Jim Bakker Show - Forgiveness is a Conscious Act | Kathy DeGraw on The Jim Bakker Show
Aired: 2022-02-10
Duration: 03:12


=== Forgiving From the Heart (03:11) ===

[00:00:00]  Forgiveness, you say, is a conscious decision to make.
[00:00:09]  I have a heart.
[00:00:10]  When I went to prison, God spoke to me I would not be out of prison because I had a 45-year sentence unless I forgave everyone.
[00:00:21]  So I did.
[00:00:22]  I wrote their names down on paper.
[00:00:25]  But then he said, you got to forgive from your heart.
[00:00:30]  That was different because it's one thing to say it.
[00:00:35]  It's another thing to believe it.
[00:00:38]  So I believe right now, this time when there's such hatred and division, political systems fighting each other, that we've got to love our enemies.
[00:00:48]  How are we going to do that, Kathy?
[00:00:50]  We have to.
[00:00:51]  Well, I want to go back to, I knew that hurt and that pain and how I needed forgiveness in my life through a situation that I had been through.
[00:01:02]  And so I didn't know where could I go, who could minister to me to help me forgive.
[00:01:09]  So I went to the only place I knew.
[00:01:11]  I went prostrate to the floor and asked the greatest team of three, Father God, Holy Spirit, and Jesus.
[00:01:18]  I'm like, I don't know what book to read.
[00:01:20]  I don't know what counselor or pastor to go to because I had unforgiveness in my heart.
[00:01:24]  And so I spent two years of my life prostrate on the carpet before the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and said, help me root it out of me.
[00:01:36]  Did you have to have this deliverance before you got into this?
[00:01:40]  You have a healing ministry.
[00:01:42]  Correct.
[00:01:43]  And the power of God doesn't work when you got unforgiveness.
[00:01:47]  It's true.
[00:01:48]  So I had to get that for myself.
[00:01:51]  And I wasn't looking to have a healing and deliverance ministry.
[00:01:54]  I was just looking to heal my own soul, my own wounds, what I knew was holding me back from the fullness of God because I knew I had unforgiveness in my heart.
[00:02:04]  And when we look at Matthew 18, 34 and 35, it talks about the parable of the unforgiving servant.
[00:02:11]  And it says the master forgave the servant's debt, but the servant didn't forgive another's debt.
[00:02:18]  But look at this.
[00:02:20]  This was, and in anger, his master turned him over to the jailers for punishment until he paid back everything he owed.
[00:02:29]  But this is a part of the verse that really gets me.
[00:02:31]  This is how my heavenly Father will treat you unless you forgive your brother from your hearts.
[00:02:38]  And that's what you said, Pastor Jim, from our hearts.
[00:02:42]  So we have to pray for those who hurt us, but we also need to forgive and we have to do it from the heart.
[00:02:51]  And I tell people sometimes we can't do it from our own heart, but the Holy Spirit resides in us.
[00:02:56]  So we co-labor with him and we partner with him and say, Holy Spirit, help me do this.
[00:03:02]  We have, you know, Jesus left us a helper, a comforter, a confidant, a friend, a guide, a counselor.
[00:03:09]  And so we don't have to do it in our own strength.