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May 8, 2020 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Welcome to the DeliPod with me, James DeliPod.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I'm not this week because it's not the special guest.
It's just the guest.
It's Dick.
It's Dick.
Dick.
Now, I think there's something we ought to stress right at the beginning for the benefit of concerned special friend avatars.
Which is that we are recording this at great distance from one another, are we not?
Well, obviously you're in your home in Northamptonshire and I'm in mine in Worcestershire and I would be thoroughly irresponsible if we did it any other way.
Yeah.
I mean, imagine, imagine if I'd driven here and I'd been kind of licked by your dogs.
I wouldn't like that.
Dodging police patrols on the way?
Dodging police patrols.
Yeah, I think it would be the kind of dangerous activity.
It would be disrespectful.
Do you know what?
Disrespectful to our NHS, Dave.
Yeah, well, I think right now, everything we do, we should think in terms of not letting anyone through the doors of any hospital.
Absolutely.
Because if you don't let people through the doors of hospitals, that A, protects our NHS workers.
Well, do you need a B? Because I think protecting the NHS and the NHS workers is everything, really.
Yeah, but I was going to say, I know you don't need a B, but I was going to say, if you were to have a B, it would be keeping the equipment shiny and unused.
I mean, like ventilators.
You cannot use ventilators.
Well, it would be foolish, wouldn't it?
Well, it would, because imagine if there were a serious pandemic at some stage where you needed ventilators.
You'd need them in good working order, wouldn't you?
So I think, yeah, I think we're doing the right thing here.
And although it is awkward doing it by phone, I think we owe it to our listeners.
Yeah, I think absolutely.
How are we going to do the various, given that I can't see you, I can't see the visual clues?
Well, imagine if I had my little book in front of me with all the notes I've been making, because it's been quite a while, hasn't it?
We've been talking in terms of, well, let's do it, should we do it soon?
And then suddenly you get a whole load of really quite good guests.
Now, do you know who one of my favourites has been?
Was it Donald Trump?
It wasn't the Donald Trump one?
You haven't heard that episode yet?
I haven't heard that one yet.
That's going to be awesome.
Fantastic.
Very close, though.
Lives in the same country.
Oh.
Michael Moore.
I haven't heard that one either.
He's your new best bud, isn't he?
We'll talk about him in a bit.
Talk about him definitely in a bit.
He can always be a yes-no character.
Not that I'm jumping the gun, though.
Don't jump the gun.
There's so many guns to jump here.
So many guns to jump.
No, Carbon Mike.
Dick, I was going to ask you about Carbon Mike.
Because I was worried.
Are you slightly jealous that he is my brother from another mother?
Very jealous, because I don't know how I pictured him.
I'm seeing a very handsome, middle-aged black guy.
Well turned out.
I mean, his voice is just amazing.
I would imagine that he's got a very large penis as well.
And I would imagine that that must make you jealous.
And the fact that he's got an eidetic memory.
I mean, you know, like, not just on Spooks.
Not Spooks, Suits, I mean.
Right.
I haven't seen Suits.
Have you never seen Suits?
No.
Okay, well, you don't need to know anything about it, especially not now.
Meghan Markle was on it once.
But all you need to know is that the hero has an eidetic memory.
And that's remembering everything you've ever seen.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine how dangerous we would be with eidetic memories?
It's certainly something you never need to worry about having because you can't remember what you did yesterday, can you?
It's true, and I'm slightly concerned about this.
I mean, if I'm like this now, what about when true senility sets in?
You know, I think you'll probably just cruise on and be the same right into old age, and you'll have a better excuse for it when you're older.
I don't think it necessarily needs to get worse.
Okay, that's good.
That's good.
Let's pin our hopes on that anyway.
No, I love Carbon Mike and I am so looking forward to when we get to have our actual meeting in Brooklyn and he's going to cook me some food and...
It's going to be great.
I think one of the things that excites me about carbon mite, I think it's another reason why you might be jealous.
I think it's basically shown that underneath my skin I am actually black.
I am actually trans black.
Or no, real black.
I'm actually genuinely black.
I think because, no, there have been clues on the way.
Like, I've always liked, well, pretty much always, Dr.
Dre.
You know, some of those albums I like.
I like weed.
Not that I'm saying that all black people like weed, but...
Or indeed have big penises.
No, no, no.
That's true.
What other aspects of black culture am I very much part of?
Maybe you can suggest that.
Well, our mother likes sunbathing.
Our mother...
We've seen photographs of our mother.
Where she's a dead ringer for Shirley Bassey.
Except darker.
So I think possibly, you know, going back, we may have some rhythm.
Yeah.
Some rhythm in us somewhere.
Well, the rhythm hasn't really made itself much in evidence for you and I on past performances in nightclubs, etc.
Yeah, but you know what?
I think it could be like...
You've seen those superheroes series...
How the superhero skill suddenly reveals itself in a moment of crisis.
And you think that might be the ability to dance?
Well, there could be some kind of moment where...
Okay, imagine if we're rounded up by the COVID Nazi police and they're about to...
Smash our faces in with their batons, with their truncheons for...
Having a picnic.
Having a picnic.
On a park bench.
And they say, eyeing up little girls with sad intent, bad intent.
Yes, they might say to her, I mean, in this imaginary scenario, but it's possible.
Because you don't know what the warped mentality of the police is now.
They might say something like...
Okay, I'm going to beat your face in unless you can do the scene from Flashdance.
And suddenly your dancing skills emerge.
Yeah.
Superhero-like.
It would be one of the worst superhero skills I can think of.
I don't know.
Have you seen Jumanji?
Not the awful one with Robin Williams, but the new ones?
No.
There is a treat in store for you.
Really?
Yeah, absolutely.
Is it a TV series?
You know how shit the Robin Williams Jumanji was?
Well, so bad that I didn't actually see it.
Exactly.
Well, I mean, that rule applies to every single Robin Williams movie apart from...
Wasn't there one Robin Williams movie which wasn't shit?
Certainly not jumping out at me.
I think there might have been, but I can't think of it either.
And I think it's unlikely.
Anyway, as that film, as the oeuvre of Robin Williams is bad, so the Jumanji series with The Rock and...
No, Chris Rock.
Right.
And Chris Rock.
And who's the big, you know, muscular...
I think he is The Rock, isn't he?
The Rock, as in a WWF character.
Yeah, I think there's The Rock, and there's Chris Rock, and there's Jack Black.
Right.
It's really funny.
Okay, right.
Well, I'll stick it down there.
Yeah, they are really funny.
I've seen both of them.
Anyway, sorry.
I think we had a digression from our digression from our digression there, which is kind of standard behavior for our particular brand of podcast.
Yeah, some bastards are probably going to...
Not many.
Some bastards are going to be thinking, they're so self-indulgent, I don't really like them.
I don't like the Dick and James ones.
You know what?
I don't listen to them.
No one listens to themselves.
No, but I can't listen to my own voice.
I mean, it's true of most people, really.
No one likes to hear their voice played back at them.
No.
I never listen to my shows because I've said it.
Yeah.
Well, this is the same with me.
All I would be doing was wincing and going...
Oh my God, I can't believe I said that.
Now, you did a podcast recently with the excellent Hector Drummond.
Yes.
Now, Hector, I first met when he approached us at the Third Wednesday Libertarian Drinks, which have been a massive success.
And I've got a whole new second family from that.
And as you know, we've got a fantastic WhatsApp group that has remained active right the way through this lockdown.
Hector is a core member of that team, despite not being a West Midlands-based individual.
He was fretting about the podcast with you about, damn, I didn't say the things I wanted to say.
I had such and such a fact up my sleeve.
I never got round to saying it.
And I think the whole thing with the podcast is kind of relaxing a little bit and just letting it flow and accepting the fact that you are not going to say half the things you had planned on saying.
Yeah.
And not beating yourself up about it.
But it's taken me a long time to get to that.
That's right.
I remember you in the early days, and I'm sure people went back to your early podcasts, and they'd just think, Dick is so stiff.
They'd say, I've never seen such...
They would say.
They would say that.
And now you're just like, you're like one of the Rat Pack.
Just crooning away, just like slinking away through your routines.
Yeah.
Well, I think you've got to think in terms of, no one's listening to this, so it doesn't really matter.
That's true, but they're not.
It's just two brothers having a conversation, so, yeah.
Down the phone line.
Down the phone line, obviously, because anything else would be thoroughly irresponsible.
But what about the bloody police?
This is one thing I did jot down as something I wanted to talk about.
It wouldn't have been so bad if they had been serious and authoritarian beforehand.
But they seem to spend all their time doing dance videos, painting their fingernails blue, dressing up in B costumes, rainbow flags on their cars.
When they get sent to arrest Extinction Rebellion, they end up exchanging skateboarding tips.
The thing in Cambridge where they were digging up the greens and said, oh, yeah, you carry on, guys.
It's your right to protest, guys.
And yet, when they finally do become authoritarian, It's to stop people sitting on park benches and having picnics and walking too close to each other.
Or walking...
Dick, walking on moors.
I mean...
I have to say, I think you're being slightly excessive in criticism of the police, because actually, imagine what kind of selfish person would go for a walk on an open moorland.
Well, you know what could happen?
They could trip up, hurt their ankle, and then where would we be?
They'd be putting undue pressure on our NHS. And that would be awful.
That would be terrible.
No, you're right.
We've seen...
We've seen something in our country which we never imagined we would see.
We've seen the police turning into, I'm not going to call them Nazis, but they are a bit like maybe, have you ever seen Lacombe Lucien, the Mélisse, who were the kind of collaborators who worked with the Nazis?
Right.
No, actually, they're more like the Stasi, aren't they?
I suppose, the police we've got at the moment.
But the populace have become nasty, disapproving, bed-wetting snitches.
Sort of combination of bullying and cowardice and poking their nose into other people's business and...
It does beg a belief that the excuses people have for being concerned about other people's behaviour, they'll always put it down to, yes, of course you can do what you want, but can't you see that you'd be putting pressure on the NHS? It all comes back to the NHS. Sorry,
our NHS. And that is the excuse they give for giving a damn about whether or not you go out jogging a second time in the day or it's...
Oh, I meant to ask you.
You actually live in a street unlike me.
Have you had people on the street clapping?
I hear it every Thursday at about eight o'clock.
Last Thursday, I was on the loo at the time and I heard this noise coming from outside.
I realized it was clapping and banging of pans.
There's a neighbor two doors up who sets up a little amplifier and he plays songs, including Somewhere Over the Rainbow.
I hear my neighbors clapping.
I thought this was satire, but you actually mean this to me.
I so wish it was satire.
I won't do it.
I haven't done it.
It's thoroughly un-British.
And it's just...
For me, it reeks of North Korea.
It's just hideous.
And people say, oh, no, we don't judge those who don't do it.
But of course you do.
And also, you'll be judged for, you know, oh, you were doing it last time, but you're not doing it this time.
What's happened?
What's changed?
It's like that thing...
I think somebody said it was from the Gulag Archipelago, from Solzhenitsyn, describing these events where Stalin is president and everyone claps, claps comrade Stalin.
And it goes on and on and on and no one dares be the first one to stop.
We grew up imagining, this was our great national pride, wasn't it, that Nice and early.
Nice and early.
And in a way, we'd acquired herd immunity to that kind of extremism that is routine in other countries.
The Russians do it.
Okay, the Americans don't, but pretty much anyone in Southern Mediterranean does it.
Anyone in South America does it.
We were the exception.
And yet here we are in 2020, and it happens so quickly.
We've become this...
I don't recognize my own country, and I don't know where...
Where are we going to move to, Dick?
Well...
Much as it would pain me to up sticks and leave my beloved country it's almost come to the point where your beloved country doesn't exist anymore and you really do have to find an alternative but in America which is obviously one of the top choices you'd have to carefully choose your state wouldn't you?
Well, what about the state with the, is it South Dakota?
With the female, with the female governor?
Tell me.
Who's reasonably fit, I think.
Not that that's at all relevant to this.
not a deal breaker but she she was praised by local businesses for having the laxist of all the states she was the one that that had the laxist regulations saying you know we're not going to discriminate between so-called essential businesses and non-essential businesses You know, you can use your common sense.
And they had a rally in her honour, one of the local businesses which had benefited from her.
Because, like a lot of Sort of non-stupid left coast, right coast US states, you know, the kind of wanky ones like California and New York.
The extremes.
Yeah, the extremes.
A lot of rural American states really haven't had much experience of coronavirus.
They might have had meatpacking plants where they've had a disproportionate number of But even then, you know, what's the big deal?
So your entire workforce gets flu for a fortnight and then they're back at work.
I don't get it.
That's going to trigger so many people.
Well, it's the whole comparing it to flu thing.
Some people just get so over the top about it.
Well, it's not as bad as flu, is it?
Well...
Unless you're unlucky.
Did you read the fantastic piece in The Spectator by Dr John Lee?
Well, I get all my spectators from our father who passes them on to me.
So I'm reading them sometimes up to three months later.
So it'll probably pass through my...
Also, now I'm only in once a fortnight.
You shouldn't buy it every week, obviously.
I've never bought it anyway.
But no, I'm saying it's not a great publication.
But when I can get it free...
It sits around.
I just don't get a daily paper at all.
It's quite expensive.
Much better off subscribing to my Patreon, which is much better value.
That's a good little segue.
I like that.
I may come back to that.
Right.
But yes, there was a piece by Dr.
John Lee, who's written several sound pieces in The Spectator, but one of the ones he came up with was this.
That, as you know, coronavirus is mutating into thousands of different, well, hundreds of different forms.
That's how these viruses work.
They mutate all the time.
And unfortunately what we're doing By having the lockdown, by keeping people at home, is meaning the only form of coronavirus that people are exposed to is the most extreme one, the one that's in the hospitals, the one that causes people to be seriously ill, whereas the communal garden harmless one that gives you the immunity without...
Driving you to the brink of dying is the one that's being honed in our NHS. Right.
Well, this whole idea that you...
It was our friend Fenbeagle on Twitter who made the analogy of...
If you're a caveman and there's a beast prowling around and you get around it by rolling a stone in front of your cave and locking yourself up, at some point you're going to have to leave that cave, but the beast will still be there.
And we look at New Zealand, and that's pretty much what they've done.
They locked down before...
There was any amount of herd immunity from anything, barely a single case.
What's going to happen when the first tourist rocks up with it?
It's, you know, all the left are praising their saintly, what's she called, Jacinda?
Jacinda Ardern.
I mean, they can't get enough of her.
She is a deity for the left.
It's so sad about New Zealand, isn't it?
Because Kiwis.
Kiwis are great.
They're sound.
And so imagine being...
Well, it's the same thing happened to Australia, didn't it?
They got completely cucked.
They did.
They did.
And Canada, of course.
Of course.
You think about the Canucks, how well they fought in the war.
We gave them some of the dirtiest jobs, exactly.
Vimy Ridge, yeah, exactly.
They're brave...
Outdoor.
Outdoorsy people were.
And we know there's still a heck of a lot of them out there who are on site in Australia, New Zealand.
Ram Space.
Let's have a word for it.
We love Ram Space.
Wonderful Ram Space.
Ram Space, as we know, people who don't know this, Ram Space lives in the woods, in the backwoods of Canada.
He has a beard.
Which almost certainly means that when you approach his hidden ranch stroke bunker, there are like these things.
There's going to be tripwires.
There's going to be possibly punji steak pits.
Do you think there might be speakers in the trees to sort of disorient you before you...
It's going to have a PSYOPs type.
Yeah, PSYOPs.
Almost certainly.
So don't mess with RAM space.
But he is, you know, quietly working for Team Dellingpole.
He's brilliant.
I love him so much.
And so, Richard, thank you.
Not you, Richard.
No, no, I know he shares.
And Jason, of course.
We love Jason as well.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Now, do you want to do a yes-no game?
Yeah.
It's a yes-no answer.
Because I can't read the visual cues that you're giving me.
Yeah, of course.
Sorry, I can't.
Because it's really hard.
It's easy to forget we're on the phone because it is flowing so freely.
Yeah, it is.
I'm going to say yes.
You know, I started preparing my yes-no back in January and I'm looking at my notes because this is how long it's been since we did a podcast and I... Back in January, we had no idea this was coming.
It was a different world.
And our worries and fears were people like, I've got Graham Linehan down, you know, as a sort of, like he matters anymore.
So many people don't matter, actually.
And that's been a good thing.
I mean, Femi.
Who's Femi now?
I mean, they're all...
Greta Thunberg.
They're all trying to find...
Their place in the new world order.
Yeah.
And they're suddenly finding they don't matter anymore.
Caroline Lucas, she's a Green MP, she used to be a thing.
And you see her Twitter feed, and it's just like...
Who cares?
You're just wittering on about green stuff.
She did have, she was going to make the list because she, early on in the crisis, she put forward the proposition that golf courses should open so that ramblers can walk across them.
Now, on the face of it, it was like, oh yes, I think our green spaces should be open so people can get out there and take their exercise at a distance.
Really, it was just a sort of a class war thing, wasn't it?
Oh, let's get the oiks to trample all over the middle class golf courses.
So that was her attempt at becoming relevant in the crisis.
She's a nasty piece of work.
Yes, before we play the yes-no game, can I have a biscuit?
Not obviously a biscuit from you because you're not here.
You better go and grab yourself one then from your biscuit collection.
From my kitchen.
Yes, okay.
I'll just put it on pause a second.
I expect you're wondering what kind of biscuit I had then.
What did you find?
It was, unlike me, it was a Viennese fancy.
Oh, nice.
Gosh, you make me want one myself.
I know, if only there was one sateen.
Is this you doing your usual light-headed, need-sugar type, hyperglycemic thing?
Actually, you know, Dick, my health has slightly gone to shit.
I was, about two weeks ago, As you know, we Delling Poles, we running Delling Poles joined this Strava group where we were competing with one another.
For those of you who don't know, our special listener might not know, but Strava is a free app.
We're not being paid by Strava, but one of the more competitive members of the family suggests we all got onto it.
Yeah, Evil Dellingpole, basically.
Evil Dellingpole suggested that if we all got onto it, we can log the runs that it turns out we're all doing.
Now, I'm running round Worcester Racecourse every morning, doing, much to your derision, five kilometres every morning.
Well, no, the thing is, how are you now?
You're doing 5k every morning?
Every morning.
You bastard.
And obviously, if you do the same course every day, you're shaving seconds off.
Is that three and a half miles?
Yeah, thereabouts.
But it's essentially a parkrun.
Yeah, of course it is.
Parkrun's 5k, and I'm running almost up my local parkrun course because it's from my back door.
But I've been getting so bored of the course.
But with Strava, it gives you a map of where you've been, it tells you how long you've been running, and it can pit you against anyone else who you're linked up with.
So for our family group, we've got the Dellingpole family running group.
You can outdo each other for how many miles you've done each week or how fast you've been, what's your best time.
But you being competitive, it's played against you, isn't it?
Yeah, well, it's because I'm old and because actually I'm not as well as I kind of thought I was.
So...
My treatment that I've been having for the Lyme disease is a thing called Perrin technique, which is really good.
And I'd come on so well.
Three weeks ago, I was feeling the best I felt.
I thought you were there.
I thought, well, that's it.
You're over it.
I was fantastic.
And I was running 25 miles a week over uneven terrain, which is how I prefer it, how we trained at school.
And I was fantastic.
And then I crashed.
And ever since, I've been, like, really bad shit's been going on in my head.
Like, I've been having sort of horrible noises, like what seems to me like low-frequency noise and stuff.
And I've been disturbed and not sleeping well.
And...
I'm on edge all the time, like my cortisol's been sort of going through the roof and stuff, and I'm hoping that this passes, because if not, I don't know what I'll do.
I mean, anyway, yeah, it's been horrible.
Well, because I managed to avoid the temptation of trying to outdo the fitter members of the family, and I've stuck to doing my 5k every morning.
It's over in, what's it, 25 minutes, leave at 7 a.m., around the race course and back.
And I kind of dread doing it, but it absolutely has kept me on an even keel through these ghastly times.
And I think everyone should be out there trying to get half an hour's exercise a day.
It absolutely saves your sanity.
Given also that if you're overweight, it massively increases your chances of dying of chronic disease.
Well, they're saying something like 85% is one figure I've heard of those who have died of it, have been obese.
Yeah.
No disrespect intended to our chunkier listeners.
Our chunkier listeners, no, no.
You know it's not great.
It's not great for your health, and it's not easy to shake it off.
No.
But I'm lucky enough not to have to, but...
Yeah, it's not fun out there sweating your arse off every morning, but you do not feel good at the end of it.
So basically, evil brother, competitive brother, Voldemort Dellingpole.
Voldemort Sauron.
Actually, he's really Sauron Dellingpole, isn't he?
Well, with his all-seeing eye that he has.
He's Sauron Dellingpole.
In a good way.
I mean, it's actually really good having Sauron in the family.
Well, it's better than having Frodo on your side, isn't it?
I mean, really?
Who would you choose?
Yeah.
Or Gollum.
Imagine having Gollum.
That would be shit, wouldn't it?
Yeah.
But I was watching, just briefly before we go back to whatever we're going to talk about, I know we hate digressions, but I was just watching Fellowship of the Ring again last night.
And that scene where those stupid bloody hobbits are frying their breakfast in that, you know, in that place where the Dark Riders are looking for them.
Yeah, yeah, and they're sending up smoke.
It's just so stupid.
All for their second breakfast.
You kind of...
Greedy little sod.
You kind of want...
If I'd written that book, I would have killed Merry and...
Well, there's enough of them to kill off, isn't there?
I mean, why do you put in spare hobbits?
You put them in so you can have them killed in horrible ways.
Somebody made a good point to me about that film, which up until that point, I had thought that it was just perfect in every way.
But actually they made the point.
The kind of Irish twiddly pipe, the Irish element, the Irishry that creeps in, it's not Tolkien's vision.
Tolkien did not imagine illon pipes, whatever they are, or twiddly pipes that come in.
You know, that's that general sort of Irish accent stuff that comes in among some of the hobbits.
It's not meant to be.
I shall have to re-watch with that in mind.
No disrespect to the Irish, because I've got some really nice Irish supporters on my, you know, I get nice messages from Ireland.
Well, it's another case of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
It's sort of, you know, it's not their fault that they've got such a terrible government at the moment.
It does remind us that this is a global problem.
Where do we go apart from maybe Costa Rica?
Somebody said Chile.
Yeah.
Well, Chile, but I don't speak Spanish.
And also, Chile's really long.
It didn't put the Nazis off, did it?
No Paraguay, they went to do.
Well, I think they went to a lot of South American countries, but, you know, I think Chile had its fair share, didn't it?
Didn't the Chilean army end up pretty much in German uniforms post-war?
Aren't they the ones that are wearing Stahlhelms?
Possibly, in the same way that the Spanish seemed to end up flying Messerschmitts, didn't they?
That was probably because of the Spanish Civil War, wasn't it?
Possibly, but I think a lot of the Messerschmitts went to Spain but had different engines put in.
It's very hard to get an ME109 now with the original engine in it.
Have you been trying?
Yeah.
It's like getting PPE at this stage, Dick.
You can't get them for love nor money.
Well, there was a segue you missed just then, which I was thinking, and I'm trying to think back to it.
Evil Dellingpole.
Sauron Dellingpole.
Sauron Dellingpole.
He was the one who has been trying to get you to monetize yourself, basically.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's the one who pushed you towards sorting out Patreon.
Yeah.
Or Patreon, I'm not sure.
Patreon.
Patreon, yeah.
No.
And some special friends have been saying, well, bloody Patreon, I'm not going to give Patreon because of Sargon of Akkad and Milo and they, you know, if you're on the right, they defund you.
I'm hoping, praying, actually, that because they blotted their copybook, they don't want to risk that sort of thing happening again.
I'm hoping that they're not going to turn evil on me.
Who blotted?
Patreon?
Patreon, yeah, yeah.
Not Milo& Co.
Yeah.
Some people say, go to Subscribestar, but for some, probably my fault, but Subscribestar seem to unsubscribe me, and it's quite a pain having to maintain a Subscribestar and a Patreon account.
And there are other models.
I mean, Saganamaka now does his thing on Patreon.
But the problem is, I'm not really...
I don't have the skills...
I know this is news to you.
I don't really have the skills to create a Telegram thing where I have a tier structure.
The good thing about Patreon is it does a lot of the work for you.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you know who's been giving you good advice as well, not just Sauron, brother, but the inestimable Sudan of Sea.
Sudan of Sea.
Who has been giving you very good marketing advice.
He's very good.
Some of which you listen to, a fraction of which you've actually put into place, but it is all about...
Having a section on your podcast where you say, we can't do this without your funding.
I hate doing that, but you have to.
But I think, why didn't you just do a pre-recorded bit?
Because then it wouldn't be fresh then, would it?
Well, listener, take this as that bit.
We've squeezed it into the show.
Yes, do please.
Actually, the patron is good.
It's got to be where I'm heading.
I mean, I've instituted this new thing recently where – and this was the Fawn's idea.
Having lost my spectator column, my me column anyway, obviously I don't like to talk about it very much, hardly – But I know that there's people out there who really miss that column, and I want to carry on doing it.
So what I'm doing is not my spectator column once a week.
If you subscribe to my Patreon, you get my not my spectator column.
And I've decided not to release it anywhere other than behind the paywall.
Well, that makes sense.
I mean, people will just wait for it otherwise.
Yeah, well, exactly.
Yeah, I know.
So I do that.
And actually, I'm getting quite good at writing free stuff.
Remember, I say free.
Obviously, you pay for it on Patreon.
But I did a column this morning, for example, just on my irritation with the papers.
I mean, the danger about Patreon is that...
I had an email the other day from somebody saying, I would like you to swear less on your podcast because I find the swearing upsetting.
And also, I get irritated sometimes by your mistakes, like when you said you were going to interview Julia Hartley Brewer, and then you lost the tape, or it didn't work.
You got technology wrong.
And he said, if you can sort this out, I'll support you more.
And so I checked his name against my subscribers.
And what did I find?
I find that this person wasn't supporting me at all.
And I just thought, that's just really taking the piss.
Either support me or don't support me.
You can get my stuff free anyway.
But don't try and pretend that you support me and then use that as kind of emotional blackmail to get more of what you think you want.
I had the same sort of thing happening with my, you know, I sell my paintings, my prints.
Someone actually took the trouble to write to me saying, look, I would buy a set of your cigarette cards, but you've described some of the British soldiers as English.
And as a Scot, I'm offended by this, and I couldn't possibly do it.
But if you could see your way to addressing this problem, it's like, oh.
Yeah.
It's like, well, you know, okay, to a point, it made sense, but I'm not going to be dictated to like that.
No.
And actually, one of the things about, hello, Delling Poles, you don't tell Delling Poles what to do.
Because chances are they'll do exactly the opposite, even if it causes them damage.
And if you think Dick and I are bad, you should see Sauron Delling Poles.
Saron Dellingpole...
Utterly uncompromising.
Ruthless.
Saron Dellingpole...
I would never, ever, ever like to be a person who crosses Saron Dellingpole because he will get medieval on you.
It will be like the gimp suit scene in Pulp Fiction.
He really does get medieval on your arse.
There was one other...
Again, the business about Patreon, on the one hand, one does feel slightly awkward asking people for money.
At the same time, like...
I go to nice shops sometimes to buy myself, like, maybe a nice Italian shirt.
Well, I don't, actually.
I've never bought a nice Italian shirt, but it's the sort of thing I might buy.
Not everything has to come from Marks and Spencers or whatever, you know, chain stores.
Sometimes people pay a bit extra for kind of bespoke or niche.
And we are kind of that bespoke niche thing.
So one shouldn't feel bad about asking for money from people for giving them a niche thing that they want.
But I didn't want to, luckily, before I, my instinct was to just plunge in and say, right, from now on I'm putting everything behind a paywall and I'm going to get very rich this way because obviously you won't be able to live without me.
Actually, that would have been completely the wrong route, because I know there were some people out there who've got no money, and that's fine.
You know, I'm going to carry on.
They'll get their free stuff.
They'll get their podcast three days late, or I may even extend it so they get it five days late.
I don't know, but...
I don't want to alienate people who like my stuff and can't afford to pay for it.
But I do want people who can afford it.
So that's why I've got this kid.
To have a route to be able to do it.
This is what I've learned from, well, from our name checking, Simon, in our libertarian group.
You've mentioned Simon.
People will be able to dox him now, Dick.
Simon.
They'll look up.
They'll go through the directory and see Simon.
They'll look for Simon.
He mentioned to me that he has wanted to support you for a long time and has been looking for a way to do so because he sees you as operating a service that is absolutely essential, putting a voice out there for the things you believe in, which happen to be the things he believes in, putting a voice out there for the things you believe in, which happen to be the things he So he wants to make sure you are still out there doing that.
And that's the way a lot of these people see it.
And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, I think I know he's not in mainstream media.
I know the mainstream media won't have him because he's too dangerous, but I want to support him.
Isn't that ridiculous, Dick?
The idea that I'm dangerous.
I'm so reasonable.
I'm completely, just like, if you went through my views, none of them are extreme.
None of them is extreme.
It's just, and I believe in small government.
I believe in, you know...
Low taxes.
Yeah, low taxes and stuff.
Yes, I was thinking there actually.
Special listening friends who've seen the new series of Fowder, I think, will be very struck, and will have been struck in previous series, by how very much like the character of Doron I am.
Doron, who is the hero of Fowder.
He's Israeli special forces.
But in the beginning, I'm not going to give a spoiler, but the beginning of season three...
Which I haven't seen yet.
No, no, but it's not going to ruin it for you.
Duran is working behind the lines in Palestinian territory as a boxing coach.
He's working undercover.
And obviously, I mean, any second his cover could be blown by a Hamas killer and he could be killed just like that.
And that's kind of, that's me.
You do identify very strongly with Duran, don't you?
But I think the similarities possibly end in your identification with him.
But that does remind me how very much I want to go to Israel.
Yeah, I do think that Dick and James in Israel, once we're allowed out of our houses and we can meet face to face again.
Yes.
Wouldn't that be nice?
What do you look like, Dick?
Well, you know what?
I've grown a COVID beard.
Have you?
Yes, like a lot of my friends have.
Just a quick digression here.
We did a lot of people are doing a zoom quiz with my other half of my family, my wife's, my in-laws.
And every male had a COVID beard, you know, who doesn't normally have one.
And they're all grey and salt and pepper-ish.
I haven't got a COVID beard, have you?
I'm not sure that you could grow one, though.
Oh.
Would it be any good, yours?
Yeah, well...
Because you know our father's grown one as well.
I'd never get away with it.
No?
The form would not allow me.
No.
I just get...
I get so much shit anyway at home from the two women.
Yeah.
I mean, thank God I've got boy there as well to kind of balance out the sexes a bit.
But he takes a backseat off and he goes...
You know, it's easier if you hide rather than go in and confront, you know, as a male double act against the women.
That's the thing.
In fact, when you see your other male being got at by the women, you think...
Well, at least he's taking the flat for a change.
Don't rush in to help him too quickly.
No, no, that's the problem.
It's just...
Now, anyway, yes, Israel.
One of the reasons I like Fowler, because basically, season...
Season three is starting to look very much like season one and two, a bit.
There's just variants on the same plot.
Nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with that.
No, but what I like about it is the kind of detail it gives you about life in Israel and life in the Gaza Strip and so on.
It's just...
There's something...
Not that I want to go and live in the Gaza Strip, but there's something seductive about that kind of...
What struck me about it is it is actually quite difficult to tell an Arab from an Israeli.
They've got...
You can't tell by looking, can you?
Well, they're people of the book.
Yeah.
And I suppose, yeah, absolutely.
But I just can't imagine what...
What sort of life is like in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem?
I mean, I imagine that the clubs and the eating and stuff is really good.
I think we just go in between going into those range where you try not to shoot the mother with her handbag, you know, pops up from behind the wall and you do shoot the baddie.
I'm going to kill so many mothers with handbags, but...
I mean, the only thing I would have come close to experiencing is my time in Belfast, because as you know, I did my fine art MA in 1991 at University of Ulster.
So I lived in Belfast for a year.
You came out to see me there.
But it was a kind of a lifestyle where, because there's been so much mayhem all around, there's a slight tendency to live each day like it might be your last.
And so there's very much a joie de vivre about the place in the pubs and clubs.
And, you know, they set about, certainly back then, set about their drinking with a vigour that was quite life-enhancing.
So maybe it's a bit like that.
When you're surrounded by death and horror, you party twice as hard.
But they are surrounded by death and horror.
I think probably they have fairly normal lives, don't they?
Well, they did in Belfast.
But, you know, they had a different attitude towards, you know, that amount of death.
Right.
Oh my god, I almost pulled out the...
God, that would be so annoying if I... A sort of Julia Hartley Brewer type situation where I pulled out the...
Anyway...
Well, we're never going to be able to repeat this solid gold band.
No, no.
Okay, we haven't played the yes-no.
Shall we do a yes-no?
Now, for this yes-no, I have fallen back to a large degree on...
On Sir Dan of Sea's list, if you don't already follow Sir Dan of Sea on Twitter, you're missing a trick.
So follow him and check out his list, which is basically a school report on the great and the good and how they are behaving in the COVID world.
Well, who's having a good war and who's having a bad war.
Exactly.
So, with that in mind, we could hit this list, aided and abetted by the Third Wednesday Libertarian Group.
Let's start.
James Cracknell.
Oh, that's a curveball.
I imagine he's out in the middle of the ocean, isn't he, somewhere?
I think there was something recently that was pointed out that, I think, Mail on Sunday or Daily Mail set him up with a badly photoshopped picture that made him...
Oh, that's right, where it looked like he was sitting close to his dad and he wasn't.
So James Castleclack is a yes.
Yes in that.
Yeah.
Duke of Edinburgh.
Yes.
Malcolm Dellingpole.
Yes!
He's become...
Our dad has become quite a hero.
He's a COVID warrior.
He's taking no shit from anyone.
I'm proud to say that most...
Given that three quarters of the population apparently are happy, they've told surveys, happy for lockdown to go on forever.
Even if they cure coronavirus, they just want to stay at home for the rest of their lives.
On 80% pay.
Yeah, bankrolled.
Paid by the government, of course.
The government has this magic tree.
Do you know about this?
I do.
I have become very aware of this tree lately.
It produces loads of money and it's great.
So, but our father...
Which art in Morven has been going up on the Morven Hills.
Every day.
Every day.
Even though they've closed the car parks.
Wankers.
Absolutely.
Well, that was police-led.
The police told the council to do it, apparently.
But you see, that's the thing.
You get this sort of vicious cycle of authoritarianism, vicious circle of authoritarianism.
Anyway, let's move on.
Darren Grimes.
I did love Darren, yep.
Dan Snow.
I imagine Dan's got to be really shit.
He's been shot on every other issue, so why not this one?
Dan Hannan.
Dan's having a good war.
Dan Hodges.
I think he's all right, isn't he?
You know what?
Dan Hodges is a classic for the yes-no, because he can be yes one day and no the next.
But I think on balance, Dan is a force for good.
Dan out of Alan Partridge.
I didn't know there was a...
Dan!
Dan!
I didn't even know there was a character called Dan.
Just give him a yes.
Oh, yes?
Really?
Okay.
Sir Dan of Sea.
Yes!
I thought there was a Dan thing going on there.
Careful with your microphone.
You're drifting in and out.
I don't want to drift in and out.
Sorry.
Janet Daly.
Yes.
She's been met with approval from the group.
Okay, good.
This is one of mine.
The Serial Cheerios.
Cereal Cheerios.
I've not seen it.
No, it's a food.
Food cereal.
Breakfast cereal.
Right.
They have some sort of monkey thing, don't they?
I don't know.
Do you like them or not?
No.
I've become quite fond of them lately.
Dick, that's the kind of thing that actually makes you more likely to die of coronavirus.
Yeah, I know.
But I'm willing to take that risk.
Piers Morgan.
It's like, you know how you were describing earlier on about how you've got to squeeze the poo things in your dog's anal glands?
Even if you were to take the essence of the smelliest dog's anal gland and put it in a kind of condensing machine that reduced it to its smelliest essence...
You still would not get close to capturing the awfulness of Piers Morgan.
He is just an abomination.
I just hope that...
I... Do you remember...
I'm sure I must have told the story about the...
I keep meaning to tell the story about the Piers Morgan spectator party.
When someone suggested he'd be a good podcaster.
Alex in South Africa.
By the way, I hope he hasn't died or anything.
I haven't seen him on Twitter recently.
Right.
Has he dropped off Twitter or something?
We'll have to check after.
He's a cartoonist.
And he suggested to me that I interview...
Sorry, can you get Piers Morgan on the pod?
And I just thought, well, okay.
We'll do it for Alex.
Yeah, I hate Piers Morgan, but maybe...
Actually, he wouldn't be very good on the podcast, but I'll do it.
So anyway, I was at the spectator party, and I saw Piers Morgan talking to Michelle Dewberry.
And I hovered on the edge of the conversation, and Piers Morgan sort of gave me a look, or rather a not look, as if to say, I'm so important, I'm not going to let you into this conversation.
I know you only have eyes for me, and I'm not going to let you in.
After a while, we had an awkward conversation, and I said, can you come on the podcast?
And he said, no.
No.
I'm not going to do your podcast because people are asking me all the time to be on their podcast.
And I realise I would bring in loads of traffic, so much traffic.
And the thing is, you need me more than I need you.
So no.
I thought that was such a graceless way of turning down a podcast, especially when I didn't want to be on there in the first place.
Mm-hmm.
The analogy I use, and I probably mentioned this before, but it's worth it again.
It's a bit like a mate has bet you to go and see if you can pull this complete fucking minger in a bar.
Sorry, a complete minger in the bar.
And she's the ugliest minger that you've ever, ever seen.
And instead of sort of greeting your offer with gratitude, she turns you down.
And you think...
I've just been humiliated quite unnecessarily because I would never have considered her in the first place and that's how I felt with Morgan.
Anyway.
I would now cross the road to avoid Piers Morgan.
If I find myself in a green room with him, I would never, ever go on any programme where Piers Morgan was.
I think he's an abomination.
I think he's absolutely evil.
Genuinely evil.
Is he a yes or a no?
Yes.
Comedian Lee Hurst.
Yes, he's been doing very well.
Andrew Neill.
This has been one of the casualties.
It's like the scene, I described this actually in one of my articles on Patreon, it's a bit like the scene in the Pacific, in the Guadalcanal episode, where there's a night attack by the Japanese and they're about to be outflanked.
And one of the Marines looks down into the foxhole and sees one of his buddies writhing around and says, have you been hit?
And then it becomes clear the guy hasn't been hit.
He's just kind of having an episode.
He's lost his nerve.
That's rather the way I'm feeling about Andrew at the moment.
He's not having a good war.
He really isn't.
And that has been reflected in his Sudan of Sea report.
Well, rightly so, I'm afraid.
Alex Wickham.
Alex Wickham is approaching Piers Morgan territory, so no.
He's heading inexorably in that direction.
The puzzling thing about Alex Wickham, I really don't understand this, is that he used to work for Guido, and he...
I'd always thought he was conservative-ish.
I think it was a conservative libertarian by convenience, really.
I think there's a generation out there, Dick, that generation, which are much, they're much less, they have lower morals than we do.
Well, if you can jump from Guido to BuzzFeed, then it's...
Do you have any beliefs?
Maybe it's a reflection of the market.
Maybe that's it nowadays.
If you want to get on in journalism, you just haul yourself over.
Yeah, well, where does that leave people with principles?
Yeah.
Nowhere.
Well, no, it does.
It leaves them with a Patreon page, which is worth sponsoring.
Well, this is where you come into it, I suppose.
Not, I suppose.
Yes.
Yes.
My favourite of all at the moment, Laura Perrin's Head girl.
It's not just every day.
It seems like every hour she puts out an absolutely devastating tweet on the state of affairs and what the government's doing.
And she does not give a damn about those who are squealing about it.
No.
In fact, if anything, it makes her more powerful.
She is hardcore, yeah.
Let's go through some more of the girls who are...
Girls?
Yes.
Girls are doing quite well.
Claire Fox.
Obviously, yes.
Alison Pearson.
Wobbly star, now she's...
Solid, solid.
Sarah Vine.
Yes.
She's been brilliant, doesn't she?
Sarah's been...
I think Sarah, in a way, deserves extra, extra points, because being married to Gove, she ought to be in a difficult position.
And her response to that difficult position is, sod that.
I'm going to say exactly what I like.
I'm my own person.
I'm not Michael Gove's wife, and she isn't.
Thank God she isn't, actually.
I mean, because actually...
Gove's performance has not been very impressive.
Nobody in government has impressed me at all, I don't think.
Actually, apart from Lucy Allen.
She was one of the guys who suggested putting her on there, but I hadn't.
Lucy Allen, MP. She's not buying into this kind of general stupidity, whereas Nadine Doris has, possibly partly as a function of the fact that she's a health minister and has to toe the party line.
That's a problem, isn't it?
How much of it is giving up your principles for the party line, which is why you or I could never be a politician?
Well, apparently it's called the payroll vote.
This is how governments operate and why we despise them, of course.
They put lots of MPs, particularly rebellious ones, on the payroll and it gives them kind of minor positions, minor ministries or whatever.
And they're honour bound to...
Well, it's an old army trick, isn't it?
What do you do with the troublemakers?
You promote them.
Like on Sharp.
Yeah.
Charles Ingram...
I saw that TV series.
He's become a thing now.
He's all over Twitter and he's got, you know, he's got opinions, he's got followers.
You don't like him.
He had a go at Emily Hewiston the other day.
And I was saying, well, you know, great, that's good for Emily.
It just makes her look even more credible.
Yeah, no, nasty piece of work.
John Redwood.
And he's a cheat.
John Redwood.
John Redwood is sound, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yes.
Which is probably another reason he'll never be right at the top.
He remains one of those rebels, doesn't he?
There she is, Caroline Lucas.
We're almost talking anal glands again.
Dog's anal glands.
Dog's anal glands.
Have I got news for you?
Yeah, I did.
Actually, one of the last pieces I did for The Spectator was a good takedown of that.
I just think that show should have been killed off about, when did it start?
Well, it was last good under Angus Deaton.
It was.
And even then it was probably kind of on its way out.
A little bit stale.
In the same light, let's have Panorama.
Yeah, no.
The BBC? No.
Sky News?
No.
And by the way, I had an email the other day from somebody from the BBC wanting to make some sort of programme about something or other and would I like to participate?
I didn't even bother to reply, which is a bit rude, but I'm thinking...
Well, no, you said some time ago you're not going to put yourself through that again.
They want you there for one reason, and they're so disingenuous about why they want you on.
It would be like if you had a letter from Goebbels...
Saying, you know, like, we're this party in Germany, and we are, you know, we've got this, we'd like you to, I don't know, appear on, in our newspaper, it's called Der Stürmer.
And, and...
And you think, well, hang on a second, nice uniforms, trains, turning up on time.
And then you think, hang on a second, these are bloody Nazis.
They're evil.
They just...
What was I thinking?
Yeah, what was I thinking in thinking about the uniforms and the trains and not thinking about the big...
But anyway, you'd say no to that and you'd say no to the BBC. They're just as bad, almost.
Well, we're nearly there now.
It's Sky News.
Sky News is horrible.
Channel 4 News.
Horrible.
ITV News.
Are they even the thing?
They're just hanging on to the coattails of the others, aren't they?
And finally, Boris Johnson.
Wither Boris.
He's just been such a disappointment, hasn't he?
You called it really early on the Huawei HS2 questions.
Right when he came through as PM, he said, well, the early canary...
Canaries in the coal mine, yeah.
Canaries in the coal mine indicators will be how he responds to those two issues.
And he failed on both of them.
Both of them.
And I remember a lot of your Twitter followers were going...
Oh, no, you can't judge him on that.
You know, he's going to be great.
He's Boris.
He's fantastic.
And you're being unfair.
You can't expect everything to be delivered on a silver platter.
And you stuck to your guns.
He said, no, these are the two things I laid out really early on.
You failed on both.
Now he's going to be pretty much endorsing the fact that we've become a bloated health service with a small country attached to it, which is, I think, our future now.
Well, that's why I keep thinking of it, even though I love this country.
I just think, what future can it possibly have?
Do you remember, you didn't come to Brexit, the movie, did you?
You didn't come to the premiere.
But you remember the case that we made through Martin Durkin?
I mean, Martin Durkin, I think, is probably the person in the world whose politics most closely align with my own.
And he presented this picture of Britain after Brexit, where we'd be pretty much the Singapore of Europe, without the chewing gum bans and without the ban of weed, but all the good things about Singapore.
We'd have low taxes and low regulation and so on.
And look what we're being offered instead.
It's just...
It's not conservative, is it?
We're enthralled to this personality cult, and the personality cult is this moribund...
I mean, you could almost have this...
2000 AD could have done a very good future shock on this, couldn't it?
Where this planet gets...
Taken over by worship.
The entire economy is diverted to this kind of crap-looking alien creature behind glass, and it would be called the Inichus or something like that.
And it would probably have, like...
Every Thursday, the citizens would have to come out to clap this thing.
If they didn't, they'd all be executed.
And it would be your civil duty to, at some point, become ill, so that you could engage with the organisation that ran the planet.
It's a planet that was just essentially a string of hospitals.
Yeah.
And everyone on the planet would work for that hospital.
And also, people from other planets would come and use the services for free.
And then mysteriously disappear when the bill came due to pay.
Yeah.
And the population of this planet would be in rags.
Yeah.
But happily clapping the wonderful workers.
Yeah.
And I suppose that would be the storyline, wouldn't it?
There would be kind of Dellingpole-like sceptics.
Who would be hunted down and killed.
I don't know.
So, yeah, there's a lovely bleak future.
But that's what it's going to be like.
In the same vein, the Michael Moore thing.
I said we wanted to get back to him.
We should probably...
Let's talk about happy things.
Because he would have been a yes, had you asked me.
And it is extraordinary because I remember, it's a long time ago now, have a guess when Stupid White Men came out, that terrible book that he wrote.
Would it be 20 years ago?
Yeah, it was.
It was 2001.
It was about the same time as No Logo, that awful Naomi Klein shit that...
It was sort of the early days when the world was going to...
Things starting to go wrong.
Yeah.
And I loathed Michael Moore and I'd met him, I interviewed him for his first movie, Roger and Me.
And I found him slippery, cold, evasive, just not particularly nice.
And...
He probably still is those things.
But this new documentary, he's the executive producer of.
What's it called?
The Planet of the Humans.
Now, a few people on our side of the argument are saying, well, I don't like the Malthusian message.
And it comes from a lefty point of view.
I think when you watch it, you have to watch it knowing that it is by the left...
Aimed at the left.
It's a thoroughly of the left thing, which makes it all the more extraordinary.
But you have to see it through the lens of that.
It's not aimed at libertarians.
And those of us who already know the whole thing is a scam and a lie.
You watch it because it's a complete car crash for the left.
It's a section of the left suddenly turning around and realising...
The massive, massive lie they've been living.
And I can't recommend it highly enough.
You've got to skip past some of the mawkish bits of, you know, the orangutan, the distressing scenes they've got with that.
It's got all the emotions thrown at it.
But just imagine the lefty heads exploding as they watch this.
Well, you don't need to imagine it because you've got lots of evidence of people like Josh Fox, who made that terrible anti-fracking movie, Gasland, the one with the With the fake news.
Well, he's got it withdrawn, hasn't he?
He tried to.
Yeah, but I think there was a notional distributor, which I don't think had much to do with the distribution, or at least it certainly hasn't stopped people watching it.
You can watch it free on YouTube.
As I did the other day.
Yeah, it accumulates quite a lot of evidence to show that renewable energy is not clean or green, or indeed it is not against Western industrial civilisation.
It has become Western industrial civilisation.
Well, twice in the film they have a perfect analogy for it, which is a little festival with dancing and singing and what have you, and They announced proudly through the PA that this whole festival is being run on renewable energy and wind power.
Yeah!
So they walk around the back of it and there's a diesel generator and it's pumped into the...
It's hooked up to the grid as well as backup for that.
And the technicians are going, there's no way you could run this on that windmill.
This windmill might just about be powering the cappuccino machine, but...
You're not going to get any more than that out of it.
And then it rains and even the solar then dips out.
And that is essentially the whole story of this.
It looks great, but it's not working.
And this has always been my beef.
This is the thing that really got me...
I read about this for The Australian Spectator.
That the thing that always incensed me and got me to waste things such as a chunk of my life on the whole environmental thing was my outrage and upset, as somebody who really does love nature and loves the outdoors and all that stuff,
seeing the damage that renewable energy, this panacea for our environmental problems allegedly, if you believe the green movement, It's causing so much harm to birds and bats, slicing and dicing them, and to humans who have their views blighted, and to the livestock that has to live by these things.
It's just so wrong.
And I mean, if you had to invent a paradigm of everything that's wrong with the kind of, with the stupidity of left-wing thinking with their cognitive dissonance and stuff, renewable energy would be it.
The thing that can only survive through massive, massive big government subsidy generated by the lies told to the government and by propagandists for the Greens.
Everything about it is just so wrong and so evil.
And that's what makes Moore's movie so effective.
And it had to come from the left.
There's no point in one of our team making that.
Because it would have been shot down before it got any release.
But the more the left complain about this film, the more publicity it will get.
Yeah, it's going to have serious ramifications, this one.
It's really, really quite encouraging.
Let's hope so, Dick.
Any other business?
I think we've covered a lot and more than I thought we would.
And for a telephone conversation, gosh, it's gone on for so long.
Yeah, it has.
And the sound quality, it's almost as though we were in the same room.
I think that's done with the clever editing afterwards.
Yeah, that would be Jason.
Well, well done, Jason.
Okay.
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Oh, God, we're totally doing special...
And, Dick, maybe you can just give a quick message to anyone who's listening to you who hasn't had their special friend badge.
Please be patient.
They're on their way.
We get my boy packaging them up as a little pocket money thing for him, and he's not as fast as I'd like him to be, but we are on it.
Sorry about those delays.
Yeah.
And that's all.
Oh, and Israel, you know, just get yourself ready.
Get ready, Israel.
Get those firing ranges ready.
Get those...
Get the oozes loaded up.
Get the Ottolenghi restaurants and all the other things.
And what else do you want to do in Israel?
Meet the cast of Fowder.
Meet the cast of Fowder.
We do.
Yeah.
Okay, that's all.
Great.
Bye.
Bye.
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