Jim Bakker Show - You Are Not Worthless - Pastor Debbie Lindell on The Jim Bakker Show
Aired: 2019-05-02
Duration: 02:58


=== Interview Insights (02:26) ===

[00:00:00]  In the opening of the book, you're talking about you and John and the story about an interview.
[00:00:06]  And you were told essentially that you had limited ability.
[00:00:10]  I hate to say this.
[00:00:11]  I didn't want to ask this question.
[00:00:13]  But you started your book with it.
[00:00:15]  That was good.
[00:00:15]  And that is so crazy.
[00:00:18]  I would say I was a strong personality, but I was really, really shy and insecure, even when we got married.
[00:00:26]  And it was about six months into our marriage that we had the interview.
[00:00:31]  We were asked by a pastor to consider going on staff, or John was.
[00:00:38]  And he said, but I'd like to interview you first.
[00:00:40]  And will you meet me at a particular restaurant for the interview?
[00:00:43]  And we're like, sure.
[00:00:45]  And so I was so petrified.
[00:00:48]  And I remember, I think I changed like 10 times.
[00:00:51]  Exactly where.
[00:00:51]  You know, Laura.
[00:00:53]  I know.
[00:00:53]  I know.
[00:00:55]  Because I wanted to do well for him.
[00:00:58]  Exactly.
[00:00:59]  So we sat for an hour.
[00:01:02]  And this is a man of God.
[00:01:04]  So when I tell the story, I want to honor him.
[00:01:07]  Yes.
[00:01:07]  But he had misconceptions.
[00:01:09]  And actually, he just viewed women in a way that wasn't as honoring as it should be.
[00:01:16]  But the interview, he never looked at me one time.
[00:01:20]  He directed all his questions toward John, which I was like, well, that's appropriate.
[00:01:24]  He's hiring him.
[00:01:26]  So he got done with the interview or came to a close.
[00:01:29]  And he said, well, John, he said, you have answered all these questions so masterfully.
[00:01:35]  He said, I am so impressed with you.
[00:01:37]  And I was like, yes, he's an amazing man.
[00:01:41]  You should hire him.
[00:01:41]  That's what I was thinking.
[00:01:42]  That's what you're thinking about.
[00:01:43]  And he said, on a scale of one to ten, he said, I would say you're a 10.
[00:01:49]  And he said, but I just need to be honest with you.
[00:01:52]  He said, I've got to tell you, he said, on a scale of one to 10, I'd rate your wife at a four.
[00:01:58]  And he never looked at me.
[00:02:00]  Oh, that's so crushing for a woman.
[00:02:03]  Here's what I thought.
[00:02:04]  Immediately, I was like, a hand on her leg.
[00:02:07]  Yeah.
[00:02:08]  On her knee.
[00:02:10]  I ran up on her leg.

=== The Lie That Lasts (00:46) ===

[00:02:11]  I was like, oh, I was like, how does he know in just an hour?
[00:02:16]  How could he assess me so accurately?
[00:02:18]  That's what I was thinking.
[00:02:20]  Yeah.
[00:02:20]  Because I really viewed myself in a limited, honestly, unbiblical way.
[00:02:27]  I can't believe you put that in the book, especially as your husband.
[00:02:29]  Oh, I love it.
[00:02:30]  I love it.
[00:02:31]  I'm telling you, it could stay with you the rest of your life.
[00:02:34]  Well, it stayed with me a lot of years, you know, 15.
[00:02:38]  It's a lie, though.
[00:02:40]  But you know what?
[00:02:41]  The enemy uses all sorts of tools.
[00:02:43]  That's right.
[00:02:44]  And the lie is the same to every woman.
[00:02:46]  Actually, every man.
[00:02:47]  Every human being.
[00:02:49]  But here you are.
[00:02:50]  Here she is.
[00:02:50]  The woman was a four.
[00:02:52]  That's a put-down.
[00:02:54]  That is not good.
[00:02:55]  But she is rated a four.