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June 25, 2020 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Dominic Frisby
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Welcome to The Dellingpod with me, James Dellingpod.
And I really am excited about today's special guest, even though he's quite a familiar figure.
In fact, I would say, in fact, I know Dominic Frisbee has been on The Dellingpod more often than anybody apart from Dick.
How do you feel about that, Dom?
I feel very proud.
Yeah, I feel very proud, but I feel slightly bitter towards Dick.
That he's one step ahead of me.
Oh, no, you shouldn't feel that.
You shouldn't feel that.
I think you should, the only thing that should worry you should be the question, am I a bit easy?
Am I a bit kind of too available?
Is it good for my brand to be quite so, you know, shouldn't I turn him down more, that kind of thing?
Yeah, I guess.
Maybe I should play harder to get.
But I think what tends to happen is that either you call me or I call you about something else.
And then we have an interesting conversation.
And then in the course of that conversation, a light bulb goes off in your head and says, oh, I should get you on the podcast.
And because we speak to each other, you know, every so often on the phone, this is how the pattern has emerged.
So I don't feel cheap in that regard.
I feel special.
Good.
You're right to do so and actually I think it's more a sign of our mateship than anything else because whenever I'm driving, as you know, because this has happened a lot, whenever I'm driving for this special therapy I have or I have to drive an hour and a half away to be massaged for my Lyme disease and I'm wondering who I can call on my journey and you're always one of the people I call because again You're normally there.
You're normally there.
Well, I do love driving and talking on the phone is great.
Not obviously, you know, with the hands-free kit and all that.
But it's a really good way of passing a car journey.
Having a long phone conversation.
But sometimes when I get phoned up by people who are driving and I'm not driving and I can hear they really want to talk and I don't want to talk because I've got shit to do.
But you've got to catch the person when they're walking the dog or something like that and then you end up having a good conversation.
Yeah.
But the problem is that with the death of the BBC, one really cannot now listen to Radio 4 or Radio 3 or any of that shit.
If you get in the car and you start listening to the radio, you crash the car, it's like you can't take that risk.
That's how I feel.
I must say, in terms of Removing stress and annoyance from my life, cancelling Radio 4 was probably the single best decision I've ever made in my life.
It's just...
It's a bit like I feel now with the telegraph that I get every day because the wife likes a paper in the morning.
And every time I think, well, you know, it can't be as annoying and as shit as I think it is.
And then you open the page and you get some piece sorta kinda endorsing Black Lives Matter or you get something about endorsing some kind of feminazi line.
And you think, how many Telegraph readers wanted that shit with their breakfast?
They don't.
They actually want old England, not new woke England that's being destroyed.
Yeah, but I mean, the annoying thing is that I think the Telegraph's doing quite well at the moment.
Didn't they sort of hand back their furlough money and their subscribership's gone up and so on?
So I think people have gone to the Telegraph because there's nowhere else to go.
Don't you mean the Spectator?
I don't believe the Telegraph.
No, I think the Telegraph did the same.
Did they?
Yeah, about a week or two after the Spectator.
Oh, okay, fair enough.
You're more up to speed with the MSM. That means I'm more radical than you, Dom.
But The Guardian, interestingly, has taken an even bigger hit.
They've lost money to the coronavirus and to lockdown, whereas The Spectator's readership has gone up.
And I think I read now that The Spectator readership is bigger than...
Yeah, I think The Spectator might have more paying subscribers...
I can't remember what the statistic was, but somebody put down a statistic.
Then the Guardian.
Then the Guardian.
Yeah, there was some comparison in the spectators beating the Guardian, which is extraordinary.
But I don't quite know what the parameters were.
So, John, have you profited from the economic chaos that's afflicting the world right now?
Let's cut to the chase.
I like lots of Michael Brown with my friends.
Well, the...
I've been very long gold and gold stocks.
And gold stocks have had a really nice two or three months.
So I've done okay.
But, you know, I've got a very sort of boring pension with just boring old, I was going to say trust funds in it.
I mean, investment trusts, which are very safe and they tend to be sort of footsie trackers and things like that.
And that is down like and I don't manage that as closely as I ought to.
I tend to just buy and forget about it.
And the stock that I've lost hugely on is Marks and Spencers.
Like I had, and I remember my friend recommended Marks and Spencers to me and I went shopping there just before Christmas and it was terrible.
Like the range of clothes they had was terrible.
Like I remember 20, 30 years ago, Marks and Spencers owned underwear.
Like you just got your underwear at Marks and Spencers, whether you're a man or female.
Now their underwear is terrible.
And who would buy a pair of Marks& Spencer's boxer shorts?
And so, you know, that's basic stuff that Marks& Spencer's dominated.
And then the sort of luxury food market.
I still think their food's pretty good, but they're definitely losing out to Waitrose and so on.
And even Autograph, their Autograph range is really good for the sort of The guy in his maybe late 30s or 40s who wanted to dress quite well and look good, but still just wanted the convenience of Marks& Spencers and be able to buy 32 inch waist trousers, which are really 34, but Marks& Spencers call them 32 because they like to flatter their customers and stuff like that.
And they just lost all that.
They had one nice item, which was a sort of trucker jacket.
So I remember thinking, why are you recommending Marks& Spencers?
But then he started blathering on about 6 or 7% dividend yield.
So I thought, oh, fair enough.
I'll just buy it and stick it in the thing and take the dividend and ride out the volatility.
And then, of course, with lockdown, I should have sold it on the day of On the day of this lockdown thing, I wasn't as, I didn't think, I thought coronavirus was just going to be another SARS. I didn't think it was going to get anything like as bad as it was.
And some of my Bitcoin nutcase, you know, my Bitcoin prepper mates, you know, who were Bitcoin trillionaires and they, you know, they've got like houses in, you know, huge houses, hideouts in New Zealand.
Like one of my mates who's like extraordinarily rich, he's what you'd call him a Bitcoin whale.
And he's probably got You know, 10 or 20,000 bitcoins.
And he and his wife, he's like Peter Thiel.
When I say wife, his partner, his boyfriend.
You know, he's like Peter Thiel, sort of gay rich techie guy, gay rich libertarian techie guy.
And him and his boyfriend or his husband have got a year's worth of food supplies.
They saw how bad this COVID was going to be in January.
They went to New Zealand and to their place in New Zealand with a year's worth of food supply.
So that's how serious...
Well, yeah.
And so, you know, he...
And I was sort of going, oh, come on, you're being ridiculous.
But, you know, maybe to an extent he was right.
But anyway, so I didn't think it was going to be as bad as it did.
So I was a bit slow to move.
But I know a lot about gold and gold share, so I always tend to own some, but they've done very well.
But anyway, my Marks& Spencer stock is down over 50%.
Marks& Spencer's, that's basically what mining companies do, not Marks& Spencer's.
You know, so that's been a disaster.
Do you not think though, that actually...
If there's one thing people want to hear on the podcast, it's not...
I've done incredibly well with my investments, but my investments have tanked.
I mean, the schadenfreude pleasure that you are going to give to so many people, Dom, is actually worth it, I think.
That sacrifice you've made for the happiness of others.
I mean, do you have a lot of Mars and Spencer shares?
Well, you know, it was about maybe...
Like, you know, it's fine.
I'm going to survive.
Every time I come on your podcast, last time I came on, I was telling you about how I got hacked and lost all my Bitcoins.
So I'm like the financial writer who never makes any money.
I was trying to...
What's the Oscar Wilde quote?
Your friend would rather...
It's much harder to sympathise with your friend's success than it is with their failure.
I've paraphrased it.
But the idea is...
You like hearing about other people's failure.
So, yeah, let's celebrate my losses in marketing.
I've lost maybe 10 grand on it.
Something like that.
So, you know, I'll survive.
But it was maybe 5 or 10% of my...
But I haven't lost yet because I haven't sold.
Oh, paper loss.
It's a paper loss.
I'll tell you my shit disappointment.
Didn't you make a lot of money shorting Cardinal?
The cruise company.
I've probably made about $10,000 on the way down and on the way up.
That's brilliant.
But do you not remember?
You were at the party, weren't you?
At the Brexit party.
You were there, right?
You know, remember that Brexit?
Yeah.
Do you remember that party we all went to?
Yeah, I was so drunk.
The one where Nigel Farage and the boxer Chisora was there as well.
Yeah.
So I was on a table with Merrin Somerset.
Oh, no, I was on a table with Merrin Somerset.
I remember going up to her and to Liam Thingy, you know, from the financial...
Yeah, yeah.
And telling them in my kind of complete sort of annoying investment novice kind of way, I said, this coronavirus, I think it's much more serious than the markets realise.
And so what I've done is I've liquidated all my shares and turned them into gold.
And I rang you and asked your advice.
I told you about this.
And I said, I'm going to put them into gold.
You said buy ETFs, buy physical gold ETFs.
So I did buy that.
So we're not talking about a big portfolio.
I mean, we're talking about my total share play fund portfolio, which was 20 grand.
So I liquidated all that and put them into physical gold ETFs so obviously I've been fine in that particular and then I then later on I bought some Carnival when they were when they were down and stuff so yeah I'm not looking bad but but the weird thing was I was going up to Liam and Merrin and telling them this and they probably thought oh my god why is this stupid twat who knows nothing about investments telling us this boring shit I don't know maybe they didn't maybe maybe they didn't even notice
but I did I did actually tell them so but the thing I wanted to tell you what was their reaction indifference um you know like like Let's talk about something else.
They didn't go, they didn't go, oh yeah, do you think so?
Well, that's really interesting, James.
Thanks for...
No, they didn't react like that at all.
You've done a run with your gold.
You've had a good run with your gold anyway.
Yeah, it's alright.
It's alright.
I lost a bit.
When it dropped, do you remember when it should have gone up, it dropped in...
Yeah, it always does.
Initially, it always does.
When the initial panic happens, it always sells off with the market, and then it always rebounds sooner and more.
Because you get a liquidation crisis, so everyone sells everything.
Yeah, I got caught on the liquidation crisis, and that was expensive.
But yeah, I'm stood up.
But your thought, I wanted to confess to you a guilty thing that came to mind when you were telling me about Marks and Spencers.
So, at Christmas, my mummy always, always buys me stuff from Marks and Spencers.
Do you want some more pyjamas, darling?
Shall I get you some Winciette pyjamas?
Shall I get you...
No, mummy, I've got enough Winciette pyjamas.
Well, can I buy you a nice shirt?
I bought Dick a nice shirt.
So, mummy goes and buys me a nice shirt.
Or what she thinks is a nice shirt.
And it's brushed cotton.
And wife looks at it and says, that's an old man's shirt.
You're not going to wear that.
You're never going to wear that.
And she says, you've got to take it back.
And so I kept putting off and putting off and putting off, taking it back.
And by the time I did take it back, It was in the...
The sales had started, so the shirt had plummeted in value from whatever it was, 35 quid to kind of about 5p.
So I had a work with the guy behind the counter, and the guy, he was very helpful.
He said, don't worry, I'm sure we can exchange it, you know, just like, we'll sort you out.
So I then went round the clothing section and had exactly your experience.
There was nothing.
There was nothing in the shop that I wanted to exchange it for.
Now that...
That really shouldn't be the case with a clothing shot.
I mean, there should have been something there that I could...
The point about Marks and Spencer's is you buy really nice stuff in there, and it appeals to middle-aged people.
And that's one of the signs of...
There was a guy who used to do an act.
Part of his act was about growing middle-aged.
And one of his jokes was you buy something from Marks and Spencers and you go, oh, this is nice.
And it's supposed to have that effect on on middle aged people who thought they were cool.
You buy something.
Oh, this is nice.
And it is nice.
But it isn't at the moment.
They've lost it.
Yeah, they have.
It's it's and that should have been your investment investment triggering moment, shouldn't it?
Well, I should.
That's the sign.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So.
Have you moved on to a thingy yet?
Parley?
Yeah, I opened an account.
I don't know.
Parley.
I guess Parley.
But I opened an account yesterday and I did one post which was to my I am a white man and I'm sorry song.
And I'm following Rand Paul and Zero Hedge.
Yes.
And that's who it suggested.
And and that's I couldn't find any of the sort of ring.
Everyone said they were leaving it, but I couldn't find any of them.
I think it's quite hard.
It's like it's like going to a new school and everyone's a bit uncertain.
You know, who do you who do you pal up with?
Who do you you know?
Where's the cool gang?
Yeah, where's the where's the science block?
Where's where's your house?
You just don't know.
I think you have to accept that there's going to be a A sort of teething phase where you come to grips, well, especially if you're like me, and you know, fuck all about technology.
So you're coming to grips with this new system.
I mean, some people are complaining that it's a complete dog, that its functionality or some technical term is not very good, and I don't know.
I don't know.
The problem with Twitter is it's really good.
Yeah, but that's the thing.
So addictive?
Yeah, the left has got all the trickery, hasn't it?
I suppose it's the devil has all the best tunes.
It's a bit like...
Yeah, I mean, I remember talking to you, actually, 2015, 2016, and you were moaning about the way everything was going.
And I was saying, no, it's all going to be okay.
Unlike me.
Yeah, it doesn't sound like you at all.
And I was in a very positive frame of mind at the time, saying, no, it's going to be okay.
Because of Bitcoin.
And I was saying, you know, we're going to have decentralized YouTube and we're going to have decentralized Twitter and decentralized Facebook.
And if they want to come and censor it, there's nothing they can do.
And they've sort of half got it right, but they just haven't made it work yet.
And the problem is you need a guy at the top who tells everyone what to do and paying huge salaries to people like whoever the coders are and so on to make the stuff as good as it is.
And so, you know, it hasn't...
Decentralized social media hasn't happened in a way that...
That's not to say it can't happen, but we, you know, if we're going to win this culture war, we need decentralized social media.
And we're not there yet.
Right.
I mean, the technology might exist.
Well, the whole point about Bitcoin is there's no central body.
There's not a central bank, a central Bitcoin bank that you can close down.
So, All the previous attempts at alternative money have closed down because there was a central point of failure.
So there was one called DigiCash that was run by these two guys whose names I've forgotten.
Sorry, DigiGold.
And, you know, the Feds got them and arrested them and closed it down.
And they were doing it because loads of money launderers were money laundering through DigiGold.
And there was another one called DigiCash run by a guy called David Chown.
And they all closed down because it's easy...
To find the guy who runs it and the central office and close it down.
You can't close down Bitcoin because there's no central office.
There's no single guy in charge.
It's what's called a distributed network.
It's run by all the computers around the world that are competing to mine it.
So it's on three, four, five thousand Different computers around the world.
You just can't shut it down.
You can make it illegal, but you can't shut it down.
And that's what's so wonderful about it.
And the same principle was, it was argued, you know, blockchain technology, distributed ledger technology, whatever you want to call it.
Would happen in social media so there wouldn't be a central like I can remember going to listen to an interview with Michael Gove about three years ago and he was going what we have to do is we have to treat Facebook as a publisher and then once we have it's established that Facebook is a publisher then we can start regulating Facebook and I remember putting you know one I didn't actually but just thinking how you don't know what's coming with with decentralized social media you won't be able to Facebook,
meanwhile, is desperate to ingratiate itself with whoever the political leaders are.
This always happens.
There's a breakthrough technology.
Then they take the side of the politics.
That's one of the reasons they've hired Nick Clegg to lobby governments on their behalf.
What greater lobbyer is there than Nick Clegg?
He's just Who lives and breathes and oozes crony capitalism?
There's no greater personification of crony capitalism than Nick Clegg, except possibly Mark Zuckerberg.
Anyway, so they get the governments on side and they promise to regulate all the things.
The issue with Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson and all these people is not the free speech issue or the censorship issue.
It's that they are politically dangerous.
They are spreading stuff that political people on the center of politics are scared of.
And so if the governments can control Facebook and Twitter, which in due course will then control Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins, then they've got control.
And it's just so vital.
One of the reasons that we've got this kind of revolution going on is that they lost control of the media.
And these Political opponents were air-free speech.
I can remember when we first became mates about four or five years ago, I was terrified of, like, retweeting anything by James Dellingpole in case, you know, it stopped me getting work or anything like that.
You know, you were such a toxic brand, James.
I have no idea.
I got over myself fairly quickly, but you were this nutcase, climate change denier, and all these kind of things.
And it's only because you've been able to express yourself on your podcast and all the rest of it that you've kind of got, and you've built up a following, that people realise that actually you're not the devil.
You're a fairly sensible, intelligent bloke that wants well for the world.
And so there's this...
Do you see what I mean?
And so it's really important if This movement is to continue that it can't be silenced.
And we need the technology to do that.
And the answer is this is one of the answers is decentralized, distributed social media.
And at the moment, the networks aren't there.
The technology might be there, but there's a you know, you need the network effect as well.
You know, Betamax was better than VHS, but VHS won because it had the network effect.
And, you know, we had a network effect, but that network effect got Donald Trump, you know, used Facebook better than the opposition.
But they're trying to stop that happening this time around.
And so we've got to keep that network effect going.
And, well, is that going to happen?
I mean, look, bearing in mind you're...
Your prediction was rubbish in 2016, you said.
It might have been, it might not have been rubbish, it might have been early.
Nostra crappers.
I just, listen, Nostra crappers, I agree with you, it would be great if this stuff was going to happen.
I just worry.
What I think is going to happen is that we're just going to become more and more Ghettoised.
I mean, look at me.
Look at where I'm going.
I'm going to...
At the moment, I'm on Patreon, yeah?
And because I've had so many whiny people on our side saying, oh, I could never give money to Patreon.
I'm certainly not going to sponsor you.
And I'm thinking, well, part of me thinks, like, fuck off.
I mean, do you have an Apple computer?
They're really evil.
Do you use Google?
They're really evil.
Do you use...
Like, almost everything is evil now.
Almost everything you use, even if you try and live off the grid, you're pretty much in thrall, aren't you, to Silicon Valley and the woke Nazis of Silicon Valley somewhere on the line.
Anyway, that's my little grumble over.
So I'm on Patreon.
I'm going to revive my Subscribestar account.
And what I'll probably end up doing is having my own dedicated account where you can pay the money to me direct so that you cut out the middleman so I'm not giving money to Patreon.
And it's going to be like that.
There's going to be lots of the equivalent of the James Dellingpole site all around the world, those of us who've managed to acquire a fan base, because there's nowhere else we can go.
The mainstream Reaper doesn't use me.
This is a Nostradamus prediction Like, podcasting has been behind everything else.
The mainstream have been slower to realise how effective podcasting is.
You know, advertisers never realised, took them ages to realise how many people were listening to podcasts.
You know, persuading people to start...
I mean, I had this Virgin podcast.
In fact, it was having you on the Virgin podcast that got me sacked from the Virgin podcast.
Oh, mate.
Oh, mate.
Because they had these two...
Oh, schadenfreude, schadenfreude.
Yeah, they had these two...
Climate change bods on.
And, you know, they were so boring.
And they actually, they were monks.
And I'm going to stand up.
One of them actually stood like that in his hands, like a fucking monk.
And, you know, you can see the halo.
They're always doing that.
You know what I mean?
Like when they're doing their beads or whatever.
And you could see the halos above their head.
And I was just like, oh, this is terrible.
And it was around about the time when you had the story of you smoking weed with David Cameron come out.
So I said, I'll get Deadpool on the podcast.
He's good fun.
I think it was coming on that podcast that encouraged you to start your own podcast, apart from anything else.
And anyway, and you came on and we talked for like 20 minutes about climate change and you gave all the various arguments to debunk, you know, the idea that climate change is manmade.
And then we went on to talk about smoking weed with David Cameron.
And I thought, well, I thought in terms of the politics of Virgin, we can have, I can justify having you on Because, you know, Branson's a big climate changer, despite the fact that he owns an airline.
No hypocrisy there.
Anyway, but I thought it would balance out the fact because we're talking about legalization of drugs, which is he's a big champion of.
And anyway, some bloke called Graham Redfern, Australian climate change.
He's the worst.
He's horrible.
And he just did this whole piece in The Guardian.
Why is Richard Branson giving a platform to a climate change denier?
That's how they roll.
Yeah, and there was a whole hoo-ha at Virgin and I ended up losing the gig.
And that was a classic case of witch hunt.
You know, it's like excommunication was what that was.
No platform.
Because I'm just writing this article about all these medieval practices that...
You know, we might look back up with a certain amount of perplexity and abhorrence, but in fact, they're still alive and well today.
They just go under a different name.
And the big one in medieval times was excommunication.
It was a really powerful political weapon.
You know, Galileo was excommunicated for heresy and cardinals refused to look through his telescope and he was only exonerated.
Galileo was only exonerated in 1992.
I mean, it's just extraordinary.
He was a bad boy.
But anyway, so all this excommunication and, you know, and the selling of indulgences is another big one.
And, you know, it was the reaction to the selling of indulgences that brought us Protestantism and Martin Luther.
And there was a huge peasants' revolt in Central Europe.
And I think, you know, we had our own peasants' revolt.
Which we talked about last time I was on the programme here in England.
And what's going on is, you know, the silent majority is revolting.
We're going through our own modern day peasants' revolt.
And the worrying thing is, is that even though in both peasants' revolt, the one in Europe and the one in Britain, the peasants were right and the change they fought for sort of came eventually.
They were smeared, they were excommunicated, but most importantly of all, they lost.
And I'm really concerned, you know, all the things that we're going to lose this one.
That's my concern.
But there's so many other medieval practices that are going on today.
Selling of indulgences is like the great charity scandal.
You know, like more than 50% of money donated to charity just stays in the pockets of the charities, doesn't actually make it to the cause.
You know, iconoclasm.
I mean, how can iconoclasm be back?
And, you know, that's the tearing down of statues and so on.
There's just one after the other, medieval serfdom.
And so, yeah, we've gone medieval, James.
Yeah, they've gone medieval on our ass.
Definitely.
But are we going to win?
I think we're going to lose.
Unless we find another liberating technology, you know, another printing press, decentralised printing press, we're going to lose.
I don't really see how we're going to win.
Bearing in mind there's always some twat like William Woolworth there to come forth with his sword and kill...
What Tyler?
What Tyler, yeah, yeah, exactly.
It's going to be like the establishment will always look after itself and they've just...
You know who told me what Tyler is?
What Tyler had this habit of snatching...
He'd get pissed and he'd go too far And he had this habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, right up to the point where he tried to get all matey with the king and was drunk.
And that was the point when, you know, the mayor, he got, he landed, he fell on his, he self-destructed basically because he went too far.
So basically, Tommy, you know who today is Tommy Robertson?
Because he just goes too far.
He can't help himself, can he?
He can't help sort of...
Even Farage sometimes.
Even Farage, he just...
Particularly earlier on, you were like, oh, don't say that.
You were like, you were so right.
You were right.
You were right.
But then he just says that one thing too far and sort of loses some of the people he would otherwise have gained.
But...
I think he's gone too far the other way now, though.
I don't think he speaks truth to power enough.
He's very comfortable on immigration, which is his kind of area.
He's very comfortable on, you know, sort of Islam behaving badly.
So he was very good on the killings we've just had in Reading and so on.
He points out, you know, why have we got this jailbird, this jailbird asylum?
You know, what's he doing wandering around a park in Reading?
That's fine.
He was a bedwetter on COVID-19, and I'm sorry, but I judge people by their all-round performance, not just being good in one particular area.
I want...
I mean, I'm demanding...
This is why we have government departments, James.
I like strength in depth.
Okay.
Strength in depth for my team.
But look, I fear...
By the way, you know who's doing...
Andrew Lawrence did a very good sketch this morning, being the police officer reporting...
About on the murder in Reading yesterday.
And it's a really good sketch.
I thoroughly recommend you watch that one.
No, somebody tweeted or possibly parlayed, satire is alive.
Because it is.
Hey, not on mainstream media it isn't.
Do you know what's coming next?
Like, you know this thing of you give them, like, whatever you give them, Whatever you give the sort of voracious left, it's never enough.
And they always want more.
Dengeld.
Yeah, it is a Dengeld.
That's exactly what it is.
They always want more.
And the next one is reparations.
And, you know, it's the Oxford University and The Guardian and whoever else, it's always fine to apologise.
It's fine to apologize for what happened before.
And they think that's exonerated them.
It hasn't.
The next one coming is reparations.
And let's see how contrite you really are then.
But I bet you, you'll have some woke CEO who will pay the reparations out of the company money.
And it'll be the shareholders, today's shareholders, who lose.
And everyone will go, well, it's shareholders.
Who cares about them?
But if reparations are coming, short the Guardian, short all the companies that are going to end up paying reparations.
Can you even short The Guardian, isn't it?
No, it's not listed.
It's not listed.
No, exactly.
Otherwise, I'd be loving to short The Guardian.
I'll tell you who's going to be...
I put money on who's going to sell out first, and that is that utter, utter wanker.
Paul Polman, the guy in charge of Unilever.
Oh, okay.
I don't know.
Runs Unilever.
Absolute cuck of a surrender monkey.
Just the worst kind of woke CEO. What did Unilever have on, what did they have to do with the slave trade?
I don't know, but he'll invent it just so he can virtue signal by paying out to various schools.
Unilever and Ben Jarrett.
My other half's reading this book, it's Why I Don't Talk to White People Anymore.
Sounds fun.
Well, apparently they're trying to get it onto the...
It's like the best-selling book on Amazon and they're trying to get it on the curriculum.
And from there, there's a list of a hundred things...
What's it called?
Oh, I can't go.
I can't be...
It's a hundred things white people shouldn't do or something like that it's called.
But one of the areas that apparently white people are...
Unconsciously persecuting black people by...
Unconscious bias?
No, it's white flesh coloured plasters.
Why are plasters white flesh coloured and not black flesh coloured?
Do you know what I mean?
You know how plasters tend to be that sort of beige?
Do you know why?
Because we don't care about black people getting hurt.
We don't care about the injuries.
We just think they're slaves, Dom.
Do you get black plasters now?
Or dark brown plasters?
Do they exist in different shades according to your ethnicity?
And I can see why You know, if you're a black guy and you can't, you can only buy white flesh-coloured plasters.
I can see why it would piss you off.
I genuinely can, particularly as a kid.
But this is a big, it's a big issue for some people.
I don't think my skin is that.
My skin is not plaster coloured.
It's that sort of putty, pasty colour that, you know, I don't have skin that colour.
But I don't know, I think it's just like, it's grievance-seeking, isn't it?
It's trying to make something out of nothing.
I mean, I imagine that when...
Hang on, let's just discuss.
There is a lot of making something out of nothing going on, for sure, and grievance-seeking.
But I'm just thinking about the plaster issue, and I can see why...
It would piss black people off.
Can you not see why it would, particularly kids?
No.
No, I wouldn't know.
I think it's absolutely bullshit.
But anyway, if it did, then some entrepreneur should have come along and made, you know, black flesh-coloured plasters.
There was an opportunity there.
Now, the solution shouldn't be to harangue whoever makes whatever Elaster plaster, whoever it is, for the wrong things.
The solution is find a solution in the marketplace and invent the plaster, the woke plaster, and sell that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Look, there's...
I was reading a very interesting book review in The Spectator by Lynn Barber about this book that's just come out about these ultra-rich nightclubs.
Do you know about these?
No.
Where you...
where they basically recruit these supermodel-type women to come and just serve the drinks and If your table spends like £100,000 on Cristal or whatever, the DJ stops his set and shines the spotlight on you and said, Dominic Frisbee and James Dunningpole's table has just spent £100,000 on whatever I said.
We're going to have to hope Mark Spencer goes up a lot.
Yeah, but anyway.
So, it will.
It'll happen, mate.
Don't worry.
Be patient.
You hold.
Hodl.
Hodl.
That's what they say.
It's going to be the new Bitcoin.
Word to the wise.
It's going to be this global movement.
I called coronavirus, you know, so I saw it coming.
Oh, in fact, just a brief digression.
I generally trust Jim Mellon's You know, instincts for the markets and stuff.
I mean, he's been solid on gold and stuff.
But the bad tip I got from him, and not just him, but various others, and this was about a few years ago, and it's been shit throughout.
They were all saying, buy Lloyds Bank.
Lloyds Bank has been absolutely rubbish.
And even when I bought my shares in Lloyds Bank, I thought, what's the rationale here?
I don't think that...
I mean, I was admittedly in disintermediation mode.
I was admittedly thinking that blockchain was going to transform things and that was going to be, you know, the banking sector was going to be obliterated.
But even allowing for that bias, I just couldn't...
I couldn't see any rationale for Lloyds.
And I would have been proved right.
Lloyds has done absolutely sod all.
I mean, I hate shares that do nothing.
It's just so boring, isn't it?
Yeah, they are boring.
I mean, part of it is the exhilaration of them going up and the exasperation of them going down.
I mean, yeah, I don't own any banks.
I bought Standard Chartered and then I sold it.
But they have cleared themselves up.
They have cleared up their balance sheets and they're much less risk averse.
But I mean, the industry has been so disruptive.
I mean, I suppose you could make the case for buying them.
I'd have to do a bit of homework before I can comment.
Finish telling us about this.
So, these clubs have these guys...
Who talent spot really hot girls to come into this club and just be present until 3am.
They get free food, free whatever, free drink.
They're just there so that the gazillionaires like you and me can just have a really good time.
Not sex, just eye candy to look at.
Who are the people who recruit these girls?
Who do you think has the most success?
And obviously the recruiters get paid a decent whack.
Do you think they're white or do you think they're black?
Well, I'm going to guess that they're black.
I don't know.
Exactly, exactly.
So you've got, for some reason...
Why is that, that they're black?
They swing, I suppose, blacks are better at hustling, better at they have an image thing that's going on, you know, that kind of, you know...
Well, apparently, one of the reasons given was, this is quite amusing, they said that the girls are drawn to black people because they think they're more likely to be able to score drugs for them.
And I suppose that's the thing.
There are ups and downs.
There are positives and negatives to what you might call black culture.
You know, there's the hip-hop thing and there's the...
The bling and the crystal.
We all kind of want on some level to be black, don't we?
I mean, whitey.
That's part of the thing behind Black Lives Matter, I think.
All these kind of upper middle class uni kids, they kind of feel shit about being white.
They'd really like to be black.
And so what could be better than parading their virtue on the streets by showing...
I suppose what I'm saying is that if there is racism in contemporary culture, it's almost the other way around.
It is a kind of inbuilt anti-whiteness.
Not me particularly, but generally white people are encouraged to feel guilty about themselves.
And there is a mystique and cachet in being black.
You can make it work for you really well.
You can.
You certainly can.
There's a long tradition of young white men, particularly middle class and upper class, loving racism.
Black music and therefore things black so you know blues whether it's blues jazz and then funk and soul in the 70s and 80s and then you know hip-hop from sort of mid early 90s onwards I guess um you know and you know the biggest buyers of hip-hop and probably grime here in the UK are white people that is the market and you know so And I don't think it's white
people buying it because they're buying it because they think it's cool.
And in many cases, it is cool.
But I don't think they're buying it to be cool.
They're buying it because it is cool.
And, you know, black music is great.
But the, or some of it.
Some of it.
Not Stevie Wonder.
I bloody hate Stevie Wonder.
He's just so shit.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday.
No, go away.
Yeah.
You know, the real model of all those guys, when people go, who was the greatest?
And some people say Stevie Wonder and some Marvin Gaye and some Michael Jackson.
For me, it's Bill Withers.
And, you know, he wrote four or five brilliant, positive songs.
And then he just...
Don't say that.
Don't say positive.
I hate that bloody word.
I like Bill Withers.
I can praise him without using that word positive.
What are you playing at?
Are you about to come and virtue signal?
No, I'm not virtue signaling.
Writing positive songs is hard.
He didn't moan.
He didn't moan.
You know, there was none of, you know...
They weren't political.
It was, you know, Grandma's Hands, Lovely Day, just the two of us.
And, you know, when I wake up in the morning light and the sunlight hits, they were just made-you-happy-to-be-alive songs.
He sung them beautifully, but he's never listed.
And then the thing that Bill Withers did, he stopped before he got shit.
Do you know what I mean?
I do agree with you, actually.
Despite having bitten your head off about that word you use, I do kind of agree with you.
Because what Bill Withers does, it's the kind of music when you've got a new girlfriend and you've woken up in bed with her on Sunday morning and it's a lovely day outside and you go and sit in a cafe because it's Sunday and your life's before you and you've probably got sex in the afternoon.
It's great.
You feel good.
And he captures that right.
It's great.
But I do like dark music as well.
I'll tell you what I don't like.
I didn't like kind of consciousness raising happy hip-hop.
I didn't like kind of De La Soul or anything like that.
I never really got it.
I kind of like, I like sort of badass rap music with lots of, you know, bitches and hoes and gats and that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Dr Dre, I like.
I just think hip-hop should have stopped with Grandmaster and Melly Mel because they were just so good.
You know, the message is brilliant.
You're too London for me.
You're too London for me.
And you went to St.
Paul's, for I'd say.
That's the problem about you London kids.
You kind of think the world stops about the time you were in London when you were at school being educated.
Probably, that's probably what it is.
It's why I hate, I hate wets, as we call old Westminster people.
And I hate, what do you call, not poor liners, poor linos?
Poor lines, poor lines.
In the Old Boys Football League, the opposing teams at the end, they'd go three cheers for old Paulines, and they thought that was really funny to call us Paulines.
Let me just finish my rant about why I hate...
I mean, obviously I hate Wickham City more, but the reason I hate Westminster kids and St Paul's kids.
I mean, obviously some of them are quite nice.
I quite like you, despite it's kind of love across the divide, isn't it?
You know, you're a Montague, I'm a Capulet, but I can nevertheless accept that...
Anyway, the reason I hate Paulines and Westminster people is that it's a bit like people who've had a really good war.
You were in World War II, you saw action, and you realise that your life's never going to be the same again.
And in the same way, I remember hearing a Westminster person talking about what it's like in Westminster and your school is right next to Westminster Abbey and there are all these tourists gawping at you and you've got this tremendous intellectual arrogance and superiority.
I mean, Giles Corrin is a classic victim of this particular syndrome.
He thinks he's the bollocks and it's all down to the fact that he went to Westminster and But when they came up to Oxford or wherever, they were always so full of themselves.
They knew all the hip-hop moves.
They knew all the music.
They knew all the clubs.
They'd done everything that they could do in life already.
And so by the time they came to university, they were bored.
It was over.
They were too cool for school.
Right.
End of my rant.
Yeah, I think there might be something to that.
I know when I got to university, I wasn't clever enough to go to Oxford.
I only got into Manchester.
But we were definitely ahead of everyone else.
And it was just by virtue of the fact that we'd been in the middle of London through our teenage years.
There was this nightclub.
We used to go to this nightclub called Roxanne's just off the Gloucester Road.
And, you know, Guy Ritchie used to go there, Matthew Vaughan used to go there, Tamara Beckwith, Amanda Decadene, all these, you know, it guys, Minnie Driver, all that crowd.
It was all part of our kind of little set.
And we used to go and hang out in the, there was an arcade in Kensington Market.
We used to hang out in the arcade and, you know, score weed, go up to All Saints Road and score weed.
And, you know, we just thought we were so fucking hard.
And we probably, we probably wouldn't.
You look what some of those guys have gone on to Dunn.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like Shane McGowan, Mika, Gideon Osborne.
They've all done very well.
But, God, it's quite niche, isn't it, this part of our conversation?
I wonder how many people care about public schools.
Yeah, but that's part of the charm.
Can you edit it out?
No!
I never edit stuff out.
I mean, if you said something libelous, I don't know what.
Even then, I probably wouldn't edit it out because I'd have the chardon for watching you get scared.
Do you look at the demographics of your listener?
Is it mostly blokes?
Is it mostly women?
Is it mostly people of a certain age?
Is it in cities, in the countryside?
Do you know any of that stuff?
I do know one thing they all have in common.
They're incredibly discerning.
They've got really, really, really good taste.
More than that, I cannot say.
I get email, you've got surprising, like there's quite a few voiceovers, you know, which is an industry I work in a lot.
It's quite an entrepreneurial side of acting.
A lot of people who can't be bothered to go around being a victim actor start doing voiceovers, you know, because you have slightly more control of your own destiny, you get better treated and so on, and it's, you know, it's well-paid.
Or he used to be.
The arse has fallen out of the industry now.
So you get a certain type of actor that goes on to do voiceovers.
And you have quite a few guys who do a lot of voiceovers, have listened to my interviews with you.
So you've got quite a big following in the voiceover industry.
And a lot of comedians are slowly...
A lot of comics previously...
You know, very lefty types are slowly being, is it red-pilled or blue-pilled?
Which is the one?
Yeah, red.
It's red-pilled.
They're slowly being red-pilled and, you know, listening to your stuff.
And you just see more and more, you know, gradually coming out.
So it's definitely, your podcast is working.
You're building up your following.
Well, long may it continue.
I'll tell you the problem about that.
And somebody, sympathetic people have pointed this out to me.
That, okay, so you can...
Establish your Patreon and you can build it up, up to a point.
But how do you advertise your wares when increasingly I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some evil algorithms on YouTube and elsewhere, which kind of damped down the traffic.
This is what I meant to say.
Sorry, James.
It's been such a disjointed conversation.
Podcasting, people were slow to come to podcasting.
And so, equally, the regulation and the censorship of podcasting is behind Where it is on Twitter and YouTube and elsewhere.
And it's also partly to do with the fact that analyzing a podcast conversation as opposed to the written word, it's much harder to do with algobots and things like that because, you know, the technology, because people have to listen to the whole podcast for a start.
Rather than just look for keywords in an article or something.
But it's slightly more cumbersome to regulate.
So you will find there is still more free speech in podcasting than there is in other forms of social media.
But be sure, rest assured, the clamp down on the regulation, the censorship of podcasting will follow.
That's probably a few years away.
So watch it.
There'll be some bot that can go through all your old interviews and find some horrendous thing that you said, you know, three years ago, and it will be held against you.
And because this podcast is your podcast and you pretty much say whatever you like without having to worry about what your employer thinks, you know, I just want you to know that hella wakes.
The good times are about 20.
These are the good times.
Where can we flee to?
Because I think, I worry that this country is over.
I mean, look, do you not agree with me that, I'm sure you do, that Boris Johnson has really shit the bed in a major way and that there's nobody in his cabinet which is up.
I mean, who is there?
Who is there?
Okay, maybe Rishi Sunak.
I don't know.
But this government has been so bad on every level.
It's been pathetic.
Well, I think that it was said that there are only two people in the Conservative Party that can make anything happen, that have the competence, the whatever, to make stuff happen.
And those two people are your mate Michael Gove and Steve Baker.
Now, I don't know why, but because there's something that happened in the Leave.
Remember how Steve Baker did so many clever little things that went unnoticed in that Leave campaign?
Yes!
Perder being a huge blow, you know, for Leavers.
But for some reason, Gove and Baker, I don't know what it is, if they fell out, maybe you can ask Michael Gove, they don't like each other.
And you were like, when Boris, and I gather, because a mutual friend of ours, hang on a minute, my phone's going, a mutual friend of ours filmed Boris's interviews during the election campaign, and Boris loves Steve, and we call Steve Baker Aragorn.
He is Aragorn.
You know, he's got the sword of Elendir or whatever it is, and he's the one guy that's going to save us.
But basically at some point, and Cummings doesn't like Baker either.
And remember, Baker came out a couple of weeks ago saying Cummings should resign on the whole going up north thing.
He did!
He was quite viscerous about it.
And I think he was right, actually, because not because Cummings should resign because of whether what he did was illegal or not, but because he's costing the Conservatives so much in terms of political capital.
And, you know, they were so popular and supported when they were elected.
It's just being eroded all the time.
And it's they're just like a it's not just one headless chicken.
It's a whole herd of chickens.
Yeah, they don't go in herds, whatever they go in.
Yeah.
Anyway, and so, yeah, he's been a massive disappointment, Boris, but I kind of say I saw it coming because I think he's just one of these guys that says whatever people want to hear.
And maybe he's lost it.
So, but like, and Baker got offered a real like stupid, you know, like Brexit vice secretary or something when the whole Brexit negotiations are going to be handled.
So he turned it down.
And, but, you know, maybe he's the one guy.
I gather he's well-liked by MPs.
He's popular.
They like him because he's honest, he's trustworthy, he says what he's going to do.
But Govan Cummings and Baker, there's a gap there.
But yeah, I agree.
But we need Baker and a Chancellor or something.
But I mean, I just don't like him.
I don't like what's going on at all.
They just have got no balls.
Thatcher used to talk about first principles, or Reagan, one of them talked about first principles, so that when you're not sure what decision to make, you've got to have a philosophy that you fall back on, and that philosophy will be your guide.
This is why religion in previous ages was such a useful thing to have, because you had your faith and your Your first principles and that could be your guide and it would help you make decisions when you weren't sure what to do and you know philosophy serves the same purpose and this government and May's government before it and probably the entire civil service maybe not the entire civil service because that has its own philosophy which is itself but the the politicians who are supposed to tell them what to do Are bereft of philosophy.
The problem is, is they're scared of uttering their philosophy because they're scared of the left.
They're scared of the media.
They're scared of Twitter mobs.
And so they pander.
But until we have someone who has a clear philosophy and doesn't pander, we are doomed.
In that case, because I don't think Aragorn's going to come forward, And where is Legolas?
And where is Gimli the Dwarf, for God's sake?
We need Gimli as well.
Not to mention Hobbits.
Gimli is...
We need them all.
What's his name?
What's his name?
The Brexit guy?
The really short guy who made all the powerful speeches about Churchill during Brexit.
The Tory MP. Mark...
Oh, Reckless.
No, not Reckless.
No, not Mark Reckless.
No, Mark, with a French sounding name.
Yeah.
Mark.
Anyway, every single person listening to this program knows the name that neither of us can recall.
I know.
Do you know what's going to happen?
What I find is the day of the release, I get all these kind of things on Twitter or on Parlay now saying, you know, Mark.
Blah, blah, blah.
Isn't it a marvelous thing, Alzheimer's?
So, anyway, Marc-Francois.
Marc-Francois.
I'm going to save them the effort.
Marc-Francois.
He's Gimli.
Although, of course, he's not as sound as the real Gimli of the Dwarf, John Rhys.
John Rhys-Davis, who's really sound.
Is he really sound?
Really sound.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you can imagine what happened after what happened to his family in the mines of Moria.
He's not going to take any shit from...
He was also the voice of the Ent.
Was he?
Yeah.
So he's double sound because the Ent is a sound character.
Yeah, no, we like the Ents.
Okay.
Treebeard.
Treebeard.
By the way, by the way, you know how like sound, the word sound is like the right wing Or the libertarian equivalent of woke.
Like, you know, the word woke was used if somebody was woke or somebody was right on or somebody was politically correct.
And then those terms became laughing stock kind of names.
You know, woke's become a hipster, it's a sort of mockery name.
But the libertarian equivalent is sound.
Or the classical liberal, you know, that person is sound.
And I was saying to my friend, At what point does the sort of authoritarian left start taking the piss out of the libertarians for being sound?
And he said that point will never come because they don't know that we use that word.
Which I found was quite interesting.
That's interesting.
I went shooting with Tom Parker Bowles, obviously before the lockdown.
Well, obviously it was in season for one thing.
And I was very interested to hear him using the word sound in the sense of people who voted for Remain.
So in his circle, I know, I know, it was weird.
It was really weird.
And I love, Tom is great, by the way.
I mean, he's really, he's like totally like one of us, apart from the fact that he was Remainer scum.
And because I don't think he's ever met anyone who voted for leave.
Anyway, that's just an interesting tidbit.
It's your way of saying it's a code word, Sam.
You can kind of go, is he sound?
And it's like, yeah, OK, he's all right.
Is he one of us, as Margaret used to say?
Yeah.
So, mate, where are we going to fly to?
I mean, I was thinking maybe...
I was thinking Switzerland.
Has Switzerland got any associations with the slave trade?
I suspect not.
So while the rest of the world is bankrupting itself, having sort of scholarships for...
Stormzy-type scholarships for ghetto kids, I can't imagine that Switzerland has anything to...
It's just going to get richer, isn't it?
Switzerland always wins.
Okay, so Switzerland...
Yeah, but like...
I don't know what it is about Switzerland.
Like, apart from the fact that every time I go there, every time I buy even like a pizza in Geneva Airport, I may as well be buying, you know, it's like buying caviar in Fortnum and Mason.
It's so expensive.
Your eyes bleed every time.
We did this.
This is such a stupid public schoolboy trick to do.
But we were in this, we were doing this 48-hour skiing challenge.
A couple of years ago, and there were four of us.
And we decided that we'd take it in turns.
One of us would buy lunch, one of us would buy dinner, one of us would buy lunch, one of us would buy dinner.
And that way would even out.
And this one friend of ours is notoriously rich and notoriously stingy.
And because of the route of the ski pass, lunch on the second day, we went across the border from France into Switzerland.
And so we were paying Switzerland prices for lunch.
And we all engineered it so that he ended up having to buy that lunch, the lunch in Switzerland.
Fantastic!
And was it significant?
It cost like three or four times as much.
Fantastic.
But yeah, anyway, coming back to Switzerland, it's so expensive.
And there's something like, what is the identity of the Swiss?
Who are the Swiss?
Are they German?
Are they French?
Are they Italian?
They've got their own Swiss language.
You know, it's a weird kind of identity-less zone.
You know, you think of most regions in Europe, maybe not so much now because the whole thing's been diluted and movement of people and everything else.
There's sort of individual characteristics of people from Particular areas is gone, but you do still get, you know, somebody from the Basque Country or a Catalan or somebody from Cannes or somebody from Paris.
And certainly in the UK, you know, a Mancunia is different to a Londoner is different to a West Country.
You know, there's still some kind of regional characterisation.
But what is the Swiss?
Who is Switzerland?
What are Swiss?
Do they have an identity?
I'd be interested to know.
I'm asking that question with no authority.
Here's the problem.
I think that one has a choice between interesting and left-wing or boring and right-wing.
Take America as your example.
I mean, I think it's changed now that every city in America has been transformed by the left into a literal shithole, you know, with all these kind of vagrants just pooing everywhere like they do in San Francisco and stuff.
And Minneapolis.
Well, I don't know whether Minneapolis was going to be worth living in or not, but ever, ever.
But when you and I were in our, say, 20s and 30s, I looked across America and I thought, where would I want to live?
And the places you want to live tended to be left-wing places like New Orleans, Athens, Georgia, just because REM come from there.
Austin, Texas.
You know, even in conservative states, the groovy places to hang out tend to be quite liberal.
In those days, Seattle was probably, you know, Oregon was probably quite, I mean, no way you'd want to live in Oregon now.
It's just kind of completely lost to civilization.
But what I'm saying is that there is almost a negative correlation between interestingness and kind of And so what you'd use, you'd use Switzerland as your redoubt.
It would be like your Crack des Chevaliers, that it would be your redoubt in hostile territory.
Well, no, no, it's not a good analogy because actually you wouldn't consider Switzerland hostile territory.
Switzerland would be your redoubt and you could sally forth into other parts of the world using its excellent airports.
I mean, Zurich airport, really nice.
Do you see what I mean?
The London equivalent to Switzerland is Fulham.
People used to move to Fulham because they couldn't afford Chelsea.
Once upon a time, Fulham was quite a white, working-class area, maybe in the 70s, and quite rough.
And then people started moving there because they were basically moving down the King's Road.
And then, you know, lots and lots of public school boys who either worked in the city, you know, it's called the dormitory of the city, and all they became, you know, there's lots of estate agents live in Fulham.
And it's become, you know, it's quite a boring part of London.
And so, you know...
Oh, it's worse than boring.
I would never ever live in Fulham.
That would be far worse than Switzerland.
I used to live in Fulham.
It was the first place I lived when I moved to London.
And you were right.
You are right that even then there were working class enclaves rubbing up against the kind of the Hooray Henrys in their Golf GTIs and stuff.
But Fulham is so boring.
It's just like, it's negative, isn't it?
Yeah, and it's so kind of sanitized.
And I think part of this is this thing of, you know, I don't see the world between left and right because a lot of artists and particularly young people, they tend to be left-wing.
And they vote, you know, Labour and you get more right wing as you get older.
But if you do that political compass thing and you've got to get a lot of left wingers to do the political compass, a lot of them then end up in the bottom left corner of the political compass, which is actually the libertarian left.
It's not the authoritarian left.
And so And they can't grasp their head around the fact that if we do not have an NHS, there is no healthcare for people.
That's what they think.
If we don't have state education, people aren't going to be educated.
So because the statists have presented the welfare state as anyone who doesn't agree with the welfare state is evil, they think They cannot get their heads around the fact that actually the NHS and the welfare state is in itself quite evil because it's preventing people having the best possible health care they could have.
You know, without meaning to get into a particular argument about the NHS, but people have confused being left-wing and being, you know, there's a big difference between the authoritarian left, which is like even more scary than the authoritarian right probably, and the libertarian left.
And if you actually quiz them and ask them specific questions, but they just can't get their head around the fact that you can still be left wing and be in favour of a smaller state.
Do you see what I mean?
Yeah, sure.
The old thing of it's more like authoritarianism.
And so you do get this left-wing thing.
Most comedians are good fun and most comedians are left-wing.
And artists, they go into beaten-up old rough areas and they start doing them up.
But actually, in doing them up and making those areas groovy and turning Dalston into a hipster paradise and Hackney and so on, they're actually all being little Thatcherite entrepreneurial small businesses.
So their behaviour is quite entrepreneurial, right?
Even though they think they're of the left.
I get all that.
And I get your argument against Switzerland.
But I think you're being slightly...
Is naive the word I'm looking for?
You're talking about the world that existed before coronavirus and before it all went to pop.
I mean, the world has completely changed.
This discussion would have been fine and almost relevant last year.
But it's not anymore.
I mean, look, the barbarians are through the gates.
So we have to start thinking seriously about where to go.
Wouldn't it be wonderful?
Like, the UK is so divided.
And wouldn't it be wonderful if, like, every person that thought this just went to one half of the UK, and every person that thought that go to the other half?
And whether we split it east, west, north or south, you know, however it gets split, everyone, so that people can think, and everyone can just move, vote with their feet.
And then we can just divide the UK up.
You know, I've long been a champion of returning to the old Anglo-Saxon heptarchy and Cornwall wasn't even part of the heptarchy.
It was a nation, it was an independent thing in itself.
And I'd love just for Cornwall to break away and for me to be the first president of the independent state of Curnow.
And you can come to Cornwall, it's beautiful.
We're going to revamp Newquay Airport and Newquay Airport is going to replace Heathrow and Zurich and Geneva as the main hub Between the Americas and Asia.
You know, the world is going to start.
Newquay Airport is going to be the next thing in my independent nation.
If you think of where Newquay is on the map, all we've got to do is separate from the UK and elect me.
Two small things.
Yeah, accept me.
I don't think Cornwall exactly covered itself in glory during this lockdown.
All this kind of hatred directed towards the second homeowners who bring their revenue.
There's something really nasty about it.
That's a symptom of stupid planning laws.
There's plenty of space in Cornwall.
What there isn't is planning law to build.
And the Cornish are actually really entrepreneurial.
Like, you go down there, everyone is just using whatever they've got to try and make money.
You know, on a per capita basis, Cornwall is the most oppressed part of the UK, more so than bits of Scotland.
You know, it's another area that had a mining industry that's just disappeared.
But it just doesn't have the same lobbying power as the rest.
It was like the last place in England to have a supermarket.
It was like, even like, I remember going to Cornwall, perhaps when I was about 12 or 13, it still didn't have a supermarket outside Truro.
And it's, you know, it's, but as a result, it's sort of stayed, there's a certain purity to it.
I can see, I can sympathise with their issue with second homes, because it is a ghost town outside of summer, you know, all those beautiful resorts and, you know, places like Padstow and Travaux and all that.
But there's also a hardcore entrepreneurial self-reliance there where, you know, somebody's got a bit of land.
What can we build with this bit of land?
I know I'm going to build a golf course, except there's not going to be a golf course.
It's going to be a football golf course.
What a fantastic laugh a football golf course is.
Somebody else builds a go-kart track.
You know, other people are selling their jams, selling their...
Their meat, selling their eggs.
There's so many small businesses there.
And, you know, everyone's being really entrepreneurial.
There's still a cash economy, you know, keep it out of the hands of the state and all that.
So there is still a chance, but we need to liberate the planning laws, which will be one of the first things I do after I sort out the Newquay Airport issue.
Well, you better bloody chop down the wind turbines because I'm not having...
There's loads of loads.
Oh, my God.
They hate them.
They hate them.
They're evil, yeah.
They are a blot on a once-beautiful landscape.
I do not understand how landowners who allow wind turbines to be put on their land and cause...
What's it called, the technical term, where you profit by something that causes massive misery to all your surrounding people?
There's a technical term, isn't there?
Well, left-wing would call that capitalism, but that's not what it is.
It's crony capitalism.
It's because of bloody subsidies.
They do it because of the subsidies.
That's a different thing.
What's it called?
Externalities.
I'm saying that because I don't know what the word is.
Externalities.
Okay, okay.
Oh, I see.
You're an experienced radio person, so you know about that.
Yeah, yeah.
Externalities.
These...
The damage that they...
It's quite wrong.
And...
One of the reasons that I get so angry about the corruption in our society, in our system, which is so rank and has increased recently, is things like that.
The 1% are profiting at the expense of the 99% who have to live with the consequences of these bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco-crucifixes.
And it's really annoying.
And no one's writing about this.
I mean, you know, you read the Telegraph business section and it's all about how, yeah, wind turbines are really great and you should have more of them.
It's extraordinary.
Even a conservative newspaper is promoting this evil shit.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe the West of Wales.
Can we go to the West of Wales?
Anglesey?
Can we just, like, colonise Anglesey?
Beautiful.
Yeah.
I think maybe the North.
Northumberland or somewhere like that.
Yeah.
You know, I think there's places like County Durham and yeah, they're still sound, I think.
I think they're okay.
I don't know.
Well, look, that's for a further episode.
I think we should go because I don't know about you.
I'm going to get in shit for having spent my Sunday afternoon, you know, not gardening like I meant to, but can I just promote something?
Oh, you've got it.
That's the whole bloody point.
I wanted to get you on.
Sorry, mate.
Yeah, let's have a quick section on that.
Tell us about your thing.
So I'm doing the we're making a video of the national anthem of Libertaria and you can watch the national anthem or listen to it on YouTube already.
And the original plans that we had to make this video have been scuppered by Corona.
So what we're trying to do now is do it by a virtual choir.
So we need libertarians around the world.
To just video themselves singing the National Anthem of Libertaria.
The words are on YouTube or you can print them up on my website.
Just film yourself singing it and send it in to me.
Again, if you just go to dominicfrisbee.com slash blog, all the instructions are there.
It looks like it's really complicated.
It will take you 10 minutes and we're going to do this huge virtual choir of libertarians around the world.
You know, Eskimos, Kalahari tribesmen, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, on the beach, in the mountains, you know, just sing this song.
Old, young, fat, thin, white, black, just does not matter.
Just sing the song and send us the video.
And this virtual choir is going to be amazing if we can get enough people, you know, sending us these videos, these videos of themselves singing the song.
If you could get Kalahari Bushman speaking in their special click language.
I'm likely.
I really do.
I just don't think they're going to do it.
I'm torn.
You spelt it out to me yesterday.
I'm torn between can't be arsed because it's like technology.
Apart from anything else, you've got to have another phone in the background playing the The Russian National Anthem, which it's set to, isn't it?
The Libertarian National Anthem is the Russian National Anthem, but with better words.
So to sing at the right speed, you've got to have that thing.
Yeah, you've got to sing along.
Yeah, you've got to video.
It's easier if you get somebody else to video you.
So there's two of you.
And one person videos you singing it, and he plays it on his phone and films you on your phone.
And then you just flip.
That's the easiest way to do it.
To do it in pairs or in groups.
But yeah, you've got to have one device to play the song and another device to film it on.
Right.
It's a bit like fear and greed.
Dom, it is like that sort of fear and greed dichotomy whereby on the one hand, I can't be arsed, but on the other hand, I know I'm going to hate myself if I see lots of little faces all singing your libertarian national anthem and I'm not one of them.
It's really hard.
You'll be rubbing shoulders with the bloke who plays Gimli in The Two Towers, with Ricky Gervais, all these famous libertarians.
I presume Ricky Gervais is a libertarian.
I think he probably is, even if he doesn't realise it.
Is he doing it?
Has he said yes?
I haven't asked him.
Has he said yes?
No, because you know he's going to say no.
He's just not going to do it.
Who's actually the most famous person you know that you could call up now?
And ask to do it.
Yeah.
Probably, of the comedians, I probably, in the world of sports, I could ask David Hay to do it.
Who is he?
You know, the boxer.
He was heavyweight world champion boxer.
Was he?
Yeah.
You could have made that up for all I know.
Okay, right, yeah.
Okay, and...
That's a real, that's not a name drop, that's a mic drop, isn't it?
Yeah, like, like...
Who's the most famous person you know and who I could ask to do it?
You, obviously, in broadcasting.
Who else could I ask?
You must know some famous people.
Yeah, I know some famous people, but I wouldn't ask them to do it.
I suppose I could ask Jimmy Carr or Mickey Flanagan or...
Tim Vine or Lee Mack.
No, I don't know Taylor Swift.
They wouldn't do it.
They wouldn't do it.
I'll tell you who's famous so you could ask.
Kanye West.
He's famous.
Why don't you try him?
That would be brilliant.
That would be brilliant.
Have you got Kanye West and Kim Kardashian?
He's pretty libertarian, Kanye, isn't he?
I kind of get that vibe.
Or is he just contrarian?
Is he just contrarian?
No, no, no.
I think Kanye is one of us.
I tell you, what you should watch is that David Letterman interview with him.
I was very anti-Kanye because of his shit performance at Glastonbury, which I won't bore you with now.
It was really bad.
But when I watched the Letterman interview, I totally swung round.
I think he's good.
I think he's chaotic good.
If you were your Dungeons& Dragons character.
Yeah, yeah.
Good call.
Maybe Chaotic Neutral.
Yeah, possibly.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
What would I be?
You're Lawful Good.
You want to be Chaotic Good, but you're Lawful Good.
Well, doesn't that look like I'm boring?
Isn't something like Tim Montgomery Lawful Good?
No, he's Lawful Neutral.
No, he's an awful wet blanket.
You're a paladin, James.
I did want to be a paladin because you've got magical powers.
Is that right?
God, it's been a while since I've played.
I used to love Dungeons and Dragons.
And if I could...
Ideally, how would I make...
Put your video on the end of this so people hear your latest song or see it.
Oh yeah, I can send it to you and you can just stick it on the end if you want.
But then you might end up having to pay me all the advertising revenue from the song.
Is that how it works?
I think so, I'm not sure.
I don't know how you...
I can tell you, that song's had like 77,000 views and I've put adverts on it and from 77,000 views in a week, which is very good for me, I've earned £152.
Now imagine if I'd sold 77,000 tickets or 77,000 singles or something like that.
You'd earn so much money, but £152 from 77,000.
How can that be right?
Imagine if you'd been paid in Bitcoin.
77,000 Bitcoin.
Yeah!
That would be good, wouldn't it?
Even 77,000 Satoshis would be good.
Yeah.
So, it's always good to ramble with you.
Oh, I know what I must say.
I do feel today was a bit rambly.
It wasn't the most focused one.
No!
Am I apologising?
Never apologise.
Yes, you are!
Do you know what you've just gone and done?
People listened to that podcast and they were really enjoying it and now you've made them question everything.
I thought I'd enjoyed it but actually I've just wasted an hour and 21 minutes.
I am such a twat.
I'm never going to give any money to James Dellingpole's Patreon like I was going to until Frisbee just cocked it up.
So anyway, if anyone's still listening No, I can't.
If anyone's still listening and not feeling bad about themselves, can you remember?
Either give money to my Patreon, please, or to the subscribe star, which I should have up and running very soon, because I know some of you whine.
You know, ah, Patreon.
Do you go to supermarkets?
I bet your supermarket's woke.
I mean, have you ever eaten Ben and Jerry's ice cream?
Ben and Jerry's is far, far worse than anything Patreon's done.
You know, even like WeTransfer's gone woke.
Like, what's WeTransfer, you know, just doing all this stupid, woke imagery?
WeTransfer?
Do you even know what WeTransfer is?
I've heard of it.
Oh, okay.
Is it a file sharing site?
No, it's for sharing large video files.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's the last time I'm going to transfer a large video with them, unless I'm desperate.
That's the problem, isn't it?
You know, we can all make these principled announcements that I'm, from henceforth, I am not going to use weave transfer.
And then, one day, can you just transfer this large file to me in the next half hour?
Yeah.
This is why we're going to lose, Dom.
That is the reason.
That's why we're not going to win.
And there's nothing we can do about it.
Yeah.
I'm going to go off and kill myself now.
All right.
Lovely to talk to you.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
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