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June 12, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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James and Laura's Chinwag #23
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Before we started, Cristóbal and I had a brief discussion and we decided that the view of the... Are they still there?
Yeah, they are.
We had a brief discussion and we decided that the view of the...
I think they're still there.
Yeah, they are.
The irises is better than my face. - This, No, this is me.
No, it's me, because again, I remembered at least earlier on that it was going through my phone, so I've put it through my Wi-Fi now.
So we're now set.
Good.
So do you think people missed that, Gem, about the excitement that I decided that my irises were more important than my face?
Anyway, if we didn't, it's done.
Oh, irises, are they?
Yeah, they are beautiful.
Um yeah yeah I would go with I would go with the irises myself but it's up to you.
Now to to fire me up you sent me an extract, you sent me a link to a piece by Stephen Glover in the mail.
Yes.
Yeah and I think for people who don't know who Stephen Glover is I mean I feel the world's changed so much in the last two years, but two years ago, Stephen Glover was the kind of, the voice of common sense conservatism.
He's a, you know, he's a columnist bean round the block.
You can, you can trust what he's going to say.
It's sort of not very exciting, but quite well researched.
And, and Stephen Glover's a kind of stalwart of the old Fleet Street, isn't he?
I mean, I think he was, he had something to do with the, didn't he found the independent You know more than I do, but yeah, I bow to your knowledge of the journalists.
But the point is that when you read articles like Glover's Latest, you realise all these people, I mean, everyone, everyone in journalism, all the big names are just worthless.
They're just absolutely worthless.
They're not on our side.
They're just shilling for causes which are noxious.
And they have no shame.
What did you hate about the article?
Tell me about it.
Well, all of it.
I mean, it was completely outrageous.
I mean, he's obviously so far in with Tony Blair.
It starts off, you know, saying how great Tony... Well, it doesn't.
It starts off saying we need vaccine passports for international travel, right?
Which you can... Well, I know you would say no.
You can kind of almost live with.
And then he goes in full on, full on, you know, Tony Blair, who was on on Sunday advocating for an apartheid, basically.
And that's the words that we should use.
Advocating for vaccine apartheid domestically.
You know, you shouldn't get into pubs without a vaccine passport.
He wants his whole digital passport.
I mean, Tony Blair, again, might as well have horns.
But it's really interesting, and I was just about to tweet it, that when they talk about domestic vaccine passport schemes, what this is, I mean, that's bad enough, but what it really is, is a vaccine coercion system.
And that's what we should be saying, because it says in the article I have here, the prospect.
Oh, yes.
He says the minority continue to decline a job would risk exclusion from some public places.
Now, this includes like pubs and restaurants, not just your big football events.
Many, though, would think again.
The prospect of COVID passports would incentivize these people to have a vaccine, which would make them and everyone else much safer.
Well, we know that doesn't make them safer.
So, but he's explicitly admitted that he's using it.
His word is incentivized.
My word is coerce or force people into taking an experimental vaccine.
It's completely unethical.
It's a breach of all fundamental human rights.
So when they propose this vaccine passport scheme, yes, it's an ID scheme.
Yes, it's wrong on those grounds.
And it's also wrong because it's essentially a vaccine coercion scheme.
Because if you say to somebody, we're going to strip you of your civil rights unless you get vaccinated, that is a forced vaccination scheme.
And it is a breach of all international human rights.
And you know, they just trot this stuff out.
They're completely shameless.
It's in the Times.
We should get a list, a list of shame of all the people who are willing to sell out their fellow citizens, right, on the drop of a hat, on a threat that is minuscule, okay?
Absolutely minuscule.
This isn't like, you know, someone putting a gun to their head saying, where is he, right?
Where is he or else?
This threat is absolutely miniscule and you are willing to sell out your fellow citizens on the cheap, you know, the minute it got a little bit tough.
Stephen Glover was one.
I think Clare Cohen was one in The Times.
I think Ian Dale was one.
Who else is in our team?
Rachel Johnson, of course.
All the Karens are in there.
Which is Edwina Johnson or Rachel Johnson.
Edwina Curry, of course, is completely off the scale.
We should have a plaque of those who basically wanted a vaccine coercion scheme.
They're disgusting.
It's a terrible article.
All of it.
Absolutely all of it.
And the fact that he goes on about how great Tony Blair is.
I mean, really.
And then he ends with, you know, COVID will be around for a long time.
We are going to have to learn to live with it.
It is hard to see how life can ever return to anything approaching normality without our accepting some form of COVID passport.
You've made about five massive leaps there.
So they're basically setting it up as a COVID passport or lockdown.
That's your choice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and you can.
It's not as though Glover is not aware of the power of words.
You know, back in back in the day, he would have been called a word.
He would have been called a wordsmith and he would probably have written written trenchant articles about the power of words and about kind of the Orwellian misuse of language, you know, like like newspeak.
And he would be aware that when you are using Incentivize in the context that he uses it where he twists the meaning of the word as you rightly say and what the presupposition in his use of that word is that freedom of association freedom to say patronize a pub freedom to go out to it to a
to dinner or whatever are not not ours, but they are in the gift of the government.
That is the only that is the only possible interpretation.
Yeah, because that that is an incentive when somebody offers you something that you otherwise would not be given.
But it's not it's not in the government's gifts.
It should never be in the government's gift.
This is only totalitarian regimes do that.
And here's here's Here's Glover abandoning every value that he must have stood for in the past.
There's the Daily Mail abandoning every value.
Was the Mail ever anything less, anything better than complete crap?
That's what I wonder.
It supported the Nazis, didn't it, in the old days?
Yeah, I think one of the last articles I actually wrote for them that they came to me for, and I remember you taking, you know, was them saying, we shouldn't have vaccine passports, right?
We shouldn't have that.
That's the last sort of anti-vaccine passport thing I've seen.
And since then, they've obviously been lent on, or something has happened.
And they're all trying, I think Richard Littlejohn, again, was giving out about people working from home.
I take the same view as everything else.
If people want to continue working from home, you know, they can.
And, you know, there must be a lot going on in the background.
These people are, you know, the papers are not neutral.
They're taking a lot of money from the government to push their vaccine, their now vaccine, you know, Advertisement agenda.
Nobody's neutral in this, but I also, I mean, I hate to kind of bring, well, I don't hate to bring it back to this.
Maybe just because these are the established journalists and the younger journalists will be just as bad, but they really are.
There's one who's worse.
Yeah.
When they hit boom in a moment.
Yeah.
They really are.
The boomer journalists, the Karens and all the rest of them have been absolutely terrible.
And when I think about how when they were young.
Right.
I mean, not them personally.
I'm talking in general because I don't know where they sat individually.
They sort of were happy to burn down every social convention going.
Right.
Because they could just have a wild and a wild and hedonistic time.
And it's I can do whatever I want.
And my individual actions have no have no consequence for society as large.
And now, you know, 40 years later.
When they perceive their personal safety to under a threat a little bit, it is literally shut the whole place down and let's sell out everybody's civil liberties because they are fundamentally a very selfish generation.
These are not rights.
This common law system, you know, this system of civil liberties that we have, it is not theirs to give away, as we know, as conservatives.
Your only job is to conserve it and pass it on to the next generation.
But as I said, I have, I really, you know, I blame everything on them.
And, um.
What do you say that, Laura?
Yeah.
But here's the thing.
Yes.
There is something out there.
There is a creature that makes Stephen Glover look like, like me.
I mean, a creature so bad.
He makes even Dan Hodges, even your Bete Noire Dan Hodges look fantastic.
Do you know his name?
Well, does he?
Does he work?
It begins with Tom.
Yeah, I know.
And it ends in Harwood.
I mean, what a... He's such a... I agree.
I agree.
He leaves a lot to be desired.
But, you know, the thing is, in a way, James, is if he is young and you should always extend some benefit of the doubt to the youth, right?
No.
Well, I think people like Stephen Glover should know better, James.
They have more power.
They've been around for a longer period of time.
So I would hold you and Steven and all the rest of them to a higher standard.
I'm not I'm not saying he's, you know, Tom Harwood has no agency for what he does.
Yeah, he's he's his frontal lobes probably still unformed.
And and he probably is.
Yeah, he's he's very much into his into his carnal pleasures, isn't he?
Well, I think that he may be maybe lacking in a moral compass, but but more more than that.
Some of the stuff he's been tweeting out about child vaccines.
You would be annoyed.
He's really hot for every child to be jabbed.
He has zero children, right?
And he's never going to have children.
I think it's highly unlikely.
But yeah, I mean, you know, look, let's face it, these people who are injured or die, and there have been quite a few, and the Mail have actually carried the stories surprisingly, they are... Four children in America have died, at least, from taking the jab.
They are disposable to to certain people.
They've made the calculation.
They know some people will die from this.
I think I tweeted, there was a, I think, did you see it, where a mother of three died from it?
She was about 43, three years older than me.
She had two older children, a 12 year old who has disabilities.
This is the daughter now.
And the mother died from taking this AstraZeneca vaccine.
She felt that she should have because her daughter was vulnerable.
And you know, you're just thinking, I mean, the dad is around and he said it's definitely from the vaccine, you know, fell sick very quickly.
And you're just thinking, God, that 12 year old girl, now she has her dad, but, you know, she's lost her mother now.
She's never, that is, you know, that is it for her.
Not only does she have a disability where you kind of really need your parents fighting for you.
Now they've taken that parent away.
And, you know, again, Deep, deep down, the boomers and the rest of them will just say, you know, it's unfortunate, but it's a price.
I've got a house in France, James, that I need to get to.
And, you know, I mean, people need to take their AstraZeneca vaccine.
And if a couple of people die, then, you know, it's sad.
But what do you want me to do about it?
They ultimately don't care.
If something happened to my husband or me, would they come in and raise my children?
No!
They don't care.
People don't care.
I'll have to look at those tweets and get even angrier about it.
Other people's children are disposable.
That's very true.
It's extraordinary how people's capacity for callousness can change in a matter of, certainly in a matter of months, and possibly in a matter of weeks.
I was thinking, there was a famous, just before the Second World War started, there was a horrible incident in which a submarine sank.
The film they made out of it, no?
No, the crew all died and it happened in the late 30s.
And you can imagine that the intensity of public sympathy and despair for those drowned sailors Would have been far greater than they were capable of mustering, the public were capable of mustering later on in the war when you were losing submarines every week and where people were getting killed in bombing raids and so on.
And this is what happens.
People become inured.
So stories that really ought to be shocking, boys committing suicide, and I'm sure there's lots of this been going on, or people dying young as a result of adverse reactions to vaccines.
Yeah.
And people don't care in the way that they should.
The government has kind of anesthetized us to pain.
And it's appalling.
They've made us less human.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's always been an attack on our humanity, you know, as we as we discussed from the very beginning, as you said, people are very callous about it, it doesn't help that it's sort of, you know, it's a year and a half in and they've ground people down.
And, you know, when, you know, they had their day, they say, Oh, well, you're willing to sacrifice, you know, the 85 year old if we don't lock down, even though it's, it's not true, because they all died in the care homes.
But it's like, yeah, but you're willing to sacrifice God knows how many 25, 35 year olds or 45 year olds have a vaccine, if it suits your interests.
You know, but as I said, the government are slowly setting this up as a sort of a passport scheme, a stroke coercive vaccine scheme or lockdown.
Um, and it's, you know, it's very, it's very worrying.
I mean, I think it doesn't surprise me.
I think the boomers now are going to start getting miffed.
Finally, if, as he's essentially said, you know, I've, I've stepped up and I've had my two jobs yet.
I can't get to portico business.
Um, so.
But they wield a lot of power.
So that generation.
So if they, you know, if they say there was another lockdown in autumn, I've always said it's not if it's when will it be?
Will it be late September?
Will it be October?
They've they've they've they've planned this out already.
Well, it's going to be hard.
They're going to lock us down.
They're going to lock us down longer this time.
Well, what might happen is, there, they will do, we're going to lock down the non-vaccinated, but we'll let out the double-jabbers.
Because, you know, I think it would be difficult to sell, even to this generation of wimps, to lock down people who've already been vaccinated.
But, you know, I could be wrong.
They've gone along with everything.
If you scare them enough because there's another scary variant, then again, the vaccine essentially adds nothing.
Look, we've now reached the point where everything the government is telling us, everything that Hancock tells us, everything that Witty tells us, certainly everything that Valence tells us, is a lie, a lie direct.
Yeah, I know.
They don't even bother pretend anymore.
The nonsense about these scarients that you mentioned, these scarients are not, they're not real, they're not problems, they're not, I mean, how would you tell from a PCR test anyway?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you can't even tell from a PCR test whether somebody's actually got the active virus or not, because they run it at such high cycles that it gives a false positive anyway.
But I think that We're being prepared for something really horrible and that horrible thing, which people like people like Tom Harwood are participating in.
Yeah.
Which I think is just disgraceful.
I mean, Nazi-ish, frankly.
Yeah.
He would have been very happy writing for Völkischer Beobachter or Der Stürmer.
What he's doing is that bad.
What he's doing is creating an environment in which And we've discussed this before.
People who haven't taken this experimental gene therapy are being singled out for hatred, as we're being othered, we're being set apart as pariahs.
And the flaw in this argument, which people, in fact, I ought to write this piece for Conservative Women, just spelling out what they're doing, making these predictions.
They're creating in the public imagination a completely false idea that somehow the unvaxxed are holding them back.
Yeah.
But look, we've said this before.
I really don't care if I drop dead tomorrow of Covid.
Yeah, right.
As a result of not having had the jab.
Whoa, that's my lookout.
I mean, I really, you know, totally take it on the chin.
I don't feel that the NHS has any responsibility for me.
In fact, I'd rather steer well clear of the NHS.
I mean, really, unless I break a bone, I don't want to know.
I don't want them anywhere near me.
I wouldn't even want them near me if I got cancer, frankly.
I don't trust them anymore.
They are part of a kind of allopathic healthcare system, which is just well dodgy and socialist.
And everything that I loathe is imported by the NHS.
But if...
Stephen Glover makes this point in his article about how people who've been jabbed, you know, they've done their bit.
But if...
If these jabs are so good and so important, so necessary for us to take them, how come even when you've taken two of them, you can still get ill and you're still at risk?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That makes no sense.
So why are they picking on the unvaccinated when clearly Vaccines aren't doing their job, A, and B, when the vaccinated seem to pose a risk to us non-vaxxed people because of shedding.
I mean, you must have heard of this.
I've heard loads of people say, for example, people who are in couples and one of them's had the jab and the other one's not, and the one who's not had the jab has been started picking up the kind of nasty side effects of or women, unvaxxed women who've been with women who've had the jab who've had their periods disrupted and weirdly the ones who haven't been jabbed have also had their periods disrupted.
Things like that.
Yeah, I mean it's a divided rule thing.
Look, I mean what can you say?
It's, I mean, yeah, as you say, it could get very nasty very quickly.
It just depends on, but it doesn't surprise me, which actually brings me to, because it's linked, so my opinion of Boris is changing slightly, mainly because of the Dominic Cummings thing.
I mean, is it that he's the only one sort of standing there kind of trying to stop an absolute tyranny?
Are we wrong?
Am I wrong?
We just don't know anymore because it's a bit like being a sort of intelligence analyst and you could construct a thesis supporting either argument.
So you could say, yeah, Dominic Cummings revealed Boris in a much more favourable light because he showed that Boris was really resistant to the lockdown.
Boris was actually so gung-ho that he even wanted to be infected live on TV with the coronavirus to show it wasn't a big deal.
And I thought, and honestly, all of those of us who read that bit of the transcriptions would have thought, yeah, great.
At the same time, there was a counter argument that Dominic Cummings would never have been allowed to testify in this way if he wasn't effectively endorsing the plan.
And that these things were deliberately leaked in order to reinforce the government narrative and that they're all part of the same problem and that this is just theatre, just distraction, you know, Punch and Judy show.
So I think both arguments work.
It's whatever you feel like on a particular day.
Yeah, I mean, I guess because now at this stage, I suppose, you know, I need some hope.
So I'm sort of hoping.
The thing is, even if he is the only dude there, it's going to be very, it's very difficult to stand up to, you know, The evil powers that be, the entire medical establishment, all the media, Gove and Hancock who seem to be completely running the show.
They changed Portugal from green to amber because they had four positive tests from hundreds of thousands.
It's completely insane.
They're playing with us.
They despise us.
They're mocking us.
There is no scientific or medical rationale for what they're doing.
Certainly no economic rationale.
This is all designed to crush us and prepare us for... I mean, you've already got... You know, you see the Express article today?
They're talking about universal basic income.
We get £218 a week.
Why?
Yeah, I know.
It's bad.
I mean, it's hard to say.
I mean, this is the thing though.
I just don't understand why people say aren't more angry about this summer holiday thing.
And I can say this because I don't have anything planned.
I won't have anything planned.
It's not a big loss to me.
But I just wonder, you know, it's so I'm sort of not that invested in it, but I just I don't get how people who, you know, say if you're in your 20s where you really want to and should be traveling or indeed retired, OK, and in a similar position aren't aren't aren't getting, you know.
I'll tell you how it works, because don't forget, we've we've got a country being run by nudge departments, among other things, run by Behavioural psychologists.
And what they've worked out is that the government has been quite clever.
They haven't quite gone so far as to say, you cannot travel abroad.
What they've done is they've gone and made it look like it's a decision that we've made.
So, yeah, I was thinking of going abroad, but I really don't want to spend £500 per relative to for the tests and I I really don't want having it you know to be raped with an anal swab and whatever you know whatever whatever indignities that they want to impose on you.
Excessive stuff just designed to make the whole experience of travel even less pleasant than it already was with all the kind of you can't bring a water bottle more than 250 you know or I mean travel was horrible even before the pandemic And what they're doing is they're turning the screw to make it so unpleasant.
So people are feeling rather smug.
They're thinking, well, I've saved myself getting an anal swab and spending £500 per child.
I'm already £2000.
pounds on per child that's I've already I'm already two thousand pounds quids in for having to save my family from that I'm going to go to Cornwall this year because Cornwall's lovely and if it's good enough for Dave it's good enough for me and And Pembrokeshire's looking lovely this time of year and isn't our country marvellous?
And, you know, they know how to get inside people's heads.
Yeah, I agree.
Apart from people like me, and you, and the people listening to this, most of the country think that it's all going to be over soon.
They think the government is acting... still Boris is doing well in politics.
People still think the Conservatives are gay.
And when you've got GB News, even GB News, the channel that is supposed to be our salvation from the BBC and Channel 4, it's going to be different.
It's going to be like the Fox News of the UK.
And you've got their political correspondent.
He basically reads out government briefings.
He's so in bed with the regime that he's incapable of holding it to account.
They're completely dependent on each other.
It's a mutual dependence.
There's only one big issue, and that's this.
That's this issue.
And Andrew Neill is completely in with the, you know, he didn't have much of a problem with the lockdowns and the vaccines.
Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be even worse.
There is only one issue.
With Channel 4, I think.
Oh, do you mean the Megan and Harry's daughter?
No, I'm agreeing with you.
No, no, I know you're being sarcastic.
Yeah, it's like something's happened that, OK, so We mentioned at the beginning how every journalist, every journalist has completely shit the bed.
They've just been absolutely, they've given up, they're not doing their job.
But the ones that, even the ones that one might really admire, the people that, you know, you thought were kind of one serious competitors, the best, the cream of the cream.
What they've done is they've gone, I'm not going to really engage with this crushing of our freedoms by the biosecurity state and the Great Reset, because that's a bit too edgy.
What I'm going to do is really fight the culture wars.
I'm going to get really angry.
When the middle common room at an Oxford College takes down the photograph of the Queen.
Yeah, it was interesting.
So I had Calvin Robinson.
I did a podcast.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen him on Twitter.
He's great.
Yeah, he's he's great.
But I realized when I started talking to him, it was a bit awkward because he's his main shtick is is the culture war.
Yeah.
Yes.
And he works policy exchange, which is, you know, the think tanks are all compromised.
They're not going to get carbon at all.
I think he's great.
But so he'd just written a piece, you know, a trenchant piece saying how disgraceful it is that the middle common room in some Oxford colleges has removed the Queen's portrait because in case it lest it triggers somebody.
And I'm thinking, yeah.
I don't actually care that much.
I know, I know.
Don't you realize your country is being taken over by a fascist government?
All your freedoms are being taken away and you are, you are withering on about this.
It's, it's distraction.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, I mean, and I, as you know, I think from previous conversations, I sort of, But I think the culture war is higher, will be higher up on my agenda than necessarily your agenda.
But I definitely thought that the Queen picture thing, you're just like, seriously?
I mean, it's a common room for a start.
And it's all over the mail, by the way.
This is the thing about the mail.
The mail think, you know, coercive vaccines are absolutely the way to go.
Really important.
But they also, what is equally as important is Meghan and Harry's, you know, the name they use for their daughter.
And yeah, the picture in the common room.
And you just like, you guys have actually, you've so lost the plot, or it's actually all planned.
I mean, the thing is, removing... Yeah, it's the latter.
Yeah, I know.
Removing a picture of the Queen.
This is what I love about these students.
They think they're really radical, right?
And it's sort of revolutionary.
We're going to take down a picture of the Queen.
And you're like, they are literally trading your future away.
You know, if you were out there with pitchforks and flames, I would have a little bit more respect for you.
I want to see actually I want to see more radicalism, preferably over the right subject from these students.
But they're not there.
You know, we're going to change your pronouns and we're going to rearrange that.
We are literally going to rearrange the furniture, the deck chairs and the Titanic.
That is literally what they are doing.
And you're just like, do you know how much death you all are in, both personally and collectively?
Do you know what they're proposing for you?
And do you know what they do?
Just after they rearrange the furniture in their common room, ooh, that's really radical of you, they go and literally fight each other to get an experimental vaccine.
You're just like, You have just fallen for this agenda.
Hook, line and sinker, right?
It's true.
It's just like Again, is it because they can't analyze things anymore?
They have no sense of ethics anymore?
Is it they're just not that bright?
Even the kids in Oxford... All those things.
Supposed to be with a wealthy American as well.
Surprise!
That wanted the Queen taken down.
And you're just like, yeah.
What can you say?
I mean, what can you say?
There's nothing to say.
It's pathetic.
It's sad.
And yeah, I think I prefer a little bit more radicalism from the students.
And I'm afraid rearranging your artwork in your fucking common room isn't going to cut it.
Equally.
Equally.
There was a story today in the...
You're really up to date.
... about 150 Doms refusing to teach.
That's a little bit ridiculous.
They don't like the statue of Cecil Rhodes.
Well, I think, did I mention on this podcast the other day that I've completely shifted my view on Cecil Rhodes.
I mean, he's bad news.
Why are you tearing him down?
For reasons we won't go into here.
But actually, again, What's more important, whether or not a statue sits outside Orient College, which, I mean, you barely notice it.
I know.
And actually, I would very happily disband the Rhodes Scholarship.
Because it's only what left the Americans that come in under us.
Yes.
Yeah, I get you.
It's part of their brainwashing program.
For example, I think Devi Sreedhar, this awful woman who is currently professor of public health, I think, at Edinburgh University, and she was...
Oh, Laura, this would so annoy you.
Devi Sridhar, you've not come across her?
No.
She's basically bought and paid for by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
I mean, any chair of public health is in there, in Gates's gift.
And she's been massively pushing the vaccine, just massively.
And there was an insert the day before yesterday on Newsround on CBBC.
Oh, I know.
My kids get shown this in school.
Were they shown it?
I think they watch Newsround nearly every day, but there's only so many fights I can have.
So there was a video insert on Newsround in which Devi Sridhar said that the vaccines were 100 percent, those were her words, 100 percent safe for children and that the trials had all shown it to be 100 percent safe.
And completely ignoring the vaccine adverse, the VAERS thing in America, where at least there could be more, at least four children are known to have died.
There've been thousands of adverse reactions.
Yeah.
And then she came up with a line saying, well, yes, and there have been a few, you know, headaches and things like that.
But, she said, it seems a small price to pay because when you encounter the virus for real, you're going to be protected.
But they don't need protection from a virus that doesn't harm them anyway.
Most of them won't even know they've got it when they get it.
No, vaccinating children is a special kind of evil.
It's completely, again, completely unethical.
You're using them instrumentally, right?
This idea that we have to vaccinate them to protect the older population.
I thought you were already vaccinated.
Again, none of it even makes any sense on their own terms, but aren't you already vaccinated, therefore you're protected?
No, no.
And then, but the spin line is, and I've seen people like Tobias Elwood spin it, and it's just disgusting.
You know, well, it will be in their interest, you know, because it'll protect them from their education from being further disrupted.
Well, you could just not close schools.
Yeah, so the choice again is... Disrupted by whom?
Yeah, close the schools or vaccine.
Well, why don't we just not vaccinate them and not close the schools?
We could do that.
You know, that would be normal.
But as I said, you're so far down the rabbit hole and people have accepted lockdown as basically some sort of default position, right?
They've accepted it as a default position.
Therefore, anything that can ameliorate against that allegedly should be done.
That's the paradigm, if that's the right word, that's been set up by the government.
It's clever, but that's exactly what they've done.
This is why you should always challenge the premise of what you're being told, because usually it's complete bullshit, right?
Yeah, so this is how they'll spin it in September.
It'll be, your kid has to get vaccinated or we're going to shut down the schools.
Like I was saying, that's the only choice.
You know, again, it's completely evil.
There's absolutely no ethical reason.
Any doctor giving a child a vaccine is acting completely unethically.
He knows that there is no medical benefit to this and that there could be significant risks.
But nobody seems to care.
I'm not even, you know, parents who do it.
I take a dim view of them.
But a lot of people will, right?
They just want it over, right?
They just want it over.
But I read out to the kids all this.
So if it comes up in the news, you know, people who've died from the vaccine, I just read that out in a calm manner.
I don't say anything else.
I just leave it there.
So yeah, they will try and go behind the parents back as well, especially for the teenagers, as you know, I think as they have been.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In Canada.
Yeah.
So a better offering kind of free ice creams and stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, and did you hear about the degree ceremony where the the kids in the US, where the kids turn up for their degree ceremony?
And there's a there's a table that's been set up for them all to be to be vaccinated.
Well, I mean, a lot of the universities in America have gone really hard line.
A lot of them are not accepting people for the next year unless they're vaccinated.
Now, I expect that we'll have to end up going to the Supreme Court, which, of course, means some individual person has to go and get funded.
Right.
And and take this all the way up to the Supreme.
And it shouldn't even it shouldn't even be.
And they'll lose because because of it.
Justice Roberts is cabal and the rest of the court seems to have been stuffed with.
Well, I wouldn't assume that, but yeah.
Well, I know he likes, I'm aware of his swing status, but they voted, I mean, they opened the churches up in various states like Florida and things, so they haven't always decided, those cases, those few sort of lockdown cases that have gone to the American Supreme Court, most actually have gone anti-lockdown.
Most will have gone our side.
Are you aware that...
um uh soldiers at west point academy they're being put in solitary confinement if they don't have the uh i'm not aware of that i know there was no uptake by the marines um yeah west point cadets this is amazing this is really shocking yeah west point cadets are
Biden's military puts West Point cadets in solitary confinement if they refuse COVID vaccine.
They're being treated like criminals, a whistleblower told National File under conditions of anonymity.
Absolutely horrifying.
700 cadets who initially refused the vaccine were brought together into a meeting room and were briefed as to the benefits of the vaccine.
The number of cadets has now dwindled significantly after allegations of daily pressure by senior officials at the school and rumours of reductions of leaves.
This is completely illegal.
Again, you're going to have to lawyer up on that.
Who's flying into the rescue on that one?
But there aren't many lawyers in America, so how are they going to find them, Laura?
And actually there's a lot of activist right wing lawyers.
So yeah, look, what can you say?
What can you say?
What else are we talking about?
I kind of want to talk about Carrie and Boris's wedding.
You don't?
Tell me about it.
They actually got married in a Catholic church.
Did you not do a double take on that now?
Yes, yes, I did.
The fantastic, fantastic excuse that that that Boris's previous marriages didn't count in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
Is that right?
That is right.
Yeah, I mean, I think it was, I think it was interesting.
Obviously, as a Catholic, I did find just this element of it, in terms of of canon law, etc.
Quite interesting.
I can, I can, but you probably less so.
But yeah, the the irony is, because he was baptized Catholic, he actually was in a better position than if he had just been, say, Church of England, oddly.
Yeah, because if he was Church of England and his previous two marriages were Church of England, they would have counted.
But because he was baptised Catholic, because the Catholic Church recognises those marriages, they're still sacramental marriages, but because he was basically baptised Catholic, he then was bound to get married in a Catholic Church.
And because none of his previous marriages were, and I think the first one was actually nullified under civil law, yeah, they essentially don't count.
And that's why Carrie got her way.
But as you can imagine, a lot of faithful Catholics were cross about this.
I was less cross about it.
And my reply was just, again, you probably think me being naive or hopeful.
Now you know what the brother, the older brother and the prodigal son felt like.
Right?
He did everything.
Oh, totally.
Yeah, he did everything, right?
The younger son goes off and spends all his money on fast women, right, and fast food.
And then he comes back and all is forgiven.
And the thing is, that story is generally very popular story until, again, it's sort of done to you, right?
Until it gets real.
And I just think it's an interesting lesson in that you now know personally if you feel like you're a Catholic and abide by all the rules, and then Boris gets to rock up and get married in a cathedral.
Well, now you know how annoyed the Elder Sun must have felt.
Totally, totally.
And equally, I don't know whether this is relevant or not, but I remember reading the Sword of Honor trilogy.
Have you read that?
No.
And it's worth reading.
I mean, I think it's probably probably War's masterpiece.
And Guy Crouchback, who is a Catholic, and as you know, War was very into the zeal of the convert.
He became a Catholic and was really into Catholicism.
And there is this scene where, at the end, where, spoiler alert, Crouchback I think he can't remarry, basically.
He's, for whatever reason, his faith forbids him from finding the earthly happiness that he might have found with another woman.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's lots, the Catholic Church has got lots going for it.
You know, I like the fact that you've got your Hail Marys, and we haven't, in the Prodi Church, and you've got You've got more history, you've got a lot of stuff going on.
Your stretches on marriage, I mean, I wonder, is that actually God-sent or is that man-made?
No, it's God-sent.
No, I mean, it's in the two of the Gospels, Jesus said, yeah, no divorce, no remarriage I think is the main thing.
So you can separate But you can't remarry while your spouse is alive, unless you can show it's a nullity.
So this is what I'm saying, in terms of Carrie, I was saying to people, you know, the take for me would be, because we keep being told that she's a faithful Catholic, no one can judge, All the risk is hers.
Because if Boris doesn't repent and redeem himself, and I do like a good redemption story, and he does the same again, namely leaves her or has an affair and leaves her, She cannot remarry.
Well, she can civilly divorce, right, and she can remarry in a civil church or a civil ceremony, but she cannot remarry in a Catholic church.
That's forbidden.
And even if she did civilly remarry, the church will view her as living in adultery, in a state of adultery for life, which is incredibly serious.
So the risk is entirely on her side.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
We're talking about I don't think, no, I don't think she's, um, it's God that she serves, put it that way.
So I don't think, I don't think she's going to have any problems there.
No, I don't know.
I don't know.
I think, you know, I think she's about as Catholic as she's about.
She's about as religious as Tony Blair is.
Yeah, well, he's not to me, not very.
To me, he's a lot worse than Boris.
Honestly, he's he's he's just unspeakable.
I mean, Boris didn't start a war causing thousands of innocent lives.
Right.
So he is he's in a lot more trouble, I reckon, than Boris is.
But I mean, I just think, you know, Carrie, she's jumped a lot of hoops for this.
Something is going.
She doesn't have to do it, right?
There's no benefit.
There's no sort of political or social benefit.
Yes there is.
It's what her pay mark is.
She's there.
She's not there because it's not a love match.
Really?
She's a kind of minder.
Well, he does need to be minded, aren't all wives minders?
I'm not joking.
Yeah, that's a kind of light-hearted, real-world comment, which one remembers from two years ago, but really has no place in this one.
I mean, you know, shit just got real.
Yeah, I get that.
You must be beginning to get that.
Yeah, I do.
I'm actually hoping Boris is, in his own flawed way, not going to go full tyranny on this.
So I am now placing all my chips on him.
There you go.
What else can I do?
That may well be a problem.
That is really the only thing you can do, because that's the only thing that's going to... Yeah, well, I mean, the students... The students aren't on the street, are they?
Because they've got some... They've got the wall... They're sorting the wallpaper out in the common room.
The entire media are bought and sold.
I mean, Michael Gove and Matt Hancock are just... They should be in the dock, right?
With Tony Blair.
So, you know, what do you have left?
It's...
You've given me plenty of mature there for a really erotic dream.
Blair in the dock with Cove.
They're bad people.
They are very, very bad people.
They're bad people.
They are very, very bad people.
That's all you can say.
So we will, yeah, we'll see.
But as I said, what isn't important is the name of Harry's daughter and the decor of some common room somewhere in Oxford.
Oh, yes.
So, just tell me briefly.
I understand that Meghan has spawned.
And the baby is in a tremendous trolling exercise has been called Lilibet, which is the childhood nickname of the Queen.
But something else happened that I'm not afraid with because I don't read the papers, but I caught out of the corner of my eye something about.
Has there been some trouble over this or not?
The lawyers have been called in, as usual, you know, which is incredible in a way.
Because, what happened?
Yeah, the lawyers have been called in.
Again, Ivo, this is only from the headlines.
I think the BBC ran with, the Queen wasn't consulted.
Harry and Meg were like, of course she was consulted.
This is defamation.
You know, we're calling in lawyers.
Oh, really?
So the Queen has actually lashed out?
Look, honestly, James, you probably know much about it as I do, because it's terribly tedious.
When will we ever be rid of this nonsense?
And it's Oh, yeah.
But again, it's Megan has managed to take down two other random people who've decided to comment on this, by the way.
You know, Julie, what's her name?
Birchall?
I don't want to get them wrong, because you know how you can get them mixed up.
Yeah, fired from the Telegraph.
And then some barrister fired over tweeting some nonsense.
Sorry, what?
Come again?
Ah, you see, you see, I bring news!
Yeah, now look, do not defend her, because also, I just want to go back, sometimes... Who am I defending?
I'm just digesting the news.
Let me just do it, because I don't want to defend the other Julie, or defame the other Julie.
Yes, you tell me.
Sometimes, as I say, again, I hope this is because of my Christian background, is that all you have to say in a situation is congratulations.
Right, that's all that needs to be said, because A, it's not an important story, and B, just, you know, just don't be mean, kind of thing.
But no, Julie Burchill got into a thing.
Julie Burchill says she's been sacked by the Telegraph after racist tweets about Harry and Meghan's baby, Lilibeth.
I think she had tweeted that they should have named it
something what was it um i forget what her proposal was something non-funny non just georgiana florid yeah floydina right not not funny that's pretty racist and probably racist i think just so racist are you being sarcastic no no but seriously george floyd um a a fentanyl addict who died of fentanyl and then some other
Yeah.
About being arrested.
He's like a saint.
And some other barrister then tweeted back saying, oh, they should have called it like Oprah or Doria Oprah or something.
I mean, don't you have anything better to do?
Well, we're actually talking about them, so you could say the same thing.
But, you know, you're grown women.
You are.
I am.
I am.
Yeah, you're grown women.
But I just think it's interesting how many people Megan seems to take down, right?
Took down randomly, just by existing.
Piers Morgan, no loss there.
The king of the editors, he had to resign.
Now Julie Burchill.
Oh, by the way, no, it's relevant because I remember the day before seeing a headline of hers in the Telegraph because I don't have a subscription and I never buy them, I never read them because they're vile.
It was something like, You know, standing in the queue for my vaccine, for my second jab, it made me proud of, you know, humanity's greatness.
So when I found out then that she was fired, as you can imagine, I mean, you can only imagine what that article said, right?
You said Julie Birchall tweeted out about how that's what she said about her second jab.
So now I have to get, so now I'm going to go onto the Telegraph website and try and find that, the headline to that article.
Yeah, yeah.
But she's been totally like, she, she has provided again, zero opposition to any of this.
So same with Piers Morgan, all these people get fired, you know, I couldn't care less.
I couldn't care less.
Right?
It's just.
Yeah, let me put it in.
Do you know what's going to happen next show?
Next show we do.
You're going to have a nurse sitting next to you and you're going to say, James, I finally realised that vaccines are the only way forward and I'm going to have this jab done live and then I'm going to do my children next week.
That's what you're going to say to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that's not going to happen.
Right, this is it.
This is the, I love this.
My pride in the human race has reached fever pitch.
Standing in the queue for my second vaccine, I was overwhelmed with love for humanity at large.
Maybe she was being given MDMA injections instead of Covid, because that would work.
I'd go with that.
Yeah, and then, of course, they actually ask you to pay for this drivel, right?
Looking back, blah, blah, blah, it seems the height of irony that I once called the years between 2010 and 30, the troubled teens, with Trump, Brexit and the culture wars, has ceased its malevolent backbeats in the sense... Anyway, I can't even, yeah.
Yeah, so you can only imagine what that... If you've got a code for the telegraph, it'll probably be worth just... Well, no, I'm really glad.
I'm really glad that you are.
You are so much more lowbrow than me and you've really kept me abreast of all the crap that the normies, the normies are into, like Megan's Spawn and Julie Burchill getting kind of de-platformed for racism in it.
And it's great.
I am often berated, my wife often berates me for this, for my ignorance of stories that I should know about because I don't read the papers anymore.
But I can't say I miss them.
Isn't there a scene from the very early bit of The Thick of It where one of the handlers has to put together a video on popular culture for the minister before he goes on question time?
Oh, I like that.
No, I don't.
I'd like to see that.
I don't know anything.
I mean, I pride myself on knowing very little about, like, Strictly Come Dancing and stuff.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, we obviously need to do that.
I have never, I have never seen Come Dancing, ever.
But it's part of the agenda.
I can't hear you.
Maybe it's fine.
Yeah, but the thing is, these side stories are part of the agenda, because as you say, they're a distracting part of the agenda, right?
So this is why you have to keep a sort of a vague overview of what random columnists are saying that and managed to get themselves fired over.
You know, she'd never be so edgy to say, yeah, vaccine coercion is unethical.
Lockdowns are evil.
We need to stop that.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
There's a two year, there's a two day old baby over here that I need to comment on.
Seriously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, but, you know, they're partly required to do that as part of their, They've got editors saying, look, look, can you find me something to talk about other than Covid?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they they normally say crap like our readers aren't interested.
Our readers have got fatigue or there's always some bullshit reason why the only story that the only game in town is not is not relevant.
And we need just more bread and circuses.
But at the same time, that is that is the deal you make when you write for the mainstream media.
They are all horse.
Everyone is a whore.
Actually, I think I think you're insulting, you know, prostitutes when you say that.
Yes.
Yeah, because I mean, they probably have more respect for their own bodily integrity than the people like who are second line up for the second second job are, you know, I think being unfair, you know, certainly certain prostitutes, the ones that are under the thumb of a pimp.
And yeah, I guess they're they they have someone else's agenda.
Yeah.
Laura, let's have a big shout out to any any prostitutes or whatever they want to call themselves who like this program.
I total respect for what you do.
And good luck.
You are much, much better people than the than the media.
Yeah.
Well, I'm a journalist.
Selling your values is almost worse, right?
I mean, these journalists are selling you.
Yeah.
Glover has betrayed the English language.
And they're selling their souls, which we know is probably worse than selling your body.
And again, they should know better, and they're in a better position than a lot of... I'm just going to quickly Google Stephen Glover to see what... I mean, I bet his establishment through and through.
Yeah, yeah.
Was there something else?
I've done Carrie and... I bet he's Oxbridge.
Of course he's Oxford.
Dominic Cummings' evidence we didn't really go into because it was a long time ago, but he's completely insane.
And anyone who could look at him and say... He basically seemed to be upset that he didn't, and these were his own words, have a large panic button on his table that he could press in January and everybody would do what he says.
I mean, he's... Okay.
Right?
Is that... Stephen Glover.
Oh yeah, go on.
Educated at the same school as Richard Ingrams and Christopher Booker, Shrewsbury.
Excellent, excellent school.
Lovely location, you know, very fine, fine public school.
Shropshire, beautiful part of the country.
I mean, if you've been educated there, you would think you would understand everything that matters about this country, why it's what's special about it.
OK.
He then went to Mansfield College, Oxford.
Yeah.
I mean, Mansfield, it's not it's not.
I remember when I got interviewed for Mansfield.
And I thought, please, God, don't let me get don't let me get accepted because I obviously I wanted to get into Christchurch.
And luckily I did.
So he went to Moscow.
So maybe he's maybe he's bitter about that.
But really, I mean, this guy is establishment and he well, the establishment are disgusting, aren't they?
They are disgusting.
They are disgusting.
Other news.
Here's someone who we're going to add to the wall of shame is Judith Woods, a fellow Catholic I do believe.
She ran a very nasty, all children should wear face masks, seat or piece.
But I can't...
Again, it's only the headline.
It's the, are we allowed to challenge passengers who put bags on empty seats?
Yes.
Or is it still banned under COVID rules?
I don't know what that is.
Do you think anyone ever reads or takes anything she writes seriously?
It all adds up, though.
It's all part of the river, right?
The river can go that way, and the river can go that way.
And obviously there are bigger people part of the river, and there are smaller people part of the river, but it's all part of the whole overall narrative.
It all counts.
If one person writes it, it counts.
You know, this will all be accounted for, I think, I hope, in the final way up.
It will.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
So Stephen Cooper, part of the staff.
Yeah, they're there.
Of course they are.
They're all.
But they will view, they will think they either are untouchable or have a lot to lose.
So.
You know, it's.
Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
OK.
I like that one.
It's going to be great.
It's going to be great, Laura.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, you yeah, I'm sure I'm pretty sure we are on the right side.
Otherwise, we're in a lot of trouble.
It's quite interesting, isn't it?
Yes.
That you're a Catholic, you know, you're a you're a you're a proper you're a proper Catholic.
I mean, this.
Yeah, there are there aren't many people who are who are fighting the fight.
And I think, you know, Yeah, as I said, you just have to be prudent about these things, you know, especially things like the vaccine.
Is it really?
You know, again, where is the left in all of this?
These people are always revealing massive state scandals, right?
Like, in fact, I think the left right, the left right paradigm is.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't ever because it's quite interesting.
I mean, I've been doing a bit of research on this.
The the.
The very, very, very rich people are often funding left wing agitprop more than they are funding right.
They probably fund right.
Allegedly right wing think tanks, but they also they fund both sides.
It's just designed to.
Well, because then you're in a better position.
You can influence both sides, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I definitely think that's right.
Yeah, I definitely think probably the last five, 10 years they have, you know, rather like Like Thatcher, who I think initially lost against the miners and then made sure all the police were properly tooled up for the second time around.
They haven't taken any chances.
They've infiltrated the academy, they've infiltrated all the papers, they've infiltrated the academy, the papers, and all the things.
When people say, oh, well, but everybody says that we should get this, and everybody says we should do this, and you're like, yeah, what are the chances everybody would think the same on this issue?
Doesn't that alone raise concerns?
Right?
Engage the brain.
So there it is.
I think we've given Definitely, people's money's worth, especially given most people are watching for free.
May I remind everyone, if you love this stuff, and I know you do, don't forget to support me on Patreon, Subscribestar, or on my delingpoleworld.com and read Conservative Woman.
It's the last publication standing, frankly.
It is.
I haven't been doing the research, but there's a lot of really great research piece out there as well.
And not just, you know, yeah, this, especially today, there's some good... Yeah, who would have thought that an online conservative site Would be the last, would be the last outpost of honest journalism.
Well, we're not establishment, so that's why.
By the way, just just briefly before we go, I was, I was, I was mentioning you, you conservative woman, to a friend who'd never heard of it.
And she said, I think I rather object to, you know, this, this genderization, the idea that it's bad.
And I said, well, probably they called it Conservative Woman because they wanted conservative in the title.
And there were probably lots of options they couldn't choose because the domains had already been taken.
But why did you call it Conservative Woman?
Well, it was just, yeah, I mean, the thing is, we do get that a fair bit, all right.
Or you say, well, men, you know, men don't read it as much.
Well, because I felt at the time, this is going back, I forget how long, maybe six, seven years, that most women or most female journalists were on the left, right?
And it was just, I just felt that, yeah, it was more, so that's the reason why.
We could change it now, but then, you know, you sort of, it's a big headline change like that would be.
Would be an issue, but yeah.
You know what you could call it?
Because this is very fashionable.
You could call it... You'd take all the vowels out.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
That's true.
If I were a branding... Yeah, or a person of conservative persuasion.
Although that isn't quite... If I were a branding consultant... Yeah.
That's what I would do.
And you would pay me about 100 grand for that.
A conservative woman.
Yes.
So just think about that.
Or put some X's in.
Or just call it GB website.
The website where you can go to get exactly the same stuff as you get everywhere else.
I don't know what you're getting at there, yeah.
I'm getting it, I'm getting it.
Actually, I read somewhere, actually, deep, deep down in the left wing bowels of the internet, I didn't know there was that.
Supposedly, Andrew Neil, this may have changed.
I'm being mean, laughing.
Andrew Neil is stuck in France right now.
Is he?
But it could be wrong.
That could have changed.
But I read it from a not very reliable place.
That is stuck in France, which, as you know, is in the amber list.
I think they're due to launch... I don't know when they're due to launch, but it's too much.
It's too... yeah.
Sums it up, right?
Yeah.
It does sum it up, yeah.
It sums it up.
So, anyway, on that note... All right, I'm going to make some coffee.
Thank you, everybody.
Okay, take it easy.
I enjoyed seeing your garden.
Yeah.
Bye everyone.
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