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Nov. 17, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Welcome to the Jelling Pod with me, James Jelling.
	I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but actually, Michael Open this year is somebody that I've been yearning to have on.
	Actually, I've got a confession to make, Michael.
	I have done, I'm famous for doing absolutely subtle homework before any of my podcasts.
	And I was going to, I was going to, you know, read up about your background.
	Today, it's a Sunday, and I was just, I'd been to walk the dog with the wife and we were just settling down, we were having some salad for lunch, some grated carrots.
	And suddenly the phone rang.
	And it was, you're supposed to be at our place for lunch.
	These people down the road had invited us for lunch and we'd completely forgotten about it.
	So I instantly spat out all my salad and we just had to sort of shove everything off and we rushed off to this lunch.
	It was a really nice lunch, actually, you know, with social, you know, people talking and stuff.
	It was nice.
	But what it means is that the only thing I've really got to go on is I love the podcast you did with Mark Devlin.
	And I picked up some fascinating stuff that you're going to repeat on this podcast.
	I know that you're a former stand-up comedian.
	Do you still do stand-up?
	Unfortunately, no, I haven't done it for a number of years.
	It's probably my last gig must have been around about 2009, 2010.
	And I actually never went back to it.
	I did a few comparing gigs and I enjoyed myself, but it was nothing like the time that I had on the circuit from 91 to 92, where I was fortunate enough to do gigs with some of the best comics.
	Who've ever stood on a stage and tried to make a room full of strangers laugh.
	But the reason why I decided that I wouldn't go back to it until perhaps the right moment was because it had already, when I left it, it had become so politically correct that all real comedy had been squeezed out of the profession and all you get He's basically in comedy clubs and on comedy TV now is pretty much politically correct.
	Virtue Signals.
	Yes.
	And it's tedious to watch.
	You're absolutely right.
	Were you, were you funny?
	According to the audiences who pissed themselves laughing, yes, I was.
	I enjoyed myself.
	I'll tell you what happened.
	So I left my drama degree at Leicester Poly in the summer of 91, and the stand-up comedy show that I did with my best mate Guy Porritt, who went on to become a professional actor, that headlined the degree ceremony, and we brought the house down.
	One week later, After the end of the course, I did my first professional gig at Cheeky Chappie's Comedy Cafe in Newcastle, run by a guy called Dave Johns, who went on to be in that brilliant Kent Lord's film, I, Daniel Blake.
	He gave me my first booking.
	On that bill was a great Geordie comic called Richard Morton.
	Richard Morton saw my act and said, with an act that good, you've got to come down to the London circuit.
	And I'll tip the wink to some great promoters.
	And three months later, I was doing gigs with people like Lee Evans, Bill Bailey, when he was in a double act called The Rubber Bishops.
	I ended up doing a gig with Eddie Izzard and I played with all of the top comics on the circuit at the time and it got to the point where I'd been on the circuit and established myself and there'd been a review in an old stand-up magazine called The Heckler where myself, Rona Cameron, And Ian Stone had all been earmarked as ones to watch for the future.
	And then a great promoter who happened to be the manager of Eddie Izzard called Pete Harris.
	He ran some clubs called Screaming Blue Murder and he saw me do a free spot and loved what I did so much he booked me at all his gigs and told promoters who'd never seen me that I was worth booking.
	So within three months I'd established myself on the circuit to such a degree that one comic who'd been Going for several years and never managed to get the gigs at the venues that were booking me said, how the hell have you done it?
	Because as far as I can see, the only way to describe it is you must be the Zelig of stand up comedy.
	And if you've seen the film Zelig, the Woody Allen film, you know what I mean.
	Where he where he pops up in all sorts of moments in history.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	You mentioned Bill Bailey, which got me thinking.
	You don't look exactly like Bill Bailey, but you look more like him than, say, Eddie Izzard does.
	Bill Bailey, I watched that series Black Books and I thought he was very funny and he has a very engaging persona when he presents these, you know, these shows that these licensed comedians get on the BBC and Channel 4.
	I mean, you know, if you're accepted onto the Into the inner sanctum of accepted comics, you know, the world's your lobster, isn't it?
	But there is a jarring contrast, in my view, between the persona of Bill Bailey, the likeable, easygoing whatever, and the woke twat that he seems to have revealed himself to be in his tweets and so on.
	Tell me about that.
	Can you explain that?
	Is it is it because there comes a point in the life of every stand up comic where he has to make a choice?
	Either I carry on doing what I'm doing and and and remain in relative obscurity or I sell my soul.
	I go completely woke and and suddenly I'm given, you know, I'm given all the all the free things of the world.
	You know, the world is my oyster.
	Is that how it works?
	It's a very good question, James, and it's not an easy one to answer.
	And the reason is, is because there's not a straightforward answer to it.
	But the good news is you identified the key components in any Comics repertoire, and that is comic persona.
	The truth is that you probably don't know this, but I spent a number of years in London, during which time for around about five years, I taught stand-up comedy in workshops, which were described by Malcolm Hay, the comedy editor at Time Out as by far the best And most praised of all the stand-up workshops that have ever been run.
	And as a result, numerous professional comics graduated from that course and went on to have successful careers.
	And one of them veered off into journalism and is now presenting on GB News.
	I'm sure you probably know Mark Dolan.
	Yes.
	Yeah, he did.
	And Josie Long, she started on my course when she was 14 years old, a schoolgirl from Bromley.
	And two years later, she won the BBC New Act of the Year, which was screened on BBC One, hosted by Bob Monkhouse on a Saturday night.
	But tell me about the persona thing, because that sounds really interesting, because I've noticed this.
	For example, the comic who just died, who was that?
	Sean Locke.
	I thought he had the most wonderful persona and it's almost like these people don't need to be funny or rather being funny and having good jokes is secondary to their kind of the ease.
	Is that right?
	Yes, basically the reason I'm telling you that is just so you know a couple of famous people who did my course easily testified to it that I'm not making it up because it's very easy to check.
	It's also on Josie Long's Wikipedia page that she did my course when my professional name was Michael Knighton, but that's a different story.
	However, the one thing that I used to teach above everything else is that despite what most people think, stand-up comedy is 90% comic persona, 5% material and 5% the bollocks to get up and do it in the first place.
	Yeah.
	And anyone who tells you it's all about material doesn't know what they're talking about.
	The truth is you can get up on stage with the best piece of material in the world, deliver it to a room full of strangers, and they will deliver silence.
	If they don't get it.
	It's a fact that every comic, no matter how great the material, always dies on their own want, or dies on their arse at least once, but most of the time it's a lot more than that.
	And at the same time, it's also true that the comics with the greatest comic personas They know that the secret of comedy is accepting that until you make an audience like you, they're not going to laugh at you.
	Now, if they love you when you walk onto the stage before you've even opened your mouth or even grabbed the microphone, that's what sets apart the great comics from the good.
	Because it's something that you teach.
	Yes, I totally see that.
	I totally see that.
	But of course that then leads us to the question, if your persona is the most important thing, and let's say it's 90% or even just 80% of your success, why then do we, why is why then do we, why is every successful comedian that one sees promoted by the BBC and Channel 4, they are all achingly woke, aren't they?
	There's nobody who slips through the net who is not.
	I mean, even the ones who claim to be conservative, they're kind of Conservative light and they're and they're only tolerated to show a hint of hint of diversity.
	But look at that.
	We okay.
	Let's look at Frankie Boyle Frankie Boyle.
	I kind of use this used to respect because he would go low.
	He would go really know he'd make jokes about Jordan's disabled child whatever and you know, although it was cruel.
	It was also like here is somebody who's not afraid to be.
	To push, push the boundaries.
	And then there came a point where he suddenly started.
	He suddenly started policing himself, policing his own jokes and questioning his own humor.
	He must have reached that crossroads where he was either going to remain in relative obscurity or he was going to get his own show on wherever he does his shows.
	Now, I don't watch him.
	So what are you asking?
	What I'm asking is, I don't know what I'm asking, really.
	I was asking you to really elaborate on, yeah, just what is it, what is it that do, yeah, do comics, are they all naturally, instinctively leftards?
	Or is it a conscious decision they make in order to get on?
	Very good question.
	Okay, so again, I have to draw an analogy from my own experience.
	So bear in mind, this is 91-92.
	My opening line.
	was a gag at the end of a dance where I was dressed up in physical exercise clothes with a tennis racket and a big packet of sanitary towels in my hand, humming to the simplicity music and doing a dance on the stage.
	Now, it never happened very often, but when that didn't go down very well, and it went down well most of the time, mind, it really did, before I'd even gotten to the mic, because the way I did it was what made people laugh.
	But it was right, it was at the height of that simplicity, sanitary towel advert that was telling everyone to take everything in their stride.
	And I was just simply pointing out that if you gave me a huge pot of cash, I'd tell anyone to tell, I'd tell anyone that if they put A silent retell in their plans to be able to take everything in their stride.
	That's pretty much all the basics of the joke were.
	And on one particular occasion, when it didn't go down very well, it didn't go down very well because a woman in the front row, who would be described as extremely woke now, got up and said, you have no right to make jokes about a woman's body!
	And I said, I'm not.
	I'm making jokes about people exploiting what happens to a woman's body and pretending it's for their own good instead of their own profit.
	And of course, she didn't have an answer to it.
	And I got a round of applause.
	But, you know, it's that.
	But also that was a one off.
	The funniness of the show had gone at that point because you'd suddenly entered the domain of seriousness.
	This is it, this is it.
	Even though heckles are a gift to any experienced comic, you can always turn them to your advantage, even if the heckler gets a laugh.
	When you get confronted morally, it takes you out of your persona.
	You shouldn't be confronted morally when you're on a stage simply trying to make a room full of strangers laugh, to feel better about their life, about the day, about the shit in the world, just to forget About it with a room full of strangers and collectively laugh it all away.
	And for someone to take you seriously and accuse you of moral bankruptcy when you're just trying to make people happy, it's about as messed up as you can get.
	But it's endemic now, as I said.
	Yeah.
	But I also just let you know there was a comic at the time who was one of my comic heroes called Jerry Savitz.
	Jerry Savitz was so internationally renowned as being a brilliant, politically incorrect comic.
	That he headlined the Montreal Comedy Festival.
	Now, I was lucky enough to do a few gigs with him and he told me this story himself.
	He walked out onto the stage and he said something which has become quite legendary.
	Evening moosefuckers to a room full of Canadians.
	Now, half the room erupted into spontaneous laughter and applause and the other half was silent.
	And a guy got up from a few rows back, got up onto the stage and hit him.
	And it was never the same for Jerry.
	He couldn't see comedy in the same way.
	He was so badly affected by what had happened.
	It's one of the saddest things that I ever saw happen at any comic because he was utterly brilliant, devastating.
	I saw him live.
	He's one of the few comics, if not the only comic I ever paid to see live.
	And he just packed it in and went back to close and magic tricks, which he used to do with the comedy.
	So it's a very difficult thing because it's not you up there, it's your persona, but when someone attacks you, as opposed to just appreciating your sense of humour, which is ultimately what the comic persona is, it's just your sense of humour projected at an audience.
	And it's also a myth that audiences laugh at stuff that's collectively known or recognised as funny.
	The truth is, the best stand-up comedy is when any stand-up comedian gets on a stage and celebrates what they think is funny.
	You have to write what you would laugh at if you were sitting in an audience.
	And to answer your question in a very long roundabout way, where it's gone is that there is only The politically correct virtue signaling that's allowed now.
	So in other words, it wasn't a choice that the comics made to be leftist and woke.
	They felt like they didn't have a choice if they wanted to work.
	And those of us who just couldn't do it because it was anathema to us, turned our backs and did something else.
	It's a bit like the jab, isn't it?
	That there are those who say, look, I can't that it I would love not to take this experimental gene therapy that's being forced on me by the state.
	Um, but I've got no option, because if I want to carry on with my job, I've got to do it.
	And then there are those of us who are saying, actually, no, there are higher principles at stake here.
	This is the beginning of the end.
	This is the beginning of, well, it's the middle of the the biofascist, biomedical, biomedical, biosecurity state.
	You know, if you don't resist here, it's going to get much, much worse.
	But It is a kind of moral choice these comedians make in a way, isn't it?
	Some of them.
	I mean, OK, some of them are naturally woke, but others have essentially sold their soul in order to carry on with their career.
	I mean, I would definitely put What's-His-Face in that category.
	The Scottish comedian I just mentioned, the Glaswegian one, Frankie Boyle.
	Would you not say?
	Yes, I stopped watching him and reading him for that very reason.
	He did used to make me laugh out loud and, you know, there aren't that many comics who've made me laugh, you know, belly laugh out loud over the years as loudly as I did when I heard some of his gags on a few programs, Wrestle Home, doing his stand-up and, you know, one of those panel games.
	But generally, I must admit, I thought he was I thought he was a less sophisticated version of Jerry Sadovitz.
	You know, he was politically incorrect, but it was it was the coarseness of it, which was it took the edge off any cleverness that might have existed in the lines.
	And when he went the way it went, the leftist way that he did, to be honest with you, I just turned me back completely because I just can't listen to that.
	No, I can't.
	I think what we're describing here is a microcosm of what is happening, what has happened culturally, throughout the world, throughout Western culture, certainly, and what's accelerated in the last 18 months.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You've probably been down the rabbit hole a lot longer than I have.
	It's been a very very steep learning curve as I keep saying for me particularly the last I'd say the last nine months of my of my my life.
	I've completely my my the scales have fallen from my eyes and I understand the world so much better and I see now that what has happened in comedy has also happened to let's say well the entirety of the BBC.
	Be it it's news or it's drama or it's comedy or whatever that's happened to Hollywood, that's happened to institutions, be it the National Trust or the Royal Shakespeare Company.
	Every institute, every institution in the world has been suborned by, partly by woke culture, but partly by
	What you and I recognize as the forces that run, that really won the world, you might call them the powers that be, that there are higher entities which are hell-bent, and I use that phrase quite deliberately, on destroying everything of value in our culture, everything that we hold dear, because they despise us.
	And this process of attrition has been going on for decades, if not centuries, But now we are really witnessing it in Excelsis.
	It's just accelerated.
	It's intensified.
	Would you agree with that?
	One hundred percent.
	And it can also be described, this cult, this Babylonian nefarious cult of evildoers.
	It does have a name.
	Name is the Sabbatean Frankists.
	The Sabbatean Frankists were founded by Sabbate Zivi in 1666.
	Sabbate Zivi was a man who proclaimed that he was the foretold Jewish messiah, only that his reign over the Jews, as he described, was entirely predicated on his conviction and that of his disciples, that the purpose of his life was to bring about an inversion of good and evil.
	In other words, to turn evil into good and good into evil, so that no one can tell the difference anymore.
	And in his mad ramblings, he dictated that everybody must follow this creed, to use deception or inversion against all their enemies, and all of their enemies constituted everybody who wasn't in the cult.
	Now, the reason I know this is because prior to 1981, there was an awful lot of material around about on this subject, because it links directly to the Rothschild cartel, because there is much evidence around to say that the Rothschilds are the same bloodline as Saboteur Zivvy and another man who lived in the 18th century called Jacob Frank in Frankfurt.
	Now, Jacob Frank in Frankfurt was one of the three people, along with Amschel Rothschild and Adam Weishaupt.
	They founded the Bavarian Illuminati around about 1770.
	Now, when this happened, it was a complete secret.
	And what they did was they created a pact, and the pact was that they would take control of every surviving royal bloodline and every one of the major religions, and they would take control from within in order to subvert it according to Sabatier-Zivy's doctrine.
	And to hide Sabatier-Zivy, they started calling it Frankism, and that's what it became known as.
	And then it developed into the Frankfurt School.
	What did the Frankfurt School invent?
	Every leftist ideology, every rightist ideology, and they created the false left-right paradigm.
	Because the truth is, fascism and communism are virtually identical.
	Virtually identical.
	But they have one thing above all others in common, and that is that the bankers' power remains in place, but is used more aggressively.
	That's the major difference.
	Planned economy, complete control of everyone's lives.
	That's interesting.
	I think you're the only second person I've heard mention Sabbatean Frankism and I seem to remember googling Frankism and very little turns up.
	It's like presumably this stuff has been taken taken down or or whatever you say it's this started in 1666.
	Which presumably these people are into Gematria, aren't they?
	They're obsessed with numbers and presumably that 666 at the end of that year was not uncoincidental.
	So, given that earlier you used the term Babylonian, So obviously this stuff goes back a lot further than that.
	What was it that in 1666, apart from the kind of the handy satanic year, what was it that made this guy start doing this thing then?
	Where did he get his ideas from?
	Well, this is why I mentioned Babylon, because prior to the Sabbatean Frankists, there was a cult of a similar nature that was dedicated to the preservation of the bones of Nimrod.
	Now, do you know who Nimrod is?
	The best source would be Eustace Mullins.
	Eustace Mullins is one of the greatest researchers who ever lived.
	He died a few years ago in his, I believe he was in his early 90s, and he was poisoned to death.
	He came out and said it, he knew that he'd been poisoned, he predicted, I'm going to die, it's going to get worse, they've done it, but I just wanted to get these things out.
	And one of the things that he wanted to get out was that Of all the books that he'd written, he'd written several books on the Rothschilds, on the banking system, about the truth, about how the Rothschilds created all of the empire of ill-gotten gains by placing all of the great families with Rothschild wealth and support in America right at the beginning of, you know, the burgeoning colonies in order to take control from the beginning of the banking system.
	Now, Mullins was one of only two scholars who were picked out from his generation to be given access to the secret libraries of the Library of Congress.
	Now, within those libraries is all of the information, a lot of which has been leaked onto the internet.
	But the first man to expose stuff that hadn't even been declassified by the CIA, but went on to be, was Eustace Mullins.
	And many of the things that I've said in my work are echoes of what Eustace Mullins showed people many, many years ago.
	And one of the things he said was, if you read one book that I wrote, read The Curse of Canaan, because it takes you back to the time of Nimrod, and it shows you that the Curse of Canaan which followed Nimrod's execution was that his descendants, who are the Sabotean Frankists, would use all forms of deception, as I just told you about, would use all forms of deception to destroy and enslave all enemies.
	And they considered everybody except them to be their enemies.
	That's interesting.
	I mean, I, I don't, I haven't spent nearly as much time as you obviously been doing a lot of reading.
	Yeah.
	I mean, when did you, when did you start getting into this stuff?
	Not when you're a comedian.
	Okay, so your audience also has to understand that my career took a very sharp turn, through my own volition.
	Yes, let's go there.
	Give us the next stage of your biography, because that's good.
	Tell us what happened.
	I leave the circuit to become a playwright.
	And I got a job in a crappy alternative Christmas show at the Becknam Studio in Kent.
	And that's why I ended up teaching stand-up comedy two or three times a week.
	And I also ended up meeting some fellow actors.
	And we started a theatre company called Screaming Skull Theatre Company.
	And we booked the theatre to perform it for a week.
	And I hadn't even started writing the play yet.
	So I wrote it, we workshopped it, and I wrote it in Not very long at all, in less than three weeks, and we put it on.
	And against all the odds, it was a fringe hit and had great reviews.
	Six weeks later, I'd written my second one, Night Lights.
	Time Out called it a skillful light satire.
	It was about a late night radio talk show host who had delusions of grandeur, shall we say.
	And from that point onwards, it was literally within just a few months of me Taking my bow as a playwright.
	And it was just on the fringe, but the plays were selling out every night and theatres were getting in touch saying, oh, you know, can you come and put the play on with us?
	And we did.
	And we ended up playing at the Brixton Short of a packed house on Valentine's Day when almost the entire cast of Soldier, Soldier came to see it.
	And they're all saying, It's just fantastic.
	We're so jealous of all the actors in it.
	And at this point, I thought, well, things seem to be going very well.
	But what I really wanted to do was make films.
	And lo and behold, I get offered, made an offer, the first offer that I couldn't refuse, which was made by an independent guerrilla filmmaking company called Kinoi, who asked me if I wanted to develop The Truth Game.
	That was the first play into a screenplay.
	And I bit the hands off.
	It goes without saying.
	And what this led to, was a baptism of fire in the industry, but after initially failing over 18 months to get the Truth Game made into a film, I'd been to my first Cannes, I'd been to the MTV party in a borrowed tux, you know, where we drank the bar dry, we gatecrashed every event, We got meetings with all the big distributors in the penthouse suites at the Carlton Hotel, etc.
	So in other words, James, I learned how to blag my way into anywhere when I didn't have a right to be there, much like when I was on the stand-up comedy circuit.
	And what this resulted in was I ended up I met my first wife and she insisted I go on probably the best teacher's course I've ever been on, or I even know about.
	A guy called Dov SS Simmons does the best film course in the world.
	It's a two-day film school.
	And I did that.
	In November 97, I met the guy I made my first film with, a short film called Roadkill.
	The following year, we made it on 35mm with a professional cast and crew.
	We were the only ones who didn't get paid.
	15 minute black comedy about two hillbilly brothers in the Welsh mountains, both obsessed with the same woman, went down a storm.
	It was one of the most distributed films of the year.
	It was on Sky Movie Max twice because it came runner up and the sky cut short.
	Short film competition.
	It was reviewed and told the film was being hilarious and beautifully shot, so we were all set.
	We needed a feature, so I wrote a screenplay for my first feature Nefarious.
	Within just a... it's relatively short in development, in terms of a couple of years, we had a cast that included Douglas Henshaw, who I was also great friends with, Kim Bodnia, the huge Scandinavian star, when he was just famous in Scandinavia, Christopher Warren was attached, Lindsay Duncan, Joanne, Wally Kilmer, even Howard Marks was going to play a cameo.
	And that we took it to every single company that was financing film in London, dozens and dozens.
	Every company would get excited about the script, excited about Roadkill or Short, excited about the cast.
	And when it came to a decision on whether they would give us money, it was always no.
	And the only honest people that we ever discussed it with told us the truth.
	The reason that they wouldn't finance anything to do with me was because, in their words, Scousers and Geordies never play the game.
	So they don't even consider doing business with us.
	The game they were referring to It's the political correctness game.
	It's the game of turning a blind eye to corruption.
	It's the game of not saying anything that's going to upset the man.
	It's the game of never doing anything other than what they want you to do to guarantee that their income or their profits are maximised and you remain a good little boy.
	What about the boys from Black Stuff?
	Wasn't that done by Geordie's?
	Scousers.
	Oh, what's that?
	Sorry.
	Scousers.
	Yeah.
	Scousers.
	Yeah.
	So what is it when there's a profit?
	When there's a profit in it, James, they'll exploit it.
	Nothing changed.
	The deprivation in Liverpool didn't change because of the black boys from the black stuff, and it should have done.
	The unemployment didn't change.
	The welfare system just expanded.
	That's what happened.
	They destroyed every single working class community in the 80s when they destroyed all of the industries that were supposed to be working class jobs for life.
	I saw it happen.
	I've come from generation after generation.
	What I mean is, can there really be that blanket rule against Geordies and Scousers?
	Because I'm sure there must be exceptions.
	Scousers or Geordies who've done well, who've got the financing.
	Every single Geordie and Scouser who's ever done well will tell you the same thing.
	If you don't sell your soul, you haven't got a hope in hell.
	You haven't.
	And I tell you, I mean, I know this from first-hand experience, because I got blacklisted by the UK Film Council and the BBC.
	And the reason I got blacklisted is because I was placed on the MI5 watch list three days after 9-11.
	Want me to talk about that?
	Yes.
	Tell me about that.
	Because I'm here.
	You know what I'm thinking, Michael?
	I'm thinking that maybe unbeknownst to myself, I've been on some kind of blacklist because I've always been held back.
	Maybe, you know, I'm not a Geordie or a Scouser, but maybe they just don't like the cut of my jib either.
	Maybe they can spot.
	That's what I'm saying, James.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It's not just Geordies and Scousers.
	It's just at that time in the late 90s, More often than not, juries and scousers would refuse to play the game in their words.
	And the guy who told me that was, he just left his position as second in command of the Film Council Premier Fund, and the head of the Premier Fund, very famous and successful producer called Robert Jones,
	The producer of The Usual Suspect, and he took a great interest in Nefarious, and he led us down the line so far that we got to a point where we were waiting for one phone call, and if he said yes on the end of the line, and we had film council funding, that great cast with Christopher Walken, Dougie Henshaw, etc, and a fantastic crew was lined up to make it, and he said no.
	And when he was chased for a reason, he wouldn't give it.
	And his assistant did give it after he left the Film Council, because I asked him.
	And he said, it's because Geordies and Scousers never play the game.
	So we don't even consider doing business with them.
	I said, but it can't be that simple, though.
	It's not just Geordies and Scousers, because my partner was French.
	I said, what about French?
	French Brookes.
	And he said, it's anybody who doesn't play the game.
	And so that's why you got blacklisted.
	You said the things you're not supposed to say.
	That's true.
	I so have.
	Do you know what?
	I'm convinced that's why I lost my column on The Spectator.
	Because I don't think that it just didn't feel right.
	I think that somebody had had a word that I just was saying the wrong things.
	And I wasn't even aware of it.
	I thought I was just a bloody good A really good columnist, you know.
	I'd mastered the thousand word column, which I have.
	And then suddenly I found myself being sacked from it and I could never... I really... I was mystified.
	But anyway, tell me the story about your 9-11 thing and your CIA... sorry, your blacklist, whatever it was.
	Okay, so...
	The way my career developed was I was commissioned to write a TV drama series called Geordie Boys about three generations of Newcastle fans from 55 until the present day, based on my own family.
	And it was a private commission, but the producers pitched it to the BBC, with whom they'd worked on a very successful series or feature called Gentleman's Relish with Billy Connolly and Douglas Henshaw.
	And they'd worked on other projects previous to that with the BBC.
	They'd always had everything that they pitched to them accepted.
	They were asked to produce other things with the BBC.
	And they took Geordie Boys to them.
	And we basically arranged a meeting, or they arranged a meeting that included me, at BBC Television Centre.
	And once we got through all of the draconian security, which they put in place straight after 9-11, Basically, we went up to the BBC canteen where we were to have an informal meeting with Peter Salmon, the former head of drama who is now head of sport.
	He came in, he said, I absolutely love this project.
	It's going to be event TV.
	I've put in a good word with the drama department.
	I think you should speak to BBC North East.
	This is event TV.
	Our friends in the North But with football instead of politics, etc.
	And they earmarked £1.75 million worth of production money to start making it.
	And it was just, let's let's carry on thrashing out the details of how it's all going to work.
	And of course, they did the standard MI5 background check on who the writer was, and they found out That from because this is happening in February-March time 2002 and the background check revealed that three days after 9-11 in 2001 I was placed on the blacklist because I went searching for someone to have a sensible conversation with on the internet.
	I ended up finding completely by chance an American woman Who was looking for exactly the same thing, or more specifically, she was looking for a writer to tell her story.
	And it turned out that she was the ex-wife of a man she described as Kissinger's right-hand man for the last 20 years at that point in 2001.
	And he had diplomatic immunity, he'd been a diplomat for decades, and he was also a very key Bilderberger.
	Now, she told me that the reason why she needed to tell her story was because, quite simply, in 1998, summer of 1998, she's at a dinner, or rather a lunch, which was a regular lunch with her friends on the East Coast.
	They were all billionaires' wives.
	And one of the billionaire's wives started waxing lyrical about a staged event that was being planned in New York.
	And when she elaborated further and others added into the conversation what they knew, it became obvious to this one, I'll call her Petra, but that's not her name, obviously.
	It became very obvious that it was serious.
	It wasn't some kind of sick joke.
	And when she objected, vehemently and said that this can't be true.
	And if it is, it needs to be exposed.
	She immediately became persona non grata, was cut off by everybody apart from her immediate family.
	And she came from moneyed aristocracy in Europe.
	She'd never had any kind of problems to deal with in her life.
	She thought she had an idyllic marriage.
	They had two kids over 10 years old at the time.
	And when her husband came back from a business trip, she told him what had happened and she was shocked at his reaction.
	And she told me that then she knew that he was almost certainly going to try and take her out because he didn't support her.
	He didn't empathise with her in the least.
	He simply said, whatever you do, never, ever do anything like that in terms of exposing that allegation.
	And when she demanded to know whether or not he had heard this as well, he refused to answer.
	So it's looking like it's divorce and he comes back to her and he says, OK, let's let's patch things up.
	I've booked a second honeymoon, like we always talked about.
	We're going to go to Africa and have that safari that we always wanted to.
	And she says, all right, I'll give you one last chance.
	He's going to have to go a long way to prove it.
	And cut a long story short, three days in, she's almost convinced it's true.
	He's been whining and dining her, treating her like he did at the beginning of their relationship.
	And they had a happy marriage before this as well, so it was very difficult for her.
	You know, their kids love their dad.
	But On the morning, the third or fourth morning, he got up very early and woke her and said he'd been called away for a breakfast meeting and he would meet her mid-morning and they would go somewhere nice out of town for lunch.
	And she basically didn't think anything of it, except it was just a bit unusual, but he'd done it before.
	Then she goes to the place where they'd agreed to meet the American Embassy in Nairobi.
	And at the time, He was due to arrive.
	She looked at the clock and she thought to herself, that's the first time he's ever been late for anything ever since the moment I met him.
	And that was when she knew she was in serious trouble.
	She woke up on the other side of the street.
	The embassy had been blown up.
	in a secret services operation involving the CIA, Mossad, MI5 and MI6.
	And the reason she knew this is because she was pulled out of the rubble and saved by a passing ex-SAS officer turned private mercenary who'd heard about the job, was offered it, turned it down, out of conscience, went there to see if he could pull out any survivors.
	And he pulled her out, took her to a hospital on the edge of town because it was chaos inside the city, and he nursed her back to health.
	Now, again, to cut a very, very long story short, everything that happened was being monitored by the CIA.
	So all that got sent straight back to her husband, including the information when she came back to health and she checked her mobile and she saw that there was nothing from her husband whatsoever.
	And she checked that he hadn't been killed as well.
	She knew that he'd set her up because they blamed the blowing up of the US embassy was the first one to be blamed on the first boogeyman of the fake war on terror bin Laden.
	And that's what the ex SAS guy told her.
	And he then also confessed.
	That he'd been offered the job of setting up 9-11 in New York, but when he found out that it was real people who were going to be killed, he pulled out of the job out of conscience again.
	But he risked his life in so doing.
	However, when she's telling me all of this is on an insecure mobile phone line across jurisdictions, it's costing us a fortune just to have these calls because they were so expensive at the time.
	And literally, they're bugging every single second of it.
	So what happened as a result?
	Yeah, exactly.
	So what happened?
	She went back to America.
	Her husband was waiting for her with her suitcases packed and the divorce papers already drawn up.
	She was the adulteress.
	He knew everything.
	And if she wanted custody of her kids, she just had to sign on the dotted line to be blamed for everything in a cover up of what really happened, which is exactly what happened.
	And the reason why they went to such extremes is because she threatened to go to the Washington Post.
	And the Washington Post happened to have an editor who was one of her close friends, and they needed to make sure that they cut her off from that life completely.
	And she wasn't able to ever contact anyone from the previous life.
	She was literally persona non grata.
	And the only thing she cared about by this point was that it was Her children and making sure they were safe and she came over to Europe and that's where we started having these conversations and she'd seen the SDS guy a couple of times because you know they had fallen in love and had an affair which was somewhat inevitable given the circumstances and he was told by one of his friends in MI6 that the guy she was telling everything to
	It was probably the one who knew more than him, and the only one who knew as much was her, that he had to be told, i.e.
	I had to be told, that there'd be a bullet through me brain, and hers if he continued talking, and that I was on permanent surveillance via Wi-Fi, and that I could watch me step.
	Now, this was the story I heard you tell on Mark Devlin's podcast, and I thought it was very compelling.
	I believe you because it accords with, for example, that famous interview that Aaron Russo, the film producer, gave to Alex Jones.
	Do you remember?
	He befriended one of the Rockefellers and that world you describe is very similar but I've got this telegram channel and I'd say about half the people sort of thought yeah this guy's an honest broker and about other half said yeah just bullshit like why did it have to be it would be an SAS wouldn't it guy who runs to the girl's rescue yeah why yeah this this guy's making it up I mean
	For me, I think people on our side of the argument are too paranoid, too willing to call everyone a shill or a controlled opposition or, you know, an enemy asset.
	But I wonder whether you want to address that at all.
	Well, you see, it's something that I've addressed numerous times down the years because I put my head above the parapet a long time ago, and we haven't even gotten to that part of the story.
	But let's just answer what you've said at this juncture.
	By saying that if I was in their position, I would be sceptical because I've often pinched myself during the course of my life because of the number, the sheer number of extraordinary events that have transpired.
	And I haven't even just revealed the tip of the iceberg.
	Are we about to get a climax of extraordinariness?
	Yes.
	Oh, cool.
	Stuff that I've never said before, a little bits and pieces that I have, but I've written all of this up on my blog.
	It's called The Chronicles, and it covers my entire life all the way up until the present day.
	And the first volume is all but completed, and it takes us up to the autumn of 2004.
	And you see, when I was told that I was blacklisted, as you know, I was a commissioned writer and the BBC had earmarked £1.7 million of production money.
	I can name the producers.
	All these people I'm naming, it's very easy to disprove if it's not true.
	So I put it all together because it only really makes sense As a whole story.
	And if you don't know, this part of my life, I have no hope of understanding that it's the truth.
	And the reason I have to tell the story is for that very bloody reason.
	Because all the things that I have to say about the current plight that we're in are urgent.
	It's urgent that people in the greatest number start listening and start acting.
	So they have to understand why it is that this Geordie lad It comes from a long line of miners that only end with my father.
	He was the first one not to go down the pit.
	I've never had any privilege in my life.
	I've worked and used my head to get everything that I needed to get in my life that I couldn't come by.
	By hard work and talent, because that's the truth, James.
	It doesn't matter that you mastered a thousand word piece of journalism because you put in in excess of 10,000 hours to do it and to manage to extrapolate and synthesize information in such a way that can be appealing and easy to understand to a large audience.
	Just because you did that, that doesn't mean that they can't blast you.
	Because what happened to me was that the BBC suddenly cancelled their interest, all of them, without explanation.
	No one could get any explanation.
	New head of drama, same thing happens.
	And then, of course, that happened with the Film Council as well for my first feature film Nefarious.
	So we decide, me and my partner Olivier, a great friend and a maverick like Me and you.
	So he basically, he says, look, why don't we look towards Europe?
	By that time, Kim Bodnia, who I was already friends with, was already committed to the project.
	And he said, speak to Kim, see what Kim says.
	So me and Kim started working together with the people he knew to raise some money to get our first film made.
	And in 2004, Cannes 2004, we ended up taking our first feature film, the first Unspeakably Wicked picture, as we called it, because our company was called Unspeakably Wicked Pictures.
	And we took it to Cannes and we didn't even have the money to pay for the marketing campaign when we got there.
	But we did such a job with the marketing campaign that we established ourselves as the hottest European sales and marketing company because we took a low budget Danish action comedy called The Good, starring Kim Bodnia, And we made it into the buzz title of the second week of the market in Cannes that year.
	We got invited to meetings with all the big distributors.
	We got invited to gatecrash a party at the Hotel de Cap, and no one does that.
	But we got invited to do it because they all wanted to know who the hell were these guys who come with this little Danish film and this Danish star and taking the market by storm.
	And they all said they couldn't remember anybody doing as well with any foreign language film, let alone a Danish film.
	And we got great offers of distribution from various distributors.
	And within six weeks, Maine Olivier had been offered that we were, along with our own films, in aggregate, we were producing eight films.
	All of which I was in charge of the budget of, in other words, composing the budget, doing the sales estimates, predicting how much it was going to make, how much it should be made for, who it would cast with, what script developments need to be made, and what the finance plan should be.
	Olivia was in charge of raising the finance, and we went to meetings together, and it all worked very, very well.
	And we got ourselves into a position where every in Europe and America is saying, so these UWP guys, they got eight films.
	And one of those films is a potential Oscar winner.
	So let's just focus on that.
	Just so people know, one of the things I'm uncredited for is that me and Olivier were both executive producers on a film called Bobby, written and directed by Emilio Esterbez.
	Now, when we were sent it just after Cannes, we were told that it was stuck in development hell, had been there for three years.
	And even someone as connected as Emilio Estevez couldn't get anyone to take his calls.
	No one wanted to touch the script.
	And it had Paul Newman already attached.
	That would have been enough on its own for me to jump at the fact.
	I've always loved Paul Newman.
	So I jumped at the chance.
	But the script was also excellent.
	So I told Emilio and I told everybody else that it was going to get nominated for three Oscars, it was going to make at least $120 million at the box office worldwide, which it did, and it would win those Oscars if he shaved 20 minutes off the running time.
	That was the last time we talked.
	It did make over $120 million and it did get nominated for Best Screenplay, Best Director and Best Film, but he didn't win them because the LA and New York critics agreed with me it was 20 minutes too long.
	What a shame.
	He would have won them.
	I'm uncredited for that.
	Olivier also got stripped of the 10% profits we would do and the 100 grand fees that we would do.
	And we were the ones who were credited with digging it out of development hell and getting it financed by the director himself.
	Now, I was in that position and we had other A-list films, one starring Ben Stiller, a comedy about the fashion industry called Tailor Made.
	We had a film called Pioneer Town that was starring Philip Seymour Hoffman.
	And we were in charge of directing the entire Plan to raise the finance for these films, along with four of our own films, eight in total.
	And I got called to a meeting.
	Olivia rang me, said, OK, there's a big, rich Dutchman who wants you to go for a meeting today.
	I can't make it today, but he lives in Amsterdam.
	This is where I moved to Amsterdam from London.
	And I went around on my bike to his house.
	It was a grand palatial terraced mansion near the Red Light District.
	And I went in and as soon as I got in there, I was taking off my coat and he took it and he hung it up.
	He said, you're not going to be pitching anything today.
	I wanted to talk to you about other things.
	So I sit down in the room.
	It's ceiling to floor, art deco, antiques, everything, you know, glittering in money.
	And he says to me, you're not going to be pitching anything today because I pay people to take meetings like that.
	And those people have told me that very soon you could have Bono-like status in the film industry.
	And I said, why do I sense there's a but?
	And I thought to myself, I've never been remotely interested in having Bono-like status or anybody else's status for that matter.
	Not like Bono.
	Who'd want to be boss?
	That would be the worst, wouldn't it?
	Imagine.
	Well, exactly.
	And this guy was responsible for Bono's career.
	He was responsible.
	So I knew he was talking from experience.
	He said that there was a time long ago in Chelsea when he was in the same position and he was asked the same question as me.
	And that was the budge.
	He said to me, there are 111 to 114, depending on the year.
	I know that sounds weird, but that's what he said.
	111 to 114 people in the world who control everything and everyone who is and isn't successful.
	OK, now, because of my conversations with the Bilderberg Insider and because of my own research into the Bilderberg Group, which I've been looking into since 1998, even before I met the Bilderberg Insider, I knew he was one of them.
	And he confessed.
	He says, well, I'm one of those people and I'm willing to give you my seal of approval.
	All of your films and TV series, anything you do will be guaranteed success.
	You'll win awards.
	You'll never be savaged in the press.
	And this will continue for the rest of your life.
	But I need to ask you one question before I do that.
	And he looked over the other side of the room to an oak door.
	And he said, if a door was open for you and you went inside and it was closed behind you, would you agree never to say anything about what you witness on the other side of the door when you come back through.
	And I said, I'll get me coat, because I wouldn't agree to do that for anyone.
	So this isn't going anywhere.
	And the look on his face, it was clear that this was someone who people just didn't say no to.
	And he was shocked.
	And he said, fair enough.
	I respect your decision.
	Six weeks later, we had a meeting booked with Allied Irish Bank, a Bilderberg bank, who would agree to cash flow a letter of credit we had from a Swiss bank called Hapolin, a double A Swiss bank, for nine and a half million from an Austrian film investor, well known, who wanted to finance Nefarious because his wife, Sybil Danning, had a big part in it.
	So he'd given us that letter of credit.
	Allied Irish had agreed to cash flow, nine and a half million dollars.
	We were all set to make it again, just like we were when the Film Council pulled out.
	And then what happens?
	Six weeks after that offer, I refused that I wasn't supposed to.
	Allied Irish Bank, the head of film, came on the phone in tears to a meeting with everybody involved and said, Michael, I don't know how to say this.
	This comes from above the board without a name.
	But we've been told that nobody in the British banking industry, and especially at Allied Irish Bank, is going to have anything to do with any project with your name attached in any respect.
	And I'm very sorry about that.
	Can I just pause you there?
	What do you think happens behind that wooden door in that room?
	Satanic, pedophilic, nefarious acts of the worst kind of depravity.
	Some of which, a microcosm of which, was exposed by Stanley Kubrick in Eyes Wide Shut.
	But the majority of it, you have to search the internet high and low to find the evidence.
	But when you do, it is truly horrifying.
	And that's what you're asked to turn your mind out to.
	Do you think what happened to you You know, that meeting with the guy, one of the 111 or 114.
	Do you think that's what happens to everyone, literally, before they're allowed to be majorly successful?
	Or do you think in some cases it's just, it's more subtle than that?
	Because that's quite unsubtle, isn't it, being offered that?
	Well, you say it's unsubtle, but they rely on no one ever believing you if you tell them, you see.
	They often do that.
	Yeah.
	But yes, Bob Dylan told his story as an allegory.
	He told the story of being out on the road in the middle of the desert, didn't he?
	In the middle of nowhere, when the devil came, dressed as an old man and gave him the contract to sign his soul for success.
	And he says he did it in his own words.
	You know, others have come out from the rap industry and said the same things.
	You know, there have been certain singers whose predominant attributes were to sell sex who've done the same thing.
	And there have been many people who are famous just for being famous who've come out and said, yes, I sold my soul to the devil just for my five minutes of fame.
	You can certainly see it in some careers, can't you?
	For example, Katy Perry.
	Katy Perry, there was a sudden turning point where she suddenly flipped.
	Or, I mean, Miley Cyrus.
	I don't know whether she was corrupted in the Disney phase of her, but she suddenly started twerking and becoming all sexualized.
	And all the things that the kind of the people who want to corrupt and debase our society would like to introduce into popular culture.
	So you can kind of see that, can't you?
	Yes, yes.
	What I wonder, I mean I'm a massive Led Zep fan, and we know about Jimmy Page and his preoccupations with diabolism and so on, but at what stage of their career would it have been Led Zep 1?
	Would it have preceded Led Zep 1?
	How does it work?
	I'm curious about this stuff.
	The level of organisation and micromanagement of the interlocking network of Bilderberg-like organisations that have been set up like by the Rothschild cartel over the, well, basically since the late 18th century, as we were talking about.
	And these interlocking networks that would include the Trilateral Commission that you already know about, the Council on Foreign Young Relations, you know, Chatham House, Havistock, Royal Institute of International Affairs, it goes on and on.
	They're all interlinked for a reason.
	They had to be in place to control every administrative and institutional decision in the world to control the nations and resources.
	And what they had to do also was guarantee that there'd be nobody like you or me who would have a stage where we could expose their crimes, their myriad of crimes to millions of people, would actually be appalled and would take us seriously because of all the other things that we've gotten right.
	So they knew that if they ever allowed me to have the audience that people were predicting for me.
	And if you bear in mind, I was also it got it got very close to me becoming Nationally famous.
	There was a period of time for three years where I was regularly recognised on the basis that the BBC, they made a little faux pas before I got blacklisted.
	I was cast nepotistically by a friend in a BBC infomercial where I played a wedding videoer who asked the bride and groom to do a second take because he's not convinced by their marriage yet.
	And he asked them to do it again.
	And Dom Jolly comes and taps me on the shoulder, hands me a part of BBC talent.
	Now, because of that screening before and after EastEnders for nearly four months, everywhere I went, I was recognised.
	I must admit, I didn't like it, but they saw this and they thought, hang on a minute, if millions of people aren't just seeing him in a two bit infomercial before EastEnders, if they suddenly see him in something else, And he's saying the kind of things that he says in ordinary conversations with his friends that we're listening to about the kind of films he's going to make with messages that are going to move hearts and minds and change this world so that people aren't getting shafted by the establishment anymore to wake them up in whatever way was necessary.
	They knew that was my intention, so they had to stop it.
	And that's why they stopped you as soon as they saw it was yours.
	Yeah, well I know you see the weird thing was I didn't even know it was my intention that they I think that they they I mean I'm going to sound like paranoid here but but I think that probably the powers that be whoever it was that influences these decisions saw the direction I was going in and found it unhelpful.
	I mean I don't I don't think my my my savaging of the the true objectives of the Green Movement exactly did me any Any help?
	But yeah, whatever.
	Why do you think that they haven't bumped you off?
	They tried in 2014, but I'll come to that.
	They tried before that as well.
	They tried to frame me as well for fraud and as an international coke smuggler.
	And I lived in Amsterdam.
	I'll tell you that's because it's funny.
	It's also dramatic.
	So basically, in 2004, me and my ex-wife, we drove to Copenhagen for the premiere of The Good Cop.
	And when we were driving near the Danish border, We hadn't seen any sign of life or light for a good 50 kilometers or something.
	And we were very relaxed, looking forward to the premiere, and all of a sudden, bright lights are shining through the windscreen.
	And my wife screams, oh my God, there's men with machine guns, they're going to kill us!
	And it was cops with machine guns and searchlights shining directly into the windscreen.
	And obviously, I slammed the anchors on, got out of the car.
	And I said, look, there's been a big mistake.
	Come and see what's in the boot.
	And you'll see it's a big mistake.
	And they came to see what was in the boot.
	And they had machine guns in my head while I led them there.
	And my hands were up.
	But I got to the boot and I showed them that I was who I said I was.
	And I said to them, There's been a mistake.
	Someone's tipped you off that I'm an international coke smuggler when I'm making a film about international coke smugglers starring Kim Bodnia, because Kim Bodnia was set to star in Nefarious as well as The Good Cop.
	And when the cops found out that I was working with Kim Bodnia, Obviously a big star in Denmark and Scandinavia.
	They virtually begged me not to tell Kim because they were so embarrassed and it was an obvious mistake.
	And the senior cop said to me, we're very sorry, but we got what is normally a regular tip off from the Dutch drug squad.
	And I said, well, I'm not surprised because they've clearly been tipped off by someone else.
	That I'm something that I'm not.
	And the reason I wasn't surprised that it happened is because the reason why we drove is because a few weeks before the premiere, I had a flight to Copenhagen and I was arrested by an undercover cop who tailed me through the airport and then tried to arrest me as a coke smuggler.
	And again, the same thing happened, showed him my briefcase and he had to let me go.
	And these kind of things just kept happening.
	And it got to the point where There was nothing left.
	I had to walk away from the life that I had.
	My marriage broke up, which was inevitable at that point, because no one would employ me.
	I couldn't make a living.
	You know, I couldn't provide.
	And I ended up doing a reggie parent, in effect.
	I left my clothes on the beach, but it wasn't on the south coast of England.
	It was on the south coast of Spain, where I ended up homeless.
	And I came back in the winter of 2006 with absolute nothing except the life that I knew that I had to walk away from.
	And you know what, James, despite having literally nothing, including nowhere to live, And virtually everybody turning their backs on me because in those situations, as you know yourself, you get the blame.
	It's somehow your fault for all of these things happening to you with such extreme prejudice.
	No one believes you until they see the evidence themselves.
	And there are so many people who witnessed what I'm telling you.
	That was never in question for me.
	Now, it got to the point where I decided that I was going to create my own means of production and distribution, that I would never go to anybody to ask permission or ask for money to make content, that I would produce only my own and put it out myself, which I did.
	And over a number of years, along with a great friend of mine, called Mike Lodera, who I met in 2009.
	He was the first guy to put his head above the parapet and allege that all UK mortgages were fraudulent, which of course they are, but that's a different story.
	We made together a film called The Great British Mortgage Swindle over nine years, which charts the story of us and other litigants in person, including the Crawford family and the Albert family, fighting on the front line Against courts that are rigged to protect the banksters from the consequences of their crimes.
	And that film is a five star hit on Amazon.
	It's one of the most highest rated British documentaries on there.
	And there are just as many shills on there telling you that it's all a load of rubbish and you shouldn't watch it as there are on all of my other platforms.
	But that, to be honest, is par for the course.
	So did you make some money out of that?
	No, we pretty much broke even.
	But we should have made a shitload more than we did.
	The reason for that is because like a lot of other UK distribution and international distribution companies, we were shafted by a company who Amazon recommended to collect the revenues.
	And they went bust a couple of years ago, just before COVID-19 started, they went bust.
	Owing over, I think it was over a hundred million.
	So it meant there was no point in even suing them for the lost revenue.
	But we asked Amazon, we put an inquiry in to estimate what they thought it was that we should have made.
	And they estimated that our losses were in the region of 170 grand.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	So I've just been asked whether I want tea and I do want tea, don't I, Michael?
	I think.
	So tell me about your down and out phase.
	How bad was it?
	Um, well I was, I ran out of money when I was living In a caravan, as I say, on the Costa Blanca.
	And I didn't have any money to stay there.
	And I knew there was no hope of or it wasn't right to repair the broken marriage because it was something that happened because
	My life is very difficult to live and it's a lot easier now to live with me than it was then, but my third and final wife is a different kind of, she has a different kind of mental toughness to anyone I've ever known.
	Without that she could never have given me the support that she has.
	Because we met just after I broke up with my Last wife.
	And we were together from early 2007 onwards.
	And I was living in a building that was owned by my family, which I subsequently fought 10 years to try and stop Bank of Scotland stealing.
	And out of a family property portfolio of 11 properties, Bank of Scotland stole nine of them, despite three sets of court proceedings that we ran against them, which I was running.
	And we ended up in the end winning in the High Court in 2014.
	Arguing that the mortgage deed was invalid because it was invalidly witnessed under an Act of Parliament called the Law of Public Miscellaneous Provisions Act 1989.
	Now this Act states in Section 1 that every single mortgage deed has to be, when it's signed by the mortgagor, has to be witnessed by an independent witness, and if it's not, And it's void and can't be enforced.
	Now this applies to a large proportion of UK mortgages registered at the Land Registry.
	And we eventually, around about six months later, because we got that judgment in the High Court that Section 1 did apply to all mortgages, We got the first fraudulent mortgage cancelled by the Land Registry.
	Only problem was, a dodgy judge called Behrens in the Rigtide Court ruled that even though we'd won the main point of the argument after every previous judge had decided that it was totally without merit and the 1989 Act didn't apply to mortgages, which was an outright lie and they knew it, He said it did, but he was going to order that the bank had the right to create a new fraudulent mortgage, which they did, and they registered.
	But in the end, Bank of Scotland capitulated.
	The James Crosby was sued by me.
	This is a non-judicial legal process for the damages that he caused, for the losses that he caused me as an individual, because I was a beneficiary, a primary beneficiary to the properties that were lost, because they were included in a family trust.
	But I did manage to save two properties, my sister's house and my parents' house, and the last remaining mortgage over my sister's property was cancelled in 2019.
	But in the middle of all of this, before all that had happened, when the bank still thought they had a hope of silencing me, That the film would amount to nothing, it wouldn't get made, it wouldn't get distributed.
	No one would like it.
	Well, the opposite was the case.
	But in the autumn of 2014, October, it was, I was involved.
	Well, I was the prosecutor in the first two British grand juries since 1933.
	When grand juries were effectively stripped of their jurisdiction above government, unlawfully, by Parliament.
	Now this is a fact that not many people know.
	Grand juries were always above any government because the grand jury's rule was to strike out any miscarriage of justice, and that includes unlawful, Statutes, Acts of Parliament, Bills, Regulations that cause harm, loss and injury to the people or that breach the Constitution.
	Now, the fact is that when we did that, the first decision that the grand jury made was to annul that part of the 1933 Act that did it, which was the law of the Administration of Justice, Miscellaneous Provisions Act 1933.
	I annulled that section, which got rid of the Grand Jury, and in the first Grand Jury following that, we then went on to declare that all of the EU-related Acts, Statutes, Bills, Regulations and Treaties were also null and void, on the basis that no Parliament has ever had the right to cede any part of the British sovereignty.
	Because the British sovereignty is not owned by the Crown or the Monarch, It's on loan to the monarch and the monarch has to make sure the parliament carries out the laws correctly in accordance with the constitution and that hasn't been in this country for at least I mean, at least five decades hasn't been done.
	And because I did this, because they obviously didn't want this to come out.
	And around the same time, I also exposed the fact that the privatisation of the land registry could not proceed because at the time it was being sponsored by Nathaniel Rothschild, who had organised two potential buyers who put bids on the table.
	And in the end, those bids couldn't go through because the underwriters at the insurance companies who were asked to underwrite the potential deals told them that after a search on the internet, when they found my posts about how the land registry was going to be sued, and they were liable to indemnify every single mortgagor who has caused losses by fraudulent registration by the land registry.
	Now, they're bound under a statute to indemnify everybody and then sue whoever is responsible.
	In other words, you don't have to go to court to sue the land registry.
	You have to just simply make an application.
	If they've made an entry in the register that's caused you losses, you owe compensation.
	And that's why the privatisation of the land registry fell through.
	That made the hotel extremely angry that we were doing this.
	They had at least two agents, possibly three, at those grand juries, and one of them or two of them Conspired to poison a drink that I was bought by one of them.
	I was bought two drinks by them.
	But he was alone with this drink in an empty bar where the single solitary member of staff in this Nottingham pub, she was rushed off her feet and she was often, she often had her back to the bar and could have easily slipped something in my drink.
	And 12 hours later, I have all of the symptoms of Shiga toxin producing E. coli bacteria poisoning in an amount which no one had ever survived.
	But obviously I survived.
	Has it affected your health since?
	No, I made a full recovery.
	When I was in Nottingham at the time, I was driving over Newcastle when I told my friends who I'd left, Mike Rodera being one of them, That I knew I'd been poisoned and I had to work out what it was at that point.
	I didn't know what it was, but on the way home, I'd already heard from a health expert that I knew who was working with Tesla machines, healing people.
	I already knew that the best thing that you could use for any urinary problem, because you see, I felt like I had barbed wire being pulled through all of my lower organs, James.
	It was a nightmare.
	I mean all of them but there was no pain in my bowel so I knew it couldn't be food poisoning through something I ate and I had very little to drink and eat during that day because I was talking for most of it and then when I got home my wife had already procured some concentrated cranberry extract and I took that in the largest amount, I think it was 10,000 milligrams or something like that, I might have that wrong, but the largest amount that you could buy.
	I was taking those capsules for 10 days every three hours But at the same time I hooked myself up to an electronic pulser to clean my blood.
	You say it's like a rife machine or is that different?
	That's different, that's different.
	I don't know enough about Tesla machines to talk to you about, but I can give you some links and I can point you in the direction of the guy who did treat my recovering leg.
	I broke my leg a few years ago and my leg was still recovering and he treated my leg with this Tesla machine, which used to be in every hospital.
	That's again another great story, yeah.
	So basically I recovered in 10 days.
	I was weak for a few weeks and it took 10 before I felt like I was completely recovered.
	But not only did I completely recover without any damage, I felt stronger and more determined than any before that I was absolutely on the right path.
	So, a lot of that stuff you told me about the mortgages and stuff, incredibly involved and went straight over my head.
	Presumably, you've just done a lot of immersing yourself in books.
	I mean, you're quite up with the English common law, aren't you?
	And the nuances thereof.
	Yes, I spent, well, far more than 10,000 hours reading all about those subjects and so many more.
	And the reason I did is because around the time that my life turned to shit, or turned to dust more accurately, in an instant, you know, 15 years grafting towards the same goals and you achieve everything on the path and then you get to the final hurdle and You end up being the one who turns back down the track without going over the finish line.
	And I've never regretted it for a second, but I knew I had to build a completely new life.
	And I decided that I would find a way to identify what the problems were with the current rigged system and also to identify what the solutions to the problems are.
	And it's taken well over a decade But I got to the point where I decided, first of all, I'm going to master the law of banking, then the law of promissory notes, then the law of bills of exchange.
	And before too long, I was mastering international law of bills of exchange and finding out that there was not a single credit.
	In any bank account in this country, not a single credit since the year 2000 has been created in any other way except by a customer signing a loan agreement and the bank going away, depositing that loan agreement, taking the credit, putting it in the customer's account and pretending that they've lent their own money to them.
	In other words, it's another bait and switch.
	So, go on.
	I was just going to ask you to take a step back for a moment, because you said you sat down to think about what the problems with the world are, and then you were going to find solutions.
	So if you had to put on the back of a cigarette packet, What is basically wrong right now?
	Why is the world so completely fucked?
	Because the bankers took control of the creation and supply of credit in 1815 in the aftermath of the Battle of Waterloo and there's been no looking back since.
	So 1815 is your... because there are lots of start points aren't there?
	15 is your, because there are lots of start points, aren't there?
	I mean, earlier on we said 1666, but 1815.
	Sorry for this country.
	For this country, I mean.
	Because what happened in the aftermath of the Battle of Waterloo was so critical.
	Right.
	That was when Mayor Rothschild, when his signals got through to the city, he knew the results of the Battle of Waterloo before anyone else did.
	And he took it massively to heart.
	Yeah, Nathaniel's pigeons got the news back to him before anybody else.
	Sorry, Nathaniel.
	Right.
	OK.
	And so he made so much money that from that point he was able to completely screw the financial system in his favor.
	And it has never been rectified since.
	Well, if you know the historical context at the time, the Rothschilds had already, through the brothers who were in London, Frankfurt, Paris and Vienna at the time, they'd funded both sides of every war for decades in Europe.
	They'd gotten every surviving royal dynasty into gold debt that they couldn't pay.
	They'd done the same with the Catholic Church, got them into war debt, gold debt that they couldn't pay.
	And then when they crashed the first real stock market, the London stock market, that Nathaniel Rothschild had co-founded, when he crashed that and bought back after selling all his stock and making people think that they had to do the same, everyone sold short.
	He bought up for pennies on the pound, an estimated 82% of global trade at the time.
	Because remember how powerful the British Empire was in the early 1800s.
	That is quite impressive.
	That makes George Soros's coup when he, um, when was it, um, 1992 or when he, he He played the markets, didn't he?
	He made a fortune out of betting against the interest rates.
	And yeah, but that 82% is a pretty impressive coup.
	So, okay, so did it start, I mean, I suppose as London goes, so goes the rest of the world, certainly in 1815.
	So, or would you think the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 is a separate problem?
	I mean, is that, is it all part of the same thing?
	It is all part of the same thing, James, but it was very, very separate because there were two incarnations of the Federal Reserve that were stopped by American presidents, that were abolished.
	One assassinated and one survived assassination.
	Their names for the time being escaped me.
	Andrew McDonald, I think, was one of them.
	But when the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, again, this is another good point to bring up, because it emphasizes what I'm saying about the Rothschild cartels' control by this point, but it also emphasizes how, until they had this in place, things couldn't go disastrously wrong for the way they did.
	So in 1913, you might know this already, Paul Warburg, who was absolutely a Rothschild proxy from the beginning, who'd been trained in Frankfurt by the Rothschilds and Warburgs, who had by this time become the same family by marriage.
	He was trained to go and be the first chairman of the Federal Reserve, trained in the secrets of Rothschild banking.
	And what he did was he convened this meeting, the Jekyll Island meeting, shortly before the creation of the Federal Reserve.
	And every single person at that meeting was a Rothschild proxy.
	Blader became one of the first board of the Federal Reserve.
	And it was a law that no one was allowed to know who was on the list of directors of the Federal Reserve board as well.
	And what came out in the minutes, and again, this is through Eustace Mullins' work on the Federal Reserve, he wrote a book on the Federal Reserve, which you should check out.
	What he said about it was that in this meeting, and he'd seen the minutes to the meeting in the library at the Library of Congress when he was there, and the minutes said that Paul Warburg disclosed that the purpose of the creation of the Federal Reserve was entirely to bring back the Babylonian banking system of control through debt and pledging.
	Okay, so just to recap, you're saying the fundamental problem is... The fundamental problem is that the banksters have control over the creation of all money.
	Okay, and that explains presumably a lot of what's happening in the world today with the fake pandemic and stuff.
	Yes, the reason it comes down to something that simplistic, and you know, you can dress it up into something a lot more complex than that, you can talk about the other issues, and there are many, but they all require one thing, that the banks retain control, or rather the protected banks, the cartels banks, retain control of absolutely everything, because that was the purpose.
	So if we look at it, so how does money or the creation and power over the creation of money, how does that create slaves?
	Because people volunteer to be slaves just to get the money.
	They will do things that they hate, that they despise, that they know are morally wrong, just to pay the mortgage, the council tax, to pay the kids' school fees, to get the groceries, and when you get further down the line, just to carry on living.
	Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
	So how do we get on with this?
	Well, I'm glad you asked that question.
	I alluded to this in one other interview I did on the Renegade Ink Show on RT, which you might have seen, you might not, but Ross Ashcroft asked the same question.
	And I said, words to the effect of, The people need to take back control so that the power to create credit is entirely in the hands of the individual and the business who needs it.
	But instead of going with a begging bowl to a bank whose modus operandi is to screw you into the dirt and make you a debt slave and a tax slave for life, so that you can never do anything that makes your heart sing, so that you're always suppressed or miserable, or overburdened to ever get ahead of the game.
	It doesn't matter how much you earn, as you'll know yourself, the more you earn, the more they'll take from you, the more everything will cost, until you get to a point when you've got so much money it's obscene, and then it just becomes an obsession about holding on to that money and keeping it.
	It's not that money is the root of all evil, but I do think that the worship of money, and the obsession with money being the key to life, has all but ruined Western civilization.
	Yes, but it's, I mean, isn't that, wasn't it ever thus?
	People have always, because it's, money is a means to an end, money is, money buys you freedom, money buys you, like, or Okay, I'm going to put, you know, play the devil's advocate, put forward the romantic idea of money.
	I mean, the reason I like money, I'm not particularly materialistic, but I really do like money for, or I would like to have money as a way of saying fuck off to the system.
	You know, I'd like to be protected.
	I'd like not to have to worry about these awful, awful people.
	I'd like to be protected from them.
	And it seems to me that you need money to do that.
	Correct, but that's what I'm saying.
	That's the trap.
	Oh, I recognize the trap.
	Yeah, but what I'm saying is the way out of that trap is to create your own credit.
	So you have enough money to do that.
	How do you do that?
	How do you do that?
	I've done it.
	So I'll explain how I've done it.
	Okay.
	When it got to a point that I realized that there was no possibility of the system being fixed, I realized that a different system, a new civilization would have to be built.
	And around about 2010, I started talking about various events I was asked to speak at about something that a concept that I had called Universal Community Trust, UCT for short.
	And what UCT is, it's a government free jurisdiction where all indigenous peoples can stand under for their own protection, for the purposes of self-determination.
	In other words, any indigenous peoples anywhere in this world who decide, right, I'm sick of this system in their nation state.
	I want to go somewhere else and there's nowhere to go.
	Well, UCT is the alternative to the system.
	And I'll give you a little bit of background so you know what we did.
	So you'll know how we've done everything necessary to put in place an alternative.
	In 2012, on the summer solstice, 25 independent indigenous British nations ratified a treaty, which I drafted called the Treaty of Universal Community Trust, which created the first government-free natural law jurisdiction.
	And within the terms of that treaty, we created the right for the individual and the business to create their own credit in the way the banks do, but pretend that they don't.
	In other words, let's just say, James, that you want to never have to worry about money again.
	On the UCT jurisdiction, if you're a member of our community, you could create a promissory note.
	We give you a template for it.
	You execute it.
	You deposit it in our depository and you get sent the credit to the value of the note.
	And you might say, but where are you getting that credit from?
	And if you did, that would be an excellent question because we created our own credit.
	We created two UCT currencies.
	Now we're at the pre-launch stage at the moment.
	We've created two currencies.
	One is called UCT Token and one is called UCT Cash.
	UCT Cash is the exclusive currency of all UCT communities and UCT Token is the one that UCT community members use in any jurisdiction to buy what they want.
	Well, they will do because we're pre-launch.
	Now, these two currencies You will still be able to use notes to spend these currencies in the UCT marketplace, and the currencies are backed by actual, tangible, commercial assets that sit in reserve.
	Those are the assets that create the credit for the currencies.
	So UCT token is created with promissory notes, sorry, is created with promissory notes and commercial liens or common law liens and UCT cash is created with promissory notes.
	And those are the reserves that sit there the entire time backing the currencies.
	So when you brought up a promissory note as a UCT community member, you would simply sign it, deposit it, and you'd get your credit.
	Then you'd be able to use that credit in the same way you use any electronic currency or within the UCT market, use it in the form of cash.
	I was going to change the battery in my...
	because people might get epileptic fits from the strobing.
	Hang on.
	I totally take your word for it that that system will work.
	I mean, what about, um, I mean, presumably people are going to want, you know, I want to be really rich.
	So I just go to your UCT and say, like, I want, you know, 10 million UCT credit.
	Would you would you give me that?
	Well, that depends what you write on the form as the stated purpose for that money.
	If you said, yes, I want to use this money to get completely outside of the system and be self-determined and make things better and more secure for my family in the long term, so we never have to worry about money, if you wanted to say all of those things, Provided you didn't do anything that contravenes the terms of the UCT Treaty, that would be fine.
	And just to sum up what the terms of the UCT Treaty could be described as in the shortest possible time, every single part of it adds up to this one divine maxim of common law.
	Do no harm, but take no shit from anybody.
	That's all you need to know about the law.
	Do no harm.
	Cause no harm.
	Cause no loss.
	I'm totally with you.
	I'm not at all equipped to assess whether this is the solution.
	It sounds good, but I think you and I, and a lot of our viewers, totally agree on this, that the world is fucked beyond measure, and has been for some extraordinary length of time, longer than anyone alive, possibly going back Well, I mean, maybe even back to the Babylonian times.
	It's, do you not think that given that the world has been, given that the powers that be are so powerful and so rich and so entrenched, we've, and given what's been, I mean, look at, have you noticed this?
	One of the things that really upsets me at the moment
	really worries me actually about that shakes my faith in the ability of the people to to rise up against this corrupt system which we agree on it's all those people who've had these dangerous jabs and have personally experienced the numerous side effects that you get from them you know they've had sort of mini strokes they've had um
	Heart attacks, they've had generally feeling, you know, distorted periods.
	Some people have had the menopause, have started bleeding again.
	All sorts of women, obviously, have started all manner of ill effects.
	They're feeling like crap.
	And the percentage of them who think that this has got nothing to do with the vaccine is very, very high.
	People have been allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the government.
	What I'm saying is I can see that the world is accelerating towards this absolute disaster when the collapse of the financial system and the introduction of central bank digital currencies and the enslavement of the populace.
	And you and I both know that people need to wake up to this stuff really fast and you've got your urgent message and I've got my urgent message which I use my podcast to get out.
	But where are the people who were going to rise up against this?
	Most of them were just sitting at home watching Netflix going, I must have my booster.
	Yes, it's been painful to watch.
	It's been akin to realizing that idiocracy.
	I don't know if you've seen the film.
	Yeah, I have.
	Idiocracy is the nearest prediction.
	To how it's become with the masses, that they literally are only believing what they see on the telly and read in the papers that are being controlled by their controllers.
	And that's why you don't get to write in those publications if you say the wrong thing.
	So in that position, I think that the only thing that's going to do it is when people you know, And people that you don't know in the same kind of positions within the mainstream media, when their consciences dictate that they don't care enough about holding on to what they've got.
	Because they need to start making as much noise as possible about the children that are dying since the VAX rollout in the schools.
	The stories that I've been sent already, video testimony and written testimony, are about as harrowing as you get.
	And there are serious and urgent warnings coming out of Israel.
	The number of people who died in Israel is off the charts from the Pfizer vaccine.
	But the maiming from these vaccines, every different type of vaccines, is also off the charts.
	The CDC in America has also claimed that the VARS reporting is reporting no more than 1% of the serious adverse events.
	And until the mainstream media starts reporting this, The people are not going to snap out of this hypnotized state or comatose state that they're in.
	They're not going to snap out of it.
	If that's your hope, I have to say that you must know that the mainstream media is also controlled by the Kabbalah.
	Yes, of course.
	But you see, I don't believe that the people who used to follow you when you wrote for the Telegraph didn't come with you.
	Some of them did.
	Yeah, obviously, obviously.
	And you're also attracted, I'm sure, a lot more people who have never ever read the Telegraph because of your speaking out.
	Oh, it's been really great.
	It's been fantastic.
	I really don't care about... It's a bit like you when you became, you know, destitute.
	Um, I, I have no regrets at all about the death of my mainstream media career.
	I, I just look at my former colleagues aghast.
	I just kind of think, how can you do this?
	It's a bit like, I mean, I, I, I'm fun.
	I love using Nazi analogies because, because it's just, it's so vivid and obvious at the comparison.
	But it's a bit like the attitude seems to be, well, I don't want to be in the concentration camps and clearly I'm never going to become part of Hitler's entourage.
	But at least, you know, if I can just knuckle under and get a job as a concentration camp guard, then at least I won't be, you know, I won't be going to the showers.
	It's like that.
	So many people, I think, have made this ugly accommodation with the These dark forces and they don't seem to realize how morally compromised they are.
	They don't seem to have the proper sense of shame, which I find extraordinary.
	How can they not have a conscience?
	Well, I think people run away from their conscience sometimes, especially when it really bothers them, that they feel compelled, that they have to do it, that they don't have a choice, and then they get angry with anyone pointing out, you do see the moral bankruptcy of this, don't you?
	But at the same time, we can't stop pointing it out.
	We need to point it out more.
	And again, there is another element of this, and that is that the exposure of trustworthy alternative Media sources is increasing dramatically and the trust in the mainstream media is weaning.
	So in other words, what I think is, I think, do think that there's an interesting watershed moment on the horizon where the mainstream media will become obsolete when the alternative news Reaches enough people about the Madazlam murders and the private criminal prosecution that I'm running against the four horsemen of Covid 1984 and all their accomplices.
	Because make no mistake about it, James, they have been murdering with Madazlam in the care homes since at least 2016 as a matter of government policy, but they started testing it in 2014 and they gave it its baptism with the Liverpool Care Pathway from 2008 onwards.
	Most people think that was abandoned.
	It wasn't.
	It became policy.
	But the huge mistake that they've made is that they have convinced They're accomplices, the people who've carried out most of the practicalities of these heinous crimes.
	They've convinced them.
	Falsely.
	That euthanasia is legal under certain circumstances in this country, on compassionate grounds for instance.
	And it isn't.
	It's murder.
	It doesn't matter what your excuse is.
	You can even have the consent of the victim.
	It's still murder.
	And there's a video confession of Hancock with Dr Luke Evans MP before Parliament in the COVID-19 inquiry in April 2020 Where Dr Luke Evans says to Hancock, have you got enough midazolam, morphine and syringe drivers to give everyone who needs one a good death?
	A good death is the euphemism for euthanasia.
	It's a confession.
	And we're running this PCP and we've got witnesses that have been sacked from care homes coming forward with evidence every single day that we're right.
	They witnessed this happen.
	They put everybody over 65 on the end-of-life pathway.
	They put everybody who was diagnosed or predicted to be likely to be diagnosed with COVID on the end-of-life pathway and that's why they shunted them all into the care homes Because all they were administering in those homes was midazolam and morphine to people on that pathway.
	And we got all the evidence proving every single element of these crimes.
	And it's not just rampant, it's endemic.
	But given that we both know that the judiciary is bent probably beyond redemption, the courts are.
	I've seen this at first hand.
	I saw some of Tommy Robinson's court cases and I must say it completely shook my faith that I had in the English justice system.
	I thought that judges and barristers and people like that were Well, we're as principled as I am, and they ain't there.
	Anyway, I mean, even the best we've got, Jonathan Sumption, even Jonathan Sumption can't quite bring himself to admit what's really going on.
	So how are you going to get your case?
	How are you going to win it in a system that's bent?
	By strategizing them, by out-thinking them, and by using tactics that they could never predict, and by also giving them information that will turn out to not be an advantage, shall we say.
	We also have a team, a crack team, and we're talking about people who've specialised in taking down these kind of criminals, have come together to assist me.
	We've got probably the best researcher I've ever come across who has crunched at least 10,000 hours worth of data in just a few months.
	And we've ascertained that not only is this a long-term plan, We've ascertained the actual infrastructure that they put in place to deliver it all.
	And I know a lot of people who are listening won't have heard of Common Purpose, but I know a lot of people who will have heard of Common Purpose.
	In essence, Common Purpose is the network that has been built since 1981 by the cartel to roll out Systematic population control.
	In other words, they're reducing the population with pharmaceuticals.
	Hence the power of the men and women in white coats.
	I hadn't, I mean, I was familiar with Common Purpose, you know, Brian Gerrish is very good on that from the UK column, isn't it?
	I hadn't realized that it was also involved in the depopulation thing.
	I thought it was just more to do with Embedding cultural Marxist values at every level of business and the civil service and local government and so on, but yeah.
	I tell you why that is the case or how it is demonstrably the case, because I used to be of the same opinion before I talked to my Bilderberg insider and she disclosed that the ultimate plan was to fulfill Henry Kissinger's plan to rid the world of what he described as the useless eaters.
	That's up to 95% of the population and people don't realise he said that when he was in the Nixon administration in the early 70s and he said it at the UN.
	And the former head honcho at the UN behind the scenes, Maurice Strong, who died a couple of years ago, a few years ago.
	Maurice Strong was the strongman who the cartel placed in the UN to fulfil or to set in place the infrastructure for that agenda.
	And the infrastructure for that agenda is absolutely sustainable development.
	What is it that David Attenborough keeps banging on about all the time?
	That people are the scourge of the planet, and if we don't eradicate enough of us soon enough, the planet's going to die.
	Yes, that's about it.
	David Attenborough used to be, I think, the chairman or the president or some senior position on something called the Optimum Population Trust, which was a nakedly Malthusian organization which was committed to a global population number far, far below the one that we've got now.
	And they've, you can't find that very easily on the internet anymore.
	They've, they've, they've obviously, they find it embarrassing.
	But But yeah, I totally agree that these, these Malthusians, these people who think that, well, The Earth has a cancer, the cancer is man.
	That was the Club of Rome famously said.
	So, you know, I researched a lot of this with my book, Watermelon.
	So it's all real to me.
	So do you think, I think we should round it up now, because I'm getting quite knackered and it's getting late.
	Do you think we've got any hope of winning this one?
	I don't engage in hope anymore.
	I only engage in constructive action and reflection that brings about the correct strategies to impose upon the action or to take things forward.
	And I believe 100% I wouldn't be able to get up and do what I do every day if I didn't believe that we are destined to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
	And that's where we are.
	We're within the jaws of defeat.
	We're that close to certain annihilation that it has come down to brass tacks.
	And it really is as simple as when people realize how many people have been murdered under the alibi, the fraudulent alibi of Covid 1984, which they couldn't have got away with it without imposing upon us.
	When people realize that, I honestly think that the tidal wave of public anger And unity, that things have to change, that we have to be better than our oppressors, that we have to take the words of Buckminster Fuller when he said the only way to get rid of any tyrannical regime is to build a new system or a new civilization, which makes their system obsolete because it's better in every way.
	In other words, we have to set up the world so that it serves all the people and never the people at the top.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
	I just want to just take you back to your point about the, um, what are they called again?
	The, the Frank, um, the Carlos, what are they called?
	Sabatain Frankists.
	Sorry?
	Sabatain Frankists.
	The Sabatain, the Sabatain Frankists.
	You said, you said that the, the, the founder guy, whose name was, Saboteur Zevi.
	Saboteur.
	He was essentially inverting everything so that instead of pursuing good, we pursued evil.
	And I very much feel that that is the case.
	But do you not think that this is all foretold in the Bible?
	I mean, everything that's happening now has been written and predicted.
	This is the battle between good and evil.
	I mean, you've kind of hinted that already.
	I absolutely believe that that is the case.
	And from my own experience, I absolutely know that it wasn't just in the Bible that these times were prophesied, because everything is cyclical.
	There is nothing new under the sun, as you already know.
	And this particular cycle, if you look at it as I do, which is everybody that I'm working with, Whether we know each other or not, we're here for the same mission, and that is to end this tyranny that has imposed itself upon us without our consent, to end it once and for all, peacefully, without war.
	Without violence.
	Without bloodshed.
	Not like they do things.
	And I think we all came here to do it that way.
	To win hearts and minds by just never giving up.
	Knowing that the one thing they can never predict about mankind is what happens when our collective backs are against the wall.
	Because that's when the unexpected happens.
	That's when we're unpredictable.
	And that's where we're at now.
	I totally agree with you.
	Actually, it would be a really good way to end, except there's one more question I wanted to ask you, and it was raised by something you said earlier on about your mining background.
	It's that somebody raised this on my Telegram group the other day, and I thought it was very insightful.
	I hadn't... that essentially, Arthur Scargill was right.
	that although his analysis was was was wrong he was he was a Marxist and and it was colored by you know his sort of leftist views but essentially he was right that the the real reason that the mines were closed down was because the financiers were so arranging it that they were impossible to they they couldn't that they couldn't work financially but this was the fault of the actual financiers not the mines themselves
	And that the real reason for the closure of the mines was because this was a strong working class community with a sense of its own purpose and its own culture.
	And what we've seen, the closure of the mines was just one facet of the systematic destruction of everything of value in our culture.
	Does that argument hold any merit for you?
	It's 100% accurate.
	I witnessed it myself.
	My grandad went down the pit when he was 14.
	He broke his back down the pit when the pit face fell on him in his 40s on the day his third child was born in a back room in their house where my nana gave birth to my uncle Robert on her own and then went down to the scene of the accident to see if her husband was still alive.
	And then two years later, he's back at work.
	He's a type of bloke who never complained, but he was also self-sufficient.
	His family was self-sufficient in everything except flour and milk.
	He provided everything else, even during rationing time.
	He was a self-determined man.
	And he told me right at the beginning of The Miner's Strike, he says, there's one thing that Scargill is right about above everything else.
	And he says he understands that if they break the miners who brought the government to its knees repeatedly over the best part of a century when it was doing wrong to the people.
	If they break the miners, they break every working class community after that, because everyone knows if the miners break, there's no hope.
	The people are slaves.
	And he said that to me in 1982.
	And he was right.
	He was absolutely right.
	He was retired by that point, but he knew what was around the corner.
	And that place, him and our family had lived in a village for seven generations since the Industrial Revolution.
	There had literally never been anywhere else on that side of the family except that village.
	that village virtually overnight like all the pit villages just became a waste a wasteland you know.
	I'm so glad I asked you that question because one thing that that even though we're living through really shit times one of the things I've loved about the last 18 months is connecting with people from
	All walks of life and all races and all classes and so on and realizing that we're all humans in it together and that strength of fellow feeling has been extraordinary because it's enabled me to transcend all those kind of inbuilt prejudices that have been just, you can't help growing up, you couldn't help having grown up in Britain.
	And being subject to the kind of the left-right divide, the class divide, all these different things, the race divide, which I never particularly felt, but I'm sure that they were bubbling in my subconscious because our whole system has been created by people who want to divide us.
	I understand the miners' strike now in a way I didn't before.
	And it's been presented to us as the battle between the heartless witch, right-wing Margaret Thatcher.
	And it was never really about that.
	It was never as presented.
	It was much, much darker than that.
	It was about people on a much higher level trying to destroy all of us by creating this awful division.
	Yes, and I remember I was 13 at the time, well I was 14, and pretty much I was grown by the time I was 14, but I was also quite mischievous to say the least, and I was drinking in pubs during the miners' strike, talking to miners, and there was one miner in a place called Choppington in Northumberland, Again, seven generations of miners in his family, and he was striking.
	And this is six months into it.
	And he turned to me because he'd seen me playing pool, and he turned to me and he said, Are you from a mining family, son?
	I says, I'm your grandad's miner.
	And he said, Great.
	I knew you were.
	We're going to win this, you know, son.
	And I said, I hope so.
	Why do you think so?
	And he says, Because those outside of mining communities, when they hear the truth, That we're not just fighting for our jobs and our families, we're fighting for everybody.
	Because if she wins this fight against the miners, it wasn't her, it was the system they work against.
	But he said if they win, then this country is lost.
	And he was right.
	Yeah.
	Because that's what happened.
	And it's just gone to the dogs.
	He's absolutely right.
	He's absolutely right.
	Yeah.
	Um, Michael, it's been really great chatting to you.
	I hope you've, I hope you've enjoyed it.
	If I may remind everyone, if you want more Thrilling conversations like this.
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	And Michael, is there anything you'd like to plug?
	Where can people find you?
	How can they support you?
	Whatever.
	Yes, you can go to thebenistian.net, which is my blog, and click in the menu.
	There are several different chapters, all kinds of articles on the full gamut of the subjects that we discussed today and much more.
	There are also remedies for people.
	If you want to stop your employer forcing you to wear a mask, if you want to stop them forcing you to have the jab, Same if you want to stop the schools forcing jabs on the kids and forcing masks on the kids.
	There are remedies on my blog for all of that.
	And generally, if you put your support behind me in any way, it would be great if it was supporting The private criminal prosecution for the Madazlan murders.
	When we're ready to lay the papers, which will hopefully be in a few days, we want to spread the word far and wide that we're going to stop this no matter what it takes.
	Even if the corrupt system puts obstacles in our way, we're not going to back down until justice is done.
	There must be some rich people out there.
	I mean, that seems to me a really worthwhile cause.
	Because not everyone with money is a bad guy, are they?
	I mean, not everyone is in the cabal.
	Loads of people have got money and they care about humans as much as we do.
	Yes, without those caring people with money, I wouldn't have been able to get through the last decade.
	You know, because when no one will employ you, it's very difficult to exist, isn't it?
	Yes.
	And it's one of those things.
	People will give generously in whatever way they can, and it often comes in its most valuable form.
	And it's not money.
	It's when people will send you a message to tell you that what you did somehow helped them change their circumstances for the better.
	And that's ultimately what happens every time somebody like us puts their head above the parapet and tells people what they need to hear, even if they don't want to hear it.
	The truth is always much stranger than fiction.
	But this particular truth is definitely the strangest that I've ever experienced.
	And I'm very happy to have shared some of it with you.
	Great.
	Thanks a lot.
	OK.
	Well, have a great evening.
	Good to talk to you.

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