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May 29, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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James and Laura's Chinwag #22
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You have to sound serious though.
What I've decided to do today is not wear the jumper over my tattersall check shirt.
And what this does is it gives people like a kind of, what are they called, those pictures that you stare at that do all different shapes.
Oh, where you say, what do you see?
And you say axe murderer and stuff like that.
Yeah.
And also if you look at, if you look at Viz sometimes, you know, Viz comic.
Yeah.
And then Roger Melly, the man on the telly.
Sometimes they just, they just paste this stuff on, on his shirt.
Like, like, you know, crosses or whatever, just like to, to save them the trouble of having to draw it.
So I'm looking like that.
I'm like Roger Melly.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Very good.
Well, I'll try.
And also I put the background.
Is it actually sunny where you are?
I can't... There has been no sun down here for literally two weeks or something.
It's... I would say that it is... It looks really bright.
Yeah, there's clouds, but there are some nice bits.
But it's been awful.
It's been awful.
Although, weirdly enough, You're not recording, by the way.
Oh, you are recording.
Yeah, go on.
Yeah.
When I've gone riding... Yes.
...weirdly, I've never been rained on.
Yes.
Well, I know.
I mean, this... I could even take showers of rain if there were some sunny days.
There has been... I've been born... I mean, there has literally been no sun.
It's like we've been forsaken, honestly.
I feel like I'm living in Egypt, circa, you know, Moses time.
I hope you weren't just using those words metaphorically.
I mean, I think that is what's happening.
Really?
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
I think that I haven't read this, but somebody told me that the planet is going through some kind of asteroid belt or something that gives us extraordinary weather phenomena.
Well, I didn't hear that.
Amazing skies and things.
Oh no, I just heard that the, you know, the, the, what do you call it?
The Gulf Stream has been pushed down and we're trapped in, in, in that.
That's bollocks.
Anything, anything involved.
I have, I have satellite broadband.
Drops out.
I can't tell you how annoying it is.
It particularly does it in podcasts.
It does it at key moments in podcasts.
It's like, It's like, it makes me look so unprofessional.
I mean, obviously I am unprofessional, but it makes me look really unprofessional.
And it's just incredibly annoying.
And I keep getting men around to the house to replace the little thing on the dish.
They don't seem to understand that having internet is not an option if you're a journalist.
You know, it's not optional.
It's actually essential.
And the idea that they're charging me whatever it is, £60 a month for this satellite that Drops out when it wants to.
It's just crazy.
Yeah.
So anyway, yeah, what were we talking about?
We're talking about the mysterious weather.
We were talking about the weather, but then after you dropped out.
Oh, environmentalists.
Oh yeah, I thought we were all going to be like, you know, burnt to a crisp.
I'm waiting for my global warming.
In a way, you know, you know how people like to wind up enviro-loons by saying, I could do with a bit more global warming, haha, you know, whatever, whenever, whenever it's, it's, it's bad outside.
But actually it's true that the people's common sense is much, much more reliable than what the eco loons tell us about.
I mean, if I, if I could go around lecturing children about the environment, what I would say to them is the entire edifice.
of the of the environmental industry is riddled with worms and with woodworm and rust.
And it is just a paper thin construct.
It's it has no it has no reality.
It's all the predictions about global warming are they exist only on computer models.
Yeah, it's all it's all our friend the computer model.
Yes, it's it's Neil Ferguson all over again.
Yeah.
And and yet there's still one of the things I get so filled with despair about this country is, you know, never mind, never mind the covid overreaction.
You've also got this government which is absolutely committed to all these carbon neutral targets and and things like punishing people for having the wrong kind of boiler in their phone, in their home, insisting they have these These new boilers, which only heat the house, heat the water to about 20 degrees.
The new boilers just don't do their job.
They're like a step back in civilization.
They take us back to the fall of the 19th century.
That's what they want.
They want us all eating plant-based food.
Yeah, well I know they push the insect thing a lot, as we've talked about before.
No, I know.
I mean, you know, the big leap was being able to cook your meat.
That's what allowed humans to become so intelligent so quickly.
And they lie!
I've told you about that thing, haven't I?
Game changers.
Oh, go on.
No.
One evening...
We were, um, the wife and I were sitting around wondering what the hell to watch on Netflix.
Yes.
And we saw this, this promoted series called Game Changers.
Okay.
And Game Changers, it starts off, it's very compelling with this guy.
Hi, I'm, I'm a world mixed martial arts champion.
I'm really fit.
I'm fitter than you could ever be.
And I used to be a carnivore till I realized that being a vegan is the way forward.
I used to be able to do a hundred skipping rope minutes in the gym.
Now I can do 10,000.
Here I am in the gym.
So you see all this stuff.
And then they've got these Marines or these soldiers and they give them bits of tofu or whatever.
And they do blood tests and they measure their erections.
I'm sorry to use the word erections to a nice Catholic girl.
Things like this.
And they come up with it.
So basically, if you go vegan, you have longer staying power in bed, you are fitter, you are... And we were looking at this and we were thinking, well, we'd better go vegan then.
And that lasted all of 24 hours.
We realised the problem about going vegan is you can't eat bloody meat.
You can't eat anything.
I mean, you can't eat dairy.
You can't.
Also, here's the thing, the really upsetting thing.
This upsets me.
It was all just bollocks.
It's all propaganda.
It was produced by some company.
You have to look on the internet.
It's been deconstructed and debunked.
But it was funded by the kind of people who are investing in pea protein.
Probably Bill Gates, people like that are involved in it.
The whole vegan thing is a scam analogous to the climate change scam.
It's all designed by people who hate us to control us and destroy us.
No, I mean, again, it's a matter of common sense.
You just know that if you cut out not just all your meat, but all fish and all dairy, that things are not going to end well.
I mean, you just haven't evolved to sustain yourself on a plant-based meat.
I mean, I have some sympathy for that we're going to reduce our meat intake.
That's part of the lie, Laura.
It's the softening up thing.
Vegetarianism has been around for a while.
I can live with the vegetarians, but this idea, as I said, that you're not even going to eat any dairy, that you're not going to eat anything, it's just madness.
I do think cutting at red meat is really bad for you as well.
But yeah, it's a complete scam.
No cheese.
I mean, how can you, how couldn't you survive without eating lots of cheese?
And how are the kids, where are the kids going to get their calcium from then?
Have we have, well they just have us all taking pills, I suppose.
More pills, more, more, more money for the pharmaceutical racket, right?
Yeah, no, it's, it's another racket.
As you said, it's another, it's another thing pushed by the media.
Again, the majority of people do not, are not interested in it at all, but they're telling us that actually You know, chocolate-covered locusts are delicious.
Have that instead of your chocolate mousse.
And I've noticed a few articles as well really pushing how the dim-witted New Yorkers are willing to pay astronomical amounts of money to eat in vegan restaurants.
Have you seen this?
The fancy restaurants have gone vegan.
So this is obviously to sell it to, I don't know, gullible middle-class Brits, perhaps, who want to.
Obviously, the working class wouldn't fall for that kind of crap.
The gullible middle class people might.
Oh, you're going to drop out again.
Yeah.
So, you know, if you go to New York, blah, blah, blah, restaurant has gone all vegan and you can pay, you know, 70 quid for a lettuce.
And you're just like, yeah, these people also vote Democrat all the time.
So I don't care what they do.
Hang on, if that lettuce has been hung for a long time, if it's been hung for 40 days, then it probably is worth it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's probably been fed on beer.
Yeah, I know.
It's complete nonsense.
Speaking of outrageous nonsense, because when we dropped out, I snuck back onto Twitter for a second and I haven't seen the whole quote.
So, Jeremy Hunt pushing vaccinations on children.
This is the latest.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's extraordinary, isn't he?
It's not just... They are just... I mean, this is monstrous.
And it cannot be justified at all under any simple medical ethics analysis.
But what they will say, again, as usual, because I saw this line floated months ago, what they will say is, well, it is ethical to vaccinate the children, even though there is statistically, obviously, zero risk to children from COVID.
Zero.
Because if we don't get herd immunity, which we have to get through vaccinating kids, well, we'll have to close all the schools down again, so therefore they do benefit.
They're just making it up.
That's a completely made up fact.
But it's also, again, it's that you're basically using a state threat, like we're going to say, suspend your education.
OK, yeah, we can argue about how good the education is.
But we're going to spend the education.
You're a fundamental right, unless you get, yeah, again, an experimental vaccine.
I mean, they're just evil.
I mean, no doctor is justified in giving that vaccine to a child.
It is, as I say, it's not justifiable on basic medical ethics because it's entirely to save, you know, the 80 year old.
I mean, even all that analysis is probably wrong, but that's as high as they can go, you know.
Have you seen the, I watched the recent Dolores Cahill No, I didn't.
She was interviewed by Australian TV.
She's very measured and very forthright.
She's at UCD.
That was my old university in Ireland.
I mean, she's got credentials coming out of her ears, hasn't she?
She's definitely a credible witness.
And what she says is that the moment a doctor or a nurse or anyone else penetrates you with a needle and you have not given them informed consent.
Yes, I have tweeted this.
That is a form of assault.
And the idea that apparently in Canada, which is which of course is probably the ground zero for stupidity.
Yeah.
Or for this sort of COVID tyranny.
They've even said that children can get so-called vaccinated, without their parents' permission?
Yeah, well they'll do the same here.
They'll run it along as sort of a Gillick-competent line.
I mean, they can do all sorts to your children if you let them.
I mean, you can say the same for, you know, performing abortions on underage children, for doing all this transgender nonsense.
All they have to say is, the case is Gillick, as long as they sort of know the risks generally, blah blah blah, that they can They can have, they can give consent.
These are the same people who remember if your then underage daughter decides to go off and be an ISIS bride, oh well she didn't know what she was doing.
Right.
If it's that, then she didn't really consent to that.
And she was groomed and she was manipulated.
So they can't be groomed and manipulated into, you know, taking hormone treatment, having abortions or getting dodgy vaccines.
Pick whichever you like the least.
But again, when it suits them, oh yeah, no, no, no.
They can consent to that.
But yes, when it comes to something like You know, I want to be an Isis bride.
I know, but they were groomed.
That's not their choice.
I mean, the thing is, and I would apply this principle across the board, is basically most of them don't know what they're doing until what, 25?
Because your prefrontal cortex doesn't develop.
That's why you don't get into a car with a 16 year old boy.
Because he's an idiot.
And he doesn't know, you know, he has no concept of risk.
They genuinely have no concept.
Of risk and the idea that they can sort of analyze long term consequences to any medical treatment.
Which is why we have things like, you know, the age of 18 being a kind of gateway to adult experiences.
And while we have laws to protect children from themselves, because as you say, their frontal lobes haven't formed properly.
They can't make rational decisions.
And I tell you, my big worry is that a lot of these kids are going to say things like, well, you know, I do ket, and that's illegal.
And they say I shouldn't do that, but it's never done me any harm, or I'll do, you know, I've taken E. And they imagine that this experimental mRNA therapy is no different from the kind of illicit drugs they take anyway.
They don't understand that it's an order of difference, that they're playing with fire, and that the potential long-term consequences are appalling.
They'll never get their bodies back.
Well, of course, this is why I say you shouldn't take illicit drugs anyway, right?
So I am, I am sort of, you know, consistent, sort of all along.
I mean, again, if you want, if you want to leave, I go down, you know, the Christian Catholicism road, you start off with basically you have this like perfect body, okay, that science hasn't come even close to replicating.
In terms of, you know, it's it's ingenious in terms of how everything works together.
Yes, obviously, it's prone to breaking down like 80 years later or is prone to illness, the vast majority of which would be beaten by your own miraculous immune system.
Right.
So I think they've tried to grow skin and skin and labs, for instance.
And again, they barely you know, they can basically haven't even come close.
That's just one organ.
So your default position should always be whatever you're putting in your body or to your body is just going to cause any long term damage.
And your body is genuinely a temple.
And your first position is, as we go back to the medical, is do no harm.
They justify all sorts of nonsense now, you know, and most of so don't take the experimental vaccine.
It will cause you harm.
Don't, you know, over drink.
Don't take your dodgy, dodgy drugs.
And even going back to the food thing, don't fill up on carbs.
Again, it's a matter of common sense, but people knew this implicitly.
And I think I saw this on a tweet of yours, or you had retweeted it, that somebody had a photograph from A beach like 50 years ago, and everybody was quite slim.
Not like crazy slim, but a bit slim.
It was just nice.
Yeah, exactly.
And someone said like, you just wouldn't get that now.
I mean, you can only imagine if you took a photograph of the beach now.
And again, this is the food industry.
A massive attack by the food industry.
And it's the same thing.
I feel sorry for people who are obese, because I think there's stuff going on there.
But it is an abuse.
It is a basic abuse of your body.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you can't get in front of it.
If you're next level down the rabbit hole, what you realise is that this is all planned.
I mean, that...
We have been deliberately starved of nutrients.
We've been steered deliberately to forms of diet which are not good to us.
I mean, Ancel Keys is responsible for an awful lot of, of, um, well, I mean, ill health apart from anything else, obesity, all the, yeah, the move away from meat and dairy, simple carbohydrates and sugars and so on.
This is all, this was all came from on high.
And you couldn't, because there is a book on it actually.
I didn't read the book, but I read around it and it's exactly the same thing as it is now.
If you dared question the orthodoxy at the time, you know, that red meat and dairy will kill you and that this great new sort of half Mediterranean diet, half pasta, you know, stuff will liberate us all.
Well, you were, yeah, you were a conspiracy theorist.
I mean, you were just a nut.
Yeah.
So it's, I'm afraid, you know, it is the same.
It's all, it's all the same side of the coin.
Again, if you, if you, it isn't, evil forces would love attacking the human body.
They really do.
Because I think it is made in the image of God, etc.
Even if you want to be scientific about it, it is scientifically incredible.
I think a lot of joy is taken seeing people destroy their own bodies, especially if they do it themselves.
Yes.
So again, people taking their own lives in the Covid pandemic.
This is the ultimate victory, if you will, I think, for the dark forces, because you have destroyed your own.
You did it to yourself.
Laura, you are you are totally talking my language.
No.
Yeah.
No.
Well, I'm going to finish on this one thing, because I saw this thing yesterday, James, and it is totally linked to the vaccine.
We can go back to the vaccine thing.
You probably haven't heard of this actress, Elliot Page.
Have you heard of this actress?
So there's this actress, and she's transgender, right?
and Elia Page is her name now, I don't know how much of her name she's saying, but she's transgender, right?
So this woman feels that womanhood is not for her, and she now wants to be a man.
She starred in the film Juno, which is actually quite a pro-life, is a pro-life film.
And she's very petite, beautiful, long hair, really attractive young, well, to me, young girl.
Anyway, she's done the whole top surgery.
And I just, I just looked at these.
Yeah.
And she's in swimming trunks and she's put the photograph on Instagram.
I just looked at this photograph and it's not that I'm angry with her.
I'm just like, this is one of the saddest things I have ever seen.
That whatever has gone on with this woman, she has essentially, or a surgeon, again, if you go back to the medical profession, and I'm sick of people putting medical profession on pedestals now.
I'm really done with it.
You know, some surgeon has basically Butchered this girl.
And it's a tragedy.
It is an actual tragedy.
You know, as someone said, you can make yourself less feminine, but this idea that you can sort of build a man from a woman is a complete lie.
And it is, and they're doing, I mean, she's an adult, but they're praying on children as well.
And it is just evil.
It's completely evil.
If you want to be quite a masculine woman, then go ahead.
I don't really have to do it.
But yeah, it is really sad to see.
Really, really sad.
And again, you did all these transgender surgeons, particularly in America, preying on these kids.
And there's money involved in all of this.
There's money in this.
There's money in the vaccine, fucking pharmaceutical industry.
The food industry, you know, just, just ask yourself who, who was benefiting, you know, and, and, um, even some of the mainstream media, leftist media in the U S are now picking up on it and going, Ooh, well, you know, you 16 year old girl, you were, you were pushed down this path pretty quick, because I do think there's going to be a lot of class actions in about 10 years time.
You know, hopefully that will happen and they'll be just utterly destroyed.
Cause you only need to say, class actions against the against the vaccine industry because that's going to be well of course there isn't going to be because because they've been indemnified but i think there's isn't there a get out clause where rather they they can't escape totally because if they if they're if they're discovered deliberately to have withheld information or to
I don't think, as we said last week, I don't think the vaccine industry or the governments will get their comeuppance with COVID because it's been government backed.
The other sort of, you know, things that haven't had full government backing like this ridiculous transgender craze or, you know, other things, they are still more to the side or niche.
So they may not be protected ultimately, especially if there's a swing in public opinion, which I think there probably will be.
But people are completely invested in the Covid situation.
Before we just go back to the Covid thing, the vaccine thing, you were talking about just say no kids, just say no to drugs.
Have you seen my Gerry Marzinski podcast?
No, you keep it.
But I did listen to your nurse podcast.
No, I didn't see that.
Is this your latest, latest one?
No, no.
Jane Malzinski is the psychiatrist in America who treats, who's had great success treating schizophrenics.
And basically the voices that they hear are real.
They're actually, they actually are, they actually are demon creatures.
I mean, that's right.
Spoiler alert, because I'm just going to ruin the, ruin the entire podcast, which is an hour and a half, two and two and a half hours.
But anyway, what's interesting about it is that the worst drug for that kind of thing is crystal meth.
It's a kind of gateway that they get you.
But I'm sure that if you do DMT, you know this one?
It's called, I think, the businessman's trip or something, because you can do it over lunchtime.
It's a concentrated form of some kind of South American hallucinogen.
Yeah.
When everyone has taken that, I quite want to take it.
They see these little grey men.
They are there.
I mean, everyone's had the same experience.
So they are there.
So I think you're absolutely right about these these these kind of otherworldly creatures.
They're not.
Yeah, I wouldn't mess with it.
Right.
I mean, I wouldn't take these things lightly, you know, and then you've also had the, you know, the painkiller addictions in America that will that will kill more people in Covid.
That's still a scandal going on.
And yet the papers are willing to go over to pharmaceutical companies for that, right, for overselling really strong painkillers.
But they think they're sort of angels when it comes to this Covid vaccine.
Did you see, I was just looking up his name, the interview with the America's top doctor?
Oh, this is the short one.
Is he short?
Well, I think I saw a clip of it on your on your Twitter feed.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, no, it's very good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I thought that I thought that really interesting.
What is his name?
I'm going to be on your feet.
Yes, it will be.
But I'll have to shoot Jeremy.
Yeah.
Anyway.
While I'm waiting for this thing to load up, I thought the most interesting and damning thing was where he was absolutely adamant that there are many cheap available effective treatments for coronavirus which completely obviate the need for any vaccines.
You know, he's talking about ivermectin, he's talking about hydroxychloroquine, And that's almost the most scandalous thing about this whole fake pandemic, whatever.
The fact that lots of people have been allowed to die who didn't need to die because the medical establishment did not want these treatments to work in order to justify vaccines, which are much less effective and much more dangerous.
Yeah, I mean, I agree.
I agree.
It's been an absolute, um, again, depending on how far.
Yeah.
The vaccines, as you say, I mean, they're just, just not necessary for most people.
And I don't, I just don't buy this herd immunity or the numbers have gone down, but the numbers went down this time.
Well, the numbers went down last summer and there was no vaccine, you know, I mean, I just, oh, I'm supposedly it was in the times of 10,000 people in America have caught Covid despite being double vaccinated.
I mean, it's probably a very large population.
Maybe it says that the vaccine isn't doing its job as a vaccine.
This isn't the whole point about vaccines.
They protect you from catching something and presumably from spreading it as well.
No, I know.
And I mean, yeah, I remember you can still spread it.
And I mean, again, the fact that they're coming, they're coming after the kids is it's just, I mean, it's predictable, but it's absolutely disgusting.
It's just completely, it's completely unethical.
Oh, yeah.
And then, you know, they're desperate, because I think I was talking to you about this earlier, the venom.
against those who won't take the vaccine, as we've discussed before, but has really been heightened over the last week, is astounding.
Even in a country with a massive vaccine uptake.
So that's clearly coordinated, right?
Because no one must refuse.
Not a single thing.
There can't be any resistance.
Because, you know, maybe that resistance might grow.
But I was talking to you about that Seán O'Grady piece, just for the sake of the viewers.
Yes, and this week, since Seán O'Grady.
Yeah, I mean, this really disgusting piece by Seán O'Grady, who, OK, I get most people don't know, because he writes for the Independent, that most people don't read.
But the fact that somebody would actually write that, And what it said was, again, he went with the no, if you don't get, fine, don't get your job.
We can't force you.
Fine.
But then you don't get a job and your children can't go to state education.
And again, I love the one where they say, and you can't get any treatment on our blessed NHS, which essentially means then you can die, right?
Because that includes refusing a life-saving treatment.
And yeah, basically a complete system of apartheid.
And then at the end, he finishes by saying, you know, people with vaccines are essentially killers and should be treated accordingly.
You know, and you're like, this is just now, this is properly vicious.
You know, because as I tweeted, well, you know, you're actually if somebody is close to you and you view them as a killer, you're entitled to take reasonable action against them.
You know, you can act in self-defense.
So what exactly is he proposing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, vicious.
And this is the associate editor of a national newspaper.
You can't buy it anymore, can you?
It's not.
No, it's online.
It's online.
But it's a bit like it's a bit like Teen Vogue.
Yeah, but, you know, these pieces, they do influence people.
Oh, they do, they do.
Or the fact that it'd be printed, or an editor would say, yeah, let's send that one out, you know, let's really go for it.
It is disgusting.
And then I saw Richard, is it Rick that's stupid?
Richard Medley.
Yes, I was moving on to him.
Who would ever have imagined that Richard Medley, our hero, the guy we looked up to so much, is in fact a complete fascist dick.
Who would have imagined that?
Was he anti-lockdown, someone said?
I think he might have been.
So that's even weirder.
It's like he's been got at.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But again, he's essentially proposing a ghettoisation for people who aren't vaccinated.
Conveniently, those up in in North of England.
So it's all disgusting.
It's outrageous.
It's definitely outrageous.
I'm definitely not persuaded by the line you sometimes hear from people who say, oh, it's only Richard Madeley.
Oh, it's only the Express.
Oh, it's only the Independent.
This is all part of a conditioning process.
They are seeding the idea in the public's mind that vaccine sceptics or anti-vaxxers are pariahs and should be treated as such.
And it's planting the idea in their minds now in a time when we've got relative stability.
But this will come back to haunt us when things get worse.
And I think I said this on London Calling, that I'm very worried that when we start getting the hospitals filling up with people having AGE reactions to these vaccines, which Delores Dolores Cahill and a few others, Mike Yeadon are saying, and even Luke Montagne, the guy who was involved in isolating the alleged HIV virus.
He was quite involved with Fauci and stuff.
Montagne says that everyone who's taken the vaccine is basically fucked.
Um, which is, which is quite scary.
I mean, given that they, you know, if they get a flu in next season, it will.
If you look in, in the, in the animal tests, either half the animals died or all the animals died.
Um, these, these spike proteins, they mess up with the walls of your cells.
They damage your immune system.
They are.
They're kind of like an accident waiting to happen.
They're waiting for their moment to get you.
In fact, I don't know.
I haven't read enough about this, but something's always struck me about the Spanish flu, which is this.
More people, I think, died in 1918, 1919 of the Spanish flu than died in the First World War.
Yes, that is true.
Which we think of as one of the kind of meat grinding machine that destroyed so many.
But the flu killed more.
It's always puzzled me why we so we know so little about the Spanish flu.
I mean, I think I know of two books that have been written about it.
I've read read one of them and it treated it didn't didn't mention what I'm about to say which is that I've heard that The people who died of Spanish flu were actually people who'd been vaccinated.
Have you heard this?
No, I didn't.
Was there even a vaccination around?
Well, you see, yeah, there was.
There was a vaccination program.
Now, this is definitely worth looking into.
I could be talking bollocks, but if that is the case, it would make sense why we know so little about the Spanish flu, because it was like a sort of dry run for what's coming around the corner with these A.D.E.
reactions.
That would be frightening, wouldn't it?
No, I mean it is, it is frightening.
Obviously you hope that we're wrong, right, and that it will be fine long term, that perhaps the worst thing about it is just the side effects from the vaccine and that there isn't a knock-on.
Like you've had the menopause and you start having... Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I sent you that.
That's terrifying, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean... And that girl in Cyprus who died, the model, Oh, I thought it was iffy.
I did see that.
That was even reported in the Times.
So you can only imagine.
Eventually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like what, she was only 30 or something, took the vaccine and died.
Terrible.
Completely needlessly.
Yes.
Look, as you say, who knows?
But you reckon if that happens, it'll all be blamed on the unvaccinated?
Yeah, it'll be blamed on the unvaccinated kids.
One of the lessons that we've surely learned by now, those of us who are awake, is that the government has been lying to us with impunity because it has not been held to account by the media at all.
No, media propaganda model.
And again, the doctors and the nurse have mostly participated in this experiment.
They've deliberately covered up, you know, we've heard this in my podcast with the whistleblower, Nina, that they've actually suppressed information which might persuade patients not to take the vaccine.
And they've also taught patients out of reporting it to the yellow card system.
Because, no, you've had blood clots.
Wow, just some random thing that happened to you.
You have what you had the vaccine a week ago.
Pure coincidence.
That's what they've been saying.
And this is not just in one surgery, but across the board.
You know, it's clearly, you know, everybody's bought into the same narrative.
As I said, I've been I've been making way to manufacturing consent and it's it's it's exactly a similar model in that anybody there's only one narrative is Allowed, basically the media report what the government said, check if it's true and then basically the only allowed, when he was talking about Vietnam, the only parameters were just what that was.
Should we be doing this at all?
Not, you know, is COVID even as serious as they say?
It was simply, in that case, were the American war tactics effective?
Which is the same here.
Was the lockdown early enough and hard enough?
That's the only debate allowed, right?
Not, how serious is this really?
Do we need a lockdown at all?
Yes.
What about, you know, what about the long-term impacts?
Anybody who goes outside the permitted bounds of debate are conspiracy theorists.
Covid idiots, you know, hippies who want to destroy America.
It's seriously, it's amazingly similar to what I've been reading.
But in terms of, yeah, how the non-vaxxers are going to get, I would say people who will not submit to an experimental vaccine will be demonised, which may or may not happen.
Yeah, these pieces are completely disgusting.
Oh, yeah.
Because I know you're probably closing time.
So there is another, I know, I don't even like drawing comparisons, but there is another program on Netflix called The Last Eight.
It's about the Hungarian Jews in the war, in the Holocaust, right?
Not the ones that got saved?
No, no.
The Danish Jews were the only ones that got saved.
And the Bulgarian Jews got saved as well.
I didn't know that.
I knew the Danes did.
They had managed, they got through the whole war, they got through to 44 or something, and they were fine.
And it was at the last few months, maybe six months, where they started being deported.
And again, the thing that strikes you, because in a way you're not being told anything new, but I do feel I have to watch these things sometimes, is how quick all the neighbours turned on They're Jewish neighbors, because once you're perceived as a threat to your safety, which is exactly what, you know, is exactly the line being pushed with this vaccine nonsense, you're a killer, right?
You're basically a bioweapon walking along.
So if you have to be quarantined somewhere by force, well, It's your own fault, right?
All you have to do is get the vaccine.
So, you know, you shouldn't underestimate... People aren't that nice, and if they perceive their safety or their health and safety under threat, they'll turn on you.
Yeah.
They will turn on you very, very quickly.
And the government will be responsible for this, totally.
Oh, I agree.
Yeah, well... Because they've been promoting this absolute lie.
They've been promoting the lie about the variants being a problem.
They've been promoting the lie that somehow the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated.
How can that make any sense at all?
It doesn't make any sense.
And also, it's also in that, again, as we've already said, even if you're vaccinated, you can still get COVID and you can still pass it on.
So don't be getting all high and mighty with me, Sean O'Grady.
You can, you can still, you're, you're still a killer.
You mightn't be as much of a killer as, you know, the rest of us, but you can still be a killer.
So, yeah, none of it makes any sense.
You know, none of it.
As you said, you're vaccinated kind of enough to satisfy the government.
But amazingly, on the Tuesday, you're not vaccinated enough, right, to, say, go on holidays without having to get loads of tests.
Right, to complete, have your cake and eat it.
And you're not vaccinated enough such that you won't have to spend 10 days in quarantine if you get COVID.
None of it makes any sense, right?
You must get vaccinated because then you'll protect everybody, yourself and everybody around you.
And they're super duper.
But on the other hand, you're not vaccinated enough, as I said, to be able to just go on holiday whenever you want or to not wear a mask.
Or to not have to quarantine for 10 days.
You're still a little bit of a threat.
You should bring your kids.
Are your kids capable of walking?
You could come on the march on Saturday.
It went into the march this Saturday.
Saturday, yeah.
We have a fair bit planned and the husband would veto that, I'm afraid.
Is he not part of the resistance?
No, no, he is, but he'd be like, I don't want them getting hit.
You know, it's a bit of a risk, right?
If the police, yes.
Yeah, they are going to get nasty, I'm sure at some point, but I don't think they will.
Well, I mean, I would, you know, I would go.
I wouldn't.
I always take a dim view also of people who, you know, you know, the way that you see people using their kids as props.
You know, we're saying Black Lives Matter or you get people tweeting after Trump lost, my six year old daughter just said that she's so now she now she can breathe again.
You know, so I always it's just to me, that would be a bit like saying, yes, I will put my six year old in the vaccine experimental phase, you know, because she's She's like, you know, because we believe in all of this.
I just.
Yeah, I'd be I'd be I would be a bit nervous that they would get get a little bit.
What kind of what kind of sick fuck parent would you have to be to give your child the vaccine?
I mean, people sacrifice.
No, not just the vaccine that may be supposedly approved.
Right.
But the flipping, you know, the test stage.
I know.
I know.
Who does that?
It's extraordinary.
Even swabbing their nose is really uncomfortable.
But parents sacrifice their kids for ideologies, James, all the time.
All the time.
Again.
I mean, it's not, none of this surprises me.
They sacrifice their kids all the time.
And, you know, you get it on the left a lot, right?
And yeah, so I just, you know, there have been small pro-life marches as well through the years.
And I feel like I should go and I should bring my eldest.
But it's always, you know, you are always a little bit afraid it might get a little bit fruity.
And yeah, so I wouldn't do it.
I would go.
If I wasn't expecting, yeah, I probably would go.
Yeah, the husband, you know, being the protector will be like no way.
They are.
They are quite a good because we all go through dark nights of despair and they are quite a good fill it because you realize that there is a but but I don't I don't know.
I mean, I you know, I had I'm sure it would be actually enjoyable as well.
You meet some good people.
But yeah, again, it's a bit like I feel like about Rhinoformic.
Have you have you seen the Rhinoformish?
In an interview I did.
Rainer Vormisch is the German-American lawyer who is sort of bringing a class action against, I think against governments, against the PCR tests, which are another.
There have been some wins on those PCR tests in other European courts.
There have.
There's been one in Portugal.
Yes, you're right.
There's been one in Germany.
And the German judge had his Home raided by the police.
This is how this is how bad it's getting for what for the crime of winning a winning a legal case against the government.
He's he's been investigated by the police.
Yeah, but I just don't I asked him this question.
He didn't really come up with a satisfactory answer.
I said look given that the entire legal system around the world is bust starting with the Supreme Court, which has been taken over by the cabal.
How do you possibly conduct... The Hague?
I can't imagine The Hague is uncorrupt.
They're all... Yeah, well, there's a number of reasons.
It depends on what he's after.
I mean, if he's after... Obviously, ultimately, you're after the straightforward win.
But remember, a lot of litigation, especially taken on the left, and they're very, very good at this, is used just to generate, you know, news coverage.
It's part of an overall campaign.
So, um, even if they, it's again, it's just, it's just pressure.
So even if they lose the case, you know, the media has to report on it, even if they don't really want to.
Well, back in the day.
If it's a big enough case, you know, back in the day, so it can be part of an overall, that kind of litigation can be part of an overall strategy.
It can be very effective media strategy.
But if it's very narrow and you're just looking for the win, then it's a lot harder.
Wait a second.
We just had a dry run of this.
We had a presidential election which was stolen in plain sight.
And the media pretended it did not happen.
The media just kind of airbrushed it out of history.
Are they going to do that with any cases brought against the COVID vaccine?
Because they're all paid by the government.
They're all part of the problem.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look, I think it depends.
I'm talking more sort of campaigns that are sort of on socio-legal issues as opposed to... I mean, to me, I know we've kind of disagreed on the US election.
You're already paying defence if you're litigating R to the fact, right?
You're litigating a recount R to the fact, because in elections, status quo and momentum is everything, right?
So once Biden is sort of sworn in.
What Supreme Court is going to is going to say, right, yeah, it was a dodgy election.
We're going to remove them.
You know, it's just so I'm more talking about, you know, part of the whole pro-choice campaign, both in in the United States and Ireland.
They are taking cases early, but their ultimate aim is legalization, either through Parliament or through in the United States.
It did happen in a court case.
You know, as I said, you have to be strategic about it.
You have to, it can be part of a bigger political campaign.
Because here, the COVID restrictions were harder because I know here, and it happened in Ireland, the restaurants took a case, right?
And all here, didn't they?
In the latest lockdown saying, we want to open the same time as the shops.
Because our risk isn't any higher.
And the course just said, yeah, by the time we hear this case, you're all going to be open.
So it's a moot point.
Goodbye.
Oh, that was the Simon Dolan case.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then there was the very early one that challenged the very first lockdown.
And that didn't get quite far either.
Yeah, you look at it.
I get it that the media don't cover it in the same way as they will other cases.
Absolutely.
There's worthy and unworthy victims.
Again, to the Chomsky phrase, there are worthy and unworthy campaigns.
You can see it all over the place.
When the media go proper hyper, when they're really off the scale, you know that is the time to tune out.
That everything, that they're just, you know, they're just, nothing they say can be trusted.
No, we can't.
We can't.
Yeah, yeah, if we do the Bashir thing briefly, right, so obviously everybody has various agendas going on there, including us who don't like the BBC.
A lot of the tabloids, you know, the Mail obviously, were having a field day with us.
But I remember thinking to myself, yeah, you guys, you media as a whole, were the same people who whipped the public into absolute hysteria After her death, after Princess Diana's death.
And essentially said, if you weren't on board with this, you're cold-hearted.
Right?
And it turns out that this only made things worse for the family, and in particular William and Harry, right?
Harry, and I don't have much time for him, specifically said, you know, he can barely remember the funeral, although he does remember people who crying hysterically, and he was thinking, you know, she was our mother, you didn't even know her.
So yeah, but now it suits the media, right, to, or parts of it to say, basically to pick apart their own narratives, right?
To turn around and say, oh, well, maybe we shouldn't have, we shouldn't have hyped it all up.
And yeah, maybe Bashir was a bit mean.
I mean, they're just, and I told you before in a previous podcast, the only reason they hyped up the public against the royal family is because immediately after her death, the public were angry, rightly, with the media themselves.
So they pivoted really, really cleverly to saying, oh, but the Queen isn't crying enough.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes.
So they're always it's everybody has an agenda.
That's all.
You know, everybody.
It could be money.
It could just be money.
That's normally if they're motivated by money, then That's almost the least worst, right?
If you're dealing with what we're dealing with, as in, you know, technocratic control, wanting to bring in vaccine passports.
And now we're going to have all this Dominic Cummings nonsense.
So he's speaking as we're recording this interview.
So somebody tweeted out this morning, maybe Dominic Cummings will derail the whole program by splitting the beans.
And I was thinking, well I said actually, do you know anything about Dominic Cummings?
Dominic Cummings makes Sage look like us.
Dominic Cummings is so extreme.
Dominic Cummings wanted sort of the lockdown to begin in sort of probably 2019 before before anyone knew about the that that's that's his line his his line is totally the government didn't lock down hard enough or early enough well so what this does is instantly ducks the question of whether lockdowns are actually effective in the first place this is these are not the questions being asked they're not questions they're gonna be asked by these gimps in this committee I think
Isn't Jeremy Hunt one of the people questioning him?
I think possibly.
Anyway, whatever.
It's extraordinary that in the Westminster bubble, nobody is asking, hang on a second, have we behaved disproportionately to the threat?
Have we destroyed the economy, killed lots of jobs, killed lots of people of untreated cancer, killed lots of people of suicide, to deal with a virus which is no worse than flu?
And the answer is that they haven't even gone there.
They don't want to go there.
So this Cummins thing is a distraction.
Yeah.
It's outside the parameters of a loud debate.
Yeah.
You know, and if you're, if you're outside that, you're, you're a crank.
Um, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, I totally agree that it's a distraction and I completely think he's a complete psychopath.
Yeah.
He's, yeah, he's, he's just, hopefully this will be his last hurrah.
And he can go ahead.
I mean, it's his last hurrah.
We've got someone else.
Here's the thing, and I really don't get this at all.
We are asked to believe that Michael Gove, Dominic Cummings, all these characters at senior levels in government, none of them has been exposed to the the basic fact that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and zinc are So effective at treating coronavirus that you needn't worry about it.
If you've got it, you will not die.
If you take these things, you're going to be fine.
It's all going to be okay.
So number one, we're being asked to believe that they've had this evidence to present it to them and they've ignored it or that they haven't seen this evidence.
I don't believe either is the case.
I don't see how that is possible.
There was so much evidence that these treatments work.
Number one.
Number two.
How can these people not be aware of the adverse reactions that there have been more adverse reactions to this so-called vaccine and all the other vaccines put together since in the last 10 years or something?
This is why I think that they are acting in bad faith, because there is information out there which is widely available, which they are deliberately ignoring or even suppressing, and they are encouraging the media to suppress.
This is why I don't buy into any kind of, oh, this is just bumbling incompetence, this is just arse covering, this is just politicians being... I cannot buy into this.
I don't think any intelligent person should buy into this.
Yes, so it's really quite bland.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I mean, there is another...
Podcast lady who basically, yeah, agreed to that.
I think I might send you the link.
She's, she's, she's nearly as well.
She's down there as well.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, it's people, as you said, there's, there's, there's even money to be made or there are to the control.
Um, or again, they become so invested in it.
Now they can't, they can't backtrack from it.
Um, which, which is probably very likely.
Um, and what do you think of, yeah, how do you, What do you think of Boris saying, you know, that him resisting lockdowns?
Do you think this is all nonsense?
I don't know what to believe anymore.
I do think that that Boris is Is less bad than than Cummings, Cummings and Gove would be if they somehow got.
Just because Boris is just bumbling and inefficient.
I mean, I think he's I think he's completely compromised.
I think he's very, very dodgy.
I think he's, you know, he's dreadful.
But I just think that if you put Cummings and Gove in, they just run this more efficiently and it would be worse.
It would be like, you know, like like like the Nazis were so good because they were Germans.
That German efficiency.
Exactly.
That's what really, yeah, I get you.
Yeah, no, I agree.
And the thing is, even if Forrest really didn't want to lock down, right, and he was genuinely resisting it, as you say, if all the other actors around you, all of them, you know, Sage and, as you say, Cummings and Gove and Hunt and the entire media and the entire pharmaceutical class, are gunning for this lockdown thing.
I mean, you might think, well, he's Prime Minister, you know, he could have just said no.
Well, you can't though, can you?
Even as Prime Minister, you can't resist.
But yeah, so what I'm saying is it both can be true, right?
That he could be resisting this, but the actors around him are just so evil.
Cummings' most insane tweet where he says... He's on 60 something now.
He's completely mental.
He was berating Sage for having advised the government that if... This is amazing.
I always thought Sage was always crap, but apparently this wasn't the case.
Sage said, we can't bring in the lockdown too soon.
Because if we get the timing wrong it will just simply delay the next wave maybe till winter when ideally we want to get it to happen in summer.
Now this is absolutely good advice and yet here is Cummings quoting Sage and using it against them to show how irresponsible and wrong they are.
But Sage was absolutely right in this instance, and I think it shows how far gone Cummings is.
He really is just dangerously foolish.
And also, yeah, no, I saw that.
I mean, because the original plan, if it wasn't herd immunity and there may... I could believe the original plan was herd immunity and then something happened.
And again, even in the first lockdown, the original plan, as you said, Boris kept going on saying, was to flatten the curve, right?
That we were always going to end up with the same amount of deaths, but we just need to flatten it because, you know, you don't want the NHS sort of overrun.
That was the excuse at the moment.
Yeah, well, he was giving that before any lockdown.
That was just please keep your distance stuff.
And again, I mean, I think that's fine.
You can spread something out.
Yeah, I mean, it's I don't know where I was going with that.
And again, something so but now it seems to be like you can't have any, it's now an early and zero COVID policy, right?
I mean, we went from flatten the curve to to, as I said, take the take the take the vaccine or else.
So it Yeah, Cummings is crazy.
I also saw that part of his criticism was like, yeah, who's the head of the, Jenny, what's her name again?
Jenny Harris.
Yeah, Jenny Harris.
He's criticizing her because Yes.
They resisted lockdown for a while and they resisted the masks for a while.
Cummings is saying because he didn't think people would comply with it because, you know, we aren't Asia.
Oh, didn't they get that wrong?
Because look, the Lemmings are loving their mask and they're loving their lockdowns.
And you, but you're just thinking, yeah, you're just thinking, I just, I just don't, I don't, I just, well, I just don't believe him.
I don't believe him anyway.
Anything you say.
So in that tweet, you're, you're, you're quoting.
Yeah.
If you wanted to parse the tweet, it's clear Cummings doesn't believe in herd immunity.
Right.
Herd immunity has been the standard process of every epidemic since time immemorial.
It's inevitable.
Herd immunity is actually inevitable.
Herd immunity is the only way.
So he disses that concept.
He disses the concept that governments should act proportionally in Western liberal democracies and that they shouldn't coerce people or bully people.
Cummings' line clearly is, yeah, we should be like China.
Fuck them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he's a complete technocrat, so this makes sense.
Yeah.
And also, he's the one who has the power, right?
So, obviously, it's fine for him.
And he can breach the rules, as we know, if it suits him as well.
So, yeah, he's not losing anything, right?
He's the one imposing the rules, and he's the one breaking them if he wants to.
So, yeah.
Look at it this way.
Anyone at this point who is Team Cummings, who is not his wife, frankly, Needs their heads examining because they clearly haven't read or understood his tweets.
They haven't understood where he's coming from.
The guy is a, well, fascistic technocrat.
He is just absolutely, he's, he's, he's ruthless, but also he thinks he's cleverer than he is.
He thinks that he's good, that he's understood the data and what's going on better than anybody else.
And he hasn't.
And that's really frightening.
I just hope people will stop employing him now.
Right, because we're only going to find him somewhere else, causing trouble somewhere else.
It just amazes me.
Where would you send him?
Well, I don't know, but people seem to... I mean... A central island, I think, might be good.
Yeah, where did they put Napoleon?
Didn't they put Napoleon on an island somewhere?
St Helena.
Yeah.
No, the Falklands.
It's not cold and it's on the Green Mist, so he can go there, no problem.
South Georgia.
I think he would get on with the penguins.
Yes, they might understand him.
He'd like that whaling station.
He could live there for... Yeah.
He'd be good.
That would be good.
And that would be kind.
Because we're not talking about killing him or anything like that.
Not like he's doing to us.
No, well, not like Charlie Brady would.
Just giving him quality penguin time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's nasty.
But the whole thing is going to be a circus.
There's going to be a lot of grandstanding and people like Laura Kunzberg are going to be tweeting out, as if people care, which I'm afraid a lot of people don't.
This story, this Westminster story, the media are particularly vile when one of these stories breaks, like the stupid wallpaper story, because they get incredibly excited about it when literally not very many people care.
And the left will Well, just try and do it.
Boris doesn't care about the piles of bodies.
He's a complete fascist.
It'd nearly make you pro-Boris.
You'd nearly want to start tweeting out defence tweets of Boris.
I mean, I won't, because I'm not quite sure.
No, no, no.
But you you can you can I can I can tell already.
But in fairness, I agree with the lesson isn't that a lot of them are going after the end.
So the current MP that are trashing Dominic Cummings and isn't for having no integrity or honesty will have been the same people who tried to save his ass over his stupid castle trip before we go.
That's worth pointing out before we go.
Yeah.
And on an interesting note.
Yeah.
Which is I had an insight the other day.
Literary insight.
Oh, yeah, go on.
Do you know what two of our greatest literary heroes had in common?
I'm talking about Beowulf and Arthur.
No, you're going to catch me.
No.
The clue is in their name.
Do you know what it is?
No, I don't.
Do you know what Arthur?
Yeah.
What do you, what it, what it comes from?
Uh, the, the, the, the sword and the stone.
Do you know what, do you know what his standard was?
No.
It was a bear.
Cause I think it comes from Arcturus.
I think he, I think it's bear.
I'm pretty right.
I think pretty sure I'm right, but I do know that Beowulf.
Yeah.
His name comes from?
No.
Well, the Anglo-Saxons weren't very good at, at, um, at taxonomy.
So they had wolf, and your name was wolf.
And then they had these things called bear wolf, which is a beewolf.
It's a wolf, which eats honey.
And that's what bear wolf means.
It means bear.
OK, OK.
I mean, you've partly lost me, but yeah, I'm glad.
Yeah, partly, because I didn't do an English degree, so.
No, but you think about it.
I didn't, I didn't learn English degree.
I've just picked this up.
I hope I'm not wrong about Arthur.
I think, I think I am right.
Anyway, people correct us in the comments below.
Right.
It's coffee time for me now.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, we've gone later than we normally do.
It's good.
And people, it makes people happy.
So, so that's good.
It does.
People like our stuff.
It would make me happy.
Yes, OK.
Well, let's try and ignore the media, the circus for the next hour or the next day.
They're going to be really excited, everybody.
Still exciting, Dominic.
Dom is giving evidence.
It's all the distraction.
Yeah.
Well, OK.
OK, take it easy.
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