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March 2, 2022 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
01:46:47
Nick Corbishley
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Welcome to the Deli Paul with me, James Deli Paul.
And I know I always am excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
It's Nick Corbishley, and he's podcasting with me from Barthelona.
And he's written a book that I haven't read yet, but I'm totally dying to read because it's like so relevant to what's happening now.
It's called Scanned, Why Vaccine Passports and Digital IDs Will Mean the End of Privacy and Personal Freedom.
Well, you've kind of described it there in the book title, in the subtitle, Nick.
We don't need to read it now, do we?
Exactly, exactly.
We did have discussions about this, whether or not we should give it away.
But yes, we decided to go for something stark and strong and we thought, considering so many people are unaware of
of the risk that vaccine passports and this is like the post we thought well well let's make it as stark as possible so as clear as possible so we won't get that fight the the details of the bill i i want to find out a bit more about you um okay i you live in you live in barcelona and but you were you were born in in wales and brought up in in worcestershire same same county as as as me have you um
Would you describe yourself as red-pilled or down-the-rabbit-hole?
That's straight to the point, so to speak.
Red-pilled.
Down-the-rabbit-hole.
You don't have to be.
It's not compulsory.
I'm just interested in your take on the world.
Let me put it another way, because that's putting you on the spot, right?
There must have been a point in the last two years, given that you've written this book, that you sensed something was amiss with the narrative, with the official narrative.
What was your giveaway?
Yes.
I mean, I suppose what began to seem suspicious was when I started seeing articles within a week or two weeks of the
pandemic kind of being announced or even before the pandemic was announced articles that were saying like we are going into a new reality yeah and we will it will never be the same again yeah um and which I thought was really quite amazing to reach such a uh such a an enormous conclusion in the space of a week and I started to see
Tony Blair come on the television tell us how you know again our realities will never be the same again and and it just seemed that even at that point in March and April they were telling us look we've got to hunker down we've got to do the lockdowns until we have the vaccine so once we have the vaccines we'll have the vaccine passport so they were telling us within about a month to six weeks of this huge crisis beginning
Exactly what the script was going to be.
And I think that we ignored it, or many of us ignored it.
I found that suspicious and disconcerting.
But I mean, I didn't have many answers at that point.
With the vaccine passports, I mean, I was aware that there was going to be vaccine passports within, I would say, by about April, May, because that's what the messaging was, if you were looking for it.
And then in February 2021, Israel was the first kind of like democratic country to launch the vaccine passports with the Green Pass.
And I started hearing things about that, mainly on Social media, because all the stuff that was coming out of the official media was glowing.
You know, Israel was a wonderful place and, you know, they were going through this fantastic experiment.
And and yes, it was their way back to normality, which is what we were being told many months earlier.
And then what happened was they began noticing that in Europe, the European Union was following a similar line.
They even called the vaccine passports by the same name, which is Green Pass.
Which is unusual.
You've got like two vaccine passports in the world, under development, and both using exactly the same name.
And it was really when that got launched that I began to ask you those questions.
Because at the outset, they were telling us that this was all about freeing up travel.
It was about tourism.
It was about allowing freedom of movement once again.
And that discrimination was not supposed to be part of the policy.
There were clear clauses which were actually saying that discrimination would not be allowed.
Within weeks of its launch, you had governments in France, governments in Italy, who were absolutely using it at a domestic level.
And in what I found was incredibly discriminatory and extremely dangerous ways.
And, and we've just seen it get worse and worse.
And so I mean, I think that I would argue that I've always had been close to the rabbit hole.
And certainly, from around about February, March 2021, I was I was beginning to to travel down it.
And when this book began, I mean, I seriously went down the rabbit hole.
Yeah.
It's not a nice place to be, I have to say.
Well, yeah, we can come to that.
But I just wanted to give you an enormous hug of fellowship when I heard you describing how you spotted the narrative early on, when you said about April 2020.
And I noticed this too, and I was really surprised by it, because it went from, there's this new disease coming out, and it looks quite serious, and we need to take precautionary measures, and vaccines are going to take a really, really long time to develop.
No vaccine, you know, it can be rushed more quickly than, say, seven years, the testing process and so on.
And then suddenly, in a trice, Like, as if this was the most normal thing in the world.
With no kind of commentary on this by the media, the media narrative completely switched to, vaccines are the only way out of this.
And even there, at that point, I'd been writing pieces about hydroxychloroquine, and I'd even found evidence of some papers that pointed out that hydroxychloroquine had been very effective against SARS-CoV-1, and that clearly looking a very promising treatment for SARS-CoV-2.
And all this was suddenly brushed under the carpet.
No, vaccines are our only answer and we're going to really rush the vaccine programme.
So I smiled a rat too then.
But so few people did.
It was in the media, and this was the media's line, and no one was going, well, why are you saying this?
Oh, one more thing before I let you speak again, sorry.
I spoke to... No, no, please, please.
Are you familiar with Dolores Cahill?
Dolores Cahill of Dublin, University College Dublin, who is eminent in the fields of epidemiology and virology.
She's developed vaccines herself.
She was warning, before anyone was even thinking about it, she said, this is a means of introducing vaccine passports.
They're planning this.
And a lot of people at the time were going, These tinfoil hat crazies, they're anti-5G and they're anti-vaccine passports.
What are they talking about?
They're crazy.
They don't know, you know, there are no plans for vaccine passports.
And hey, look where we are now.
So that's when you started writing your book, I presume.
Yeah, I mean, I started writing, I mean, I was, I suppose in 2020, through 2020, I was just My main focus was on survival.
I had a tough 2020.
My wife was furloughed.
I lost in the space of 48 hours, I lost 50% in March when the lockdown began in Spain.
My mother-in-law from Mexico arrived Two days before the lockdown in Spain.
So I ended up spending 450 days living with my mother-in-law in my 90 square meter apartment in Barcelona.
So I went from like a fairly comfortable existence to living kind of on the edge and sharing a lot of my space with my mother-in-law and trying to work out what the heck was going on.
So I think that I was
I was aware of what was going on but I didn't really start paying attention in the sense of like researching until I would say the launch of the vaccine passports in Israel and that's when I started really paying attention and I wrote my first article about vaccine passports I think it was in April and even at that time when it was clear that they were coming they'd already arrived in
in Israel and they were clearly coming in the European Union which is 27 democratic countries.
The message in the media was this is completely and utterly normal I'm completely and utterly fine and there's nothing to worry about and it's actually just a continuation of what we've always done.
This is like the vaccine certificates of yore.
Like, you know, if you've got yellow fever, vaccination to travel to Latin America, to certain parts of Latin America.
That was the messaging.
And I thought this was totally misleading.
Something wasn't right.
And I started writing articles and I think Well, when I wrote my first article, I, you know, the comments on it, it was at least a hundred, I think it was about a hundred comments.
Many of them were hostile.
They were like saying, you know, this, this is insane.
You know, you're warning about totalitarian dystopia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And I think like almost all the warnings I made in that article have more or less been true.
Um, the questions, the threat to privacy, the mission creep, um, the, And I said in an article, we don't know how safe or effective the vaccines were.
And in April, that was like literally blasphemy.
Because at that time, it did look like the vaccines were doing the business in Israel.
They seemed to be doing the business in the UK.
But it was early.
And I said, we should at least wait to see how effective and safe these are.
And yeah, I think at that moment it was a dangerous article, but little by little I saw that it became less and less of a dangerous topic.
And I wrote more and more about it in the US blog I write for.
And then in July, I was contacted by an American publisher who was interested in maybe expanding some of these ideas into a book.
and to essentially warn the world about what we are facing.
And this is the result and it's coming out, I think it's coming out a good moment.
Oh very, I mean look, I mean it's a very important moment because I think there are lots of, the majority of the world right now Still believes that there is nothing wrong with these vaccines, that they are safe and effective because they've been told so by such experts as Bill Gates and respected figures and Anthony Fauci.
So why would these decent men lie?
Obviously they wouldn't.
And a lot of them are thinking, well, you know, I've got a passport and I've got a driving licence and if it makes the healthcare system work more effectively and if it helps me get abroad more easily, what's not to like?
I'm not going to resist it.
I mean, this is the kind of, the normie line, isn't it, on vaccine passports.
So tell me why this is not a correct line, why we should worry.
We should worry because what you're essentially doing, when you say, look, we all have a price.
We all have a price we're willing to pay.
And this is what I've seen with my friends here in Spain and with my friends in France, especially where France has had a much more rugged experience with the vaccine passports.
And everybody has a price.
Somebody wants to go to the gym.
Because they're fanatic about their fitness, their fitness fanatics.
Or somebody wants to travel two or three times a year.
Or somebody needs to travel for business.
Somebody who's 25 years old, you know, a couple of examples, who are desperate to go out every Saturday night to a nightclub.
I mean, we all have a price.
And when the price comes to, as has been the case in Italy, your job, you know, no, no job, no job, which has been genuinely put into effect in Italy with ruthless efficiency.
And then yeah, it's, it isn't, it's no longer a small sacrifice.
It's, it's a huge sacrifice.
And each time you give up a little bit more, the government will take more from you.
And this is what we've been seeing.
So I think that We are in this position and I would argue even especially now that we're being told that vaccine passports are kind of like being withdrawn from the scene and they're no longer apart or they're in the background now and they're nothing to worry about.
I think we have to be extremely vigilant because if you look under the surface what you see is that they're pushing ahead with other
um forms of control which are arguably much more much broader um I think that the vaccine passports have allowed government to change the way um to change the way the social contract functions to change the very nature of the social contract um and
And they've done it in a very discreet way, which is why I think most people have kind of blithely gone along with it.
Because most people see things from their own personal perspective.
It's like, oh, well, I just have to, what I have to do is, you know, get a vaccine, you know, once every four months or once every six months.
And, you know, that's it.
And I can continue to go about my business.
But by creating this or by allowing this new arrangement to take root, what you're doing is you're allowing government to take a whole different level of control over your life.
And it's this incremental, the incrementalism that happens.
So you give a little, you know, you give an inch, they take a yard.
And we've been seeing that in Canada.
I mean, Canada, for me, what has happened over the last three or four weeks in Canada should be the warning to every person, not just in Canada, but every person in a so-called liberal democracy about the direction of travel we're but every person in a so-called liberal democracy about the direction And if we're not prepared to listen to that, then yeah, we are in a very dark place and we will be in a much darker place sometime very soon.
So, in your book, in researching your book, did you find any evidence that these vaccine passports have been in the pipeline for quite some time and that there was an element of planning involved?
In my book, I mean, this is probably one of the biggest rabbit holes I went down.
I began
researching organisations like the World Economic Forum, I began researching the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and I came across this organisation called ID2020, which most people have never heard of, and I hadn't heard of it at that point, and this is an organisation whose founders include, I've got it down somewhere here,
So we're looking at the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation, we're looking at Cisco, I mean like there's a I think it's the International Chamber of Commerce.
These are some very large organizations and I think also Gavi Collective is also a supporter of this organization and if you look at who is supporting Gavi, I mean like you're looking at the most powerful You know, the richest companies on the planet and many of the richest governments on the planet.
And this organization, ID2020, despite its name, it was set up actually in 2016.
And its founding mission was essentially to ensure that by the year 2030, everybody on planet Earth had a digital identity.
Whether they wanted one or not, that was their mission, we say.
That was what they wanted to achieve.
And in 2018, I think it was, they released a paper which was talking about the wonderful possibilities that vaccination identity, that vaccination certificates provided as a gateway to digital identity, which is When I read that, I was staggered.
This was 2018.
And they were essentially saying that, you know, we have a wonderful opportunity.
They were not framing this.
This is what was interesting.
They were not framing this as digital identity providing a wonderful resource for helping public health.
It was how a public health emergency or a public health problem can provide a perfect opportunity for things like this to be rolled out.
And this is out there in plain black and white.
And in 2019, they began kind of putting this into effect in Bangladesh, a country with over 100 million people.
And, you know, this was, and if you, you know, you see how when crises occur, Any form of crisis, you know, they're often used as a means of launching, rolling out, arguably testing, piloting, kind of, this latent system.
So we've seen that in Afghanistan.
So Afghanistan, during its occupation by the US Army, became like a place, you know, they essentially Harvested the biometric data of many, many of the Afghans during their time in the U.S.
military.
And the dark thing is when the U.S.
military left Afghanistan, much of that data ended up in the hands of the Taliban.
And so, again, that was an example of how these sort of crises that occur provide opportunities to experiment with these sort of things.
And, you know, in a country like Afghanistan, it's easy to kind of like, you know, you don't have many protections when it comes to civil rights and individual freedom.
So, I mean, it's easy to do these sort of things.
So, yeah, I was observing, you know, I came across this idea in 2020, then you had the World Economic Forum.
It released a report in 2018, which Let me just see where I've forgotten the exact name of it, but it was essentially about re-engineering the social contract.
So, Identity in a Digital World, a new chapter in the social contract.
This was in 2018, and it was the main theme of the Davos event in 2018.
So, I mean, you have Essentially the world's biggest corporations and the world's wealthiest individuals coming on Davos and their biggest issue of importance was digital identity.
And that was in 2018.
And there's a wonderful quote from this report where it actually talks about how digital identity actually works.
And they say that, you know, digital identity can be used to open up or close off And in my book, I obviously italicize this, or close off, the digital world for individuals.
And the fascinating thing is, after this report came out, they had kind of like a follow-up report where they were explaining how wonderfully they were following up on these debates that they had had.
Accenture has already developed a unique identity service platform to manage biometric identifiers.
And, you know, the idea is, you know, these companies went away from this meeting and they began putting into practice and, you know, into play certain aspects of their identity.
So I would argue that by the time, you know, at the moment we're in, the technology clearly exists.
The vaccine passports are a wonderful testing ground for that technology and also a wonderful way of conditioning people to the idea of living in a kind of digital checkpoint society where you have to provide your, you know, you have to show your digital information in order to access even the most basic things.
Yeah.
Such as like a bar or restaurant.
When you were describing what happened in 2018 and some of the text describing digital passports and stuff, what struck me and what strikes me generally about the pronouncements from organisations like the World Economic Forum is that it seems that they've already decided what is good for the world, what we need, and they don't even
The process of explaining why it might benefit us, the end users, those beneficiaries of it.
It's like, they've stopped even talking about that, or they've never even addressed it.
Or they went straight from, this is good for you, we're not going to explain why, because it's obvious, here's how we might implement it.
If we had a beneficial pandemic, that would help, because we could use vaccines.
They're contempt for ordinary people.
The seven billion or so people are going to be affected by this.
They don't care, do they?
No, I mean, they were able to, I mean, put out a few kind of examples of how the world would benefit.
They said that, you know, there were a billion people on the planet who don't have access to identification.
So in order to help these one billion people, we're going to force The whole of the world to have digital identity, it's a strange argument.
But they also would argue that, you know, the wonders of convenience, the wonderful convenience of having all your data kind of like bound together in this wonderful little platform so that, you know, you can And you can see it in the European Union.
The European Union is launching kind of like a digital identity wallet that, again, nobody's talking about.
And it's, you know, when you read the way it is sold, it is this idea of, you know, it's just liberating.
It's incredibly liberating.
And you can go from France to Germany and access digital services and real services through this wonderful digital ID.
And it's like, yeah, but what are the downsides?
Where is the discussion of the downsides?
And there basically isn't.
There wasn't any discussion of the downsides of vaccines when they were rolled out.
And anywhere, you know, whatever newspaper you're looking at, whether it's in Spanish, in my case, in Spanish, French or English, I couldn't find a single article in the mainstream press that was actually warning about And these, the risks, the dark side of vaccine hospitals, it just didn't exist.
And we will go through the same thing with digital identity.
We'll be told that it's just wonderfully liberating.
It's just so convenient. - Yeah.
So tell me, I mean, imagine I'm a normie and I think, well, what's not to like about being able to travel freely with this handy new access all areas, digital pass.
What could possibly go wrong?
Why should I worry?
- I mean we should all worry because number one, your data is not 100% secure.
Not 100% secure.
I mean, nothing on the internet is 100% secure.
So your data can be hacked.
And there are lots of people who are warning about this.
And this is particularly the case if you, you know, if your government is putting all your data in one place.
If you're, you know, if it's being stored in one place, then, you know, imagine that, you know, the perfect honey trap this makes for hackers of all events or wherever they're from.
But, I mean, that's one reason.
So your data is not secure.
Another reason why you should be extremely concerned about digital identities, the likelihood is it's going to include biometric identities, which are the most precious and the most vulnerable data of all.
And because If that is compromised, if your biometric data is compromised, whether it's your fingerprints, whether it's your iris patterns, once that is compromised, there's no getting it back.
You cannot change your iris patterns.
You cannot change your DNA.
So the risk of security, regardless of whether you're worried about other, you know, more broader issues, your personal, you know, the safety of your data is not guaranteed.
Also, you know, we've had cases in the UK, The Daily Telegraph reported recently on hundreds of readers Who had suddenly found that even, you know, they'd taken the two vaccines and they'd suddenly found that one of the, one of the jabs had not been registered by the system.
Yeah.
And the, the, you know, the Telegraph put it down that the article put it down to a human error, obviously not, not algorithmic mistakes, but I mean like errors can happen and those people suddenly discovered That they've done everything by the book.
They've done everything right.
They've taken their two vaccines, or maybe they've taken their three vaccines, and they suddenly realized that they were worn down.
And they were suddenly having to navigate the kind of Kafkaesque nightmare of getting their information upgraded Speaking to mainly not human beings on the phone.
And some of these people, having found that it was more or less impossible, ended up taking an extra jab in order to qualify for travel abroad.
So you have an example there.
In Spain, there are roughly, I think it's more than 3 million people
Who have suddenly found that they do not qualify for the European vaccine passport, despite the fact that a recent natural infection of COVID-19, which is supposed to give you 180 days of eligibility for the vaccine passport, but because the Spanish health care system was giving all of these people the wrong test, the antigen test, instead of the test,
These people suddenly decided, realized that for the next however many months, I mean like the Spanish health authorities were telling, suddenly decided like you've got to go five months between ending your infection and getting your third booster, getting your booster dose.
So I mean these people are in limbo.
And this happened to me in July last year as well.
So you can do everything by the book.
You can take all your vaccine jabs.
Yeah.
Human error, or if there's an algorithmic error, you can suddenly find yourself out of the system, trying to prove that you are a legitimate citizen and you've done everything right.
And good luck.
And that I think is, that is one of the things that I would definitely say to anybody who feels that, you know, this is nothing for me to worry about because I'm doing everything right.
Yeah.
I think these people need to acquaint themselves or at least reacquaint themselves with some of Kafka's novels and short stories.
But okay, so I know how these normies think, because what they'd go is, yeah, but these are just teething trouble.
Of course, you're going to, in any new system, you're going to have teething problems like this.
And when they're resolved, it's going to be great.
You know, we're going to be able to travel much more easily and all my data is going to be in, you know, I'm going to, I don't know what they think, but they're going to think it's a good thing.
So tell me what bad shit.
Supposing that their data doesn't get leaked to bad actors, I mean unofficial bad actors, what could possibly go wrong if the government has access to all this data?
Well what could go wrong is that basically you are giving government much greater access to, or much greater information about what you are doing, your movements, Um, would you are, um, your health records.
So I mean, eventually like the, the, the concept is going to be a lot broader than the vaccine passport.
So, you know, it's going to be, um, containing your health records.
It's going to be containing your, um, your, maybe your tax records.
It's going to be contained.
So, so it's basically, it is almost like a huge library about you as a person.
Now, number one, What we should be worried about is the amount of power that gives to the government over each individual.
Number two, we should be worried about whether or not government is actually protecting your information, whether or not they're sharing your information.
So we had a perfect case in point in the UK, or should I say you had a perfect case in point in the UK.
past summer when the NHS was looking to hive off and sell off the health data of 55 million patients without asking them really.
I mean, they kind of had this weird consultation where they said, yeah, we're going to do this.
And they had this tiny little website where they were suggesting they were going to, you know, that your data could be sold off to third It was a third party, should I say, and they included corporations, pharmaceutical companies.
They could include insurance companies that have a clear financial interest in knowing what your health records are.
It wasn't until the Financial Times released the report about this three weeks before it happened that there was a huge scandal.
And NHS Digital had to take a few steps back and said, you know, actually, maybe this isn't the moment to be doing this.
After that, it became apparent that the NHS had already had data with over 40 companies, including some, well, I mean, like companies like, there was a data company belonging to
The Sackler family, which was the one who, one of the main agents in the kind of opioid crisis, exactly, the Oxycontin producers.
So I mean, you know, you had some very dubious actors and you had companies, I think like McKinsey was one of them, consultancy firms.
And, and yet they were, they'd also entered into an agreement with Palantir, which is a, A US company that is closely tied to the CIA and that has been kind of tarnished with scandal for many, many years.
We do have to ask ourselves, if we are willing to allow the government to re-engineer their relationships with us, Giving themselves much greater power over us.
Yeah.
We should at least ask ourselves, can we trust government as it currently is?
Yeah.
And I mean, like, I think just for anybody living in any country, having seen the kind of scandals we've seen and the way government clearly doesn't represent us, we should seriously have questions.
And even if you are I'm perfectly happy with the idea of giving the current government this amount of power over you.
You should at least be concerned about what the next government will be and how happy you will be about giving them that sort of power over you.
So it's, I think that the idea, I mean like the fundamental shift in this social contract, the fact that we are now moving into A world of forced compliance, where just about everything we do depends upon the kind of consent of government.
Even going to the gym, even being able to get healthcare.
In Canada, what has happened with the truck drivers, I mean, the fact that giving $20 to a protest movement can mean that your finances, your account, your bank account is seized by your bank with no due process.
I mean like these sorts of things, if they were happening in Russia, if they were happening in Venezuela, if they were happening in Iran, they would be on the front pages of every newspaper.
Yeah.
Until you had the United Nations giving The US and its allies, the powers to topple that regime.
Except, you know, nothing... there's barely a mention.
Yes.
So I think that... I mean, another case in point from the last week, Pedraghi, the unelected Prime Minister of Italy, former central banker, he said in a press conference that the unvaccinated no longer form part of society.
He said it out in the open.
And this statement was not reported in the mainstream media.
So again, if you were to say something, this is, we're talking about 10 or 15% of the Italian people.
We're talking about 6 million, roughly 6 million adult citizens.
And you have The head of state, the leader of the government saying that these people do not form part of society.
And yet there was barely a stir of protest among the left wing media.
And I would say also among the right wing media.
I find it staggering that you can have, if you took away the unvaccinated, the word unvaccinated with any other minority, If it was illegal immigrants, you try to imagine the sort of furore this would create, or the LGBTQ community.
I mean, there would be a huge scandal.
But because it's unvaccinated, you can say this and nothing happens.
And a government that is able to say these sort of things, to use the sort of language they use to talk about unvaccinated, kind of evoke and to promote resentment and hatred towards a minority within society.
Any government that is willing to do that is perfectly capable of changing the direction of that anger and hatred towards any other minority.
Yeah, yeah.
We are, our government is ethic and we should not take it lightly.
Why do you think that the mainstream media in pretty much every country has failed to interrogate this stuff?
You're right, if Putin were doing it, it would be on the front page, or if it was in Venezuela, it would be on the front page.
And these people, we're talking about papers which normally love kind of analyses of, you know, this is a new policy, will it work, will it be good for us and all, but they seem to be just not interested.
Why is that?
To be honest, I cannot explain with... I cannot be sure.
I would love to know.
One thing I think that is perhaps at stake here is that you have media that is desperate for money, and you have, in many countries over the last two years, The biggest advertisers in many of the governments, sorry, in many of the media, are the governments themselves, with their health warnings.
So, I mean, on the one hand, you don't buy the fugitive.
I would also say that the ties that many of these media organisations have with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which has been spreading Huge amounts of money across the media landscape for the last 10 to 15 years.
We're talking 300 and I think it's something like 350 million dollars has been donated, in inverted commas, to just about, you know, you look at the media organizations in the UK, the Daily Telegraph, which is interesting, the Daily Telegraph is Probably the most critical newspaper when it comes to kind of the vaccine passports and the narrative.
And yet, I mean, two or three weeks ago, when people were beginning to question the surging deaths from COVID-19 in Israel, there was an article that appeared in the Daily Telegraph basically saying, look, the problem in Israel is they're just not taking enough vaccines.
They just not had enough boosters.
Yeah, this is, you know, a country that was already on its fourth booster.
The article, if you look at it, was published as part of this section, this new section, in the Daily Telegraph, which I think is Global Health Security or something like that.
And this is Global Health Security, largely financed by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
So I think It's fair to say that our media has certain conflicts of interest.
Yes.
Which is probably why we are not getting a full picture, you know, representation of what is happening on the ground.
Did you, in your researches, Find out what the motivation is of Bill Gates because I think a lot of people amazingly he's done a very good snow job on himself and a lot of people look at him in his comfy sweaters and they see this slightly nerdy guy and they think well he's a he's a billionaire And he's decided in his later years he wants to kind of save the world through vaccination.
And we know that vaccination is kind of a good thing because we all had our tetanus shots and things and we know about polio and we believed all that.
So we like Bill Gates because he's a guy on a mission to save the world.
What did you find out about his role in the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation?
I mean, he's got some damn good PR representatives.
He can afford it.
Like I said, he's been filling the coffers of many important media organizations over the last 10-15 years.
For the Gates Foundation, $350 million is chicken feed.
Is it?
It really is.
A struggling media company, even a big media company, you know, a thousand or a hundred or one million pounds is quite a lot of money.
And so I think that he's always getting positive press, or almost always getting positive press in the media.
And even before COVID-19, to criticise Bill Gates was kind of seen as almost sacrilegious in many circles.
And the moment COVID-19 began, the pandemic began, you know, it was kind of, you are clearly a conspiracy theorist if you go after Bill Gates.
He's clearly a wonderful, generous philanthropist who has only our best interests at heart.
I think that we've seen a slightly darker side of Bill Gates in the last year or so.
I mean, he was instrumental in ensuring that poorer countries could not get the vaccine passports.
He did what he has always done, which is to protect intellectual property rights.
In this case, it was the intellectual rights of the large pharmaceutical companies that were producing the vaccines.
He's been involved also in the Epstein, he's been embroiled in the Epstein scandal in the United States, which again, that's not got the sort of attention that he probably deserves.
So he's still, I think, very much protected.
But I think we are seeing slightly more critical analysis about Bill Gates, but he's still, you know, he's still able to, he's a little bit like Whenever the media wants a good viewpoint of where we're going in the future, one of the go-to people is either Bill Gates or Tony Blair.
One thing I found staggering about the Dominic Cummings scandal in the UK, or the inquiry, when he was being questioned, is the number of times he mentioned Bill Gates in that inquiry.
It was, I think, at least eight times he said the name Bill Gates and he was talking about how Bill Gates or his people, you know, he was saying, you know, Bill Gates' people, you know, were telling us what we could do and what we should do.
And that was just scrubbed out of the media coverage.
And it was, I found it just fascinating because we're told all the time Bill Gates isn't doing these sort of things and suddenly you have Um, one of the most important people in government saying it.
Yeah, actually, he was kind of like playing a key role orchestrating our response and it was just ignored.
It was like tumbleweed.
Yes, that is interesting.
So he's been playing a long game, hasn't he?
Because there's the image of himself which is transformed.
He's softened his image and he's ubiquitous.
He's been clearly bribing the media for a long, long, long time.
So he's setting himself up for what's happening now.
He's clearly got a plan.
What is his plan?
What's in it for him?
Why is he doing it?
I mean, I would not be able to say, because I have not been able to read his mind or his unofficial memoirs.
But I mean, I think that if you're looking at what overarching plan,
I mean, I think that he's one person among many, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is one organisation among many that is pushing an agenda, whose final goal is to create this kind of digital control grid that will provide them with means
a means of, I would say, almost like regaining control of the masses.
I think that they are, we're in this interesting tipping point right now, where I think that government is losing power to a large extent, even as it is trying to consolidate power.
It is losing influence because The internet has allowed this kind of democracy of information, this ability to share information, even though when you look at social media like Twitter and Facebook, there's more and more censorship.
If you go on Twitter right now, even though there's a lot more censorship than there was five years ago, you're still able to find out information that you would never be told on the BBC.
Or you will never be told on The Guardian.
So I think it is kind of like about trying to claw back this control.
I think that they are struggling to maintain the narrative.
So I mean, I think that certainly the COVID-19 narrative is beginning, is crumbling.
And this explains to a certain extent why governments are, like particularly in England, the government in England is Kind of pulling off this, you know, 180 degree U-turn and dropping many, many, many of the restrictions.
And we, I mean, we are in a, but I think fundamentally digital technologies provide organizations like the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation and their stakeholders, and particularly the World Economic Forum, Which, I mean, I would like to talk to more detail.
I think the World Economic Forum has more influence than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in this.
It's the possibility of creating this kind of forced compliance, this system of control.
And the goal, ultimately, is to tie this in with so-called central bank digital currencies, which are probably going to be rolled out in the next two to five years.
And central bank digital currencies are essentially digital money.
It's almost like cryptocurrency, but instead of being decentralized, it's completely centralized.
It's going to be run by each central bank in each country.
And basically citizens will have the opportunity, which is another lovely word, to have an account with the central bank.
And this will be purely digital.
One of the things that we're going to do is to have an account with the central bank.
One assumes that when the system is ready, cash will essentially disappear and we will have this system of digital money that will be tied in with digital identity.
What that means is that governments
with central banks will have the capacity not only to say to us you know if you're not vaccinated you won't be able to work if you're not vaccinated you won't be able to do this if you're not vaccinated you won't be able to do that or or with a digital identity if you are not paying your taxes you know you won't be able to access these services they will essentially be able to turn off access to money and they will be able to deactivate your account and that is that is hugely
The Daily Telegraph released an article, I think it was two or three months ago, where they talked about the possibility of programming these digital currencies so that they can more or less decide what you can spend your money on and what you can't spend your money on.
So if you've got, you know, certain weight issues, you know, they can maybe stop you from buying certain unhealthy foods.
If you're drinking a little bit too much alcohol, you suddenly go to the counter and you try and pay with your digital currency and you suddenly find out, actually, you know, I can't buy this beer.
You've gone past your weekly allowance.
And this is something that they are talking about pretty openly.
It's not something that is hidden.
It's not a plan that is being hatched in dark, smoky rooms.
This is something that is being talked about openly.
It's in the newspapers.
It's just not receiving the sort of treatment that would allow most people to go, what the heck?
What is this?
And how will this affect my life?
Yeah.
So, I mean, once you get this, once you get this set up, you know, you've got basically a perfect control system.
And what happened in Canada this past week is a perfect example, it's a glimpse, it's a foretaste of how this will work.
Yeah.
So you have, I mean if you are a perfectly law-abiding citizen, let's say you're a doctor in Canada who has been treating COVID patients for the last two years, you're a perfectly law-abiding citizen, you pay all your taxes, you've never had a criminal record, but you are concerned about the The threat to civil liberties that the vaccine mandates pose.
So you decided, on a whim, I'm going to just give $20 to the Freedom Truckers because I think that they are, I may not agree with them completely, but I think that they are fighting the right fight.
Suddenly you may find out you can no longer access your bank account.
Maybe your insurance contracts are no longer valid.
I mean, it's a staggering power that the Canadian government has just given themselves.
Yeah.
And yet not being talked about in most media.
Well, that's because everyone's going, look, Ukraine!
Ukraine!
Never mind!
Yeah, well, it's... I mean, it's a nice diversionary tactic, I would suggest.
I mean, even if Ukraine wasn't happening, it just wouldn't be covered.
No, no, no.
And I don't know what it's like in the UK, but in Spain right now, it's just most people are not even aware that these truckers have been doing anything in Canada.
It's a complete lockdown on information.
Tell me what it's like in Spain.
I mean, I'm sort of inferring from what you've said that you might have reluctantly had the jab or not, or have you managed to hold out?
Well, I haven't had the jab.
I am divulging this information because I divulge this information on the first page of my book.
Otherwise, I think that is a question that nobody should be forced to answer.
It's a very personal question.
But yeah, I have not had the jab.
My wife and I, we made the decision probably March, April last year that we wouldn't have the vaccine after doing lots of research on our own, we kind of like we made sure that we did not affect each other's opinions.
And we kind of engaged in our own research, we went down to a certain extent, our own rabbit holes.
And we, we came to the conclusion that it was not in our interest.
The costs, in our view, outweigh the benefits or the potential costs outweigh the potential benefits.
And in July, We came down with COVID-19.
We went through this experience.
I had been hearing about this for a long time, from just reading comments on the blog I write for and from other sources, that the moment you test positive for COVID-19, you're essentially told by your doctor to go home and to see what happens.
And if you feel like you're dying, The phone ambulance.
And I thought that this was just too crazy to be true, and that is exactly what happened.
I'm an asthmatic.
I told my doctor, you know, I'm an asthmatic, you know, what do you suggest I take?
And he just said, just take paracetamol.
Which I found, really?
This is a deadly virus that is killing millions of people around the world, and you're telling me just to take paracetamol?
Because I know that if I get a flu, if I get even a bad cold, doctors will often prescribe me antibiotics just to make sure it doesn't get onto my chest and I don't develop bronchitis.
This is quite a common thing, and maybe they'll give you steroids, oral steroids, just to ward off the worst possible consequences.
And yeah, I was told to go home.
My wife and I had I would say reasonably mild symptoms.
I got down to 93% levels of oxygen, at which point my wife and my father back in the UK began telling me, look, you should go into hospital just to get tested, which is what I did.
My wife called an ambulance.
This is where it got really dark because the person in the ambulance service said he wanted to speak to me on the phone.
So yeah, I was struggling to breathe.
I was, it wasn't that bad, but you know, I, I spoke to him for two or three minutes and he said, look, I don't think you need to go to hospital.
And I said, why is that?
And he said, because you can still talk.
Um, and, and at that point I was like, what the heck is going on?
I gave, I gave the phone to my wife, um, who basically put this guy in his place.
She's, uh, she's very good.
at asserting her rights and my rights.
And an hour later, the ambulance came around, picked me up, took me to hospital.
And I was given all the tests.
And they all came back clear.
I mean, like, you know, there were no problems with my lungs.
Everything was fine.
And the doctor, what I found interesting is the doctor, at the end of it, he said to me, lovely Peruvian chap who said to me, if you could get rid of one of your symptoms, just like that, which one would you get rid of?
And I said, well, probably the eight days of fever.
And that would be nice.
And he just wrote me a prescription for this medicine.
And he said, here you go.
And I took it that night.
I took it the next morning.
And within about 12 hours, I had pneumonia.
It was gone after eight days.
So I mean, it was again, it was an eye opener.
We were very fortunate because we were accompanied through those first 10 days by a very close friend of my wife's from Mexico.
My wife is Mexican.
Who was guiding us.
She was talking to us every day.
She was telling us what we should be taking.
We had a certain medicine you're not allowed to mention on certain social media.
Which we... It begins with an I, ends in an N. It's very dangerous.
It's exceptionally toxic.
Despite having one.
I had something.
We had things like zinc, we had things like vitamin D, and we did these things which, you know, you're not supposed to do, which is actually try to improve your chances of not developing serious symptoms.
I find it absolutely staggering that we are now in kind of like we're in the 25th month or 26th month of this pandemic.
And in almost all Western countries, there is no Attention given, outpatient service given to people in the first seven to ten days of this virus, regardless of their risk profile it seems.
So my brother-in-law had COVID two weeks ago and he has a high risk profile.
He's 38 years old.
I mean, because of a chronic illness he has, he has a high risk profile.
He did not receive a single phone call from his GP.
My sister was phoning.
She phoned twice and no phone call was returned.
And he was left to fight it out on his own.
And that is what happened.
It's such a bizarre dichotomy.
It's such a bizarre contrast.
On the one hand, we are told that this is a deadly virus that we have to be exceptionally fearful of.
And we have to protect our health system.
from the um you know the ravages of COVID-19.
At the same time no effort is made to protect patients even the most at-risk patients in the first seven to ten days.
I liken it just to like Well, but this is deliberate.
I mean, this is very much part of the phenomenon that you describe, that your book's about.
The reason that... This is by design.
This is not accident.
The system is designed not to let you have prophylactics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine because otherwise they could not get the emergency approval for these rush-release vaccines, which aren't vaccines.
And that's why, I mean, okay, it's mystifying on a basic logical level but it completely makes absolute sense once you understand what you've described.
Yes, I mean I think that there's clear, and also I mean like the therapeutics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine represent also a threat to The novel treatments that are now coming online from Pfizer and from American companies.
You see, the Queen's got allegedly COVID at the moment and she is having this treatment, I think, which is called something else, but then its contents are, you know, four pills, each one containing three milligrams, whatever it is, of ivermectin.
I don't think I've ever met him with a new special name.
Presumably, it's one that's more profitable for the pharmaceutical companies.
It's crazy.
Can I ask you, though?
Spain, what... Is Spain making it difficult for the unvaccinated?
I mean, I know you're obsessed with... No, I mean, Spain... Yeah, I mean, like, we...
We use masks.
I've not really got, I've not got much of an issue with masks myself.
But Spain has actually been a very, compared to most countries in the European Union, has been a very nice place to spend the last seven or eight months.
We've not had, apart from If you don't like masks, exactly.
If you don't like masks, it's not really the best thing.
There's a point to this, come on!
I mean, you know, there's not... Why?
I think that... You're talking about coercion.
You're talking about... Masks are coercion.
I think that... I think that if we had good masks, and if I think that if we were... But we don't!
And it's not real anyway.
Come on, I mean... I think... I think that, I mean, like...
Personally speaking, I mean, I think that the mask issue is not as... I mean, I think that there are... I don't think we need to use masks.
I think we will agree to disagree on this.
We will.
OK.
So what preference do you make to the unvaccinated?
But in terms of, like, beyond the questions of the masks, Spain has been a much better place to be than Italy.
It's been a much better place to be than France.
It's been a much better place to be than Germany and I think most other countries in the European Union.
We've had, I mean, I have to distinguish between certain parts of Spain.
So you had four regions in Spain that never applied the vaccine passports domestically, including the community of Madrid.
So they're all kind of like run by conservative governments.
Most of the other regions of Spain implemented vaccine passports domestically in December and many of them have withdrawn them.
So you've had like Catalonia has withdrawn them, Asturias has withdrawn them, Cantabria has withdrawn them, the Balearic Islands has withdrawn them.
The last time I looked, around about half of the country had withdrawn the vaccine passports domestically.
So it was a little bit like the UK.
They introduced them and then like a month, month and a half later it was gone.
So in that regard there are parts of Spain, I think Andalusia, I think Valencia, that are still using them domestically to a certain extent.
I mean like compared to what's happening in Italy where You can't get on a bus to go across town if you don't have a vaccine passport.
It's a very different sort of system.
But here we are, Nick.
Here we are being sort of pathetically grateful that instead of being put on kind of half rations, we've got a full ration of gruel from our generous governments.
It could be worse.
We could be in solitary confinement.
And this is the problem, isn't it?
I agree.
That is one of the dark sides.
I mean, and I think that even the argument that the vaccine passports are being withdrawn is not remotely true.
So if you, for international travel, the vaccine passports are definitely still in place and the European Union is determined to extend them by another year.
While they presumably while they kind of like get the digital ID system in place and so in the UK I think Boris Johnson yesterday withdrew the vaccine passport the voluntary application vaccine passport so it's so England is an interesting place where there is no application vaccine passport domestically but Wales
And Northern Ireland is still very much in place and Scotland is finally going to be withdrawing the vaccine passport.
But again, they're still leaving it in place for it to be used voluntarily by venues and if you want to travel to the mainland, you still need the vaccine passport.
So it's like you said, there is a partial withdrawal.
I think I get the feeling that we've kind of like they've taken like 10 giant steps And they've kind of got what they want, so they've taken a couple of baby steps backwards.
And like you said, everybody is supposed to be thanking government for being given back certain privileges, which is what's happening right now, and everybody's celebrating and everybody's thinking this is wonderful.
I think that it's extremely dangerous to be believing that.
When you say they've got what they wanted so they can take a step back, what do you mean by that?
So you have a, you know, the vaccine passport, you have more or less a digital identity system in place and you've more or less got a normalisation of this system.
So most people have accepted, you know, the idea, you know, I just need to flash my mobile to be able to go to the bar.
I just need to be able to flash my mobile to be able to... So, I mean, it's kind of like a conditioning of the majority of the population to this idea.
And so if they want to go further and if they want to launch this identity, which is, you know, the UK government It's or at least it's certainly exploring it.
It's launching a pilot scheme and it's going to be with for the gateway this time is employment.
So in order that their employers can identify their employees, you know, they're creating this digital identity system.
In Europe, it's a digital identity wallet with huge possible applications.
So it's That might take another year or two, but right now they've kind of got a majority of the population in most countries accepting the idea.
Yes.
And that is a major step.
Well, it's interesting, we were talking in the beginning about how much of this has been pre-planned, and I've got a, you know, I don't know what model iPhone I've got, but when I turn it on, there is a function which Like a vaccine passport function or a medical pass function already built into it.
Now, I think I got that phone, well, early in the alleged pandemic.
I mean, you know, in 2020.
So Apple must have been planning this before even COVID was a thing.
You know, they already had this notion of this health passport.
Well, I mean, I mean, I mentioned in my book, one of the most incredible things that I discovered in my book is that the European Union was planning, you know, across the block, vaccine certificates going back all the way to 2018.
And this again, it's there in black and white on their website.
And, you know, they have a timeline of what they're going to do during The next four years and how they're going to put this in place.
So it's all about creating interoperability.
And one of the really complicated things is not just about launching and getting these systems out there.
It's about making them interoperable so that you can, you know, if you are vaccinated in Spain, you can go to the UK with your vaccine passport and still access all The venues and services you need while you're visiting the UK.
So I mean, that was being talked about back in 2018.
Not with, obviously not with COVID-19, but there were plans in place to get a vaccine, a digital vaccine certificate set up between 2018 and 2022.
So yes, that was startling when I discovered that.
I mean, it didn't surprise me enormously, but it was still startling to see it in black and white.
And have you fingered the baddies in this?
I mean, clearly Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are bad actors.
You mentioned the World Economic Forum.
In terms of the evil Dark Lords responsible for this, who are the worst?
I mean, I think that if you had to I'll just point out one organisation that has been driving this more than any.
It is probably the World Economic Forum, just because of their sheer clout, because of the influence that they have built in government, that we're beginning to realise now.
There's a video that's become available, and it's been available since 2017, but it's kind of like
Certainly doing the rounds and how long it will stay on social media, I don't know, but it's the WEF, the World Economic Forum's chairman and founder, Klaus Schwab, talking at the Harvard Kennedy School of Governance in 2017 in a conference.
And he basically boasts about how the World Economic Forum has penetrated Governments around the world.
Cabinets.
Not governments.
Cabinets.
Cabinets of governments around the world.
And he brags about how he was just in Canada visiting the Trudeau government and he realized with such a sense of pride that half or maybe more than half of that cabinet were former members or alumni of the Young Global Leaders program.
That's the World Economic Forum running since the early 90s.
It's staggering when you, I mean, I'm hoping that at least one thing that may come of what, you know, the book that I wrote and the recent Joe Rogan interview of Majd Nawaz, which is certainly going viral.
The attention, hopefully, you know, The World Economic Forum will begin to get the attention it deserves in terms of the malign influence it plays and the re-influence.
So, if you're looking at, before you had the young global leaders, you had, what was it called?
It was like leaders for, the global leaders for tomorrow, I think it was called.
So, I mean, this goes all the way back to 1993.
And every year they would select, I think it's over 100 people to attend this program.
And when you look at their names, it's absolutely staggering.
So you're looking at Tony Blair was in the first class.
This is going back to 1993 before he became leader of the Labour Party.
You've got Merkel before she became leader of her respective party.
You've got people like Bill Gates himself was a member of this program.
You have people, you know, the CEO, the former founder of Google, Mark Zuckerberg, the current Health Minister of Germany, and you've got the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
So many of the countries that have been pushing hard, you've got Macron in France, So the more you look at it, it's like many of the people who are kind of like pushing the COVID policies and obviously the vaccine passports were, you know, they attended this program.
They are alumni of the World Economic Forum's program.
And then you look at like the World Economic Forum's board, their managing board, and you've got, you know, there were IMF, You've got Christine Lagarde, you've got Larry Fink, who is the Blackrock CEO, you've got Jack Ma, you've got, who is the CEO of Tencent Financial, one of the most important companies in... Sorry?
Yeah, he's the big Chinese... Tencent or Alibaba, I forget.
I think it's Ant Financial, but I may be wrong on that.
You've got some immensely powerful people representing immensely powerful organisations and you're looking at the World Economic Forum and it's clear that their interest, their agenda
represents the interests and agendas of the 500, 600 most powerful companies on the planet, mainly in the United States and Europe.
You'll have a few, you know, scattering of companies from Latin America, a scattering of companies from Africa, well actually almost no companies from Africa, a few companies from Parts of Asia that are not China and Japan.
But also, I mean, a surprising number of companies from China as well.
So you've got an organisation that represents the interests of these vast, vast multinationals.
Yeah, it's like Blade Runner, isn't it?
I mean, Blade Runner tortures.
The corporations will control the world.
Yeah, I mean, I think that we are That is kind of like the quiet coup that we've seen over the last 20, 30 years.
And we are beginning to see kind of like the culmination of that.
So I mean, in 2019, the World Economic Forum signed a partnership agreement with the United Nations.
And like, when you think about what that means, it's staggering.
You know, the United Nations, which is the kind of like the ultimate supranational organization on the planet that is deciding
The kind of global policies that countries are certainly being encouraged, to put it lightly, to follow, and you have the World Economic Forum reaching a strategic agreement, and that was denounced by many NGOs, certainly the NGOs that are not on board with the World Economic Forum and the United Nations, as an example of
Take over of global policy.
So yes, I think the World Economic Forum, at the very least, needs a much brighter light shone upon it.
And not just during those few days they gather in Davos.
Maybe that bright light should be a death laser, because I think that's the only thing that's going to really... One would hope so.
You know, people have ignored it.
They've kind of treated it a little bit as kind of like, you know, just this three-day event that takes place in Davos and, you know, it's the rich schmoozing and, you know, talking about how the world should be.
I think that, you know, it goes far beyond that.
It's not just thinking about how the world should be.
They are putting policy in place.
Yeah.
This is clear as day.
I think you're right.
I do hope my good friend Mr Toby Young listens to this, because he's still in the mode that he thinks it's a conspiracy theory, or if it's not a conspiracy theory, it's this kind of harmless event that takes place every year, and it's just a chalking shop, and it has no influence at all.
Yeah, right.
No, it's insane to think that.
I mean, like, you are I think my book at least shows that the World Economic Forum is pushing an agenda that is clearly happening right now.
This, you know, movement towards digital identity.
And I mean, you know, if you're looking at another organisation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is clearly a very important second best in the kind of like pyramid of power.
Everywhere you look, the Gates Foundation is involved.
I mean, whether it's with the Vaccine Alliance, GAVI, they're a huge part of that.
The World Health Organization, it's the biggest provider of funds during the first year of COVID-19 when Trump withdrew US funding, US government funding.
It's involved in a lot of the, ironically, a lot of the trials for potential off-patent medicines like ivermectin or like hydroxychloroquine.
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is financing those trials while holding enormous amounts of shares in pharmaceutical companies.
Yeah, you can buy a lot of sabotage in a trial with that kind of money, can't you?
Exactly.
I mean, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is even donating money to the medicine regulator in the United Kingdom, which is just absolutely incredible.
You know, it's for the benefit of the world, obviously, and for the benefit of British citizens, but these sort of things, you realize, you know, why does a British medical regulator, the organization that decides whether medicines are safe or not, Why is it receiving funds from the Gates Foundation?
A company that holds, if not holdings, in many of the companies whose drugs it's supposed to be regulating.
It's just a conflict of interest.
Everywhere you look, there are conflicts of interest.
Yes, yes.
It does sound deeply corrupt and worrying.
And in fact, conflicts of interest have become the business model.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's like we've reached this point where the idea, I mean, like any conflict of interest is immediately regulated to kind of like a conspiracy theory.
You know, if you uncover the enormous bank Paying off a regulator or whatever.
It's just a conspiracy theory to even think about it or talk about it.
Yet the father of modern economics, Adam Smith, once said, I'm going to read this because everybody should bear this in mind.
People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public.
Or in some contrivance to raise prices.
Now what he was talking about was cartels.
He was talking about companies in the same trade coming together.
What we have at the World Economic Forum is companies in all the whole world of trade coming together with the governments of the world and with the regulators of the world and talking about where the world should be heading.
And yet we're told it's a conspiracy theory.
So yeah, they're conspiring.
Obviously.
In plain sight, indeed.
I mean, they've got websites and videos telling us this stuff.
And yet, if you point this out, as you say, you are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.
Yes.
In every sense.
So, before we close, now you've depressed us enormously.
Apart from buying your book, tell us the book and the title again and where people can get it, first of all.
OK.
The name of the book, Scanned, and the subtitle is Why Vaccine Passports and Digital IDs Will Mean the End of Privacy and Personal Freedom.
I finally learned it by heart, so I can now say it.
And it's available from all good bookshops and online retailers, presumably?
Exactly.
It's available from the publishers themselves, which is the publisher is Chelsea Green, which you can visit at ChelseaGreen.com.
And it's available from all good bookshops, like you said, as well as Amazon.
And you mentioned you do a blog.
Tell us where people can read your blog.
Okay.
The blog I'm writing for is a left-of-centre blog in the United States that focuses on economics and finance more than anything, and it's called NakedCapitalism.com.
Left-right, I think these are false paradigms anyway.
I think whoever is fighting the cabal, the World Economic Forum, is a good guy as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I mean, I think that, I mean, Naked Capitalism is a very interesting website.
It's certainly not anti-vaccine, but it's very much, and I mean, I hate to be thought of, I mean, myself to be thought of as anti-vaccine.
I mean, I am Somebody who chose not to take this vaccine, and I have serious concerns about how the vaccines are being used to radically restructure society.
I mean, if somebody wants to take the vaccine, I have no issue with that at all.
Everybody should have the freedom to choose what they want to do.
I mean, it's bodily autonomy.
As long as you've given informed consent, Hang on a second, Nick.
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm just going to pin you down there.
People are not giving informed consent because they haven't been informed.
They are not.
You are right.
You are right indeed.
I mean, I have an issue with the way the vaccine passports are being exploited.
And I agree with you.
I mean, in my book I talk about I talk about informed consent.
And if you are mandating vaccines, if you are coercing people to take vaccines using vaccine passport systems, then you don't have anything like informed consent.
And I would agree with you that most people are not informed about what these vaccines represent.
And I think that the fact that So much of the information about the trials is still under lock and key.
75 years, the FDA has decided.
75 years, the FDA.
The FDA has tried to, I mean, yeah, 75 years is what they want.
They want to release this data drip by drip.
When we're all dead.
Over 75 years, by the time we're all dead.
It seems like, it's interesting this, It does seem that they will not get their way.
I may be wrong.
A judge in the United States has ruled that they have to release it over the next eight months, all of this data.
And it's interesting that since that ruling, Pfizer's shares have lost around about 20% of their value.
And Moderna's, Moderna's are just kind of in free fall.
They've tanked.
Yeah, it's fantastic.
But not before their CEO has unloaded his stock, which is great.
That is also true.
Yes, that is also true.
But I mean, hopefully, hopefully in the next few months, we are going to begin to find out more about what You know, the safety of these vaccines.
Hopefully that will begin to come out.
Spoiler alert!
In Europe right now!
What was that?
Spoiler alert!
We're going to discover that they're not safe.
Nick, I wanted to ask you before we... So, what do we do to avert this looming horror that you describe in your book?
I mean, I think that, number one, besides buying my book, I think number one is to talk about this.
It's not to be ashamed.
It's not to be worried that people are going to paint you as a conspiracy theorist or whatever.
I think what is at stake is so great that we need to have conversations.
If we can't have those conversations in the media, in the mainstream media, then we have to have those conversations in social media.
interactions with people both in Spain and the UK and in Mexico and other places, I am noticing that people are beginning to think a little bit differently.
I'm not sure if it's enough, but I think that because so many people have realised that the vaccines do not protect them from catching this thing, so many people have caught it, I think that there is a greater openness to criticism of these vaccines and the vaccine passports.
So I think that we're going through an interesting shift.
It's a window of opportunity, and I think it's a very brief window of opportunity.
So number one has to be discussion, sharing ideas.
And not being worried about kind of being treated as a madman or a mad woman.
Because what is at stake is so great.
I think, secondly, use cash.
Use cash as much as you can.
Like your life depends on it.
Because it does.
Like your life depends on it.
One of the first things that governments did, and media did, When COVID began was to discourage people from using cash.
Yes!
And we are, the World Health Organization kind of like released this statement saying, you know, we fear that cash may be an important conduit for the vaccine.
Don't use cash.
They never said don't use cash.
They just made that statement.
And the enemies of cash, and seized on it as they magnified this message.
I'm fascinated by this.
Did you, did you have any, did you find any evidence of the coordination of this?
Because like, okay, so I go to, on holiday, to Salkham every year and Salkham was what I would call bedwetter central in terms of its implementation of every kind of safety Nazi policy going.
And I remember going to the bakery and feeling like I was really edgy and dangerous paying in cash because they didn't want you to do it.
They really didn't.
A lot of stores, a lot of retailers were persuaded that cash was dangerous.
Now, where did they get this bloody idea?
How come they were all moving in lockstep?
Was it the WHO or were the trade consumer organizations or what?
It's a good question.
I mean, I've not been able to pin down whether this was coordinated, but would certainly, I mean, there was, there was already a war on cash.
I mean, that had, that is coordinated before Covid-19.
By ID27 for what?
No, I mean, like, there's an organisation called the Better Than Cash Alliance.
Which receives funding from the Gates Foundation, obviously.
Does it really?
Yes, yes.
You'd be shocked to hear.
The banks have been fighting against cash for well over a decade.
You've got, to a certain extent, central banks are in this weird place where they say that, you know, they are protecting cash and that they don't want to They don't want everybody to stop using cash etc etc but at the same time they are rolling out these central bank digital currencies which are going to be the replacement of cash.
So if you are the Bank of England you cannot say we are trying to kill cash because the Bank of England is actually supposed to be, one of its jobs is to I'm not sure if it's the Bank of England or if it's the Royal Mint is to produce cash.
But I mean, basically, I've been writing about this for the last five or six years.
The war on cash has been enormous and it's been pretty effective, but it depends which country you're in.
So the UK is much more cashless than Spain.
I know quite a few people in the UK who just, you know, they said to me they've not used cash since Covid and they're very happy with that.
In Europe it's in the top five countries in terms of, you know, how far it is down the path of being completely cashless.
I think that Spain has Quite a much larger use of cash.
And I didn't find... I was using cash a lot during the lockdown.
I didn't find that kind of hostility, but I was hearing from people in the UK that they were being told not to use cash.
Some shops were even saying, you know, we don't accept cash.
That hasn't happened in Spain.
As far as I'm aware, I've not seen any shop saying that we don't take cash.
And so, yeah, I think it's a country by country scenario.
If you want to do anything that's quite easy, to at least annoy or piss off the people who want to take away all your rights, then certainly using cash is one way of doing it.
Catherine Austin Fitz, she's a really interesting lady who used to work... I don't know if you've spoken to her?
She and some other people, you know, they organized this or they promoted this idea of Cash Friday.
So yeah, instead of telling people to use cash all the time, use it once a week.
Just take out a hundred pounds or a hundred euros or a hundred dollars and use it on a Friday.
And that sort of thing is, at the very least, what you're doing is you're rowing against the current.
And, you know, cash is One, because of the threat that central bank digital currencies, the threat they pose to our freedoms, it is essential that I think that we rediscover the importance of cash and the fact that it gives us this anonymity which I mean government hates, partly for good reason because you know a lot of people Avoid taxes or... Yeah, but whatever, I think it's noble.
I'm not going to go against governments, you know, they spend it on shit anyway.
All they're doing is spending it on prisons to imprison us in, so... I mean, I think that... I mean, another vital role of cash is that, you know, if you lend a friend of yours £20, Then you've just had a transaction that has not been traced, that does not have a middleman of any kind in between.
And again, that pisses off the banks enormously.
There was an interesting statement made a couple of days ago by the CEO of the third biggest bank in Spain, CaixaBank, who said that maybe we've gone a bit too far with our digital Kind of like digitalization of banking.
He said maybe we've gone too far because basically there's been a massive movement in Spain to among especially elderly people and vulnerable people to be able to access cash because they've closed down so many so many ATMs and there are a lot of branches in Spain that don't handle cash anymore.
You can't get cash in branch.
And there's been this kind of backlash and banks are having to actually listen to it.
So I mean, I think that there are, you know, again, that's a positive for me.
Yeah, and for me it's been the only sign of hope in this entire chat we've had.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Well, I don't think how challenging it is.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not completely, I've spoken to people in the last few weeks in interviews and they've said, you know, basically we've got no hope.
We should be preparing for Armageddon, etc, etc.
You know, we should be preparing for the, you know, total collapse of liberal democracy.
And I don't quite buy that.
I'm not... I've not lost complete hope.
I do think... I mean, what happened in Canada, on the one hand, you know, you could argue that it was extremely dark because, you know, we've seen use of incredibly draconian policies, and a large part of the Canadian population seems to have accepted that.
On the other hand, they've been forced to show their hand, and more and more people are beginning to realize, Jesus Christ, this is incredible.
We are seeing a government in a supposedly democratic, capitalist country, more or less do away with This idea of private property, you know, they are giving the banks the ability to take your money.
And if there's anything that has happened over the last six months that should terrify people, it is that possibility.
Because if there's another financial crisis, which is looking increasingly likely, then
The laws that now exist mean that banks can essentially take your money as a depositor and we've just seen in Canada a government take money or give banks the powers to take the money of their depositors with no due process and if
that happens to you, you have no means of claiming back your money through the courts of the land.
It's staggering.
I'm still kind of like recovering from seeing this happen.
And I'm hoping that, you know, if there's one thing that has happened in the last six months, people will begin to say, what the heck?
This could happen anywhere.
And in a A world with digital ID and a world with central bank digital currencies, it will happen everywhere all the time.
Yes.
You will have people suddenly lose access to their funds with no recourse.
I think, Nick, that is a good way of ending on that, because I think you're absolutely bang on.
That is the most shocking thing about what's going on in Canada right now.
Or, well, it's quite stiff competition, because I think trampling people with horses is also pretty bad, and also these... All those things are pretty bad.
They happen on quite a regular basis in protest these days.
But, yeah, I mean, like, giving banks the power to seize your money with no due protest.
That is new.
Yeah, I agree.
It's shocking.
Nick, thank you so much.
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Well, I don't like joy.
It's been depressing, but in a helpful way.
I'm sorry!
You go back to your... Go back to your mask world.
It's put me off going to sleep.
With pleasure!
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