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May 22, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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James and Laura's Chinwag #21
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go and subscribe to the podcast baby, early July, and as you can imagine outdoor dining, go and subscribe to the podcast baby, early July, and as you can imagine outdoor dining, outdoor dining will be permitted from the 7th of June, but you can imagine it's even more ropey than outdoor dining here and indoor dining from early July, which means that they have Six months, because I think they went into lockdown.
Ireland is crazy.
This is Ireland?
Yeah, yeah, no Ireland.
Oh, I see.
Oh, Ireland!
I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world right now, but probably the Irish Are top of my list of, I mean, I get these heart rending communications from Irish listeners to the Deling pod and stuff.
And I mean, your, your country as was is it's, it's a prison camp, isn't it?
You can't, you can't get out at all.
I mean, and aren't they forcing you to take, take, take these jabs?
I think it's getting more and more.
No, I mean, the thing is that everybody's pretty invested in it.
I mean, they are literally in exactly the rhetoric.
I mean, it's the same here that the rhetoric this now is exactly the same as it was last year.
Right.
It's a year into this and people are still buying this.
You know, if you said to people last year, your entire summer might be in doubt in 2021, they would not have believed you.
Right.
Oh, you're oh, you're an extremist, you're a conspiracy theorist.
But, yeah, it's exactly... In fact, I mean, there's even, you know, I think it'll be more difficult to travel this time, this summer, than it will be last summer.
Yes.
Yeah, it's... My parents, even though they're double-jabbed, yeah, no hope of getting them out of the country.
I mean, they can't... Yeah, I mean, legally, they can't leave.
I mean, they're still out there.
It's illegal to leave for anything other than essential travel.
Well, the only reason or certainly the main reason that my parents got the jab, despite despite strong advice to the contrary, at least from some of their children, was because they imagined they would get their holidays.
They'd booked to La Gomera and Portugal and et cetera, et cetera, because that generation, that generation are used to taking quite a lot of holidays a year.
And they're the lucky generation because Our generation ain't going to have that.
No generation from now on is going to have that.
We're going to be trapped in our countries.
First of all, they're going to use this virus, alleged virus, as the reason.
And then they're going to segue neatly into Climate bollocks.
This is the plan and people who haven't woken up to this are so naive.
It's like it's like can you for example, I turn to my edition of the Daily Guardian graph today, which which we have in our household on sufferance because because I don't like it but the wife wife likes reading a paper out of habit.
And I see that we are now being discouraged from traveling abroad for our summer holidays.
Why?
Yes.
Why?
I know.
And we know why, because the latest excuse du jour is this thing they call the Indian variant.
And apparently, I mean I'm really shocked actually, I'm very worried, apparently 19 people, 19 are in hospital in Bolton with this thing.
Can you imagine?
19!
You forget that actually, even on their own thing, they're talking about 20 people.
No, the last few days have been bad.
As you say, I don't get if people don't realise How this is just a complete, you know, it's just a complete joke that they can keep running this variant scam forever.
Vaccines are no vaccines.
Then you'll, then you'll never get it.
I mean, I'm, I'm, what are they going to say to people?
The vast majority of whom have succumbed to this vaccine nonsense.
We're going to lock you down anyway.
We know what they're going to do.
It's the unvaccinated.
I've tweeted about it a few times.
What I would call a coercive vaccination campaign.
It is now a campaign of vaccine coercion.
It's completely unethical.
It nullifies everybody's consent.
It's a lot of people on the right in the media, the bootlickers on the right in the media have been engaging in it.
Not so much the left.
This is what the split looks like to me.
The bootlickers on the right, all Boris' bag handlers and the rest of them who are completely sycophantic to him, are blaming the unvaccinated.
If we don't get out of this, if there's another lockdown or whatever, it'll blame all the unvaccinated.
The left haven't done that as much for two reasons.
First of all, they want to blame Boris for Letting the Indian variant in.
Although, I mean, it's inevitable, okay, because planes are landing.
Yes.
And there are a lot of British citizens that travel back and forth.
If it even exists, by the way.
If it even exists.
I mean, it's hysterian, isn't it?
Yeah, exactly.
And then, number two, obviously, although they've tried to even roll back on this, they're saying, you know, These communities in the north and ethnic minorities are more likely to not succumb to the vaccine coercion just yet.
And again, so that won't sit that nicely with the left in going after those communities.
So that's been the split.
So as usual, the attack from the right is a lot worse than the attack on the left.
No, it's scandalous.
I mean, another thing with this vaccine coercion campaign, and that's exactly what it is, I mean, how does Matt Hancock know the vaccine status of the people in hospital?
Who's telling him that?
Isn't that a breach of data?
I mean, I get that you don't have to give their names.
It is a good point.
Yeah, I mean, if there's 20 people in Bolton, right, most of it, I mean, people are going to know who they are.
And they're giving out very detailed, a lot of detail on their vaccine status in terms of whether, not just have they been offered it.
So these guys are in this age group, so they will have been offered it and they didn't take it up.
And one, I mean, there's a few that have had their two jabs, a few only had one jab.
A few didn't have it at all and then they have to split that right into to find the real bad guys are those who have been offered it right and didn't take it.
So I'm like who is disclosing all this information?
I mean is he just entitled to it because he's Minister for Health?
Does it matter?
I mean I'm pretty sure you cannot disclose an individual's named vaccine status even to the great Matt Hancock.
You know, if you're the real media, they might ask a couple of questions on that, but obviously we don't.
We have a propaganda model of the media.
So yeah, but whatever, you know, let's just let that one slide.
I read a piece about this for Breitbart because I wanted to chart the genesis of this latest government narrative.
So it starts off with Matt Hancock saying something in the house about how, regrettably, there may be problems with the ...with reopening the country because of vaccine... Well, they've been called vaccine refuseniks in the mail.
The media will call them that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So refuseniks were... They don't do it because they don't need to because the bootlickers in the mail and LBC... The bootlickers do their jobs.
Yes.
So Matt Hancock cedes the idea that somehow he'd love to open the country but these pesky vaccine denials or whatever.
Now what's interesting about this is that no one's really examined the logic of his position.
He seems to be saying that this is being done to protect vaccine sceptics from their own idiocy.
Yes, I've heard this.
The country is worried about the health of vaccine sceptics who are going to end up in hospital.
I think all of us, if push came to shove, would very happily sign a pledge That if we get if we get coronavirus as a result of our refusal to have these experimental gene therapy jabs.
We would happily forego treatment by the NHS for that particular thing.
The last thing I'd want to do is spend any time in an NHS COVID ward.
I would rather be at home probably taking ivermectin that I'd ordered off the dark web if it was unavailable any other way.
It doesn't seem to be available, you know, routinely.
I've got friends in Goa, by the way.
Everyone is starting to take ivermectin now because they recognise that this is the way you don't die.
So it's simple.
If you don't want to die of coronavirus and you've got it and you've got a bad case, just take some ivermectin.
So I'm happy to sign a document saying I don't want to be treated by the NHS for coronavirus.
I wouldn't mind, you know, if I fall off a horse, I think it's only fair that they should treat me for broken limbs, which is what they're meant to do.
They're meant to be there for you.
But but no.
So they're making up this excuse.
This is excuse number one.
Then after after Matt Hancock sows this seeds, this very nasty idea that he's scapegoating vaccine skeptics and various people, take him up on this.
Yeah.
And then you get Marco Pierre White.
Wanker I'm never ever ever going to eat in one of his restaurants again.
Do you know what he said?
Uh, no, okay, why it's sort of fake toff fake country gent?
Um, yeah, yeah, but hey the guy who was out sworn by gordon ramsay and just Rendered redundant but mark mark a pio, who used to be the bad boy.
He is he is dead to me Anyway, Markiplier White says that people should have the vaccine passport before they come to his restaurants.
Well, let's let's all boycott his shitholes.
Yeah.
Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Yeah.
I heard that like a kind of like a particularly ugly toad and toads in my view are very beautiful creatures.
I love that.
Their eyes.
Which in the Middle Ages, people used to try and extract their eyes because they're thinking that they contain jewels, which is awfully sad.
I love toads, but not but not the toad impersonator, Lloyd Webber.
So there he is.
You know, he's he's written these really horrible shit, shit, this shit musical, which has ruined our lives for many years.
Actually, no, it's not true.
I do quite like some of this.
I like Evita.
And I like Jesus Christ Superstar, so I'm... I don't like Cats.
Cats is just awful, but I have a big thing about Phantom of the Opera.
Laura, you have no idea.
Cats is... Cats is, I think, Satan's musical, because I had to go to see the movie.
I saw the movie.
Oh, the movie's supposed to be particularly bad.
Worst thing I've ever, ever seen.
Anyway, Lloyd Webber.
He says that, again, he says everyone should be vaccinated.
I hate using this word, vaccinated.
It's not a vaccine.
No, I know.
You've got Rachel Johnson.
Yeah, Rachel Johnson.
I was when I was at university.
I was grumbling about this to Toby the other night.
I had no idea that these people were the enemy.
I thought they were like me.
But here is Rachel Johnson saying that the government should vaccinate everybody.
We should all be forced to take this jab.
There should be nobody allowed non-jabbed, I think is the quote, because you're going to get loads of emails in.
Then there's our friend Dan Hodges, who is just... He used the word backlash, I remember that, and Sheila Fogarty said that she would put poison in the coffee of somebody who wasn't.
Sheila Fogarty, who is... She looks morbidly obese to me, so no wonder she's sensitive on the score of... I wouldn't get it on Twitter, that's true.
Is she morbidly obese?
She said I would be getting into fistfights with these people and I might poison their coffee and I remember thinking I definitely do not want to get in a fistfight with you because I know I would lose.
Yes, you would.
I wouldn't take her off.
If she just sat on you, you'd die.
Do you notice that these people are all a certain age, James?
I think they're all post-50, right?
Oh, they're all Karen.
I'm the voice of skepticism.
I'm the voice of anti-government.
Yeah, right.
They all roll over.
Ian Dale.
Yeah, well, he's a straight up, like, I mean, look, look, these are all Boris's bag handlers.
You should not be surprised about, do you know, it's all, it's, you know, a book I finally did find from my garage.
I found it.
Manufacturing Consent.
It's upstairs.
By Noam Chomsky.
Yeah, well, I think he's probably on board with the whole Covid thing.
I haven't gone there because then it'll ruin it.
And it's an interesting read because it's from a very obviously left-wing point of view, so it does sort of challenge you.
But, you know, I probably only need to read the intro and it's a lot to do with America and their wars in Indonesia.
Vietnam, obviously, and stuff like that.
But, you know, he does it really thoroughly in terms of breaking.
I mean, you've probably done this and aware of this anyway, but, you know, breaking down the media model, it makes a difference if your media is dependent on advertising, for instance.
So when the news, when the working, true working class newspapers came out in Britain at first, like 100 years ago or 110 years ago, they struggled because they didn't have advertising, for instance, because obviously their readers Couldn't afford what the advertisers were selling.
So, you know, it is very interesting in terms of you have to look at who's owning them.
You have to look at how they make their money.
They're not making their money from readership, listenership or viewership, right?
They're making their money from advertisers.
Now, at the moment, The government is a huge advertiser for all of these people, right?
For The Times.
Every paper has an ad, let's say, that was a straight lockdown propaganda ad and is now a pro-vaccine propaganda ad.
So they're not impartial.
That's all I would say.
The media outlets are not impartial.
That applies to the right as much as it applies to the left.
So the people that you've all mentioned, I mean, as I said, they're just essentially, they're just essentially Boris's bad character.
Sarah Vine.
Sarah Vine, who is normally at pains to distance herself from her husband, and the fact that she's an independent thinker, and how dare anyone suggest that she's... But she's just written a piece today, just completely buying into the government narrative, not questioning it at all, not questioning the efficacy or the safety of these things.
People are not turning down these experimental jabs because Because they're just kind of kooky conspiracy theorists.
They have actually done their research.
I mean there was that MIT paper published recently which had, even though it was written by people completely on board with the whole scare, they had to admit that mask skeptics were
On average, much better scientifically informed and much, much keener on public data and on the application of the scientific method than the sort of compliance doogies.
We're well informed.
We know what we're talking about.
I know.
And it's also, I mean, look, the whole, as I said, it's completely, it's completely unethical to coerce someone into a vaccine anyway.
And this is, this is a vaccine coercion campaign.
Okay.
That's number one.
And number two is, I mean, there's a lot of anecdotal evidence and I am careful with anecdotal evidence.
I don't even like when it's second hand, like friend with friend, but yes, My best friend, well, one of my best friends was around at hers at the weekend.
She took the vaccine.
Not, you know, was not kind of crazy about it, but mainly took it for reasons of travel.
Yeah, she ended up in St Thomas'.
And what happened was what you said at the last podcast in terms of she called her GP and the GP just dismiss it, right?
They don't, they will not link it to the vaccine because then that creates a paper chain.
So things got so bad.
She lost sight in one of her eyes, ended up in St.
Thomas's and she said the nurse, you know, she didn't say this, but she was basically, it was such a, you're just boring me patient.
I've seen this so often.
Why are you here?
You know, it will kind of go thing.
We all keep going blind in one eye.
It's just normal.
Another guy who was there as well said he had really bad vertigo or something after it for a week.
He was basically out of it for a week.
And yeah, had really bad vertigo.
So look, I mean, it's just, what can you say?
I don't know.
Laura, this is interesting because, okay, so have you listened to my Nina whistleblower podcast yet?
Oh no, I will though.
So Nina, as I think I mentioned last week, Nina works in a, is a receptionist in a 20,000 strong, you know, 20,000 patients in a practice, a GP's practice somewhere in the north.
And she says that she's, she's, she and her colleagues have been having up to a thousand, a thousand or more calls a day.
Normally on a bad day they'd get 500.
And these are mostly from people who've had the jab and had adverse reactions and are bringing the doctors for reassurance, advice, whatever.
And she said the doctors are their main priority, it seems to her, is to tell the patients that nothing to do with the jab.
This is entirely normal.
Nothing to do with the jab.
And what the doctors do is persuade them not to report these things as adverse reactions to the vaccine.
They say that they're completely unconnected.
It's just a coincidence.
And she says that in her entire surgery, There's only been one yellow card report of an adverse reaction and in fact there have been hundreds.
Now what's interesting about this, definitely worth listening to the podcast, as soon as I started putting it up on the internet Lots and lots of commenters.
The first comment said, oh, have you checked this out?
We don't trust this.
It doesn't ring true to me.
And they pick on all these details.
Now, I've never had this before.
And I was surprised by the rapidity of the response.
And it seems to me that...
They really do not want stories like this out there.
So what they do is they seed the idea, which is amazing how malleable other commentators are, because they see this thing and they say, oh right, I've been primed, they don't realise it, but they have been primed to be sceptical.
And some of these comments, they pose as disinterested parties or even people who actually want to help you.
Oh, you'd better be sure.
Have you checked this, James?
Well, of course, I've bloody well checked it.
I mean, as best I can.
You know, I don't think that this woman is lying to me.
I think she's absolutely spot on.
I trust my source.
And this has happened across the various sites.
It's been taken down, I think, from Spotify almost instantly.
Now, hang on a second.
Who makes these decisions?
This is... You know, I didn't put a sort of thing saying, oh, this dangerous... Well, actually, maybe I did.
Maybe that... But who on Spotify would be responsible for taking down a podcast so quickly?
It just... Anyway.
Since doing the podcast, I've had people contacting me, like your friend told you.
Yeah.
I had one this morning from a chap.
I think he's in his 20s or early 30s.
He got the AZ jab.
And interestingly, he did so in order to see whether it was OK for his older relatives.
He had a seizure.
He had a seizure two weeks after, you know, he's a young, fit, healthy young man.
Had a seizure and he rang up four different consultants.
Yeah.
And three out of the four were adamant.
Adamant to the point of, you know, sort of outrage that this had nothing to do with the vaccine.
Nothing to do with it whatsoever.
Only one sort of said, well, maybe.
So we've got something going on here.
There is a very orchestrated cover-up.
No, it is.
It is scary.
And it's scary how, as I said, so many people have sort of bought into it.
And it's just, you know, what they say just doesn't make any sense.
And yet people just don't barely bat an eyelid from it.
So again, they're running the, well, you must get vaccinated because it doesn't just protect you, you're putting others around you at risk.
And you're like, but the others around me are supposedly vaccinated.
Oh yeah, no, but conveniently it's, it's, it's not a super, it's super, it's a super enough vaccine that you have to take it, but not super enough to give them total protection.
Isn't that convenient?
So again, they're using this, you know, emotional blackmail.
So not only are you, you know, so before when nobody was vaccinated, you couldn't possibly go out and you couldn't possibly, you know, not wear a mask because it's not just about you.
You're putting the other people at risk.
Now all the other people are vaccinated, right?
This is our only way out.
The super duper vaccinated.
Oh no, but no, no, you need to get vaccinated too because they may catch it from you.
But you've just told me they're vaccinated.
Oh no, it doesn't give them, you know, that you can still pick it up.
All right, it's not really a vaccine then, is it?
It's not really what you say it is, is it?
It's just, this is just, you're just, everything you say is complete bullshit.
Or more bullshit.
You've just laid it out there in ways that a complete idiot can understand.
So why is it that it seems to me most of the UK population is sub-idiot level of comprehension.
Yeah.
And you could blame years of dumbing down in the education system and people can't think critically anymore.
But how is it not obvious that it is not an argument to say that you are protecting other people if you take the jab, when if the jabs work at all, then they're supposed to be protected anyway.
It shouldn't matter what you do.
It should only be your own problem.
It's a bit like driving without a seatbelt.
This is different to the herd immunity argument, right, just so we're clear, to your standard vaccine.
So the argument with, say, getting Any child who's eligible to get a measles vaccine, say, it will protect you.
That's obviously, you protect your child.
That's number one reason.
It's the only thing that makes it ethical.
And for what it's worth, there are a very small percentage of children who cannot take it.
And, you know, because you've secured herd immunity through the children that are actually vaccinated, that herd immunity will protect the unvaccinated.
But this is like rocking up and getting your kids your measles vaccine and then them saying to you, oh yeah, by the way, your kid could still get measles.
What?
What are you talking about?
You know, I mean, it's just, I mean, yeah, you can.
And then, again, a lot of people, I think, will have gotten it, as you said, for travel reasons.
Like, I mean, you have to laugh in a way, and now they're like, yeah, you got your vaccine.
A, it doesn't protect you from the unvaccinated, so you can go off and blame them and, you know, do whatever we secretly would like you to do to them.
Oh, and by two, oh, you got that vaccine to go on holiday?
Yeah, no, you're not going on holiday this year.
No, seriously.
You thought this was your passport?
No, no, no, no.
Don't go on Greenlist.
Don't go to Lambrist.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's all nonsense.
So what exactly does the vaccine add?
Unless you genuinely believe it protects you from COVID.
Which I say, look, I'm new to it.
I said to a friend yesterday who's hemming and hawing over it, and she's a young girl, not had children yet.
So obviously, I think you should be cautious.
And I said, look, if you really want to get the vaccine because you think it'll protect you from COVID, just get it.
But don't get it because the Daily Mail thinks you're mean, you know, if you don't want it.
Or don't get it just so that you can travel.
Or don't get it because, you know, somebody said you really, really should.
What I'm saying is very few people are actually getting it for health reasons.
Or actually getting it, say, for their own health.
That's the only reason you should be getting a vaccine.
Well, if they were doing that, they'd be very stupid, wouldn't they?
Well, I know.
I know what you mean.
But yeah.
I'm not even sure that...
Well, actually, I know if I were 80, I would still not take the vaccine.
It's just absolutely pointless.
Even if I had underlying health conditions, I wouldn't take it.
I just don't think it makes enough of a difference.
But anyone who's young, and especially anyone who hasn't had children, but how do we get the message across?
Because I feel like we're preaching to the choir here, Laura.
No, I know.
We make total sense.
We are the lifeline to lots of people.
I had an email yesterday from a guy in tears.
You can actually almost see the tears trickling down the screen about How much of a lifeline you and I are to to him and stuff.
OK, but it's nice.
It's nice.
But what about all the what about what about all the kids who are about to all the young women who are about to completely screw with their menstrual cycles or worse, possibly deny themselves ever having children?
Yeah.
What about them?
How do we reach them?
Look, I don't know.
It's difficult to compete with a multi-billion pound government campaign and then the entire media.
You know, that's difficult to compete with.
And I mean, I think you can only think about it in terms of, you know, one by one.
If you think you can compete with that, you can.
Because, I mean, you just eventually assume they see so many side effects or things like that, that they won't Which is why they're covering it up.
Yeah, I agree.
That's why they clamp down hard.
Because the people, you know, it's not just the government, it's the intelligence services, it's 77th Brigade, it's whatever.
These people are not stupid.
They know that part of the messaging has to be that It's an urban myth that these vaccines have dodgy side effects.
So therefore, we're going to bully or bribe or whatever the medical establishment into denying that there's any connection.
And whenever a whistleblower appears, we're going to discredit that whistleblower.
That's how they operate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I think there was another teacher in one of the kids' schools.
She was out for a week, a whole week.
That's how sick she was.
Not a teacher, TA.
But look, it's difficult.
The worst thing though, is if you think it's bad now, is now they're coming, they will be coming for the children by the time autumn hits.
Because again, it was in The Times, Matt Hancock just put it out there, we've enough jabs for the over 12s.
So what they will do is they will sort of threaten, they will hike up the hysteria, maybe coming into school, threatening a school closure or either threatening Christmas and say, we need all the over 11s, over 12s vaccinated, or yeah, we're going to lock you down over winter again.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what they are.
Properly evil.
They are.
Yeah.
I don't know how far they're going to get with this scapegoating of vaccine because I think if they persuade the country, Laura, that the reason that they can't go to Ibiza or wherever is because James and Laura aren't taking the vaccine.
Yeah, that's a pretty powerful message.
And unfortunately, it's not just thick people who are who are buying this message.
It's it's the educated middle classes who are.
I mean, look, you've got Sarah Vine, Richard Johnson.
You've got classes that are the worst.
These people ought to be able to perceive that we're not the reason that they can't go on holiday.
This is a government decision.
It doesn't, you know, we're not being...
I mean, imagine a situation where the government is stopping us going on our summer holidays in order to save from themselves those people who are not taking the vaccine and therefore might endanger the NSA.
It's such a kind of convoluted argument.
It makes no sense.
I know.
It's not like we're typhoid Mary.
We might have to lock down to save the people who are unvaccinated.
It's like nobody who's unvaccinated wants you to lock down.
No, but it's the abusive husband thing again, isn't it?
It's like, you're making me do this.
You must submit, and if you don't, you made me do it.
It is literally abusive.
In terms of how bad it could get for those who aren't vaccinated, look, I don't think, I'm not particularly worried at the moment.
I don't think the rhetoric is nice.
But ultimately, yeah, it's just, I don't, It's just, anyway, what are you going to do even if you sort of physically abuse somebody?
It's not going to solve your problem.
I'm not that worried about it.
You could get one or two cases.
It's not nice and they shouldn't be doing it.
I do think, though, they are making, they are coercing a lot of people successfully to get a vaccine.
And that's essentially the calculation I think they've made.
is to keep the rhetoric up with the aim of getting as many youth as possible vaccinated.
And I think they're probably being quite effective in that, to be honest, because they started dialing it down a little bit, saying, well, actually, if you look at the numbers in Bolton, the overall vaccination rate is the same.
You know, it's very difficult to extrapolate.
So, you know, this is the thing.
They turn up the volume, then they turn it down.
Yeah.
And a lot of people don't.
As I said, there was a young girl quoted in the paper.
She just said, well, why did you get it?
And her two reasons were, I wanted to travel and I didn't want to be labeled a spreader.
Well, again, neither of those are related to her health.
One is essentially because I've been bullied.
And the other one is because I'm under the delusion that the government is going to let me travel in summer.
Well, yeah.
But she got it, right?
She got it solely because of the rhetoric, solely because of the bullying.
Yeah.
There is another element in this, of course, as well.
I think a lot of people who've had the jab realise they've been taken for fools.
Are probably genuinely worried about some of the side effects they've experienced and they may dimly have heard about things like A.G.E.
responses and stuff which could eventually kill them.
And actually it's not an unnatural reaction.
They're thinking well if I've made this mistake I want everyone else to be in the same boat as me.
Yeah.
Whereas if I've made the sacrifice, you know, if I've made the, I've taken the hit, right?
If I've made the sacrifice, other people should.
And people become invested, right?
If you've taken a course of action, you want to, you want to defend, you want to defend it and you, you know, you become invested, you want to justify it.
So yeah.
Yeah.
There'll be a lot of that.
Um, do you know who I'm, I'm interviewing after this, doing my podcast.
Sorry, interview.
I don't do interviews, I do podcasts.
Tell me.
This afternoon, I've probably got the most requested podcast guest ever.
Go on.
Rainer Fulmich.
Oh, go on.
Right.
I should know, but I don't.
Tell me.
There are two theories on the people that are going to save the world.
One I don't believe, one I semi-believe.
The one I don't believe is that Trump is our white knight saviour and that there is a QAnon thing about how... No, that's not going to happen.
Tom Hanks and a few others have been executed by these special, you know, deep state swamp combating squads of white hats.
No, it ain't happening.
Trump's not going to come back.
There is no plan.
But Rainer Fulmich is the German-American lawyer who has been conducting these hearings and he's very well informed.
And he has a track record of, for example, he took the case against Volkswagen for their cheating on their emissions, on their diesel car and so on.
So he's got a record of taking kind of big institutions, big business to the cleaners.
I'm going to ask him, where are these trials?
When are we going to get a COVID Nuremberg?
Because it would be bloody great if we did.
I don't think we will because I think that the swamp is so deep and powerful or, you know, that the evil first families that really control the world that, you know, they've been around for thousands of years and they're going to win.
But but nevertheless, it would be nice to think that somebody is going to stop this nonsense.
Yeah, no, it would be nice.
And as you know, I, yeah, I would love a Covid Crimes Tribunal.
And people like this lawyer are very important in terms of just, again, changing the narrative so people understand that this, this is, you know, these are completely at the very most unethical campaigns.
Campaigns of Fear, which I think they admitted in the Telegraph, a campaign of fear to lock people up for a year.
Now there's another unethical coercion, you know, a vaccine coercion campaign.
So it's really important.
I mean, again, like you, I don't think we're going to get it because we'll probably get it right after we get the trial of Hillary.
So when Hillary's trial is finished.
Yeah, well, right.
So when hell freezes over.
I'm still waiting for her to be locked up.
Then, you know, as you say, they're so embedded, it would be difficult.
And it would be, you would have to switch public opinion first, right?
And for people to actually realise they stole a year and a half of your life.
No, it wasn't worth it.
No, it didn't help people.
In fact, it's probably condemned millions of people to death by starvation in the third world.
They were wrong.
You were subjected to a media propaganda campaign, so it's not entirely your fault.
Do you think that's one of the people who say, I've got to have some lunch before my interview, Those of us who say that the mainstream media is corrupt beyond measure, that it promulgates lies and has done for probably since forever, that you cannot trust any of the narrative, it's all fake.
Those of us who say this are mocked as conspiracy theorists.
But in order to test this hypothesis, all you've got to think of is put yourself in the position of the press.
Only two years ago, you remember, if you were, say, editing the Daily Mail?
Yes.
Or a similar newspaper.
And there was, say, an epidemic of untreated cancer deaths, or an epidemic of suicides.
It would be such, it would have been such a major story.
It would have been like all these heartbreaking stories about these young people snatched in the prime of their life but they've committed suicide because of mental health issues.
Or people, cancer, I mean cancer used to be the number one kind of health scare, didn't it, that we were all worried about?
So if there was a massive uptick in cancer cases, untreated, undiagnosed, because of the healthcare system, a broken healthcare system, there would have been loads of heart-rending stories about this.
Suddenly, all the people who've died in this way have been written off as if they didn't exist.
The media has just kind of switched completely.
This is psychopathic behaviour.
This is not the behaviour Yeah, well, they're just furthering the government aims, you know, it's all collateral damage to them.
And these are people who have made the sacrifice to protect the NHS, right?
The God that is the NHS.
So, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, it would take a very brave person in the media room, right?
To stand up and say we're going to, we're going to, we're going to fight this.
So it's going to go on for a while.
It amazes me, as I said, especially those who bought into it, given up a year and a half of their lives, taking their crazy experimental vaccine, are now, you know, they're going to threaten, this variant thing basically means the vaccine's irrelevant, right?
Because any variant can come along at any time.
So they are going to run this, and they are going to run this.
And it's the uncertainty as well, as you say.
Yeah, if they have to cancel some cancer treatments, then so be it.
It's their total, it's their forever war, right?
Oh, we've won it on one front.
It is their forever war.
We've won it on one front.
Oh, but look, look at this coming down the road.
I mean, who knew it was going to come?
Yeah, it's genius.
And again, the genius of it is whatever you do is never enough, and you'll always be a threat to someone else, right?
And if you don't go along with what the government say, whatever the latest crazy government mandate is, you're selfish.
And essentially, I think I tweeted yesterday, it's gone from three weeks to flatten the curve to take this experimental vaccine or else.
It's our only way out of the lockdown.
No, you could just lift the lockdown.
Oh, so right.
This is your choice that you're given, right?
It's it's such nonsense.
So here's my my my scary parting thought.
It's about a year, isn't it?
Since we've we've gone in the space of a year, we've gone from three weeks to flatten the 18 months, three weeks to flatten the curve to take the vaccine or else.
Yes.
So if we're now, if our starting point is now take the vaccine or else, where are we going to be in 18 months time?
Well, I told you it'll be make your kids take it or else, and then God knows what they'll do after that.
Then they may stop with the kids because they'd have done so much damage, right?
They'd have made so much money.
They'll never stop.
You know?
Yeah.
This is the end.
Oh, lovely.
OK, thanks.
That's cheery.
I know.
Yeah.
Talking of which.
One.
Jim Morrison.
He was an agent of them, all rock stars are.
You know that Jim Morrison's father was the naval officer in charge of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which was the false flag event which led to the Vietnam War.
And if you look at all the Laurel Canyon, I got this from that guy who does these, who writes about the connection between the music industry and the global, globalist elite.
And it's fascinating.
All the kind of successful rock stars, music stars of that period all had high ranking military parents.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, vaguely linked, I also heard, oh yeah, you know, Eric Clapton has come out and said he had really, really bad reaction.
I know!
Yeah, really bad reaction.
Yeah, and also I texted you, I say, Bill Maher, despite having the vaccine, tested positive.
Although I, you wonder if it's just the IGPCR tests or despite the, despite Brexit, despite the vaccine, despite the vaccine.
Maybe it's because We should get that going.
You still can't go on holiday.
And despite the vaccine, we still can't open up in June.
You know, it's just never ending.
It's a bit like, if you exchange despite, because instead of despite, you probably have the truth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And blame your neighbour.
Not all the MPs who voted for this crazy regime.
Basically, they've set up this tyrannical, a tyrannical governmental regime and said the only way you're getting out of it is by doing X. X currently is take the dodgy vaccine.
I mean, it's the very definition of tyranny, right?
It is.
It is the definition of tyranny.
And we're going to leave them hanging for more, because I've got to go and have some of my lunch now.
No, have your lunch.
We've got it in.
Okay, great.
I'm glad we got this one in, because I think this has been a particularly bad week and we needed to talk about it.
Definitely, definitely.
Okay, take care.
Have a good one.
Bye.
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