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Jan. 1, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
01:06:52
James and Laura's Chinwag #8
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So, Happy New Year, Laura.
I see you're wearing black on the outside because that is how you feel on the inside.
Is that right?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, they're gunning for the schools now, so that's peak bottom for me, from a selfish point of view.
It's not selfish.
It's not selfish at all.
I haven't got children at all.
I think it matters so much, so much that our children are being denied an education.
No, I know.
I mean, what kind of... In fairness, Robert Halfon, I think, has been on the TV today going, you know, you can't do this.
All these disadvantaged kids are going to be hurt the most, which is true.
You know, my kids will be fine overall.
But they won't have even gotten through their last catch-up lessons from the last disastrous lockdown.
And now as usual, as usual, because again, you know, Boris supposedly and Gavin Williamson are pushing for them to be open.
And who wants them closed?
The Ayatollahs of Sage and their handmaidens Hancock and Gove.
I mean, what is it with Michael Gove?
It's a bit like the question about how do you transmute base metal into gold?
It's a mystery akin to the Philosopher's Stone.
What did happen to Michael Goad?
I've got a theory, and it's in the vaguest sense.
There was the terrible, terrible time when George Osborne went on Oleg Deripaska's yacht with Nat Rothschild.
And something happened there.
Osborne embraced the dark side.
I'm pretty sure that something similar must have happened to Gove.
That he's been shown something.
He's been taken into a high place and been shown the world by Satan.
And instead of doing the Jesus thing, which is what you or I would have done, he's embraced evil.
There's no way around this one.
Yeah.
He's terrible.
And I mean, this is, this is again, because, uh, you know, I, I have been pushing the evil line for, for a lot.
So there's probably, there's three lines of opposition to this.
If I could split them a bit and you might like this, but the first is when people get bogged down in the numbers and I know the numbers are important, you know, but like, Oh, it's not this many cases and more people will be, you know, uh, killed by the lockdown that, you know, okay.
It's an important debate to have, but it's not, It's not critical for me.
The second is, you know, is there really a big overarching plan here, which there probably is, you know, the Great Reset Line, which is, they may all be true, of course, which is fine.
But for me, maybe because I'm a lawyer and I just always think in values, even if we were wrong on one and two, it's just evil.
What they are doing is unethical.
Shutting schools down is unethical.
I mean, I don't care how bad the cases might be and that your hospitals might be overwhelmed.
You know, you're basically asking children to sacrifice their education for the institution of the NHS.
And I went through it with my blog, which I will talk about now, that I laid out yesterday on our COVID Crimes Tribunal.
This stuff is inhumane and degrading treatment, stopping people from working, stopping people from running their businesses, stopping people from meeting up with family and friends.
And it can't be justified in the legal sense.
This prohibition against torture, and I said what they're doing to some of the children, self-isolating them, amounts to torture because of significant mental harm.
In the case law, it would amount to torture.
And you can't justify that.
There's no second article below it that says, oh no, but if there's a public health emergency, you know, yeah, you can torture kids.
To really simplify for the viewers, and this is the great torture, so there's an absolute prohibition against torture, even if you have your terrorist in the corner, right, and he's about to blow up Blue Water, you can't torture him for the codes.
Now, you might say, there's an absolute prohibition on it.
And similarly, I think this amounts to inhumane and degrading treatment.
So don't bother talking to me about, oh, well, you know, you have to balance it against the NHS, blah, blah, blah.
No!
It's a total prohibition.
So just, just, just stop it.
You're, you're, you're, you're inflicting significant mental harm and, you know, on individuals and you can't, there's no justification for it.
No, listen Laura, I'm quite excited by this because it's not often that I get much consolation from lawyers.
I think it hasn't been a good year for the law generally.
You think about how Simon Dolan's judicial reviews have been turned down for the flimsiest of reasons, like, yeah, we're in the pay of the government, so we're going to toe the government's line.
And then you've got the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court of the USA, even worse, Chief Justice Roberts, Caught on video saying he's never going to let Trump get back into power.
I mean, this is the head of the Supreme Court.
These guys are supposed to deal with law.
And their ridiculous claim that they can't deal with election fraud because, what, Texas has no standing.
I mean, if states don't have standing within the Supreme Court, what is the point of the US Constitution?
That's how the system works.
Anyway, that's by the by.
But you've given me hope there that there is a legal case for prosecution against Matt Hancock, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove.
And the other piece of law happiness I've experienced this year is that German, what's his name, the chap who is pursuing the PCR tests.
Well, yeah.
That gives me hope as well.
Yeah, well I think there are two important cases.
I think it was in Portugal they said you cannot use the PCR test to force quarantine.
That was good.
Because they're so unreliable.
And the second one, in Austrian court, I said, you can't impose face masks on school children.
They said again, it'll be similar lines.
It's inhumane.
It's degrading.
And yeah, you know, it strips people of liberty or dignity.
It's all similar.
kind of language.
But it seems that, I mean, you know, this is the thing about the Human Rights Act.
You know, it's so disappointing.
The biggest breach of collective human rights we've witnessed in our lifetime, and the Supreme Court won't even hear us.
You know, I mean-- - I know. - What's the point?
It's bonkers.
If you're a terrorist or a rapist, you can use the act to delay your deportation or whatever it might be.
But if you're an ordinary hard-working person who doesn't want their business closed down, you just don't have any comeback.
You don't have any say.
Yes, exactly.
I had this experience over Christmas, just another of the horrible... I mentioned this to Toby on his show, but I think... I'm not sure how much our audiences cross over these days, because you're so much more hardcore than Toby, that I think, you know, the cuck element doesn't bother with this show.
So, a relative of mine is quite severely disabled.
He is in...
Permanent, permanent pain.
He's got, his back has basically turned to chalk.
So all his, you know, all his spine is, it's awful.
He's in so much pain all the time.
And one of the few consolations in his pain riddled, riddled life was that he'd managed to get through the Welsh NHS, which is a tremendous achievement because the Welsh NHS is just like the worst, the most incompetent.
He managed to get some, um acupuncture treatment and the acupuncture treatment was a welcome respite from um from painkillers and it worked and it just gave him a a slot in his life where he was just had escape escape from the horror well for the last nine months he has not had his his acupuncture treatment because of this imaginary illness this imaginary pandemic
No, I mean, this is the thing though, if we can just, you know, this person is a real person in terms of people kind of, you know, sitting over.
And by the way, when I say previously for selfish reasons, what I mean is really, you know, me homeschooling my children is minor compared to your friend having, your relative having his entire, you know, small amount of pain relief.
Canceled.
I mean, living in pain.
Thankfully, I've never had it.
It's just, it's really horrific.
And what the government are saying is he's expendable.
You know, just deal with it.
You know, you're we've got bigger fish.
We don't want photos of the NHS overwhelmed.
So you go and live in your pain for nine months.
You're not, it's just not important.
You're just a number on, literally a number on a screen to Neil, to people like Neil Ferguson.
And that's the whole point about having individual rights, you know, is that the individual counts and cannot be crushed against this greater, you know, greater state machine.
It's just scandalous.
And oh, anyway, go on, you go on, what were you going to say?
I know.
Another thing, I didn't take communion this Christmas for the first time since I can remember.
I didn't sing the Christmas carols because we weren't allowed to sing Christmas carols.
You had to wear a mask.
and you weren't allowed to sing hymns and you had a kind of sort of semi-communion where I think they dipped the wafer into the wine and they gave it to you and you because my wife and daughter went and I wouldn't go and somebody tweeted to me you're missing the point about Christmas communion and actually no no mate you're missing the point I wouldn't mind if
If right now we were experiencing a genuine pandemic and if somehow we lived in a world where actually masks did make a difference and if all these things applied then I think it would be reasonable to go to church wearing a mask Having this fake communion, not singing hymns.
But we do not live in that world.
We are being gaslit or gaslighted.
This is a sham, the whole thing.
So whenever you're participating in this charade, you are endorsing this charade.
And I can tell you one thing.
God does not want this shit.
He really doesn't.
I don't believe that, you know, I failed in his eyes by failing to go through the charade to take communion.
The decent people, the noble people, are fighting against this stuff tooth and nail because our civilization depends on it.
And anyone who doesn't get that hasn't been paying attention.
No, I know what you mean.
I mean, you have to be, as you say, you have to be careful not to endorse it.
I'm the only one at our church that doesn't wear a mask.
And I can tell it kind of irks.
And I have had people, I tell you, they're on it like, they are on it quick, you know.
Why aren't you wearing a mask?
I just say that I'm exempt.
But like, you know, pretty much everybody else does.
And I'm not a huge fan of it.
But I just, yeah, I mean, I certainly refuse to wear a mask.
It's just, it is a complete and utter endorsement of this mad policy.
Although I did take Camino at Christmas.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
It's getting more ridiculous.
Have you noticed the papers now?
For the next month all they are going to do is pump out pro-government propaganda pushing for harder and harder lockdowns.
There's no talk about any loosening up.
Now the aim is to close the schools.
Can we get the schools closed?
And those fanatics Those ayatollahs, as I said in Sage, are now pushing to close the schools.
I mean, there'll be literally nothing left.
And there was a piece in The Guardian, I mean, as I said, I wouldn't, they're making it so obvious.
This is their, the war with Eurasia has ended, right?
The first variant is over.
And now, now we have a new war You know, I mean, they're literally using our 1984 as a handbook.
And the opening paragraph to this Guardian article, which was written, of course, by the even crazier independence age, was like, we're in a completely different place than we were in April.
This is even worse than April, because this is a super, super, duper, super, super spreading virus.
So, you know, we have to launch our new war on the super spreading virus.
And I'm like, you're not even trying.
Like, you're not even trying to be reasonable.
You know, it's just... But of course, the worst thing about it, and this is my despair, is how, as usual, everybody's going with it.
Like, the polls again, I mean, maybe they're corrupt, will be huge, you know.
Oh yeah, lockdown, lock the schools down, lock us all down.
You know, I just... I can only assume, because of the propaganda from the BBC, that our hospitals are going to be overwhelmed.
It is so... Unfortunately, I do really think we're up against it.
It's just...
It's the insanity.
I don't think we've even reached peak insane yet.
We haven't, Laura.
We haven't.
I'm glad you brought up this weird outpouring of loyalty towards our fascist regime.
At the weekend.
The weekend just gone.
This is why I have, in the last few days, I have completely given up on the mainstream media.
I will not read the copies of the newspaper that come through the door anymore, which my wife insists on.
It's a habit.
The habit of a lifetime.
She likes to read the newspapers and accepts that they are compromised.
I can't do it anymore.
I was just looking at the, glancing across at wife's newspapers and I saw that they were full of articles in praise of Boris Johnson and his family, the way he delivered Brexit.
Yeah.
And one chap, whose name I won't mention because he's a friend of mine, actually wrote a piece comparing Boris to Margaret Thatcher.
And I just thought this is, I mean, it is like living in the Soviet Union.
This is the kind of thing that Pravda would have done.
This is the kind of thing that North Korean state media would be producing.
Nobody gives a damn about, no real person gives a damn about Brexit, not in the broader context of the destruction of our economy.
And again, people who don't understand this, Are either brainwashed or stupid or both, because whatever tiny benefits we get from Brexit are nothing to the disaster that's been imposed on us by government as a result of coronavirus.
I know, I know.
I mean, the Telegraph had the gall to run, you know, a big practically celebration edition on Sunday.
And Boris saying how Britain was going to be, you know, was going to be brilliant.
We're going to we're going to release them all.
We're going to release businesses from regulation.
I mean, you're just like, you've literally closed them all down.
I would think that's the biggest regulation of all.
They cannot operate.
You're just thinking, this is a form of sort of ambush.
This is a form of either gaslighting.
You know, they kind of switch between the two.
It's all like, you know, nothing, nothing to see here.
We've set everything on fire.
But look, we have this shiny new deal and we're going to, we're going to liberate our businesses from what exactly?
From a tiny regulation that they made in Brussels that, I don't know, cups have to be a certain size when the coffee shop can't even open?
Really?
This is what you're going to, this is, I mean, it, Yeah, I mean, there are no words.
Oh, yes, I shouldn't.
My mother refuses to watch this because she thinks I'm too extreme.
I'm an online extremist, according to my dad.
No, no, no, you're reasonable.
You are, you are, you are the hope.
Of course, I had lots of phone calls with them, you know, over Christmas.
I get the photographs, they went around to my brother's and I get the photographs and they're wearing their mask.
They were going to stay for dinner and they're wearing their mask and they have their dinner in their takeaway.
But they decided then not to stay, that they would just visit, you know, for a short amount of time and then take the dinner that my sister-in-law had cooked for them, in fairness, and then bring it back to the house.
And I'm just like, You know, obviously part of me is like, you know, I was like, if the Irish government told you to stand on your head and wiggle your toes, like, you do it.
You know, you would literally, you would do it because it's just, yeah.
And again, these are reasonable people and it just shows me then what we are up against because They're so invested.
And of course, the longer it goes on, they do that whole, there's a specific name for it, isn't it?
Well, we've sacrificed so much, you know, and we're right at the... Oh, the sunk cost fallacy.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Yeah, exactly.
And so the longer it goes on, I mean, I can understand why people would think that.
If you're a bit older and you become invested in it, you know, you don't really want to think you've torched the last nine months of your life for nothing.
Right?
You don't want to think that you just made yourself the opportunity to see your grandkids for nothing.
So, um, they can just feed them on this for the vaccines just around the corner.
And, uh, just, you know, it's only a couple of more months, just hang in there.
Um, and it'll all be over.
But I, I, I, I am, I'm not, I don't think it's, do you notice how it gets further and further?
So it was going to be all be over by Easter.
And then that handcuffs fit in over a Christmas.
It's like, yeah, I mean, 2022 will look very different.
Yes, yes.
What?
Where was 2021?
Where did that go?
All of 2021 now, really?
And again, people are still... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, well, you know, what are you going to do?
Well, so buy Bitcoin, I should think.
Laura, but before we... I want to launch you into what I know will be a spectacular rant when we talk about Neil Ferguson's interview in The Times.
But before that, Wait, wait.
I wanted a brief comedy interlude.
From our last chinwag, number seven, somebody called Mark Shepard has said, may I ask a question?
If all this that you talk about is true, and it's a big conspiracy, then I think the decent people of this island will rise up and confront this.
However, if this again proves to be the same doom and gloom spreading done every time there is a crisis in this country or the world, and again your assumptions are proved wrong, will you publicly apologise to the subscribers and those that have watched your broadcast?
Laura, I don't know who this Mark Sheppard is, and I don't know whether it was Christian charity.
No.
No.
So I replied to him, but not you, eh, Mark?
You're just going to sit on the fence with splinters up your bottom, hedging your bets, not taking any action, but ready to judge those braver, better informed people out there, giving you fair warning of what's coming.
I think you need to man up.
God, I hate being told to man up.
Not that anyone does very often these days, but I think he deserved it.
What a pathetic remark.
Anyway, now.
Yeah.
No, the Neil Ferguson interview in the Times, which should be referred to as a confession, It wasn't an interview.
It was a confession, basically.
Well, you wrote the piece on Breitbart.
I should have done it, but you did a great piece, of course, which I did tweet.
So, well, let's just do a brief one now for the viewers.
Let's not assume.
So, Neil Ferguson gives an interview to who?
The Tom Whipple or something in The Times?
The softest interview, a disgrace to journalism.
Oh yeah, Tonga Bliss.
The science correspondents are rubbish.
They are so bought and paid for by...
We really need quotes, James.
We need quotes.
And he basically, he starts off with, you know, he just starts off with, yeah, it was going to be terrible.
And people didn't realise how bad it would be.
And then they talk about, and then China locked down.
And the discussions at SAGE were like, same as what me and you would have said, we can't lock down, do a Chinese lockdown, a Chinese communist lockdown, because we're not communists.
We're a liberal western democracy with individual rights.
And then his words were, but then Italy did it.
We didn't think we could get away with it, direct quote, we didn't think we could get away with it, but then Italy did it and yeah, we realised we could.
Well, dear viewer, you only use the words get away with something when you know you're at least acting immorally.
And then, of course, towards the end of the interview, he brings up China again.
And of course, actually, I tweeted what the interviewer adds in is almost worse than what Ferguson said, because as Ferguson goes on and then the interviewer goes, oh, well, we wouldn't know.
We wouldn't hesitate.
Lockdowns are now orthodoxy.
That was added in.
And if there was another pandemic, we wouldn't hesitate to lock down.
So they've already locked you down, people, viewers, in case you don't think this is a conspiracy.
They've already locked you down for the next pandemic.
That's not even up for discussion, according to the Times, because lockdowns are now orthodoxy.
And also, Laura, the bar for a pandemic is now set so low because, of course, the World Health Organization redefined pandemic in order to make it much, much milder.
There didn't need to be a kind of massive death rate to be proved.
So anytime they feel like it now, they can deter a pandemic.
No, you're actually even more.
But no, I know.
And again, as I tweeted yesterday, because people don't seem to understand that this is about values, in that even, oh, this goes back to you, Mark, you know, am I going to apologise?
Are you going to apologise for all the suicides that you can't undo because of this?
And all the cancelled cancer treatments that you can't undo?
You know, so the goal of people, say lockdown does end in September 2021, they go now.
Now you are wrong.
You're going to apologize.
They said three weeks to flatten the curve.
I said, don't legitimize lockdowns as a form of governance.
So no, I will not be apologizing.
So this is a long rant.
So at the very beginning, the reason I oppose a lockdown, I said, I said, when others on the right were saying, yeah, well, let's just go along with it.
It's three weeks to flatten the curve.
I said, do not legitimize lockdowns as a form of governance.
It is not a legitimate tool for a democratic government to use.
So even if these lockdowns end, because then people don't understand, again, in law, precedent is so important.
If you set a precedent, right, it's impossible to roll back from it.
So this is now a precedent.
This is now a legitimate tool in whatever government's arsenal for locking down in a pandemic, as you say.
So we'll never get back the value that you cannot lock down citizens in a liberal democracy.
You're never getting that back, no matter, even if the lockdowns do end.
So our value system has changed so fundamentally, namely that you can crush individual liberty, you can crush individual rights, you can use communist tools in Western democracies, These are all now considered legitimate tools of governance, and nothing will undo that.
I don't think we'll ever recover from this.
I don't think we ever recovered from the First World War, and I don't think we're ever going to recover from the way the value system has changed due to these lockdowns.
And then they're getting their knickers, oh, the 40,000 cases of, we have to go out, for a virus that you have to go out and find.
That you have to go out and find.
That's how bad this virus is.
You know, so what else can be said?
It's a complete disaster.
And as I said, lockdowns are now the default position, right?
It's the status quo.
So people go, oh, well, what would you suggest?
No, no, no, you're proposing crushing individual rights.
You have to justify your position.
I don't have to justify liberty.
That was a given.
But now lockdown's the status quo.
People just don't understand how unbelievably fucked we are.
Sorry.
Do you know what lots of people are thinking right now, Laura?
What?
They're thinking, I wish Laura were my Prime Minister or my President, depending on what country they're from.
It's true, it's true.
I'd rather be playing my piano or watching a movie with the girls.
I genuinely, I would rather not be doing this.
Whereas a lot of other people, you know, they like a lockdown because it keeps them, they can keep writing articles in the, all the Karen's.
There was a fair few Karen articles in the Sunday Times, by the way.
How very dare you have your adult children down to Christmas.
So this is all, you know, that keeps them in business.
But you know, I'd rather not be here, to be honest.
No, but listen, nobody wants this stuff in their lives.
I keep quoting it because it's just so good.
And I feel, and I'm sure you feel the same way.
You remember that scene in The Fellowship of the Ring?
There's an exchange between Frodo and Gandalf.
And Frodo says, I wish it need not have happened in my time, said Frodo.
So do I, said Gandalf.
And so do all So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
Unfortunately, I think people, a few of us are coming round to the realisation that this is the, this is one of those moments in history that we never expected we'd have to live through.
Because we kind of believed in that sort of Francis Fukuyama fantasy.
We'd experienced the end of history, that sort of liberal democracy had reached its apogee and from now on it was just, we were just going to coast in this, you know, free speech was a given.
Catholicism had won.
Not having lockdowns was a given.
None of this stuff, when you and I were at university, This year would have been like, you wouldn't have believed it.
I mean, if somebody had written a dystopian novel about it, you'd have thought, well, that's a dystopian novel.
That is not a portrait of any world that I've ever liked to live in.
And yet here we are.
The only thing also in terms of how few we are in the Lord of the Rings, you know, it may well come down to a great big battle.
I wouldn't rule that out.
But I think in one of the... I mean, I forget some of them, but I think in the end, isn't there, there's a huge army of orcs, right?
And there's like, say, a million of them, right?
They're so outnumbered.
And Frodo and the gang, there's like, what, I'd say the equivalent of literally about 10,000, right?
They're completely outnumbered.
There's this great line, you know, we are so few and they are so many.
And currently, that is the current state of play.
Of course, then the army of the undead did come along and help them, which may well be the Saints.
We may well need the Saints to rise up and help us when the time comes.
I rule nothing out.
So, you know, I mean, Lord of the Rings, in terms of getting out of this, may well have to become our handbook.
But, I mean, things, you know, things are bad and it's certainly, I am afraid, a lot of it has to do with dying masculinity, how few people are willing to man up.
You know, how I see loads of men just trundling along there with their masks on and you're just like, what the hell is wrong with you?
Why are you doing this?
Because people are probably willing to go along with the Amazon and the Netflix.
Oh, now, people who like this.
Now, James, there are people who like lockdown.
I mean, you said none of us want to be here.
I mean, yeah, you and me don't want to be here.
I think a lot of people like lockdown.
You get to be sanctimonious, judgmental.
Grab the high moral ground wrongly, you know, because, oh, that person is leaving their house.
How dare you?
Right?
There's the narcissists as well, who just like to ruin other people's joy, and there's plenty of them around.
That's a whole other chapter.
Narcissism, how, you know, if you see somebody having a good time and somebody else wants to crush that, There's loads of people like that, and now this is their time.
I get to crush Christmas.
I get to cancel all the birthday parties.
And then I also think, James, I mean, I just think even your regular people are happy not to socialise and make an effort.
I mean, that sounds bad, but I reckon there's a fair few men out there going, don't have to see the in-laws this time.
Don't have to see her.
She's a pain.
Right.
Especially the working from homers, the middle class, white collar people who are probably pushing this.
You know, they work from home.
They don't have to.
Yeah.
OK.
They probably miss going to the pub a little bit.
But, you know, there's loads of... You can get stuck in your own comfort zone, you know.
And I think there's a lot of that right now.
Did you read... I tweeted this out yesterday.
Oh God.
Somebody tweeted some brilliant tweets about the failure of the intellectual dark web.
Did you see that?
Oh no!
Do you remember there was this thing... I'll see if I can find... Do you remember there was that thing called the intellectual dark web and it was these people on the left and on the right Jordan Peterson and all these kind of blog hosts and stuff, and academics, and some are on the left, some on the right, and they were kind of challenging this politically correct consensus.
But somebody pointed out these people have been nowhere.
In 2020, these people who were supposed to, whose intellectual rigor is, I mean, okay, Jordan Peterson's been ill, but he wasn't the only member of the Intellectual Dark Web.
But where are these people?
Where have they been?
Where have our fellow conservative commentators been in the biggest theft of freedom in our lives?
And it's not just that.
It's not just the coronavirus thing.
I mean, we haven't yet mentioned my other pet topic, because it's intimately connected.
The stolen election of Donald Trump.
Now, I've noticed, because I spend a lot of time on Twitter looking at what conservative Americans are saying, And I've noticed that even some of the hardcore conservative commentators have now gone to the stage where they're more or less conceding the stolen election to Biden.
Even though, for example, in Pennsylvania there were more votes cast than there were actual people living in Pennsylvania.
Like 200,000 more votes cast.
Surely every conservative commentator, I mean every left-wing commentator, should be saying this cannot be allowed to stand, this is wrong.
And instead, you've got even the sort of more hardcore conservative American commentators I follow on Twitter, turning their wrath on those few of us left who are trying to find avenues to victory for Trump.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, they're turning their wrath On the people who are still holding out hope.
Now that seems to be a complete rejection of their responsibilities both as journalists to the truth.
They should be tweeting madly all the time and writing articles about how this cannot be allowed to stand.
If this is allowed to stand, democracy fails and the world fails.
That's all they should be saying.
They shouldn't be saying, oh look at what this mad, crazy Trump person has said.
How ridiculous.
Don't they realise that they've lost?
They shouldn't be saying that.
No, I know.
I mean, I haven't been following the American stuff and I haven't been even following the American blogs as closely.
I mean, I've said to you before that Mark Stein, I don't know how familiar you are with him.
I like Stein.
Yeah, he used to write for the Telegraph and Spectator.
Is he still on side?
Oh yeah.
He's completely like this.
This election was stolen.
He's also very funny.
Um, he, he would be now pretty much as close to you as you can get.
The election was stolen, but he says, I think it's the same as the coronavirus thing, you know, to actually, it's just too scary for a lot of people to believe that these things are true.
You know, that the election was stolen, that they're, it's so they'd rather just, just, um, go along with it.
Yes.
I'm an old-fashioned sort, like you.
Yeah.
And I was brought up reading the kind of books... My parents didn't force them down my throat.
They were probably in the library at my prep school or something.
But they were books about, you know, Biggles, for example.
Yeah.
Or books like Bogeste.
Yeah.
Or books like, I don't know, Ivan.
You know, Ivanhoe.
I never... I saw the movie.
I never read the book.
But for me, Being a coward, not doing the right thing, is a complete failure of... You're not a man.
No, I know.
If you don't stand up for these things, you have failed.
You might as well not exist.
And I think every man should think that, and women in a different way.
They should think what they think.
But, you know, there was an incident when this happened to me.
When I was out hunting.
My last hunt.
And I was stuck in this sort of trappy field and there was this fence that the people I was with were jumping because otherwise you'd have had to go a long way around and you wouldn't have kept up with the fox wherever that was and stuff.
And I didn't want to do it.
I was absolutely shitting myself.
I was not suitable and I shouldn't have done it.
But I thought, you're a man.
This is your job.
You've just got to, you know, you've got to grit your teeth, man up and do it.
And the result was I had a terrible accident and my horse hit the wire and I fell off and busted myself up and it was horrible.
The point was, I did the manly thing, because I felt that was my duty.
Why don't other men feel like this?
What's happened?
Oh, come on.
I mean, this has been, what, nearly the last 30 to 40 years, the state of Western manhood has been on the...
You know, have been going downwards and things like courage in very, in very, I mean, that's a very good example.
But I mean, courage is so lacking now.
I mean, in terms of the media, yeah, people, people are just not willing to stand up to, to what they perceive is the majority view, even if they themselves, believe, you know, innately kind of are with us, say.
It's just too scary to sort of stand up against a big guy.
Or if you're at Twitter, you know, you're on Twitter to be just monstered by like thousands of people online.
But even even, you know, setting aside sort of the Twitter sphere, for instance, for instance, you know, you get loads of look, I'm not saying the women are great, but you get loads of men now that like don't want to be fathers, because that's just too that's that but that's a form of cowardice.
You know, you're not willing to make the sacrifice.
You're not willing to make the investment.
You're not even willing to settle down with someone because, you know, nobody's perfect.
And I might actually have to compromise.
And, you know, I mightn't get to watch all the Netflix programs that I really want to do.
And I might have to do a job I don't want to do.
You know, it actually takes courage to, you know, do what you would have was taken for granted sort of, you know, in the 50s.
To, first of all, marry somebody and have children.
And loads of men can't even be bothered to do that.
And things like courage and duty and just doing the right thing, even though you don't want to do it.
These are foreign concepts to a lot of people.
I mean, look, we've had probably the last What, three to four years has all been about the safe space.
So if you want to be safe, and that's all COVID is about.
Previously, you know, this is from a generation of some men who didn't want to have threatening words or ideas put to them.
So how courageous do you think they're going to be if the big bad virus that threatens them in no way comes at you?
Or then besides, or after that, the government stops you from going to work because of the fake big bad virus?
You know, unfortunately, it's just not a courageous generation.
I mean, for lots of different reasons, they are definitely the least resilient I think we've seen for a long time.
Again, which makes this COVID thing so dangerous for them, because they will just give in to despair a lot easier than you and I, say, would.
They also have a lot less.
We went through this in the other podcast.
They're simply too young to settle down.
They just have a lot less going on.
So despairing and suicide and things like that, it's dangerous and this generation is unfortunately probably one of the least resilient.
They've had an incredibly privileged upbringing in terms of materialism, but in terms of what values they've been given, like, as I said, courage and duty and sacrifice, that is questionable.
They are not values that have been, I think, necessarily handed down to the next generation.
It's bad.
And that's why we've had such little pushback, I think.
There was a very good example of this recently.
The story about the master at Eton, Will Knowledge, who got sacked for making his video.
What he was doing was challenging the culture that had been imposed on the school by their new headmaster, Trendy Hendy.
And Trendy Hendy is a wet.
He's quite literally a social justice warrior.
He was imposed on the school By the provost of Eton.
A lot of this stuff hasn't really come out because a lot of people don't know the inside story.
It's been misreported.
The provost of Eton, Lord Woolgrave, was a wet from Margaret Thatcher's cabinet.
He was dripping, dripping wet.
One of those kind of toffs who wants to undermine the system, wants it all to go to go woke.
So Woolgrave imposed Trendy Hendy on the school and Trendy Hendy brought in this This woke agenda to the school.
And for example, the boys were lectured by Laura Bates of the Everyday Sexism Project.
She's just this random girl who found validation for herself by embracing fourth wave feminism and then dumping it down the throats of hapless schoolboys who were forced to attend these These stupid, stupid lectures.
And there was no counter to it.
So this poor master, Mr. Nolan, was trying to kind of provide a counter to that.
But the broader point I'm making, why it matters, it's not just an incident at a kind of toffee public school that you can't afford, so why should you care?
What it is ultimately is The Duke of Wellington famously said that the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton.
Yes.
And he understood that not just Eton, but all the public schools, they created this ethos of service and sacrifice.
In return for your privilege, you had a sense of noblesse oblige.
You went out there, you might become a district commissioner in sort of 10,000 square miles of hostile Sudanese territory.
And you kept the flag flying and kept sort of order and decency and so on.
These were the values instilled in these boys.
And when you go to Eton, you look at the role of honour, the number of boys, more Etonians died than at any other public school.
I mean, obviously it's a bigger public school, but they've probably won more Victoria Crosses, they've lost more boys in both world wars and they're very conscious of that because they wander through the cloisters on the way to chapel and they see these on the uh in griffin stone or in would i in in a trice in in the space of five years
one cultural marxist infiltrator in the form of trendy hendy has managed to undo what 500 founded in 1440s So how many years of tradition is that?
They've just absolutely buggered it up.
And it's very hard to get that.
But you talk about precedent.
It's very hard to get get that back.
Once precedent has been established for boys being told that they that they're sexist pigs by some random blonde girl called Laura Bates.
No, I know.
Look, I'm glad you brought this up in terms of, because it is all linked to the Covid thing, in terms of wokeism and how it has spread so quickly through all the main institutions and all the corporates, because the corporates are completely signed up to it.
So what you have to understand is the majority of people are obviously not woke.
Okay, it's only a tiny minority, but the tiny minority make the rules.
And unfortunately, and then eventually it trickles down because people compromise.
So if you're, you know, mid level in a corporate in a corporation, but you want to get to the higher level, well, then you have to, you know, you have to pay tribute, right?
Because that is wokeism is a new creed.
Look, I think it's incredibly dangerous.
I mean, there's a number of, so, and this, if you compare it to how Christianity spread, right, so there's a little, so there's obviously a big debate in terms of how, I'm sure it's a huge debate, in terms of how Christianity managed to spread through the Roman Empire, right, in that it was oppressed, and then very, very quickly, in terms of historically, it became the key religion.
And one of the theories again is that, yes, you know, on the ground it was still all pagans, but once, well, Constantine converted, and once you get, you know, the big guys at the top, everybody will eventually start converting.
They mightn't be true believers.
But they're social converts because they know this is what is necessary to get ahead.
And you're going to get essentially exactly the same thing now.
So, you know, as you say, when you say, oh, well, people say it doesn't matter, it's only Eton.
No, it does matter because these are the key institutions.
And if it's happening at Eton, it will spread across all the main key institutions, which I'm afraid have all the big influence to eventually it does trickle down to the massive population.
And then they're all sort of You know, woke believers.
I mean, the scandal about Eton is, again, from my point of view, be like, you have a rich Christian heritage of imbuing Christian virtues, you know, including courage and kindness.
So you don't need Laura Bates in there to tell all the boys that actually you should, there shouldn't be, you know, locker room talk or you shouldn't treat girls badly.
Because you'd already be teaching them that, you know, about about human dignity and that you should be kind to people, et cetera, et cetera, and that you should protect the weak.
I'm afraid women are the weaker sex.
So you can deal with that, Mr. Viewer, viewer person.
So if they were doing their job properly, there is no there is no need for her to be in there, you know, because it's all covered in Christianity in a much better way anyway.
You know, long before the woke guides came along.
So, um, I know, look, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's very, it's very depressing.
Um, and it's spread, as you said, so quickly, but that's all it takes.
It just, because it just, it just multiplies.
And then you get, as I said, you just get people who just go along with it because it's just, it's just too much hassle, right?
Not to go along with it.
And that's, that's exactly what happens.
Or if you want to get ahead, you have to go along with it, right?
You can't speak out because the, the, the head guy.
And you already don't have any courage, as we've already spoken to.
So it's, I mean, a lot of Christian institutions have a lot to, you know, to answer for in that they haven't provided much of a rear guard action to this.
And a lot of them have just just surrendered because it's the, again, it's the easier, it's the easier thing to do.
But it's, you know, it's the same, it's the same thing.
It's just easier to go along with the crowd.
I think we've almost gone back to the era of the early church, Laura.
I think lots of people I know are sort of turning to God, but they're not finding God in the established church, because the established church isn't interested in God anymore.
You get exceptions, you get little outposts, but generally The church has failed us.
The fact that the church hasn't said, we are keeping, the church should have said, we are keeping the house of God open throughout this pandemic.
Yeah.
We're going to unlock all the churches.
We're going to hold services.
And if you don't want to wear a mask, you don't have to.
We're going to carry on because that's our job.
And they haven't been doing that.
They haven't been.
But generally, do you not think that the ancients were obsessed about this?
And I'm sure they were right.
They associated eras when the gods were dishonored with periods of cultural decline and disaster and chaos.
And I think we're living through such times now that the absence of God, the decline of Christianity, Has the melancholy long withdrawing raw has has led to this to this world in which people have substituted their own fake religions and sort of Gaia worship and secular religions.
You know, it is a religion and this is what they're going to worship, but they're really worshipping themselves and their own preciousness and their own precious health.
I mean, you should take care of your health and things.
That's absolutely a requirement.
But you don't ask, you know, you don't trash your entire country for it, especially when it's essentially it's a bad flu.
No, it's complete, it's complete Covid-ism.
I mean, it's just big government.
They just love big government.
I love Big Brother.
Big Brother will keep me safe in my safe house and we'll just, we'll just wait here until, oh yeah, so while we're talking about safe, so it is, it is all linked, it is all linked.
So I watched one of the few things, I watched the Ripper, the Ripper documentary on Netflix.
I don't know if you saw it.
So the documentary on the Yorkshire Ripper, not Jack Ripper.
You know, it's a bit PC here and there, but it's good overall.
And then they covered, you know, the reclaim the night marches.
OK, because the police officers, when things were getting really bad, The police officers obviously told all the women, said, right, you know, to be safe, you just actually have to stay at home.
You just can't go out at night.
Right.
So the women, I think, understandably were like, no, why don't you make the streets safer?
Right.
So this was a don't go out at night.
Save the police.
Right.
Save lives.
This is the original.
Don't lock yourself down.
Save your lives.
Save the police.
Now, obviously, the logical thing then was when feminists, you know, they were right on this, were like, no, no, no, we really fought actually to go out and go to the pub and stuff.
We're not going to be locking ourselves down.
You make the street safe.
So they went out on a march and they said, you know, we're reclaiming the night.
And why don't you curfew the men?
Don't be curfewing us, right?
Don't curfew the men and stuff.
And I'm just thinking, I was thinking, man, you know, fair dues to those radical feminists.
They're all young, obviously.
I reckon a lot of them now have, they wouldn't hide from a knife wielding murderous maniac.
A lot of them now will be hiding in their houses from a bad flu.
The exact same women 30 years ago, you know, when they were 19, they took to the streets and refused essentially to be locked down.
And that was just at night.
They refused to be locked down.
No, I'm not hiding from the hammer wielding maniacs are right now sitting at home ordering in their waitrose because the big bad flu is out there.
Do you know, I think the diabolical genius of the COVID religion, this is the thing that's given it its power.
And there's no coincidence that SAGE mostly comprises behavioural scientists rather than actual scientists.
And it's this, the way they have embedded in this religion, this clause of sort of pathological altruism, whereby you're not going through these rituals for yourself, it's not for you, it's for the NHS, and it's to protect your Every relative, your granny, whatever.
And everyone, all the bedwetters, they always, they always quote I've heard it throughout Christmas.
I want to go to this Boxing Day lunch but I can't because my cleaning lady or my mother or my so-and-so has these underlying conditions and then they'll dwell on the underlying conditions and they'll talk about the cancer or whatever.
Well, lots of people have got underlying conditions.
We got on with life before and suddenly it's okay.
You're one of the good guys because you're wearing a mask to protect the NHS and protect other people and therefore you can do what you like.
You're bulletproof.
You're morally bulletproof.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it is absolute genius.
You're right, it's complete genius.
It's an invisible virus, so you can't see us, but yet it makes everybody else enemies.
It can change, right?
It can change all the time, so it's a constant war.
We'll be doing this, you know, forever, basically.
People can always be resurrected!
Can be reckless with your own life, but what about all the other people?
And then they're pushing, they're still pushing this asymptomatic thing, which has been completely debunked by the British Medical Journal.
If you feel fine, you are not a carrier.
And they keep, oh, even if you're well, act like you're sick.
As I said before, no, that is a form of, as I said, Munchausen disease by proxy.
If you're well, you're well.
You know, we didn't, we didn't, we, if you're well, you're well.
If you're not well, that's, that's different.
But yeah, and now, so even if you're well, you still have to stay at home because, you know, you could be a secret carrier and infect, infect other people.
No, it's complete, it's complete genius.
It's, it is literally, it's foolproof.
It's a foolproof plan.
I don't know who thought of it.
It's genius.
It's so clever that it can do things like, when it knows that the government needs justification to extend the lockdowns or cancel Christmas or whatever, what it does is it cunningly mutates so that it becomes 70% more infectious.
It mutates, doesn't it?
It becomes a mutant virus.
What they're saying is you're the mutants.
Really, you're the mutants.
You know, so it's making the general populace both sick and now mutants.
I mean, look, it's sick.
The people behind it.
It is demonic.
The people behind this are completely sick.
And, you know, I just you don't know how long it's going to go on for.
No, it's complete genius.
It's so flexible.
You know, it can it can come up and down when it wants to.
But so they managed.
I wonder.
So they managed to say it's more it's more transmissible, but it's not more fatal.
I just, in which case you'll be saying so what.
OK, so we'll just get herd immunity quicker.
OK.
Yes.
Well, no, no.
But don't forget the WHO has actually redefined herd immunity.
So it doesn't exist.
You don't get.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Only by vaccine.
Yeah.
But Laura.
Lots of people are going to have going to be their heads are going to be put in the next going to be injured.
They're going to spend the next year having to try and book osteopathic treatments that they can't actually go to because of will be in Tier 5 by then, but they've been nodding so furiously.
But have we got anything we can round off by cheering people up?
What did you get for Christmas?
Did you get anything nice?
I mean, I got, I got lots of, I got lots of nice things.
I can't remember.
Yeah, I mean, it was, it was, look, as I said, in a way, as I said, this lockdown, I think, can make people selfish.
Day to day, James, I'm fine.
I could totally do the sanctimonious, you know, oh, look, she's leaving and she's leaving.
I'm happy here with the whole family.
I do think it kind of makes you a bit socially lazy.
You know, you don't have to make an effort with people.
But I just think it's wrong what they're doing.
It was, look, it was all good.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty much, I do think this is very bad.
The vaccine gives me no hope because of the, they can easily, once they run the vaccine out, they can easily say, oh, it's mutated now, sorry, you can beat the vaccine.
Nothing stops them from doing that.
Basically, the government now has, there are no limits on the government power, which to me is the scariest thing anybody can ever say to me.
Anything goes.
There's no limiting principle to what they can do.
And I mean, you can do whatever you want with a vaccine, right?
It can spread quicker.
It can be more.
It can be, maybe it'll kill you more.
Maybe it'll kill you less.
It'll spread with kids.
It won't spread with kids.
They can do whatever they want.
You know, they can do it.
Oh, the Nightingale Hospitals.
I know you want me to finish positive.
So, right, our hospitals are being overwhelmed, but they're decommissioning the Nightingale Hospitals.
Could it have been that they built those Nightingale Hospitals knowing that they would never have the nursing staff to go in there?
Was this just another way to scare the population?
You know, you don't want to end up out there in the XL Centre.
Like, who's made all the money from that?
They were completely pointless.
They built them, and then they've just taken them down.
Oh, Laura, please let there be criminal trials.
I mean, this is just fraud, isn't it?
On a massive scale.
I mean, fraud implies lying, and they don't even try anymore.
You know, they just act as if they're so blatant about it.
You know?
Laura, can you clear up one thing for me, as a lawyer?
Because I'm slightly worried about this.
Yeah.
The law ought to operate independently of whichever government is in power, shouldn't it?
Yeah.
And yet I'm not getting the vibe that that's happening anymore.
Not in the US, not in the UK even.
Unless someone takes a criminal prosecution, unless someone lays charges, you know, unless another government comes in and says we're setting up a public inquiry.
I mean there may well be a public inquiry into the care homes.
I mean Amnesty, which I wouldn't be normally a big fan of, have already said that basically what went on in there.
I mean, they refused admission from nursing homes into hospitals and dumped people who were infected with COVID back into nursing homes to protect the hospitals.
The only reason they're doing this is they don't want photographs of NHS hospitals overrun.
And they will do whatever it takes to stop that happening because it's bad PR.
And if it means putting infected people back into nursing homes, so be it.
That's literally all they will do.
It's not about saving lives.
But Laura, I can't see... you talk about a new government coming in.
No, I know.
Keir Starmer is infinitely more compromised than even this corrupt rogues gallery of dodgy, you know, of failed politicians.
So I don't hold out much hope there.
It's going to be a long time, but they're going to be old men even when these trials come.
We hope.
I mean, it would take a lot of me and you to kind of run as MPs and then say, right, we're setting up this, we're setting up a tribunal.
We're not doing that though, are we?
No, but, or again, there's huge public, there's huge public pressure for it.
You know, but, oh no, hang on, hang on.
I'll end on a good note.
Okay.
Now, unfortunately, I think the zoos are running low on food for the animals.
Didn't you do a podcast on this?
I did, I did a podcast on, on, on, on Cotswold Wildlife Park.
Yeah.
I met, I met the rhinos.
Obviously the punishment when our super duper very quick COVID crimes tribunals will be, we will just feed Matt Hancock and Sage and the rest of them to the zoos that have been run short on food.
So we can just put Matt Hancock in the lion's cage and in the lion's enclosure and we can see how he gets on.
That's the plan.
What if the lions, The Lions might get Hancock poisoning.
That would be cruel.
That would be wrong.
They're probably too good for even.
They probably wouldn't even want to go near him.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
Look, what can I say?
It's not great at the moment.
Mainly, as I said, because people legitimized the very, very first lockdown, which you should never do.
All the papers are completely signed on to this.
They're a disgrace.
Disgrace.
So we can't really bring that much cheer to people in 2021.
What I will say, Laura, I had a very Delingpole Christmas in which basically we just went fuck off to all the regulations.
We had loads of family members round.
We just carried on as normal.
It was fantastic.
Really good.
Luckily, thank God my children were on side.
Yeah, that is good.
That is good.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you're out there in the country, aren't you?
No, I mean, it's very rare where everybody's, you know, singing from the same hymn sheet.
I've seen so many families divided by this.
That was another diabolical thing that they've managed to do.
They managed to ruin Christmas for so many people by creating this division within families, ranging from those who believe the government propaganda, who think that you can't wear a mask often enough, to those at my end and your end of the spectrum, where we just think this is nonsense.
So how are you going to get reconciliation between those families?
It's like our civil war.
It's like the Irish Civil War.
No, it is, it is literally diabolical.
I mean, it's, it's, as he said, it's dark forces.
And I think it's directly proportionate to how much mainstream media people take in.
You know, I mean, if they didn't, if it wasn't for that, they wouldn't know anybody who had COVID.
Well, I know somebody, but he's fine.
They wouldn't, certainly wouldn't know anybody who's died from it.
You know, very few.
I still don't.
I mean, it's only actually it's only the 24 hour media cycle and the Internet.
I don't think they could have done this without that, because people just wouldn't feel.
Remember, Sage said we need people to feel sufficiently threatened.
If this happened again, you know, the 50s and 60s, when you just didn't have the constant news cycle, when it was only the six o'clock news, the nine o'clock news and the papers, it just it couldn't terrify people enough.
But the 24 hours and the social media have enabled us.
I know of lots of people who have died of Covid.
I've heard through friends and in every single case, every single case, it's always gone like this.
My dad, my relative, my friend on the estate, had COVID written on their death certificate when I know for an absolute fact they died of something else.
Those are the people I know who died of COVID.
In other words, they didn't die of COVID.
It was just put on their death certificate.
I've heard this probably of about 10 people.
I've heard that story.
So it does make you wonder about these statistics.
But again, it is sort of, I mean, I don't want to be, it is those willing architects, isn't it?
Why are the doctors signing the certificate like that?
Again, because it would take...
Their tiny amount of courage to say, I'm not putting this on a death certificate anymore, I reject this whole 28 days of COVID, that might cost them their job.
But every little, as you say, what would you say, every time you conform to the system, every brick, it all goes into the greater scheme of oppression, essentially.
You know, so all the doctors have to say is, no, we're not, we're not doing the 28 day thing.
I'm not putting COVID on the statistic until you tell me.
And why are people even, why are people complying and administering these tests to people who are fine?
Again, that's an entire architect that they've managed to structure, that they have managed to build by ordinary people going along with Testing healthy people and then them saying that feeds directly into lockdowns because then they can say oh well 41,000 people have tested positive today out of a caseload of 35,000 people probably.
out of a caseload of 35,000 people, probably.
They've tested 35,000 people, and we have 41,000 positive tests.
I mean, people believe anything.
In 2020, so many people have failed the Jew test that we always used to ask ourselves, you know, in the years after the war.
Would I have sheltered Jews?
Would I have turned away?
Or would it have been like Au revoir les enfants, where they get sheltered?
Or would I have just washed my hands of it?
And the difference is between now, and the early 1940s is that you don't even get your fingernails pulled out and your family shot for sheltering the Jews.
All you need to do to do the right thing is be okay, so it might damage your career, but the cost of doing the right thing is much smaller than it was back then.
And even then, people have failed.
They lack courage.
They lack moral courage and lack physical courage.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know.
I mean, exactly.
And all these tiny decisions, as you say, all go along with this government machine to essentially prolong this lockdown as long as possible.
Every signature on a death certificate that isn't COVID-19, that goes down as COVID-19, is basically facilitating this impression.
Every person who administers a stupid COVID test to someone who isn't, you know, who isn't symptomatic, everybody, who the hell takes them?
Oh, why?
- Why? - I know.
Who are these people that went on Christmas day?
What kind of idiot?
Well, I know some people in my family have done the stupid thing.
They actually got tested.
Why?
It's like saying, "Oh, I've got a sniffle.
I better go and see whether I've got a cold." I mean, people say, oh, that's it's not a it's not a false comparison.
You know, those those poor Jews, you know, it wasn't it's completely wrong to make a comparison.
No, because it was all it was all sold on the example of the Jews are dangerous.
They're a threat to your safety.
So now, instead of the government making it just a small group of people who are a threat to safety, we're all a threat.
We're all a threat.
So this is actually even worse.
Well, you know, in terms of it, we're all a threat.
So it is the same.
Nobody comes along and says, you know, can you can you do something unethical for the last?
They normally always set up because it's a threat, because this will avoid a much greater danger.
You know?
So it's exactly the same thing.
They're all cowards.
They should stop going along with it.
There's my husband.
I have to go!
No, you absolutely have to.
Quite right to.
So let's wish everyone a Happy New Year and let's hope it's a good one without any tears.
There's going to be a lot of tears.
Yeah, I know.
Oh, God.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
We're going to fight.
Yeah, I suppose that's true.
Revolution.
Yeah, that's true.
Happy New Year, Laura.
Yeah, hopefully they'll keep the schools open.
Yeah.
Unbelievable.
Bye.
Take it easy, James.
Bye.
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