier.
	At the moment I'm sprouting pumpkin seeds and sometimes sunflower seeds to bring them alive and put them in and they're super cheap.
	Just in case of apocalypse I've got like 25 kilos of pumpkin seeds and 25 kilos of sunflower seeds Your seeds last a very long time.
	I like the idea of pumpkin seeds.
	I never tire of them.
	And to make sure your pumpkin seeds are viable is to soak them for a day and see if they sprout.
	If they've been damaged, irradiated or something, maybe they won't.
	So, I've thought about this, what would I want to eat if the shops were closed?
	So, I really like protein, so, you know, sardines, that's an incredibly healthy food, quite cheap, very nutritious, quite filling.
	My kids like pasta, so I've bought quite a lot of tomato puree, and I've bought quite a lot of pasta.
	I've got a sack of rice, and I've got a sack of lentils, and I've got all sorts of flavourings.
	I went out and bought some various different curries, and if I'm going to be on a slightly reduced diet of... I mean, I don't actually like rice and lentils very much, my least favourite foods, but if that was what I had to eat, well, at least I could flavour them up with some really nice stuff.
	You know, I've got I can make a nice meal with some fairly cheap stuff that hasn't cost me a lot to put into storage.
	Most of it will last for a very long, way past the sell-by date.
	Then if I was worried that it was getting to the sell-by, I'd have a big lentil and rice party or something and invite everybody.
	Yeah, no, I think that's good.
	I've got lots of dried fruit.
	Loads of dried fruit I've got, because I really like dried fruit.
	And again, it's very filling if you had to go on a journey.
	You know, the Hunza people used to fill their pockets with dried apricots, dried black cherries, and that was their normal snack, to snack on dried fruit.
	And, you know, again, it doesn't take up a lot of space.
	You know, I've got a big sack of prunes, for instance.
	I quite like prunes.
	I'm trying to think, you know, well, in an emergency, what will still be here in a few years' time?
	Actually, I've stocked up with some jars of marmalade.
	I quite like marmalade.
	I've stocked up with honey.
	I stocked up with a big thing of coconut oil.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I treat it the same way as gardening.
	I'm just planting what I like.
	I really like mustard-type leaves, so I'm planting a few seeds of mustard.
	I really like rocket.
	I've got loads of rocket growing.
	That rocket's out of the ground.
	If you get it right, it's so easy, actually, if you're lucky.
	We're lucky with the soil.
	You've made me think actually, I must go and do some gardening now, as well as, yeah, and good.
	Clive, I've really enjoyed talking to you and we didn't even, we didn't even, perhaps some other time we can talk about the motivations and the I mean, the people who've been doing this stuff to us have been doing it over generations, haven't they?
	I mean, you know, Kellogg, Seventh Day Adventists, anti-masturbation, Corn Flakes.
	Just one facet of this war that's been waged on us by, well, the predator class.
	Well, quite so.
	And I mean, with breakfast cereals, you know, they put often it says fortified with B1, B3 and iron.
	And you know, they actually put iron filings in some of the cereal packets, because that's legal.
	This is a book that might be useful for people to get.
	It is the COVID Vaccine Adverse Reaction Survival Guide by Caroline Pover.
	And it's just new out there and it's for people who've had it and now want to reverse it.
	Yeah, that's good.
	Thank you for showing us that.
	Clive, I think, look, it's a lovely day and I don't want to take you away from your garden any longer.
	I've really loved talking to you.
	Tell us where we can find your stuff without obviously advertising it because you might get... Is this video even going to be allowed?
	It's going to be censored, isn't it?
	They're going to send the feds around to my house and shoot me and then shoot you.
	Oh, well, no, no, they're, they're going to be converted.
	They're going to hit Oh my god, I was wrong.
	I'm going to take off my gun.
	And so people can contact me at Clive de Carl.com.
	And my other website is secret health club.com.
	And now I'm off YouTube.
	You can find my stuff on brand new tube and rumble and odyssey and one or two other places.
	And so, well, thank you very much, James.
	Great, great pleasure.
	I'd like to interview, talk to you about your side of things, because it's all about how do we get the solutions out to people right now and all the problems in the world have been solved.
	On the Secret Health Club, I've got a page of, I think it's called Answers for the World, where there are videos where you see deserts being reclaimed, masses of square miles of desert put back to green.
	You know, all the problems, starvation, lack of water, there are no problems in the world that haven't already been solved.
	Yeah yeah absolutely I know I sometimes you know people sometimes ask what what paradise looks like or or at least what will happen when you know sort of God comes back to earth to you know um uh we're all redeemed and I'm thinking actually my my view of of paradise is It's within our grasp.
	It's simply a world where you do not have this predatory elite poisoning us, tormenting us with regulations which are not really in our interests, which leave us to be free to express ourselves, to pursue our own interests, not judging other people for their hobbies, if they don't interfere with other people's.
	It's really that simple.
	We wouldn't have to worry about shit like cancer, which was invented by the elites to kill us.
	We wouldn't be frightened 24-7 because we wouldn't read the mainstream media.
	We wouldn't believe all the stories that they put in there purely to frighten us.
	I mean, I think we're basically good.
	Our instincts are good.
	We want our children to have better lives than we have.
	We want to, you know, we want to spend time in nature.
	All our instincts, I think, are good.
	I think the whole idea that, you know, when I hear people say, yeah, man, man's inhumanity to man and man's instinct for wars.
	I'm not sure whether this stuff really actually comes from within us.
	I think it comes from outside.
	Yeah, I mean, the problem is, as you put it, the predator class, the psychopaths out there.
	It's not like we don't know where they live.
	You know, I felt with the truckers, they did the wrong thing.
	They shouldn't have gone into the centre of Ottawa or whatever it was.
	They should have parked 150 trucks out of all the bad guys' houses and had a nice friendly chat with them.
	I'm not suggesting anything unpleasant, but to But we have to take a totally different approach from marching or anything.
	Nothing's worked.
	So we have to do things differently in a very peaceful, loving way.
	But we have to totally rethink.
	I mean, 20 years ago, I started saying to people, look, instead of marching, plant food.
	Just plant food everywhere sensible.
	Preferably get permission from the council.
	Ask your next door neighbour who's got, you know, just plant food.
	Plant trees, walnut trees, cherry trees, peach trees.
	Just plant food.
	That's your way of rebelling.
	Rather than marching, just wasting a day.
	Yeah, meet nice people, have a nice day, feel good.
	But I mean, what if a million people planted a million fruit trees?
	They could just plant cherry stones.
	How many fruit trees could people plant?
	In the parks, the councils dig up any fruit tree because somebody might slip on an apricot and sue the council, right?
	You know, fruit trees are verboten.
	You can't have them.
	We need to change that.
	I mean, you know, what if, in the press, rather than, oh, a million people marched in London today, that a million people each planted 10 food seeds, crops, plants, you know?
	If we all planted 20 broccoli plants in the garden, then, in a while, we're going to have broccoli, probably, if we look after it.
	Obviously, people are going to look after the trees once they've planted them, to some degree, but...
	You know, I think we've got to view change very, very differently.
	Yes, we've got to, to use the cliche, we've got to be the change.
	And I think you're right.
	I think those of us who are awake know that our best Our best form of attack is not violence.
	I mean, why worry about violence?
	Because you look at the violent revolutions and you see all that happens is that the class that is overthrown, it gets replaced by a new bunch of dangerous hotheads.
	But yeah, our best revenge is to live well and find communities and do what I think we're meant to do.
	Why we're here.
	We are living in Eden, we just don't know it.
	We've accumulated all this crap over the centuries and millennia.
	And it doesn't come from us, it comes from a particular kind of predator.
	I wonder even if they are the same species as us.
	I think that there are, I mean, we can't go into it here, but I just don't think that the psychopaths who run the world do not think as we do.
	No, absolutely not.
	They think we're idiots for not exploiting the others.
	So, but it's easy, everything is easily remedied.
	I try to keep people on the lines of what if it's simple?
	What if it's not complicated?
	I mean, you and I today, right now, we are in paradise.
	And a lot of people, if they could stop worrying about the past and worry about the future, can wake up, well, right now, it's the best paradise that you can create at this moment.
	But people are always living in fear of the past and the future.
	And fear, as you know, is the opposite of love.
	Yeah.
	Well, Clive, thank you so much.
	We are totally on the same page.
	By the way, you know what my favourite line in the Bible is?
	It's that line when Jesus says, Physician, heal thyself.
	And I just think, embedded in those three words, It's the key to everything that we've got.
	You don't need to go to your doctor.
	In fact, you shouldn't.
	It is within.
	We have access to all these things just by eating well and anyway.
	It only remains for me to say thank you, really thank you to all of those who sponsor me in different ways, whether by buying me cups of coffee or by supporting me through Patreon, Subscribestar, Locals and Substack.
	Please continue to do so.
	I really appreciate it.
	And others who want to help me grow my podcast and survive, yeah, give me some support.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thanks a lot.
	And thanks again to Clive.
	Thank you, James.
	Thank you, everyone.

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